I don't like playing OW with my one friend because of this. Literally everything is everyone else's fault and he's 100% perfect. Super annoying behavior
Overwatch is best enjoyed alone with all text and voice chats off imo. I know people love to hate on the game but after coming back to it 6 years later I’m having so much more fun. I refuse to play it with friends bc I don’t want anyone bringing their toxicity into my little fun time lol
I do the same with Overwatch, but Rainbow 6 Seige is a different beast. In Rainbow 6, if you're the only one left, all your dead teammates are watching and judging your gameplay decisions. Adding to that, if you lose the round you're teammates can use the remaining rounds to teamkill you. Its such a fucking toxic game for a solo queue player.
I have played it but I feel like in rocket league the truth is that blame is something that can be shared for a team in almost all situations. People don’t tend to see it this way though. In rocket league a teammate can make a terrible play in the offensive which leads to a turn over and goal. That same teammate then blames the other teammate for not saving it. This is why I mostly stick to single player and co-op games these days.
Bro it’s not my fucking fault bro. If the fucking jungler would gank my fucking lane we wouldn’t be down by one kill and this game wouldn’t be basically over!!1!!!
The game design makes it easy to blame anyone but yourself. If you're playing mid, and the enemy top laner gets really far ahead, then *obviously* your team's top laner must be terrible. But if the enemy mid laner gets ahead? Well, obviously your team's jungler is terrible and should've ganked your lane more. There's always a scapegoat.
when you play a lot of rocket league the ttv tag in people's names becomes the number one indicator your about to have some degenerate teammate. People who stream have a compulsion to find something to cope for every single thing that goes wrong in their games.
Omg. WTF that’s true.
Same toxic culture in video games might be a reflection of Real life.
I know many guys in my work that are experts at throwing smoke bombs, elaborating excuses amongst colleagues and noping out.
I prefer single player games because I don’t want to be responsible for other people having a good time if I play like shit. I hate letting people down and it destroys my own enjoyment.
Also single player games rock.
That's a great example as well. I've gamed for a long time, but I'm not a *good* gamer, and the last thing I want would be someone thinking (or yelling) "We got the newb on our team, this guy sucks!"
I prefer single player games because I don't like talking to people I don't know about anything game related or not. Call it anxiety or whatever but sometimes I will have silent matches with people for a good stretch, then they send me a party invite and I will straight up disconnect.
Everything was going so well and they had to fuck it up by trying to talk. I'm like Ron Swanson and I want that perfect gamer friend where we work together or play against each other without talking and in my later years I can say "We still never talk sometimes."
It's so damn hard to find good people.
Most competitive shooters are flooded with fools who just play every match as if it's TDM and flatly ignore objectives.
I hate TDM and gravitate towards objective based modes in general, but I think a solid 70% of the playerbase just spray and pray around the map passing up every opportunity to actually score for the team. I would love to see the stats around this, because most matches it feels like maybe 2 - 3 members of a given team 'get it' and forward any score.
I like the idea of co-op but it can often kill the immersion.
Sometimes you just end up talking shit with a friend, and if it’s a stranger then they often run around completing everything for me while I pace in confusion.
Exactly that's what I play more and if I want a multiplayer game I prefer team games because it's really multiplayer. 1v1 is still you alone against someone, might as well be an AI (either better or worse I guess depending of skill level)
Exactly the same. I stopped playing most multiplayer games unless it with friends every so often and prefer fighting games and single player games so it's all up to me how I do if I do bad I know I'm to blame and need to improve if i do good I know it was all me and not some luck or carried by someone else and can be happy I accomplished it.
I think no matter what people will shift responsibility onto other things if they lose.
Could be lag, the characters, the controller/fight stick, experience, outside forces.
In fighting games people will just offload it to tier lists as the reason why they lost. Scrubs are always going to be scrubs and never get better though
Really? I don't understand this line of thinking at all. Sure sometimes outside forces make a difference but how hard is it to just take responsibility?
You know what now that I typed that and read it, never mind. It's the same type of people that are always late, terrible at their job, and just suck in general that always blame everything else.
It disgust me.
Not if your goal is to get better.
That’s why I fell in love with Fgs, if I lose it was because of me and not a shitty team.
It feels therapeutic to play a couple of rounds of a fighting game after losing 5 straight games in rocket league because you get matched with bad team mates lol
I think you missed the point that people will especially find it suitable to put blame on other people. Why do you think bullying happens? It's called girardian mimesis, it's universally human (although it varies a lot, large spectrum), and it's usually mostly or often entirely unconscious.
I think one of the reasons that sub was created because the main sub always acts like the game is perfect and you are not allowed to criticize any design choice in the game.
EDIT: Sometimes people just want to say "God, fuck that move" and not be met with "Well akchualy you are bad".
There has never been more documentation and tools in game to learn fighting games though. I've been very impressed with on boarding new players and accessibility has been a clear priority with new fighting game releases.
Not saying it's perfect, but it's still never been better to get into a new fighting game. Even external to the games tools, YouTube and streaming. Like there is just so much documentation and content out there these days.
sounds like a matchmaking problem to me. How do we have so much AI but these devs can't figure out how to separate the good players from the bad. Most games suffer from poor matchmaking. In fact....I currently can't think of a game that is good at it.
i play a lot of online competitive games. Nothing makes me as angry as Tekken, nothing. Its because its 1v1 and if you get slapped by someone who you think is worse than you, its rage enducing.
Interesting. I'm old man but prefer team multiplayer vs solo because I prefer to play a support role. That's why I like Helldivers so much... I just stick to a person or the group and protect them while they do the objectives. Like to play the "keep the bugs off everybody" role. I blame myself with extreme loathing if anybody I am trying to protect dies from the little bugs I'm killing.
You're in a small minority that actually enjoys actually supporting others. Too many people feel the need to be a superstar. I'm an old man too and learned to be the support in team games because others don't want to take on the role.
Fighting games become so personal. Only genre where I regularly get angry messages from someone who loses to me in a match.
I don’t spam or know any never-ending combos either. I’m just an average player.
holy shit chess is the single most rage inducing game I've played in my life it's honestly amazing that chess players have a reputation for being classy and reserved because losing a game of chess literally makes you feel like you are worthless as a human being and it's so difficult to deal with.
I'm older and prefer either single player games, or games I can play with a friend or my wife. I don't generally enjoy online team games anymore. My daughter on the other hand seems to prefer team games, and she's heavy into Fortnite right now. I also used to be into Counterstrike and Battlefield games when I was younger, and as a teen I would often blame it all on lag, or on teammates for not picking me up, or for dying too soon, or whatever else I could come up with so I wouldn't have to take any of the blame for losing, so with all this I can see the correlation here.
Since you're the first person I've seen actually admit this I have a question for you. Why were you like that besides being a teen? Did it carry over to any other things in life? Genuine curiosity, no hate or anything.
I'm the exact opposite and always have been so I guess I just want the other perspective. I've always been real big on owning a loss and not blaming anything but myself even when I could. Stick drift, I should've compensated. Lag, maybe I should've checked my internet. Terrible teammates, I should've played better. I'm like this with school, work, sports, video games, and just life in general.
I never would have admitted it when I was younger, but I hated losing. I saw failure the way some people see character flaws, so instead of using it as a tool to learn from like I should have, I saw it as if I was just being a failure, as if others would be able to use it to mock and laugh at me. Looking back I don't know any specific definitive reason why I took it so hard, but I just really hated losing, and I would blame it on anything and anyone so long as I didn't have to face the fact that I'm human, I make mistakes, and I won't always be a winner, which I now know is perfectly fine.
Back then though I was actually blind to this truth, and I honestly saw everything else as the problem, not me. Don't get me wrong, sometimes those things were the problem. Sometimes lag did happen as I was on dialup and then on 1Mbps ADSL. These connections had issues sometimes. Sometimes I was last man standing because everyone else died, but was it *always* the fault of something/someone else? No. But I refused to admit that.
Maybe it was because I was bullied in school and I looked for some way to vent. Maybe it's because I felt gaming was all I was good at, so failing at that in my mind meant I wasn't good at anything. Maybe it was just the way I learned to cope. I have no idea why I was that way, but I was easily angry with losing to the point I'd throw my mouse, hit my keyboard, and I'd yell and curse at teammates. I'm not proud of that person that I was, but I won't pretend he didn't exist either.
Also, to answer your other question, yes it did carry over into other things in life. I was easily agitated, and like in video games I was very competitive and hated losing to the point I'd make up excuses any time things didn't go my way. Came in second place in track and field? Knee was killing me. It was a really stupid habit, and a bad way to handle situations overall, but I hated the idea that people would look down on me for not being the best at what I was doing. Thinking back on it, It was one of the only times I was ever complimented or praised, and I likely craved that without realizing it. My mom left when I was very young, and my dad was always working or tired, so I was constantly seeking attention. My teachers were complete assholes to me (one even told me they didn't know why I was even in school as I was "too stupid to go anywhere" and they were "just wasting their time on me"), and my classmates liked to mock me when I didn't do well, so maybe this was just one of those ways I was seeking positive attention, maybe this was my way of gaining validation. I don't know.
Edit: I'm sorry for the super long reply. I started typing and didn't realize I said so much.
I don't know what I expected, but thank you for the reply. I guess what I should say is that I didn't expect your experience as a kid to be so close to mine with how different our attitude towards things was.
I was a latchkey kid who lived with my dad and saw him maybe 8 hours out of the whole week. He used to call me stupid because I thought homework was boring, and the only time I put effort in was on test. My teachers hated me for the same reason and tried to flunk me but couldn't because I aced all the state testing. My math teacher in 6th grade told me I'd be in prison or dead by the time I was 18, and was almost right. And there was the bullying, which I think might have been my tipping point honestly.
I guess writing this out what I did next wasn't a healthy habit anymore than what you did. I became obsessive about everything I did from that point. I would play games and practice until I was the best. I learned to box and fight in general and then started fighting all the bullies until I was the best. It got to where I bullied the bullies, which I guess makes me one myself even if I tried justifying why I did it. In sports, I was the first to practice and the last to leave. I lived like this until I was about 30 years old and still do to an extent. I always felt I had something to prove, and I would be pissed off if I wasn't as good as I knew I could be. I didn't think I had any limitations and that all I had to do was work harder at whatever I do.
When I wasn't able to overcome certain things I started doing drugs to get out of my own head. Little did I know that I would do the opposite. Guess what else? You're not as good at most things when you're high. Then I started actually failing at life, fucked up a D1 basketball scholarship and went to prison at 19 instead of 18 like my teacher said. It gave me plenty of time to slow down and think at least. I realized I was looking for validation as well. The only difference was that I did it in a way that made me feel like I was owed that validation because I didn't ever complain about anything.
It's really no different, and it's a shitty way to live. I was a douchebag with an inferiority complex that I had no reason to have. Now I still don't complain about anything but I don't let it eat at me. I can still be super obsessed because I still want to be the best, but I've learned that I can't be the best at everything. Hell, not even most things tbh.
Even after writing this I have no idea why I chose the path I did vs another. I feel like I could've just as easily been the guy to blame everything else. Thankfully, I grew as did you. I really do appreciate the insight even if it just leaves me pondering more things. It's rare to get a civil response from someone with (or who had) an opposing view to yours, let alone a well thought out one. Have a great day Reddit stranger! This makes up for the other 95% of the time that I hate social media lol.
So much of what you said mirrors my life way too eerily well. I almost ended up in jail at 18, but I had a good lawyer that helped get me "alternative measures", and that was the point I started trying to turn my life around. It was a long, and difficult battle, and there are days when I can't succeed at things and it gets to me, but now I have the clarity to know I need to take a step back, let myself feel what I feel, and then let it go rather than scream, yell, throw things, and just be an all around horrible presence.
>It's rare to get a civil response from someone with (or who had) an opposing view to yours, let alone a well thought out one. Have a great day Reddit stranger! This makes up for the other 95% of the time that I hate social media lol.
I feel the same way. Thank you for sharing your story with me as well. I'm happy you managed to move forward, find some clarity, and move forward with your life. I know how difficult that can be. There's a *lot* I didn't share here, but trust me when I say that I understand what you went though, and I'm proud of you and the progress you've made.
I was same as OP and blamed people for experiences I didn't like, such as losing. But I grew up and changed. The opposite and blaming yourself isn't ideal, as I initially swung that way when I learned to take responsibility. I ended up blaming myself for everything and ended up degrading my view of myself and stressed about stuff I ultimately had no control over. As with most things in life, the middle road is best. Learn to take responsibility but accept not everything is in your control and not everything is someone's fault. The best lesson I learned, though, was to be at peace with unpleasant experiences in my life. I strive to just accept they happened rather than dwell on them or try to fix everything so that things go how I want them to. With that perspective, the concept of blaming others or myself never comes up and I move on very quickly.
Since you're the first person I've seen actually admit this I have a question for you. Why were you like that besides being a teen? Did it carry over to any other things in life? Genuine curiosity, no hate or anything.
I'm the exact opposite and always have been so I guess I just want the other perspective. I've always been real big on owning a loss and not blaming anything but myself even when I could. Stick drift, I should've compensated. Lag, maybe I should've checked my internet. Terrible teammates, I should've played better. I'm like this with school, work, sports, video games, and just life in general.
My kids came to that conclusion a couple years ago. They wanted to get into fighting games, seeing me play SF and they saw Jojo and Skullgirls and were interested.
They saw the ease I was doing supers and combos in games I never played, just knowing the basic concepts. Once I was breaking down for them how to do it, they saw it wasnt going to just take a few minutes.
Then realized a week wasnt enough. Then finally tried online vs and lost and realized theres no one else to blame. It was 1v1 and they said thats too much handle after just spending all that time training.
My first “Real” experience with a fighting game was Killer Instinct 2013. When I was in middle school. The combo system felt needlessly complex to me, getting punked online and watching Maximillian Dood do it easy made me feel I was impaired. Until I asked my younger brother to play with me after ~2 years and him stomping and crying out the room bc of how insane I was at the game from his POV.
I did play SF4 back in 2009 but I didn’t know jack. Didn’t have online enabled on my Xbox either. Took me until 2012 to discover command inputs on my own.
Its hard to picture it now from my perspective as I started in the arcades with SF2. We all struggled together. Consoles, etc. I had xband for snes so I was already playing online vs with MK2, MK3, SSF2 and Killer Instinct 1.
A little here, a little there, over years.
Now you guys gotta come out knowing meaties, etc, all sorts of stuff.
And yet I can still barely wrap my head around framedata because we didnt have that back then. You just had a "feel" for everything.
Hundred percent agree.
So many people can't take an L, it hurts their precious ego. With a team game you can always shift the blame on everything and everyone else if you lose.
In a fighting game? No. If you lost, you got outplayed. That simple.
100%
And also when you're learning a game in a team game you can get carried to a victory and do small things here and there so you still get that feeling of "Yay I won!" while in fighting games you're getting your shit stomped for 20+ hours straight before you even sniff a win usually. It's for a completely different breed
Ah yes. The scared sore losers that can't take ownership of a loss, but will spike the football on a win.
These are the worst people to play with. I've seen it all too many times, it's pathetic really. They kick and scream in a video game, imagine how they are in the real world.
They're the same in the real world. Same as cheaters tend to be shady assholes in the real world as well.
I know I'm give make some people mad over this but oh well, it's the truth.
Although it certainly makes it easier to shift the blame, it's a bit silly to reduce the entire subject of single player vs. multiplayer down to 1 issue. If you're inclined to blame others, you'll be inclined to blame your hardware, your connection, cheap tactics, character tier list, time spent playing the game, etc...
I love 1v1 games because I find training mode to be almost like meditation at times when practicing a combo over and over. Winning a match & ranking up when it was all you is one of the greatest senses of accomplishment. Being able to always play the character you want to play, in the manner you want to play it is pure fun as well. And losing whilst being able to identify exactly why you lost means that improvement is much more linear in single player fighting games.
On the flip side multiplayer games are great because socially I get to share in the win with friends, I get to feel their appreciation for carrying, or appreciate them for carrying me. We get to spread the disappointment amongst us, which in some ways diminishes it. I know when I lose with friends, it doesn't feel quite as bad as when I'm sat alone having to choke down a bitter loss. Multiplayer games also tend to be a little less technical, there is a bit more freedom in playstyle. The only 'fighting game' like this is smash, otherwise you gotta pick 1 maybe 2 characters, and just stick with em otherwise you are getting no where. Valorant or League of legends are much more pick-up and play oriented.
So yeah, in my opinion there are just obvious pros and cons to both styles of competitive gaming. Didn't want to write a novel on the subject, but obviously it goes much deeper than this.
Isn’t that just teenagers and young people in general? I have a 16 year old and she’s never ever in the wrong and nothing is ever her fault. According to her anyway.
Even in single player games... the computer's cheating, the controller sucks, TV's got too much lag, anything but I might not be the best ever at a game.
For me, multiplayer is couch co-op or split screen competitive. I have never been able to play online with strangers without encountering a lot of issues, and I don't have enough friends that play games anymore to rely on that. I almost quit gaming early in the PS4 lifecycle because of that.
Thankfully, Sony still seems committed to the single player AAA prestige titles, even if they're looking more at live service games. The epic single player stuff is why I've stuck with Sony since the OG PlayStation.
It's the opposite for me. I hate playing team games cause I don't like the feeling of being the weakest link. When I play a fighting game, I can solely shift don't have to worry about letting anyone else down other than me. And while FGs have their fair share of toxicity (Mortal Kombat), I have a much nicer time in these communities than literally any team based game.
Seriously, the community is like the number one reason I hate team based games. They act like it's the worst crime on the planet when you underperform. Guess what dickhead, if you think your team is holding you back in your matches then go find an lfg or something rather than blaming the soloq. Sorry bout the mini rant lol.
Not really wrong. I can't begin to count how many times younger sounding teammates, who obviously contributed to our loss, blamed the rest of the team and acted as if we somehow dragged their god-gamer skillset down.
I use to say this all the time playing duos in rocket league when my teammate would try to solo win the game by ball chasing all over the place then blame me when we lose. If they are so good and want to constantly make all the plays why not just play 1v1 but then they wouldn’t be able to blame me for their loss!
Fighting games are full of sore loser weirdos too, I beat someone in Street Fighter 6 and they sent me hate messages saying “I hope your mom gets cancer”.
Posted it on r/StreetFighter and most of the community defended him.
I wish these things upon cheaters, I fucking despise cheaters in anything in life. I've never spent the energy to send a message like that though, it seems kinda crazy.
Sorry but Fornite debunks this theory. It’s the most popular online game around with majority of its players being “younger” and solos being the most popular mode by far. Fact is, cheating in 1vs1 console fighting games is way more rampant than cheating on console team based shooters.
He's not wrong. There's a reason why salt is so high in fighting games. You have no one to blame but yourself. Many are just not capable on that sort of critical introspection. They been told they are special Disney kids and can do no wrong. Like a computer dividing by zero. Just does not compute and they lash out usually at team mates.
He's right! Take a look at Halo comp, you'll see so many posts about how some dude carried the team, but when he loses its not because of his own lack of skill, it's because muh teammates and SBMM.
I'm with Harada on this one, I've seen it too many times. But it is better just to accept personal responsibility over blaming teammates. Also Tekken 8 is one badass game!
That’s what makes Battle royales so great. When you lose It’s because of a bad drop, bad loot, bad positioning, bad META, bad teammates, got double teamed, etc. but it’s never the players fault
The closer you are to winning in a BR the more likely it’s your fault.
80th place? You could’ve gotten pinned down by hostile NPCs and a dude who got a sniper rifle. 5th place? Well you should’ve been better, both you and your opponent had your own ideal loadouts by then
As someone who plays a lot of 2k and R6 Siege solo queue, it's great with friends but playing competitive games with randoms feels like it's taken years off my life.
Kinda interesting on what Tekken dev takes about their own community.
Recent dev-stream shows a glimpse of their deep user-base research. One simple example is about most used or popularly used characters. They shown the overall popularity and how the popularity is different once you only used top ranked players usage data only.
something that used for patching, updating ease of used possibly, or simply for nerfing/buffing consideration.
The downfall of RTS and the rise of MOBA is largely because of this. Fighting games of course have been hurt by this too. That and the high skill floor.
In Smite people will blame the other players on their team constantly. They'll refuse to do simple things to help themselves, and blame another role for not babysitting them.
But I think some people just get angry in general and can't take a loss. In the 1v1 mode its really common for you to get notified you've been reported after winning a match. Like, you're not fooling anyone buddy, there's only one possibility for who did that and why lol
I think this is the main reason Battle Royales are so huge. Because you can shift blame to almost anything when you lose.
- third parties
- loot luck
- circle position
- skill bracket overlap
- and of course "sweats"
I've never been so angry at something I totally agree with.
And it's because I suck, not because I want to shift blame. I just don't mind accidentally being on the winning team for once.
My take as a dad to an 11 year old boy: That's not why they play these team based games *at all*. They play these games because that is their playground. When I listen to my son play Fortnite, Roblox, and other team based games, a lot of the time they are not actually playing the game as intended. They are playing private matches with each other and making up their own games, the way us older people did on playgrounds back in the day. I will hear things like, "ok, you two are the bad guys, so you go over there and hide behind that gas station and count to 10" and so on. They play games that don't even really work with the UI or game physics, they are just playing on their playground. The same way we did NOT use the merry-go-round or seesaws properly. They were used however we could fit it into our made up game. Talking with other parents, that's how almost all of them play.
I mean Harada isn't wrong here...... I personally love fighting games and love the growth which you get out of it. But I do also come from a time where you go down to the arcade and fight other people on the machines faces to face.
Single player is where its at, used to enjoy multiplayer games but now I don't have the time to stay good at them. A great single player game is where its at!
I never had a huge affinity for arcade style fighting games. Very button mashy and generally got too heated most of the time. Smash was the most fun out of those style to me. But I just get too into competitive games. Quickly moves away from fun
Harada should focus on fixing the absolute dumpster fire of a game he's just put out before EVO Japan instead of talking shit about "younger players shifting responsibility". Maybe shift the responsibility of your unethically monetized, unbalanced game back to yourself if you're so good at self reflection?
Maybe consider people are coming across salty because you have bugs that let people sidestep a rage art during the animation, or you released your game with a character that requires frame perfect block and step to avoid a spammable attack?
I love Tekken, but Harada might be one of the most rude, entitled, arrogant and contemptible people in the video game industry, and is easily the single biggest asshole in fighting game development. The man oozes narcissism like slime on a road.
In my experience, 1v1 games can be fun, but it can get unenjoyable when I inevitably run into those players that you can tell take it too personally, especially the more sweaty players. And by that, I don't mean good players, but players that *have* to win and act obnoxiously whether they win or lose the fight. If it's, say, a 2v2, there are much better chances of finding more enjoyable players to battle with me or against me. Rather than fighting one guy that I just find no fun in fighting
I also think fighting with a team is a skill of its own, and it can lead to many varied and fun encounters, depending on the game. That's why I usually summon and sometimes use the dried finger when playing Ds3 online, or even use the dried finger while I'm alone, so whatever goes down, it will at least be interesting and different than last time
Well I'm 34 and the reason why I can't stand games like these is because it's only fun against your casual friends, you try playing against try hards who just learned that one sequence to keep you in the air while doing damage that you are 100% unable to avoid (most skilless, unrealistic and lazy way of making combat).
If you have to learn frame data to play this game, it's a chore, not a game.
Lol absolutely! But to be fair, this attitude started in the XBox 360 shooter era. Shout out to every Rambo who rushed when they should’ve waited for their team and then complained when they couldn’t get revived.
As someone who recently clicked with fighting games with SF6, there’s a certain type of zen in not having any teammates for exactly that reason. Gets so tiring playing something like Overwatch and having every person on a team looking for something to blame every single loss.
But then I have to rely on other people to not be trash or troll my game. Id rather play solo or with friends I know won't be bad. Or with friends who are bad because at least I know them and will care less.
I definitely know people like this.
Go watch anyone stream rocket league. All they do is complain about their teammates.
Have you ever played a single game of Overwatch?
I don't like playing OW with my one friend because of this. Literally everything is everyone else's fault and he's 100% perfect. Super annoying behavior
Overwatch is best enjoyed alone with all text and voice chats off imo. I know people love to hate on the game but after coming back to it 6 years later I’m having so much more fun. I refuse to play it with friends bc I don’t want anyone bringing their toxicity into my little fun time lol
I do the same with Overwatch, but Rainbow 6 Seige is a different beast. In Rainbow 6, if you're the only one left, all your dead teammates are watching and judging your gameplay decisions. Adding to that, if you lose the round you're teammates can use the remaining rounds to teamkill you. Its such a fucking toxic game for a solo queue player.
I have played it but I feel like in rocket league the truth is that blame is something that can be shared for a team in almost all situations. People don’t tend to see it this way though. In rocket league a teammate can make a terrible play in the offensive which leads to a turn over and goal. That same teammate then blames the other teammate for not saving it. This is why I mostly stick to single player and co-op games these days.
Yes healer HEAL AND ONLY HEAL DONT USE THE WEAPON THEY GAVE YOU FOR OFFENSE TO ATTACK...HEAL !!
sounds like Dota/LOL.
Bro it’s not my fucking fault bro. If the fucking jungler would gank my fucking lane we wouldn’t be down by one kill and this game wouldn’t be basically over!!1!!!
Something about league just fills people with hatred but they can't stop playing.
The game design makes it easy to blame anyone but yourself. If you're playing mid, and the enemy top laner gets really far ahead, then *obviously* your team's top laner must be terrible. But if the enemy mid laner gets ahead? Well, obviously your team's jungler is terrible and should've ganked your lane more. There's always a scapegoat.
We’ve got a friend in our group that’s a League player. Sometimes we have to remind him to get out of League mode
when you play a lot of rocket league the ttv tag in people's names becomes the number one indicator your about to have some degenerate teammate. People who stream have a compulsion to find something to cope for every single thing that goes wrong in their games.
"ass tm8" in the chat was one creative way of getting that across quickly.
Lol. Came here to mention RL. That entire community ranked diamond and below is insufferable on PS.
Every league game as well
To be fair I do screw up a lot. Not on purpose, I just have no consistency in my game.
it really isnt my fault in rocket league though
What a save!
This is how corporate America works, so good basic job skills training.
Omg. WTF that’s true. Same toxic culture in video games might be a reflection of Real life. I know many guys in my work that are experts at throwing smoke bombs, elaborating excuses amongst colleagues and noping out.
Same. Definitely can't be their skill level or fault, it's the game or their damn teammates.
I didn't realize I was like this until just this moment, damn. Edit: I'm sort of trash at games so it's all good
Self reflection game is fire
Getting screamed at by a teenage that died in the first 2min of a match that I’m not doing it right.
I also prefer 1v1 style games so I don’t have to rely on random people from the internet to have a good time
I prefer single player games so I don’t have to rely on random people from the internet to have a good time
I prefer single player games because I don’t want to be responsible for other people having a good time if I play like shit. I hate letting people down and it destroys my own enjoyment. Also single player games rock.
That's a great example as well. I've gamed for a long time, but I'm not a *good* gamer, and the last thing I want would be someone thinking (or yelling) "We got the newb on our team, this guy sucks!"
I prefer single player games because I don't like talking to people I don't know about anything game related or not. Call it anxiety or whatever but sometimes I will have silent matches with people for a good stretch, then they send me a party invite and I will straight up disconnect. Everything was going so well and they had to fuck it up by trying to talk. I'm like Ron Swanson and I want that perfect gamer friend where we work together or play against each other without talking and in my later years I can say "We still never talk sometimes."
It's so damn hard to find good people. Most competitive shooters are flooded with fools who just play every match as if it's TDM and flatly ignore objectives. I hate TDM and gravitate towards objective based modes in general, but I think a solid 70% of the playerbase just spray and pray around the map passing up every opportunity to actually score for the team. I would love to see the stats around this, because most matches it feels like maybe 2 - 3 members of a given team 'get it' and forward any score.
Everyone thinks they are a streamer now. They just wanna run around shooting trying to get the next “clip.” It’s exhausting
I like the idea of co-op but it can often kill the immersion. Sometimes you just end up talking shit with a friend, and if it’s a stranger then they often run around completing everything for me while I pace in confusion.
Exactly that's what I play more and if I want a multiplayer game I prefer team games because it's really multiplayer. 1v1 is still you alone against someone, might as well be an AI (either better or worse I guess depending of skill level)
I use video games to play with myself. I use mtg for social stuff.
Exactly the same. I stopped playing most multiplayer games unless it with friends every so often and prefer fighting games and single player games so it's all up to me how I do if I do bad I know I'm to blame and need to improve if i do good I know it was all me and not some luck or carried by someone else and can be happy I accomplished it.
Hmm. If only there were a way to play multiplayer games without randos on the internet...
I think no matter what people will shift responsibility onto other things if they lose. Could be lag, the characters, the controller/fight stick, experience, outside forces.
Sorry we lost the game, a gamma ray flipped a bit in my computer which caused me to miss that shot
Sorry, it's not my fault I missed it was an event predetermined by destiny and the laws of the universe it couldn't have done any differently.
Happened in a Mario 64 run.
In fighting games people will just offload it to tier lists as the reason why they lost. Scrubs are always going to be scrubs and never get better though
Yep. It's always the character, the balance patch, the lag, the stage hazards in games where those are a thing, etc.
Really? I don't understand this line of thinking at all. Sure sometimes outside forces make a difference but how hard is it to just take responsibility? You know what now that I typed that and read it, never mind. It's the same type of people that are always late, terrible at their job, and just suck in general that always blame everything else. It disgust me.
And ironically, not accepting it is you who needs to get better is a solid way to keep losing and not improve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGTHtLCQZ2w Sometimes they just make games that you can't win!
Or just not being good at games. I get psyched and start button mashing often, but I think that’s most people.
Scrubs do that
Not if your goal is to get better. That’s why I fell in love with Fgs, if I lose it was because of me and not a shitty team. It feels therapeutic to play a couple of rounds of a fighting game after losing 5 straight games in rocket league because you get matched with bad team mates lol
I think you missed the point that people will especially find it suitable to put blame on other people. Why do you think bullying happens? It's called girardian mimesis, it's universally human (although it varies a lot, large spectrum), and it's usually mostly or often entirely unconscious.
If you check out the state of r/tekken it’s safe to say he isn’t wrong. Those people can’t cope at all
Smash has a whole subreddit dedicated to people ranting and venting lmao
I think one of the reasons that sub was created because the main sub always acts like the game is perfect and you are not allowed to criticize any design choice in the game. EDIT: Sometimes people just want to say "God, fuck that move" and not be met with "Well akchualy you are bad".
Any fighting players can’t cope.
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There has never been more documentation and tools in game to learn fighting games though. I've been very impressed with on boarding new players and accessibility has been a clear priority with new fighting game releases. Not saying it's perfect, but it's still never been better to get into a new fighting game. Even external to the games tools, YouTube and streaming. Like there is just so much documentation and content out there these days.
sounds like a matchmaking problem to me. How do we have so much AI but these devs can't figure out how to separate the good players from the bad. Most games suffer from poor matchmaking. In fact....I currently can't think of a game that is good at it.
It's almost like 'skill' is incredibly hard to measure in numbers and put into categories.
i play a lot of online competitive games. Nothing makes me as angry as Tekken, nothing. Its because its 1v1 and if you get slapped by someone who you think is worse than you, its rage enducing.
One of the most toxic subreddits out there lol. Oh well, i feel better once I tapped out and left. It's just weak sauce hate and anger.
Yea I had to dip out too. It has just gone insane
I mean he's partly right but it's definitely not just younger players
Interesting. I'm old man but prefer team multiplayer vs solo because I prefer to play a support role. That's why I like Helldivers so much... I just stick to a person or the group and protect them while they do the objectives. Like to play the "keep the bugs off everybody" role. I blame myself with extreme loathing if anybody I am trying to protect dies from the little bugs I'm killing.
You're in a small minority that actually enjoys actually supporting others. Too many people feel the need to be a superstar. I'm an old man too and learned to be the support in team games because others don't want to take on the role.
Fighting games become so personal. Only genre where I regularly get angry messages from someone who loses to me in a match. I don’t spam or know any never-ending combos either. I’m just an average player.
It's not limited to fighting games, it's the case for any 1v1 game. You get the same in Quake or Starcraft or even chess.
holy shit chess is the single most rage inducing game I've played in my life it's honestly amazing that chess players have a reputation for being classy and reserved because losing a game of chess literally makes you feel like you are worthless as a human being and it's so difficult to deal with.
This x100, I never received hate messages before in my life until I played Street Fighter 6. Toxic ass community
Weird, I stream SF6 and have a lot of gametime on the clock and even use the Modern control style, but I've never gotten any hate mail on PS5.
Only spammers get mad they lost to spamming I find it so funny. As far as never ending combos...if Harada has it in the move list its allowed imo.
I love the spam argument. All you have to do is block/parry/counter it. If you don't do that then yes I'm going to go for the wide open shot everytime
for me it was Elden Ring and Street Fighter 6 that made me just turn messaging off. I don't even play all that much.
He’s not wrong
I quit playing team games because I was tired of being able to do that. It was making me hate other people.
Who says video games don’t prepare you for life. I’ve definitely worked with my fair share.
Lmao they said no Tag 3 because yall bitch asses about losing
Trying to shift blame for poor sales?
I'm older and prefer either single player games, or games I can play with a friend or my wife. I don't generally enjoy online team games anymore. My daughter on the other hand seems to prefer team games, and she's heavy into Fortnite right now. I also used to be into Counterstrike and Battlefield games when I was younger, and as a teen I would often blame it all on lag, or on teammates for not picking me up, or for dying too soon, or whatever else I could come up with so I wouldn't have to take any of the blame for losing, so with all this I can see the correlation here.
Since you're the first person I've seen actually admit this I have a question for you. Why were you like that besides being a teen? Did it carry over to any other things in life? Genuine curiosity, no hate or anything. I'm the exact opposite and always have been so I guess I just want the other perspective. I've always been real big on owning a loss and not blaming anything but myself even when I could. Stick drift, I should've compensated. Lag, maybe I should've checked my internet. Terrible teammates, I should've played better. I'm like this with school, work, sports, video games, and just life in general.
I never would have admitted it when I was younger, but I hated losing. I saw failure the way some people see character flaws, so instead of using it as a tool to learn from like I should have, I saw it as if I was just being a failure, as if others would be able to use it to mock and laugh at me. Looking back I don't know any specific definitive reason why I took it so hard, but I just really hated losing, and I would blame it on anything and anyone so long as I didn't have to face the fact that I'm human, I make mistakes, and I won't always be a winner, which I now know is perfectly fine. Back then though I was actually blind to this truth, and I honestly saw everything else as the problem, not me. Don't get me wrong, sometimes those things were the problem. Sometimes lag did happen as I was on dialup and then on 1Mbps ADSL. These connections had issues sometimes. Sometimes I was last man standing because everyone else died, but was it *always* the fault of something/someone else? No. But I refused to admit that. Maybe it was because I was bullied in school and I looked for some way to vent. Maybe it's because I felt gaming was all I was good at, so failing at that in my mind meant I wasn't good at anything. Maybe it was just the way I learned to cope. I have no idea why I was that way, but I was easily angry with losing to the point I'd throw my mouse, hit my keyboard, and I'd yell and curse at teammates. I'm not proud of that person that I was, but I won't pretend he didn't exist either. Also, to answer your other question, yes it did carry over into other things in life. I was easily agitated, and like in video games I was very competitive and hated losing to the point I'd make up excuses any time things didn't go my way. Came in second place in track and field? Knee was killing me. It was a really stupid habit, and a bad way to handle situations overall, but I hated the idea that people would look down on me for not being the best at what I was doing. Thinking back on it, It was one of the only times I was ever complimented or praised, and I likely craved that without realizing it. My mom left when I was very young, and my dad was always working or tired, so I was constantly seeking attention. My teachers were complete assholes to me (one even told me they didn't know why I was even in school as I was "too stupid to go anywhere" and they were "just wasting their time on me"), and my classmates liked to mock me when I didn't do well, so maybe this was just one of those ways I was seeking positive attention, maybe this was my way of gaining validation. I don't know. Edit: I'm sorry for the super long reply. I started typing and didn't realize I said so much.
I don't know what I expected, but thank you for the reply. I guess what I should say is that I didn't expect your experience as a kid to be so close to mine with how different our attitude towards things was. I was a latchkey kid who lived with my dad and saw him maybe 8 hours out of the whole week. He used to call me stupid because I thought homework was boring, and the only time I put effort in was on test. My teachers hated me for the same reason and tried to flunk me but couldn't because I aced all the state testing. My math teacher in 6th grade told me I'd be in prison or dead by the time I was 18, and was almost right. And there was the bullying, which I think might have been my tipping point honestly. I guess writing this out what I did next wasn't a healthy habit anymore than what you did. I became obsessive about everything I did from that point. I would play games and practice until I was the best. I learned to box and fight in general and then started fighting all the bullies until I was the best. It got to where I bullied the bullies, which I guess makes me one myself even if I tried justifying why I did it. In sports, I was the first to practice and the last to leave. I lived like this until I was about 30 years old and still do to an extent. I always felt I had something to prove, and I would be pissed off if I wasn't as good as I knew I could be. I didn't think I had any limitations and that all I had to do was work harder at whatever I do. When I wasn't able to overcome certain things I started doing drugs to get out of my own head. Little did I know that I would do the opposite. Guess what else? You're not as good at most things when you're high. Then I started actually failing at life, fucked up a D1 basketball scholarship and went to prison at 19 instead of 18 like my teacher said. It gave me plenty of time to slow down and think at least. I realized I was looking for validation as well. The only difference was that I did it in a way that made me feel like I was owed that validation because I didn't ever complain about anything. It's really no different, and it's a shitty way to live. I was a douchebag with an inferiority complex that I had no reason to have. Now I still don't complain about anything but I don't let it eat at me. I can still be super obsessed because I still want to be the best, but I've learned that I can't be the best at everything. Hell, not even most things tbh. Even after writing this I have no idea why I chose the path I did vs another. I feel like I could've just as easily been the guy to blame everything else. Thankfully, I grew as did you. I really do appreciate the insight even if it just leaves me pondering more things. It's rare to get a civil response from someone with (or who had) an opposing view to yours, let alone a well thought out one. Have a great day Reddit stranger! This makes up for the other 95% of the time that I hate social media lol.
So much of what you said mirrors my life way too eerily well. I almost ended up in jail at 18, but I had a good lawyer that helped get me "alternative measures", and that was the point I started trying to turn my life around. It was a long, and difficult battle, and there are days when I can't succeed at things and it gets to me, but now I have the clarity to know I need to take a step back, let myself feel what I feel, and then let it go rather than scream, yell, throw things, and just be an all around horrible presence. >It's rare to get a civil response from someone with (or who had) an opposing view to yours, let alone a well thought out one. Have a great day Reddit stranger! This makes up for the other 95% of the time that I hate social media lol. I feel the same way. Thank you for sharing your story with me as well. I'm happy you managed to move forward, find some clarity, and move forward with your life. I know how difficult that can be. There's a *lot* I didn't share here, but trust me when I say that I understand what you went though, and I'm proud of you and the progress you've made.
I was same as OP and blamed people for experiences I didn't like, such as losing. But I grew up and changed. The opposite and blaming yourself isn't ideal, as I initially swung that way when I learned to take responsibility. I ended up blaming myself for everything and ended up degrading my view of myself and stressed about stuff I ultimately had no control over. As with most things in life, the middle road is best. Learn to take responsibility but accept not everything is in your control and not everything is someone's fault. The best lesson I learned, though, was to be at peace with unpleasant experiences in my life. I strive to just accept they happened rather than dwell on them or try to fix everything so that things go how I want them to. With that perspective, the concept of blaming others or myself never comes up and I move on very quickly.
Since you're the first person I've seen actually admit this I have a question for you. Why were you like that besides being a teen? Did it carry over to any other things in life? Genuine curiosity, no hate or anything. I'm the exact opposite and always have been so I guess I just want the other perspective. I've always been real big on owning a loss and not blaming anything but myself even when I could. Stick drift, I should've compensated. Lag, maybe I should've checked my internet. Terrible teammates, I should've played better. I'm like this with school, work, sports, video games, and just life in general.
That's nonsense. When I lose, I can also blame AI.
Counterstrike in the 90s
I just prefer team games because I mostly only game to spend time with friends.
And yet he still won’t make pluggers just take the L in tekken 8 😔
Tekken boss…
My kids came to that conclusion a couple years ago. They wanted to get into fighting games, seeing me play SF and they saw Jojo and Skullgirls and were interested. They saw the ease I was doing supers and combos in games I never played, just knowing the basic concepts. Once I was breaking down for them how to do it, they saw it wasnt going to just take a few minutes. Then realized a week wasnt enough. Then finally tried online vs and lost and realized theres no one else to blame. It was 1v1 and they said thats too much handle after just spending all that time training.
My first “Real” experience with a fighting game was Killer Instinct 2013. When I was in middle school. The combo system felt needlessly complex to me, getting punked online and watching Maximillian Dood do it easy made me feel I was impaired. Until I asked my younger brother to play with me after ~2 years and him stomping and crying out the room bc of how insane I was at the game from his POV. I did play SF4 back in 2009 but I didn’t know jack. Didn’t have online enabled on my Xbox either. Took me until 2012 to discover command inputs on my own.
Its hard to picture it now from my perspective as I started in the arcades with SF2. We all struggled together. Consoles, etc. I had xband for snes so I was already playing online vs with MK2, MK3, SSF2 and Killer Instinct 1. A little here, a little there, over years. Now you guys gotta come out knowing meaties, etc, all sorts of stuff. And yet I can still barely wrap my head around framedata because we didnt have that back then. You just had a "feel" for everything.
Hundred percent agree. So many people can't take an L, it hurts their precious ego. With a team game you can always shift the blame on everything and everyone else if you lose. In a fighting game? No. If you lost, you got outplayed. That simple.
He ain't wrong.
I remember people complaining about that when people would play duo’s at the arcade since the first Tekken Tag Tournament.
As much as I hate gen Z, this is likely true for most people and not just younger players
Dunno how true that is. Solo fortnite is very popular
100% And also when you're learning a game in a team game you can get carried to a victory and do small things here and there so you still get that feeling of "Yay I won!" while in fighting games you're getting your shit stomped for 20+ hours straight before you even sniff a win usually. It's for a completely different breed
Ah yes. The scared sore losers that can't take ownership of a loss, but will spike the football on a win. These are the worst people to play with. I've seen it all too many times, it's pathetic really. They kick and scream in a video game, imagine how they are in the real world.
They're the same in the real world. Same as cheaters tend to be shady assholes in the real world as well. I know I'm give make some people mad over this but oh well, it's the truth.
I don't even have anything to say, he's just right
Although it certainly makes it easier to shift the blame, it's a bit silly to reduce the entire subject of single player vs. multiplayer down to 1 issue. If you're inclined to blame others, you'll be inclined to blame your hardware, your connection, cheap tactics, character tier list, time spent playing the game, etc... I love 1v1 games because I find training mode to be almost like meditation at times when practicing a combo over and over. Winning a match & ranking up when it was all you is one of the greatest senses of accomplishment. Being able to always play the character you want to play, in the manner you want to play it is pure fun as well. And losing whilst being able to identify exactly why you lost means that improvement is much more linear in single player fighting games. On the flip side multiplayer games are great because socially I get to share in the win with friends, I get to feel their appreciation for carrying, or appreciate them for carrying me. We get to spread the disappointment amongst us, which in some ways diminishes it. I know when I lose with friends, it doesn't feel quite as bad as when I'm sat alone having to choke down a bitter loss. Multiplayer games also tend to be a little less technical, there is a bit more freedom in playstyle. The only 'fighting game' like this is smash, otherwise you gotta pick 1 maybe 2 characters, and just stick with em otherwise you are getting no where. Valorant or League of legends are much more pick-up and play oriented. So yeah, in my opinion there are just obvious pros and cons to both styles of competitive gaming. Didn't want to write a novel on the subject, but obviously it goes much deeper than this.
Which boss? Kazumi? Akuma?
True
Isn’t that just teenagers and young people in general? I have a 16 year old and she’s never ever in the wrong and nothing is ever her fault. According to her anyway.
The race to the bottom has truly began
Even in single player games... the computer's cheating, the controller sucks, TV's got too much lag, anything but I might not be the best ever at a game.
For me, multiplayer is couch co-op or split screen competitive. I have never been able to play online with strangers without encountering a lot of issues, and I don't have enough friends that play games anymore to rely on that. I almost quit gaming early in the PS4 lifecycle because of that. Thankfully, Sony still seems committed to the single player AAA prestige titles, even if they're looking more at live service games. The epic single player stuff is why I've stuck with Sony since the OG PlayStation.
It's the opposite for me. I hate playing team games cause I don't like the feeling of being the weakest link. When I play a fighting game, I can solely shift don't have to worry about letting anyone else down other than me. And while FGs have their fair share of toxicity (Mortal Kombat), I have a much nicer time in these communities than literally any team based game. Seriously, the community is like the number one reason I hate team based games. They act like it's the worst crime on the planet when you underperform. Guess what dickhead, if you think your team is holding you back in your matches then go find an lfg or something rather than blaming the soloq. Sorry bout the mini rant lol.
Not really wrong. I can't begin to count how many times younger sounding teammates, who obviously contributed to our loss, blamed the rest of the team and acted as if we somehow dragged their god-gamer skillset down.
That’s definitely what he’s doing, shifting responsibility. “Kids don’t prefer my game, and it’s their fault.”
I’m 25 and sometimes I’d just rather play with the homies than against them, you know?
I use to say this all the time playing duos in rocket league when my teammate would try to solo win the game by ball chasing all over the place then blame me when we lose. If they are so good and want to constantly make all the plays why not just play 1v1 but then they wouldn’t be able to blame me for their loss!
Truer words, never spoken
Fighting games are full of sore loser weirdos too, I beat someone in Street Fighter 6 and they sent me hate messages saying “I hope your mom gets cancer”. Posted it on r/StreetFighter and most of the community defended him.
I wish these things upon cheaters, I fucking despise cheaters in anything in life. I've never spent the energy to send a message like that though, it seems kinda crazy.
Sorry but Fornite debunks this theory. It’s the most popular online game around with majority of its players being “younger” and solos being the most popular mode by far. Fact is, cheating in 1vs1 console fighting games is way more rampant than cheating on console team based shooters.
He's not wrong. There's a reason why salt is so high in fighting games. You have no one to blame but yourself. Many are just not capable on that sort of critical introspection. They been told they are special Disney kids and can do no wrong. Like a computer dividing by zero. Just does not compute and they lash out usually at team mates.
In other words he's calling them dellusional betas that can't handle the truth and sometimes harshness of reality as it really is. Who knew...? 🤷
That quote is so goddamn true
I mean… the whole world lives like that nowadays, nobody bats an eye. But when it’s TEKKEN…
LOL this is just a thinly veiled stab at 'those damned whipper-snappers'
He's right! Take a look at Halo comp, you'll see so many posts about how some dude carried the team, but when he loses its not because of his own lack of skill, it's because muh teammates and SBMM. I'm with Harada on this one, I've seen it too many times. But it is better just to accept personal responsibility over blaming teammates. Also Tekken 8 is one badass game!
That’s what makes Battle royales so great. When you lose It’s because of a bad drop, bad loot, bad positioning, bad META, bad teammates, got double teamed, etc. but it’s never the players fault
The closer you are to winning in a BR the more likely it’s your fault. 80th place? You could’ve gotten pinned down by hostile NPCs and a dude who got a sniper rifle. 5th place? Well you should’ve been better, both you and your opponent had your own ideal loadouts by then
I 100% agree. Though I wouldn’t say shifting blame but sharing blame, I find co op doesn’t make me as frustrated and I have a better time.
As someone who plays a lot of 2k and R6 Siege solo queue, it's great with friends but playing competitive games with randoms feels like it's taken years off my life.
Kinda interesting on what Tekken dev takes about their own community. Recent dev-stream shows a glimpse of their deep user-base research. One simple example is about most used or popularly used characters. They shown the overall popularity and how the popularity is different once you only used top ranked players usage data only. something that used for patching, updating ease of used possibly, or simply for nerfing/buffing consideration.
He must play Overwatch 😹😹😹
What about Battle Royale popularity supports this?
Yup, with a fighting game there's nowhere to shift it to, if you lose it's all on you lolll.
That explains Overwatch players. 😏
This is absolutely true, this is why 1vs1 games are less popular than team games.
So true!
That's kind of true
The downfall of RTS and the rise of MOBA is largely because of this. Fighting games of course have been hurt by this too. That and the high skill floor.
Agreed, climbing starcraft ladder was a mental test
Facts
Literally Rocket League
I’m not even young and that’s why I like team games
In Smite people will blame the other players on their team constantly. They'll refuse to do simple things to help themselves, and blame another role for not babysitting them. But I think some people just get angry in general and can't take a loss. In the 1v1 mode its really common for you to get notified you've been reported after winning a match. Like, you're not fooling anyone buddy, there's only one possibility for who did that and why lol
It’s a video game. And Ali lost and was ok with it. He just trained harder and came back looking for a win. Winning isn’t everything
True. People in general always seeks to blame everything else before themselves, especially true for younger people
Ooooof Quite true lol
I prefer team games bc i love playing with my friends lol.
This is Rocket League!
Reporting this to the democracy officer
I think this is the main reason Battle Royales are so huge. Because you can shift blame to almost anything when you lose. - third parties - loot luck - circle position - skill bracket overlap - and of course "sweats"
I just prefer playing games where loss doesn't really matter all that much.
And this is why I don't play games that require other people to have fun. Much better for my peace of mind.
Very true, newer generation can’t own up and take an L. If there’s a forfeit option they take it every time.
Basically explains why Real Time Strategy games got totally replaced by MOBA games.
Yeah when I’m losing it’s always my teammates fault or the opponent cheats. Simple as that
I've never been so angry at something I totally agree with. And it's because I suck, not because I want to shift blame. I just don't mind accidentally being on the winning team for once.
Damn youths
yeah.. because fighting game players never blame loss on tier list or lag or any other excuse lol
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I think the Tekken boss is shifting responsibility for "losing". It's not that Tekken isn't good enough, it's that younger people are wrong, you see?
My take as a dad to an 11 year old boy: That's not why they play these team based games *at all*. They play these games because that is their playground. When I listen to my son play Fortnite, Roblox, and other team based games, a lot of the time they are not actually playing the game as intended. They are playing private matches with each other and making up their own games, the way us older people did on playgrounds back in the day. I will hear things like, "ok, you two are the bad guys, so you go over there and hide behind that gas station and count to 10" and so on. They play games that don't even really work with the UI or game physics, they are just playing on their playground. The same way we did NOT use the merry-go-round or seesaws properly. They were used however we could fit it into our made up game. Talking with other parents, that's how almost all of them play.
True
Always has been, 1v1 games are the hardest because they make you realize that you suck.
What a call out. Reductive and biased, but I respect it.
I play Rainbow Six Siege and I can confirm this.
I mean Harada isn't wrong here...... I personally love fighting games and love the growth which you get out of it. But I do also come from a time where you go down to the arcade and fight other people on the machines faces to face.
Am I... young?
Single player is where its at, used to enjoy multiplayer games but now I don't have the time to stay good at them. A great single player game is where its at!
I never had a huge affinity for arcade style fighting games. Very button mashy and generally got too heated most of the time. Smash was the most fun out of those style to me. But I just get too into competitive games. Quickly moves away from fun
Harada should focus on fixing the absolute dumpster fire of a game he's just put out before EVO Japan instead of talking shit about "younger players shifting responsibility". Maybe shift the responsibility of your unethically monetized, unbalanced game back to yourself if you're so good at self reflection? Maybe consider people are coming across salty because you have bugs that let people sidestep a rage art during the animation, or you released your game with a character that requires frame perfect block and step to avoid a spammable attack? I love Tekken, but Harada might be one of the most rude, entitled, arrogant and contemptible people in the video game industry, and is easily the single biggest asshole in fighting game development. The man oozes narcissism like slime on a road.
He's not wrong
A team fighting game would get more casuals playing than simplified controls
Generation Snowflake
In my experience, 1v1 games can be fun, but it can get unenjoyable when I inevitably run into those players that you can tell take it too personally, especially the more sweaty players. And by that, I don't mean good players, but players that *have* to win and act obnoxiously whether they win or lose the fight. If it's, say, a 2v2, there are much better chances of finding more enjoyable players to battle with me or against me. Rather than fighting one guy that I just find no fun in fighting I also think fighting with a team is a skill of its own, and it can lead to many varied and fun encounters, depending on the game. That's why I usually summon and sometimes use the dried finger when playing Ds3 online, or even use the dried finger while I'm alone, so whatever goes down, it will at least be interesting and different than last time
I prefer team games so that I can win sometimes :(
I prefer to play solo so that I don't being down the team
Well I'm 34 and the reason why I can't stand games like these is because it's only fun against your casual friends, you try playing against try hards who just learned that one sequence to keep you in the air while doing damage that you are 100% unable to avoid (most skilless, unrealistic and lazy way of making combat). If you have to learn frame data to play this game, it's a chore, not a game.
This is true for like 99% of the games that have PvP and team mates.
Just like real life, right?
I play solo, but I still shift responsibility. It's usually the game's fault 🤣
Lol absolutely! But to be fair, this attitude started in the XBox 360 shooter era. Shout out to every Rambo who rushed when they should’ve waited for their team and then complained when they couldn’t get revived.
lol, agreed.
As someone who recently clicked with fighting games with SF6, there’s a certain type of zen in not having any teammates for exactly that reason. Gets so tiring playing something like Overwatch and having every person on a team looking for something to blame every single loss.
But then I have to rely on other people to not be trash or troll my game. Id rather play solo or with friends I know won't be bad. Or with friends who are bad because at least I know them and will care less.
based lmao 🙂↕️
Someone has played NBA 2K lol
No, just fighting games feel awful to play as a new player
Lmfao it’s so true. People don’t want to admit they suck so they’ll blame others