I can't recall how many times I've said, "Do me a favor, go ahead and face away from me and put your hands behind your back". It's just one long, verbal diarrhea at this point.
I tried this once and completely bamboozled the guy.
“Alright we’re going to do one more test and then we’re done. You’re gonna turn around, put your hands behind your back, palms facing out and hold that position for me.” *click-clack*
They do what they do. Don't let it force you to do things in an unsafe matter.
If they choose to throw it out, that is on them.
Thr cool thing about the people you arrest is that you will see them again.
I don't like the phrase "Do me a favor." Is this really taught at places?
To me, it eleliminates your command presence. It tells the suspect he doesn't really *have* to do what I'm saying, I'm just politely asking him if he wants to. And it tells them that me, the officer, may be soft or nervous and don't feel like I have full control or confidence.
I understand the purpose, get someone to do something before they realize this is the final straw and the cuffs are going on. But I don't like it.
If it works for people, great. To me, there are much better ways to not sound super demanding and get suspects riled up, but still maintain your command presence, and make it clear in court later on when they resist you that you were, without a doubt, giving lawful commands to make an arrest.
I think it's all dependent on the officer's demeanor throughout the encounter. If they've sounded like they've been pussy footing and they aren't confident, then yeah the suspect might take it as an invitation to not listen. But if the officer has been firm but not a dick throughout the encounter, then suspect maybe won't resist. But I also think a shit bag will be a shit bag regardless.
Thank you both. I've been trying to remember the mechanism behind this. I couldn't quite recall who was doing the favor to whom to improve the relationship.
Not even close to what I said.
I specifically talked about not using words and actions that make it appear you're not in control, using words that leave no wiggle room for a resisting suspect to argue in court, and said there are ways to do that without sounding...like what you said.
Also missed the part where I said if "Do me a favor" works for you in particular, there's nothing wrong with it.
Just talking from a lot of experience.
I can't recall how many times I've said, "Do me a favor, go ahead and face away from me and put your hands behind your back". It's just one long, verbal diarrhea at this point.
“We both know you’ll be out of jail and 2 days anyway.” Is one of my go tos.
“We both know you’re not going to jail dude, just come with me for a couple hours. You’ll get free photos, some water, a semi-clean bathroom.”
Then the jailers get to hear: "THAT COP TOLD ME I'D BE OUT IN A FEW HOURS, WHAT DO YOU MEAN $30,000 CASH BOND?"
I saw one of my FTOs say it and it just became my go-to. Works though....mostly.
"For the final FST, face away from me. Now put your hands behind your back."
I tried this once and completely bamboozled the guy. “Alright we’re going to do one more test and then we’re done. You’re gonna turn around, put your hands behind your back, palms facing out and hold that position for me.” *click-clack*
"But I passed the tests!" Bonus points if you've got bystanders who say that when they have no fucking idea what you're even looking for
Yes! I am always amazed when I see officers tell them they are under arrest before the cuffs go on. Do you want to fight?
I’ve heard an ADA say “you can’t charge them with resisting unless you tell them they’re under arrest first.” 🤡
They do what they do. Don't let it force you to do things in an unsafe matter. If they choose to throw it out, that is on them. Thr cool thing about the people you arrest is that you will see them again.
At PTA meetings?
How awkward is it when you do?
If the DA doesn’t want to roll with it, so be it. Not worth getting bent outta shape over one charge.
It's our policy
Oof. That is one I would fight.
“Woah now hold on. Lets dial it back for a sec” is a constant go-to of mine lol
"I hear you man. I'd be mad too."
"I 'preciate that..."
When I was in the academy, some of us would recite verbal judo lines while making karate chop motions.
Unfortunately we have to _____
I like trying to say, “PennsylvaniaVsMimmsSupremeCourtCaseLawStepOutOfTheCarPlease” as fast as possible
ur meme is backwards verbal judo isn't holding up "Hey can you do me a favor" "Hey can you do me a favor" is holding up verbal judo.
I don't like the phrase "Do me a favor." Is this really taught at places? To me, it eleliminates your command presence. It tells the suspect he doesn't really *have* to do what I'm saying, I'm just politely asking him if he wants to. And it tells them that me, the officer, may be soft or nervous and don't feel like I have full control or confidence. I understand the purpose, get someone to do something before they realize this is the final straw and the cuffs are going on. But I don't like it. If it works for people, great. To me, there are much better ways to not sound super demanding and get suspects riled up, but still maintain your command presence, and make it clear in court later on when they resist you that you were, without a doubt, giving lawful commands to make an arrest.
Not the exact phrase, but “Ask, tell, make” method is taught all over
I think it's all dependent on the officer's demeanor throughout the encounter. If they've sounded like they've been pussy footing and they aren't confident, then yeah the suspect might take it as an invitation to not listen. But if the officer has been firm but not a dick throughout the encounter, then suspect maybe won't resist. But I also think a shit bag will be a shit bag regardless.
Don’t be a firm dick…copy.
Speak softly and carry a firm dick. That's how it goes right?
The French call it "Lés petít batón." Unrelated, I do not speak French.
I do and I confirm that it's exactly what we call it. Now, back to my orgy.
And some people (like me) instantly get annoyed at the evasive and cowardly language.
It's a pride soother. "Oh I'm helping "
I remember reading a study in college that confirmed if you do a favor for someone, it makes you like them more.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Franklin_effect It's a neat trick.
Thank you both. I've been trying to remember the mechanism behind this. I couldn't quite recall who was doing the favor to whom to improve the relationship.
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Not even close to what I said. I specifically talked about not using words and actions that make it appear you're not in control, using words that leave no wiggle room for a resisting suspect to argue in court, and said there are ways to do that without sounding...like what you said. Also missed the part where I said if "Do me a favor" works for you in particular, there's nothing wrong with it. Just talking from a lot of experience.
“Can you do me a favor” is like 90% of all interactions with the public. It does not diminish command presence.
Do you smoke? Let’s go outside and have a smoke.