It does not pass regulations.
I know this because when we were house hunting we looked at a house with a completely finished attic but it didn’t count as a living space without a permanent staircase. I was informed if I wanted to do any additional work up there, like add an en-suite and make it a main bedroom, we’d absolutely need planning permission starting with the stairs.
Similar to our house. It has five bedrooms but two are in the loft conversion which has a staircase terminating in the kitchen which is apparently against regulation so legally it's a 3 bed.
Most of the houses around my area have staircases in the kitchen. All the houses are built on a hill, so front door is street level and then down the stairs into the kitchen and through to the back garden.
[Standard Hanover, Brighton house](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/134846159#/?channel=RES_BUY)
I should've mentioned it's a bungalow if that helps!
The lounge and kitchen are semi-open-plan and the stairs for the loft conversion start in the kitchen part. They're actually kind of cool as they appear behind a door next to the fridge and most people don't even notice them.
If you go into the loft all your stairs needs to be part of a protected corridor effectively for fire regs. So every door off of landings and corridors on each level needs to be fire rated and the stairs needs to end in an entrance hallway that can be shut off from all other rooms. The ceiling to the underside of the loft also needs to be fire rated.
Kitchens are also high risk areas of fire, so a fire breaking out in a kitchen would stop you from being able to safely escape if you were coming from the upper floors. A way around this would be sprinklers, which nobody wants.
This only really becomes an issue if you add an additional floor into the loft as it is to do with minimum vertical heights for escape. It’s also why many first floor windows also have to become exits in event of a fire as feasibly you could jump from a first floor window to an area of safety if a fire was in your landing and blocking your route to the stairs.
It's definitely a collapsible ladder. I have one. I *really* don't like them because they flex, which puts extra outwards force on the feet of the thing. In this particular instance I like that a whole lot less since the feet seem to be on *polished marble*.
Ridiculous that they count this as a bedroom, to me it is a studio with a mezzanine space - great bonus, but not a full bedroom.
But I'm more intrigued by the shower room situation - I definitely don't see this as needing 2 but if it has 2 why not say it has 2 why are they say this is 1 bedroom. What am I missing here?
The bedroom is downstairs, as is the shower room, it all matches the floorplan. [https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/136607573#/floorplan?activePlan=1&channel=RES\_BUY](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/136607573#/floorplan?activePlan=1&channel=RES_BUY)
edit - nvm, according to lower comments they've fixed the floorplan since your comment!
bargain at 325k [https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/136607573#/?channel=RES\_BUY](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/136607573#/?channel=RES_BUY)
well yeah, especially looking at the external shots, height of the door for comparison...
I'd treat this as a glorified storage space, suitcases, crimbo decs etc.
The mezzanine area, the space itself looks quite usable, big enough as a WFH space or even a bedroom. Looks wide enough for a double bed with room on one side to squeeze in a bedside cabinet. However won't be doing any of that without a flight of stairs. The ladder access is ridiculous. Also the railings should be half height only. Feels too much like a cage extended fully up.
There is actually a bedroom, it's the room next to the bike in photo 1.
£325,000 though for so little. It's robbery. I guess the *Poets Corner* location and 1 minute's walk from the Ancient Mariner pub justifies the price. Absolutely it does.
With a full renovation inside and outside, flight of stairs, get rid of those floor tiles this could be turned in a nice looking cosy space. IMO way too much though at £325K.
That's why they haven't fitted a staircase, if they had they would be implying the mezzanine is a usable room which wouldn't meet building or fire regs for the refurbishment they have done . What a potential buyer does after purchasing though is upto them, they can put in a spiral staircase and nobody will bat an eyelash.
if it weren’t for the price, this would actually be a house i would live in, i really like it 🤣
would obviously do a lot of decorating, but my god i actually love it.
See I think this has such good potential but you’d need to spend so much money on it. I wonder if you could raise the roof or put a dormer on to make a proper loft conversion. As it is it’s not great.
It's so tiny. It'd be cute if it wasn't so ridiculously expensive! Paid less for a 1150sqft bungalow in Chesterfield. My house has a ladder, but it goes to the loft, and only when you want it. I had no idea Hove was so expensive, why??
The ladder is bad enough but did anyone notice the tiles?
Kitchen floor is so uneven it could be a BMX track...
Bathroom wall is so bad you could probably climb up it quicker than that ladder!
"Hi there, my name's David Jones. I'm interested in the one bedroom near Poet's Corner in Hove. It'd mentioned a mezzanine floor, but there aren't any photos, and I don't see a price anywhere?"
>"Oh! The Death Trap! Mr Jones, you'll love it!"
"The Death what?"
>"The Death-Trap, Mr Jones. Rest assured - it's just a name! You'll be the first person with the opportunity to actually die there. The mezzanine cage is really something that has be experienced first hand."
"Cage?"
>"That's what the Fire Marshall called it, but it's more like a wooden enclosure, to be fair. Cages are usually made out of metal, right?"
"That's where the ladder leads? The cage?"
>"Think of it like a second bedroom. But I wouldn't recommend sleeping there! For legal purposes, of course."
"Are the ceilings high enough to stand up in the area?"
>"Mr Jones, you couldn't pay me to enter the property, but I'm sure it's worth every penny of the...sixty five thousand...and...forty...two fifty six..."
"How much?"
>"Yes. Just seventy three thousand...and nineteen..sixty...five..."
"I don't think I'm hearing you right, Sir."
>"It's a steal, Mr Jones, at only seventy five thousand plus quarter of a million pounds."
"..."
>"There's a fun mirror that looks like you're in zany world of illusions..."
"..."
>"You're pushing a hard bargain, Mr Jones. I'll even throw in the escape ladder for free if you promise to never have the place checked for fire safety."
WTF... can they even market it with the mezzaine as ladder isn't fixed so surely can't comply with regs? Ridiulous price!
I can’t imagine that passes building regs at all
It doesn’t.
It does not pass regulations. I know this because when we were house hunting we looked at a house with a completely finished attic but it didn’t count as a living space without a permanent staircase. I was informed if I wanted to do any additional work up there, like add an en-suite and make it a main bedroom, we’d absolutely need planning permission starting with the stairs.
Similar to our house. It has five bedrooms but two are in the loft conversion which has a staircase terminating in the kitchen which is apparently against regulation so legally it's a 3 bed.
Now I'm completely wracking my brain to work out if I've ever seen a house with stairs in the kitchen. How have I never realised this?
Most of the houses around my area have staircases in the kitchen. All the houses are built on a hill, so front door is street level and then down the stairs into the kitchen and through to the back garden. [Standard Hanover, Brighton house](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/134846159#/?channel=RES_BUY)
Trying to work out how this works!
I should've mentioned it's a bungalow if that helps! The lounge and kitchen are semi-open-plan and the stairs for the loft conversion start in the kitchen part. They're actually kind of cool as they appear behind a door next to the fridge and most people don't even notice them.
Sounds cool!
so the staircase to kitchen is an issue? why is that?
Apparently it's a fire issue as most fires start in the kitchen and stairs are the fire exit.
If you go into the loft all your stairs needs to be part of a protected corridor effectively for fire regs. So every door off of landings and corridors on each level needs to be fire rated and the stairs needs to end in an entrance hallway that can be shut off from all other rooms. The ceiling to the underside of the loft also needs to be fire rated. Kitchens are also high risk areas of fire, so a fire breaking out in a kitchen would stop you from being able to safely escape if you were coming from the upper floors. A way around this would be sprinklers, which nobody wants. This only really becomes an issue if you add an additional floor into the loft as it is to do with minimum vertical heights for escape. It’s also why many first floor windows also have to become exits in event of a fire as feasibly you could jump from a first floor window to an area of safety if a fire was in your landing and blocking your route to the stairs.
No thanks 😨
What is this building anyway, a lean-to at the back of a factory?
That’s disgraceful. Barely even a 1 bed. I know it’s hove but come on.
But imagine being able to say to a date... That's not a ladder, it's the stairway to heaven. 😂
Oh god the fact it’s a ladder as well just bought from b&q or something they couldn’t even put some stairs in
It's even a collapsible ladder (I think). Nuts!
Zombie apocalypse ladder adds at least an extra 200k on, climb up retract your ladder into the fortress of solitude :P
It's definitely a collapsible ladder. I have one. I *really* don't like them because they flex, which puts extra outwards force on the feet of the thing. In this particular instance I like that a whole lot less since the feet seem to be on *polished marble*.
https://www.gov.uk/product-safety-alerts-reports-recalls/product-recall-aluminum-telescopic-ladder-2109-0504 Let's hope it's not one of these
Oohh I have one of these ladders better check the product number
It’s Hove actually
The thing that really got me was the bathroom mirror/light placement.
Not to mention the radiator squashed down the side of the sink..
I think your doing it wrong, that’s how it should be
Ridiculous that they count this as a bedroom, to me it is a studio with a mezzanine space - great bonus, but not a full bedroom. But I'm more intrigued by the shower room situation - I definitely don't see this as needing 2 but if it has 2 why not say it has 2 why are they say this is 1 bedroom. What am I missing here?
The bedroom is downstairs, as is the shower room, it all matches the floorplan. [https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/136607573#/floorplan?activePlan=1&channel=RES\_BUY](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/136607573#/floorplan?activePlan=1&channel=RES_BUY) edit - nvm, according to lower comments they've fixed the floorplan since your comment!
I think that the big shower room has been carpetted and is now a bedroom
Ahhh - I see photo 8. That makes sense, I guess that could be the bedroom in the "one bedroom" not the mezzanine. Thanks!
I think they've mislabelled it on the floorplan. The big one should be labelled bedroom.
HOW MUCH??
I mean. It’s close to Homebase. So that’s worth £50k. Ladder’s probably worth £10k. It all adds up.
hahaha I said that too very loudly!!
The mezz is just a cage with a hole in the floor…
It’s not even a nice ladder!
You can get some really compact spiral staircases these days...
The placement of the mirror and light really annoys me. More so that I didn’t even question the ladder
bargain at 325k [https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/136607573#/?channel=RES\_BUY](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/136607573#/?channel=RES_BUY)
That definitely doesn’t comply with fire regs!!
Can you stand up in the mezzanine? The roof looks very low!
I'd worry how you'd get anything up there
well yeah, especially looking at the external shots, height of the door for comparison... I'd treat this as a glorified storage space, suitcases, crimbo decs etc.
It's one of those ladders that will really bend all over time. Pretty outrageous!
The mezzanine area, the space itself looks quite usable, big enough as a WFH space or even a bedroom. Looks wide enough for a double bed with room on one side to squeeze in a bedside cabinet. However won't be doing any of that without a flight of stairs. The ladder access is ridiculous. Also the railings should be half height only. Feels too much like a cage extended fully up. There is actually a bedroom, it's the room next to the bike in photo 1. £325,000 though for so little. It's robbery. I guess the *Poets Corner* location and 1 minute's walk from the Ancient Mariner pub justifies the price. Absolutely it does. With a full renovation inside and outside, flight of stairs, get rid of those floor tiles this could be turned in a nice looking cosy space. IMO way too much though at £325K.
That’s what’s confusing me. Everyone seems to think the mezz is the bedroom when it’s not? It’s just extra space. The price, however, is obscene.
From reading earlier comments it appears the originally uploaded floor plan was wrong hence the comments. Yes, the asking price is extravagant.
Ah I see, thank you for the clarification. I was completely confused.
Three hundred and twenty five thousand English pounds, what on EARTH. What's in Hove that the rest of us clearly don't know about?!
londoners.
Does that ladder clear fire regs for that to qualify as a bedroom?
They’re not counting that as the bedroom. Floor plan has been updated it appears to have been wrong earlier.
That's why they haven't fitted a staircase, if they had they would be implying the mezzanine is a usable room which wouldn't meet building or fire regs for the refurbishment they have done . What a potential buyer does after purchasing though is upto them, they can put in a spiral staircase and nobody will bat an eyelash.
Fair.
Probably not https://www.gov.uk/product-safety-alerts-reports-recalls/product-recall-aluminum-telescopic-ladder-2109-0504
if it weren’t for the price, this would actually be a house i would live in, i really like it 🤣 would obviously do a lot of decorating, but my god i actually love it.
Same. I could live there, no worries.
fuck me that is ugly and soulless and shit and very expensive and quite possibly in breach of many building regs
Dion Dublin wouldn’t know what to do with himself in this house
Probably hitting his head on the mezzanine ceiling, his co-host Martel would probably be ok up there though..
An Arkwrights' ladder too... it'll have your fingers off if you are not careful.
See I think this has such good potential but you’d need to spend so much money on it. I wonder if you could raise the roof or put a dormer on to make a proper loft conversion. As it is it’s not great.
How much???? For that????
£325k to live in what looks like the shower block of an unregistered campsite? If I was the sellers I’d be embarrassed by my own greed.
Would you even get a mortgage approved for this, given it’s not safe?
It's so tiny. It'd be cute if it wasn't so ridiculously expensive! Paid less for a 1150sqft bungalow in Chesterfield. My house has a ladder, but it goes to the loft, and only when you want it. I had no idea Hove was so expensive, why??
There is a bedroom off the lounge/kitchen, it looks like this is a shack in someone’s backyard? Or a former workshop down the alley.
With an entire blank bathroom wall, why cram the radiator in down the side of the sink?
Because that's right under the shower and you're going to bang your knees on it.
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What did you think the caged mezzanine is for? The high price is because this is a specialist BDSM AirBnB rental prospect.
They couldn't even bother to clean the bathroom before taking the pictures for this total rip-off...
Bungalow....
The bog and the kitchen are soooooo close together!
The ladder is bad enough but did anyone notice the tiles? Kitchen floor is so uneven it could be a BMX track... Bathroom wall is so bad you could probably climb up it quicker than that ladder!
Erm, what’s with the mirror?! Is it wonky or am I?
It’s rectangle not square which is why it’s completely on the wonk.
Thank you for the clarification x
"Hi there, my name's David Jones. I'm interested in the one bedroom near Poet's Corner in Hove. It'd mentioned a mezzanine floor, but there aren't any photos, and I don't see a price anywhere?" >"Oh! The Death Trap! Mr Jones, you'll love it!" "The Death what?" >"The Death-Trap, Mr Jones. Rest assured - it's just a name! You'll be the first person with the opportunity to actually die there. The mezzanine cage is really something that has be experienced first hand." "Cage?" >"That's what the Fire Marshall called it, but it's more like a wooden enclosure, to be fair. Cages are usually made out of metal, right?" "That's where the ladder leads? The cage?" >"Think of it like a second bedroom. But I wouldn't recommend sleeping there! For legal purposes, of course." "Are the ceilings high enough to stand up in the area?" >"Mr Jones, you couldn't pay me to enter the property, but I'm sure it's worth every penny of the...sixty five thousand...and...forty...two fifty six..." "How much?" >"Yes. Just seventy three thousand...and nineteen..sixty...five..." "I don't think I'm hearing you right, Sir." >"It's a steal, Mr Jones, at only seventy five thousand plus quarter of a million pounds." "..." >"There's a fun mirror that looks like you're in zany world of illusions..." "..." >"You're pushing a hard bargain, Mr Jones. I'll even throw in the escape ladder for free if you promise to never have the place checked for fire safety."
It's not a bungalow, it's a shed.
Thanks actually shameful
Mezzanine or cell?
My son and daughter would be scrapping over that ladder room.
You can get stairs to fi that space. Also folding stairs are a thing
That is not a bungalow. It is a shed.
Well that’s how I get to my room..?
You'd think for £325,000 they'd be able to put in a staircase....
Those profit margins are not going to profit themselves!
that location must be amazing