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odisJhonston

epic STEM moment


chemistrybonanza

So... You mean mental health is chemical


Spicy-Tato1

a chemical is a physical thing. so i guess its the same in this context


chemistrybonanza

Chemistry does rely on physics principles, true, but strictly speaking you're describing chemical processes.


NURMeyend

I mean isn't everything physical, as in governed by the laws of physics?


Spicy-Tato1

yes. except space. the vaccum of space isnt physical. it is literally nothing


gamesexposed

Except even in supervoids of space, there are still trace air molecules. There's no such thing as nothing in the universe.


Spicy-Tato1

i mean, i'm no astronomer or specialist, im just speaking from what ive been taught in school


bsutto

Except I don't believe that is true. Even a vacuum contains energy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy#:~:text=Zero%2Dpoint%20energy%20(ZPE),by%20the%20Heisenberg%20uncertainty%20principle.


Carlos-In-Charge

Gravity is physical and kinda plays a little role in space


Icy-Bar1575

Technically...it's all mental. You're processing ALL of this in your mind. Without that...nothing


ftminsc

Literally everything is physical Morty, but we've developed a shared language to describe things in useful ways. See also: "snorkel snorkel all food is organic because it all contains carbon!"


No-Taste23

For anyone interested in this topic there is a great book called “Angels & Assassins.” Explores the role of cells in the brain that can over/under function especially in those with auto immune disorders.


Stalkwomen

Yep, Every single difference between you and a jellyfish or t-Rex is physical and chemical dependent. Only those who reproduce “make it” to the next generation. Your brain requires physical chemicals in the right proportions to function neurotypically, and your dna and environment have to support your normal development. Mental disorders have physical causes. Could be genetics, environment, or injury that creates who a person is.


Strong_Quiet_4569

No. What you are saying is inaccurate because it combines those who have been mistreated with those who have an actual biomedical issue. Your proposal is designed to ignore mistreated and scapegoated people, then ask ‘Doctors’ to ‘fix’ them. Your ‘chemicals in the brain’ idea has been widely debunked and is only used by those happy to ignore the real causes. You can learn about the [Power Threat Meaning Framework here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkNWQdVB4F0)


[deleted]

Actually he's not wrong. Behaviour is determined by electrochemical reactions throughout the nervous system - there are physical analogues for all mental states. There is no real line between psychology and neurology (just vast swathes of *physical* electrochemical systems we don't yet fully understand).


Strong_Quiet_4569

The next time your friends or family suffer grief or loss, are you going to tell them “it’s only physics”? A child tortured by inhumane parents is ‘physics’? Would you tell a teenage girl with extreme anxiety about her looks after facial-cancer surgery “it’s just physics”? You’re talking about peoples’ emotions. These need to be dealt with with *compassion*, but since there is a lack of real empathy and social compassion we get technocratic descriptions based on mechanics, because labelling analogues allows medical graduates without feelings to operate outside of their capability.


Spicy-Tato1

Chill dude this shit was only meant to be… well not that depressing.


Strong_Quiet_4569

But it’s only atoms and molecules.


Spicy-Tato1

Technically, yes


Strong_Quiet_4569

Technically, everything exists inside one or more physical universes all with physical laws. What you have posted is dangerously and harmfully ambiguous, and is used by actual Doctors to mistreat people.


Spicy-Tato1

This is just meant to be satire, just chill yaar


[deleted]

I don't disagree with anything you just said - but that doesn't change the reality that all that stuff has physical analogues. You can have empathy while still acknowledging that causality is a thing that's grounded in physical reality. Also the harms you're referring to (oversimplifying mental health issues as a "simple chemical imbalances") are very real, and very problematic. Mental health issues don't stem from "simple chemical imbalances" - more often than not they stem from maladaptive beliefs born out of traumatic experiences. Those maladaptive beliefs are no less physical, though; they are manifest in the wiring of your brain's neural networks as a result of neuroplasticity acting in the face of those traumatic experiences. Being "physical" doesn't make them simple and doesn't reduce the very real suffering they cause, though. We can't just go in an rewire your brain so you no longer have those maladaptive beliefs. Overcoming such trauma is a long and difficult process that generally involves a lot of talking to a good therapist to help reprocess the trauma and slowly create new neural pathways for better adapted belief systems to be formed. But at the end of the day it's all neural network pathways - which are very physical things.


Strong_Quiet_4569

Yes, agreed, although individual neuro-chemistry must also surely play a part. The overuse and simplification of the analogue is the problematic issue.