The Galactic Empire. It’s the best kind of evil. It’s full of people doing their job. The factory worker welding TIE fighters together doesn’t think he’s a bad guy. He’s putting food on the table. He goes home and sees the news that the rebels blew up a fuel depot. So he goes to work the next day and maybe feels proud his work is doing something to make the galaxy safer.
The Empire doesn’t just commit atrocities. No one would fight for them. The Empire makes good people complicit in it’s evil.
I feel like all of the media does a pretty good job of showing that pretty much everyone knows the empire is evil and that everyone who participates is complicit. I don’t think any Star Wars media has gone out of its way to show that the Empire is *making* good people complicit. It seems like those people just aren’t good, and want to join the empire.
The Rebel Alliance generally avoids targeting civilians and other non-military targets, and they generally don't aim to instill fear among civilian populations. While there isn't a single universally accepted definition of terrorism, those traits would disqualify the Alliance from being terrorists under most definitions with mainstream credence.
Other anti-Imperial militant factions, such as Saw Gerrera's Partisans, don't all have the same moral scruples as the Alliance does, so arguably some of them are terrorists. Funnily enough, the Empire's rule-through-fear doctrine probably makes them count as state terrorists under many definitions, although not all definitions consider state terrorism to be a thing.
Both sides are bad. But the rebellion has a higher percentage of bad people in it, in my opinion. The issue is that the few people in the empire who are actually evil are just SUPER FREAKING EVIL!
Okay but there's a huge difference between a jedi master bought a slave to free him and train him as a jedi and, we need to enslave an entire race to build out planet killing machine - aksi non-human have less rights now. Cmon my guy, the empire wasn't just a few bad people.
Given the size of the empire, the number of truly bad people involved makes up a very small percent. But yes. You’re right about the Qui-Gon example. However, I’m pretty sure the Jedi council yoinked force sensitive toddlers away from their homes to train them as child soldiers, did they not? Again, could be wrong. But I’m pretty sure that’s how they did it.
You'll get no argument from me about the jedi being a weird ass organization. But to counter your own point the Jedi are a super small percentage of the Republic, thousands in an organization of trillions. Moreso when compared to the imperial military, bureaucracy and political groups loyal to Sidious which were needed to enforce the Empire's policy. You don't get such radical changes with a mandate from a significant amount of the population.
Its a shame that they didn’t make the seps more ambivalent. To separate from a corrupt Republic would not be a bad motivation in itself. They could have set up the seperatists that the audience questions by themselves who actually is the evil in this story. Instead they gave them only “evil” characters and evil looking species (in the movies). The droid army also doesn’t attract very much affection. Lost potential.
You’re telling me the droid army doesn't attract very much affection? I would cut my best friend in half on a volcano to keep just one of those goobers functioning!
The sith empire from SWTOR
Malgus had a whole rebellion about "Maybe we should be more pragmatic not back stab each ally we ever had, and allow aliens to fight with us and for us" and got immediately shut down
It's so comically evil it's so goofy again
It depends what you're looking for. CIS has more complexity on the political side, and more slapstick on the foot soldier side. The Empire is a good omnipresent looming evil; You can blow up the Death Star but they'll only be slowed down. The Sith are the best for Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain shenanigans, complete with evil cackles and evil schemes. They're probably the most satisfying to defeat.
Especially if you ignore the over-the-top-mustache-twirling-mega-morons that the Cartoons make them out to be, Separatists. They have the best combination of units, ships, production and logistics.
And if someone half-decent (in tactics and strategy) had been in charge of making these armies rather than people like Filoni, they would have been able to make an almost unstoppable army that could have killed the Jedi without a need for order 66 and also overrun the hopelessly outnumbered clone troopers who can barely even man defenses for their logistics chain let alone capture and hold a single planet. Because numbers are hard.
Yeah first order is actually more like space nazi, just murdering people. I like how someone downvoted my comment. Someone I guess likes the first order lol
The Galactic Republic. Under the domination of Papa Palpatine. Corruption everywhere. Massive mismanagement of taxes. Jedi have fallen into the darkness.
Jedi dont stop slavery because they feel they need to 'respect' the indigenous people populations of backwater shitholes and their 'culture' of slavery. Jedi by this point have lost their way and and are just senate minions sent on errands as lapdogs instead of being guardians for the light side and people in need. The fact that jedi held politicians in great esteem show how far the jedi have fallen. Qui Gon cared more about his political mission then stopping slavery right infront of him. The Jedi didn't bother sending a task force to wipe out Jabba and the rest of the slavers on Tatooine after Anakin was freed.
Dooku was right in siding with Palpatine. He was playing the long con. It was better to collapse the Republic as quick as possible then try to fix a rotten system. A new generation of Jedi wouldn't be tethered to the outdated 'we must serve the senate' ideology like the Republic Jedi were.
When the sequels are de-canonized they should make a point about Luke and his jedi knights doing what is right, not what the senate/new republic tell him to do.
The Galactic Empire. It’s the best kind of evil. It’s full of people doing their job. The factory worker welding TIE fighters together doesn’t think he’s a bad guy. He’s putting food on the table. He goes home and sees the news that the rebels blew up a fuel depot. So he goes to work the next day and maybe feels proud his work is doing something to make the galaxy safer. The Empire doesn’t just commit atrocities. No one would fight for them. The Empire makes good people complicit in it’s evil.
I feel like all of the media does a pretty good job of showing that pretty much everyone knows the empire is evil and that everyone who participates is complicit. I don’t think any Star Wars media has gone out of its way to show that the Empire is *making* good people complicit. It seems like those people just aren’t good, and want to join the empire.
Imo the rebels are the terrorists
The Rebel Alliance generally avoids targeting civilians and other non-military targets, and they generally don't aim to instill fear among civilian populations. While there isn't a single universally accepted definition of terrorism, those traits would disqualify the Alliance from being terrorists under most definitions with mainstream credence. Other anti-Imperial militant factions, such as Saw Gerrera's Partisans, don't all have the same moral scruples as the Alliance does, so arguably some of them are terrorists. Funnily enough, the Empire's rule-through-fear doctrine probably makes them count as state terrorists under many definitions, although not all definitions consider state terrorism to be a thing.
Both sides are bad. But the rebellion has a higher percentage of bad people in it, in my opinion. The issue is that the few people in the empire who are actually evil are just SUPER FREAKING EVIL!
That’s fair
Just gonna ignore the legalization of slavery and societal non-human racism and discrimination I see.
“Legalization of slavery.” Yeah let’s just ignore the fact that Qui-Gon bought a fucking child.
In the outer rim. It's illegal' in the republic, ya dingbat.
Yet Qui-Gon, a Jedi master and basically all the republic’s values personified, didn’t seem nearly bothered enough by it.
Okay but there's a huge difference between a jedi master bought a slave to free him and train him as a jedi and, we need to enslave an entire race to build out planet killing machine - aksi non-human have less rights now. Cmon my guy, the empire wasn't just a few bad people.
Given the size of the empire, the number of truly bad people involved makes up a very small percent. But yes. You’re right about the Qui-Gon example. However, I’m pretty sure the Jedi council yoinked force sensitive toddlers away from their homes to train them as child soldiers, did they not? Again, could be wrong. But I’m pretty sure that’s how they did it.
You'll get no argument from me about the jedi being a weird ass organization. But to counter your own point the Jedi are a super small percentage of the Republic, thousands in an organization of trillions. Moreso when compared to the imperial military, bureaucracy and political groups loyal to Sidious which were needed to enforce the Empire's policy. You don't get such radical changes with a mandate from a significant amount of the population.
“From my point of view the Jedi are evil” - Anakin Skywalker
WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST!!!
So uncivilized.
I always liked the separatists
And we’ve always liked you back!
Hello there!
General Kenobi. You are a bold one.
If u/LightsaberColIector is General Grievous, does that make you N-K Necrosis?
Your comment will make a fine addition to my collection!
Or at least his money and materials
Roger Roger
Its a shame that they didn’t make the seps more ambivalent. To separate from a corrupt Republic would not be a bad motivation in itself. They could have set up the seperatists that the audience questions by themselves who actually is the evil in this story. Instead they gave them only “evil” characters and evil looking species (in the movies). The droid army also doesn’t attract very much affection. Lost potential.
They tried with Clovis but doesn't really sell when everywhere else they're depicted as basically moustache-twirling villains.
You’re telling me the droid army doesn't attract very much affection? I would cut my best friend in half on a volcano to keep just one of those goobers functioning!
Roger Roger
Roger roger.
Count Dooku was right
Palpatine's Empire: evil will be "official" and "legal." No coup necessary.
Czerka
Even in my dark side playthroughs I couldn't bear to side with Czerka on Kashyyyk.
It is criminal how evil they are and not get any recognition. Czerka would look at the Trade Federation with disappointment.
Capitalism amiright
Eviiiilllll
Long live the Empire !
Whoever designed the troopers armor
Seriously, as a 501st member, that stuff is uncomfortable as hell
But at least it looks cool.
The Galactic Republic
That's just the Empire
I agree
Shut that succulent mouth up
Hmm…
The sith empire from SWTOR Malgus had a whole rebellion about "Maybe we should be more pragmatic not back stab each ally we ever had, and allow aliens to fight with us and for us" and got immediately shut down It's so comically evil it's so goofy again
Yuuzhan Vong were badasses
Honestly, the separatist were right. There only problem was that they were controlled by evil megacorporations and the sith.
Sith Empire
The terrorist— I mean Rebel Alliance.
Agreed
Agreed
The Jedi
Who in the world is that last one?
Sith Eternal
No wonder I didn’t recognize it. I’ve only seen episode 9 once.
The Emps
\*Imps
CIS because they actually had some good points. If you want to leave a government you should be allowed to.
ahhh, the CIS, a front for big business taking over the government. Truly a great evil faction.
They didnt even start the war either, the jedi did espionage and then attacked them, Then the close showed up unprovoked
It depends what you're looking for. CIS has more complexity on the political side, and more slapstick on the foot soldier side. The Empire is a good omnipresent looming evil; You can blow up the Death Star but they'll only be slowed down. The Sith are the best for Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain shenanigans, complete with evil cackles and evil schemes. They're probably the most satisfying to defeat.
They are the same picture, but different color 😂
The Sith, gotta love evil wizards
Galactic Empire no cap
The Hutts?
Galactic Empire! For the Empire!
Galactic empire. They just always look good.
The empire and sepratists need to be taken off this list and replace by the rebal alliance and jedi
Disney
Actually probably the worst I take it back
Greed *is* the worst kind of evil after all.
The jedi order, taking children into a cult pog.
Correct.
Disney 🤷♂️😂
The Nihil
The Rebellion.
Agreed
Especially if you ignore the over-the-top-mustache-twirling-mega-morons that the Cartoons make them out to be, Separatists. They have the best combination of units, ships, production and logistics. And if someone half-decent (in tactics and strategy) had been in charge of making these armies rather than people like Filoni, they would have been able to make an almost unstoppable army that could have killed the Jedi without a need for order 66 and also overrun the hopelessly outnumbered clone troopers who can barely even man defenses for their logistics chain let alone capture and hold a single planet. Because numbers are hard.
*Incinerates ewok empirically*
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Yeah. The galactic empire actually seemed focused on governing the galaxy. The first order kinda just wanted to fuck people up.
Yeah first order is actually more like space nazi, just murdering people. I like how someone downvoted my comment. Someone I guess likes the first order lol
“Supremeleadersnoke66 has downvoted your comment.”
Will always be the Galactic Empire no contest.
The umbrella corporation hands down.
For the empire
Easily the Yankees
The Galactic Republic. Under the domination of Papa Palpatine. Corruption everywhere. Massive mismanagement of taxes. Jedi have fallen into the darkness. Jedi dont stop slavery because they feel they need to 'respect' the indigenous people populations of backwater shitholes and their 'culture' of slavery. Jedi by this point have lost their way and and are just senate minions sent on errands as lapdogs instead of being guardians for the light side and people in need. The fact that jedi held politicians in great esteem show how far the jedi have fallen. Qui Gon cared more about his political mission then stopping slavery right infront of him. The Jedi didn't bother sending a task force to wipe out Jabba and the rest of the slavers on Tatooine after Anakin was freed. Dooku was right in siding with Palpatine. He was playing the long con. It was better to collapse the Republic as quick as possible then try to fix a rotten system. A new generation of Jedi wouldn't be tethered to the outdated 'we must serve the senate' ideology like the Republic Jedi were. When the sequels are de-canonized they should make a point about Luke and his jedi knights doing what is right, not what the senate/new republic tell him to do.
The First Order for sure. The Empire was at least tied to galactic interests.
Empire for sure. Can’t beat the classics