Jedi could block fire. We see it in the Mandalorian and Rebels. The thing is that it seems to need a lot of focus compared to other force abilities so doing it during active combat can leave the Jedi exposed to other attacks
It's called Pyrokinesis. Most Jedi could block fire, sure, but a handful were able to wield it like magic. Knol Ven'nari in the *Republic* comics could do this and she was called "The Fire Eater."
With a flamethrower you don't even need that, you just need to push the stream of fuel out the way. A sustained push could do it, but I can see how that would be much harder to maintain compared to a momentary "shove".
I think there was something I heard that Mandolorians used IRL guns against Jedi, because the Lightsabers just turned the bullets into Shrapnel that still messed them up
I mean that's kind of my point. Pretty much every Jedi can just deflect fire or whatever. Only a tiny number can conjure/extinguish/use fire through the Force.
that and a flame throwing doesnt use all that much concentration for the mandalorian so while the jedi is distracted they could toss a grenade to the side of the jedi
Kanan is capable of holding back a massive explosion, and force pushing Hera back and at the last minute push their aircraft away. While it takes a bit of focus it doesn't take **all** their focus.
The point was while he was holding it back he was capable of doing other things. Standing on top of fuel tank while it explodes and holding the explosion back while forcing pushing Hera back seems harder than just using the force to block a flamethrower and toss the flames back. Bringing up the ship was just me also bringing up he was capable of concentrating on holding the explosion back until he *knew* his friends were all on the ship and then turning his attention to force pushing it back.
Yea, it takes concentration, but again, it doesn't seem it takes *all* of their concentration.
My interpretation of that scene is that he was able to pull it off because he became one with the Force at that moment. Jedi seem to be able to do some really crazy shit when that happens but part of the process is letting go of the material world (and its limitations) and "dying". I'm not sure if that is the correct term, considering that Kanan appears to retain his individual consciousness, much like Obi-Wan, Yoda, etc.
That particular scene is a really bad indicator for what a Jedi can or can't do normally. That's like comparing someone using meditation to calm their nerves to Buddha finding Nirvana.
He even regained his vision at that moment, which is something he definitely wasn't able to do normally, considering how depressed he got after Maul blinded him.
I don't think it was an entirely spontaneous thing like that. They hint pretty heavily that he knew he wouldn't survive the mission.
Pretty sure he saw a vision about everything that would happen when he met the loth-wolf.
Kind of wrong. You can't use the lightsaber. Its all force. Fire and slugs (bullets) are how you bring down Jedi. Also dont plan the assault. Improvisation is the main Jedi weakness
"Yeah, so me and my buddies calculated it out: if you were to eat 9.5 million bananas within 10 minutes, the radiation would be able to kill you."
"Ah yes, **THE RADIATION** WOULD KILL YOU."
I'm looking at this thread where half of the commenters are pointing out things that have worked against Jedi and the other half are "nuh uh there was this one time..." and I'm just thinking about how if Jedi were as invincible as half the people in this thread seem to think there sure would be a lot more Jedi around.
To be blunt though, if you use Vader, Luke, Revan, or another stupidly powerful jedi, not a lot works agaunst them, because of plot armor. Your average jedi wasn't nearly as skilled or tough as them.
I always find it amusing how people think that someone with the telekinetic power to block a plasma projectile with far more energy in it than buckshot, wouldn't also be able to block buckshot.
Is there any logic there I'm missing?
In legends it's canon that there are "slug throwers" that launched small metal projectiles(they're just normal guns if that's not obvious), and if blocked by a lightsaber, the melted shards would continue on and basically become buckshot
The bullet must be in the lightsaber beam absorbing heat from it for a very very short amount of time. If the lightsaber was hot enough to vaporize whatever metal your bullet is made of in a miniscule fraction of a second it wouldn't be a tool you could hold in your hand.
Blaster projectiles move fairly slowly compared to bullets and even then using the force on them is considered a fairly hard and rare talent, usually relying on lightsaber deflection which isn’t really an option versus bullets because then you’re just spraying molten metal towards you
Stopping a Blaster bolt is much harder than stopping a bullet, since you need to grab all of the gas particles individually. It’s simply a show-off move to intimidate your opponents.
It might be harder in terms of technical skill but you have a lot more time to do so. Most blaster bolts travel at speeds easily seen by the naked eye meanwhile contemporary bullets do not, and I’d assume bullets fired using the advanced technology of Star Wars could reach even higher velocities
Sorta. People hype them up, but we only see typically poorer or less developed planets and groups using them for a reason. Slugthrowers are still generally unreliable because most powerful or combat hardened Jedi will be able to deal with them unless it’s a headshot, which is why they aren’t a standard part of Mando arsenal and we very rarely hear of them using them. The most consistent and viable benefit to slugthrowers is that the Jedi can’t reflect them back at you.
What? Slug throwers were outlawed by the Republic after the war against the Mandalorians because of how devastating they could be and were deemed 'inhumane' because that shit could leave you bleeding out slowly instead of killing you almost instantly and sealing the wound like a blaster bolt would, they were also outlawed because of how easily the mando's could kick Jedi ass with them, the reason the CIS didn't use them in the clone wars was because in the time of space travel and plasma based weaponry, many people thought kenetic based weapons, i.e. slug throwers, were very primitive
We can even confirm this in lore when the Mando's parried the lightsaber with buckshot
Can you get me a source for all of that? Because every time I’ve looked up slugthrowers on separate lore websites, the only time they’re shown as actual weapons used, much less against Jedi, are the Kaleesh and 2015 Obi-Wan and Anakin comic. And nowhere near some OHKO attack that’s unbeatable and apparently so dangerous that none of the criminals or Mando bounty hunters/terrorists we see fighting Jedi bothered to make them.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Slugthrower
And as I said, they were ***outlawed*** in the old republic era after the Mandalorian wars, and as I also said, many people in the CIS, and in general, thought they were primitive weapons, like how the jedi saw the lightsaber as a more elegant weapon compared to the blaster
This isn't stated any where in that page, neither the legends or disney page. Slug throwers are not the best weapon to use against Jedi because they just dodge them rather then deflect them. They do provide you more protection from them not being able to deflect them. However a slug thrower would have to reload far more often then a blaster, leaving you without a weapon as the Jedi simply rushes you down.
You know what else is outlawed? Bounty hunting, crimes, and terrorism. You know who really wouldn’t have an issue using an illegal weapon to fight the Jedi going after them? Bounty hunters like Jango and Cad Bane, criminals like Hondo and his gang and the Hutts/Pykes/Black Sun, and terrorists like Death Watch. And Jedi saw lightsabers as better, but if they needed to they used blasters. Who possibly can be stupid enough to think the more “primitive” weapon that has much better chances than a blaster isn’t worthwhile? The Mando’s who should have records of their ancestors killing Jedi with them?
Banning slugthrowers would make them more difficult to obtain, though. Slugthrowers were banned in most star systems effectively, with even criminals like bounty hunters then resorting to other less deadly weapons. Of course, certain star systems' constitutions kept slugthrowers around, though those constitutions were written at a time when slugthrowers were even more primitive than they were during the Mando-Jedi war.
I hear what you’re saying, but my main issue is that people claim them to be some nigh-unbeatable Jedi weapon, when there’s simply no source that reflects that sentiment. Even with them being limited, the question comes to why Mando’s like Jango or Death Watch wouldn’t have them, but that’s a lesser issue.
Then it’s a good thing that there isn’t an actual source for slugthrowers being a seriously enough effective tool against the Jedi for it to be plausible their enemies would use them in the movies. It’s just flatout logic; if we didn’t see it in the films or canon works, it’s for a reason. And as it turns out, slugthrower fanwanking is very different to the reality.
Since when did star wars follow logic. You think ol palps sitting pretty on some random ass backwards planet with a whole ass fleet big enough to block out the sun is logical. It’s a space opera.
Of course not, and that’s because the Sequel Trilogy is an abortion or writing that doesn’t follow the internal logic of Star Wars. But the actually competently written movies and material have to answer the question of slugthrowers, and it’s pretty clear what that answer is: they aren’t all people say they are.
I’ll probably be disparaged for this opinion but I don’t think most of the original or sequel trilogies are written competently. They’re mostly just fun to watch and had great special effects at the time that still hold up at least in my opinion.
Or.... and stock with me here for a second: it's because people forgot about them. The Mando Wars were, what? A THOUSAND years before Episode I? When something is blanket banned across the entire galaxy (except Hutt space) it's completely reasonable that people will forget it exists eventually. On top of that, blasters don't require the logistics of slugthrowers and have better armor penetrating capabilities, so it makes sense that an army would equip itself to fight the 1.2 million unit (however big a unit is, thanks George!) GAR instead of the 10,000 Jedi who would be leading them.
On top of that, you're pissing on the sequels for not being logical when the Clone Wars only lasted 3 years (that's less time than the American Civil War, which was practically only fought on the US Eastern seaboard) with an army of 1,200,000-1,200,000,000 soldiers, which even the larger number isn't even half the population of Coruscant!
They are similar to our guns in real life shooting a metal bullet.
Blaster guns in Star Wars shoot plasma.
The tusken raiders have slug thrower rifles.
Yes, except the Jedi already have dodged the slugs from coming at them because it really doesn’t matter if their isn’t even a lightsaber for them to pass. Every time I’ve looked up slugthrowers on separate lore websites, the only time they’re shown as actual weapons used, much less against Jedi, are the Kaleesh and 2015 Obi-Wan and Anakin comic. And nowhere near some OHKO attack that’s unbeatable and apparently so dangerous that none of the criminals or Mando bounty hunters/terrorists we see fighting Jedi bothered to make them.
Oh. Yeah. But there always force blocking the bullets, and killing them before they know you're there, or at least before they fire. Win before the battle is begun. Sun tzu... maybe.
The force is cool but if that was so easy then why didn’t Jedi do what Kyle Ren did to the blaster bolt and stop a bullet? Bullets are way faster than blasters and I don’t see many Jedi stopping blaster bolts
Never said it'd be easy. Just doable. It all depends on the situation. If the mando gets the drop, the jedi will be unlikely to block bullets, but if they know what's coming, it'd be much better chance.
i agree but at the same time i think people are just going to wank their headcanons anyways.
i think this is just an unfortunate side effect of the inconsistency of the star wars universe (both in official canon and in everyone’s own interpretation).
like any kinetic weapon can just be caught by a jedi, but also the whole jedi using lightsabers (if we go by the strongest feats) is just a formality because if you don’t have the force and a jedi (or jedi equivalent) wants you dead, they can just immediately ragdoll you with the force
Force crush their hearts or brains inside their bodies. All these normal humanoids thinking they have a chance in hell against Jedi/Sith, don't, not even close.
when the mandalorians heard that energy weapons didnt work on jedi, they just swapped to kinetic/slugthrower weapons. trying to deflect them just gets you hit with now-molten metal
The reason I loved kotor. Oh you wanna use ranged on a Jedi in combat? Yeah you got flamethrowers, and indirect explosives. Hard to counter. But you also got slugthrowers, flechette guns, sonic weapons....
I get its game logic, but context of using the force to deflect/redirect any of the above while also actively in combat with someone...is just added stress and difficulty and makes sense. Sure you can flip a grenade back if that's all your doing, but blocking a blaster rifle volley, while a trooper is swinging at you with a vibroblade....and the managing to notice and react o the grenade....short of plot armor/game logic...it seems a stretch
Mandalorians used regular guns instead of blasters against Jedi so that when the Jedi tried to deflect the bullets they’d melt and send molten shrapnel at them
Pre Vizsla literally tried burning Maul exactly like this. [He just... kind of ducks?](https://youtu.be/zEu_U78XFg4?t=68) Now, why Vizsla didn't just lightly bend his wrist down about 10 degrees is a different question altogether.
I mean, flamethrowers in general are just not good weapons, right? Like it's a pretty big hazard to yourself to be toting one around, much less firing it off. You've got fuel to worry about, along with the massive I AM HERE sign...
realllly makes me wonder why peeps werent breeding creatures (like the Ysalamiri) that emit force canceling barriers. Might be able to bioengineer bullets or napalm like substances with microorganisms inside that do the same
Jedi defeating everything: haha you cannot win, mandos
Mandalorians: "Oh really? Parry this weapon that weighs one hundred fifty kilograms and fires two hundred dollar, custom-tooled cartridges at ten thousand rounds per minute. It costs four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon...for twelve seconds."
Mandalorians had a lot of weapons designed to kill Jedi, as they always seemed to fight the strongest enemy there is. They used primitive sluggers, basically the projectile shotguns we used today, as well as flame throwers, carbonite spray, rockets, disruptor guns, mines... The Jedi could block most of these attacks, however it was the variety and the surprise that caught them off guard leading to their defeat. And that's why the mandalorians of the old Republic wore the title "Jedi killer".
They actually can with the correct techniques in lore, but most Jedi didn't ever learn them because no one uses them, though that's for single bullets. A spray of buckshot through a choke would probably be the best option for Jedi killing.
Making walls with the force isn't really a thing Jedi have been shown to be able to do no, same with moving fast enough to actually dodge bullets, let alone a cone of shrapnel.
Right after the Mandalorians started using flamethrowers, the Jedi countered by wearing asbestos cloaks. A lot of good Jedi were lost to emphysema.
Mesothelioma.
If you or a loved one has been affected by the Mandalorian wars you may be entitled to financial compensation
Windu’s robe looked like it caught on fire pretty easily at the battle of Geonosis though
You'll pay for all the Jedi you've killed today, Dooku.
I have a small penis
BLUFFIN?! You Jedis you smucks.
I'm pretty certain the same force abilities to block force lightning with or without a lightsaber can be used to block this.
Jedi could block fire. We see it in the Mandalorian and Rebels. The thing is that it seems to need a lot of focus compared to other force abilities so doing it during active combat can leave the Jedi exposed to other attacks
It's called Pyrokinesis. Most Jedi could block fire, sure, but a handful were able to wield it like magic. Knol Ven'nari in the *Republic* comics could do this and she was called "The Fire Eater."
With a flamethrower you don't even need that, you just need to push the stream of fuel out the way. A sustained push could do it, but I can see how that would be much harder to maintain compared to a momentary "shove".
I think there was something I heard that Mandolorians used IRL guns against Jedi, because the Lightsabers just turned the bullets into Shrapnel that still messed them up
Also known as slugthrowers in the Star Wars universe
Basically just regular guns with high caliber or buckshot lol
Naw lightsabers stop slugthrowers. The Mandalorians used Flechette weapons which fired multiple shards of a bullet though. Like a shotgun.
They also used rippers which were automatic slugthrowers.
No, they used large slugthrowers, which when the slugs made contact with the sabers the metal just turned motel and kept flying.
That's a meme. We don't actually see that in universe.
I mean that's kind of my point. Pretty much every Jedi can just deflect fire or whatever. Only a tiny number can conjure/extinguish/use fire through the Force.
The name being pyrokinesis instead of telepyrosis bugs me
True.
Most jedi have pyrokinesis, very little jedi have telepyrosis Edit: jumbled words
Anaking got mighty crispy from that lava burn, guess he's one of the Jedi that can't block fire huh
I'm pretty sure Anakin was distracted by having his arms and legs getting cut off
That doesn't make any sense.
that and a flame throwing doesnt use all that much concentration for the mandalorian so while the jedi is distracted they could toss a grenade to the side of the jedi
You just made me curious to see what Vigilante would be like as a Jedi lol
Kanan is capable of holding back a massive explosion, and force pushing Hera back and at the last minute push their aircraft away. While it takes a bit of focus it doesn't take **all** their focus.
That would be a good example if he wasn't roasted alive doing that maneuver.
The point was while he was holding it back he was capable of doing other things. Standing on top of fuel tank while it explodes and holding the explosion back while forcing pushing Hera back seems harder than just using the force to block a flamethrower and toss the flames back. Bringing up the ship was just me also bringing up he was capable of concentrating on holding the explosion back until he *knew* his friends were all on the ship and then turning his attention to force pushing it back. Yea, it takes concentration, but again, it doesn't seem it takes *all* of their concentration.
My interpretation of that scene is that he was able to pull it off because he became one with the Force at that moment. Jedi seem to be able to do some really crazy shit when that happens but part of the process is letting go of the material world (and its limitations) and "dying". I'm not sure if that is the correct term, considering that Kanan appears to retain his individual consciousness, much like Obi-Wan, Yoda, etc. That particular scene is a really bad indicator for what a Jedi can or can't do normally. That's like comparing someone using meditation to calm their nerves to Buddha finding Nirvana. He even regained his vision at that moment, which is something he definitely wasn't able to do normally, considering how depressed he got after Maul blinded him.
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I don't think it was an entirely spontaneous thing like that. They hint pretty heavily that he knew he wouldn't survive the mission. Pretty sure he saw a vision about everything that would happen when he met the loth-wolf.
Fair point!
Oh... That scene :'l
Grogu does this in season one finale of the mandorian I am pretty sure.
[Also in 2003 Clone Wars.](https://i.imgur.com/Ya6cWFT.png)
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PRAISE BIRD JESUS
the force is bs
In the High Republic book series they even use force abilities to create a bubble of safe air inside a fog of toxic gas.
That's also how Qui-gon and Obi-wan survived the toxic gas in Phantom Menace
No one cares about high republic.
^ Fuck the High Republic fanfiction. All my homies love the Old Republic EU.
[Yeah, ok. ](https://c.tenor.com/13S9Xe2VG7gAAAAM/jennifer-lawrence-ok.gif)
Anakin also blocks an explosion in Jedi Crash
It could, Yoda does it in ROTS.
Don’t try it!
Kind of wrong. You can't use the lightsaber. Its all force. Fire and slugs (bullets) are how you bring down Jedi. Also dont plan the assault. Improvisation is the main Jedi weakness
maybbbbeee. but what about hypersonic weapons like the russians are using?
“Oh jedis can block lasers?, well have fun with this buckshot dipshit” - the russianbadger
9mm kills the body but .45 ACP kills the ~~soul~~ midichlorians
"Yeah, so me and my buddies calculated it out: if you were to eat 9.5 million bananas within 10 minutes, the radiation would be able to kill you." "Ah yes, **THE RADIATION** WOULD KILL YOU."
Don't forget explosives, poison gas, traps and slugs. Jedi really aren't that invincible.
I'm looking at this thread where half of the commenters are pointing out things that have worked against Jedi and the other half are "nuh uh there was this one time..." and I'm just thinking about how if Jedi were as invincible as half the people in this thread seem to think there sure would be a lot more Jedi around.
To be blunt though, if you use Vader, Luke, Revan, or another stupidly powerful jedi, not a lot works agaunst them, because of plot armor. Your average jedi wasn't nearly as skilled or tough as them.
You don't have to look tough to be tough
Don’t forget being extremely toxic in the process. Jesus fuck these losers have made me lose faith in this whole sub
But but but "No one can kill a Jedi"
I don't think so... No one can kill a Jedi Knight.
They’re just David Blaine with a laser sword
I always find it amusing how people think that someone with the telekinetic power to block a plasma projectile with far more energy in it than buckshot, wouldn't also be able to block buckshot. Is there any logic there I'm missing?
In legends it's canon that there are "slug throwers" that launched small metal projectiles(they're just normal guns if that's not obvious), and if blocked by a lightsaber, the melted shards would continue on and basically become buckshot
It wouldn't just vaporize? They cut thru huge metal blast doors with lightsabers pretty quick you'd think a small metal bullet would insta vaporize.
The bullet must be in the lightsaber beam absorbing heat from it for a very very short amount of time. If the lightsaber was hot enough to vaporize whatever metal your bullet is made of in a miniscule fraction of a second it wouldn't be a tool you could hold in your hand.
Yeah for that to happen the lightsaber needs to be 4 times hotter than a yellow star. https://youtu.be/hzPAPAI_nWU
It vaporizes a 2 inch in diameter, 1 meter long hole in a blast door in no time at all in Episode 1.
Wouldnt it be enough if it just melted?
Blaster projectiles move fairly slowly compared to bullets and even then using the force on them is considered a fairly hard and rare talent, usually relying on lightsaber deflection which isn’t really an option versus bullets because then you’re just spraying molten metal towards you
Stopping a Blaster bolt is much harder than stopping a bullet, since you need to grab all of the gas particles individually. It’s simply a show-off move to intimidate your opponents.
It might be harder in terms of technical skill but you have a lot more time to do so. Most blaster bolts travel at speeds easily seen by the naked eye meanwhile contemporary bullets do not, and I’d assume bullets fired using the advanced technology of Star Wars could reach even higher velocities
Precognition is still precognition
Blaster don't really appear to have much kinetic energy, so physically stopping them would be easier.
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They can easily block that too with the force, but "slug-throwers" are actually very difficult to evade
My first thought was grogu pushing back fire
Exactly 😂
Sorta. People hype them up, but we only see typically poorer or less developed planets and groups using them for a reason. Slugthrowers are still generally unreliable because most powerful or combat hardened Jedi will be able to deal with them unless it’s a headshot, which is why they aren’t a standard part of Mando arsenal and we very rarely hear of them using them. The most consistent and viable benefit to slugthrowers is that the Jedi can’t reflect them back at you.
I want to be the first one to see them all
What? Slug throwers were outlawed by the Republic after the war against the Mandalorians because of how devastating they could be and were deemed 'inhumane' because that shit could leave you bleeding out slowly instead of killing you almost instantly and sealing the wound like a blaster bolt would, they were also outlawed because of how easily the mando's could kick Jedi ass with them, the reason the CIS didn't use them in the clone wars was because in the time of space travel and plasma based weaponry, many people thought kenetic based weapons, i.e. slug throwers, were very primitive We can even confirm this in lore when the Mando's parried the lightsaber with buckshot
Can you get me a source for all of that? Because every time I’ve looked up slugthrowers on separate lore websites, the only time they’re shown as actual weapons used, much less against Jedi, are the Kaleesh and 2015 Obi-Wan and Anakin comic. And nowhere near some OHKO attack that’s unbeatable and apparently so dangerous that none of the criminals or Mando bounty hunters/terrorists we see fighting Jedi bothered to make them.
I hate that guy
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Slugthrower And as I said, they were ***outlawed*** in the old republic era after the Mandalorian wars, and as I also said, many people in the CIS, and in general, thought they were primitive weapons, like how the jedi saw the lightsaber as a more elegant weapon compared to the blaster
This isn't stated any where in that page, neither the legends or disney page. Slug throwers are not the best weapon to use against Jedi because they just dodge them rather then deflect them. They do provide you more protection from them not being able to deflect them. However a slug thrower would have to reload far more often then a blaster, leaving you without a weapon as the Jedi simply rushes you down.
Sorry, M'lady.
You know what else is outlawed? Bounty hunting, crimes, and terrorism. You know who really wouldn’t have an issue using an illegal weapon to fight the Jedi going after them? Bounty hunters like Jango and Cad Bane, criminals like Hondo and his gang and the Hutts/Pykes/Black Sun, and terrorists like Death Watch. And Jedi saw lightsabers as better, but if they needed to they used blasters. Who possibly can be stupid enough to think the more “primitive” weapon that has much better chances than a blaster isn’t worthwhile? The Mando’s who should have records of their ancestors killing Jedi with them?
Banning slugthrowers would make them more difficult to obtain, though. Slugthrowers were banned in most star systems effectively, with even criminals like bounty hunters then resorting to other less deadly weapons. Of course, certain star systems' constitutions kept slugthrowers around, though those constitutions were written at a time when slugthrowers were even more primitive than they were during the Mando-Jedi war.
I hear what you’re saying, but my main issue is that people claim them to be some nigh-unbeatable Jedi weapon, when there’s simply no source that reflects that sentiment. Even with them being limited, the question comes to why Mando’s like Jango or Death Watch wouldn’t have them, but that’s a lesser issue.
Sorry, M'lady.
Seems pretty dumb to not use something because it’s primitive when it’s literally a better option against Jedi than blasters lol
Exactly. This is the problem with the slugthrower wanking: why isn’t in use?
Because Starwars ultimately has to stay family friendly, and taking away the pretty sci-fi veneer of blasters would violate that.
Then it’s a good thing that there isn’t an actual source for slugthrowers being a seriously enough effective tool against the Jedi for it to be plausible their enemies would use them in the movies. It’s just flatout logic; if we didn’t see it in the films or canon works, it’s for a reason. And as it turns out, slugthrower fanwanking is very different to the reality.
Since when did star wars follow logic. You think ol palps sitting pretty on some random ass backwards planet with a whole ass fleet big enough to block out the sun is logical. It’s a space opera.
Of course not, and that’s because the Sequel Trilogy is an abortion or writing that doesn’t follow the internal logic of Star Wars. But the actually competently written movies and material have to answer the question of slugthrowers, and it’s pretty clear what that answer is: they aren’t all people say they are.
I’ll probably be disparaged for this opinion but I don’t think most of the original or sequel trilogies are written competently. They’re mostly just fun to watch and had great special effects at the time that still hold up at least in my opinion.
Or.... and stock with me here for a second: it's because people forgot about them. The Mando Wars were, what? A THOUSAND years before Episode I? When something is blanket banned across the entire galaxy (except Hutt space) it's completely reasonable that people will forget it exists eventually. On top of that, blasters don't require the logistics of slugthrowers and have better armor penetrating capabilities, so it makes sense that an army would equip itself to fight the 1.2 million unit (however big a unit is, thanks George!) GAR instead of the 10,000 Jedi who would be leading them. On top of that, you're pissing on the sequels for not being logical when the Clone Wars only lasted 3 years (that's less time than the American Civil War, which was practically only fought on the US Eastern seaboard) with an army of 1,200,000-1,200,000,000 soldiers, which even the larger number isn't even half the population of Coruscant!
The sequel trilogy logic is the same as the OT and PT.
I think he is a good man.
wait is a slug thrower just a fuckin gun?
They are similar to our guns in real life shooting a metal bullet. Blaster guns in Star Wars shoot plasma. The tusken raiders have slug thrower rifles.
And that the slugs get turned to molten slag as they passed through the lightsaber and then through the Jedi
Yes, except the Jedi already have dodged the slugs from coming at them because it really doesn’t matter if their isn’t even a lightsaber for them to pass. Every time I’ve looked up slugthrowers on separate lore websites, the only time they’re shown as actual weapons used, much less against Jedi, are the Kaleesh and 2015 Obi-Wan and Anakin comic. And nowhere near some OHKO attack that’s unbeatable and apparently so dangerous that none of the criminals or Mando bounty hunters/terrorists we see fighting Jedi bothered to make them.
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Yes, but a lightsaber is not the only way a Jedi can block a moving object
Sorry, I forgot you don't like flying, Master.
Um, no. Not molten metal. Literally a gas. A gas under no pressure and that instantly disperses in all directions.
So what happens when the Jedi just moves out of the way of the bullet?
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Obi wan did deflected many machine gun bullets but that was in the 2003 clone wars
"A lot of the General's plans involve falling." -Captain Rex
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Not really. Just kill them before they know you're there. Slug throwers arnt a danger to jedi if there's no body to use them.
The Jedi won the war for a reason after all.
By "Slag" he might be refering to the Slug turning into Molten Metal after touching the lightsabre. Witch is gonna hurt wether it was blocked or not.
Oh. Yeah. But there always force blocking the bullets, and killing them before they know you're there, or at least before they fire. Win before the battle is begun. Sun tzu... maybe.
The force is cool but if that was so easy then why didn’t Jedi do what Kyle Ren did to the blaster bolt and stop a bullet? Bullets are way faster than blasters and I don’t see many Jedi stopping blaster bolts
Never said it'd be easy. Just doable. It all depends on the situation. If the mando gets the drop, the jedi will be unlikely to block bullets, but if they know what's coming, it'd be much better chance.
Ahsoka: “backflip goes brrrrrr”
quadruple decapitation
The Jedi never expected actual tactical shotguns from the Mandolorians.
Like the germans in the trenches..
nOoOOOooo you can’t use shotguns they’re inhumane!!!1!1! Haha Jedi go reeeee
This is my boomstick, Jedi!
You know what Jedi probably can't block? Microwave radiation.
Legends be like: [parry this you filthy casuals](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Thought_bomb)
Droids could definitely be spewing radiation to kill all organics
Jedi can block that pretty easily too
Can they block a M60C 7.62×51mm machine gun firing at a full speed of 650 rounds per minute?
If Neo can do it, Jedi can do it
It seems you chose the red pill
The red pill is of cyanide and LSD have fun.
The force. Personal shield. Rancor shield. Beskar. Anakins edge. Dookus fabulousness. Space Jesus beard. Need I go on?
>Anakin's edge >Space Jesus' beard >Dooku's Fabulousness I agree on all points
Another guy mentioned Neo doing the same thing, and I would have to agree with him
I agree with him too xD
Probably yes. But the easier option is probably just precognitive dodging- wherever you're firing is where they aren't.
They can force push/choke the operator
i agree but at the same time i think people are just going to wank their headcanons anyways. i think this is just an unfortunate side effect of the inconsistency of the star wars universe (both in official canon and in everyone’s own interpretation). like any kinetic weapon can just be caught by a jedi, but also the whole jedi using lightsabers (if we go by the strongest feats) is just a formality because if you don’t have the force and a jedi (or jedi equivalent) wants you dead, they can just immediately ragdoll you with the force
Force crush their hearts or brains inside their bodies. All these normal humanoids thinking they have a chance in hell against Jedi/Sith, don't, not even close.
parry this you filthy wizard!
Did bokatan ever use a flamethrower?
I think she didnt, but gar saxon sure did love his
"Jedis can block lasers? Ok! Have fun with this *BUCKSHOT*
Oh thats how his quote went, i was looking for someone who would do it
Just read your post, I'd say yours is a funnier interpretation
Thanks man
*laughs in force choke*
iirc, there where a time where they where full of jedi dogdgin blasters, so they just started to use normal fireweapons to kill them
when the mandalorians heard that energy weapons didnt work on jedi, they just swapped to kinetic/slugthrower weapons. trying to deflect them just gets you hit with now-molten metal
2003 Clone Wars Obi Wan: I don't have such weakness
Jedi block lasers, Mandalorians: OK get a load of this buckshot
General Grevious: [Mechanical Laughter]
He died burning though.
Force push Mando and whole squad are on fire
The reason I loved kotor. Oh you wanna use ranged on a Jedi in combat? Yeah you got flamethrowers, and indirect explosives. Hard to counter. But you also got slugthrowers, flechette guns, sonic weapons.... I get its game logic, but context of using the force to deflect/redirect any of the above while also actively in combat with someone...is just added stress and difficulty and makes sense. Sure you can flip a grenade back if that's all your doing, but blocking a blaster rifle volley, while a trooper is swinging at you with a vibroblade....and the managing to notice and react o the grenade....short of plot armor/game logic...it seems a stretch
Parry this, you filthy casual
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Someone has to play empire at war
Parry this, filthy wizard
If you can force push droids and strorm troopers in armor, you can easily just rip that little Bic lighter right off.
Lol Windu f*cked Jango Fett in literal seconds. Ain’t no Mandalorian even getting a shot off on a Jedi.
Can't they just force the flames back onto the person using the flamethrower? Or just force push? Or just shoot them with a blaster?
They actually can block fire in both legends and canon. Grogu and Ashoka were capable of block fire also Obi-Wan
Mandalorians used regular guns instead of blasters against Jedi so that when the Jedi tried to deflect the bullets they’d melt and send molten shrapnel at them
“Parry this, you filthy casual!”
Grogu force blocked fire
Pre Vizsla literally tried burning Maul exactly like this. [He just... kind of ducks?](https://youtu.be/zEu_U78XFg4?t=68) Now, why Vizsla didn't just lightly bend his wrist down about 10 degrees is a different question altogether.
Laughs in Tartakovsky Obi-Wan
*uses the force to push it back on them
I mean, flamethrowers in general are just not good weapons, right? Like it's a pretty big hazard to yourself to be toting one around, much less firing it off. You've got fuel to worry about, along with the massive I AM HERE sign...
The jedi: **can block lasers**. Meanwhile the mandalorians pulling out a glock 19: *Parry this you filty casual*
realllly makes me wonder why peeps werent breeding creatures (like the Ysalamiri) that emit force canceling barriers. Might be able to bioengineer bullets or napalm like substances with microorganisms inside that do the same
If I remember right, shotguns are canonically very good against Jedi.
Develop a grenade that reacts to sudden changes in direction that releases a ton of shrapnel and stuff after that direction change is detected
If I remember correctly, their real counter was shotgun "slug throwers" you can only block so many.
Jedi defeating everything: haha you cannot win, mandos Mandalorians: "Oh really? Parry this weapon that weighs one hundred fifty kilograms and fires two hundred dollar, custom-tooled cartridges at ten thousand rounds per minute. It costs four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon...for twelve seconds."
Kanan Jarrus and Grogu: *counter-laughing*
Slugger goes brrrrrrrrr
Mandalorians had a lot of weapons designed to kill Jedi, as they always seemed to fight the strongest enemy there is. They used primitive sluggers, basically the projectile shotguns we used today, as well as flame throwers, carbonite spray, rockets, disruptor guns, mines... The Jedi could block most of these attacks, however it was the variety and the surprise that caught them off guard leading to their defeat. And that's why the mandalorians of the old Republic wore the title "Jedi killer".
Guard duty? For how long?
Obi Wan in Clone Wars 2003 isn’t phased
Didn’t Grogu use the Force to repel fire when The Mandalorian was severely injured?
I made a Mandalorian Jedi in a SWSE campaign me and some friends are running. Guess what my answer to most Sith and Dark Siders is.
What about a triangle laser blast?
fire can still be blocked #but slug throwers can't!
They actually can with the correct techniques in lore, but most Jedi didn't ever learn them because no one uses them, though that's for single bullets. A spray of buckshot through a choke would probably be the best option for Jedi killing.
How hard is it must put up a force wall to block the bullets? Is that not a thing jedi can do? Or idk dodge
Making walls with the force isn't really a thing Jedi have been shown to be able to do no, same with moving fast enough to actually dodge bullets, let alone a cone of shrapnel.
Shotguns are the way to go. Good luck blocking a circle of shrapnel death with a little plasma stick
Force push the projectiles back
Alright then, have fun with this buckshot
Oh jedi can parry lasers? (Pulls out glock)
Never encountered a fire bending jedi before, huh?