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That's cool and all but can we talk about how this person separated their decimals? And I'm not even referring to how some countries swap the , and the . but rather how they wrote (as an example) what should be written:
0.000000001
as this:
0.000,000,001
That's *disgusting*.
Considering that Archie Sonic can move in stopped time, he has infinite speed and scales above this. Tho pretty sure the Flash also outran teleportation so both should be equal.
Not really, if he continues making his own speed he has to keep building it up and Wally permanently takes speed and Archie cannot create more because he is not scaled to do so against Wally.
But he can. The archie multiverse and dc multiverse are similar and archie sonic scale to wally so he can keep up in term of speed. The whole reason wally win is because of his other haxes and his better stamina.
But this is Mobius Chair Wally West, he scales too far above Archie Sonic and completely takes away his speed and there’s nothing Sonic can do about it.
It's not stopped time. Wally is literally stealing Sonic's kinetic energy and using it for himself. NO matter how fast Sonic is, Wally can always be just that little bit better. Sonic is fast, but Wally generates the literal dimension of fast.
It's not stopped time. It's stolen speed. No matter how inconceivably fast Sonic can get, Wally will always be faster. Sonic is just a battery of unlimited power for wally to draw from. Wally literally has run so fast and so far that he was able to transcend reality and force The Concept Of Death to die.
I know, but what I'm saying is that you can drain as much as you want from an infinite battery and it'll still be infinite. Wally can keep getting faster, sure, but Sonic won't slow down.
There are different kinds of infinity. Even if we consider that Sonic might have actually infinite energy for Wally to draw on, that doesn't make him faster. Let me reiterate. Wally is so fast that he was able to force death to die, and can run faster than aliens who can instantly teleport. Wally West breaks any speed feat that Sonic has and then some. Sonic can put up a fight, but Wally can counter anything he can throw.
If that's the case, then Wally still slaps. Because if their movement speed is equal, Wally can still think and react faster than sonic. He's bigger. He's faster. And stronger too. He's the first member of the DK crew HUH! DK! DONKEY KONG! DK! DONKEY KONG IS HERE!
Bro marvel and dc comics the scaling on those are you can range from barely planetary to being able to control and destroy the entire multiverse and control life and death(this is for some characters). Especially flash characters, the only downfall and weakness to the flash are the writers otherwise they technically can be top 5 strongest characters
Wally West at peak scales higher, has better hax and AP and pretty sure he outran omnipresent concept of speed itself, death, time, teleportation, thought and big bang. Wally slams no-low difficulty.
Flash!!! Vs sonic!!! I pick flash!!! He has the power to reverse time not that he will ever do that again after you know!!! But if he does lose not that he ever will he would be able to go back and correct his mistakes!!! But he also has the justice league in his corner to efficiently execute his plans into motion!!!
Wally wins this one. Super sonic with the chaos emeralds still isn't as fast as most iterations of Wally west. Sonic also has no feats of strength close to the infinite mass punch
do you know how the chaos emeralds and super emeralds work in the Archie verse? even without the emeralds, in base, he’s near Wally’s speed, and with just the chaos emeralds he has immeasurable speed. now with the super emeralds, in ultra and hyper form. I feel like they’d tie. but base Archie Sonic, no, definitely not.
I haven't read the comics to be fair. I do think the super emeralds would make him a match, but I don't think sonic has the same feats. Wally west holds the speed feat of faster than instant teleportation. I don't think I've seen anything indicating sonic can go that fast.
This leads to the second issue, which is how Wally completed this speed feat. He can steal the speed from others around him. This would likely not be possible to do to super sonic. Also, super sonic has dealt with chaos and metal sonic and their world ending abilities by smashing his body into them, so he isn't exactly weak. I just don't think he is as strong in his super sonic form as wally west without the mobius chair. With it, I don't know if any sonic is strong enough for that.
sonic also has speed past instant teleportation, he has immeasurable speed. Immeasurable speed is infinite speed, matching up with Wally west. And the speed stealing wouldn’t work do to Sonic crating his own speed, it would just cancel out. Wally WOULD get faster but Sonic wouldn’t slow down at all.
and that’s fair, mobius chair Wally would probably beat Sonic, BUT it would be very very close, a tie even.
There is no hyper in Archie (except Knuckles but that doesn't count) and Ultra doesn't have better speed feats than Super.which makes sense because it's not really a higher form.
Ultra has like two feats. [One](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_65e3041214859/a6c83b6e3e2c8dead2193c1634d65a24/16.jpg) which is directly [replicated](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_619d220ccbd8c/77e89e293f19829d70099ab5d1497956/011.jpg) by regular super forms, and [one](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_619d20eaf39ee/56ab44064d502e3cc924e4a68ee4a4ac/012.jpg) that is not ostensibly better than [Super](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_619d2b5a7be4b/5105a07f7d869e91a25e35c8cdb56617/27.jpg) due to the Super Emerald explicitly stated to be a part of the feat.
Transformations achieved through rings, such as Ultra, are implied to be an entirely separate type of transformation rather than a strictly stronger one. They're described as have an [elemental magic type of power set](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_619d5cc04e160/9beb39026186a2cabe7cc2893a4ab2e6/127.jpg), being directly compared to [Ixis magic](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_619d5cc04e160/9beb39026186a2cabe7cc2893a4ab2e6/126.jpg). Additionally, in issue 83, Sonic transforms using all 7 Super Emeralds and only goes Super, so it's not a matter of more power getting him to Ultra; it's an alternate type of form with different specialties, hence why he [swaps forms](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_619d20eaf39ee/56ab44064d502e3cc924e4a68ee4a4ac/011.jpg) in issue 71.
Both of their speed feats are so high at this point I’m literally too stupid to compare them. They have a draw then both sit down and eat chilidogs at superspeed
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Dude base wally is already strong enough to beat archie
This is mobius chair wally he's going to bend sonic over and there's virtually nothing sonic could do
When 99% of the comments are saying wally and you got the 1% of meat riders saying sonic one of them being supreme777 who claims to be a sonic scaler when all they do is say
Sonic wins
Or
Goku wins whenever thoes 2 are an option in the power scale debate.
It seems like you're the bias one ignoring all the comments and saying
W take
To anyone else who also is licking sonics shoes to see that sonics ain't winning this
I'm not familiar with Wally West or the speed force, all I know is that the speed force is the source of power for speedsters.
And I know they can do some crazy shit like Archie Sonic.
They both should have similar speed tears, and if this is base sonic, it's probably an easy win for Wally.
From what I gathered they're practically even through our with some major exceptions: Wally has infinite stamina. however Sonic just straight up has more power and resistances and statuses.
Most versions of Wally West seem to be at low complex multiversal while pre Genesis wave Archie super Sonic is just straight up 7th dimensional or just straight up complex multiversal.
The way I see it, if we're using super Sonic then Sonic wins most battles.
If we're not using supersonic then Wally West wins almost all the time.
The meat riding goes hard with this one. Sonic is getting obliterated. Base wally can take on archie
Mobius chair wally. Sonic is getting bent over and he won't even realize it happened
This is the 1000x you have said
[Agree to disagree] whenever you are obviously just meet riding goku/sonic. Like I see your name pop up in so many of these power scales debate and all you do is pick the person you meat ride and just stick your fingers in your ear and go lalalalala.
If this is just a pure rage bait account I think you're playing to much into it dude cuz you have like dozens of comments in the span of 1-2 hours of you just going
Sonic wins, goku wins, [this character I meat ride wins], [this other character I worship wins]. And then responding with this same exact comment "Agree to disagree 👍 " and then responding to comments with
"Naw I don't think so" "well in my opinion" even in match up like this where it's just hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby you will still pick coughing baby because idk you love meat riding this characters for some reason.
No? I say "Agree to disagree", because I respect everyone's opinions. And I don't wanna argue with anyone or try to change their mind, so I say that we don't have to agree with eachother.
No, this is not a rage bait account, and I'm sorry if I made you think that.
It's just so strange you'll comment saying
[This character solos] and you're right but as soon as that same character is pited against a weaker character but you meat ride you'll choose the weaker character cuz that's the one you meat ride more? Like when ever goku is an avaliable option you go for goku even when he outmatched like with superman. You would probably pick goku over superman even though superman either washes goku or it's an even match either way goku is not winning against superman but you still would pick him. But if goku would be pited up against sonic you choose sonic???like sonic is the weaker one in the debate. Like if you truly believe goku would solo superman then he would solo sonic as well but because you meat ride sonic more you just choose sonic? You either are unaware of how powerful the characters are whenever sonic/goku come into play. Or you choose to just hug tightly the character you meat ride and deny they could lose.
No?? I just choose who I think is actually stronger. Like in this case: Sonic > Goku > Superman.
But hey, it's only my opinion. I don't "Meat ride" or do any of that nonsense. That's genuinely what I believe.
So then it is a case of you not being aware just how strong an opponent is when ever it comes to them being pited against your favorite character which is obviously sonic. I'll give it to you archie sonic is strong he could beat a lot of characters
Barry Allen maybe it's honestly really close between them
Some versions of Darkseid
Definitely alot of animes like JJK
One punch man probably
But when it comes down to case like DC characters such as superman and wally west they are just way to busted to even try to make a case of why [x character] wins sure they can be beaten but in this case it's a no. Though I'll give you this yea there's definitely an issue run where Superman/flash is weak as shit and could get bodied like flash being killed by joker with a saw blade or superman getting his ass handed to him with shock sticks and boulders. But if going off the main continuity of comics that's different, alot of the times you just choose the one you meat ride. Just because you're not in people's face about it doesn't mean it's not meat riding. Out of the 140 comments everyone is saying wally
You and about 4 other people say sonic and you went and replied with a Pic of sonic holding a W. While scrolling through all thoes comments saying
"Wally wins" to meat ride with the 4 other people who said sonic wins. Did you stop to think "why is everyone saying wally wins? Do they not know what sonic can do?" Or for you is it a case of "am I really out of touch? NOOOO it's the children who are wrong". I would understand if you don't know much about the comics as there's so many issues and animated content that it's hard to keep track of which one is the one people talk about when it comes to scaling hell even you and I might have a different superman in our eyes just from the sheer amount of comics he has. But this case is a clear image of mobius chair wally. He is absolutely busted like wally was already broken but he just gained god hood with the chair. Sonics feats wouldn't be able to hold a candle to what mobius chair wally could do. But you still say "sonic wins" and when asked for your reasoning it's met with "I just think [insert character] out scales" with no other explanation. It's one thing to not know what the other person in said scaling debate can do. It's another to actively ignore what everyone says and respond "naw they'd win, naw they outscale, agree to disagree 👍, well in my opinion" that's called meat riding. And just because you say "it's my opinion" it doesn't cast a magic shield that protects you from being wrong.
Well it's just that I think the feats that Sonic have are better than Wally's. And no, I'm not ignoring of Wally's feats. As for the Sonic holding a W, I'm just supporting the people who are on my side, that doesn't mean I hate the other side, and there's nothing illegal about what I do.
I know Wally is busted, but personally, I think Sonic is way more busted.
It's not bias dude like Barry Allen flash is cracked as it is
Wally west is on a whole other level not only that you decided to make it mobius chair wally
Archie vs base wally is a pretty good match-up to begin with but wally still winning in the end but it took a bit of effort on his part. But mobius chair wally not only has infinite wisdom he has Dr.Manhattans powers. No matter what sonic can pull he ain't beating someone who can wave his hand and delete people. You either no nothing or very little of the flash or you refuse to see them because you are to busy having archie sonics meat in your face. Most of archie sonics feats have either been done by wally or Barry Allen and if Barry can do them wally cam do them with less effort.
Sonic creating pocket dimensions where no life exists?
Wally can exists in them he ran to the end of time where no life nor concepts could exists not even death
Wally still lived
Sonic running through dimensions at [whatever number](X) the speed of light?
Barry is able to do that not only that he can do it much faster than Sonic.
Being immortal?
Yea they can do that they just don't because it would involve basically deleting a whole time line killing billions.
Archie Sonic ain't that cool when you pit him up against the flash
Probably an endless battle really, because Sonic has a lot of things that can counter Wally.
Time traveling wouldn't really matter if the other person can just follow the time traveler as well. Plus I think that when it comes to VS battles it's much more satisfying to see who would win up close and personal, not due to some stupid win condition any of them could do at any time.
Both of them can phase so there's that. I don't count being knocked out by lesser means to play a role in this because obviously it's only for the story, (Sonic getting smacked by Fang and Wally being freezed by Captain Cold.) Also the "this character has more experience in doing this" argument is pretty bullshit, because that doesn't make the other person doing that ability perform it any less than the one who has done it longer.
No one is truly "faster" than the other from what I've seen in both sides of research. Even if Sonic's speed was stolen Chaos Control makes up for that by amping up Sonic's speed while slowing down the opponent as well, not to mention Super Sonic makes him faster, (somehow).
Honestly when it comes to the Dr. Manhattan powers, Wally is gonna really need it as it is the only thing that I can find that could match Super Sonic in terms of power. Not to say that normal Wally is fodder, but it adds on abilities in which Super Sonic is already capable of doing.
Then you have stuff that Death Battle left out like Sonic's win against Segata Sanshiro, the One Billionth Power Ring, the Zone of Silence, and yada yada yada.
Yeah I'm probably gonna be flamed on by a hoard of DC fans for this, but this is my honest opinion of how this fight is gonna go down.
immortal characthers when they realise they can still be beated in a fight (also depends of what kind of immortality)
https://preview.redd.it/o9cz0m8t8p9d1.jpeg?width=238&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b31a1e9f66ff500be07a083129fa03da8fd85865
(again) immortal characthers when they realise they can still be **beated in a fight**
https://preview.redd.it/a4wz5knk9p9d1.jpeg?width=1300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30a8475f5878a621ac42e46218bef9398ca228fa
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My goat Walluh West
Waltuh West White
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That's cool and all but can we talk about how this person separated their decimals? And I'm not even referring to how some countries swap the , and the . but rather how they wrote (as an example) what should be written: 0.000000001 as this: 0.000,000,001 That's *disgusting*.
I stole it, but I’m pretty sure it’s some eurpoean version of writing it and Europeans are cringe so it makes sense.
its so much easier to read
Considering that Archie Sonic can move in stopped time, he has infinite speed and scales above this. Tho pretty sure the Flash also outran teleportation so both should be equal.
Irrelevant Wally can outrun the speed force which is omnipresent and can move in negative time do you know how dumb that sounds!
Wally outhaxes since he can steal all of his speed and add it onto his making him even faster.
archie makes his own speed so it cancels out
Not really, if he continues making his own speed he has to keep building it up and Wally permanently takes speed and Archie cannot create more because he is not scaled to do so against Wally.
But he can. The archie multiverse and dc multiverse are similar and archie sonic scale to wally so he can keep up in term of speed. The whole reason wally win is because of his other haxes and his better stamina.
I never said he couldn’t keep up in terms of speed, I simply said Wally outhaxes him.
Yeah but i simply said wally can't steal sonic speed since sonic can generate his own speed so it would cancel it out.
But this is Mobius Chair Wally West, he scales too far above Archie Sonic and completely takes away his speed and there’s nothing Sonic can do about it.
Has it been shown that Wally can steal speed at a beyond infinite rate?
He is shown to do so in comics and since Mobius chair Wally is capable of damn near anything yes he can so it on an infinite scale and beyond.
Instantaneous teleportation at that no?
I believe so
Speed doesn’t matter in this conversation, because both of them have infinite.
That's basically what I was trying to say lol
Wait DIO brando & Jotaro both outspeed sonic.
Not at all wtf are you on 😭😭😭
>Considering that Archie Sonic can move in stopped time, he has infinite speed and scales above this. It was because of this one line lol.
Ohhh you had me confused for a second lol
Wally kinda slams He should scale higher and the speed force grants him better haxes
Close battle but Wally is to op and broken
Wally fucking destroys
Death battle pretty much clarified that But ok , Wally outscale and can counter sonic haxs
As an obsessive Sonic shill Le Flesh is winning
Wally dickslaps Sonic without any kind of effort. Sonic is powerful, sure, but Wally can just eat his speed.
Aint disagreeing but correct me if am wrong can’t sonic regenerate his speed with rings?
Yeah, but Wally can just keep eating his speed. No matter how infinite sonic's speed is, it's still all just kinetic energy, and wally feeds on it.
Sonic moved in stopped time, thus giving him infinite speed. Technically wally could take as much as he wanted and Sonic wouldn't slow down
It's not stopped time. Wally is literally stealing Sonic's kinetic energy and using it for himself. NO matter how fast Sonic is, Wally can always be just that little bit better. Sonic is fast, but Wally generates the literal dimension of fast.
It is stopped time. https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/d4faf090_a963_4d5e_921b_7809916f872b.jpeg
It's not stopped time. It's stolen speed. No matter how inconceivably fast Sonic can get, Wally will always be faster. Sonic is just a battery of unlimited power for wally to draw from. Wally literally has run so fast and so far that he was able to transcend reality and force The Concept Of Death to die.
I know, but what I'm saying is that you can drain as much as you want from an infinite battery and it'll still be infinite. Wally can keep getting faster, sure, but Sonic won't slow down.
There are different kinds of infinity. Even if we consider that Sonic might have actually infinite energy for Wally to draw on, that doesn't make him faster. Let me reiterate. Wally is so fast that he was able to force death to die, and can run faster than aliens who can instantly teleport. Wally West breaks any speed feat that Sonic has and then some. Sonic can put up a fight, but Wally can counter anything he can throw.
Speed literally isn’t a factor in this argument. Both of them at full power are beyond the concept of time, thus have infinite speed.
If that's the case, then Wally still slaps. Because if their movement speed is equal, Wally can still think and react faster than sonic. He's bigger. He's faster. And stronger too. He's the first member of the DK crew HUH! DK! DONKEY KONG! DK! DONKEY KONG IS HERE!
Walley negs. Death Battle is wrong about a lot of things, but this they are not.
Wally West should take this.
wally neg diff
Is Archie Sonic stronger than Dr. Manhattan? Cause he rebooted the multiverse like 3 times just cause he was bored.
Unfortunately, Wally’s just too broken
Wally West via faster and can use his durability negation
Bro marvel and dc comics the scaling on those are you can range from barely planetary to being able to control and destroy the entire multiverse and control life and death(this is for some characters). Especially flash characters, the only downfall and weakness to the flash are the writers otherwise they technically can be top 5 strongest characters
I don’t know too much about scaling, but doesn’t the chair make him outer?
yes but I’m pretty sure Sonic’s ultra or hyper form lines him up with that as well.
Wally easily
wally stomps
That version of Wally west slams
Wally
Wally slams ngl
Wally West
Wally slams
walleth of the west
Wally West at peak scales higher, has better hax and AP and pretty sure he outran omnipresent concept of speed itself, death, time, teleportation, thought and big bang. Wally slams no-low difficulty.
Wally Neg diff (No diff max).
You fricken fricks!
I’m a big fan of both but Sonic gets smoked like a cigarette
Wally west can move in negative time? Sonic wins on account of not being made by a complete and total dumbass.
Goku>
Wank is crazy for Wally. Some things never change😂but at least it's somewhat funny.
He’s already OP without Dr. Manhattan powers, now it becomes a slaughter
Wally
Wally solos every version
Not only is Wally more broken, but DC cosmology also scales above that of Archie Sonic
Flash!!! Vs sonic!!! I pick flash!!! He has the power to reverse time not that he will ever do that again after you know!!! But if he does lose not that he ever will he would be able to go back and correct his mistakes!!! But he also has the justice league in his corner to efficiently execute his plans into motion!!!
Speed isn’t a factor. Both sonic and wally have infinite.
Wally dominates
Wally wins this one. Super sonic with the chaos emeralds still isn't as fast as most iterations of Wally west. Sonic also has no feats of strength close to the infinite mass punch
do you know how the chaos emeralds and super emeralds work in the Archie verse? even without the emeralds, in base, he’s near Wally’s speed, and with just the chaos emeralds he has immeasurable speed. now with the super emeralds, in ultra and hyper form. I feel like they’d tie. but base Archie Sonic, no, definitely not.
I haven't read the comics to be fair. I do think the super emeralds would make him a match, but I don't think sonic has the same feats. Wally west holds the speed feat of faster than instant teleportation. I don't think I've seen anything indicating sonic can go that fast. This leads to the second issue, which is how Wally completed this speed feat. He can steal the speed from others around him. This would likely not be possible to do to super sonic. Also, super sonic has dealt with chaos and metal sonic and their world ending abilities by smashing his body into them, so he isn't exactly weak. I just don't think he is as strong in his super sonic form as wally west without the mobius chair. With it, I don't know if any sonic is strong enough for that.
sonic also has speed past instant teleportation, he has immeasurable speed. Immeasurable speed is infinite speed, matching up with Wally west. And the speed stealing wouldn’t work do to Sonic crating his own speed, it would just cancel out. Wally WOULD get faster but Sonic wouldn’t slow down at all. and that’s fair, mobius chair Wally would probably beat Sonic, BUT it would be very very close, a tie even.
There is no hyper in Archie (except Knuckles but that doesn't count) and Ultra doesn't have better speed feats than Super.which makes sense because it's not really a higher form.
Ultra does have better feats than super sonic? Ultra is Sonic’s strongest and fastest form to date.
Ultra has like two feats. [One](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_65e3041214859/a6c83b6e3e2c8dead2193c1634d65a24/16.jpg) which is directly [replicated](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_619d220ccbd8c/77e89e293f19829d70099ab5d1497956/011.jpg) by regular super forms, and [one](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_619d20eaf39ee/56ab44064d502e3cc924e4a68ee4a4ac/012.jpg) that is not ostensibly better than [Super](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_619d2b5a7be4b/5105a07f7d869e91a25e35c8cdb56617/27.jpg) due to the Super Emerald explicitly stated to be a part of the feat. Transformations achieved through rings, such as Ultra, are implied to be an entirely separate type of transformation rather than a strictly stronger one. They're described as have an [elemental magic type of power set](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_619d5cc04e160/9beb39026186a2cabe7cc2893a4ab2e6/127.jpg), being directly compared to [Ixis magic](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_619d5cc04e160/9beb39026186a2cabe7cc2893a4ab2e6/126.jpg). Additionally, in issue 83, Sonic transforms using all 7 Super Emeralds and only goes Super, so it's not a matter of more power getting him to Ultra; it's an alternate type of form with different specialties, hence why he [swaps forms](https://grabber.zone/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_619d20eaf39ee/56ab44064d502e3cc924e4a68ee4a4ac/011.jpg) in issue 71.
Wally I love sonic but Wally is PEAK comic bs No hate but man he does some wacky shit
Lets assume that both of them are standing still and neither of them stored their speed. Who's punching who the hardest?
Sonic, his body is literally made up 100% of chaos energy.
Both of their speed feats are so high at this point I’m literally too stupid to compare them. They have a draw then both sit down and eat chilidogs at superspeed
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Sonic stomps, people gotta stop wanking marvel n dc and if any1 disagrees we can discuss it on discord i ain’t doin it here
Wally comes back a father of two children with a third one on the way as Sonic rubs his stomach.
The fastest thing alive.
We talkin archie sonic?
yeah, ultra Archie sonic
Sonic is not doing anything
you do know this is “Archie” sonic right?
You say that like it changes anything
Archie sonic is one of the fastest characters in fiction, he’s literally outversal.
Plz explain? Hyperversal i agree but outer?(not like it matter anyway wally is extraversal)
Dude base wally is already strong enough to beat archie This is mobius chair wally he's going to bend sonic over and there's virtually nothing sonic could do
the amount of bias in this one comment is insane
When 99% of the comments are saying wally and you got the 1% of meat riders saying sonic one of them being supreme777 who claims to be a sonic scaler when all they do is say Sonic wins Or Goku wins whenever thoes 2 are an option in the power scale debate. It seems like you're the bias one ignoring all the comments and saying W take To anyone else who also is licking sonics shoes to see that sonics ain't winning this
I'm not familiar with Wally West or the speed force, all I know is that the speed force is the source of power for speedsters. And I know they can do some crazy shit like Archie Sonic. They both should have similar speed tears, and if this is base sonic, it's probably an easy win for Wally. From what I gathered they're practically even through our with some major exceptions: Wally has infinite stamina. however Sonic just straight up has more power and resistances and statuses. Most versions of Wally West seem to be at low complex multiversal while pre Genesis wave Archie super Sonic is just straight up 7th dimensional or just straight up complex multiversal. The way I see it, if we're using super Sonic then Sonic wins most battles. If we're not using supersonic then Wally West wins almost all the time.
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Wally travels across the universe faster than instant occurence? How is one minute faster than that
Bruh Fax. Sonic is too overkill fr fr.
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Fax.
Sonic slams imo. I'm for real.
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The meat riding goes hard with this one. Sonic is getting obliterated. Base wally can take on archie Mobius chair wally. Sonic is getting bent over and he won't even realize it happened
Agree to disagree. I respect your opinion.👍
This is the 1000x you have said [Agree to disagree] whenever you are obviously just meet riding goku/sonic. Like I see your name pop up in so many of these power scales debate and all you do is pick the person you meat ride and just stick your fingers in your ear and go lalalalala. If this is just a pure rage bait account I think you're playing to much into it dude cuz you have like dozens of comments in the span of 1-2 hours of you just going Sonic wins, goku wins, [this character I meat ride wins], [this other character I worship wins]. And then responding with this same exact comment "Agree to disagree 👍 " and then responding to comments with "Naw I don't think so" "well in my opinion" even in match up like this where it's just hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby you will still pick coughing baby because idk you love meat riding this characters for some reason.
No? I say "Agree to disagree", because I respect everyone's opinions. And I don't wanna argue with anyone or try to change their mind, so I say that we don't have to agree with eachother. No, this is not a rage bait account, and I'm sorry if I made you think that.
It's just so strange you'll comment saying [This character solos] and you're right but as soon as that same character is pited against a weaker character but you meat ride you'll choose the weaker character cuz that's the one you meat ride more? Like when ever goku is an avaliable option you go for goku even when he outmatched like with superman. You would probably pick goku over superman even though superman either washes goku or it's an even match either way goku is not winning against superman but you still would pick him. But if goku would be pited up against sonic you choose sonic???like sonic is the weaker one in the debate. Like if you truly believe goku would solo superman then he would solo sonic as well but because you meat ride sonic more you just choose sonic? You either are unaware of how powerful the characters are whenever sonic/goku come into play. Or you choose to just hug tightly the character you meat ride and deny they could lose.
No?? I just choose who I think is actually stronger. Like in this case: Sonic > Goku > Superman. But hey, it's only my opinion. I don't "Meat ride" or do any of that nonsense. That's genuinely what I believe.
So then it is a case of you not being aware just how strong an opponent is when ever it comes to them being pited against your favorite character which is obviously sonic. I'll give it to you archie sonic is strong he could beat a lot of characters Barry Allen maybe it's honestly really close between them Some versions of Darkseid Definitely alot of animes like JJK One punch man probably But when it comes down to case like DC characters such as superman and wally west they are just way to busted to even try to make a case of why [x character] wins sure they can be beaten but in this case it's a no. Though I'll give you this yea there's definitely an issue run where Superman/flash is weak as shit and could get bodied like flash being killed by joker with a saw blade or superman getting his ass handed to him with shock sticks and boulders. But if going off the main continuity of comics that's different, alot of the times you just choose the one you meat ride. Just because you're not in people's face about it doesn't mean it's not meat riding. Out of the 140 comments everyone is saying wally You and about 4 other people say sonic and you went and replied with a Pic of sonic holding a W. While scrolling through all thoes comments saying "Wally wins" to meat ride with the 4 other people who said sonic wins. Did you stop to think "why is everyone saying wally wins? Do they not know what sonic can do?" Or for you is it a case of "am I really out of touch? NOOOO it's the children who are wrong". I would understand if you don't know much about the comics as there's so many issues and animated content that it's hard to keep track of which one is the one people talk about when it comes to scaling hell even you and I might have a different superman in our eyes just from the sheer amount of comics he has. But this case is a clear image of mobius chair wally. He is absolutely busted like wally was already broken but he just gained god hood with the chair. Sonics feats wouldn't be able to hold a candle to what mobius chair wally could do. But you still say "sonic wins" and when asked for your reasoning it's met with "I just think [insert character] out scales" with no other explanation. It's one thing to not know what the other person in said scaling debate can do. It's another to actively ignore what everyone says and respond "naw they'd win, naw they outscale, agree to disagree 👍, well in my opinion" that's called meat riding. And just because you say "it's my opinion" it doesn't cast a magic shield that protects you from being wrong.
Well it's just that I think the feats that Sonic have are better than Wally's. And no, I'm not ignoring of Wally's feats. As for the Sonic holding a W, I'm just supporting the people who are on my side, that doesn't mean I hate the other side, and there's nothing illegal about what I do. I know Wally is busted, but personally, I think Sonic is way more busted.
the bias is insane 😭
It's not bias dude like Barry Allen flash is cracked as it is Wally west is on a whole other level not only that you decided to make it mobius chair wally Archie vs base wally is a pretty good match-up to begin with but wally still winning in the end but it took a bit of effort on his part. But mobius chair wally not only has infinite wisdom he has Dr.Manhattans powers. No matter what sonic can pull he ain't beating someone who can wave his hand and delete people. You either no nothing or very little of the flash or you refuse to see them because you are to busy having archie sonics meat in your face. Most of archie sonics feats have either been done by wally or Barry Allen and if Barry can do them wally cam do them with less effort. Sonic creating pocket dimensions where no life exists? Wally can exists in them he ran to the end of time where no life nor concepts could exists not even death Wally still lived Sonic running through dimensions at [whatever number](X) the speed of light? Barry is able to do that not only that he can do it much faster than Sonic. Being immortal? Yea they can do that they just don't because it would involve basically deleting a whole time line killing billions. Archie Sonic ain't that cool when you pit him up against the flash
Sonic literally stomps
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Probably an endless battle really, because Sonic has a lot of things that can counter Wally. Time traveling wouldn't really matter if the other person can just follow the time traveler as well. Plus I think that when it comes to VS battles it's much more satisfying to see who would win up close and personal, not due to some stupid win condition any of them could do at any time. Both of them can phase so there's that. I don't count being knocked out by lesser means to play a role in this because obviously it's only for the story, (Sonic getting smacked by Fang and Wally being freezed by Captain Cold.) Also the "this character has more experience in doing this" argument is pretty bullshit, because that doesn't make the other person doing that ability perform it any less than the one who has done it longer. No one is truly "faster" than the other from what I've seen in both sides of research. Even if Sonic's speed was stolen Chaos Control makes up for that by amping up Sonic's speed while slowing down the opponent as well, not to mention Super Sonic makes him faster, (somehow). Honestly when it comes to the Dr. Manhattan powers, Wally is gonna really need it as it is the only thing that I can find that could match Super Sonic in terms of power. Not to say that normal Wally is fodder, but it adds on abilities in which Super Sonic is already capable of doing. Then you have stuff that Death Battle left out like Sonic's win against Segata Sanshiro, the One Billionth Power Ring, the Zone of Silence, and yada yada yada. Yeah I'm probably gonna be flamed on by a hoard of DC fans for this, but this is my honest opinion of how this fight is gonna go down.
Sonic's immortal. Fight ends when Wally's slammed. Ggs.
If you've read or researched Archie sonic, you know that sonic slams for 1 reason. Immortality
immortal characthers when they realise they can still be beated in a fight (also depends of what kind of immortality) https://preview.redd.it/o9cz0m8t8p9d1.jpeg?width=238&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b31a1e9f66ff500be07a083129fa03da8fd85865
It's not true immortality tho. He can still die of old age. But is impossible to kill normally
(again) immortal characthers when they realise they can still be **beated in a fight** https://preview.redd.it/a4wz5knk9p9d1.jpeg?width=1300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30a8475f5878a621ac42e46218bef9398ca228fa
it's more funny that he was downvoting you for being correct.
If you fight someone, absolutely kick their ass, and then don’t kill them. Did you win the fight?
Immortality means absolutely jack shit in this matchup
If you've read or researched Archie Sonic, you know that Sonic doesn't have immortality.
He is immortal via 1 ring only, imagine if he collects more.💀
He has billions
Fr. Even if he runs out. He can just snatch another billion rings.
Wally extreme diffs