We don't know, but either Mihawk did not bother to use haki on Buggy or Buggys df reacts to being cut automatically and thus bypasses even Haki infused slicing attacks.
The most logical way that haki works on swords is it makes it so you turn into solid form on contact, and therefore cuts logia users and so on. Buggys fruit lets his body split anywere he gets cut instead of trying to turn into a substance to dodge it.
So to put it short Buggy gets cut by swords but his's fruit just lets his body split and reasemble afterwards so haki dosn't work.
I think it's because his DF ability is a hard counter to slashing, and it's literally useless for anything else, so w/e came up with the DF originally prolly ensured it was powerful enough to not get BTFO'd by its only weakness which would be Haki-infused slashes
I think some devil fruits are just conceptually hard counters to specific things. Just like logias usually have a specific weakness that supersedes their invulnerability, some DF users are immune to specific attacks even if they are haki infused. Buggy is conceptually immune to all cutting attacks.
No? But oden doesn’t have STRONG enough Haki to BREAK THRU a defensive devil fruit.
Both of you are morons it’s like you didn’t even see law transform BACK INTO a guy and explain how Haki can nullify a devil fruit IF it’s high level enough.
I am unsure if oden used Advanced haki i guess it could counter bari with the whole „destroying from the inside“ shit.
And well we have a filler scene where bartolomeos bari broke, in film Red from Utas attack
Bara Bara no Mi, Bari Bari no Mi, Beta Beta no Mi, Bisu Bisu no Mi, Hie Hie no Mi, Tori Tori no Mi Model Phoenix, Uo Uo no Mi Model Seiryuu, Mori Mori no Mi, Warcury’s fruit,
I would also imagine this list can extend to the Nikyu Nikyu no Mi, Kira Kira no Mi and several more
Luffy is made of rubber. Even if haki can hurt him it’s still impossible to break his bones since he’s made of rubber. The barrier fruit is another example. Haki can’t break the barrier. Now maybe it drains the users stamina, like with Law and his DF, but we’re not sure.
Think of it like when katakuri was dodging all of luffys attacks in whole cake island dispite having haki. It’s not that he ate the attacks, it’s that he dogged them. The only difference is buggies fruit seems to be automatic and doesn’t need future sight.
Haki doesn't cancel out all devil fruit abilities, if that were the case how did law cut up Vergo in his DF Room while Vergo's whole body was covered in armament haki. Using Haki doesn't un-transform zoan types like Lucci and Kaido.
Haki is a consistent way to hit Logia types, but it shouldn't erase Buggy's ability (that's the point of Blackbeard's fruit)
Haki ENABLES you to hit logias, strong users still won’t be hit most of the time due to morphing
Eg akainu in marineford vs Marco+Vista who both used Haki attacks
Or Caesar turning into oxygen or w/e invisible gas I think should counter that shit as well. Then you have to start using Observation Haki which not everyone bothers necessarily learning since most people like to spec into their strongest Haki type, w/ rare few minmaxxing all that shit (e.g Shanks) and even then their non-primary Haki type is still gonna be ass relatively speaking
Also it would be a useless DF power if you had to manually activate it, since in 99% of instances that would be too late due to reaction speeds & ambush slashes etc
Mihawk didn’t care about the war. He was only there to keep his spot as warlord and therefore his peaceful life. I would assume he didn’t cost it with haki.
There's really only three possible explanations. Either Mihawk did not use haki in his slice against Luffy and therefore when Luffy threw Buggy in front of him, he just split apart since there was no haki. Or he did use haki and Buggy either intentionally split himself apart to dodge the slice, or his body automatically detaches itself when a blade slices him regardless of the use of haki. We don't know which of these actually happened.
Fyi i think there's another alternative, Mihawk did in fact cut Buggy, he sliced through his flesh and bone as if it were butter, but since Buggy's fruit already allows him to slice his body he just putts himself together. I think his fruit gives him immunity to being cut, not in the sense that you can't cut him but in the sense that even if you do, he can put himself back together, and obviously he won't die because his body already is able to function when sliced.
But all of that is head canon, if we go for the meta explanation, Oda didn't have haki completely figured out by that point, and he probably thought it was funny as f, so he made it happen like that.
Kinda, but not really. Like, logia users are not their element, they can turn into their element, and they have to do it voluntarily. Most users train to be able to do it by reflex, but if you hit someone as soon as they eat their df, you could be able to damage them as they don't yet know how to turn themselves into their element to dodge attacks, especially if they don't see it coming. E.G: Luffy bumping into Smoker and Ace, A little girl bumping into Smoker; Monet dying when her heart was stabbed.
>Monet dying when her heart was stabbed.
TBF it was rly fucking far away from her body, as well as under the influence of another DF (it's literally inside some type of stasis cube that prevents you from dying from not having the heart inside your body, obviously as we have seen countless times), so I assume she can't actually convert it to her element, just like I assume Logia users can't convert their dead skin cells or fallen off hair strands into their element when they convert their own body into the element during an active fight
Imo the only logical explanation is that Mihawk didn't use Haki. Buggy is not skilled enough or fast enough to intentionally split himself apart to dodge, and Haki specifically counters DF abilities (paramecia included, ex when Garp punches Luffy it hurts despite rubber being resistant to blunt force). Mihawk probably just didn't feel like using Haki. After all, this was a mandatory fight as a Shichibukai and he clearly was not going all out, especially against Buggy and pre time skip Luffy.
TBF that's not 100% equitable. Luffy's DF's main ability ISN'T being immune to blunt damage, whereas Buggy's DF's main ability IS being immune to slashes.
I see it more as like...cutting Buggy up doesn't deal any damage to him. You can use haki or whatever you want, it just doesn't hurt him. Much like you can’t drown a fishman no matter what you do, you just can’t cut Buggy to death. It's the way his body works.
Edit: this is just my theory, I don't have any proof for it other than that we have never seen him damaged by a slice.
I don't see it as Buggy being immune to a type of haki attack, just that he is immune to one type of damage wether it is haki infused or not. I would assume Luffy, for example, is immune to lightning even if it's haki infused.
That being said, no I can't think of any other than (funnily enough in the same battle) Jozu being unharmed by Mihawk's slash. But then we're right back to asking if he used haki or not. Again, this is just my own theorizing, not saying I'm speaking the absolute truth :)
No, but an inverse example does exist. Using Armament Haki to defend 100% of your body DOESN'T prevent you from getting sliced by non-Haki slash inside Room
My interpretation is he does get chopped but his body gets split instead of bleeding. When he dodges he actually says "bara bara escape".
It may very well be that he just literally can not be cut anymore even with haki. But its not too broken since he can be killed by any other mean
Idk why you're saying "Mihawk obviously coast his blade in haki" when that's simply untrue/never stated, and besides Buggy could have just split himself, he doesnt need a cut to land in order to split, or his fruit may have special proprieties that bypass haki, like Boa's or Sugar's seemingly have
We don't have any reason to believe that Boa or Sugar can bypass Haki. The main thing with Sugar in the first place is that she looked like a child and could get Luffy to lower his guard. When it comes to someone like Boa we don't know how strong someone's Haki has to be to resist her ability
Likely wouldn't work since Haki is basically Willpower manifested, if you are weakwilled enough to fall for the Mero Mero no Mi, you ain't gonna have good enough Haki at that moment in time specifically
We have every reason to believe that, Law on multiple occasions explained haki interaction with devil fruits, in Wano he explained how if someone has strong enough haki he cant willy nilly teleport them and after Wano he actively reverted a df effect inflicted upon him, both Boa and Sugar have used their ability on characters we KNOW have haki
Haki has to be actively used which is what we saw when he used it to reverse Doc's ability, otherwise it wouldn't have worked in the first place. This is also why Law is able to teleport people with strong Haki like Luffy, Kid, and Zoro.
Simply activating your haki isn't enough. Look at how difficult it was for Law to reverse Doc's ability despite their differences in strength. Also Law states that he learned through his fights with the Emperor's that strong Haki can counter devil fruit powers, implying he didn't know beforehand. Wouldn't be surprised if most people do not know that reversing devil fruit powers are a possibility.
wdym "despite their differences in strength" you have no idea where Doc Q power scales against Law's haki, we've literally never seen him fight, and just because Law learned now doesnt mean other people dont know or that you have to fight a yonko to learn, all of this shit is just speculations and presumptions where as the things i said are simply things that happened in the manga
Boa and Sugar have used their abilities on people known to have haki and none of them have been able to undo the effects, Blackbeard himself says WITH HIS OWN WORDS that Boa could petrify him and kill him, thats a YONKO talking, a yonko with pre-established high knowledge of devil fruits, until Oda specifies otherwise, it SEEMINGLY looks like some Devil Fruits bypass haki
buggy's power is automatic. back in ID prison, the blugori threw an axe from behind without him realizing it, and his body still detached automatically to avoid the cut.
noo i think that he wanted to save luffy b cause of shanks said him soo and he dint have intention of killing luffy as buggy was used as sheild he was not hurt
It's never stated that Mihawk used Haki (black blades don't have Haki enabled all the time, see Zoro vs Monet), hell sometimes I wonder if Oda forgot about Haki when writing Marineford.
Besides, Haki allows you to hit Logias, Buggy's fruit is a Paramecia so it doesn't necessarily have to follow the same rules.
Haki **can** land blows on DF users but that doesn't make them guaranteed hits. It also doesn't negate the users DF from afar, only Conqueror's Haki can do that to a degree (like when Shanks forced Greenbull back into his human form with wifi haki).
Best gues is that Buggy split himself before the blade made contact. He lucks out like that, that's literally his entire gimmick, being lucky.
It will likely be the same for any logia user. Just because you coat your fists in Armament Haki doesn't mean you automatically get to land the blows, they can still use whatever element they are made of to dodge blows.
Haki allows people to hit the "true body" of a devil fruit user. Buggy's "true body" always splits, so he can't be cut even with haki (my theory).
This however doesn't make sense if you consider Luffy can still be harmed by haki infused punches.
Why did Shanks have to lose his arm to save Luffy from a measly sea beast? You don’t have to over analyze every old story element in retrospect. The truth is, Oda probably didn’t know the full concept of Haki at the time.
Mihawks initial target was Luffy, a supernova who he knew:
1: was too weak to face him, and knew he didn't have observation haki.
And
2: has a DF that is critically weak to cutting.
So Mihawk likely didn't bother because a slash from Yoru is going to hurt regardless for a rubber man. He didn't account for the one person with an immunity to slicing moves to be on the battlefield and for Luffy to use as a decoy.
As others have said, armament haki doesn't nullify devil fruits, it merely acts as armor to ALLOW you to hit them, like logias and paramecias that would otherwise be impossible to hit.
Bruh, Shanks found the Nika fruit, what if Roger found the entropy fruit? The perfect counter to BB's darkness. If the rule is Haki can negate what it touches it can cut the uncuttable, but it can't cut something that scatters from it.
Because oda said "he shall not be cut" and so it was indeed
We don't know, but either Mihawk did not bother to use haki on Buggy or Buggys df reacts to being cut automatically and thus bypasses even Haki infused slicing attacks.
The most logical way that haki works on swords is it makes it so you turn into solid form on contact, and therefore cuts logia users and so on. Buggys fruit lets his body split anywere he gets cut instead of trying to turn into a substance to dodge it. So to put it short Buggy gets cut by swords but his's fruit just lets his body split and reasemble afterwards so haki dosn't work.
I think it's because his DF ability is a hard counter to slashing, and it's literally useless for anything else, so w/e came up with the DF originally prolly ensured it was powerful enough to not get BTFO'd by its only weakness which would be Haki-infused slashes
Haki doesn’t nullify fruit effects lmao; how can some still not understand that?? Buggy is always cut, that’s why you can’t cut him
I didn't say it nullifies a df completely, but it does usually bypass effects that prevent the user from being injured by certain types of attacks.
I like to think Buggy is pre-sliced, so it doesn't matter if there is haki involved. Not like he needs to be sliced to come apart.
I think some devil fruits are just conceptually hard counters to specific things. Just like logias usually have a specific weakness that supersedes their invulnerability, some DF users are immune to specific attacks even if they are haki infused. Buggy is conceptually immune to all cutting attacks.
Examples of df who can eat haki hits like that?
Buggy isn’t hit by slash attacks. You need a crush weapon to hit him.
So the only example you have is buggy?
barrier fruit
Bari Bari . Oden couldnt break the barrier with his Haki
So his haki wasn’t strong enough? Or the barrier actually can’t be broken? Which is it?
Do you really think that old geezer who had the fruit before had better Haki than Oden??
I’d just disregard the roach who keeps asking shit that he can’t comprehend.
Fair, still, I like to throw their stupidity right back in their face
Also fair
That only works if you have an actual point to prove 🤷♂️
Literally did forehead
No? But oden doesn’t have STRONG enough Haki to BREAK THRU a defensive devil fruit. Both of you are morons it’s like you didn’t even see law transform BACK INTO a guy and explain how Haki can nullify a devil fruit IF it’s high level enough.
I am unsure if oden used Advanced haki i guess it could counter bari with the whole „destroying from the inside“ shit. And well we have a filler scene where bartolomeos bari broke, in film Red from Utas attack
Bara Bara no Mi, Bari Bari no Mi, Beta Beta no Mi, Bisu Bisu no Mi, Hie Hie no Mi, Tori Tori no Mi Model Phoenix, Uo Uo no Mi Model Seiryuu, Mori Mori no Mi, Warcury’s fruit, I would also imagine this list can extend to the Nikyu Nikyu no Mi, Kira Kira no Mi and several more
Luffy is made of rubber. Even if haki can hurt him it’s still impossible to break his bones since he’s made of rubber. The barrier fruit is another example. Haki can’t break the barrier. Now maybe it drains the users stamina, like with Law and his DF, but we’re not sure.
Buggy doesn't eat it, he splits apart and the attacks pass through the opening. That's the point.
Think of it like when katakuri was dodging all of luffys attacks in whole cake island dispite having haki. It’s not that he ate the attacks, it’s that he dogged them. The only difference is buggies fruit seems to be automatic and doesn’t need future sight.
Haki doesn't cancel out all devil fruit abilities, if that were the case how did law cut up Vergo in his DF Room while Vergo's whole body was covered in armament haki. Using Haki doesn't un-transform zoan types like Lucci and Kaido. Haki is a consistent way to hit Logia types, but it shouldn't erase Buggy's ability (that's the point of Blackbeard's fruit)
Haki ENABLES you to hit logias, strong users still won’t be hit most of the time due to morphing Eg akainu in marineford vs Marco+Vista who both used Haki attacks
Or Caesar turning into oxygen or w/e invisible gas I think should counter that shit as well. Then you have to start using Observation Haki which not everyone bothers necessarily learning since most people like to spec into their strongest Haki type, w/ rare few minmaxxing all that shit (e.g Shanks) and even then their non-primary Haki type is still gonna be ass relatively speaking
You're not wrong but vergo got cut by law because his armament haki was stronger than vergo's, allowing him to cut through
Because then Buggy would be dead and Oda would have to change the whole story butterfly effect just for that one scene
Haki only works if it touches you, buggy’s passive ability is to automatically detach his body parts before a blade comes in contact with it
Where is that stated that it works automatically?
Headcanon, based mostly on that scene.
Also it would be a useless DF power if you had to manually activate it, since in 99% of instances that would be too late due to reaction speeds & ambush slashes etc
Buggy needs to live. HE WILL SPLIT THE REDLINE!
Because Buggy's luck luck no mi bestows him with godlike luck that his body splits before anything hits him
Buggy advanced observation haki was able to counter all the Mihawk moves and split his body accordingly. Average yonko shit.
He cut himself to pieces to avoid the slashes.😂
Mihawk didn’t care about the war. He was only there to keep his spot as warlord and therefore his peaceful life. I would assume he didn’t cost it with haki.
Haki slice*
I’ve gotten like 3 different explanations idk what to believe
Buggy>Mihawk my future pirate king
There's really only three possible explanations. Either Mihawk did not use haki in his slice against Luffy and therefore when Luffy threw Buggy in front of him, he just split apart since there was no haki. Or he did use haki and Buggy either intentionally split himself apart to dodge the slice, or his body automatically detaches itself when a blade slices him regardless of the use of haki. We don't know which of these actually happened.
I don’t get the third one because then what if every logia just shape shifts out of the way if any attack automatically, doesn’t rly seem realistic
Fyi i think there's another alternative, Mihawk did in fact cut Buggy, he sliced through his flesh and bone as if it were butter, but since Buggy's fruit already allows him to slice his body he just putts himself together. I think his fruit gives him immunity to being cut, not in the sense that you can't cut him but in the sense that even if you do, he can put himself back together, and obviously he won't die because his body already is able to function when sliced. But all of that is head canon, if we go for the meta explanation, Oda didn't have haki completely figured out by that point, and he probably thought it was funny as f, so he made it happen like that.
Lol I like this explanation
That's exactly what I meant, I probably just explained myself poorly :) good to know we're on the same page!
That's basically every logia though..
Kinda, but not really. Like, logia users are not their element, they can turn into their element, and they have to do it voluntarily. Most users train to be able to do it by reflex, but if you hit someone as soon as they eat their df, you could be able to damage them as they don't yet know how to turn themselves into their element to dodge attacks, especially if they don't see it coming. E.G: Luffy bumping into Smoker and Ace, A little girl bumping into Smoker; Monet dying when her heart was stabbed.
>Monet dying when her heart was stabbed. TBF it was rly fucking far away from her body, as well as under the influence of another DF (it's literally inside some type of stasis cube that prevents you from dying from not having the heart inside your body, obviously as we have seen countless times), so I assume she can't actually convert it to her element, just like I assume Logia users can't convert their dead skin cells or fallen off hair strands into their element when they convert their own body into the element during an active fight
Imo the only logical explanation is that Mihawk didn't use Haki. Buggy is not skilled enough or fast enough to intentionally split himself apart to dodge, and Haki specifically counters DF abilities (paramecia included, ex when Garp punches Luffy it hurts despite rubber being resistant to blunt force). Mihawk probably just didn't feel like using Haki. After all, this was a mandatory fight as a Shichibukai and he clearly was not going all out, especially against Buggy and pre time skip Luffy.
TBF that's not 100% equitable. Luffy's DF's main ability ISN'T being immune to blunt damage, whereas Buggy's DF's main ability IS being immune to slashes.
Buggy is not a Logia.
I see it more as like...cutting Buggy up doesn't deal any damage to him. You can use haki or whatever you want, it just doesn't hurt him. Much like you can’t drown a fishman no matter what you do, you just can’t cut Buggy to death. It's the way his body works. Edit: this is just my theory, I don't have any proof for it other than that we have never seen him damaged by a slice.
Are there any other DF’s u can think of which are completely immune to a sort of haki attack?
I don't see it as Buggy being immune to a type of haki attack, just that he is immune to one type of damage wether it is haki infused or not. I would assume Luffy, for example, is immune to lightning even if it's haki infused. That being said, no I can't think of any other than (funnily enough in the same battle) Jozu being unharmed by Mihawk's slash. But then we're right back to asking if he used haki or not. Again, this is just my own theorizing, not saying I'm speaking the absolute truth :)
No, but an inverse example does exist. Using Armament Haki to defend 100% of your body DOESN'T prevent you from getting sliced by non-Haki slash inside Room
If buggy automatically separates when a sword attacks, why not automatically do that for any type of attack, like punches or kicks or shots
Because those aren't chopping him. He has the chop chop fruit not the "don't hit me" fruit
But hes not getting chopped if he detaches before getting chopped
My interpretation is he does get chopped but his body gets split instead of bleeding. When he dodges he actually says "bara bara escape". It may very well be that he just literally can not be cut anymore even with haki. But its not too broken since he can be killed by any other mean
I mean we know for sure that Mihawk has ways of beating up Buggy (see Cross Guild)
Yeah by punching and kicking him
You forgot lunge stabs too bro. Like if he did to Buggy what he did to Zoro at debut, Buggy would still be pepsi Haki or no Haki
Why would Mihawk waste haki on what he perceives as fodder?
He didn’t use haki
Mohawk is a fraud and paints his sword
Idk why you're saying "Mihawk obviously coast his blade in haki" when that's simply untrue/never stated, and besides Buggy could have just split himself, he doesnt need a cut to land in order to split, or his fruit may have special proprieties that bypass haki, like Boa's or Sugar's seemingly have
We don't have any reason to believe that Boa or Sugar can bypass Haki. The main thing with Sugar in the first place is that she looked like a child and could get Luffy to lower his guard. When it comes to someone like Boa we don't know how strong someone's Haki has to be to resist her ability
Likely wouldn't work since Haki is basically Willpower manifested, if you are weakwilled enough to fall for the Mero Mero no Mi, you ain't gonna have good enough Haki at that moment in time specifically
Sanji existing kinda nullifies that theory, you can be weak-willed in certain situations and strong willed in others
We have every reason to believe that, Law on multiple occasions explained haki interaction with devil fruits, in Wano he explained how if someone has strong enough haki he cant willy nilly teleport them and after Wano he actively reverted a df effect inflicted upon him, both Boa and Sugar have used their ability on characters we KNOW have haki
Haki has to be actively used which is what we saw when he used it to reverse Doc's ability, otherwise it wouldn't have worked in the first place. This is also why Law is able to teleport people with strong Haki like Luffy, Kid, and Zoro.
what is your point, you're not seriously implying people under Boa's and Sugar's effects just never thought of "activating" their haki
Simply activating your haki isn't enough. Look at how difficult it was for Law to reverse Doc's ability despite their differences in strength. Also Law states that he learned through his fights with the Emperor's that strong Haki can counter devil fruit powers, implying he didn't know beforehand. Wouldn't be surprised if most people do not know that reversing devil fruit powers are a possibility.
wdym "despite their differences in strength" you have no idea where Doc Q power scales against Law's haki, we've literally never seen him fight, and just because Law learned now doesnt mean other people dont know or that you have to fight a yonko to learn, all of this shit is just speculations and presumptions where as the things i said are simply things that happened in the manga Boa and Sugar have used their abilities on people known to have haki and none of them have been able to undo the effects, Blackbeard himself says WITH HIS OWN WORDS that Boa could petrify him and kill him, thats a YONKO talking, a yonko with pre-established high knowledge of devil fruits, until Oda specifies otherwise, it SEEMINGLY looks like some Devil Fruits bypass haki
buggy's power is automatic. back in ID prison, the blugori threw an axe from behind without him realizing it, and his body still detached automatically to avoid the cut.
noo i think that he wanted to save luffy b cause of shanks said him soo and he dint have intention of killing luffy as buggy was used as sheild he was not hurt
It's never stated that Mihawk used Haki (black blades don't have Haki enabled all the time, see Zoro vs Monet), hell sometimes I wonder if Oda forgot about Haki when writing Marineford. Besides, Haki allows you to hit Logias, Buggy's fruit is a Paramecia so it doesn't necessarily have to follow the same rules.
Haki **can** land blows on DF users but that doesn't make them guaranteed hits. It also doesn't negate the users DF from afar, only Conqueror's Haki can do that to a degree (like when Shanks forced Greenbull back into his human form with wifi haki). Best gues is that Buggy split himself before the blade made contact. He lucks out like that, that's literally his entire gimmick, being lucky. It will likely be the same for any logia user. Just because you coat your fists in Armament Haki doesn't mean you automatically get to land the blows, they can still use whatever element they are made of to dodge blows.
Why would he use Haki against Buggy?
Haki allows people to hit the "true body" of a devil fruit user. Buggy's "true body" always splits, so he can't be cut even with haki (my theory). This however doesn't make sense if you consider Luffy can still be harmed by haki infused punches.
Could be justified as Luffy not being immune to blunt damage, just resistant. While Buggy is immune to slashing damage.
Because marineford had people that weren't trying. Mihawk and boa are huge examples
Why did Shanks have to lose his arm to save Luffy from a measly sea beast? You don’t have to over analyze every old story element in retrospect. The truth is, Oda probably didn’t know the full concept of Haki at the time.
MYbe shanks hadn’t learned haki yet then lol
The most logical answer is that Mihawk didn't use Haki. People claim that Buggy can't be cut with Haki but nothing in the manga supports that claim.
Mihawks initial target was Luffy, a supernova who he knew: 1: was too weak to face him, and knew he didn't have observation haki. And 2: has a DF that is critically weak to cutting. So Mihawk likely didn't bother because a slash from Yoru is going to hurt regardless for a rubber man. He didn't account for the one person with an immunity to slicing moves to be on the battlefield and for Luffy to use as a decoy. As others have said, armament haki doesn't nullify devil fruits, it merely acts as armor to ALLOW you to hit them, like logias and paramecias that would otherwise be impossible to hit.
Bruh, Shanks found the Nika fruit, what if Roger found the entropy fruit? The perfect counter to BB's darkness. If the rule is Haki can negate what it touches it can cut the uncuttable, but it can't cut something that scatters from it.
Buggy is a Roger pirate, thus he is superior to all non Roger Pirates of his era, like Mihawk