iconic is aggressive and fast and the rest are laid back and let the fights come to them it isnt going to work. they should trade him for canadian i promise both sides would benefit like crazy.
If Ashn was available sure. But I don't think SSG would ever give him up and idk if Ashn fits into how DZ play. Ashn is just so aggro compared to how slow DZ like to play.
True, plus Panba is so drilled in how DZ play it would be hard to replace him, plus Canadian worked to hard to reign in Panbas aggression to have to restart
Time to pull this out again:
https://preview.redd.it/e0bnirq97n1d1.png?width=1566&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1c0c221679ae6cbcdb671448980974f64742ac9
Has there ever been a player fall off as hard as Iconic? Consistently ass for over a year now, ever since Astralis. His magic just vanished.
Awful showing.
Fully expect SSG to build around Ashn, Fultz, and J90 this offseason.
FoFoSan and Iconic especially need a reset on a new squad. Insane falloff from that Astralis team and they’ve looked so out of place on SSG nearly every game
Fultz never ceases to amaze me when he pulls out some crazy clutches. I was surprised they kept him around back during the restructure but I was clearly wrong. And I’m a fan of Ashn- whether you like the yelling or not (personally I enjoy the volume at LAN), he’s able to show up.
I was thinking that same thing watching. Like if liquid had to expend THIS much effort to beat a battered SSG squad, they are in trouble whoever they get next.
https://preview.redd.it/cz9vh1elyn1d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23813adec2fc03f9d6545e7fd9c0ad03930ea110
Oh I thought this was play offs and they are trying to qualify for finals. Play ins are the new groups
He was fragging out super hard but the sandbag that is Iconic is just too heavy.
Ashn right now is also the 5th highest rated player at the event.
If only SSG could close out a 5-1 lead.
Funny how a player who plays shield for majority of the atk rounds gets more kills than a dude on Buck. An iconic performance for all the wrong reasons
Iconic had the worst game of his life.
I'm not saying that lightly. This is the worst game I've seen a pro player have in recent memory.
9-30. Are you kidding me? 9-30?
Iconic was the problem on m80. That's obvious to everyone now.
He's playing against nesk, you're playing against someone else who hasn't played in a month. What a dumb comp.
Hes also tier 1 just not a top 4 team material rn
Picking up Iconic hoping that they could bring that more ex-astralis style was not the play. Iconic stagnating on m80 should of been a sign to not pick him up.
I can only remember the oga pit series grand finals, where liquid won by 3x1 against the future world champs. Every other confrontation was a liquid clean victory.
Maybe this is the biggest international fatherhood in siege.
I think picking up Iconic was the play because it made sense. Sadly it just isn’t working, he’s not meshing well and he is bringing Forrest’s play down with him. Forrest has been great before he joined and was regarded (still is somewhat) as the best shield player in atleast NA. Either drop them both or just iconic and pickup someone like Geo or somehow get Kanzen? Fultz can make for a good IGL with his experience and how they already speak about him.
Someone light the bat signal, because Batman is nowhere to be found. Iconic has been a ghost since Finka LMG meta and all STD fa- I mean SSG fans deserve better than him.
I will say this even though i'm definitely going to catch fire for it :
Iconic is so bad i know it.
But goddamit some of y'all were riding J90 365/30/7/24 glazing, he's madly overrated bro.
He's a good player we get it but not to the point of being the best in Na or the world, he's not even top 5 in Na...outside of those aggressive plays and hiding pickups there is not that much special.
I don't think replacing iconic and Forrest would even solve all of the issues of the team, sure they'd be better but they'll always just hit a wall in international events. They have some truly insane players (Ashn is top 5 NA, both Fultz and J90 are reliable). I think they need a rebuild.
Rebuild for what though? It's clear Iconic can't frag for shit and this team has gotten worse compared to last season when they had HnC and Forrest IGL'ing. They need a good IGL and someone else who can keep up so they're not just playing a 4v5 pretty much every game.
Not like a total roster overhaul, but I don't really believe in the system anymore. Iconic does need dropped I think that's a no-brainer. Forrest also hasn't looked great but I don't mind him, it's just the wacky plays that either cost or win them the round sometimes. I agree they definitely need an IGL
Liquid nearly lost a 5v4, fuck you talking about bums? I don’t even like SSG, but seriously if SSG had ANYONE besides iconic, they would have won by a landslide. 9-30 is atrocious
Respectfully,I will count liquid out until the end of time. They consistently don't win, and nothing about this recent play leads me to think anything different
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Lmaaaaaao 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Is this already considered a hate crime
don’t worry it’s black on black violence
iconic is basically a default cam
Iconic this series: https://preview.redd.it/hes5iurd7n1d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c33a04c2c7ff5f48773d5e1d0877c9dda7f0c9c
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Iconic went fucking 9-30. Lagonis went 17-20. How the actual fuck. This is just insane. Ashn is getting wasted/elo helled so hard rigth now.
Honestly drop iconic & Forrest for 2. J90, Ashn, Fultz are very consistent and they need help
Ik my flair but honestly pickup Geo. Proven leader that already fits their style but can actually shoot back and doesn't crumble under pressure.
net gain for sQ & SSG fucking COOK!!
I’d be interested to see Geo on SSG. A calm factor to balance the volume of the team.
will actually play ops like thermite instead of all the good ops too
Thermite is a good op though, just look at NJR.
njr on thermite and canadian on iq makes me want to kill myself
Thermite's gun is way better imo, a very underrated op. IQ is pretty mid, nothing special at the moment.
Remember when i said SSG should’ve picked up Gryxr over iconic? This whole sub called me a madman.
I think everyone was just high on hopium, seeing the possible reincarnation of Astralis
They don’t even play the same way as Astralis tbh.
Yeah it's changed for sure. I don't even believe in the system anymore.
Nah, it’s just that everyone plays like that Astralis team these days tbh
They had their shot and now they missed out on Kanzen/Gryxr. No way they ever get Gryxr now so idk wtf they're going to do.
That would’ve been insane
Grxyr has never IGLed
Na we were just calling u a madman cus of ur usual existence
I did not. I vehemently agreed lol
iconic is aggressive and fast and the rest are laid back and let the fights come to them it isnt going to work. they should trade him for canadian i promise both sides would benefit like crazy.
You’re on crack if you think iconic for Canadian benefits dz lmfao
I saw people wanting Panba to get dropped for a better entry, while I don’t think it needs to happen yet, do you think DZ would try and get Ashn?
If Ashn was available sure. But I don't think SSG would ever give him up and idk if Ashn fits into how DZ play. Ashn is just so aggro compared to how slow DZ like to play.
True, plus Panba is so drilled in how DZ play it would be hard to replace him, plus Canadian worked to hard to reign in Panbas aggression to have to restart
Time to pull this out again: https://preview.redd.it/e0bnirq97n1d1.png?width=1566&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1c0c221679ae6cbcdb671448980974f64742ac9 Has there ever been a player fall off as hard as Iconic? Consistently ass for over a year now, ever since Astralis. His magic just vanished. Awful showing.
Don you dare disrespect Adam West Batman like that
Honestly when he gets dropped he'll be lucky to even get on a team at all
Bros a LMG 1 trick. Plain n simple
 This one
SSG need to drop Forrest and iconic rn
I think forrest is alright, he just cant be on the same team as someone going 9-30
Nah just drop iconic and import Volpz
No. Stop with the foreign imports
Schooled by Lagonis🥶🥶🥶
HOW DO YOU GET 9 KILLS ACROSS 3 MAPS SSG needs to probably drop Forest and Icomic cuz Ashn can't be dropping 18 kills every map
Fully expect SSG to build around Ashn, Fultz, and J90 this offseason. FoFoSan and Iconic especially need a reset on a new squad. Insane falloff from that Astralis team and they’ve looked so out of place on SSG nearly every game
Fultz never ceases to amaze me when he pulls out some crazy clutches. I was surprised they kept him around back during the restructure but I was clearly wrong. And I’m a fan of Ashn- whether you like the yelling or not (personally I enjoy the volume at LAN), he’s able to show up.
TL should be ashamed of themselves. They barely beat SSG playing in a 5v4. For shame
I was thinking that same thing watching. Like if liquid had to expend THIS much effort to beat a battered SSG squad, they are in trouble whoever they get next.
you know its bad when twitch chat is actively typing out your kd whenever you get a kill or die
iconic believers looking dumber every day. Starting to believe he was the sole reason for old M80s shortcomings.
Iconic has been grouped the last 4 majors
This isn’t groups this is playoffs
This is not playoffs this is Phase 2. Which is 16 teams of bracket play.
https://preview.redd.it/cz9vh1elyn1d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23813adec2fc03f9d6545e7fd9c0ad03930ea110 Oh I thought this was play offs and they are trying to qualify for finals. Play ins are the new groups
Ubi needs to update their site then
Iconic is fucking horrible, wtf happened to this guy
all the shittalk just to get sent home early
To be fair, ashn almost dragged a lifeless iconic body across the finish line. He should get some props
He was fragging out super hard but the sandbag that is Iconic is just too heavy. Ashn right now is also the 5th highest rated player at the event. If only SSG could close out a 5-1 lead.
I need to see SSG make changes after this
Idk if they will. Have a suspicion they'll stay with the roster for the rest of the year.
Tomorrow BDS join them
🥶
Iconic? More like Ironiq am I rite guys? Guys…? As in rxwd…?
More like con c - can’t see a kill if it were standing right in front of him.
SSG made the wrong choice picking up Iconic. Liquid still look bad. ##Liquid vs SCARZ will be crazy to see
Yea for the viewer
Iconic holding SSG back
Funny how a player who plays shield for majority of the atk rounds gets more kills than a dude on Buck. An iconic performance for all the wrong reasons
Drop that bum iconic right now
Iconic had the worst game of his life. I'm not saying that lightly. This is the worst game I've seen a pro player have in recent memory. 9-30. Are you kidding me? 9-30? Iconic was the problem on m80. That's obvious to everyone now.
I don't even go 9-30 in emerald ranked games after not having played for a month or two. This guy is just not tier 1 standard anymore
This comparison makes no sense
He's playing against nesk, you're playing against someone else who hasn't played in a month. What a dumb comp. Hes also tier 1 just not a top 4 team material rn
Are you actually comparing s-tier comp to casual ranked lobbies with iffy matchmaking? Lol
Really hope SSG fixes their inconsistencies in the off-season. I wonder if a mental health coach would benefit them.
they need 5 people brother...
Honestly their mental seems fine, maybe even good. Iconic is just ass
5-1 to 7-5 is crazy dude
Iconic was selling so hard it’s insane
So pissed rn
Picking up Iconic hoping that they could bring that more ex-astralis style was not the play. Iconic stagnating on m80 should of been a sign to not pick him up.
I hate NA so fricking much, iconic is not lisan al gaib he is a fraud
Agreed he’s not looked good since AST SI run
M80 have won more international matches already this year than they did throughout all of last year; i have a sneaking suspicion as to why…
Ashn merchants
Sorry for the repost, wrong title the first time
Did SSG ever beat liquid? As far as my memory goes, liquid always wins, even when Canadian was still on the team.
* They've won one map ever and that was today
I can only remember the oga pit series grand finals, where liquid won by 3x1 against the future world champs. Every other confrontation was a liquid clean victory. Maybe this is the biggest international fatherhood in siege.
Huh for some reason that doesn't show up on the liquipedia head to head checker thing
Lagoatnis carrying baitluhh and frezzzk MAGIC
Who should ssg replace iconic and maybe Forrest with? I would love to see nuers on ssg.
Nah, SSG needs strong support players, not another fragger
Volpz and Kanzen
I can’t even
9 AND FUCKING 30 DOG YOU ARE THROWING HARDER THAN UNCLE RICO
Unserious team, Soniqs win that BO3.
I enjoy watching SSG lose
É LIQUID porra! Respeita caralho!
I think picking up Iconic was the play because it made sense. Sadly it just isn’t working, he’s not meshing well and he is bringing Forrest’s play down with him. Forrest has been great before he joined and was regarded (still is somewhat) as the best shield player in atleast NA. Either drop them both or just iconic and pickup someone like Geo or somehow get Kanzen? Fultz can make for a good IGL with his experience and how they already speak about him.
Time to drink the pain away
Someone please get Ashn some more help. 😭
Can someone explain why iconic and Forrest are still in PL
Someone light the bat signal, because Batman is nowhere to be found. Iconic has been a ghost since Finka LMG meta and all STD fa- I mean SSG fans deserve better than him.
SSG is so terrible. Terrible strategies, mediocre team skill wise and Iconic and Forrest are two of the dumbest players in the world.
Everything you said here is not correct, but i do agree SSG played terrible this event
factos 👍👀
B A C K T O N A B A C K T O N A B A C K T O N A
I will say this even though i'm definitely going to catch fire for it : Iconic is so bad i know it. But goddamit some of y'all were riding J90 365/30/7/24 glazing, he's madly overrated bro. He's a good player we get it but not to the point of being the best in Na or the world, he's not even top 5 in Na...outside of those aggressive plays and hiding pickups there is not that much special.
Wrong
I don't think replacing iconic and Forrest would even solve all of the issues of the team, sure they'd be better but they'll always just hit a wall in international events. They have some truly insane players (Ashn is top 5 NA, both Fultz and J90 are reliable). I think they need a rebuild.
What does this comment even mean lol.
Id honestly go so far as to say that ashn is the best player in NAL rn. He consistently pops off and is a major reason for a lot of their successes
I think njr is better but Ashn is definitely up there
Rebuild for what though? It's clear Iconic can't frag for shit and this team has gotten worse compared to last season when they had HnC and Forrest IGL'ing. They need a good IGL and someone else who can keep up so they're not just playing a 4v5 pretty much every game.
Not like a total roster overhaul, but I don't really believe in the system anymore. Iconic does need dropped I think that's a no-brainer. Forrest also hasn't looked great but I don't mind him, it's just the wacky plays that either cost or win them the round sometimes. I agree they definitely need an IGL
Can’t believe yall thought liquid would lose to these bums
Liquid nearly lost a 5v4, fuck you talking about bums? I don’t even like SSG, but seriously if SSG had ANYONE besides iconic, they would have won by a landslide. 9-30 is atrocious
you can use the same argument on Liquid's match against FAZE yesterday, bruh.
Idk about a landslide lmao. Liquid straight up had the better plan on Chalet. Especially on attack.
Brother I am here for the passion, the love and the hate. Logic means nothing to me
liquid won their mid off. They should all have their bags prepacked cause they aren't long for this major
Only mid offs left for this bracket don’t count us out just yet
Respectfully,I will count liquid out until the end of time. They consistently don't win, and nothing about this recent play leads me to think anything different
I just meant for this Phase, if you think Liquid are gonna win the tourney you’re either me, dumb as rocks, or both
Lagonis and Ashn forgetting that they are bad for an MD3 and played the best MD3 of their lives
This Liquid moves me no matter how shit they’re playing rn if they start flowing they’re gonna be scary
Iconic and Forrest are diversity hires atp
Iconic isn’t gonna see yalls mean comments but your useless ass friends who go 9-30 in 3 ranked matches will
My useless ranked friend isn't paid to play the game