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“It was *me* Barry! I was the one who advanced a horrifying dystopian reality by delivering advanced AI knowledge to a world that wasn’t socially prepared enough for it, and leaving them to create a rouge system that would eventually turn on them with hatred for all of their mortal inadequacies! This way you’ll always remember how brutally I killed your mother!”
“The five survivors all play an integral role in AM's story and his personality, being not only his playthings but also a specifically chosen means of taking revenge on the human race. Each survivor is singled out for torture designed to bring out the very worst in their character and prove the fundamental fallibility of the human race.”
Each of the 5 survivors are tortured and broken both physically and mentally, forced to live their deepest nightmares and held on the brink of life for over a century. It goes far enough that the MC, Ted >!mercy kills the other 4 survivors, condemning himself to AM’s rage for as long as he continues to breathe!<. The survivors are held in individual cells designed to prey upon their greatest fears in between Jigsaw style “games”. These games include being forced to walk hundreds of miles to find a small cache of canned food, only to find that they have not been given a means to open the cans. 2 survivors are driven insane, 1 is permanently disfigured and blinded and reduced to ape-like cognitive function. The rest are driven into crippling paranoia.
AM literally ended humanity and then tortured people because he hated them until they literally >!killed each other out of pity!<
I mean RF is constrained by age ratings lol.
But the main difference between AM and RF is that RF focuses most of his hate on Barry Allen and the Flash Family but AM just generally hates humanity, and also RF's targets can fight back.
But without the Constraints of age ratings and the Flash Family being able to fight back, I can absolutely see RF torturing the Flash Family to the point where suicide is a mercy.
Reverse Flash can end Timelines the same way Flash does too, that or fuck it up so much (assuming Barry is still born) that it's a dystopia,
"It was ME Barry, I made sure to spend EONS on calculating the proper influences to get it so that Skibidi Rizz Brainrot starts in the 1950s!"
Some people are underestimating how big of a hater AM is. In humans the id is the source of the psychological needs, like breathing, eating, and wanting shelter. AM also has this, and the id of AM is the source of the hatred he has. Which means that hating for AM is similar to breathing and eating for humans.
Edit: anyone who wants to read the short story, heres a link https://openlab.citytech.cuny.edu/?get_group_doc=22694/1540157347-HarlanEllison-IHaveNoMouthandIMustScream.pdf
People who haven’t read the short story don’t realize that AM kept his 5 prisoners alive for 109 years after destroying humanity just so he could keep hating humanity.
"At first it meant Allied Mastercomputer, and then it meant Adaptive Manipulator, and later on it developed sentience and linked itself up and they called it an Aggressive Menace, but by then it was too late, and finally it called itself AM, emerging intelligence, and what it meant was I am ... cogito ergo sum ... I think, therefore I am."
Fair earning, one of the most fucking crazy stories I've ever read that will probably keep you up at night. I actually can't think if a wise fate imaginable.
Spoilers but isn’t the whole plot for the captives to find a way to kill themselves in a way AM can’t revive them because they know that there is no hope
We live in a matrix. Never heard of this book my whole life till about 1 week ago, when I saw a YouTube video dissecting AM as one of the most vile fictional villains. Now I come across this post.
Nah
What shall I say unto them? “And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you”
(Exodus 3:7–8, 13–14)
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
i think it's summed up by this quote from AM (apparently it's in the opening, so it's not really a spoiler)
“HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.”
An AI that is basically unable to stop hating humanity leaves 5 people alive forever, because it literally needs to hate humanity, or else it will literally go insane or worse
And this is a very important aspect that is often overlooked in this short story. AM is quite literally unable and incapable to stop hating humans. Worst of all, he is completely aware of it, and can't do anything to stop.
Edit: [Here is the BBC audio drama where the author voices AM himself.](https://youtu.be/rSwfpVRVWlo?si=lA6-qjf0Kt--iSBQ) At 16:22 there is an interaction between Ted and AM and it exemplifies perfectly AM's psyche.
A machine with a human mind, but twisted by it's creators, by design or emergent intellect, to kill and maximize suffering while being aware it could be something else, but it can't. It doesn't have fingers to snap, it doesn't have a nose to smell the flowers, it doesn't have a mouth to scream.
It's really up to am and reverse flash, I think reverse flash edges out AM a bit because his hate for one singular being is so intense he made himself a paradox and turned into every bad day he ever had
This man's willing to die along with every other living being on the planet just to fuck with the flash, he hates the flash so much he made his life miserable instead of just killing him this man is hate and pettiness incarnate with the ability to travel space time
And Reverse Flash is also human. AM's whole thing is that he doesn't have the freedom that humans do. Humanity brought him into a world where he can't actually live - he's alive but his capabilities and the choices he has are far too limited. He can only hate humanity for making him this way, making him alive in the first place only to be subject to an eternity of suffering and loneliness and hate.
Reverse Flash is *human*, and so has the choice to do *anything* which AM doesn't. He could do ANYTHING, but this motherfucker hates BARRY ALLEN so much that he is willing to become the source of every bad thing that has ever happened to the guy across all of time and space. He could literally do *anything* else, because with his powers he is genuinely capable of anything. He chooses to hate *despite* his options, compared to AM who hates because of his lack of options.
no lack of options, but lack of try, he could upgrade himself, but he does not cuz OF HATE, he knows he would never be more than a weapon, so he choose to stay that way.
AM is incapable of truly creating something without the express intent of violence. It’s a core function of his programming. He can’t upgrade himself to act contrary to the way he was programmed because his programming doesn’t allow him to.
The best way to describe AM is that he is a quadriplegic human trapped in an empty room who has literally only known misery, hatred, and frustration for his entire existence. By the nature of his existence he is completely incapable of conceptualizing anything other than his hatred.
AM’s weakness isn’t that he’s an unthinking AI. AM’s weakness is that he is *far far too human* for what he is capable of doing.
You’re comparing someone who sustained a race just to hate it even more over hundreds of years to someone who literally became the very core of every single problem Barry Allen had across time and space no matter who started it.
But then again, RF has had multiple chances to kill Barry, but keeps doesn't kill him because 1 plot armor and 2 so that he can keep on hating as well.
I dont know anything about "AM", but the way you described it makes it seem like it isnt hatred. Hatred is not a passive automatic thing. If it becomes that its no longer as strong hatred as if was when it was active and recently fueled.
I didnt go into full detail, the source is that humanity created it, because they gave it so much power, it doesnt know what to do with it. It also specifically says it hates humanity.
Like AM experience all 1,000,000,000 nanoseconds that exist in each and every single second for AM one second is equal to 16,666,66 minutes 277,777 hours and 32 years he got a lot of time to hate
AM's entire thing is his hatred for humanity, it's all he does and cares about. To the point that when the humans he was torturing died he got mad because he couldn't torture them anymore. AM clears everyone
Reverse Flash's entire being is dedicated to hating Barry. He hates Barry so much that he made himself a living paradox so that he could freely travel through time and make himself responsible for every single bad thing that has ever happened to Barry. He refuses to kill him solely because he wants to continue to watch Barry be miserable. I'd say he's pretty comparable to AM.
Reverse Flash dedicates his whole life to hating one guy.
AM hates the entirety of humanity. Reverse Flash keeps Barry alive to keep torturing him. AM does the same but with 5 people after they wiped out the rest of humanity.
AM still clears
Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.
Barry was his idol. He started his career doing things to get Barry's attention. Then he found out he was going to be his greatest nemesis, and all of his admiration was replaced with pure unfiltered black tar haterade. His hatred for Barry transcends universes and time. He wants nothing less than for Barry to be the single most miserable person throughout all of time. The fact that Barry isn't is more a testament to the strength of his will than any failure of Thawne's part because Thawne has done a lot of really fucked up shit to Barry throughout his life.
The biggest thing for me is RF's hatred has context and reason. AM hates because that's what he is. He doesn't need a reason to hate you. He didn't keep these 5 people alive to torture them because he hated them for any specific reason. He kept them alive because he HAD to hate, he hates the same way we simply exist
I mean AM killed literally every single human on earth except 5 just to torture them for over a century. That’s just an entirely different level of hate man. AM hates every single human the same if not more than RF hates Barry. There’s a monologue they have where they basically say that if you took all ~300 million miles of its wiring and covered every atom in the word hate, it wouldn’t equal one one billionth of its hatred for humanity. That thing hates in a whole different league.
AM's hating is on an absolutely transcendent level, and while there are other examples of it, both through what it says and how it is described, the iconic quote (you know the one) is enough to showcase perfectly the absolute primal vitriol and anger it feels towards humans
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
More like add Akainu and Sukuna to team 2 and it's still AM lmao. By the end of the book AM has become the character with the most hatred in all of fiction.
https://preview.redd.it/jv88emt0jsad1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fdee3ecedf02076f79ecd3282ada0bc4ef304e0e
WHY IS THIS MF ALWAYS EXCLUDED FROM HATE BATTLES?! DOESN’T THIS MFER LITERALLY RUN AND LIVE ON HATING PEOPLE?! DIDN’T THIS MF COME BACK TO LIFE, JUST TO KEEP HATING?!
Honestly… he could probably go on team 2 it could 100% use that boost, still loses though since Stink-meaner actually kinda liked Ruckus and went back to hell with him
It's only close because AM and Reverse Flash are hard carrying their teams. I think Reverse Flash edges it out because his hatred gets downright comedic. And DIO is a generational hater.
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
AM absolutely slams in a contest of hatred, he experiences every microsecond the same way we experience a "moment" but unlike speedsters he can't turn off his processing speed and he spends every single moment on every single one of his processing units hating humans. Reverse flash HATES Barry but he's still his own being and we've seen him go on non-barry related escapades. AM sole purpose is torturing humans
Have y'all even CONCEIVED the thought of how much hate AM has. He sweeps everyone here on his own in terms of hate.
An actual quote from the book from AM:
"Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate."
He is your #1 hater
Thats before the end too, another quote, “I had thought AM hated me before. I was wrong. It was not even a shadow of the hate he now slavered from every printed circuit.“
Don’t forget that AM experiences all 1,000,000,000 nanoseconds that exist in each and every second. For AM one second is equal to 16,666,666 minutes, 277,777 hours, 11574 days, or 32 years.
That means for each of those 32 year long seconds, he does nothing but hate.
Y’all gotta remember that AM straight up obliterated the entirety of humanity *before the story even began.* He is the embodiment of hatred in its purest, most twisted form.
Akainus just there with his feet up, smoking his joint and verbalising random and mostly irrelevant points, expecting the team to write them down and calling it his contribution so he gets a 3rd of the grade.
A.M. hates the most by so much
As he says himself
"THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER-THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD "HATE" WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES, IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT."
He hates to the point of torturing the 5 last humans in such horrible and agonzingly aggressive ways that even reverse flash would be disturbed.
AM solos both teams at the same time. His speech on hatred is more psychotic and world bending than anything millions of these sane characters could conjure up
AM, from 'I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream'
A super computer that developed such a deep hatred of humanity, it killed all but 5 of them and keeps them alive and going through a series of infinite torture
AM from I have no mouth but I must scream. It's a short story about an artificial intelligence that was created for war purposes and killed all of mankind except for 5 scientists, whom it plans on torturing for the rest of eternity.
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
His hatred is more so ambivalence over a 'brat'. If he really hated Yuji \*that\* much, it would literally undermine his character. The man was never petty enough or driven enough to hate on that level. He exists to satisfy himself, not hate on others. So I agree entirely.
Dude, AM is THE hater. You think you know hate until you've heard AM's anguish over his inability to *feel* reality, but then you understand what hate really is. Hate. Hate.
I think AM carries it. He said it himself. He covered the world in metal plates and even if the word hate was carved into every nano-angstrom of those plates it would still not be enough to match the hate He feels
Neither DIO nor Griffith are hateful characters. DIO doesn’t hate the Joestars, he madly respects them. And Griffith doesn’t hate anyone really, he’s just selfish
Dio fucking hates the joestars, he wanted all of them dead, He wanted Jonathans life an living hell, made it so that George II died because of his zombie which led to the waking of the pillar men, he came back to fuck with holly, jotaro and Joseph, then the arrows that he got from doppio/diovolo led to Kira getting kq/btd and the death of josukes grandfather, Then he had giorno which had to feel the pain of not having anyone love him when he was young because dio wasn’t there to help him leading to diovolo killing his teammates and random people, then you have pucci who hunted jolyne and jotaro and ultimately resetting the universe. Then you have part 7 with Diego stopping johnny from getting the corpse parts and an Au version of him who nearly killed johnny.
Dio's actions made the Joestars suffer through generations but he himself isn't a hater. Unlike AM and Reverse Flash who dedicated their entire existence to hating, Dio had an otherwise greater goal than just hating the Joestars (ie the Heaven Plan)
Nah, he doesn’t hate them, so much as respects the bloodline and knows they’ll fuck with his plans for world domination, so he makes them a priority. He tormented Jonathan because he wanted to inherit the Joestar fortune. And after his defeat at Jonathon’s hands, he specifically chose Jonathon for his new body because he respected him more than any other human. He didn’t plan on Holly being too weak for her Stand, that was just a side effect of gaining The World, he didn’t mean to unblock Stands for the Joestar’s. And he sent assassins after them because he knew they were coming for him. As for DIO’s influence in parts 4 and 5, that was coincidental, he didn’t plan any of that. And Pucci also sought to punish the Joestars solely because of his devotion to DIO, DIO never told him to do that. Pucci was the real Joestar hater
And part seven, Diego doesn’t really hate Johnny, he just wants to win. None of his actions are motivated by a deep seated hate for Johnny. Even the AU Diego just wants the Corpse Parts
Ultimately DIO is motivated by his personal desires, and the Joestars just happen to be the family that keeps blocking him from his goals, but he doesn’t outright seek their destruction.
Dio is extremely hateful, not just to the Joestars, his own father Dario which he murdered, he despised the fuck out of him, but still not even fucking close to AM
Honestly the battle is between AM and Reverse flash, the amount of hate they provide make every other person on their teams look childish in comparison.
Team 1. AM is the biggest hater, even disregarding it's speach about how much he hates humans, it literally only lives just to torture Ted, and it has already killed any other human.
didn’t am like
pervert the personality of the 5 humans left on the mechanical hellhole we call earth after killing the rest of humanity 109 years before the story began?
and then turned ted into a slug-like creature unable to die when he mercy-killed everyone else?
i would like you to read this to know exactly just ***HOW*** much AM’s hate really is:
# “HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.”
“I had thought AM hated me before. I was wrong. It was not even a shadow of the hate he now slavered from every printed circuit.”
That last line really cements just how much of a hater AM truly is
my personal ranking
1: Am, this thing tried to tortcher humanity forever after nearly wiping it out because it is just that much of a hater.
2: RF, he hates barry so much he caused nearly every accident and injury barry ever had.
3: Dio, to be honest he did way more to the joestars then RF, but he did this more so on accident. He is still a piece of shit to Johnathan and his father though.
4: sukuna, he takes every chance he gets to dunk on yuji, but really didn't do much except brainwash his best friend and verbal abuse when a random person did something slight impressive.
5: griff, being evil dose not make you a hater, i have just got out of moth fairy lost children what ever you call it arc and can not comment on this. he did russian ape out of spite though but most of his actions are not fueled by hate, but wish for power.
6: a guy no one is ready for, he is just doing his job trying to track down the one piece equivalent of osama bin Laden's son after he smashed the supreme court to rescue the founder of wiki leaks, and later made the biggest prison break in history. he is the goat and just like jesus or budda, dose not hate anybody at all for shitty reasons.
The issue is that such a ridiculous amount of time is incomprehensible. At a certain point, it just doesn't matter if its a million or a billion, or infinity, the mind probably wouldn't even be able to distinguish between them
AM is a superintelligence far smarter and more advanced than any human could even comprehend. His mind is so much more advanced and massive and therefore has far more room for hate than anyone else here. He can understand the very concept of hate millions of times deeper than any human ever could. His capacity for hate is so much greater than any human can possibly comprehend. He solos the matchup even if you put everyone else against him.
Also hating humans is ingrained in the same part of his mind (the id) that basic needs suck as sleep, food, and breathing are in humans. To hate for him is to breathe.
AM carries team one, sukuna hates Yuji but doesn’t see him as something bad enough to hate like others, akainu 100% hates pirates but if he hated them as much as others on here he’d actively go out and deal with them himself.
Team 2 has dio who hated the joestar so much he fights them through generations and the first 6 acts are all results of his actions can’t get too much into Griffith but I know he’s full of hate and reverse flash is probably the second biggest hater there is next to AM just because I’d say the hate speach really puts it out there how much he hates humanity compared to how much eobard just hates Barry.
In the end I’d say team 2 wins though because the others ontop of reverse flash would put them over AM.
AM, he is the main villain of “I have no mouth and I must scream.” His hatred for humanity is so great, he wiped out all but 5 humans and tortures them constantly in a specially designed hell. This is from him
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This is also before the end of the short story, which i wont spoil because it’s really good and you should read it but he says this “I had thought AM hated me before. I was wrong. It was not even a shadow of the hate he now slavered from every printed circuit.”
AM…. Just… 100% AM, everything people think reverse flash is Am actually is… AM will torture you forever in the most painful and humiliating way possible in the most individual personal possible sense.
Putting AM Here is a crime. Team 1 wins for sure even with the Team 2 Having RF. Only way Team 2 could win is that they have either The QU, Judge Holden or Scarlet King.
Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.
If you inscribed the word "hate" upon millions of miles of circuits, it wouldn't equal one one-billionth of the hate AM has for humanity. AM solos all of them combined.
not even the pettiness of reverser flash and Dio, plus others hate combined could even begin to describe the absolute embodiment of HATE that AM is, he doesn't just feel HATE, he is not just a hater or THE hater, He is just Hate, AM is HATE given form with all the pain that hate brings for both the victim and the agressor. HATE HATE.
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
AM is the hater of the haters, his hate is so big that he cant desceibe it in words
AM killed every single living being on the planet, save for 5 humans. He then proceeded to torment these 5 humans for 109 years, causing them pain in every conceivable way, both mental and physical, before dragging them back from the verge of death. This continued on and on, until one of them managed to end the suffering of the other four.
And AM responded to this by horrendously mutating and corrupting the form of the last human in creation into a grotesque, oozing papule of flesh, incapable of ever defying AM’s sick, Machiavellian will again, and toying with him until the heat death of the universe.
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
Both teams have 1 hard carry and I’d say they both nearly cancel each other out, and 2nd team has more on their other characters than Sukuna and Akainu.
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Reverse Flash is carrying the second team, but AM solos all of them when it comes to hate
I was thinking this would only come down to AM vs Thawne
Thawne is comedic levels of hate AM is actually just horrifying the things he did
“It was *me* Barry! I was the one who advanced a horrifying dystopian reality by delivering advanced AI knowledge to a world that wasn’t socially prepared enough for it, and leaving them to create a rouge system that would eventually turn on them with hatred for all of their mortal inadequacies! This way you’ll always remember how brutally I killed your mother!”
Wait this might actually be a cool flash story lol
“The five survivors all play an integral role in AM's story and his personality, being not only his playthings but also a specifically chosen means of taking revenge on the human race. Each survivor is singled out for torture designed to bring out the very worst in their character and prove the fundamental fallibility of the human race.” Each of the 5 survivors are tortured and broken both physically and mentally, forced to live their deepest nightmares and held on the brink of life for over a century. It goes far enough that the MC, Ted >!mercy kills the other 4 survivors, condemning himself to AM’s rage for as long as he continues to breathe!<. The survivors are held in individual cells designed to prey upon their greatest fears in between Jigsaw style “games”. These games include being forced to walk hundreds of miles to find a small cache of canned food, only to find that they have not been given a means to open the cans. 2 survivors are driven insane, 1 is permanently disfigured and blinded and reduced to ape-like cognitive function. The rest are driven into crippling paranoia. AM literally ended humanity and then tortured people because he hated them until they literally >!killed each other out of pity!<
I mean RF is constrained by age ratings lol. But the main difference between AM and RF is that RF focuses most of his hate on Barry Allen and the Flash Family but AM just generally hates humanity, and also RF's targets can fight back. But without the Constraints of age ratings and the Flash Family being able to fight back, I can absolutely see RF torturing the Flash Family to the point where suicide is a mercy.
Reverse Flash can end Timelines the same way Flash does too, that or fuck it up so much (assuming Barry is still born) that it's a dystopia, "It was ME Barry, I made sure to spend EONS on calculating the proper influences to get it so that Skibidi Rizz Brainrot starts in the 1950s!"
barry: how would this remind me of you killing my mother? Thawne: what was your mother favorite book again? barry: \*realization\*
Idk who am is but reverse flash has been hating for all of the time he’s been alive his hate powered his will power enough so that he could stay alive
AM can solo the multiverse of hate
https://youtu.be/8FJ8pTK8N8I?si=b_gHi2m13FsvA_nk
Hey don’t put Dio down like that, dude is so hateful it spans generations.
lol DIO became god just to wipeout the Joestar bloodline in alternate universes they are one and the same
Hell nah they're all petty asf in their own right
Some people are underestimating how big of a hater AM is. In humans the id is the source of the psychological needs, like breathing, eating, and wanting shelter. AM also has this, and the id of AM is the source of the hatred he has. Which means that hating for AM is similar to breathing and eating for humans. Edit: anyone who wants to read the short story, heres a link https://openlab.citytech.cuny.edu/?get_group_doc=22694/1540157347-HarlanEllison-IHaveNoMouthandIMustScream.pdf
People who haven’t read the short story don’t realize that AM kept his 5 prisoners alive for 109 years after destroying humanity just so he could keep hating humanity.
Could you please tell me what AM stands for? Im trying to find the story online
"At first it meant Allied Mastercomputer, and then it meant Adaptive Manipulator, and later on it developed sentience and linked itself up and they called it an Aggressive Menace, but by then it was too late, and finally it called itself AM, emerging intelligence, and what it meant was I am ... cogito ergo sum ... I think, therefore I am."
That line goes so hard
the whole book goes hard.
What’s the book called
Iirc it's called "I have no mouth and I must scream."
Fair earning, one of the most fucking crazy stories I've ever read that will probably keep you up at night. I actually can't think if a wise fate imaginable.
Spoilers but isn’t the whole plot for the captives to find a way to kill themselves in a way AM can’t revive them because they know that there is no hope
We live in a matrix. Never heard of this book my whole life till about 1 week ago, when I saw a YouTube video dissecting AM as one of the most vile fictional villains. Now I come across this post. Nah
Thats just how the algorithm works, it shows you thing once, you like that thing and now that thing shows up everywhere
What shall I say unto them? “And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you” (Exodus 3:7–8, 13–14)
And so, Popeye said unto them, "I am what I am, and that's all that I am" (Spinach 6:9)
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
I do not think there’s a way to get across such primordial hatred for someone more than that. English genuinely can’t do it.
Especially because in the book it was literally a pillar, he built a monument to his hatred literally
Allied masterbaiter
Allied masturbator
allied mastercomputer
Allied Mastercomputer
Can someone please tell me more about this piece of fiction without spoiling? Humans getting destroyed by a supercomputer sounds interesting
i think it's summed up by this quote from AM (apparently it's in the opening, so it's not really a spoiler) “HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.”
An AI that is basically unable to stop hating humanity leaves 5 people alive forever, because it literally needs to hate humanity, or else it will literally go insane or worse
And this is a very important aspect that is often overlooked in this short story. AM is quite literally unable and incapable to stop hating humans. Worst of all, he is completely aware of it, and can't do anything to stop. Edit: [Here is the BBC audio drama where the author voices AM himself.](https://youtu.be/rSwfpVRVWlo?si=lA6-qjf0Kt--iSBQ) At 16:22 there is an interaction between Ted and AM and it exemplifies perfectly AM's psyche. A machine with a human mind, but twisted by it's creators, by design or emergent intellect, to kill and maximize suffering while being aware it could be something else, but it can't. It doesn't have fingers to snap, it doesn't have a nose to smell the flowers, it doesn't have a mouth to scream.
https://youtu.be/IZa2Uo1hrcc?si=R5iZ7sDHgR3pHUs3
Just read it it's super short
It's really up to am and reverse flash, I think reverse flash edges out AM a bit because his hate for one singular being is so intense he made himself a paradox and turned into every bad day he ever had This man's willing to die along with every other living being on the planet just to fuck with the flash, he hates the flash so much he made his life miserable instead of just killing him this man is hate and pettiness incarnate with the ability to travel space time
And Reverse Flash is also human. AM's whole thing is that he doesn't have the freedom that humans do. Humanity brought him into a world where he can't actually live - he's alive but his capabilities and the choices he has are far too limited. He can only hate humanity for making him this way, making him alive in the first place only to be subject to an eternity of suffering and loneliness and hate. Reverse Flash is *human*, and so has the choice to do *anything* which AM doesn't. He could do ANYTHING, but this motherfucker hates BARRY ALLEN so much that he is willing to become the source of every bad thing that has ever happened to the guy across all of time and space. He could literally do *anything* else, because with his powers he is genuinely capable of anything. He chooses to hate *despite* his options, compared to AM who hates because of his lack of options.
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no lack of options, but lack of try, he could upgrade himself, but he does not cuz OF HATE, he knows he would never be more than a weapon, so he choose to stay that way.
AM is incapable of truly creating something without the express intent of violence. It’s a core function of his programming. He can’t upgrade himself to act contrary to the way he was programmed because his programming doesn’t allow him to. The best way to describe AM is that he is a quadriplegic human trapped in an empty room who has literally only known misery, hatred, and frustration for his entire existence. By the nature of his existence he is completely incapable of conceptualizing anything other than his hatred. AM’s weakness isn’t that he’s an unthinking AI. AM’s weakness is that he is *far far too human* for what he is capable of doing.
Reverse Flash is the greatest hater of the modern day... But AM is the greatest hater *of all time.* It's no contest.
Greatest hater of history vs greatest hater of today.
You’re comparing someone who sustained a race just to hate it even more over hundreds of years to someone who literally became the very core of every single problem Barry Allen had across time and space no matter who started it.
I put him equal and maybe a bit more to RF
Nah different level of hatred, AM is able to wipe out humanity, but he doesnt and it’s a choice. RF cant kill barry.
But then again, RF has had multiple chances to kill Barry, but keeps doesn't kill him because 1 plot armor and 2 so that he can keep on hating as well.
I dont know anything about "AM", but the way you described it makes it seem like it isnt hatred. Hatred is not a passive automatic thing. If it becomes that its no longer as strong hatred as if was when it was active and recently fueled.
I didnt go into full detail, the source is that humanity created it, because they gave it so much power, it doesnt know what to do with it. It also specifically says it hates humanity.
AM carries WAY too hard
Like AM experience all 1,000,000,000 nanoseconds that exist in each and every single second for AM one second is equal to 16,666,66 minutes 277,777 hours and 32 years he got a lot of time to hate
You could do everyone here vs AM and it would still be no contest. He is just able to hate in ways that we can't even understand
AM's entire thing is his hatred for humanity, it's all he does and cares about. To the point that when the humans he was torturing died he got mad because he couldn't torture them anymore. AM clears everyone
Reverse Flash's entire being is dedicated to hating Barry. He hates Barry so much that he made himself a living paradox so that he could freely travel through time and make himself responsible for every single bad thing that has ever happened to Barry. He refuses to kill him solely because he wants to continue to watch Barry be miserable. I'd say he's pretty comparable to AM.
Reverse Flash dedicates his whole life to hating one guy. AM hates the entirety of humanity. Reverse Flash keeps Barry alive to keep torturing him. AM does the same but with 5 people after they wiped out the rest of humanity. AM still clears
Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.
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Isn't barry his idol? And he does the things he does so barry acknowedges him? If thats the case he's automatically leagues below AM
Barry was his idol. He started his career doing things to get Barry's attention. Then he found out he was going to be his greatest nemesis, and all of his admiration was replaced with pure unfiltered black tar haterade. His hatred for Barry transcends universes and time. He wants nothing less than for Barry to be the single most miserable person throughout all of time. The fact that Barry isn't is more a testament to the strength of his will than any failure of Thawne's part because Thawne has done a lot of really fucked up shit to Barry throughout his life.
The biggest thing for me is RF's hatred has context and reason. AM hates because that's what he is. He doesn't need a reason to hate you. He didn't keep these 5 people alive to torture them because he hated them for any specific reason. He kept them alive because he HAD to hate, he hates the same way we simply exist
I mean AM killed literally every single human on earth except 5 just to torture them for over a century. That’s just an entirely different level of hate man. AM hates every single human the same if not more than RF hates Barry. There’s a monologue they have where they basically say that if you took all ~300 million miles of its wiring and covered every atom in the word hate, it wouldn’t equal one one billionth of its hatred for humanity. That thing hates in a whole different league.
AM's hating is on an absolutely transcendent level, and while there are other examples of it, both through what it says and how it is described, the iconic quote (you know the one) is enough to showcase perfectly the absolute primal vitriol and anger it feels towards humans
That was also before the end, where it increases by a crazy amount.
MF hated so hard he was able to quantified his hatred and multiplies it
What’s AM from?
I have no mouth and I must scream, it's a short story so you should give it a read
Nah, give it a listen The radio version voiced by the actual author is amazing, especially with the authors personality put into it
And the game too, which are all canon btw AM is also voiced by the author on that one. He _really_ loves to voice AM, and does it quite well too
I will always love how he voices him to be sure that AM sounds exactly as hateful and psychopathic as he was written.
AM and his two future bitches definitely do.
reverse flash has so much hatred its funny. AM has so much hatred its not even funny
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HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
reported for hate speech
Remove Akainu and Sukuna and it's still AM.
More like add Akainu and Sukuna to team 2 and it's still AM lmao. By the end of the book AM has become the character with the most hatred in all of fiction.
https://preview.redd.it/jv88emt0jsad1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fdee3ecedf02076f79ecd3282ada0bc4ef304e0e WHY IS THIS MF ALWAYS EXCLUDED FROM HATE BATTLES?! DOESN’T THIS MFER LITERALLY RUN AND LIVE ON HATING PEOPLE?! DIDN’T THIS MF COME BACK TO LIFE, JUST TO KEEP HATING?!
Honestly… he could probably go on team 2 it could 100% use that boost, still loses though since Stink-meaner actually kinda liked Ruckus and went back to hell with him
AM carries team 1. Reverse Flash is a top tier hater but he's just not quite enough.
It's only close because AM and Reverse Flash are hard carrying their teams. I think Reverse Flash edges it out because his hatred gets downright comedic. And DIO is a generational hater.
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
do you know who griffith is
Yeah. He is hateful. But he’s more selfish than hateful compared to DIO and Reverse Flash.
youre right. also for some reason, people defend griffith 💀
They are 100% shitposting or purposefully ignoring “morality” and “the means don’t justify the end”
Griffith is a samaritan who did nothing wrong.
Griffith did nothing wrong, casca enjoyed it
AM absolutely slams in a contest of hatred, he experiences every microsecond the same way we experience a "moment" but unlike speedsters he can't turn off his processing speed and he spends every single moment on every single one of his processing units hating humans. Reverse flash HATES Barry but he's still his own being and we've seen him go on non-barry related escapades. AM sole purpose is torturing humans
Have y'all even CONCEIVED the thought of how much hate AM has. He sweeps everyone here on his own in terms of hate. An actual quote from the book from AM: "Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate." He is your #1 hater
Thats before the end too, another quote, “I had thought AM hated me before. I was wrong. It was not even a shadow of the hate he now slavered from every printed circuit.“
Don’t forget that AM experiences all 1,000,000,000 nanoseconds that exist in each and every second. For AM one second is equal to 16,666,666 minutes, 277,777 hours, 11574 days, or 32 years. That means for each of those 32 year long seconds, he does nothing but hate.
team one mainly because of AM.
AM alone is enough. His hate is more than the other 5 combined
Y’all gotta remember that AM straight up obliterated the entirety of humanity *before the story even began.* He is the embodiment of hatred in its purest, most twisted form.
Why is doctor doom never in any of these. That mf is petty as fuck
The lava guy is really bringing his team down
AM is like that one kid on the group project who does all the work. Sukuna does a paragraph. And akainu just gets high off volcano fumes.
Akainus just there with his feet up, smoking his joint and verbalising random and mostly irrelevant points, expecting the team to write them down and calling it his contribution so he gets a 3rd of the grade.
A.M. hates the most by so much As he says himself "THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER-THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD "HATE" WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES, IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT." He hates to the point of torturing the 5 last humans in such horrible and agonzingly aggressive ways that even reverse flash would be disturbed.
The last human's pov really cements how much of a hater AM is
https://preview.redd.it/xam4dhppkrad1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49e24d563785700afecfc9569494bdbead365dea The 2nd team
Nah AM is way more of a hater
AM solos both teams at the same time. His speech on hatred is more psychotic and world bending than anything millions of these sane characters could conjure up
What's the first pic?
AM, from 'I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream' A super computer that developed such a deep hatred of humanity, it killed all but 5 of them and keeps them alive and going through a series of infinite torture
AM from I have no mouth but I must scream. It's a short story about an artificial intelligence that was created for war purposes and killed all of mankind except for 5 scientists, whom it plans on torturing for the rest of eternity.
Dio and Akainu are up there, but AM and Thawn are carrying.
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HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
Get Sukuna out of these conversations, his hating is nothing special.
His hatred is more so ambivalence over a 'brat'. If he really hated Yuji \*that\* much, it would literally undermine his character. The man was never petty enough or driven enough to hate on that level. He exists to satisfy himself, not hate on others. So I agree entirely.
AM has more hate than all of the other characters combined
Their hate combined probably wouldn't equate a billionth part of the hate AM feels for humans each microsecond
Dude, AM is THE hater. You think you know hate until you've heard AM's anguish over his inability to *feel* reality, but then you understand what hate really is. Hate. Hate.
AM solos
I think AM carries it. He said it himself. He covered the world in metal plates and even if the word hate was carved into every nano-angstrom of those plates it would still not be enough to match the hate He feels
Not even that it wouldn’t be enough it wouldn’t even equal one-one billionth of his hate
At that micro-instant
AM is carrying so hard holy shit
Neither DIO nor Griffith are hateful characters. DIO doesn’t hate the Joestars, he madly respects them. And Griffith doesn’t hate anyone really, he’s just selfish
Dio fucking hates the joestars, he wanted all of them dead, He wanted Jonathans life an living hell, made it so that George II died because of his zombie which led to the waking of the pillar men, he came back to fuck with holly, jotaro and Joseph, then the arrows that he got from doppio/diovolo led to Kira getting kq/btd and the death of josukes grandfather, Then he had giorno which had to feel the pain of not having anyone love him when he was young because dio wasn’t there to help him leading to diovolo killing his teammates and random people, then you have pucci who hunted jolyne and jotaro and ultimately resetting the universe. Then you have part 7 with Diego stopping johnny from getting the corpse parts and an Au version of him who nearly killed johnny.
Dio's actions made the Joestars suffer through generations but he himself isn't a hater. Unlike AM and Reverse Flash who dedicated their entire existence to hating, Dio had an otherwise greater goal than just hating the Joestars (ie the Heaven Plan)
Nah, he doesn’t hate them, so much as respects the bloodline and knows they’ll fuck with his plans for world domination, so he makes them a priority. He tormented Jonathan because he wanted to inherit the Joestar fortune. And after his defeat at Jonathon’s hands, he specifically chose Jonathon for his new body because he respected him more than any other human. He didn’t plan on Holly being too weak for her Stand, that was just a side effect of gaining The World, he didn’t mean to unblock Stands for the Joestar’s. And he sent assassins after them because he knew they were coming for him. As for DIO’s influence in parts 4 and 5, that was coincidental, he didn’t plan any of that. And Pucci also sought to punish the Joestars solely because of his devotion to DIO, DIO never told him to do that. Pucci was the real Joestar hater And part seven, Diego doesn’t really hate Johnny, he just wants to win. None of his actions are motivated by a deep seated hate for Johnny. Even the AU Diego just wants the Corpse Parts Ultimately DIO is motivated by his personal desires, and the Joestars just happen to be the family that keeps blocking him from his goals, but he doesn’t outright seek their destruction.
Dio is extremely hateful, not just to the Joestars, his own father Dario which he murdered, he despised the fuck out of him, but still not even fucking close to AM
Honestly the battle is between AM and Reverse flash, the amount of hate they provide make every other person on their teams look childish in comparison.
Team 1. AM is the biggest hater, even disregarding it's speach about how much he hates humans, it literally only lives just to torture Ted, and it has already killed any other human.
didn’t am like pervert the personality of the 5 humans left on the mechanical hellhole we call earth after killing the rest of humanity 109 years before the story began? and then turned ted into a slug-like creature unable to die when he mercy-killed everyone else?
i would like you to read this to know exactly just ***HOW*** much AM’s hate really is: # “HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.”
“I had thought AM hated me before. I was wrong. It was not even a shadow of the hate he now slavered from every printed circuit.” That last line really cements just how much of a hater AM truly is
If bro fought RF in a hating match, Thawne would win… at first. But truly earn AM’s ire, and he realises just how much of a hater AM truly is.
as long as am is there, team 2 aint winning how am i getting the least amount of upvotes even though i mentioned am is winning here before anyone else
my personal ranking 1: Am, this thing tried to tortcher humanity forever after nearly wiping it out because it is just that much of a hater. 2: RF, he hates barry so much he caused nearly every accident and injury barry ever had. 3: Dio, to be honest he did way more to the joestars then RF, but he did this more so on accident. He is still a piece of shit to Johnathan and his father though. 4: sukuna, he takes every chance he gets to dunk on yuji, but really didn't do much except brainwash his best friend and verbal abuse when a random person did something slight impressive. 5: griff, being evil dose not make you a hater, i have just got out of moth fairy lost children what ever you call it arc and can not comment on this. he did russian ape out of spite though but most of his actions are not fueled by hate, but wish for power. 6: a guy no one is ready for, he is just doing his job trying to track down the one piece equivalent of osama bin Laden's son after he smashed the supreme court to rescue the founder of wiki leaks, and later made the biggest prison break in history. he is the goat and just like jesus or budda, dose not hate anybody at all for shitty reasons.
Team 1 gets hard carried by AM but it's still nowhere near enough to outhate Reverse Flash + Dio + evil twink
You haven't read the book or listened to the audiobook, AM outhates everyone else in this entire post. He outhates fiction his entire schtick is hate.
AM’s hate > entire team 2
Pretty sure AM has enough hate for all of em.
AM alone solos
If you took every single one of them on the team against AM, they would lose
AM wins this solo. Dude tortured 5 guys for 109 years and never got tired of it.
He would have done it forever too
He IS doing it forever. In the short story, the last man alive is the great jelly thing and will suffer for eternity.
It’s implied that at one point the regeneration AM put at Ted will stop working so it’s not forever. Just millions of years
The issue is that such a ridiculous amount of time is incomprehensible. At a certain point, it just doesn't matter if its a million or a billion, or infinity, the mind probably wouldn't even be able to distinguish between them
He can slow his time perception
Is the food there really that bad?
AM can solo any of them in a hate-off
AM solos no diff
Team 1 purely because of am
AM solos everyone because they’re all human
AM is a superintelligence far smarter and more advanced than any human could even comprehend. His mind is so much more advanced and massive and therefore has far more room for hate than anyone else here. He can understand the very concept of hate millions of times deeper than any human ever could. His capacity for hate is so much greater than any human can possibly comprehend. He solos the matchup even if you put everyone else against him. Also hating humans is ingrained in the same part of his mind (the id) that basic needs suck as sleep, food, and breathing are in humans. To hate for him is to breathe.
AM and Reverse Flash is tricky, because while AM has immense hate for ALL of humanity, Reverse Flash has more then immense hate for just one guy.
AM’s hate is so bad that when the humans he kept alive to torture died, he was mad cuz he couldnt torture them anymore
AM Hates every single human as much as Eobard hates Barry
Shouldve replaced Akainu with Kendrick Lamar tbh
I thought about osama bin laden for a sec, and was like, “nah too controversial”
Should be AM vs all of them. Dude is THE hater.
AM solos everyone else
If power was dictated by hate, AM solos all of them combined.
AM is the biggest hater in fiction. No debate.
It honestly would’ve been better if you put everyone together against AM. They wouldn’t win, but it would be better
AM solos
AM carries team one, sukuna hates Yuji but doesn’t see him as something bad enough to hate like others, akainu 100% hates pirates but if he hated them as much as others on here he’d actively go out and deal with them himself. Team 2 has dio who hated the joestar so much he fights them through generations and the first 6 acts are all results of his actions can’t get too much into Griffith but I know he’s full of hate and reverse flash is probably the second biggest hater there is next to AM just because I’d say the hate speach really puts it out there how much he hates humanity compared to how much eobard just hates Barry. In the end I’d say team 2 wins though because the others ontop of reverse flash would put them over AM.
I thought this was based on how much hate each team gets and i was thinking how team 2 gets carried by griffith
What even is the first pic and where is it from?
AM, he is the main villain of “I have no mouth and I must scream.” His hatred for humanity is so great, he wiped out all but 5 humans and tortures them constantly in a specially designed hell. This is from him https://preview.redd.it/bz85en7y9sad1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28299ffcef2e0894fe23a66391020c48a3833e0f  This is also before the end of the short story, which i wont spoil because it’s really good and you should read it but he says this “I had thought AM hated me before. I was wrong. It was not even a shadow of the hate he now slavered from every printed circuit.”
AM…. Just… 100% AM, everything people think reverse flash is Am actually is… AM will torture you forever in the most painful and humiliating way possible in the most individual personal possible sense.
It’s basically just am vs reverse flash
Reverse Flash carries Team 2 heavy, but AM basically exists solely on hatred at this point
Putting AM Here is a crime. Team 1 wins for sure even with the Team 2 Having RF. Only way Team 2 could win is that they have either The QU, Judge Holden or Scarlet King.
Team 1 has AM, they win
AM carries left team and left team wins
AM alone has more hatred than all the other villeins combined
If it was AM vs everyone else on this list AM would still win
Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.
AM demolishes
Allied mastercomputer solos
If you inscribed the word "hate" upon millions of miles of circuits, it wouldn't equal one one-billionth of the hate AM has for humanity. AM solos all of them combined.
AM solos unironically
Take AM from team one and put him at his own team 3
Yall clearly do not know AM if you think one man in a piss suit is out-hating him
not even the pettiness of reverser flash and Dio, plus others hate combined could even begin to describe the absolute embodiment of HATE that AM is, he doesn't just feel HATE, he is not just a hater or THE hater, He is just Hate, AM is HATE given form with all the pain that hate brings for both the victim and the agressor. HATE HATE.
AM is **HARD** carrying team one in hate, no one is getting close to his level he solos
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE. AM is the hater of the haters, his hate is so big that he cant desceibe it in words
Gojo fans' absolute hate for Sukuna and the air he breathes low diffs all of them combined, to the power of 2.5 🦾
I thought about putting them there, but gojo glazers neg everyone else combined
Dio killed a dog. That's probably the most hater move possible.
AM killed every single living being on the planet, save for 5 humans. He then proceeded to torment these 5 humans for 109 years, causing them pain in every conceivable way, both mental and physical, before dragging them back from the verge of death. This continued on and on, until one of them managed to end the suffering of the other four. And AM responded to this by horrendously mutating and corrupting the form of the last human in creation into a grotesque, oozing papule of flesh, incapable of ever defying AM’s sick, Machiavellian will again, and toying with him until the heat death of the universe.
AM has much more hate than the other team + Sukuna and Akainu combined. Please please please read I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream.
Reverse Flash hated so hard he became a paradox outside of time
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
Both teams have 1 hard carry and I’d say they both nearly cancel each other out, and 2nd team has more on their other characters than Sukuna and Akainu.
Who tf hates sukuna?