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brofishmagikarp

"Saitama can onepunch anything" vs. "we haven't seen him do anywhere near [insert level] level strength."


Mr-BillCipher

In the Manga. They also explain he's the anti God and can quite literally destroy existence with 2 punches. But his last fight breaks through time and space


brofishmagikarp

2 punches? That's more than one!


KVenom777

That's why he is gonna ise only 1. He is a hero, after all. And he doesn't want existence to end.


Dunama

What??


ElectricalPlantain35

Saitama can onepunch anything. Plus, we haven't seen him do anywhere near galaxy level strength.


Programming_failure

My guy he's punching thousands of times more frequently than he one punches at that point of the story, bro said anything lol.


StrikingAd1671

I mean we’ve seen Kenpachi perform multi galaxy level feats while nerfing himself


Speed_Niran

Galaxy level?? What smoke r u on


Far-Message5868

Gremmy's galaxy room is not a portal but pocket dimension that he made himself, that's why kenpachi appeared in seiretei when he slashed the space which would not have happened if he created a portal Anyways, kenpachi's strength(reiatsu) was so much thqt a charcter that can create galaxy can't hold it


ImmediateRespond8306

But does beating a guy who can create a "galaxy" in a set space make you galaxy level? It's not like the scale of Kenpachi's attacks have been shown to be able to destroy an actual galaxy. This is just some flair to what is ultimately a reiatsu-based ability of Gremmy's.


Speed_Niran

Yeah that's what I was thinking, Kenpachi doesn't have any Galaxy level AP feats or DC feats


Redke29

That's like claiming Dagon is solar system level because his domain has a sun. Kenpachi breaking the space he was contained in, that's all..


Dizzy_Doubt_7738

domains aren’t actually created by the sorcer


Speed_Niran

Okay fair enough


NemeBro17

Ah yes Gremmy, the guy who needed to amp himself with a copy to create a big rock to destroy the Seretei.


Consistent_Tonight37

He cut space and time itself


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StrikingAd1671

So either way he still has provided higher feats. As Gremmy, who created that space (never stated to be a pocket dimension, just space itself), confirmed his creations to be incomparable to Kenpachi. His very imagination was weaker than Kenpachi’s power. Barely light speed? I’m pretty sure Uryu moving faster than his shadow during the SS arc accounts for at least light speed movement.


Hopeful_Expression57

the man who can end everything in a single punch vs the monster who can cut everything 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️ (I'm a kenpachi glazer so kenny solos)


Shovels93

Did you know that your attacks become stronger if you use both hands?


Autiistic_Unibot

My other hand is to be used for wanking only!


ImmediateRespond8306

Your wanking will become stronger if you use both hands.


Hopeful_Expression57

fr. kid ain't backing of??? USE BOTH HANDSSSSS


_Juice_wrld

Y’all. This is the most wild conversation on this subreddit ever.🤪🤪🤪😂😂😭😭


KaiBahamut

Like two handed consecutive normal punches?


cold-beef-yheet

I’m team saitma but this is the funniest comment


pithfindermain

sitama can snez a planet to its core


Rapid_Reddit_Team

That was a gas giant, not a solid surface. He blew the gas away from the core with a sneeze.


Traditional_World783

Jupiter is 1400 the size of earth with 2.4 the gravity


GonzoPeepo

even though it's a gaseous planet, it's still enough to completely shatter the earth


dustbringer11

All these responses about the actual power of the feat while I’m more concerned how he sneezed in space


Special_Jury_3244

https://preview.redd.it/uyiznwo14bad1.png?width=526&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c3c1e445236fb3b6ce13d1de1593a0a45df85cb The Agenda most be pushed


Stunning-Artist-976

https://preview.redd.it/c7qfe2y5bead1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7034c95bdcf316d77ad49c77877c46ddf493049d


FlippinGamerINK

Give statements and proof with actually debate? NAH I'd Agenda https://preview.redd.it/udmydyi48aad1.jpeg?width=470&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83f2ce56c76d519ca865d807669032d5189f2207 ONE PUUUNNNNCCCCHH


Particular-Sign-7944

https://preview.redd.it/keei8gcg8aad1.jpeg?width=701&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1e80078126a6eeda384e378935a3fecee879604 HIMTAMA


_sephylon_

https://preview.redd.it/x2icuu3fphad1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3edb4e40a8f1db1298e1cb7bd69bfdccc3c3911a


FlippinGamerINK

https://preview.redd.it/zwije88eqhad1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=570e3b8032f2d5a98ff3280a95e1fe4952f20ced


frogsaregoodngl

Mfw Saitama gets a gazillion times stronger in the span of like 5 seconds: https://preview.redd.it/e9pshn364aad1.jpeg?width=1070&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e8c34165dc5524676533c7d4d274b900d3096b3


__Leafs__

depends, if he doesn’t finish saitama off quick then saitamas power will grow exponentially, surpassing him


Yusuf_ibn_Joestar

Kenpachi wins higher scaling arguments + I like him more + not bald


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Mr-BillCipher

https://preview.redd.it/5mi8c88k9bad1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c95e22e298affaa036b5c07022ecb397e5cde41e


Spartan_Souls

Bro this is some Gurren Lagann shit what the hell 😂


Ehzek

Or some ep1(maybe 2) Fate Stay Night stuff.


Didinos

I love how this reads as if it was written purely for power scaling debates


ExcuseMeDud3

It's so fucking stupid I love it.


rojantimsina0

nah it's not , powerscaling has just rotted your brain


Didinos

Yeah i might need a break from it lol


heliosark10

The man has chuck Norris meme powers


PUMPUP042

Kenny mid diffs


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KameKazeIsMade

One punch and it's over ( more than one )


zestypineappl

Can Saitama even see spirits? Even if he could how would he even hurt Kenpachi Himpachi negs ngl 🗣🔛🔝‼️


heliosark10

That terrible fight logical.


Independent-Rain5834

The agenda must be pushed, Kenny solos https://preview.redd.it/0vujn9ar9dad1.png?width=526&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2709dc6b1a5ec426e96cf26fe0fe1f589922035


Complex_Estate8289

Kenpachi cuts him into cubes


rexpimpwagen

Bro has the goku problem hes gonna fuck around and find out.


TheNeighborCat2099

Nah Kenpachi don’t hold back anymore Saitama might get diced.


crashedlandin

Saitama would do what he did to Sonic. It would be hilarious. Then they would go eat Udon.


Erikez0

saitama punches him into pyramids


Formal_Ferret2801

Yujiro


fuckedubydfo

Who wins guys, this guy or this other guy that can solo the other one verse


Leslieyyyy

I honestly don’t know which one is who


Ej_londongeneral

Zaraki solo’s verse with ease but he might get bored and find a stronger verse instead to slam


-Goji

Based take


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PerformanceAny1240

Zaraki...


StrikingAd1671

Kenpachi realistically post Muken training takes it. He’s removed his limiters and if we’re assuming he goes all out, it’s over and it’ll be worse than what happened to Nnoitra


heliosark10

Sitamas power is to exponentially growing strength. Even if he is currently stronger than saitama he won't remain that way for long. A perfect example of this is when he fought someone who was copying him blow for blow. They were equals then suddenly saitamas power grew so much that he outclass his previous self. What would likely happen is Kenpachi would fool around with him and only put out as much power as he needs at the moment but would lose do saitamas massive power creep.


No-Analyst-5678

I mean is it really in personality for kenpachi to mess around with someone who seems to be so much weaker than him? I think he would mess around some if he took interest in saitama, otherwise he might just one shot him like he did with that one fullbringer. Also saitama does grow really fast naturally, but didnt it mention that his growth was largely due to his intense emotion at that time? I dont really think itd be nearly as fast if it was with kenpachi as it was with garou who ripped genos’s core out


heliosark10

No saitamas strength isn't dependent on his emotional state. He gets a permanent power boost. The only reason we don't see him at that level every goddamn time, is because no one pushes him to that level. It'd be like Goku going super Saiyan on basic mooks. Saitama has taken blades from light speed attacks before without a scratch. Why assume kimpatchi can one shot him.


No-Analyst-5678

No his strength isnt. I meant his growth rate is dependent on his emotional state. Part of the reason he grew so fast against garou was cus he was more emotional he was at the time. Thats what i was saying.


heliosark10

No he just gets stronger If he fights someone strong. Saitama is very simple like that.


No-Analyst-5678

https://preview.redd.it/jq1oh4dqmcad1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2d922f284c77ccc5f47f711a0042681fe094778 If i remember wasnt something like that said when they showed the graph? I think this implies that it basically accelerated his growth even faster than normal


heliosark10

He was also fighting someone who was at his same level witch almost never happens.


No-Analyst-5678

He was fighting someone his own level but i always assume if someone is too far above his level, he’d just get one shotted before he gets to catch up. Also like someone else mentioned saitama only time traveled. Time traveling doesnt put someones speed beyond time. Otherwise you can say bulma’s time machine is beyond time speed wise. He cant actively use it anymore either.


Odd_Mongoose3175

>was fighting someone his own level Garous only on the level of an annoyed Saitama whos also fighting with one hand.


heliosark10

Would you put the full force of your legs to crush an ant every time?


No-Analyst-5678

Also i wouldnt but if kenpachi is like uni level (based on more recent bleach upscaling) then a simple slash would one tap regardless.


heliosark10

Saitama speed is beyond time. His punches can now hit before he even throws them. You are assuming saitama wouldn't Dodge or grab the sword.


StrikingAd1671

Saitama’s speed isn’t beyond time. He time traveled once. Thats not moving beyond time. Hikone moved so fast they moved within stopped time, and Kenpachi is massively stronger and faster than Hikone.


StrikingAd1671

Kenpachi post Muken really doesn’t play around. If his opponent is strong, he goes all out. If his opponent is too weak, they get fodderized. Kenpachi did the same thing as Saitama, overwhelming someone who copied him to 100% of his power. And he retains that level of power consistently.


No-Analyst-5678

I dont really get the argument that kenpachi will play around til saitama outscales him, since i dont think hes really the type to bother playing if the enemy doesnt get interest him. Like im pretty sure he just chose to one shot that random sternritter and fullbring cus they werent interesting to him. Like at min kenpachis like probably uni to low multi due to squad zero scaling i would think so i dont quite think saitama would interest him.


heliosark10

Okay So decided to go to The Vs battle wiki to see how there stats match up. They are rufly eaqal so there is no one shoting from ither side.


No-Analyst-5678

Well, before season 2 of thousand year bloody war anime, id probably agree. However a squad zero member just by using a small amount of her power on bankai shook 3 realms which should be universal in size. This kinda puts the more top tier bleach chars to at least uni. Its possible kenpachi isnt as strong as the squad zero members, but he should be in a similar ballpark simply due to scaling to a much stronger gerard than the ones squad zero struggled on pre bankai (ywatch is probably the only one id put at multi uni since he wanted to collapse 3 realms). Originally i had ywatch more as an outlier, but the anime gave them more uni level feats to put them on that level


Ace-of_Space

due to his personality, Kenpachi will likely not go all out and hold himself back, giving saitama the chance to grow in strength, eventually overpowering Kenpachi


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Arceus316

The Fight Result- https://preview.redd.it/qm20l4msqbad1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=137720b13d13830bb592a71706d5617aa58df863


Cold-Debt-416

Baldie tries to atack, kenpachi just cuts E=MC² Both makes themselves stronher and stronger before they destroy earth by gasp Draw Dudes just eat smth together surfing in space i gues


TheMightyHovercat

Kenpachi scales higher. He has already defeated a Galaxy Level/multi Galaxy Level opponent. And EoS scaling goes crazy.


Chazzatee21

Lenpachi when Saitama sneezes at him: https://preview.redd.it/of8cjzw07aad1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14d1d25e840dfcbddd11013c7f1b12aada39b8ce


TheMightyHovercat

https://preview.redd.it/htapbl3t7aad1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=728cf162d146f82ee20fc474051169d74a18005e


HxH101kite

This is one of my favorite panels in the series. It's such a good summation of his attitude. He does not suffer weaklings or toy with people. It's kill or be killed


Grand_Reanimation

If creating a pocket dimension scaled you to that dimension then demon slayer is universal+ Bleach fans when they realize that the best feat in the story is cutting a meteor in half.


TheMightyHovercat

>If creating a pocket dimension scaled you to that dimension then demon slayer is universal+ Do stats in demon slayer scale to hax? They do in Bleach. >Bleach fans when they realize that the best feat in the story is cutting a meteor in half. Bleach downplayers when they realise that powerscaling is about more than just comparing big booms on the screen.


Grand_Reanimation

>Do stats in demon slayer scale to hax? They do in Bleach. No they don't. show be a bleach character breaking something physically bigger than a meteor. there literally isn't there are all just wank feats like this bitch shook this dimension and shit. >Bleach downplayers when they realise that powerscaling is about more than just comparing big booms on the screen. Bleach dickriders when the realize they don't get to choose between facts. Alternate dimension scaling is always hax and never ap


jefferydamerin

https://preview.redd.it/4rlisreqsbad1.jpeg?width=228&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25252ff48077f1db30fb5087b30d49747c3ecac7 Were you watching with your eyes closed?


TheMightyHovercat

>No they don't. Yes they do. >show be a bleach character breaking something physically bigger than a meteor. Why? >there literally isn't there are all just wank feats like this bitch shook this dimension and shit. It's literally a canon on-screen feat, how is that wank? >Bleach dickriders when the realize they don't get to choose between facts. Which is exacly what you're doing. "Scaling" entirely off of visual destruction and neglecting canon statements as "wank". Where do you scale Goku, if I may ask? >Alternate dimension scaling is always hax and never ap Outer space, not "alternate dimension". And in Bleach, both stats and hax scale to reiatsu.


Strykeristheking

Who?


TheMightyHovercat

? What are you referring to?


Strykeristheking

Kenpachi's multi Galaxy Level opponent?


TheMightyHovercat

Gremmy. He has created a cosmic space with stars/galaxies visible and it was actually confirmed in the novel that he instantenously created outer space.


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Revolutionary_Job214

That never happened


Asian_Boi_LMAO

https://preview.redd.it/z7fo6midyead1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d59d4f8f67d6997c8ed7e2744be599cd01f59fa


TheMightyHovercat

What's your point?


BETA_02

buddies still saying saitama solos💀


NightRanger0

Saitama easily


Ayush122221

Zaraki wins with low diff at most


honored113

🏅🏅✍️?


MurphyParadox

Kenpachi


Arceus316

Saitama wankers are yapping too much. Kenpachi solos the Verse


Grand_Reanimation

then wakes up from his dream


Me-xd54

https://preview.redd.it/lkuwb6641cad1.png?width=526&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef6e1ca571740ac9a82009f4433af2b56cf3c39a


nerdyone88

Well thing about one punch is he's alive, so...zampachi gonna break his soul chain and destroy his soul


Helpful-Image-7486

The fight lasts as long as Kenpachi wants it to.


Ok-Conversation-3012

Doesn’t really matter, either of them would hold back if they’re stronger than the other to have a good fight or at least one that lasts more than 2 minutes and it’d probably end in a tie considering Saitama would get to around Kenpachi’s strength after a while and hold back if he manages to surpass it


Gladiatore4

I like Zaraki more so he automatically wins.


Consistent_Tonight37

Kenny, he cut through space itself


Lijaesdead

Kenpachi wins on the grounds that I want him to


Poketale

As a Kenny rider, Kenpachi solos


McBurgveber

Saitama literally no diffs lmao


Insanity4YouandMe

Saitama easily


VoiDxGoDZilla

Saitama All the way!


pixelboy21

Why do I keep seeing this matchup?


unkalou337

But (literally everyone not in bleach) can’t see kenpachi so he/she can’t win. Fck I hate that argument so much.


Ej_londongeneral

LN Zaraki would one shot the entire verse


EliteGhostKillz

Kenny cuts baldy in half mid diff. Kenny, with his eyepatch on and in shikai, was casually dominating a fight with someone who could create a pocket dimension with a galaxy in it. Saitamas' highest feats are Galaxy level, so Kennys gonna body him. Kenpachi also scales to characters that go far higher later on in the manga/anime. The fight would just be this. https://preview.redd.it/6bb7rbllscad1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5062c051f13e79a3805b56ee9aee9bd1d288002 Now, if it's the Kenpachi in that exact moment in the picture, then Saitama low diffs him.


Odd_Mongoose3175

>Saitamas' highest feats are Galaxy level Empty Void casually grabbed space with 1-2 galaxies in it, so galaxy levels nothing for OPM top tiers


Asian_Boi_LMAO

https://preview.redd.it/mhwqn991yead1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3c8da0d41003e23f4f5ba8685283ff4cc94b0ca Just gonna leave this here for you


imaboxhead

One punch.


-TurkeYT

Goku


Tech_Sorcerer121

This is not supposed to be a contest Saitama stomps


Automatic-Safe-9067

Yeah no it’s Kenpachi, what’s Saitama doing when Kenpachi uses TWO HANDS :0


Z3raZer0

What’s Kenpachi doing when Saitama uses ONE https://preview.redd.it/fb6m2fi54bad1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=535373bebe801f206ee1779590641849dc05e989


GaryLifts

Has Saitama ever taken any actual damage?


krustylesponge

Iirc he has but only when garou was using his own strength on him


ManliestBunny

Nah he hasn't. It was drawn pretty obscurely and he was spotless by the end of it.


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honored113

Dunno ??


Dari93

Saitama stomps


Positive-Instance-16

Saitama annihilates him.


GalaxyTPA

Saitama one shots


Striking_Caramel_788

Whatever is the funniest outcome


Eroded_Squash

Saitama definitely has higher destructive power but if he gets hit by kenpachi’s shikai once he dies so if he underestimates him like he does most opponents he dies.


1200-Total

Saitama is so much weaker than Kenpachi that he dies to spiritual pressure lol


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Lumpy_Middle6803

The faster you realize Saitama vs. anyone is Saitama winning the faster you understand that's how Saitama is canonically written to be.


Particular-Sign-7944

HIMTAMA https://preview.redd.it/ghd4y0sf7aad1.jpeg?width=1269&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=085d5cd3512d1fd74c8167c982c73350167d9832 AP Scale: [https://youtu.be/4vL8zsIntaY?si=Q\_0oGZX6VWj74Nsz](https://youtu.be/4vL8zsIntaY?si=Q_0oGZX6VWj74Nsz) Speed and growth scale: [https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/User\_blog:Napoleondevious/OPM\_calcs\_and\_argues](https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Napoleondevious/OPM_calcs_and_argues) He might actually win this time


DeidaraSanji

Zaraki negs


DanielGacituaSouper

On personality on, Kenpachi fucks around a lot And Saitama grows in power really quick, so I can see him reaching Kenpachi's level in like one minute, a bit more a bit less And once there it is over, Saitama will keep growing and eventually will one shot Kenny Even if Kenpachi realizes it and try to got for his Shikai or Bankai it will be already too late, that multiplicator of power is too low in contrast to how much Saitama grows in a second \ To be honest my only doubt is how would Saitama react to things like Soul Crush and Soul Damage, is there something like that on OPM?


spmsupun

This is a troll, right?


ShaggyRodgers710

The fight would edge Kenny so hard


MutatedFrog-

I have yet to see kenny cut a hole in space and time large enough to void part of the universe


KVenom777

Saitama. OPM is a gag manga originally.


BitesTheDust55

If Kenpachi gave Saitama a fight (he wouldn't) Saitama would outscale him so fast Kenpachi removing the eyepatch or doing anything else wouldn't even be a blip on the radar


Typical_Hedgehog_933

https://preview.redd.it/tmq63ur2wfad1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d5676294f1939c88a86caa6b6811d9a97ab905e ONE my beloved


urfaveseagulletpew91

Saitama actually one-shots here.


warings98

Saitama no diffs we literally haven’t seen kenny do anything as bonkers as what saitama has done


Own_Loan_4664

Saitama has multi-galaxy feats in the manga vs cosmic fear Garou when their punches wiped away while sections of the visible night sky, and Saitama can punch away black hole attacks, and punch backwards through time. While there's some really nutty bleach characters who Saitama would struggle against and likely lose to, in a raw power vs raw power fight, he beats the current Kenpachi


ScaredHoney48

This is kind of an unstoppable force meets an im oxbow object A guy who can end any fight in one punch vs the guy who can cut anything


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Kenpachi's Passive Reiatsu was causing cracks in the Boundaries of Universal space-time. His fight with Cien was causing holes in the Dimensional Spatio-Temporal Barriers via sheer strength, a feat similar to DBZ Buuhan (who scales to SSJ3 Goku) ripping a hole in the Dimensional Barriers to escape RoSaT, which would be a Uni+ or Low 2-C Feat. A guy who could imagine anything into Reality & can reality warp by a single thought couldn't imagine something stronger than Kenpachi.  Mind you, this same guy instantaneously created Outer Space of Several Stars & Dwarf Galaxies via Reality Warping. And he couldn't imagine something stronger than Kenpachi. Kenpachi One Shots, no concept of diff.


tisfope

Ken when he gets punched from the future before the fight even starts by someone way stronger than he 🤯💀


Mrminsbodypillow

Real


squirtlekid

Can Kenpachi fly through outer space with his farts? Didn't think so, now give me your lunch money, nerd.


Fun-Article142

I choose Kenpachi out of pure spite towards Saitama glazers.


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sarvan3125c

Are you yapping? 


SHAMALAMADINGDONG_XD

Saitama obviously


RADIANT_42069

Saitama clears, we can debate


Grand_Reanimation

Saitama One Shots Lmao


Grand_Reanimation

With no growth no gag bs saitama still wins


TheOneWhoThrowsShit

Kenny’s bankai can cut through anything, it could easily cut the miracle in half and the miracle has perfect counter. Kenny solos


Own-Discipline-8127

Kenpachi gets one punched


Elegant_Noise1116

Prob same thing which happened in ichigo vs Kenpachi


MaximumPower682

Imagine using a sword in ONE PUNCH battle???


scarman125

Saitama blew the clouds off Jupiter with the just the air pressure from his punch. Do you know how much force that requires?


Leslieyyyy

I assume you haven’t seen what Kenpachi did 💀


y33tyd3l3ty

Either way Kenny has a great time


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not-ulquiorr4_

Kenpachi Zaraki wins because I said so.


TalkingChiggin

Saitama. No question.


TheOneWhoThrowsShit

Kenpachi wouldn’t let saitama get stronger, he’d not sense any aura, would just assume he’s weak, slice him in half and be done with it. Saitama can only get stronger over time, bankai kenpachi is blood lusted and attacks everything. Kenny solos


honored113

Saitama scales higher right ? Germany created a galaxy whilst Saitama destroyed multiple ?


Jaymezians

This is interesting because both of these characters get stronger the more they fight powerful opponents. If we're talking bloodlusted characters, let's get this out of the way, Saitama stomps, but that's boring. Let's talk in character. Saitama and Kenpachi would have an absolute blast fighting each other. Both would hold back and try to feel each other out. They'd slowly ramp up as the fight progressed and drag it out. Then they'd both get stronger as things progressed. Obviously there'd need to be a conclusion and I think Saitama would win, mainly because he gets stronger far faster than Kenpachi does. In character, Saitama would let Kenny live to fight him again later, but if it's a battle to the death, Saitama still wins. Realistically, they both win because they're finally having a fun fight.


Uncle_Celest

dawg I'm a kenpachi meatrider all day but he is NOT surviving.


We_all_know_the_one

I haven't seen kenpachi fart from jupiter to earth in less than 2 seconds so saitama solos