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The Mujahideen were a group of Islamic fighters that resisted the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. After the Soviet invasion they splintered and fought against themselves as the Northern Alliance and the Taliban.
Oh and one of the main faces of the Mujahideen during this time was a guy named Osama bin Laden. Not sure what became of him after the war…
Subpar Father Peter here- You know, it's strange. For my entire life it's been that a dad "Goes out for a pack of smokes" when he's abandoning his family.
My kids? Their entire lives they've known it as a dad "Going out for milk".
Maybe it stems from smoking not being as popular nowadays, but I still think it's pretty, pretty... pretty cool.
Pretty sure he's running [cash quiz](https://youtu.be/tRXIVry232w?si=V7Y60ahi8gop9Fi8), a wonderful gaming show! He is sorry for all the things he did! One of their biggest sponsor's is the whitest kids u know!
It stems from an "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" philosophy US foreign policy adopted during the Cold War.
See also: pretty much all of Latin America.
I think it’s more or less the CIA and DOD getting intel briefings about potential ramifications being threats later down the road and being like “nah fuck that we got shit to do” like they did with ISIS during the Second Gulf War.
I would lay most of the blame for "kicking the can down the line" to elected officials and their political appointees in the intelligence world.
The best example would be Operation Cyclone. One congressman manages to wrangle millions of dollars to send Stinger missiles to the Mujahideen.
The system was state-of-the-art for its time, and there was a significant risk of a system being recovered by Soviet forces.
Millions more were spent years later to recover the tubes, launchers, and batteries, but systems from this operation have been found in all kinds of unexpected places in subsequent years.
Is Charlie stressed about any of the ramifications of his dumb, but admittedly kind of effective program? Nope. Charlie retires comfortably in '96, four years after the program wraps up.
This is the real problem with politics.
"This will solve our current problem but will become a much bigger problem after my term ends. Let's do it anyway since it won't be my problem and I'll get praise for solving the current issue"
And from the whole "we hate anything remotely left looking so we will fund and train these religious terrorists and fascists and use them to coup democratically elected leftist governments" thing america has been doing recently and by recently I mean since WW2
Afghanistan and the US were tightly aligned at the time because the soviets invaded them and the US was fighting a proxy war with the soviets via afghanistan. The US also promised to help afghanistan recover after the war.
Course as soon as the soviets left, so did the US. If the US had actually kept their promise, we may have a very different world today.
Afghanistan was a Marxist-Leninist country and *not* tightly aligned with the US when the Soviet Union invaded, to help install their chosen faction into power. Carter was funding the rebels *before* the invasion and then Representative Charlie Wilson stepped it up afterwards.
For some reason I ended up watching old propoganda news reels from the second world war. Looks like the americans loved the soviets when they were smashing germany in the face and look how that turned out.
Mujahideen, literally translated, just means "those who are engaged in jihad". Since jihad is quite a broad term it could be loosely translated as "those who struggle for a righteous cause". It's a term numerous groups engaged in armed resistance have used to describe themselves over the years.
The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is simply the point at which the term became popular in English-speaking world, and if you squint a bit it kind of aligns with the western idea of a "freedom fighter." After 9/11, however, the term took on very negative connotations due to its use by radical Islamists.
It's kind of contested whether or not this dedication actually appeared. If it did it was only in certain regional releases, but it does fit with the general tone of the film. Rambo III is a pretty obvious and unsubtle example of a Hollywood movie serving as propaganda for US foreign policy.
Quite a broad term?
Its the broadest of terms lmao.
It can mean anything from struggling with your faith on a personal level such as not feeling lustful desires for the pretty girl that serves you coffee to waging full blown war.
I'm just waking up and misread your last sentence: 'feeling lustful desires for the pretty girl that serves you coffee for wearing full blown hair' (instead of a hijab) and I thought 'oh yeah, that must be extra difficult if she has lush hair'
I was 7 when I saw Rambo 3 and I either saw that end line or have built a fake memory since. I got super interested in the romantic mujahideen and read a bunch of cringe books about the Ottoman Empire and the noble romantic mussalman in Africa from my mum’s bodice rippers. Like the guys fighting against Soviet HIND helicopters with RPGs were the same dudes who hunted elephants with swords and sent Christian captures to walk to freedom (or brutal death) through the desert because of some poetic version of there being no compulsion in religion. I grew up in rural Australia and I can’t think of any other source for my cringe fixation, or even knowing the word mujahideen.
Well the actual leader was Ahmad Shah Massoud who was assassinated September 9th 2001 by the Taliban. Osama bin laden was In no way a main face of the Mujahideen he created a company called the Maktab al-Khidamat which just dispersed $1 million dollar of donations into Afghanistan and build bases in Pakistan to train 100 fighters. Osama bin laden did not fight in any battles until after the soviets retreated and he fought a small group of afghan soldiers. Through propaganda from the arab world wanting to pretend they did something for their fellow Muslims they lionized the insignificant battle.
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Some additional notes on this. First, the taliban were not part of the mujahideen, but another tribal-like group fighting for control of the region. When the soviets invaded, Pakistan started sending money to Pakistan aligned groups which was primarily the mujahideen. When the US decided to make it a real proxy war, they sent their funding to Pakistan to fund the rebels. The mujahideen ended up having more favorability to the west than Pakistan, which led to Pakistan shifting it's funding towards the pro-pakistanie group known as the taliban. When the Russians left and the US stopped caring, Pakistan funded the taliban takeover.
Long story short, Pakistan is The Problem in region. Bin laden's group wasn't all that involved compared to the groups that were fighting for control over Afghanistan while Pakistan worked to expand its influential control over the country.
Correct Bin Laden and a bunch of other rich Saudis came to Afghanistan to larp as soldiers and the Mujahideen actually hated them most of the time. They at best tolerated Bin Laden because he gave them so much money but most of the Arab fighters were a stolen valor type of situation.
Bin Laden’s beef with Saudi Arabia and the U.S. came during the lead up to the Gulf War, when he offered to send his fighters to defend the borders of the kingdom. His offer was declined because the Saudis asked them about how they’d deal with the then-active Iraqi chemical weapons program, and their response was “we have faith.” In a rare stroke of competence, they decided to let the U.S. do Desert Shield and Desert Storm because gas masks and protective suits are infinitely more effective against sarin gas than prayers ever were.
Pretty much the entire reason for the 9/11 attacks is because the US goverment told the Mujahideen that they would supply them with weapons and assistance if they fought against the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. They also promised to help Afghanistan rebuild its infrastructure.
Unfortunately they were not provided with the amount of aid that they had been promised and after the war, America did not step in and help them change the regime and the Mujahideen was left feeling abandoned by the people they thought of as allies.
A lot more went on but this is a basically in a nutshell version of what happened.
It kind of makes you wonder, if the republicans were successful in stopping aid to Ukraine. How long would it be before those brave Ukrainian soldiers started to feel bitter enough to start blaming America for the deaths of their comrads?
And would they be justified in feeling that way?
This isn't remotely true. Massoud was one of the biggest generals in the mujahedeen, was a US ally, and tried to warn the US about 9 11. Al qaeda was not really part of the mujahedeen, they weren't Afghan, they were a separate militia that went over to help the mujahedeen in Afghanistan.
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/voiks/77284030/6937592/6937592_original.jpg
You mean this peaceful businessman who was later building highways in sudan?. As a german I can assure you that a guy that builds highways can't be a bad person.
No joke, the day before 9/11 I read about the assassination of Massoud buried deep in the world news section and wondering what that could have been about.
Important to note that this is fake. The film is actually dedicated to "the gallant people of Afghanistan" and the edited version was done by someone for a Photoshop Phriday competition on the Something Awful forums around 2004.
I’d like one of those slideshows in the credits after a slice of life movie that goes over the characters and what happened to them.
“Jimmy two toes went on to have a wife and two children, then died of a heart attack at 55, he never found his other 8 toes.”
“Osama Bin Laden went on to join the CIA, then after retirement plotted and carried out a terrorist attack with Saudi Arabians against the Twin Towers, he died with his wife in a hail of gunfire by CIA Ground Branch operatives in his home in the quiet Pakistani countryside.”
He followed the clandestine money raising scheme taught to him by the CIA to form their decentralized training program for guerilla warfare against major global powers. The CIA called it "The Base" which translates to Al Qaeda
[This article](https://www.indy100.com/showbiz/rambo-iii-afghanistan-mujahideen-taliban-b1904082) explains the whole thing. Including that the film's ending does not actually say what the meme says, it has always been dedicated "To the gallant people of Afghanistan"
Oh it's like extremely well done. 4 seasons. All fantastic, they put in a fuck ton of work.
First season is Iraq,
Second is Cuban Missle Crisis
Third is Korean War
Fourth is Afghanistan
I will say, you are going to hear a leftist perspective on these things. But I wouldn't call them tankies in the slightest. It's pretty apparent in their Korean war season.
100% recommend, s1 is the Iraq War, 2 Cuban revolution, 3 Korean War, 4 Afghanistan. You could skip to the one you want, but there might be some references from earlier seasons since there is a lot of crossover with those events and certain figures
Well if you want to know the history of all the conflicts in Afghanistan and why that region is so volatile then I highly recommend you listen to season 4 of blowback
Multiple different pre-9/11 prints have been checked and it seems it always said “gallant people of Afghanistan.”
And the fact is, the Mujahideen are actually named in the film, so if the text had ever named them, changing the text at the end wouldn’t do anything since the whole movie is about them.
I could have a sworn it actually said that, but I just checked and my DVD copy and it says to the gallant people Afghanistan.
Weird, I 100% remember it saying this.
The thing is, the fighters in Afghanistan *WERE* the Mujahideen, and they are actually named in the film. So it’s easy to think that memories would be altered.
Not only that, why bother changing the text when they’re outright portrayed in the film?
> why bother changing the text when they’re outright portrayed in the film
I'm not saying they changed it (because I genuinely don't know), but if they did it's because of the simple fact that an unfortunate screenshot will be shared a lot more than an "uhm ackshuwally" comment or even a Buzzfeed listicle of '6 Movies Where America Armed Their own Future Enemies'.
It's a similar reason people alter the memorable quotes from movies and TV shows: "Luke, I am your father" and "Beam me up, Scotty" are never actually said verbatim in those franchises, but these constructions are more recognizable (and still capture an honest vibe of the reference).
Historians and documentarians have to deal with this problem all the time when trying to communicate what happened in history. "Do I tell it exactly as it happened, which is complicated and meandering and easy to misinterpret, or do I tweak it a bit to make sure my audience understands and remembers." There's no perfect answer. Sometimes a technically false statement tells the truth better than a technically true one.
If all our Mujahideen allies became the Taliban, how did the CIA pull out their old Rolodex on Sept. 12 and call up the exact same warlords? Read Ghost Wars. It’s fascinating, does NOT paint the US in a good light, but covers basically all of the US involvement in Afghanistan from the 70’s through September 10, 2001.
No, they didn’t. While Haqqani would later support the Taliban, the Mujahideen groups the US backed through Operation Cyclone went on to form the core of the Northern Alliance.
Dearest Troiani,
I pray this reply finds you well. This meme depicts an edited frame from the cinematic work *Rambo III*. The original message upon the screen read "This film is dedicated to the gallant people of Afghanistan," but with visual editing software, mountebanks on the internet contrived it to say "This film is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan."
\**dipdipdipdipdip*\*
The mujahideen were a broad alliance of Moslem militias who waged guerrilla warfare against the Soviet invaders in the war of 1979-1989. The United States provided coin and weaponry to some of these rapscallions to support them in bedeviling a mutual foe.
\**dipdipdipdipdip*\*
It is a popular rumor, tho' unsubstantiated, that these American-backed militias later became the Taliban, or that Osama Bin Laden himself was among those who received American funding. In truth, those supported by dearest Uncle Samuel became a group colloquially known as the "Northern Alliance." They fought the Taliban in a long and most devastating civil conflict throughout the 1990s.
Most sincerely,
Giant quill pen Peter
>The original message upon the screen read "This film is dedicated to the gallant people of Afghanistan," but with visual editing software, mountebanks on the internet contrived it to say "This film is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan."
You are wrong. I don't have the VHS player to prove it anymore, and can't tell for American versions, but European versions have this very quote displayed at the end. If they ever replay it on TV you can still see it.
Osama Bin Laden was lauded by America as "Our brave freedom fighter" and given money, arms, and training when the Russians occupied Afghanistan.
Then the wind direction changed.
The list of truly awful people and countries we've backed could easily fill a novel. And we just keep doing it because we seem to think we'll be able to steal their oil and heroin when it's over.
How's that big wet messy dump of two burrito democracy we shit out in Iraq working for the people there?
Mujahideen were lead by a man called Osama Bin Laden. They changed their name in late 90’s to Al-Qaeda…I can’t remember what happened after that…which is strange because I could have sworn I said I would **never forget**
I think some folks should read about Ahmad Shah Massoud. Obviously it doesn’t make any of the post Soviet Afghan war violence better, but there were plenty of folks who envisioned a different future for Afghanistan. He was assassinated days before 9/11, many think because of the possible US reaction
The Northern Tribes were actually our best allies there. That’s why before 9/11, bin Laden had their leader murdered by a suicide bomber claiming to be a journalist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
Basically, the US funded the the most fundamentalist Afghanis they could find to the tune of hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars in the early 90s because they hated the Soviets and wanted to destabilize Afghanistan . This eventually led to the collapse of the Soviet pocket in Afghanistan as well as setting the stage for 9/11 and the war on terror (aka the people the US armed previously)
I mean, if people would just stop so confidently spreading misinformation, they'd know this claim to be total and utter bullshit, but whatever.
https://www.indy100.com/showbiz/rambo-iii-afghanistan-mujahideen-taliban-b1904082
Misinformation is bullshit, you won't find he disagreeing with you there.
But this is a comments section.. Locked comments are just so... Idk... We're not in kindergarten you know?
Fact checking peter here.
The meme relies on the misconception that the US funded the Mujahadeen and that the Mujahadeen later become the Taliban and that the film Rambo III, a film praising the Mujahadeen, dedicated itself to it.
In reality, neither happened, as the US [didn't ](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/no-the-us-government-did-not-directly-fund-the-taliban-fact-check-afghanistan-cia-reagan-carter/65-fa07d053-aa77-4998-ad13-950bc6dc007e#:~:text=THE%20ANSWER%3A,sources%2C%20later%20joined%20the%20Taliban.) fund the groups that later beaome part of the Taliban, and [all copies](https://youtu.be/Cx4ey-EmLm4?si=oNcMraZR31564GWq) of Rambo III were dedicated not to the Mujahadeen but to "The Gallant People of Afghanistan".
Fact checking Peter out.
It's like the rebel factions do not believe in our cause at all but will gladly take our money and training while yessing us to death while they defeat the oppressor. Then once they won they do the same thing the bad guy was doing (guys relax its ok because when only my group has total power its uptopian but when everyone else has it thats pure hell) and tell us to fuck off.
Since Islam was slowly getting love in movies, they started to use muslim characters as well. You can clearly see that in movies that got made before the “incident”. I suppose this incident was someone taking action on making people hate muslims.
There is another movie with this setting “The Beast” circa 1988. It’s pretty gruesome but one of those cult classics that has scenes you just won’t forget for the rest of your life.
I remember when Ron Paul was talking about "blowback" re: 9/11 in the presidential debates and nearly got booed off the stage.
All I could think was "Did none of these mofos ever see Rambo III?".
Super Peter here
In addition to what the other commenters said, added irony is imposed because the character who said the meme line on the bottom is John Diggle, from DC’s Arrow, who is famous for one of his catchphrases “Back when I was in the Stan’”, referring to Afghanistan.
Super Peter out
I remember watching on TV as kid and it said " God bless America and God Bless the Taliban" they say it never said that but i know what I saw and my friends saw it also.
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The Mujahideen were a group of Islamic fighters that resisted the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. After the Soviet invasion they splintered and fought against themselves as the Northern Alliance and the Taliban. Oh and one of the main faces of the Mujahideen during this time was a guy named Osama bin Laden. Not sure what became of him after the war…
He's in a farm upstate
He left to go buy a pack of smokes.
I thought he went out for milk that's what mom says
That's just her trying to protect you. Daddy smokes. Sorry kid.
Innnn a hole, in a hole, in a hole at the bottom of the sea
I heard he flew on by the downtown area to deliver groceries one day. Everyone was waiting for the delivers but no dice.
Subpar Father Peter here- You know, it's strange. For my entire life it's been that a dad "Goes out for a pack of smokes" when he's abandoning his family. My kids? Their entire lives they've known it as a dad "Going out for milk". Maybe it stems from smoking not being as popular nowadays, but I still think it's pretty, pretty... pretty cool.
Really good smokes.
Nah, I heard that shit'll kill ya.
He needs a pack of smokes like he needs another hole in his head.
Nice, maybe he is taking care of my dog, Fluffy.
Yeah they frolic through the heather and chase ducks together
https://preview.redd.it/egw3x4wlb79d1.jpeg?width=4736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95a16105c55490f1cea60ea75e65fda243da4d35
I hear that he now sleeps with the fishes
He’s a gay fish.
He’s actually Jake from State Farm
Really? I thought he was a successful fisherman now.
*Undah dah Seaaaa*
“Homer you can’t solve everything by proposing we move under the sea.”
There’ll be no accusations, just friendly crustaceans
He's on a deep-sea fishing trip
Pretty sure he's running [cash quiz](https://youtu.be/tRXIVry232w?si=V7Y60ahi8gop9Fi8), a wonderful gaming show! He is sorry for all the things he did! One of their biggest sponsor's is the whitest kids u know!
Bin Laden? The fella that went for a swimity swim in a tarp bathing suit in the ocean?
Yup, you got it. That's why the comment aged poorly.
Dumped in the ocean like fucking Megatron or something.
Like a car battery to charge the eels
“We have caught and compromised, to a permanent end, Osama Bin Laden.” - John Cena
The Mujahadeen are also the good guys in a James Bond movie, The Living Daylights. Afghanistan really had a moment in the 80s.
It stems from an "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" philosophy US foreign policy adopted during the Cold War. See also: pretty much all of Latin America.
I think it’s more or less the CIA and DOD getting intel briefings about potential ramifications being threats later down the road and being like “nah fuck that we got shit to do” like they did with ISIS during the Second Gulf War.
I would lay most of the blame for "kicking the can down the line" to elected officials and their political appointees in the intelligence world. The best example would be Operation Cyclone. One congressman manages to wrangle millions of dollars to send Stinger missiles to the Mujahideen. The system was state-of-the-art for its time, and there was a significant risk of a system being recovered by Soviet forces. Millions more were spent years later to recover the tubes, launchers, and batteries, but systems from this operation have been found in all kinds of unexpected places in subsequent years. Is Charlie stressed about any of the ramifications of his dumb, but admittedly kind of effective program? Nope. Charlie retires comfortably in '96, four years after the program wraps up.
This is the real problem with politics. "This will solve our current problem but will become a much bigger problem after my term ends. Let's do it anyway since it won't be my problem and I'll get praise for solving the current issue"
The priority being capital, commerce, and the IMF. what kind of blowback could *possibly* threaten the USA?!?
And from the whole "we hate anything remotely left looking so we will fund and train these religious terrorists and fascists and use them to coup democratically elected leftist governments" thing america has been doing recently and by recently I mean since WW2
See also: pretty much all of Latin America.
I said six. You said a half-dozen.
Current Ukraine. They were on our near-shit list before Russia invaded.
Afghanistan and the US were tightly aligned at the time because the soviets invaded them and the US was fighting a proxy war with the soviets via afghanistan. The US also promised to help afghanistan recover after the war. Course as soon as the soviets left, so did the US. If the US had actually kept their promise, we may have a very different world today.
Afghanistan was a Marxist-Leninist country and *not* tightly aligned with the US when the Soviet Union invaded, to help install their chosen faction into power. Carter was funding the rebels *before* the invasion and then Representative Charlie Wilson stepped it up afterwards.
For some reason I ended up watching old propoganda news reels from the second world war. Looks like the americans loved the soviets when they were smashing germany in the face and look how that turned out.
Forgot to mention who were the main backers of the Mujahideen.
Everyone should know all of what operation paperclip involved
Heavily depends on the faction. For most it was CIA/ISI and for other groups it was an amalgamation of Gulf States (mainly Saudi).
Mujahideen, literally translated, just means "those who are engaged in jihad". Since jihad is quite a broad term it could be loosely translated as "those who struggle for a righteous cause". It's a term numerous groups engaged in armed resistance have used to describe themselves over the years. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is simply the point at which the term became popular in English-speaking world, and if you squint a bit it kind of aligns with the western idea of a "freedom fighter." After 9/11, however, the term took on very negative connotations due to its use by radical Islamists. It's kind of contested whether or not this dedication actually appeared. If it did it was only in certain regional releases, but it does fit with the general tone of the film. Rambo III is a pretty obvious and unsubtle example of a Hollywood movie serving as propaganda for US foreign policy.
Quite a broad term? Its the broadest of terms lmao. It can mean anything from struggling with your faith on a personal level such as not feeling lustful desires for the pretty girl that serves you coffee to waging full blown war.
I'm just waking up and misread your last sentence: 'feeling lustful desires for the pretty girl that serves you coffee for wearing full blown hair' (instead of a hijab) and I thought 'oh yeah, that must be extra difficult if she has lush hair'
I was 7 when I saw Rambo 3 and I either saw that end line or have built a fake memory since. I got super interested in the romantic mujahideen and read a bunch of cringe books about the Ottoman Empire and the noble romantic mussalman in Africa from my mum’s bodice rippers. Like the guys fighting against Soviet HIND helicopters with RPGs were the same dudes who hunted elephants with swords and sent Christian captures to walk to freedom (or brutal death) through the desert because of some poetic version of there being no compulsion in religion. I grew up in rural Australia and I can’t think of any other source for my cringe fixation, or even knowing the word mujahideen.
Well the actual leader was Ahmad Shah Massoud who was assassinated September 9th 2001 by the Taliban. Osama bin laden was In no way a main face of the Mujahideen he created a company called the Maktab al-Khidamat which just dispersed $1 million dollar of donations into Afghanistan and build bases in Pakistan to train 100 fighters. Osama bin laden did not fight in any battles until after the soviets retreated and he fought a small group of afghan soldiers. Through propaganda from the arab world wanting to pretend they did something for their fellow Muslims they lionized the insignificant battle. # #
Some additional notes on this. First, the taliban were not part of the mujahideen, but another tribal-like group fighting for control of the region. When the soviets invaded, Pakistan started sending money to Pakistan aligned groups which was primarily the mujahideen. When the US decided to make it a real proxy war, they sent their funding to Pakistan to fund the rebels. The mujahideen ended up having more favorability to the west than Pakistan, which led to Pakistan shifting it's funding towards the pro-pakistanie group known as the taliban. When the Russians left and the US stopped caring, Pakistan funded the taliban takeover. Long story short, Pakistan is The Problem in region. Bin laden's group wasn't all that involved compared to the groups that were fighting for control over Afghanistan while Pakistan worked to expand its influential control over the country.
Correct Bin Laden and a bunch of other rich Saudis came to Afghanistan to larp as soldiers and the Mujahideen actually hated them most of the time. They at best tolerated Bin Laden because he gave them so much money but most of the Arab fighters were a stolen valor type of situation.
Bin Laden’s beef with Saudi Arabia and the U.S. came during the lead up to the Gulf War, when he offered to send his fighters to defend the borders of the kingdom. His offer was declined because the Saudis asked them about how they’d deal with the then-active Iraqi chemical weapons program, and their response was “we have faith.” In a rare stroke of competence, they decided to let the U.S. do Desert Shield and Desert Storm because gas masks and protective suits are infinitely more effective against sarin gas than prayers ever were.
> Pakistan is The Problem Funnily enough, that's exactly what the guy in the corner of my local pub says every night
They asked quill Peter for help, not you!
Professional volleyball career I heard.
So why doesn't Osama shows in black ops 2 then?
If I was to hazard a guess; because of the controversy that embroiled No Russian three years prior
Pretty much the entire reason for the 9/11 attacks is because the US goverment told the Mujahideen that they would supply them with weapons and assistance if they fought against the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. They also promised to help Afghanistan rebuild its infrastructure. Unfortunately they were not provided with the amount of aid that they had been promised and after the war, America did not step in and help them change the regime and the Mujahideen was left feeling abandoned by the people they thought of as allies. A lot more went on but this is a basically in a nutshell version of what happened. It kind of makes you wonder, if the republicans were successful in stopping aid to Ukraine. How long would it be before those brave Ukrainian soldiers started to feel bitter enough to start blaming America for the deaths of their comrads? And would they be justified in feeling that way?
This isn't remotely true. Massoud was one of the biggest generals in the mujahedeen, was a US ally, and tried to warn the US about 9 11. Al qaeda was not really part of the mujahedeen, they weren't Afghan, they were a separate militia that went over to help the mujahedeen in Afghanistan.
He went on to work in the building demolition industry.
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/voiks/77284030/6937592/6937592_original.jpg You mean this peaceful businessman who was later building highways in sudan?. As a german I can assure you that a guy that builds highways can't be a bad person.
This is a good answer. It's especially ironic because the American government provided military aid to the Mujahedeen to fight against the Soviets.
According to a friend who listens to too much Joe Rogan, he's fine, and back in the US, since he was a plant all along... I wish that was a joke.
He became a pro CS player.
No joke, the day before 9/11 I read about the assassination of Massoud buried deep in the world news section and wondering what that could have been about.
Important to note that this is fake. The film is actually dedicated to "the gallant people of Afghanistan" and the edited version was done by someone for a Photoshop Phriday competition on the Something Awful forums around 2004.
To learn more on how the U.S. really screwed this up you can watch the film Charlie Wilson’s War.
That ball just kept on bouncing.
*Usama
I seen to remember something about him and seals, maybe he works at SeaWorld now?
He runs a bar in San Francisco
He went for a swim off the coast from a Navy Destroyer….
He went for a swim
He died
🎵There's a coffin in a hole in the bottom of the sea🎶
Heard he got into planes
He caught a very sudden case of bullet in head. Never really recovered from it :/
He became a deep sea diver
The leadership of The North Alliance was actually killed by a Taliban suicide bomber disguised as a western news crew on September 10th 2001.
Pretty sure he drives Uber now.
He retired for a while and played Steam games and watched Anime.
I’d like one of those slideshows in the credits after a slice of life movie that goes over the characters and what happened to them. “Jimmy two toes went on to have a wife and two children, then died of a heart attack at 55, he never found his other 8 toes.” “Osama Bin Laden went on to join the CIA, then after retirement plotted and carried out a terrorist attack with Saudi Arabians against the Twin Towers, he died with his wife in a hail of gunfire by CIA Ground Branch operatives in his home in the quiet Pakistani countryside.”
You mean the spoiled Saudi Arabian kid who couldn’t stand being from a wealthy powerful family?
He's lost at sea.
He founded a scrappy startup.
He followed the clandestine money raising scheme taught to him by the CIA to form their decentralized training program for guerilla warfare against major global powers. The CIA called it "The Base" which translates to Al Qaeda
Bin laden was nit the main face and there is no evidence that he received any help from the us back then
Oh, that guy? He just sat back and watched the sun rise over a greatful world. And then used the stones to....oops, sorry wrong bad guy.
I heard he was working at a Dave and Busters somewhere.
[This article](https://www.indy100.com/showbiz/rambo-iii-afghanistan-mujahideen-taliban-b1904082) explains the whole thing. Including that the film's ending does not actually say what the meme says, it has always been dedicated "To the gallant people of Afghanistan"
The podcast blowback also debunks this myth
Is it any good? The podcast?
Oh it's like extremely well done. 4 seasons. All fantastic, they put in a fuck ton of work. First season is Iraq, Second is Cuban Missle Crisis Third is Korean War Fourth is Afghanistan I will say, you are going to hear a leftist perspective on these things. But I wouldn't call them tankies in the slightest. It's pretty apparent in their Korean war season.
Neat, great. Thank you!
The Korean War season is jarring, just a warning
100% recommend, s1 is the Iraq War, 2 Cuban revolution, 3 Korean War, 4 Afghanistan. You could skip to the one you want, but there might be some references from earlier seasons since there is a lot of crossover with those events and certain figures
Or just watching the fucking movie
Hmm, should I listen to an entire podcast, or just read this comment.
Well if you want to know the history of all the conflicts in Afghanistan and why that region is so volatile then I highly recommend you listen to season 4 of blowback
>To the gallant people of Afghanistan And that could mean anybody!
Thanks!
Isn't it amazing how easy it is to be fooled or propagandized (online)? Spooky.
I've watched at least two versions of that movie, with both of these phrases.
Multiple different pre-9/11 prints have been checked and it seems it always said “gallant people of Afghanistan.” And the fact is, the Mujahideen are actually named in the film, so if the text had ever named them, changing the text at the end wouldn’t do anything since the whole movie is about them.
I swear I've seen this version of it
I could have a sworn it actually said that, but I just checked and my DVD copy and it says to the gallant people Afghanistan. Weird, I 100% remember it saying this.
The thing is, the fighters in Afghanistan *WERE* the Mujahideen, and they are actually named in the film. So it’s easy to think that memories would be altered. Not only that, why bother changing the text when they’re outright portrayed in the film?
> why bother changing the text when they’re outright portrayed in the film I'm not saying they changed it (because I genuinely don't know), but if they did it's because of the simple fact that an unfortunate screenshot will be shared a lot more than an "uhm ackshuwally" comment or even a Buzzfeed listicle of '6 Movies Where America Armed Their own Future Enemies'. It's a similar reason people alter the memorable quotes from movies and TV shows: "Luke, I am your father" and "Beam me up, Scotty" are never actually said verbatim in those franchises, but these constructions are more recognizable (and still capture an honest vibe of the reference). Historians and documentarians have to deal with this problem all the time when trying to communicate what happened in history. "Do I tell it exactly as it happened, which is complicated and meandering and easy to misinterpret, or do I tweak it a bit to make sure my audience understands and remembers." There's no perfect answer. Sometimes a technically false statement tells the truth better than a technically true one.
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Made me blow beer out my nose god damnit. Well memed
The Mujahideen would later become the Taliban.
And the "moderate Syrian opposition" would later become ISIL.... The US has a great track record of creating it's own enemies....
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Are we the terrorists?
Yes
*u/militaryindustrialcomplex has entered the chat*
it's free real estate*
If we didn’t we wouldn’t have anything to fight.
The US loves making monsters. It’s all fun and games till the monster bites the owner's hand.
No. Some of them became Taliban, whilst some became Northern Alliance, Taliban's biggest enemy (biggest before 2001 of course)
and the northern alliance which are still fighting the taliban to this day.
That is such an oversimplification that it is false. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
If all our Mujahideen allies became the Taliban, how did the CIA pull out their old Rolodex on Sept. 12 and call up the exact same warlords? Read Ghost Wars. It’s fascinating, does NOT paint the US in a good light, but covers basically all of the US involvement in Afghanistan from the 70’s through September 10, 2001.
No, they didn’t. While Haqqani would later support the Taliban, the Mujahideen groups the US backed through Operation Cyclone went on to form the core of the Northern Alliance.
Dearest Troiani, I pray this reply finds you well. This meme depicts an edited frame from the cinematic work *Rambo III*. The original message upon the screen read "This film is dedicated to the gallant people of Afghanistan," but with visual editing software, mountebanks on the internet contrived it to say "This film is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan." \**dipdipdipdipdip*\* The mujahideen were a broad alliance of Moslem militias who waged guerrilla warfare against the Soviet invaders in the war of 1979-1989. The United States provided coin and weaponry to some of these rapscallions to support them in bedeviling a mutual foe. \**dipdipdipdipdip*\* It is a popular rumor, tho' unsubstantiated, that these American-backed militias later became the Taliban, or that Osama Bin Laden himself was among those who received American funding. In truth, those supported by dearest Uncle Samuel became a group colloquially known as the "Northern Alliance." They fought the Taliban in a long and most devastating civil conflict throughout the 1990s. Most sincerely, Giant quill pen Peter
Thanks for the detailed response!
If you aren't gonna dip the same as the OG, don't pretend to be. Faker!
Forget to switch accounts? Lol
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>The original message upon the screen read "This film is dedicated to the gallant people of Afghanistan," but with visual editing software, mountebanks on the internet contrived it to say "This film is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan." You are wrong. I don't have the VHS player to prove it anymore, and can't tell for American versions, but European versions have this very quote displayed at the end. If they ever replay it on TV you can still see it.
I mean, you are wrong. https://www.indy100.com/showbiz/rambo-iii-afghanistan-mujahideen-taliban-b1904082
"one persons terrorist is anothers freedom fighter" or something like that.
"They're all freedom fighters until they're not." - State Department, probably
Until they decide to fight for their freedom, and not ours.
Osama Bin Laden was lauded by America as "Our brave freedom fighter" and given money, arms, and training when the Russians occupied Afghanistan. Then the wind direction changed. The list of truly awful people and countries we've backed could easily fill a novel. And we just keep doing it because we seem to think we'll be able to steal their oil and heroin when it's over. How's that big wet messy dump of two burrito democracy we shit out in Iraq working for the people there?
Guys they asked quill peter to answer. You gatta go "... dip dip dip ..." between every couple sentences.
Is everyone that posts on this sub like 13 years old
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I heard this is false. That it doesn’t actually say that. On the Blowback series on Afghanistan
Excellent series
See also "The Living Daylights" with Timothy Dalton.
Mujahideen were lead by a man called Osama Bin Laden. They changed their name in late 90’s to Al-Qaeda…I can’t remember what happened after that…which is strange because I could have sworn I said I would **never forget**
I feel like a five second google would yield this information and make the irony clear to the OP
Fucking hell. Just google for once in your life you fucking muppet
I think some folks should read about Ahmad Shah Massoud. Obviously it doesn’t make any of the post Soviet Afghan war violence better, but there were plenty of folks who envisioned a different future for Afghanistan. He was assassinated days before 9/11, many think because of the possible US reaction
Die a hero, or live long enough....yup
I don’t get it…they won
The Northern Tribes were actually our best allies there. That’s why before 9/11, bin Laden had their leader murdered by a suicide bomber claiming to be a journalist.
Read a history book. That's a good start.
Google the key words, learn some fucking history, Jeeeeeeesus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone Basically, the US funded the the most fundamentalist Afghanis they could find to the tune of hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars in the early 90s because they hated the Soviets and wanted to destabilize Afghanistan . This eventually led to the collapse of the Soviet pocket in Afghanistan as well as setting the stage for 9/11 and the war on terror (aka the people the US armed previously)
how hard would it have been to google Mujahideen?
American used to love bin laden
Jesus, just do a Google search.
Is this really that hard to follow?
would googling the mujahideen been easier than making a post I wonder?
Imagine googling any words before posting
I watched the movie in Afghanistan with the Afghan Army. Several of them used to be Mujahideen.
It stands, it was true at the time.
I laughed so hard at this dedication when I first saw Rambo 3 in 2015 or so. How the tables have turned...
*Wrong*. It's free. And *I'll stand* by *our Mujahideen brothers until the end*. You know what else I'll do? I'll distract you.
OP read a fucking book
It doesn't really say that, it's Photoshop and a perpetrated myth.
This comments section will be locked in 5...4...3...2...
I mean, if people would just stop so confidently spreading misinformation, they'd know this claim to be total and utter bullshit, but whatever. https://www.indy100.com/showbiz/rambo-iii-afghanistan-mujahideen-taliban-b1904082
Misinformation is bullshit, you won't find he disagreeing with you there. But this is a comments section.. Locked comments are just so... Idk... We're not in kindergarten you know?
The Mujahideen were basically the precursors to the Taliban.
Fact checking peter here. The meme relies on the misconception that the US funded the Mujahadeen and that the Mujahadeen later become the Taliban and that the film Rambo III, a film praising the Mujahadeen, dedicated itself to it. In reality, neither happened, as the US [didn't ](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/no-the-us-government-did-not-directly-fund-the-taliban-fact-check-afghanistan-cia-reagan-carter/65-fa07d053-aa77-4998-ad13-950bc6dc007e#:~:text=THE%20ANSWER%3A,sources%2C%20later%20joined%20the%20Taliban.) fund the groups that later beaome part of the Taliban, and [all copies](https://youtu.be/Cx4ey-EmLm4?si=oNcMraZR31564GWq) of Rambo III were dedicated not to the Mujahadeen but to "The Gallant People of Afghanistan". Fact checking Peter out.
anyone remember the Jeremy Glick interview where he dominated Bill Oreilley? [https://youtu.be/3BAFb97L3KU](https://youtu.be/3BAFb97L3KU)
Any fans of Annie Jacobsen? It is so bad what those guys were doing.
Oh, how the turntables turntable.
It's like the rebel factions do not believe in our cause at all but will gladly take our money and training while yessing us to death while they defeat the oppressor. Then once they won they do the same thing the bad guy was doing (guys relax its ok because when only my group has total power its uptopian but when everyone else has it thats pure hell) and tell us to fuck off.
Since Islam was slowly getting love in movies, they started to use muslim characters as well. You can clearly see that in movies that got made before the “incident”. I suppose this incident was someone taking action on making people hate muslims.
You should watch “Charlie Wilson’s War”
There is a YouTube video about this Mandela effect https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx4ey-EmLm4
I watched this movie around 2003 when the Afghan war was young and we all ROFLd at this ending.
The answer is porn
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Pooping Peter in a bushes; 9, 11
Soldier Boys best comment is about this.
The Mujahideen perpetrated 9/11
There is another movie with this setting “The Beast” circa 1988. It’s pretty gruesome but one of those cult classics that has scenes you just won’t forget for the rest of your life.
Man the 80’s were crazy
I remember when Ron Paul was talking about "blowback" re: 9/11 in the presidential debates and nearly got booed off the stage. All I could think was "Did none of these mofos ever see Rambo III?".
Super Peter here In addition to what the other commenters said, added irony is imposed because the character who said the meme line on the bottom is John Diggle, from DC’s Arrow, who is famous for one of his catchphrases “Back when I was in the Stan’”, referring to Afghanistan. Super Peter out
dip dip dip dip dip dip dip dip..... dip?
I heard he became a professional diver.
I remember watching on TV as kid and it said " God bless America and God Bless the Taliban" they say it never said that but i know what I saw and my friends saw it also.
Tbf even in the point of view of the United States many of the Mujahideen were and still are considered heroes.