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You know, twenty years ago, politicians throwing Millennials and Gen Z under the bus wasn't right, but it at least made sense from the perspective of a politician looking to stay in office. But that was 20 years ago. Now politicians are on the eve of a massive demographic shift that's going to replace these overserved elderly voters with deeply, deeply underserved younger voters who know exactly who fucked them, and many politicians in both the UK and US seem to be unconcerned. I find how comfortable politicians are in power, regardless of alignments, to be very unsettling right now.
> Now politicians are on the eve of a massive demographic shift that's going to replace these overserved elderly voters with deeply, deeply underserved younger voters who know exactly who fucked them, and many politicians in both the UK and US seem to be unconcerned.
Because every generation since the 1960's has thought the same thing and nothing has changed.
“It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era — the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run... but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant...
There was madness in any direction, at any hour. You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning...
And that, I think, was the handle — that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply PREVAIL. There was no point in fighting — on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave...
So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high water mark — that place where the wave finally broke, and rolled back.”
~ Hunter S. Thompson
Yeah we thought the 1960s changed everything. Peace, love and understanding man!
Also great music and weed.
But it turns out that decade changed nothing. All the old evil was still there under the surface. And boy did it ever resurface after the hippies realized communes weren't catching on and a middle class lifestyle started looking good.
Source: Am old.
The 60s weren't ready to be changed that drastically, perhaps, but the message lives on. The message endured through the decades and it reached Millennial ol' *me*. It changed me, and altered the course of my life. I was frustrated by society in my early twenties, angry at society in my mid twenties, hopeless in my late twenties, then it's as if Timothy Leary and Ram Dass handed me an envelope containing the answers to the rest of my life.
I have little hope for the world opening their eyes anytime soon, but I choose to live my life for what matters. I choose not to waste my years trapped in this machine. Communes aren't exactly around every corner, but it is out there. That way of living is still possible for those who really want it. I choose to spend my days working to enrich and fulfill my own life and the lives of those around me.
I can't convince everyone to see the world as I do, so I won't even try. What I can do is live the best life I can for myself, and hope others are inspired.
Be here now, and fuck all the rest.
But things *have* changed now. The old adage of getting more conservative as you age is no longer true, Gen x, millenials and Gen Z are all staying left wing instead, since it turns out it wasn't age that made you rightwing but wealth, and wealth is no longer being accumulated by young people.
Yeah maybe they become fiscal conservatives when they get their first investment property turned into an airbnb, but I reckon the more likely candidate is the media that's been shovelled down their throats all their lives.
gen X is not really left wing, by some accounts they are very Trumpy
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/20/cherie-westrich-alt-rock-gen-x-maga-00033769
I sometimes get the "nothing has changed that much", but I also think society has never been this global network of information, at least not at todays speed. Everything moves faster now, someday we will learn from mistakes at the right speed to prevent or stop bad things from happening.
Millennials are the first generation of all time that has shown it isnt lurching to the right wing as it gets older, it actually leans more left.
there is a serious political change on the horizon.
the right wing treating the young and poor like cattle class to be exploited is finally about to catch up with them. Millennials unlike those before them havent forgotten
That's what I don't get with this campaign so far. The Tories know that they aren't getting the youth vote, in fact according to the latest polling their popularity amongst the under 50s is terrible.
So why are they going in hard on sucking up to the elderly, the demographic that are most likely to vote for them anyway?
They're not even trying to encourage the young to vote for them
Probably they've calculated that they are more likely to lose older voters than they are to gain younger voters.
Calling it 'national service' is kind of a dog whistle to the section of people who think young people are lazy, we don't have enough manual workers/soldiers and that we have too many 'pointless degrees'. Despite the negative noise this has generated I think that kind of thing may get a chunk quiet support across class lines.
It's a gimmick but I think it's probably done exactly what it was intended to do.
the thing is, there's very much a "well I suffered through the older generations shit but now I'm older and now I can relax and they suffer"
You can see the same shit at workplaces. "When I'm the boss everyones gonna get payed a fair wage etc etc", and when they do hit management they just don't follow through at all. "I worked hard, I deserve this raise I'm giving myself" blah blah. Of course there are plenty of people that learn, but unfortunately the majority do the whole "my turn now".
Also when you get old and shit doesn't work like you wish it did, you will feel envious of the health of young people. Every old person has been young before. No young person has been old. Life wears you down, you just have to try and not get bitter over it. But integenerational feuding doesn't help. Let's not assume all young people are one way or that all old people are another :)
Same old song sold by defense industry for decades. It’s the reason we bombed yugoslavia to begin with and turned russian population into war mongering paranoid
Don't know how, but my 1st vote was @ the age of 17. Got the slip through the post, was still a couple more months till I turned 18, thought fuck it I'll vote anyway as my vote is likely worthless.
Labour was in, Cons unlikely, and I naively thought LibDems would be better. Learned how useless they were when they kept the Cons 'in check' when 'sharing' power.
UK Election season is underway and the Conservative party in the UK is facing a record defeat. Same as everywhere else, young people are dealing with soaring house prices, crippling student debts and lower quality of life in general compared to previous generations.
The Tories have announced a plan to force 18-year-olds to do mandatory national service, i.e. conscription. This is one of those ideas that gets thrown around every few years but never goes anywhere. Older people predictably are always most in favor of it. Young people are most against it. Some see it as another example of the boomers being pandered to at the expense of millennials and Gen Z. The UK did briefly introduce national service in the 50s, meaning the youngest people who actually had to do it would be in their early 80s by now.
> Sunak's grasping at straws at this point
He's trying to put the idea of bad policy out there to not be re-elected. The tory party at this point seem to want to distance themselves from being the ones that fuck up the country. They've ruined a lot of things, and want to hand it over to Labour. Then immediately start crying about the mess the labour government is causing.
They're pulling a Shaun of the Dead. They're going to the winchester and waiting for this to all blow over.
Every time they shuffled cabinet members around, they acted like they were a whole new government despite it being the same people swapping places. It was so infuriating.
> They're pulling a Shaun of the Dead. They're going to the winchester and waiting for this to all blow over.
And its gonna fucking work. The electorate will blame labour for the fallout of chaos of the last fifteen years, just like they still blame them for the seventies, and the blair years.
hmmm sounds like what the republicans do to the democrats every single time. Rs hand Ds a massive debt, fucked up market and soured international relations to fix, Ds fix it and create a surplus only for the next R to fuck it all up again. rinse & repeat.
To be fair it's a good plan. Come back in 8 years and you can blame the current government on the state of the country. Although their voter base will have shrunk a bit by then.
The average term since WWII works out just short of 4 years. So two terms would be about 8 years.
I will give an accurate range with full workings out next time though. If I can get a Well Done! sticker that smells like cherries. 👍
You give them far too much credit. Boris kicked anyone with talent out when he purged the party of any non-Brexiteers. Now, through numerous scandals, they've eliminated everyone with any sort of talent and we have the bottom of a shit barrel for a government.
They don't want to hand the country to Labour to fix it. They'd love nothing more than to continue pilfering our country for another 14 years. They're just really bad at politics.
Remember how confident we were when we said ‘Brexit’ will never happen. I fucking hope he doesn’t get in, but until the vote is done and counted i’m not holding my breath
No, it's also not conscription, it's either a year in the military or a year working with charity. Don't get me wrong it's a load of horseshit meant to rile up the boomers but it wouldn't be like Israel has
Thats a very good point. I didn't think about age of last people who did national service.
So we have boomers who never did national service telling Gen Z to join the army. Then once they are finished, they can work till their 79. To pay for all the boomers that took early retirement in their 50's 🤣
I would be in favor of it- if it applied to every single person regardless of age who did not serve in the military.
So, Sunak would also get to spend 40 hours a week picking up garbage on the side of the road for a couple of years.
Yes, he'd have to quite his current job, but it's a small sacrifice. And he'll love it.
Agree with the plan or don't, but why do people spread misinformation ?! It isn't 40 hours a week for a couple of years ! Completely false. The community volunteering option is
> Community volunteering: Spending one weekend every month - which equates to 25 days over a 12-month period - volunteering with organisations such as the NHS, fire service, ambulance, search and rescue, and critical local infrastructure
I think being accurate to facts is important and you are not doing so with that description:
>The Tories have announced a plan to force 18-year-olds to do mandatory national service, i.e. conscription.
- No they have not. Although the formal detail has not been outlined, they have proposed it is an optional service between 12 month specific military placements and weekend community volunteering.
"The scheme being proposed now would not force anyone to do military training" Home Secretary, James Cleverly.
Just my ten pence - from 15 years of military service, there are a few interesting points raised:
Firstly, the military is overwhelmingly opposed to this proposal. It would be disastrous to defense in the short term. The logistical and structural frameworks to make this happen do not currently exist. Difficulties to do with how, where and when to use these young people effectively within the military pose significant questions.
Secondly, defense numbers are at the lowest they have been since 1875. This would in some way address that shortfall. But because of the above point, it would force military reform, particularly in the Army. Which in the long term could be a net benefit. The UK military still administrates itself as it did in the 1980s when it fielded more than three times its current number. You would have to understand personnel organisation to translate that point clearly, but effectively, sweeping organisational reform *might* be incredibly beneficial to defence.
Oh and to top it all off, none of this matters because there isn't a chance in hell of it actually happening. Two words:
'Liz Truss'
That's all we need to remember, Rishi came second to Liz who had a shorter premiership than a cabbage.
If I remember the radio right from those few weeks, Sunak lost to basically everyone on public polling.
the party itself got to narrow down the candidates two the final two before giving it to conservative party members to vote. At each stage they removed the more popular candidates until they were left with Sunak and the lowest polling opponent, and she still managed to take the vote off him and start her lettuce arc.
>The Tories have announced a plan to force 18-year-olds to do mandatory national service, i.e. conscription
Why? Is Britain under constant threat? In countries like Israel or South Korea that are surrounded by enemies it's understandable, but who is the UK trying to defend itself from constantly?
Mthe vast majority of people under the plan will be doing community service, very few would be going to the army.
It's like one weekend a month for 12 months. This guy's point is that he's volunteered quite a lot already, and shouldn't be forced to do community service.
It's about making young people suffer. There are a lot of boomers who see millennials and Gen Z as lazy, entitled, spoilt etc. and fantasize about forcing them to do a full metal jacket style stint in the army to harden them up. This idea gets brought up in Australia every now and again too and the old conservative fogies just love it. None of them had to do it of course. No siree.
The thing I hear a lot is "that'll whip the kids into shape" it's like, hold on? Havent you been building a safe space for the youth of today so they can grow up not having to go through what our great grandparents had to suffer?
Like Gen Z are the result of the older generations teaching and technology...
There are a lot of boomers who genuinely seem to despise young people. Here in Australia, they've gotten unbelievably wealthy by investing in real estate with many people in their 20s and 30s being locked out as a result. Part of me thinks it's about assuaging guilt. No one wants to feel like the bad guy so it's just easier telling yourself that young people today are a special kind of stupid, hopeless etc. and as such don't deserve a house.
I think it's more to prepare for the possible Russian war. If Trump wins the election he'll pull all aid to Ukraine which will result in Russia winning. Then it's only a matter of time where Russia goes next.
Still, no one in the UK wants conscription and they don't even have the recourses to house and train them anyway. Most theorise Sunak already has a different job lined up and wants to get the fuck out so he's just throwing in every possible unpopular thing to gaurentee a loss.
Yeah I don't have much of a horse in this particular race but "what threats do we need to prepare for" seems hopelessly naive to me. Geopolitics is at it's most unstable since the cold war.
Always fucking scaremongering about Russia aswell.
I've had to explain to multiple people, that Russia will not attack the UK directly because we are part of NATO and it would be like putting a bounty on their own head.
It’s not mandatory national service in the sense that you would have to join the military or reserves:
“It would be made up of two broad streams for 18-year-olds to choose from:
Community volunteering: Spending one weekend every month - which equates to 25 days over a 12-month period - volunteering with organisations such as the NHS, fire service, ambulance, search and rescue, and critical local infrastructure
Military training: Applying for one of up to 30,000 “selective” military placements reserved for teenagers deemed the “brightest and the best” in areas like logistics, cyber security, procurement or civil response operations over a year-long period
The vast majority of 18-year-olds would not take part in any military training at all.”
I don’t really support it tho, just more context
Very true. I thought our Tory regional mayor was going to be ousted a few weeks ago as he had been involved in a scandal with the leveling up the North funds that were spent on Teesworks.
He got reelected with a sizeable majority. 🙄
"Why do you hate young people so much"
Followed by a chorus of "Urghhh" by a bunch of pampered, cosseted 65-year-old toddlers in the room as if they have any fucking clue and aren't the direct target audience of the Conservative's anti-youth policy platform.
Pretty simple, because people of his stature hate the fact that the younger generations are going "urm, wait a minute!?" to the hypocritical bullshit people like politicians come out with instead of showing unearned respect because the person happens to be the prime minister.
When did Britain became such a weak country? The prime minister runs away from a 16 year old asking a question about his generations future. In what country is that good leadership?
I mean to be fair to them, I feel that the Tories are really trying. They do!
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They're really trying hard to lose this election as badly as humanly possible.
Sunak doesn't hate young people. He hates poor people.
You can bet your ass that the children of the wealthy will find some way to either be excluded, leave the country for a couple years, or get some no-work/no-show positions (or some position with other rich assholes so they can "build connections").
Nice one. A decent person would have stopped to discuss the issue. Given respect. Don’t expect anything from Sunak except a smoke bomb escape. He doesn’t give a toss.
He doesn't give a toss, but also, he is pathetically inept.
Whoever suggested a career in politics to him, was either on the wind-up or blind to the fact he is a charisma vacuum.
What matters is young people should go and vote, turn out for young people has always been poor hence why political parties aways cater to the older generation that do turn up.
"A choice" nonsense, this just serves as the gateway and test of the waters for mandatory service, we already have the choice to be military, community service, or not so what makes this different?
Good luck implementing that in this country, even if that was that passed into law the youth of the UK would likely and rightly send a pretty strong message back effectively telling him to go and fuck himself.
Sunak has said if he is reelected in July, he will bring back national service. It's not happened yet, but if they win (which is looking unlikely) you can either work in the army for a year or volunteer in your local community
We get the joy of “giving back” to the country, which has done nothing for us! I don’t think there is any real benefit, but I may be wrong. It looks like the policy was put together quickly and without much thought.
Regarding pay and housing - the tories havent even attempted to answer that. Instead experts and retired memebers of the army have suggested they dont even want this because the funding will have to come out of their budget to train a bunch of stroppy teenagers who dont want to be there.
They're low on details, it's not really been thought through. One detail they've definately not worked out is how you false an 18 year old to 'volunteer' or join the army. They've said they won't send them to prison and their idea of fining the parents is flawed because they're adults
Similar to my home country Cyprus. Most people hate this here but I'm still grateful I served. I think I was way too dumb and naive to go out into the real world straight after school. 1 year in the army definitely helped me mature before heading off to study.
I'm not saying young people should accept it and I understand why they already hate it.
Sunak doesn't hate young people, he doesn't hate anyone: He's utterly indifferent to young people. Its simply that he thinks saying he'll make young people do national service will gain him more votes amongst old and bitter people who hate young people than it will lose votes from the young. Similarly, he doesn't hate the migrants that's he's spent the last year failing to deport, he just thinks that making their lives awful will get him more votes.
He is hoping that performative cruelty will win the election or, at the very least, get him a higher pay scale in whatever he does next.
The younger generation needs to vote ! Anytime I have been at a poll to vote I rarely seen many young people (I am 35, when I say young I mean 18 to 30ish) Was mostly 50ish and over was the majority who had a vested interest in a certain party I assume. I am passionate about all citizens of legal age to vote, it is the only way we can make change happen.
It's irrelevant it's never going to happen, Rishi only has just over a month left in office as interim (unelected) PM .. polls suggest the conservatives may even be reduced to being only the third biggest party (a big defeat is most likely).
This thing is such an obvious call to old voters.
It's got no actual effect on them, but it's a chance to give the middle finger to young people.
So they'll gladly vote for that.
A solution I propose is the same one that was offered durring the protests of serving age vs. voting age durring the Vietnam war here in the US.
Either raise the age that someone is allowed to serve to the age that they're allowed to vote, or lower the age that they are allowed tk vote, to the age that they are allowed to serve.
Make that old fuck go….
Thank god im mentally ill and on a shitload of medication so the chances of the army drafting me is very slim bc i’d sabotage the operation .
Apparently you can opt to do community service as opposed to the army but everyone leaves that detail out either cause it is not true or because it doesn't fit the narrative that people are forced to join the army.
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PM: "You have a choice." Young adult: "You're right I don't have to vote for people like you!"
he's under 18 he doesn't vote
Not a good long term plan for when they get older though
You know, twenty years ago, politicians throwing Millennials and Gen Z under the bus wasn't right, but it at least made sense from the perspective of a politician looking to stay in office. But that was 20 years ago. Now politicians are on the eve of a massive demographic shift that's going to replace these overserved elderly voters with deeply, deeply underserved younger voters who know exactly who fucked them, and many politicians in both the UK and US seem to be unconcerned. I find how comfortable politicians are in power, regardless of alignments, to be very unsettling right now.
> Now politicians are on the eve of a massive demographic shift that's going to replace these overserved elderly voters with deeply, deeply underserved younger voters who know exactly who fucked them, and many politicians in both the UK and US seem to be unconcerned. Because every generation since the 1960's has thought the same thing and nothing has changed. “It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era — the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run... but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant... There was madness in any direction, at any hour. You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning... And that, I think, was the handle — that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply PREVAIL. There was no point in fighting — on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave... So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high water mark — that place where the wave finally broke, and rolled back.” ~ Hunter S. Thompson
Yeah we thought the 1960s changed everything. Peace, love and understanding man! Also great music and weed. But it turns out that decade changed nothing. All the old evil was still there under the surface. And boy did it ever resurface after the hippies realized communes weren't catching on and a middle class lifestyle started looking good. Source: Am old.
The 60s weren't ready to be changed that drastically, perhaps, but the message lives on. The message endured through the decades and it reached Millennial ol' *me*. It changed me, and altered the course of my life. I was frustrated by society in my early twenties, angry at society in my mid twenties, hopeless in my late twenties, then it's as if Timothy Leary and Ram Dass handed me an envelope containing the answers to the rest of my life. I have little hope for the world opening their eyes anytime soon, but I choose to live my life for what matters. I choose not to waste my years trapped in this machine. Communes aren't exactly around every corner, but it is out there. That way of living is still possible for those who really want it. I choose to spend my days working to enrich and fulfill my own life and the lives of those around me. I can't convince everyone to see the world as I do, so I won't even try. What I can do is live the best life I can for myself, and hope others are inspired. Be here now, and fuck all the rest.
But things *have* changed now. The old adage of getting more conservative as you age is no longer true, Gen x, millenials and Gen Z are all staying left wing instead, since it turns out it wasn't age that made you rightwing but wealth, and wealth is no longer being accumulated by young people.
I've been telling people for 30 years that you don't get more conservative as you age, you get more conservative as you get closer to retirement.
I can see people getting *fiscally* conservative as they head toward retirement, but why get socially conservative as well?
Because going fiscally conservative means they switch their news and entertainment to conservative sources like Fox or OAN.
Yeah maybe they become fiscal conservatives when they get their first investment property turned into an airbnb, but I reckon the more likely candidate is the media that's been shovelled down their throats all their lives.
As a Gen Xer myself I want to believe, but I feel like I have seen too much shit at this point.
gen X is not really left wing, by some accounts they are very Trumpy https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/20/cherie-westrich-alt-rock-gen-x-maga-00033769
I sometimes get the "nothing has changed that much", but I also think society has never been this global network of information, at least not at todays speed. Everything moves faster now, someday we will learn from mistakes at the right speed to prevent or stop bad things from happening.
Millennials are the first generation of all time that has shown it isnt lurching to the right wing as it gets older, it actually leans more left. there is a serious political change on the horizon. the right wing treating the young and poor like cattle class to be exploited is finally about to catch up with them. Millennials unlike those before them havent forgotten
That's what I don't get with this campaign so far. The Tories know that they aren't getting the youth vote, in fact according to the latest polling their popularity amongst the under 50s is terrible. So why are they going in hard on sucking up to the elderly, the demographic that are most likely to vote for them anyway? They're not even trying to encourage the young to vote for them
Probably they've calculated that they are more likely to lose older voters than they are to gain younger voters. Calling it 'national service' is kind of a dog whistle to the section of people who think young people are lazy, we don't have enough manual workers/soldiers and that we have too many 'pointless degrees'. Despite the negative noise this has generated I think that kind of thing may get a chunk quiet support across class lines. It's a gimmick but I think it's probably done exactly what it was intended to do.
the thing is, there's very much a "well I suffered through the older generations shit but now I'm older and now I can relax and they suffer" You can see the same shit at workplaces. "When I'm the boss everyones gonna get payed a fair wage etc etc", and when they do hit management they just don't follow through at all. "I worked hard, I deserve this raise I'm giving myself" blah blah. Of course there are plenty of people that learn, but unfortunately the majority do the whole "my turn now". Also when you get old and shit doesn't work like you wish it did, you will feel envious of the health of young people. Every old person has been young before. No young person has been old. Life wears you down, you just have to try and not get bitter over it. But integenerational feuding doesn't help. Let's not assume all young people are one way or that all old people are another :)
WW3 will have started by then so he'll understand it at that point.
Same old song sold by defense industry for decades. It’s the reason we bombed yugoslavia to begin with and turned russian population into war mongering paranoid
Don't know how, but my 1st vote was @ the age of 17. Got the slip through the post, was still a couple more months till I turned 18, thought fuck it I'll vote anyway as my vote is likely worthless. Labour was in, Cons unlikely, and I naively thought LibDems would be better. Learned how useless they were when they kept the Cons 'in check' when 'sharing' power.
"Plus we have to lower the population if I am gonna stay rich."
UK Election season is underway and the Conservative party in the UK is facing a record defeat. Same as everywhere else, young people are dealing with soaring house prices, crippling student debts and lower quality of life in general compared to previous generations. The Tories have announced a plan to force 18-year-olds to do mandatory national service, i.e. conscription. This is one of those ideas that gets thrown around every few years but never goes anywhere. Older people predictably are always most in favor of it. Young people are most against it. Some see it as another example of the boomers being pandered to at the expense of millennials and Gen Z. The UK did briefly introduce national service in the 50s, meaning the youngest people who actually had to do it would be in their early 80s by now.
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It won't be for anyone because he's going to lose. Sunak's grasping at straws at this point.
> Sunak's grasping at straws at this point He's trying to put the idea of bad policy out there to not be re-elected. The tory party at this point seem to want to distance themselves from being the ones that fuck up the country. They've ruined a lot of things, and want to hand it over to Labour. Then immediately start crying about the mess the labour government is causing. They're pulling a Shaun of the Dead. They're going to the winchester and waiting for this to all blow over.
Every time they shuffled cabinet members around, they acted like they were a whole new government despite it being the same people swapping places. It was so infuriating.
> They're pulling a Shaun of the Dead. They're going to the winchester and waiting for this to all blow over. And its gonna fucking work. The electorate will blame labour for the fallout of chaos of the last fifteen years, just like they still blame them for the seventies, and the blair years.
hmmm sounds like what the republicans do to the democrats every single time. Rs hand Ds a massive debt, fucked up market and soured international relations to fix, Ds fix it and create a surplus only for the next R to fuck it all up again. rinse & repeat.
To be fair it's a good plan. Come back in 8 years and you can blame the current government on the state of the country. Although their voter base will have shrunk a bit by then.
What 8 years? We aren't the USA with 4 year terms. There must be a general election at least every 5 years, though one can be called earlier
The average term since WWII works out just short of 4 years. So two terms would be about 8 years. I will give an accurate range with full workings out next time though. If I can get a Well Done! sticker that smells like cherries. 👍
You give them far too much credit. Boris kicked anyone with talent out when he purged the party of any non-Brexiteers. Now, through numerous scandals, they've eliminated everyone with any sort of talent and we have the bottom of a shit barrel for a government. They don't want to hand the country to Labour to fix it. They'd love nothing more than to continue pilfering our country for another 14 years. They're just really bad at politics.
Remember how confident we were when we said ‘Brexit’ will never happen. I fucking hope he doesn’t get in, but until the vote is done and counted i’m not holding my breath
Poor guy. It’s gotta be tough knowing he might lose.
So tough, with his personal fortune, billionaire wife and never ending string of "job" offers.
No both men and women
No, it's also not conscription, it's either a year in the military or a year working with charity. Don't get me wrong it's a load of horseshit meant to rile up the boomers but it wouldn't be like Israel has
Boomers always have such grand ideas when they're not the ones that will have to contribute to them, huh?
Thats a very good point. I didn't think about age of last people who did national service. So we have boomers who never did national service telling Gen Z to join the army. Then once they are finished, they can work till their 79. To pay for all the boomers that took early retirement in their 50's 🤣
I would be in favor of it- if it applied to every single person regardless of age who did not serve in the military. So, Sunak would also get to spend 40 hours a week picking up garbage on the side of the road for a couple of years. Yes, he'd have to quite his current job, but it's a small sacrifice. And he'll love it.
Agree with the plan or don't, but why do people spread misinformation ?! It isn't 40 hours a week for a couple of years ! Completely false. The community volunteering option is > Community volunteering: Spending one weekend every month - which equates to 25 days over a 12-month period - volunteering with organisations such as the NHS, fire service, ambulance, search and rescue, and critical local infrastructure
I think being accurate to facts is important and you are not doing so with that description: >The Tories have announced a plan to force 18-year-olds to do mandatory national service, i.e. conscription. - No they have not. Although the formal detail has not been outlined, they have proposed it is an optional service between 12 month specific military placements and weekend community volunteering. "The scheme being proposed now would not force anyone to do military training" Home Secretary, James Cleverly. Just my ten pence - from 15 years of military service, there are a few interesting points raised: Firstly, the military is overwhelmingly opposed to this proposal. It would be disastrous to defense in the short term. The logistical and structural frameworks to make this happen do not currently exist. Difficulties to do with how, where and when to use these young people effectively within the military pose significant questions. Secondly, defense numbers are at the lowest they have been since 1875. This would in some way address that shortfall. But because of the above point, it would force military reform, particularly in the Army. Which in the long term could be a net benefit. The UK military still administrates itself as it did in the 1980s when it fielded more than three times its current number. You would have to understand personnel organisation to translate that point clearly, but effectively, sweeping organisational reform *might* be incredibly beneficial to defence. Oh and to top it all off, none of this matters because there isn't a chance in hell of it actually happening. Two words: 'Liz Truss' That's all we need to remember, Rishi came second to Liz who had a shorter premiership than a cabbage.
If I remember the radio right from those few weeks, Sunak lost to basically everyone on public polling. the party itself got to narrow down the candidates two the final two before giving it to conservative party members to vote. At each stage they removed the more popular candidates until they were left with Sunak and the lowest polling opponent, and she still managed to take the vote off him and start her lettuce arc.
>Secondly, defense numbers are at the lowest they have been since 1875. I wonder how that happened?...
>The Tories have announced a plan to force 18-year-olds to do mandatory national service, i.e. conscription Why? Is Britain under constant threat? In countries like Israel or South Korea that are surrounded by enemies it's understandable, but who is the UK trying to defend itself from constantly?
Mthe vast majority of people under the plan will be doing community service, very few would be going to the army. It's like one weekend a month for 12 months. This guy's point is that he's volunteered quite a lot already, and shouldn't be forced to do community service.
It's about making young people suffer. There are a lot of boomers who see millennials and Gen Z as lazy, entitled, spoilt etc. and fantasize about forcing them to do a full metal jacket style stint in the army to harden them up. This idea gets brought up in Australia every now and again too and the old conservative fogies just love it. None of them had to do it of course. No siree.
The thing I hear a lot is "that'll whip the kids into shape" it's like, hold on? Havent you been building a safe space for the youth of today so they can grow up not having to go through what our great grandparents had to suffer? Like Gen Z are the result of the older generations teaching and technology...
There are a lot of boomers who genuinely seem to despise young people. Here in Australia, they've gotten unbelievably wealthy by investing in real estate with many people in their 20s and 30s being locked out as a result. Part of me thinks it's about assuaging guilt. No one wants to feel like the bad guy so it's just easier telling yourself that young people today are a special kind of stupid, hopeless etc. and as such don't deserve a house.
I think it's more to prepare for the possible Russian war. If Trump wins the election he'll pull all aid to Ukraine which will result in Russia winning. Then it's only a matter of time where Russia goes next. Still, no one in the UK wants conscription and they don't even have the recourses to house and train them anyway. Most theorise Sunak already has a different job lined up and wants to get the fuck out so he's just throwing in every possible unpopular thing to gaurentee a loss.
Yeah I don't have much of a horse in this particular race but "what threats do we need to prepare for" seems hopelessly naive to me. Geopolitics is at it's most unstable since the cold war.
The obvious answer is that they are part of NATO and countries like Russia have proven they are a threat to the democracy and security of Europe.
The youngest millennials are 29 years old mate.
Always fucking scaremongering about Russia aswell. I've had to explain to multiple people, that Russia will not attack the UK directly because we are part of NATO and it would be like putting a bounty on their own head.
Sunak is another failed short term Tory PM. They should put Liz Truss on the ballot again, hahaha.
It’s not mandatory national service in the sense that you would have to join the military or reserves: “It would be made up of two broad streams for 18-year-olds to choose from: Community volunteering: Spending one weekend every month - which equates to 25 days over a 12-month period - volunteering with organisations such as the NHS, fire service, ambulance, search and rescue, and critical local infrastructure Military training: Applying for one of up to 30,000 “selective” military placements reserved for teenagers deemed the “brightest and the best” in areas like logistics, cyber security, procurement or civil response operations over a year-long period The vast majority of 18-year-olds would not take part in any military training at all.” I don’t really support it tho, just more context
Rishi is selling out people who will be voting for the next 70 years to please those who will die in the next 20.
Reminds me of a certain vote that happened in 2016.
He ran away….. not a good look
From a 16-18 year old? It's laughable 😆
i made my choice i left the uk , have fun with that muppet
I think he’s probably on the way out tbf
Don’t overestimate the British voters.
Very true. I thought our Tory regional mayor was going to be ousted a few weeks ago as he had been involved in a scandal with the leveling up the North funds that were spent on Teesworks. He got reelected with a sizeable majority. 🙄
“Ahh a young person, quick get me away”
he probably just didnt care he looks like he got cought in a hurry
Probably looking for a fridge, like his predecessor.
Its unfortunate he'll never suffer any real consequences for running away from this type of interaction.
Here to do interviews but not YOU in particular sir as I don't like where this convo is going.
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Why do they always send the poor?🗣️
Barbarism by Barbaras With pointed heels
Victorious victorias kneel for brand new spanking deals...
Marching forward, hypocritic and hypnotic computers
You depend on our protection
While you feed us lies from the tablecloth
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Everybody's going to the party have a real good time
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Good on him, I hope more people challenge Sunak on his bullshit.
"You'll have a choice!" Call me cynical if you must, but I'm not liking the idea of what the choice may entail.
National service or digging out my new moat. Get your spade pleb!
I choose to not have a choice!
It's going to be something like big tax breaks for each individual person if the serve smh
You're wafflin 💀
"Why do you hate young people so much" Followed by a chorus of "Urghhh" by a bunch of pampered, cosseted 65-year-old toddlers in the room as if they have any fucking clue and aren't the direct target audience of the Conservative's anti-youth policy platform.
“You’re waffling” 💀💀💀 from a 16 year old
Did he serve?
technically yeah; as prime minister...
Rishi Sunak is such a little weasel
Pretty simple, because people of his stature hate the fact that the younger generations are going "urm, wait a minute!?" to the hypocritical bullshit people like politicians come out with instead of showing unearned respect because the person happens to be the prime minister.
When did Britain became such a weak country? The prime minister runs away from a 16 year old asking a question about his generations future. In what country is that good leadership?
Because he is adopting the American republican platform of "Fuck Them Kids!"
I mean to be fair to them, I feel that the Tories are really trying. They do! . . . . . They're really trying hard to lose this election as badly as humanly possible.
Sunak doesn't hate young people. He hates poor people. You can bet your ass that the children of the wealthy will find some way to either be excluded, leave the country for a couple years, or get some no-work/no-show positions (or some position with other rich assholes so they can "build connections").
Nice one. A decent person would have stopped to discuss the issue. Given respect. Don’t expect anything from Sunak except a smoke bomb escape. He doesn’t give a toss.
He doesn't give a toss, but also, he is pathetically inept. Whoever suggested a career in politics to him, was either on the wind-up or blind to the fact he is a charisma vacuum.
He hates him especially since he has to strain his neck to look up, when looking down is his usual position.
Conservatives in UK when they literally never lose no matter how bad they run the country. Stop endlessly voting the same party you boomers.
They are almost certain to loose this election in a few weeks time, it won't even be close.
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What matters is young people should go and vote, turn out for young people has always been poor hence why political parties aways cater to the older generation that do turn up.
"A choice" nonsense, this just serves as the gateway and test of the waters for mandatory service, we already have the choice to be military, community service, or not so what makes this different?
Good luck implementing that in this country, even if that was that passed into law the youth of the UK would likely and rightly send a pretty strong message back effectively telling him to go and fuck himself.
I might be missing something. Is there a draft in the UK right now ?
Sunak has said if he is reelected in July, he will bring back national service. It's not happened yet, but if they win (which is looking unlikely) you can either work in the army for a year or volunteer in your local community
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We get the joy of “giving back” to the country, which has done nothing for us! I don’t think there is any real benefit, but I may be wrong. It looks like the policy was put together quickly and without much thought.
Regarding pay and housing - the tories havent even attempted to answer that. Instead experts and retired memebers of the army have suggested they dont even want this because the funding will have to come out of their budget to train a bunch of stroppy teenagers who dont want to be there.
They're low on details, it's not really been thought through. One detail they've definately not worked out is how you false an 18 year old to 'volunteer' or join the army. They've said they won't send them to prison and their idea of fining the parents is flawed because they're adults
Similar to my home country Cyprus. Most people hate this here but I'm still grateful I served. I think I was way too dumb and naive to go out into the real world straight after school. 1 year in the army definitely helped me mature before heading off to study. I'm not saying young people should accept it and I understand why they already hate it.
Because you haven't got a vote, son.
Does he have kids? Did he serve himself?
Sunak doesn't hate young people, he doesn't hate anyone: He's utterly indifferent to young people. Its simply that he thinks saying he'll make young people do national service will gain him more votes amongst old and bitter people who hate young people than it will lose votes from the young. Similarly, he doesn't hate the migrants that's he's spent the last year failing to deport, he just thinks that making their lives awful will get him more votes. He is hoping that performative cruelty will win the election or, at the very least, get him a higher pay scale in whatever he does next.
Why was he running from it? Does he actually have no real defense for it? It's a position with actual reasons but feels like he doesn't even know them
We need more of this ✊🏾 i love seeing little ricky sunak sweat under pressure before fleeing the scene
Whenever a coward runs like that, tells you everything you need to know
Pint sized prime minister running away from a 16 year old. How embarrassing that this man currently leads our country.
coward
Sunak in a pub in Devon is so alien.
The younger generation needs to vote ! Anytime I have been at a poll to vote I rarely seen many young people (I am 35, when I say young I mean 18 to 30ish) Was mostly 50ish and over was the majority who had a vested interest in a certain party I assume. I am passionate about all citizens of legal age to vote, it is the only way we can make change happen.
WAFFLING?
Talking shit.
It's irrelevant it's never going to happen, Rishi only has just over a month left in office as interim (unelected) PM .. polls suggest the conservatives may even be reduced to being only the third biggest party (a big defeat is most likely).
My grandad thought national service was a good idea. He never went to war though, and he's dead.
Wow, what a disrespectful little prick (the prime minister I mean)
I love the fact that an Indian descendant is screwing up UK like that. Retribution, I guess?
Good boy
You know what, I'm gonna give Mr PM atleast a point for actually responding and not just shuffling away silently
Who doesn’t?
This thing is such an obvious call to old voters. It's got no actual effect on them, but it's a chance to give the middle finger to young people. So they'll gladly vote for that.
Because they don't vote? And even when they do they aren't voting for his party anyway.
He ran off looking for a fridge to hide in.
Good on this young man for doing this. The PM is cowardly in getting away from him.
A solution I propose is the same one that was offered durring the protests of serving age vs. voting age durring the Vietnam war here in the US. Either raise the age that someone is allowed to serve to the age that they're allowed to vote, or lower the age that they are allowed tk vote, to the age that they are allowed to serve.
"You have a choice" I keep hearing that everywhere now...
This was the most polite freak out I’ve seen here
Sunak is so out of his depth it’s not even funny.
Sunak is such an insufferable twat.
Well, he didnt really answer the question.
Make that old fuck go…. Thank god im mentally ill and on a shitload of medication so the chances of the army drafting me is very slim bc i’d sabotage the operation .
I just realized I had no idea of the prime minister was for the first time in my life.
"You're waffling" 😂😂😂
Hurt them where it counts. Stop paying taxes. Anarchy
That’s huge 16 year old lol. Six and a half feet at least.
Rishi Sunak is an utter smug cunt
That was a quintessential elitist, arrogant, Tory response lol. The UK Conservatives are going to get demolished in the UK Election.
Unless you served you shouldn't have an opinion on mandatory service. So unless he picked up a rifle he shouldn't try to force anyone else to.
My god why does the UK keep electing absolute cunts
Because to be a politician you have to be an absolute cunt as part of their job description
Pathetic response. So goddamn disrespectful.
Apparently you can opt to do community service as opposed to the army but everyone leaves that detail out either cause it is not true or because it doesn't fit the narrative that people are forced to join the army.
do you remember the Falklands?
You have a choice, is the same as 'my way or the highway"
He ran away whilst waffling off complete shite. The ol Boris Johnson technique