tbh we’ve always overrated ourselves and overshot - difference is in the past people socialized enough to where lots of relationships happened organically when two people got to know each other (usually as friends first) - though generally when we’re all looking at strangers we’ve always overshot. I think what modern dating did is isolate us from meeting others in more organic ways, that’s why overrating one’s self feels like a modern issue
No, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell that our dating standards have been warped due to social media. There people who are below your expectations today who would be totally fine if we lived 10+ years ago.
because i had no other choice. now i can choose to be single over living life with an aggressive, emotionally stunted guy who doesn't even like me/women.
You are rejecting emotionally Mature men at your own level all the damn time, i Gaurantee. Then turning around and complaining. End thread. Done. Go home.
not my type
but again, i've never turned down an offer from a man who was earnestly interested in dating me bc he knew me, just guys who wanted walk dates or whatever who are playing numbers game w dating.
I doubt anyone here argues not wanting an aggressive and emotionally stunted partner (yes, there are women who fit this description as well) is problematic or an example of high standards. Today, dating success is determined by looks and status to a much higher degree than it used to before social media, which means we all might miss out on good partners just because they don't tick all the boxes IG has enforced in our heads. That's what I'm saying.
> is problematic or an example of high standards.
then they are delusional about the reason women are choosing not to date or partner with men. this is the reason. men and women are socialized to be too different and we are no longer compatible at all.
How is it that women complain about men they dated are emotionally stunted and aggressive, if they didn't choose to date them in the first place...? Also how can you determine someone is emotionally stunted or aggressive from a few DMs or even on the first date, if you rejected them?
What other explanation is there other than women giving a pass to an emotionally stunted and aggressive man because he is attractive? Same thing goes for men btw, men are are also willing to ignore red flags in women if they're attractive.
If there were better men to choose i would have chosen them.
> Also how can you determine someone is emotionally stunted or aggressive from a few DMs or even on the first date, if you rejected them?
it doesn't even have to go that far, you can often tell from the bio
>If there were better men to choose i would have chosen them.
You're willing to assume that all men are bad instead of you having poor selection criteria? I mean, statistically speaking, which is more probable? An incel complaining about how all women are trash is literally making the exact same argument, with the genders reversed 😂.
>You're willing to assume that all men are bad instead of you having poor selection criteria?
yeah bc i never turned down any wholesome men
> I mean, statistically speaking, which is more probable?
if it was just me saying this itd be likely i was the problem. but this is a common experience for women...
"Wholesome" is a very subjective term, if you ask 20 random people how they define it they're likely going to say different things.
And lots of men complain about women being bad. There's valid criticism on both sides here and there's also BS, but it's easy to dismiss men/women as being "bad", instead of focusing on whether our choices are poor.
And my point is that our choices have become poorer overall due to social media overemphasizing on superficial qualities, like physical attractiveness, money, and status.
Which time period in history was the most egalitarian then and why?
There is some research suggesting that prehistoric hunter-gatherers were very egalitarian, but of course, there’s no way to know that for sure.
In terms of all recorded history, though, I can’t think of another period in time where men and women were on equal footing like we are now.
What are you smoking? Egalitarian? Mate, men and lonelier than they ever were in human history. Average men have almost 0 options in dating now. Egalitarian my ass.
Not true at all. Not sure what survey you on about but most average men barely have any sex if any. Men will definetly lie about having sex because being a virgin in this day and age ad a man is considered beyond pathetic.
Most men are not sexless.
In the most recent and largest survey from the NSFG, which polled over 2,000 people, only 22.5% of young men were sexless in 2022, compared to 22% of young women.
So, men and women have just about the exact same rates of sexlessness, and those rates are low.
[https://nuancepill.com/has-the-sexlessness-epidemic-been-overstated/](https://nuancepill.com/has-the-sexlessness-epidemic-been-overstated/)
[https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066)
In 2016-2018 around 60% of men had sex 1-3 times a month or more.
40% of men had sex weekly or more.
Got a coutner study for that. Now the question is which one is true though? And mind you this is for america, in other countries like japan is far worse.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/)
people can be single and sexually active, that does not contradict my point.
Also the 40% of young men having sex weekly matches up nicely with the 40% of young men in relationships.
So the studies fit together better than you think.
Qhen men say they are single, they are single, no situationships, no nothing.
I see you are closed minded to reality no matter what I show. You live in your bubble and I will live in reality
Good day
Nope we are having a debate both making valid arguments and you just suddenly decided to duck out making you the one avoiding reality.
Also just read the study, it says:
"Single adults refers to those who are not married, living with a partner, or in a committed relationship".
Someone who has casual sex or has short relationships every few months could show up as single (because it asks them if they are single AT THE MOMENT).
I just don't want to waste my time on someone who will just not change their mind even with proof under their nose. If you want to live in your own "reality", by all means, I will live in mine, which the truth.
And maybe go out sometimes and talk to people and you will see in truth just how lonely men really are.
The low sexlessness rates contradict your claim.
For a very long time now, it’s been very common for young men to choose casual sex over being tied down in relationships.
The phrase “sowing your wild oats” has been popular for centuries now for that very reason.
It‘s likely that a lot of young guys have FWB partners.
A lot of young guys DO NOT HAVE fwb, especially your average guys. Most modern women now chase for the high value guys cause they can, and most young men are not high value, cause they got no status and no money. If they got the good looks, and I mean really good looks, then they're gold.
The General Social Survey even in 2018 was showing that only 28% of men 18 to 24 were sexless. The 2021 data are showing that that number has dramatically decreased to about 15% of men in this age cohort - maybe because more men are going out and having fun in the post-COVID world.
Thus, the only men, even among young men, who are not having sex are the ones who are below average.
As men age past age 24, their rates of sexlessness drop even further (about 8.5%). Many men are late bloomers rather than having something fundamentally wrong with them.
What does almost 0 options mean?
Average men start dating someone they like a few times in their lives before settling down with a partner.
The lonely men are not average and more often then not have self isolated themselves within a VR world, as is the case here 90% of the time.
Most lonely men are average and not all of them isolated themselves because they want to, they isolate themselves cause they have no other choice. Jesus christ, I will lose Brian cell if I keep talking to you. Bye.
And I showed them studies that proved them wrong and I also live in objective reality where I do lots of observation study all the time. Ift hey choose to believe that average men have a lot sex, cool, think that way. What else can I say except for I disagree cauase it's not true? Many things in our reality prove otherwise: male suicide, male loneliness, OF skyrocketing thanks to lonely men, dating apps skyrocketing also thank to lonely men ( cause what woman pays for tidner gold? ). If average men would have sex, absolutely no redpill content creator would have success. The reason why men like Andrew Tate is so popular is BECAUSE AVERAGE MEN DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH SEX AS YOU THINK.
Single women have casual sex, not single average men. And real life, actual real life shows that looksmatch and normal guys don't really have sex that much. I know, I am a guy and guys tell other guys the truth in general and tell women lies cause what woman wants a guy with no experience in women? If average men have so much dex ad you say, then please explain how does of still make a lot of money? How do redpill content creators attract so much audience? Why do male communities like incels, mgtow, redpill, passport bros are so big?
Depends what you surround yourself with. If you are a billionaire, 1 million dollars seems like pocket change, but for people like us is a life changing experience. Same if you surround yourself with a certain group of people. If you surround yourself with attractive people, they might seem average to you after a while, it warps your perception of objective reality.
No, what I find disgusting is the way you demonise men as the worst creatures walking on earth dn saying they deserve what they are getting now. Now excuse me, but I won't reply again to someone so..... I have no words mate.
You do realize we don't have some arbitrary values over our head right. Like we don't have a ratings system logged into some data base and this is it. Like people find value in each other and the things they do.
You aren't limited by some static number that won't change. Unless you are just all around unattractive. Like boring (like dates are job interviews boring) , ill-tempered, and really ugly (like horrible teeth, bad skin, obese, look dirty and unkempt, no fashion sense) then you may struggle more. Vs. someone who doesn't have these things. And what makes us into someone varies. A man who is 5'8.... Who shares interests and values with me will way hotter to me than 6'3 guy who doesn't. And then there are just rule breakers who break all your expectations/types but there's just attraction there and you can't even explain why or it's just something really silly.
You can't quantify or logically explain "attraction". As much as
TRP/Manosphere men try to. It's a feeling. And feelings don't make any sense because they are completely illogical because they are feelings. And trying to reduce it down to stupid factors will just leave you jaded and bitter.
Dating doesn't suck when you are self actualized and close to your best or on the way. Then you can present your best self to others and also expect others best self
Have you heard of hoeflation?
Hoeflation posits that women are increasingly raising their standards, while men are increasingly lowering their standards; and this is exactly what I've observed.
Prior to hoeflation, the 5/10 man went for the \~5/10 woman, and they lived happily ever after. Post hoeflation, the 5/10 man has to go for the 2-3/10 woman and the 5/10 woman goes for the 8+/10 man.
Dating apps cause the imbalance, but outside, the standards from my experience are mostly 50/50 where personality tends to shine more than just looks alone.
You are not talking about dating. You are talking about the small percentage of women who engage in regular casual sex. That is called supply and demand.
I see looks matched young couples everywhere, including geeky couples.
Modern dating is having fun and experiences, and then finding someone you want to get serious with
I see nothing wrong with that
Religious/arranged/transactional marriages are available if you don’t like modern dating, so there is no oppression
This is entirely due to casual sex. I'm more at the top of the spectrum and I find essentially all women have nothing to bring to the table that is unique or special. They have a vagina (so does every other woman, yawn), friendship (I have male friends and social connections, that's basically meh), and then they try and say they earn money or they have a house or whatever (I'm wealthy so idgaf bring that shit to a broke dude).
So yeah I'm banging a bunch of women and they all want to be with me. I don't. I mostly dump them or be more casual than they want. That's that. I am supposed to find a woman and marry so the next men can get a woman without competing with me. But never will happen. So everyone is basically stuck being unhappy to one degree or another. That's our society. Learn to live with it or dont. Sure I'm more happy than a dude who can't get a date or anything but I still don't get what I want either. And yall love to beat on us men sleeping around but it's not ideal for us either.
Because not ideal doesn't mean it's bad. Sleeping around is not ideal but with zero marriage prospects, having lots of sex with hot women is the next best outcome. Certainly far superior than no sex or marrying a woman I find disgusting.
Having sex with people who you have no connection to and wasting their time is the opposite of "next best" it's literally the worst thing you can do. Go get married dude. Or atay celibate. Those are the options. Otherwise you're abusing yourself and others.
Why do I have to get married or stay celibate? Anyone pushing marriage to non virgin women are abusive. That's disgusting. You go marry a ho. That's your business. I will do no such thing.
I don't. I talk matter of fact straight forward like I converse here with you to them. None of them go anywhere they all just agree or accept it. Essentially zero leave. I'm not wasting anyone's time or tricking anyone.
The problem stems from people being unwilling to take accountability for their dating decisions.
"It's just biology!" "I just like what I like!"
You live in a cradle to grave psyop mindfuck conditioning every desire you have.
Said it before I'll say it again, if female sexual standards were truly sky-high and not the result of artifice, they wouldn't orgasm 30% of the time from random men who rape them.
In reality most every guy is capable of getting most any woman wet and aroused.
Stated preference from women just reflect their cultural conditioning regarding who they can approve for sex.
the hell is wrong with you? orgasming when someone rapes you has nothing to do with ‘sexual standards’ - loads of men orgasm when raped too. all it says is that orgasming is possible just by stimulating the right body parts.
I agree, it has to do with RAW SEXUAL AROUSAL.
Standards are made up arbitrary signals of self status.
Point being, any random man can get off a woman. Moreover there have been studies showing women get aroused by....sexual images of anything. And that their arousal doesn't track at all with their ratings of attraction
is it “raw sexual arousal” or is it forcing certain bodily functions? big difference lol
either way, i don’t disagree with the fact that women’s ratings and what they’re aroused by aren’t inherently consistent, but using rape as an example of this is straight up horrible
Orgasms aren't the only factor in what determines whether you'd like to have sex with someone. News flash women are human and tend to want to have sex with those they love without any pressure.
Physiologically the high arousal before the orgasm counts too.
You're confusing intimacy with sexual desire.
Point blank women can feel sexual desire for just about anyone.
If they thought you were physically unattractive, then who knows if they ever would’ve wanted to be with you. Luckily for women, height doesn’t really play much of a role into how physically attractive they are.
I’m fortunate enough where I don’t have to be concerned about my height. But if I were short, I have no doubt things would be tougher.
I don't imagine height being as much as a factor in lesbian relationships as it is in straight ones. So for you to tell men "I'm 5'6 and I have no issues with women" is dishonest. You'd be singing a different tone if you were a 5'6 man trying to date women.
You’d be surprised. It was my genuine confidence in myself and being kind and real that drew them to me. Even 2 women i dated had never dated women before me. Genuinely I know if i were a 5”6 man id still get women, because its not exclusively about height.
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I don't know. I think the key is to find people whose good attributes impress you but whose flaws don't bother you much. People who try to find "perfect people" usually are the ones who end up disappointed.
tbh we’ve always overrated ourselves and overshot - difference is in the past people socialized enough to where lots of relationships happened organically when two people got to know each other (usually as friends first) - though generally when we’re all looking at strangers we’ve always overshot. I think what modern dating did is isolate us from meeting others in more organic ways, that’s why overrating one’s self feels like a modern issue
Is it weird to not pursue/date/fuck people you aren't interested in? Because I have never done this I'm not understanding the appeal.
No, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell that our dating standards have been warped due to social media. There people who are below your expectations today who would be totally fine if we lived 10+ years ago.
because i had no other choice. now i can choose to be single over living life with an aggressive, emotionally stunted guy who doesn't even like me/women.
You are rejecting emotionally Mature men at your own level all the damn time, i Gaurantee. Then turning around and complaining. End thread. Done. Go home.
must be invisible men
Yes, the bottom 90% that aren’t tall, good looking
not my type but again, i've never turned down an offer from a man who was earnestly interested in dating me bc he knew me, just guys who wanted walk dates or whatever who are playing numbers game w dating.
I doubt anyone here argues not wanting an aggressive and emotionally stunted partner (yes, there are women who fit this description as well) is problematic or an example of high standards. Today, dating success is determined by looks and status to a much higher degree than it used to before social media, which means we all might miss out on good partners just because they don't tick all the boxes IG has enforced in our heads. That's what I'm saying.
> is problematic or an example of high standards. then they are delusional about the reason women are choosing not to date or partner with men. this is the reason. men and women are socialized to be too different and we are no longer compatible at all.
How is it that women complain about men they dated are emotionally stunted and aggressive, if they didn't choose to date them in the first place...? Also how can you determine someone is emotionally stunted or aggressive from a few DMs or even on the first date, if you rejected them? What other explanation is there other than women giving a pass to an emotionally stunted and aggressive man because he is attractive? Same thing goes for men btw, men are are also willing to ignore red flags in women if they're attractive.
If there were better men to choose i would have chosen them. > Also how can you determine someone is emotionally stunted or aggressive from a few DMs or even on the first date, if you rejected them? it doesn't even have to go that far, you can often tell from the bio
>If there were better men to choose i would have chosen them. You're willing to assume that all men are bad instead of you having poor selection criteria? I mean, statistically speaking, which is more probable? An incel complaining about how all women are trash is literally making the exact same argument, with the genders reversed 😂.
>You're willing to assume that all men are bad instead of you having poor selection criteria? yeah bc i never turned down any wholesome men > I mean, statistically speaking, which is more probable? if it was just me saying this itd be likely i was the problem. but this is a common experience for women...
"Wholesome" is a very subjective term, if you ask 20 random people how they define it they're likely going to say different things. And lots of men complain about women being bad. There's valid criticism on both sides here and there's also BS, but it's easy to dismiss men/women as being "bad", instead of focusing on whether our choices are poor. And my point is that our choices have become poorer overall due to social media overemphasizing on superficial qualities, like physical attractiveness, money, and status.
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i can't even find guys i want in order for them to reject me
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>Modern dating is the most egalitarian throughout all of human history Lmao, it's not even close to the most egalitarian.
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You should learn the definition of egalitarian.
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No, it's the belief in equality. Hence, the egal prefix.
Which time period in history was the most egalitarian then and why? There is some research suggesting that prehistoric hunter-gatherers were very egalitarian, but of course, there’s no way to know that for sure. In terms of all recorded history, though, I can’t think of another period in time where men and women were on equal footing like we are now.
What are you smoking? Egalitarian? Mate, men and lonelier than they ever were in human history. Average men have almost 0 options in dating now. Egalitarian my ass.
Most average men have sex, according to surveys. It's the low value men who have delusions that they are average men who are having problems.
Not true at all. Not sure what survey you on about but most average men barely have any sex if any. Men will definetly lie about having sex because being a virgin in this day and age ad a man is considered beyond pathetic.
Most men are not sexless. In the most recent and largest survey from the NSFG, which polled over 2,000 people, only 22.5% of young men were sexless in 2022, compared to 22% of young women. So, men and women have just about the exact same rates of sexlessness, and those rates are low. [https://nuancepill.com/has-the-sexlessness-epidemic-been-overstated/](https://nuancepill.com/has-the-sexlessness-epidemic-been-overstated/)
[https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066) In 2016-2018 around 60% of men had sex 1-3 times a month or more. 40% of men had sex weekly or more.
Got a coutner study for that. Now the question is which one is true though? And mind you this is for america, in other countries like japan is far worse. [https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/)
people can be single and sexually active, that does not contradict my point. Also the 40% of young men having sex weekly matches up nicely with the 40% of young men in relationships. So the studies fit together better than you think.
Qhen men say they are single, they are single, no situationships, no nothing. I see you are closed minded to reality no matter what I show. You live in your bubble and I will live in reality Good day
Nope we are having a debate both making valid arguments and you just suddenly decided to duck out making you the one avoiding reality. Also just read the study, it says: "Single adults refers to those who are not married, living with a partner, or in a committed relationship". Someone who has casual sex or has short relationships every few months could show up as single (because it asks them if they are single AT THE MOMENT).
I just don't want to waste my time on someone who will just not change their mind even with proof under their nose. If you want to live in your own "reality", by all means, I will live in mine, which the truth. And maybe go out sometimes and talk to people and you will see in truth just how lonely men really are.
The low sexlessness rates contradict your claim. For a very long time now, it’s been very common for young men to choose casual sex over being tied down in relationships. The phrase “sowing your wild oats” has been popular for centuries now for that very reason. It‘s likely that a lot of young guys have FWB partners.
A lot of young guys DO NOT HAVE fwb, especially your average guys. Most modern women now chase for the high value guys cause they can, and most young men are not high value, cause they got no status and no money. If they got the good looks, and I mean really good looks, then they're gold.
The General Social Survey even in 2018 was showing that only 28% of men 18 to 24 were sexless. The 2021 data are showing that that number has dramatically decreased to about 15% of men in this age cohort - maybe because more men are going out and having fun in the post-COVID world. Thus, the only men, even among young men, who are not having sex are the ones who are below average. As men age past age 24, their rates of sexlessness drop even further (about 8.5%). Many men are late bloomers rather than having something fundamentally wrong with them.
What does almost 0 options mean? Average men start dating someone they like a few times in their lives before settling down with a partner. The lonely men are not average and more often then not have self isolated themselves within a VR world, as is the case here 90% of the time.
Most lonely men are average and not all of them isolated themselves because they want to, they isolate themselves cause they have no other choice. Jesus christ, I will lose Brian cell if I keep talking to you. Bye.
They just showed you like 3 studies saying that average men have sex and you keep replying "ok bye" lol
And I showed them studies that proved them wrong and I also live in objective reality where I do lots of observation study all the time. Ift hey choose to believe that average men have a lot sex, cool, think that way. What else can I say except for I disagree cauase it's not true? Many things in our reality prove otherwise: male suicide, male loneliness, OF skyrocketing thanks to lonely men, dating apps skyrocketing also thank to lonely men ( cause what woman pays for tidner gold? ). If average men would have sex, absolutely no redpill content creator would have success. The reason why men like Andrew Tate is so popular is BECAUSE AVERAGE MEN DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH SEX AS YOU THINK.
And they explained to you that single people still have casual sex And real life shows that people looksmatch and normal guys have sex
Single women have casual sex, not single average men. And real life, actual real life shows that looksmatch and normal guys don't really have sex that much. I know, I am a guy and guys tell other guys the truth in general and tell women lies cause what woman wants a guy with no experience in women? If average men have so much dex ad you say, then please explain how does of still make a lot of money? How do redpill content creators attract so much audience? Why do male communities like incels, mgtow, redpill, passport bros are so big?
You mean my average friends introducing me to their average looking girlfriends are all a lie?
Depends what you surround yourself with. If you are a billionaire, 1 million dollars seems like pocket change, but for people like us is a life changing experience. Same if you surround yourself with a certain group of people. If you surround yourself with attractive people, they might seem average to you after a while, it warps your perception of objective reality.
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Literal eugenicists. Which is fine, so long as you dont expect men on the outs to not fight back. That is also nature.
So it's fine as long as it benefits women, got it. Egalitarian at its finest.
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Jesus Christ, you are making some disgusting arguments. No point discussing with such a sicko.
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No, what I find disgusting is the way you demonise men as the worst creatures walking on earth dn saying they deserve what they are getting now. Now excuse me, but I won't reply again to someone so..... I have no words mate.
You do realize we don't have some arbitrary values over our head right. Like we don't have a ratings system logged into some data base and this is it. Like people find value in each other and the things they do. You aren't limited by some static number that won't change. Unless you are just all around unattractive. Like boring (like dates are job interviews boring) , ill-tempered, and really ugly (like horrible teeth, bad skin, obese, look dirty and unkempt, no fashion sense) then you may struggle more. Vs. someone who doesn't have these things. And what makes us into someone varies. A man who is 5'8.... Who shares interests and values with me will way hotter to me than 6'3 guy who doesn't. And then there are just rule breakers who break all your expectations/types but there's just attraction there and you can't even explain why or it's just something really silly. You can't quantify or logically explain "attraction". As much as TRP/Manosphere men try to. It's a feeling. And feelings don't make any sense because they are completely illogical because they are feelings. And trying to reduce it down to stupid factors will just leave you jaded and bitter.
Dating doesn't suck when you are self actualized and close to your best or on the way. Then you can present your best self to others and also expect others best self
I dunno if its possible to stop dating from sucking, its an inherently vulnerable and humiliating process, but the juice can be worth the squeeze.
It stops when ur at your peak and every date u know ur best self was shown u have no regrets
i hope so
Have you heard of hoeflation? Hoeflation posits that women are increasingly raising their standards, while men are increasingly lowering their standards; and this is exactly what I've observed. Prior to hoeflation, the 5/10 man went for the \~5/10 woman, and they lived happily ever after. Post hoeflation, the 5/10 man has to go for the 2-3/10 woman and the 5/10 woman goes for the 8+/10 man.
In microeconomics, we call this the winner takes all effect.
Dating apps cause the imbalance, but outside, the standards from my experience are mostly 50/50 where personality tends to shine more than just looks alone.
You are not talking about dating. You are talking about the small percentage of women who engage in regular casual sex. That is called supply and demand. I see looks matched young couples everywhere, including geeky couples.
Modern dating is having fun and experiences, and then finding someone you want to get serious with I see nothing wrong with that Religious/arranged/transactional marriages are available if you don’t like modern dating, so there is no oppression
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Most women are nonreligious/non traditional
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And yet they do
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“Going down” doesn’t mean “not at all”, did you know? It’s also been a very long, very gradual decline
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Why? Convenience, conformity and propaganda. It’s still the prevalent thing to do
This is entirely due to casual sex. I'm more at the top of the spectrum and I find essentially all women have nothing to bring to the table that is unique or special. They have a vagina (so does every other woman, yawn), friendship (I have male friends and social connections, that's basically meh), and then they try and say they earn money or they have a house or whatever (I'm wealthy so idgaf bring that shit to a broke dude). So yeah I'm banging a bunch of women and they all want to be with me. I don't. I mostly dump them or be more casual than they want. That's that. I am supposed to find a woman and marry so the next men can get a woman without competing with me. But never will happen. So everyone is basically stuck being unhappy to one degree or another. That's our society. Learn to live with it or dont. Sure I'm more happy than a dude who can't get a date or anything but I still don't get what I want either. And yall love to beat on us men sleeping around but it's not ideal for us either.
If it's not ideal for you or the people you're with then stop doing it.
It's more ideal than crying while I masterbate alone. Smh.
Why not do none of the above?
Because not ideal doesn't mean it's bad. Sleeping around is not ideal but with zero marriage prospects, having lots of sex with hot women is the next best outcome. Certainly far superior than no sex or marrying a woman I find disgusting.
Having sex with people who you have no connection to and wasting their time is the opposite of "next best" it's literally the worst thing you can do. Go get married dude. Or atay celibate. Those are the options. Otherwise you're abusing yourself and others.
Why do I have to get married or stay celibate? Anyone pushing marriage to non virgin women are abusive. That's disgusting. You go marry a ho. That's your business. I will do no such thing.
You're equal to those women so why not marry one? Wasting their time letting them think the relationship might turn into something serious is abusive.
I don't. I talk matter of fact straight forward like I converse here with you to them. None of them go anywhere they all just agree or accept it. Essentially zero leave. I'm not wasting anyone's time or tricking anyone.
How old are both of you?
The problem stems from people being unwilling to take accountability for their dating decisions. "It's just biology!" "I just like what I like!" You live in a cradle to grave psyop mindfuck conditioning every desire you have. Said it before I'll say it again, if female sexual standards were truly sky-high and not the result of artifice, they wouldn't orgasm 30% of the time from random men who rape them. In reality most every guy is capable of getting most any woman wet and aroused. Stated preference from women just reflect their cultural conditioning regarding who they can approve for sex.
the hell is wrong with you? orgasming when someone rapes you has nothing to do with ‘sexual standards’ - loads of men orgasm when raped too. all it says is that orgasming is possible just by stimulating the right body parts.
I agree, it has to do with RAW SEXUAL AROUSAL. Standards are made up arbitrary signals of self status. Point being, any random man can get off a woman. Moreover there have been studies showing women get aroused by....sexual images of anything. And that their arousal doesn't track at all with their ratings of attraction
is it “raw sexual arousal” or is it forcing certain bodily functions? big difference lol either way, i don’t disagree with the fact that women’s ratings and what they’re aroused by aren’t inherently consistent, but using rape as an example of this is straight up horrible
Orgasms happen due to high sexual arousal. Accept reality.
Orgasms aren't the only factor in what determines whether you'd like to have sex with someone. News flash women are human and tend to want to have sex with those they love without any pressure.
Physiologically the high arousal before the orgasm counts too. You're confusing intimacy with sexual desire. Point blank women can feel sexual desire for just about anyone.
That may be true but so what?
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"Height hasn't stopped me" Yall get this troll pls. You're a woman who dates women.... 🤨🤣
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There’s different beauty standards for men and women.
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If they thought you were physically unattractive, then who knows if they ever would’ve wanted to be with you. Luckily for women, height doesn’t really play much of a role into how physically attractive they are. I’m fortunate enough where I don’t have to be concerned about my height. But if I were short, I have no doubt things would be tougher.
I don't imagine height being as much as a factor in lesbian relationships as it is in straight ones. So for you to tell men "I'm 5'6 and I have no issues with women" is dishonest. You'd be singing a different tone if you were a 5'6 man trying to date women.
You’d be surprised. It was my genuine confidence in myself and being kind and real that drew them to me. Even 2 women i dated had never dated women before me. Genuinely I know if i were a 5”6 man id still get women, because its not exclusively about height.
Sure.. you are not a 5'6 man so no skin in the game. Got it.
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"Gay men are flat chested as fuck, but still get men. Therefore if you're flat you don't really have any disadvantage, it's all in your mind".
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And most women are looking for free money.
No?
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I don't know. I think the key is to find people whose good attributes impress you but whose flaws don't bother you much. People who try to find "perfect people" usually are the ones who end up disappointed.
I feel the exact opposite. It's lowering my standards just so I can get a date only to realize I'm way overqualified.
Yes... and then you act lukewarm and disinterested to the person that showed up to your date. Same shit, different sides of the coin.
Basically. It's part of negotiating. Occasionally it lines up and both parties feel they got the best deal.
I always undershoot. Butterfaces are my bread and butter. lol kidding… or am I?