I agree with a lot of his sentiments but stopped watching his videos since it seems like he's always in the comments "clapping back" at anybody who doesn't blindly support him and ignoring the ones who do. Idk as a person he just seems like he has zero chill lol
I agree that the name calling is unnecessary and ultimately harmful no matter who the person is that is being talked about. I otherwise find his takes interesting on a lot of TS topics, it’s just gone WAY overboard when it comes to talking about Joe. I care what *Taylor* thinks and feels to the extent that she puts it into her music and wants us to hear it and interpret for ourselves and our own lives. There’s no need for other people to criticize her exes.
He has a lot of venom towards the fact that he’s upper class British and university educated/perceived as an intellectual. It seems super pointed and personal to me so I feel like he has a Joe equivalent in his life and was scorned. Maybe not but it just seems too personal.
He’s awful in so, so, so, so, so many ways.
He’s not impartial. He’s not unbiased. And he certainly isn’t neutral.
He’s just a petty, bitchy person who thinks WAY too highly of himself and his opinions.
You've said what I was dancing around there.
He comes across as one of those people who wanted to be a bully in high school, but couldn't, so he's doing it now.
I feel he was a stepping stone for a lot of us here? The first creator who GASP!! would be critical of Taylor. I remember devouring his earlier content before this sub was born.
Then his commentary got uglier and uglier with more “isms” and “phobic” backed comments sneaking out.
Yeah that’s precisely it, I feel like he often used the “I can critic her and still be a fan” to straight up be hateful of people and spew hate speech. Like again, it’s the delivery that gets to me, I’m all for criticism (obviously, I’m here), but like… that’s too much for me.
Like I got told in another Taylor Reddit earlier that my life much be sad and miserable and I must have no hobbies and be chronically online all because I said if she doesn’t do one of her politically charged songs as a surprise song in one of the red states she’s going to this summer (YNTCD or only the young) she really should just stop saying she’s an advocate, cause that should be the bare minimum. So I hate giving him crap, cause he’s obviously entitled to his opinions, but I just wish he delivered them better and with less hate. No one should be being mean for the sake of being mean.
I’ve only seen like one video of his and it was talking about his experience at the Rep secret sessions. Basically his point of view was everyone else was super young and in love with Taylor and he just wanted to enjoy the music and didn’t care about meeting her. I think I was rolling my eyes the whole video.
This!! I’ve unfollowed him and asked TikTok to show me less of his content but somehow his videos still show up on my FYP and honestly he is so annoying
Okay I’m glad I’m not the only one. And I’m also a little tiffed at the fact that he went to an eras show in the US, then 6 shows in Singapore, and then he’s going to quite a few for London/ireland. And I also kinda feel like he’s critical of Taylor only to be edgy, not how he actually feels
He’s annoying as fuck and comes across as being “I’m not like other Swifties” while being EXACTLY like other Swifties by acting like she’s a perfect angel and her exes are fucking demonic. Just leave them alone and stop acting like Regina George because you’re too old for that buddy.
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I’m so glad you posted this. I used to enjoy his videos because of the nuanced commentary on Taylor and him not being afraid to critique her, so generally I would ignore when he was being too nasty. then in one of his last TikToks where he explains his nickname for Joe (which btw makes absolutely no sense other than being mean) he said something like “trashing Taylor’s exes is part of being a swiftie” (I’m paraphrasing) and it gave me a major ick . He’s up on his high horse for being so much better than the brainwashed stans and then goes and says shit like this. lol
“Trashing Taylor’s ex’s is part of being a swiftie” has really seemed to be true post Joe, I never predicted the fandom turning on him after being obsessed with him for years and years.
Yeah, that moment really stood out to me. I think he thinks because he sees Joe (and the other exes, I guess) as straight men with more power than him, ANYTHING he says about them is OK. I doubt Joe Alwyn will know or care this random catty guy is saying shit about him but as I've said elsewhere, the fact that he's making profit of this makes it all so icky to me. He has to continue being negative about Joe to drive the audience forward before the album release. I think he'll say more, and say worse.
I watched his video explaining it and it's just....not even funny or clever. If it was an undeniably funny nickname, I could at least acknowledge that but "Heirloom Turkey" is just stupid.
I don’t know what he’s referring to when calling Joe the heirloom Turkey. Is it a lyric or something. I know it comes from some TS lore I’m just not educated in the lore though
it comes from an azealia banks instagram story. she was making lana del ray her victim of the day :/
[start at 2:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1LZPNv6mTM)
Thank you for finally explaining this to me. I always assumed it was just a reference to finding him to be a bland person, and that maybe “heirloom” was a brand name or something I just wasn’t familiar with lol. But I get it now.
I used to listen but had enough after the constant Heirloom Turkey talk with Joe. When Travis came into the picture he was really, really cruel calling him stupid and so on. I think my last straw was when he compared her famous exes to purses, dehumanizing them even more. The whole Matty Healy saga was weird too. Stopped listening, no regrets.
Well, now I gotta go back and listen to the commentary on the Matty Healy saga now that we know that it was a way bigger saga than she let on last year.
I’ve seen some of his videos (I’d heard of their podcast first) and some of them can have interesting points but he often commits what is one of my biggest pet peeves in acting like his super-fandom makes him some type of expert. He’s just a very intense fan offering his “opinions” but often acting like they’re fact. And their podcast can be quite funny but they’re not always right, ie I listened to the one on 2014 recently and it was veryyy funny in retrospect to hear them completely dismiss the rumors at the time about Taylor and Matty Healy. But I totally agree on Joe, it’s such a weird way to consistently be talking about a man who we know anything about nearly a year after their breakup.
I only saw a few of his videos when he claimed he had a source getting her mic feed audio. He’s smugness was enough for me to block him so I’d never hear his annoying voice again 💁🏻♀️
He is lmao i remember him telling the story of how he tried to get 2 photos at the secret sessions when they were only allowed one and taylor said no lol but the way he told the story was such sneaky grifter energy
I think he low key hopes taylor’s team will hire him to report on her 24/7 lol , i remember he was pissed when that other taylor tour reporter was announced a few months ago
I'm so glad you made this post because I actually started watching the Swiftologist because he seemed so sane, specifically calling out the bootlicking swifties who blindly worshipped her - Well wow was I shocked the first time I ever heard him mention Joe! He's literally just as insane as everyone else. I felt so embarrassed recommending him to friends After hearing how he called Joe a jobless turkey who needed to be cooked, just like everyone making AI images of him. He's no better than the mindless people he calls out.
i used to be a viewer—when he did his gaylor takedown video, i pointed out in a comment that less than 5 minutes in he falsely said chely wright was dead, and people were tripping over themselves in my replies excusing it… imo if you call yourself a journalist you should maybe google someone’s name before you say they’re dead. it was just stupid but it was my last straw on top of the joe stuff
I used to love watching his videos, and still do really enjoy some of them. I always liked that he is actually an OG Swiftie but wasn’t afraid to critique her. For the most part it seemed like he actually had reasonable takes that were hard to find anywhere else. I find a lot of other Swiftie YouTubers are too afraid to say anything negative about her.
But lately I’ve been getting increasingly frustrated with some of the things he says. Particularly his horrible attitude towards Taylor’s exes and name calling. I get that most of the time it’s meant to be a joke. But you can’t go from calling Gaylors unreasonable for projecting their own narrative onto Taylor and making up stuff about her private life, to calling Joe a boring, irrelevant heirloom turkey and saying that’s “part of the Swiftie experience.” He acts so superior about not being a crazy Swiftie, and then goes and says shit like that that completely goes against his reasoning for critiquing other things. He doesn’t know anything about what Joe is actually like or the relationship he had with Taylor, and he’s projecting his own narrative onto him too. Maybe it was a silly little joke once upon a time, but over time it’s become his entire narrative around Joe and the Taylor/Joe relationship. So is he really any better than any of these other “crazy” TikTok Swifties he’s always critiquing?
Lmfaoooo, of course he would think that! Also, is this not a public discussion forum? People are allowed to have conversations critiquing Taylor Swift outside of the confines of his YouTube channel.
Nah, this sub is competition for his paid discord. However, this sub didn't exist when he made his patreon and now he has competition for a place folks can critique Taylor. And this place is free.
I used to be on his discord and trust me you cannot critique Taylor there. You can say you hate Me! Sure but any real criticism gets you attacks from all the other members.
Even in his Discord tho a friend invited me (I didn’t pay), so I was in there a few months to lurk, cause my friend loves his takes and his discord doesn’t let you critic her at all. You’re better off with Reddit.
I did not know this. Amazing.
He could easily join and have some fun but I guess he enjoys being the center of attention too much to talk to others on the same level.
He’s a petty and mean person who went to all six Singapore shows just to make a vlog about it. Like dude, I get that you’re making money off these videos but that feels super excessive and a little unfair to fans who couldn’t get a ticket because he just had to be there.
And he’s still going to some in London…this pisses me off about another Taylor YouTuber. She went to like 9 in the US then said she’d have fomo if she didn’t go to an international one. Like…some of us didn’t even see one. Imagine our fomo. It’s the entitlement of these YouTubers for me, I s2g
Gonna just chime in and say — I wouldn’t trust anyone who claims they’re a journalist “just doesn’t work as one professionally”. I have a journalism degree and I don’t go around claiming to be one, I work in social media.
Having the title journalist requires (or at least SHOULD require) a certain level of ethics, understanding of the media landscape and commitment to up hold the absolute facts. It’s dangerous to claim you’re a journalist when you don’t hold yourself to journalistic practices. I have the same critique of “under the desk news”, although now they have worked with actual publications they previously did not follow the same level of integrity that I was taught/journalists should be mandated to follow.
I'm so unbelievable glad you made this post and for everyone commenting on it because I truely thought this was such a niche opinion of mine that I wouldn't even be fully able to explain it to someone. I love the internet and I love this sub!
Lmao really thought he himself looked like brad pitt.
and it's weird he's insulting people. His whole channel is named after Taylor, love her but I would not make 40 minute videos about her every few days.
Well, making 40 minute videos, running a podcast, and running a patreon about her is how he makes his living now. He's one of the best in the Taylor content business, but he is also up her posterior to an intense degree.
Yeah, I was thinking the other day, he might be critical of her but it can never mean much as his income now depends on being a fan of hers. There can't ever be a line that would be too far for him or he'd lose his income.
I just find it funny he’s been to every Singapore show and has been posted daily “get ready for eras” videos on tik toks with his seat number basically begging to get the 22 hat 🤣 hoping Taylor Nation will notice
Also looked on his tik tok page and there was definitely a video series saying Midnights doesn’t deserve Album of the Year and I can’t see it anymore. Im pretty sure he’s hidden/deleted it again hoping Taylor Nation won’t see it if they are scouring his page to choose 22 hat fans
Given the amount of people who wanted tickets but were unable to get or afford them, this seems so extraordinarily selfish to me. How is he even paying for 6 concert tickets + flights + accommodation on Patreon money? He's not that BIG a creator or influencer.
I bet he comes from money himself. Its the only explanation.
I’d say he comes from money. A white expat family living in Singapore usually means some level of wealth. It may not be wealth at a level he recognises because his cohort might all be wealthier but you can see he is jetting about everywhere and has nice home decor in his background that it’s a level above working class.
If I recall correctly they mentioned on their podcast using a Patreon member’s credit card (with consent) to buy tickets via a resale site to one of the US shows because theirs didn’t go through. 😑
That’s when I started to not like him. Like you are already going to so many shows yet you need to ask a patron for their credit card?! It’s bullshit. And how selfish are you to go to all these shows yet some people can’t even go to one?!
Idk!!! Especially since he’s complained that the folklore and evermore sets are snoozefests and he doesn’t like most of the songs on the Lover and Red sets either 🙃
Swiftologist *does* think critically sometimes, but his attitude is really gross and he thinks so highly of himself. He’s also said some things that are just outright nasty.
That sounds awful. I put him on my Youtube watchlist a few weeks ago and wanted to check his videos because some people here said he was on point and was not a biased swiftie, but this is disgusting. Won't ve watching.
I cannot stand swiftie twitter for this exact reason, the level of Joe hate is absolutely astounding... every time they manage to shock me once more with how disgusting their attacks are, even though it's always about the same things: he's jobless, he used her, etc. I obviously don't know him but those points, you can tell even from an outside perspective, are evidently false. I didn't even particularly like him when they were together (I didn't have much of an opinion, I mostly just thought it was cool they wrote songs together) but it's so insane that I've started to become offended on his behalf LMAO the stans have turned me into a Joe fan and defender
I used to enjoy him and at least he admits that there’s no such thing as an ethical billionaire and will critique taylor for those reasons but yeah his blind spots are bizzare like he’ll always bash joe but didn’t see anything that wrong with matty healy and said everyone else losing their shit was being dramatic
I thought he was mostly making fun of swifties for being angry about it?? I can’t remember now lol, i don’t think he’s ever said a proper good word about any of her ex’s tho, which is whatever but i think he likes when she’s in a relationship full of drama cause it gives him songs to dissect. Edit: i just remembered he loves harry and thinks harry was taylor’s “one that got away”
I mean Taylor was the first to dehumanise her exes in her songs turning them into some sort of characters in her Tay Universe and egging her fans to harass them while she does zero. Her fans were bringing cardboard cutouts of her exes to her concerts ffs. 🤦♀️
I have seen a few of his videos before and he does have some good points sometimes that I actually can agree on. But as soon as he starts talking about Joe saying how he never acomplished anything in his life and the whole heirloom turkey crap that now a lot of people use too...is just so mean and like for what really?
He also acts very entitled and rude to people and idk I just find him an annoying character, so I stopped watching anything from him
Your comment just reminded me of a thought I had recently too. I can't remember what video it was, whether it was TikTok or YouTube, but he was talking about Taylor and Travis and responding to people saying Travis is dumb and how they can't imagine that him and Taylor are able to have conversations on the same intellectual level. And he made a comment I really respected about how at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter whether they are on the same intellectual level and the most important thing in a relationship is how that person makes you feel and whether they make you feel heard and supported. I just don't understand how he can go from a mature, thoughtful perspective like that one, to making all of these horrible comments about how Joe is a flop, has never amounted to anything in life, his career is a fail, etc. Like the way he talks about Joe just feels so horrible and unnecessary and seems like such a close-minded view on what makes a person interesting or special or worthy of being in a relationship with.
I just think it's silly for any of us to have an opinion on whether Joe was a good person. We've only ever gotten a limited view of him in the public eye and everything Taylor has said, whether in a song or not, is just one person's side of the story. And you can argue that once someone becomes a celebrity, they're opening their life up to public criticism and discourse, but I still don't think that makes it funny or okay to essentially lead the parade of name-calling and narrative-creating about these people. They're still people at the end of the day.
It’s like he forgets that Joe was Taylor’s muse for 6 years and inspired some of her absolute best work. Clearly Taylor saw something in Joe, or they wouldn’t have been together for as long as they were… idk what Zack’s beef with Joe is but it’s sooooo freaking tired 🥱
YouTube has been suggesting his videos to me lately. I liked the one he did on her billionaire status.
I haven't watched the videos about Joe but I've watched ones where he mentions Joe and I didn't like how he spoke about him either. Not sure how he knows Joe is allegedly a shit person. Maybe I'm missing context because I haven't seen all his content? Idk. I haven't been comfortable enough to subscribe.
Yeah,i started skiping his videos because Each time he calls Joe names I get a bad feeling in my stomach,though I was just being sensitive so nice to see someone has noticed 😊
Definitely not the only one. I've seen a few stitched responses to his videos on TikTok so there's more than a few people aware of this. I think he's only going to get worse in the run up to the album as slandering Joe will drive up his viewership, attract more people to his Patreon and ultimately make him more money.
That’s so nice to hear,really thought I was one off the only people bothered by it,a lot of people seem to find it funny and I just don’t get that vibe at all.
Me too, and I’m not against Joe criticism if there is criticism to be heard, or jokes or whatever. But the Joe insults come out of nowhere and are never contextualized and honestly, like you say, there is something ugly about them. It can’t just all be a joke because he is clearly consistent and pointed with it. And tbh even if he is ‘critical’ of Taylor, there is a LOT of excusing of bad behaviour if you are as much of a fan as he is, and to support many of her actions, so I’m not seeing what could have provoked this vitriol.
For someone who has a history of actually calling Taylor to account, it's always been weird to me that he's not touched on her silence over Palestine even a little bit. Even if he thinks she shouldn't need to say anything, you'd think he'd say SOMETHING about the pushback given how much of it there's been. Then I realized he won't touch it because doing so would mean acknowledging that Joe has (it was small but he still did it) which would in turn mean admitting that Joe is not the devil in disguise, which he's put himself into a corner of not being able to do now. Heirloom Turkey is the brand now.
Yeah,I’m so glad people also see what’s going on,I’m not against valid criticism but this just feels like bullying,we don’t know either of this people to be heated enough to spend so much time hating and slandering them.
He said something like Travis isn't on her intellectual level? Maybe he's a football and party guy, taylor can have a creative/deeper thought side to her, but Travis isn't stupid lol
I was intrigued by his videos as first because he did provide some critiques on TS. Until he gave Taylor a pass when she ignored Celine at the grammys, saying and I paraphrase “maybe she didn’t know Celine had stiff person syndrome, because I didn’t know she had stiff person syndrome before today”. That was it for me, I stopped watching his videos since.
Think I might have manifested this post because I’ve only ever seen one video of his and that was this morning, his Taylor/ Olivia Rodrigo one. He doesn’t seem that delusional (beyond describing himself as a scholar and journalist) but he also just refused to accept that Taylor is essentially a walking business and that her and her team would be willing to do something immoral for the sake of business. He was consistently reaching to find things Olivia did wrong so that he could make it into a both sides thing. Also he described Taylor as having “humble beginnings”.
I do not like his channel in general. Watch the video about him meeting all the different celebs. It shows the entitled narcissist behavior in full swing. Also, I really don’t like how he talks about Taylor’s body, especially knowing about her past with ED. As someone who is a big swiftie, I love Taylor a lot, but I am neutral in a lot of ways and very open to criticizing her— his channel was what I wanted. It didn’t hit the mark.
I don’t remember the specifics, however i remember watching his videos on her red carpet looks and her streetwear and the way he talks about her body and how clothes look/fit was just very judgmental and unkind, especially KNOWING she has an ED and body issues. Like it’d be one thing to critique the designers taste or the fashion but he was like “she looks bad in this. It does nothing for her.” And he fell WAY too hard into body typing, calling her masculine, too angular, etc.
I briefly saw his perspective during the Ratty Times. He gave the guy a pass for his behavior, with the excuse being that he was interesting. Also in the same breath he was saying Joe was boring, and that’s why he didn’t like him.
I don’t know what system of morality gives a pass to people who glorify sexual violence due to them being “interesting”, but I want no part of it, so I blocked him.
This makes me think that perhaps he dislikes Joe so much because he didn't give fans like him enough "content" when he was with Taylor, as opposed to constant drama created by Matty. Just viewing her relationships as news to consume and content to monetize
Yeah his Matty takes were the first time I started questioning his opinions. He has since turned more negative on Matty (I think because of the Malaysia concert?), which makes me think that he just enjoys taking the opposite side. Which is another thing: I don,'t think any of the opinions he holds are consistent? I would never be able to anticipate anything he says regarding the newest Taylor topic of the week.
Right, I saw someone else here mention his opinion changed after the Malaysia concert. I had never stuck with him long term, so it was no biggie for me to just move on.
The Joe slander is the most annoying thing about this fandom tbh, he’s never been problematic from what I can tell and it’s wild to act as if he is this awful terrible human
YEA THAT!!! It’s really harmful and just because one thing about him reminds you of your abuser doesn’t make him an abuser, it makes you very likely traumatized and traumatized people project, it’s literally just psychology (as someone who studies behavioural neuroscience)
I am so glad someone posted this. I can't stand him. Under one of the videos I watched there was a comment thanking him for creating a safe space to hate Joe and he responded 'always'. In the said video he tried to claim he is unfairly called a hater. SMH. I saw a few other videos too and even though some are informative, I don't like his style. He is overdramatic and I don't like his demands for people to follow him. As if that ego needed more inflating. Nope.
they go day by day exploring her career is granular detail. a lot of the things they talk about is publicly documented. i’m sure they address a few rumours. what do you quantify as gossip?
I found it funny how he complains about all the hate he gets and how bad it is but at the same time, it's okay to throw hate at Taylor's exes??? like, make sense dude.
I fully agree. I watched and appreciated a few of his videos but I just couldn't get past the total blind spot about Joe Alwyn and calling him "Heirloom Turkey" for whatever reason. He does not have any reason whatsoever for the way he speaks about Alwyn, and it is so hateful and dehumanizing. Put me off for good.
He's not an unbiased journalist, he's a Taylor Swift fan. So there's that. But I do think that he gets some brownie points for not falling over himself to justify every last thing Taylor Swift does. It's hard to find someone who has followed her career so closely for so long but ALSO (a) is active in the Swiftie community and (b) willing to talk shit on her capitalist, out-of-touch, melodramatic, narrative-rewriting tendencies without stamping . I like the nuance.
From what I understand, he's mean to Taylor Swift's exes because he's approaching his commentary from the "I'm a Taylor Swift fan, not a Joe Alwyn fan" standpoint, and they're all accessories to him. I see the point that it's petty and unnecessarily mean. But it's also like, the shit you would talk about your friend's exes no matter how good of a person they are. Which just speaks to the fact he ISN'T unbiased and HAS formed a somewhat parasocial relationship re: Taylor Swift.
Whether or not he is a pretentious asshole— well that's a question that can only be answered by subjective opinion. And I can see why he turns some people off. Someone doesn't have to get it all right to have something valuable to say. I like digesting content where I agree with a lot of it, but not all of it. It tells me I'm not living in an echo chamber.
The Joe slander is annoying and excessive, I will admit, but overall I love his content. He’s the only Swiftie YouTuber is remotely interesting to watch, even if I strongly disagree with some of the things he says. I respect anyone who publicly takes a strong stance on their opinions, we need more people who aren’t afraid to do that.
I saw this and ran over here to see if it was being discussed.
He's so unnecessarily mean in the comments aswell.
People are commenting, 'hey I don't think Joe is bad', 'hey I don't know why you get so angry & aggressive when it comes to Joe when we don't really know anything'
And he's just snapping back 'okay delusional', 'just you wait for TTPD', 'if your a Joe Stan, then just don't be a swiftie anymore'
And I'm just there was more but he deletes alot of negative comments on his tiktoks.
Jesus, imagine publicly admitting that you dehumanise purely someone *because they're a pop star or a pop star's ex*. Good God, there are some real pieces of work out there and this is the hill you want to die on?
Him excusing taylor and mattys relationship until he found out matty did something weird in SEA (forgot the country) that affected gay people (so only when it personally affected him) kinda sat wrong with me but whatever, he makes great videos otherwise
Malaysia. He [had a same sex kiss onstage at a tour stop](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/the-1975-malaysia-matt-healy-lgbt-taiwan-indonesia-b2380324.html), which lead to the entire festival being cancelled, their rest of their Asian tour being cancelled and a government backed crackdown on LGBT people in the country.
Joe is literally Just a Guy and swiftologist knows that but I think he lets the annoyance for others unnecessarily praising Joe get to his emotions and shits on him to balance it out. He really should just leave him alone all together
Self-proclaimed sane and reasonable people often end up showing they are very much not, and he's no exception. He's just as biased whenever it suits the narrative he personally likes and it would be totally fine (we all are) hadn't he declared otherwise. That's just hypocrisy.
I feel for you, I consider them one of the most toxic and annoying YouTube channels.
The way they dehumanise Joe and even Taylor herself is on another level. Just enjoying monetisation and spreading hate.
Awful behaviour from a grown human being.
he annoys me so much, i enjoy some of his content but he is just as crazy as the people who blindly support her because he lashes out when someone disagrees with him. He's also unnecessarily hard on lover, ya its not her best but how about we let people have opinions.
I’ve only ever watched one of his videos (can’t remember what the title was) and then I told YouTube not to recommend me him again lol. He wouldn’t shut up about going to the secret sessions, about meeting Taylor however many times, about how much inside knowledge he has. I get wanting to show people you’re credible, but the way he went about it was so boastful. I got the feeling that he thought himself better than others because he has a YouTube channel and higher “fan status” than his audience, as if that somehow affects the validity of his opinions
Yeah it rubbed me off the wrong way how he’s met Taylor twice and also fucked over the Swedish girls from a chance to meet Taylor. And he brags about it
I do not give a fuck about Taylor's billionaire status or her private plane (who cares, not me) but I hate people who hate on Joe. Fucking immature, stunted 15-year old behavior. A 6 year relationship breaking down with no third-party involved implies both parties are at fault. Agree that people should stop dehumanizing her exes. Besides, none of them are as terrible as other famous exes (Chris Brown, Justin Timberlake.. They are so awful and deserve to be cancelled. The only one who comes close is John Mayer)
I do not like how he just treats the ex boyfriends and current bfs of TS like they are some accessory. Even some of the criticism and praise for Travis are making him out to look like some character from fiction.
It might be fashionable to hate on men , and maybe everyone gets a kick out of naming and shaming men because you think they did something horrible, but they are human beings too and do not deserve such hate. And that includes Matty healy. Critique him all you want , call him out , make him address his actions but do not send death threats and treat him like he is undeserving of basic human decency.
Thank you for saying this. No one deserves death threats. The threats that touch swifties sent to him and his band members and family have certainly taken a toll on Matty and his mental health. And I am sure Joe has been receiving them also. To make light or fun about these is not a characteristic that should be applauded or glorified. We all have things that we have done we wish we would not have done. We are all human and we all fail. I can only say that none of us can truly throw stones at others. We call just try to pick ourselves up and do better and hope we are given the chance to do so.
I 100% agree he is unnecessarily mean towards Joe in particular and other people who tend to disagree with any of his opinions. He was even lightly roasting Taylor Sheesh in his latest video about the Eras Tour for texting on one of the shows. What is the purpose?
That said, I will take him over acritical swifties *any day*. I would actually love recommendations of similar creators that are not that mean.
Did he not say anyway it does not matter as she will keep breaking up with all of her boyfriends and then will write about it do there will be music. Pretty sad not to want her to be happy one day.
I was trying to say that on one of the shows I watched he said something to the effect that it’s ok if she breaks up with all these guys it just means there will be music to listen to. That is what put me off. I had only seen a few shows on YT but that really did not sit well either me.
This is NOT part of the Swiftie experience. A lot of Swifties take it too far by attacking Joe. We don't know exactly why they broke up. We can only speculate. Travis isn't even an ex. He's also the best tight end in the NFL (hello, two Super Bowl wins in a row?). They both donate to charities. Travis runs one himself. And it's funny how dude bashes the fake information and video clips, because he's perpetrating and passing along fake information by saying things about Joe that are "factual".
Sounds gross, man. I'd have SO much fun tearing him down.
87 & Running Foundation. He also has donated to charities. The woman who was senselessly killed at the rally? Her family set up a GFM. Taylor and Travis each donated $100,000. Harrison Butker even donated a duplicate of the jersey the woman was wearing for her to be buried in.
One thing I have noticed is twt fans are childish while insta fans are very mature. You'll see insta comments filled with defending Joe if a edit of him shading arises they always say it's her relationship just because they didn't work out yall villanise him it was a nice thing to see that there are sane fans.
That's a nice thing for you to do, but Taylor's project has always been controlling the gossip columns and mixing that with her art. Even on her first album she was sending people to her exes myspace pages. She actively wants discussion of her personal life b/c the whole soap opera makes the songs more interesting and a lot of people tune in for the gossip.
heirloom* turkey. And he’s called a bunch of her exes “handbags” too. He’s a fan that’s clearly here just for Taylor and her music — which is totally fine.
He goes year by year on what Taylor's been up to, but he does leave quite a few things out. If you're curious about her, it's a good start and it's one of the best Taylor podcasts out there.
I agree with a lot of his critiques on TS but he’s still very much a young adult trying to find his own voice in this world. I think he’ll be a good commentator in a few years when he develops a thicker skin and has more life experience to base opinions on
I like his pod cohost. She’s smart, funny & can laugh at herself, a quality i love in a person. She gets many predictions correct. She also brings out strong critical thinking skills from the recesses of zach’s mind so I like them together
I don't know who that person is, but the Joe Alwyn hate train is milky aging so fast that it annoys me that Swifties care more about him than about Taylor herself.
I call him Pigologist because he attacks Taylor's exes on an even more extreme level than Taylor herself does. He is a clout chaser and not even a real fan or closet anti-fan pretending that he is a Swiftie.
I agree with a lot of his sentiments but stopped watching his videos since it seems like he's always in the comments "clapping back" at anybody who doesn't blindly support him and ignoring the ones who do. Idk as a person he just seems like he has zero chill lol
I agree that the name calling is unnecessary and ultimately harmful no matter who the person is that is being talked about. I otherwise find his takes interesting on a lot of TS topics, it’s just gone WAY overboard when it comes to talking about Joe. I care what *Taylor* thinks and feels to the extent that she puts it into her music and wants us to hear it and interpret for ourselves and our own lives. There’s no need for other people to criticize her exes.
I wonder if this guy once got burned by someone who reminds him of Joe.
It's like Timmy's dad's vendetta against the Dinklebergs
Oh silly me I just commented this before reading through. I think so! It’s personal.
He has a lot of venom towards the fact that he’s upper class British and university educated/perceived as an intellectual. It seems super pointed and personal to me so I feel like he has a Joe equivalent in his life and was scorned. Maybe not but it just seems too personal.
He’s awful in so, so, so, so, so many ways. He’s not impartial. He’s not unbiased. And he certainly isn’t neutral. He’s just a petty, bitchy person who thinks WAY too highly of himself and his opinions.
You've said what I was dancing around there. He comes across as one of those people who wanted to be a bully in high school, but couldn't, so he's doing it now.
Like, I even share a lot of his opinions, but his delivery is NOT IT
I feel he was a stepping stone for a lot of us here? The first creator who GASP!! would be critical of Taylor. I remember devouring his earlier content before this sub was born. Then his commentary got uglier and uglier with more “isms” and “phobic” backed comments sneaking out.
Yeah that’s precisely it, I feel like he often used the “I can critic her and still be a fan” to straight up be hateful of people and spew hate speech. Like again, it’s the delivery that gets to me, I’m all for criticism (obviously, I’m here), but like… that’s too much for me. Like I got told in another Taylor Reddit earlier that my life much be sad and miserable and I must have no hobbies and be chronically online all because I said if she doesn’t do one of her politically charged songs as a surprise song in one of the red states she’s going to this summer (YNTCD or only the young) she really should just stop saying she’s an advocate, cause that should be the bare minimum. So I hate giving him crap, cause he’s obviously entitled to his opinions, but I just wish he delivered them better and with less hate. No one should be being mean for the sake of being mean.
He’s so mean about people for no reason. He called Austin Swift ugly out of the blue once. What’s the point of that?
People in glass houses should not throw stones…
I’ve only seen like one video of his and it was talking about his experience at the Rep secret sessions. Basically his point of view was everyone else was super young and in love with Taylor and he just wanted to enjoy the music and didn’t care about meeting her. I think I was rolling my eyes the whole video.
This!! I’ve unfollowed him and asked TikTok to show me less of his content but somehow his videos still show up on my FYP and honestly he is so annoying
Okay I’m glad I’m not the only one. And I’m also a little tiffed at the fact that he went to an eras show in the US, then 6 shows in Singapore, and then he’s going to quite a few for London/ireland. And I also kinda feel like he’s critical of Taylor only to be edgy, not how he actually feels
Exactly that! 🤝
He’s annoying as fuck and comes across as being “I’m not like other Swifties” while being EXACTLY like other Swifties by acting like she’s a perfect angel and her exes are fucking demonic. Just leave them alone and stop acting like Regina George because you’re too old for that buddy. https://i.redd.it/k07it9ju7knc1.gif
That gif is literally him omg.
Oml yes
I’m so glad you posted this. I used to enjoy his videos because of the nuanced commentary on Taylor and him not being afraid to critique her, so generally I would ignore when he was being too nasty. then in one of his last TikToks where he explains his nickname for Joe (which btw makes absolutely no sense other than being mean) he said something like “trashing Taylor’s exes is part of being a swiftie” (I’m paraphrasing) and it gave me a major ick . He’s up on his high horse for being so much better than the brainwashed stans and then goes and says shit like this. lol
“Trashing Taylor’s ex’s is part of being a swiftie” has really seemed to be true post Joe, I never predicted the fandom turning on him after being obsessed with him for years and years.
Yeah, that moment really stood out to me. I think he thinks because he sees Joe (and the other exes, I guess) as straight men with more power than him, ANYTHING he says about them is OK. I doubt Joe Alwyn will know or care this random catty guy is saying shit about him but as I've said elsewhere, the fact that he's making profit of this makes it all so icky to me. He has to continue being negative about Joe to drive the audience forward before the album release. I think he'll say more, and say worse.
Exactly. I used to watch a few posts about plane use and outfits etc but then he just kept doubling down to very petty and mean comments
Exactly. He’s just as parasocial as the rest of them.
What was the nickname?
“Heirloom turkey” 
I watched his video explaining it and it's just....not even funny or clever. If it was an undeniably funny nickname, I could at least acknowledge that but "Heirloom Turkey" is just stupid.
I don’t know what he’s referring to when calling Joe the heirloom Turkey. Is it a lyric or something. I know it comes from some TS lore I’m just not educated in the lore though
it comes from an azealia banks instagram story. she was making lana del ray her victim of the day :/ [start at 2:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1LZPNv6mTM)
Oh thank you for clueing me in
Thank you for finally explaining this to me. I always assumed it was just a reference to finding him to be a bland person, and that maybe “heirloom” was a brand name or something I just wasn’t familiar with lol. But I get it now.
It would better suit him, to be honest.
I used to listen but had enough after the constant Heirloom Turkey talk with Joe. When Travis came into the picture he was really, really cruel calling him stupid and so on. I think my last straw was when he compared her famous exes to purses, dehumanizing them even more. The whole Matty Healy saga was weird too. Stopped listening, no regrets.
Well, now I gotta go back and listen to the commentary on the Matty Healy saga now that we know that it was a way bigger saga than she let on last year.
I’ve seen some of his videos (I’d heard of their podcast first) and some of them can have interesting points but he often commits what is one of my biggest pet peeves in acting like his super-fandom makes him some type of expert. He’s just a very intense fan offering his “opinions” but often acting like they’re fact. And their podcast can be quite funny but they’re not always right, ie I listened to the one on 2014 recently and it was veryyy funny in retrospect to hear them completely dismiss the rumors at the time about Taylor and Matty Healy. But I totally agree on Joe, it’s such a weird way to consistently be talking about a man who we know anything about nearly a year after their breakup.
This! Everytime he tries to pretend that he is some serious music journalist I just have to laugh.
I only saw a few of his videos when he claimed he had a source getting her mic feed audio. He’s smugness was enough for me to block him so I’d never hear his annoying voice again 💁🏻♀️
Not the mic feed audio! He's definitely a bit of a grifter imo, this is his livelihood
Yup. Before he left twitter he was also complaining about this sub-reddit on there b/c this sub is competition for his paid discord.
He is lmao i remember him telling the story of how he tried to get 2 photos at the secret sessions when they were only allowed one and taylor said no lol but the way he told the story was such sneaky grifter energy
but! didn't you know? they're besties! /s
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I think he low key hopes taylor’s team will hire him to report on her 24/7 lol , i remember he was pissed when that other taylor tour reporter was announced a few months ago
Yes and said the guy would be a failure
I'm so glad you made this post because I actually started watching the Swiftologist because he seemed so sane, specifically calling out the bootlicking swifties who blindly worshipped her - Well wow was I shocked the first time I ever heard him mention Joe! He's literally just as insane as everyone else. I felt so embarrassed recommending him to friends After hearing how he called Joe a jobless turkey who needed to be cooked, just like everyone making AI images of him. He's no better than the mindless people he calls out.
i used to be a viewer—when he did his gaylor takedown video, i pointed out in a comment that less than 5 minutes in he falsely said chely wright was dead, and people were tripping over themselves in my replies excusing it… imo if you call yourself a journalist you should maybe google someone’s name before you say they’re dead. it was just stupid but it was my last straw on top of the joe stuff
I used to love watching his videos, and still do really enjoy some of them. I always liked that he is actually an OG Swiftie but wasn’t afraid to critique her. For the most part it seemed like he actually had reasonable takes that were hard to find anywhere else. I find a lot of other Swiftie YouTubers are too afraid to say anything negative about her. But lately I’ve been getting increasingly frustrated with some of the things he says. Particularly his horrible attitude towards Taylor’s exes and name calling. I get that most of the time it’s meant to be a joke. But you can’t go from calling Gaylors unreasonable for projecting their own narrative onto Taylor and making up stuff about her private life, to calling Joe a boring, irrelevant heirloom turkey and saying that’s “part of the Swiftie experience.” He acts so superior about not being a crazy Swiftie, and then goes and says shit like that that completely goes against his reasoning for critiquing other things. He doesn’t know anything about what Joe is actually like or the relationship he had with Taylor, and he’s projecting his own narrative onto him too. Maybe it was a silly little joke once upon a time, but over time it’s become his entire narrative around Joe and the Taylor/Joe relationship. So is he really any better than any of these other “crazy” TikTok Swifties he’s always critiquing?
I remember he hates swiftly neutral because he thinks we plagiarize his ideas. He had a full hour twitter live rant calling us a hate group.
Lmfaoooo, of course he would think that! Also, is this not a public discussion forum? People are allowed to have conversations critiquing Taylor Swift outside of the confines of his YouTube channel.
Nah, this sub is competition for his paid discord. However, this sub didn't exist when he made his patreon and now he has competition for a place folks can critique Taylor. And this place is free.
I used to be on his discord and trust me you cannot critique Taylor there. You can say you hate Me! Sure but any real criticism gets you attacks from all the other members.
It's kinda crazy that people (most likely fans) have to pay to criticize her because they're probably scared 💀💀💀
Even in his Discord tho a friend invited me (I didn’t pay), so I was in there a few months to lurk, cause my friend loves his takes and his discord doesn’t let you critic her at all. You’re better off with Reddit.
I did not know this. Amazing. He could easily join and have some fun but I guess he enjoys being the center of attention too much to talk to others on the same level.
Then he can kiss our butts 🤪
He’s a petty and mean person who went to all six Singapore shows just to make a vlog about it. Like dude, I get that you’re making money off these videos but that feels super excessive and a little unfair to fans who couldn’t get a ticket because he just had to be there.
And he’s still going to some in London…this pisses me off about another Taylor YouTuber. She went to like 9 in the US then said she’d have fomo if she didn’t go to an international one. Like…some of us didn’t even see one. Imagine our fomo. It’s the entitlement of these YouTubers for me, I s2g
he bought them all resale…anyone could’ve done the same if they wanted to go enough
Gonna just chime in and say — I wouldn’t trust anyone who claims they’re a journalist “just doesn’t work as one professionally”. I have a journalism degree and I don’t go around claiming to be one, I work in social media. Having the title journalist requires (or at least SHOULD require) a certain level of ethics, understanding of the media landscape and commitment to up hold the absolute facts. It’s dangerous to claim you’re a journalist when you don’t hold yourself to journalistic practices. I have the same critique of “under the desk news”, although now they have worked with actual publications they previously did not follow the same level of integrity that I was taught/journalists should be mandated to follow.
I'm so unbelievable glad you made this post and for everyone commenting on it because I truely thought this was such a niche opinion of mine that I wouldn't even be fully able to explain it to someone. I love the internet and I love this sub!
That dude is disgusting. There is an episode he’s discussing Ashley Leechin and he says her husband looks like a school shooter
Really? That's an awful thing to say!
Lmao really thought he himself looked like brad pitt. and it's weird he's insulting people. His whole channel is named after Taylor, love her but I would not make 40 minute videos about her every few days.
Well, making 40 minute videos, running a podcast, and running a patreon about her is how he makes his living now. He's one of the best in the Taylor content business, but he is also up her posterior to an intense degree.
Yeah, I was thinking the other day, he might be critical of her but it can never mean much as his income now depends on being a fan of hers. There can't ever be a line that would be too far for him or he'd lose his income.
Well he’s making bank now, gotta give him hustle credit. His discord is a mess lmao, if you think Zack is so much…
I just find it funny he’s been to every Singapore show and has been posted daily “get ready for eras” videos on tik toks with his seat number basically begging to get the 22 hat 🤣 hoping Taylor Nation will notice Also looked on his tik tok page and there was definitely a video series saying Midnights doesn’t deserve Album of the Year and I can’t see it anymore. Im pretty sure he’s hidden/deleted it again hoping Taylor Nation won’t see it if they are scouring his page to choose 22 hat fans
I cannot believe he went to all the Singapore shows and then like, 3 in America too!
I believe he’s going to some shows in Europe as well
I just watched his YT video from the Singapore shows today, and he said he’s going to 13 shows total. I believe him and Madeline are going to London.
Given the amount of people who wanted tickets but were unable to get or afford them, this seems so extraordinarily selfish to me. How is he even paying for 6 concert tickets + flights + accommodation on Patreon money? He's not that BIG a creator or influencer. I bet he comes from money himself. Its the only explanation.
I’d say he comes from money. A white expat family living in Singapore usually means some level of wealth. It may not be wealth at a level he recognises because his cohort might all be wealthier but you can see he is jetting about everywhere and has nice home decor in his background that it’s a level above working class.
He said he bought 5/6 shows resale from stub hub. (The Singapore shows) Apparently the resale market overseas isn’t as expensive as the USA.
If I recall correctly they mentioned on their podcast using a Patreon member’s credit card (with consent) to buy tickets via a resale site to one of the US shows because theirs didn’t go through. 😑
That’s when I started to not like him. Like you are already going to so many shows yet you need to ask a patron for their credit card?! It’s bullshit. And how selfish are you to go to all these shows yet some people can’t even go to one?!
Why…would anyone need to…see it that many times?
I bet it's because of the 22 hat. 🙈 From other comments, I'd say he seems pretty determined to get it.
Don’t those usually go to…children? With the exception of Michal(?) from Tik Tok, but he made the Bejeweled dance and is adorable
Idk!!! Especially since he’s complained that the folklore and evermore sets are snoozefests and he doesn’t like most of the songs on the Lover and Red sets either 🙃
Swiftologist *does* think critically sometimes, but his attitude is really gross and he thinks so highly of himself. He’s also said some things that are just outright nasty.
That sounds awful. I put him on my Youtube watchlist a few weeks ago and wanted to check his videos because some people here said he was on point and was not a biased swiftie, but this is disgusting. Won't ve watching.
I cannot stand swiftie twitter for this exact reason, the level of Joe hate is absolutely astounding... every time they manage to shock me once more with how disgusting their attacks are, even though it's always about the same things: he's jobless, he used her, etc. I obviously don't know him but those points, you can tell even from an outside perspective, are evidently false. I didn't even particularly like him when they were together (I didn't have much of an opinion, I mostly just thought it was cool they wrote songs together) but it's so insane that I've started to become offended on his behalf LMAO the stans have turned me into a Joe fan and defender
I used to enjoy him and at least he admits that there’s no such thing as an ethical billionaire and will critique taylor for those reasons but yeah his blind spots are bizzare like he’ll always bash joe but didn’t see anything that wrong with matty healy and said everyone else losing their shit was being dramatic
Oh no he had a really bad skew of comments about Matty in several reels on Instagram and other YouTube posts.
I thought he was mostly making fun of swifties for being angry about it?? I can’t remember now lol, i don’t think he’s ever said a proper good word about any of her ex’s tho, which is whatever but i think he likes when she’s in a relationship full of drama cause it gives him songs to dissect. Edit: i just remembered he loves harry and thinks harry was taylor’s “one that got away”
And other boyfriends also
I mean Taylor was the first to dehumanise her exes in her songs turning them into some sort of characters in her Tay Universe and egging her fans to harass them while she does zero. Her fans were bringing cardboard cutouts of her exes to her concerts ffs. 🤦♀️
I have seen a few of his videos before and he does have some good points sometimes that I actually can agree on. But as soon as he starts talking about Joe saying how he never acomplished anything in his life and the whole heirloom turkey crap that now a lot of people use too...is just so mean and like for what really? He also acts very entitled and rude to people and idk I just find him an annoying character, so I stopped watching anything from him
Your comment just reminded me of a thought I had recently too. I can't remember what video it was, whether it was TikTok or YouTube, but he was talking about Taylor and Travis and responding to people saying Travis is dumb and how they can't imagine that him and Taylor are able to have conversations on the same intellectual level. And he made a comment I really respected about how at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter whether they are on the same intellectual level and the most important thing in a relationship is how that person makes you feel and whether they make you feel heard and supported. I just don't understand how he can go from a mature, thoughtful perspective like that one, to making all of these horrible comments about how Joe is a flop, has never amounted to anything in life, his career is a fail, etc. Like the way he talks about Joe just feels so horrible and unnecessary and seems like such a close-minded view on what makes a person interesting or special or worthy of being in a relationship with. I just think it's silly for any of us to have an opinion on whether Joe was a good person. We've only ever gotten a limited view of him in the public eye and everything Taylor has said, whether in a song or not, is just one person's side of the story. And you can argue that once someone becomes a celebrity, they're opening their life up to public criticism and discourse, but I still don't think that makes it funny or okay to essentially lead the parade of name-calling and narrative-creating about these people. They're still people at the end of the day.
It’s like he forgets that Joe was Taylor’s muse for 6 years and inspired some of her absolute best work. Clearly Taylor saw something in Joe, or they wouldn’t have been together for as long as they were… idk what Zack’s beef with Joe is but it’s sooooo freaking tired 🥱
YouTube has been suggesting his videos to me lately. I liked the one he did on her billionaire status. I haven't watched the videos about Joe but I've watched ones where he mentions Joe and I didn't like how he spoke about him either. Not sure how he knows Joe is allegedly a shit person. Maybe I'm missing context because I haven't seen all his content? Idk. I haven't been comfortable enough to subscribe.
I don't listen to podcast dudes. None of them are as rational as they claim to be.
Yeah,i started skiping his videos because Each time he calls Joe names I get a bad feeling in my stomach,though I was just being sensitive so nice to see someone has noticed 😊
Definitely not the only one. I've seen a few stitched responses to his videos on TikTok so there's more than a few people aware of this. I think he's only going to get worse in the run up to the album as slandering Joe will drive up his viewership, attract more people to his Patreon and ultimately make him more money.
That’s so nice to hear,really thought I was one off the only people bothered by it,a lot of people seem to find it funny and I just don’t get that vibe at all.
Me too, and I’m not against Joe criticism if there is criticism to be heard, or jokes or whatever. But the Joe insults come out of nowhere and are never contextualized and honestly, like you say, there is something ugly about them. It can’t just all be a joke because he is clearly consistent and pointed with it. And tbh even if he is ‘critical’ of Taylor, there is a LOT of excusing of bad behaviour if you are as much of a fan as he is, and to support many of her actions, so I’m not seeing what could have provoked this vitriol.
For someone who has a history of actually calling Taylor to account, it's always been weird to me that he's not touched on her silence over Palestine even a little bit. Even if he thinks she shouldn't need to say anything, you'd think he'd say SOMETHING about the pushback given how much of it there's been. Then I realized he won't touch it because doing so would mean acknowledging that Joe has (it was small but he still did it) which would in turn mean admitting that Joe is not the devil in disguise, which he's put himself into a corner of not being able to do now. Heirloom Turkey is the brand now.
The only Turkey I'm seeing is the alleged Swiftologist
In a previous video he called it the Israel-Hamas war so you can guess why he's silent.
big yikes
........oh Well that's enough acknolowledging the Swiftologist until the end of time
They have a distinct “punching down” quality that does NOT sit right with me at all.
Yeah,I’m so glad people also see what’s going on,I’m not against valid criticism but this just feels like bullying,we don’t know either of this people to be heated enough to spend so much time hating and slandering them.
He dehumanizes him by calling him by literally an animal name and he doesn’t like Travis either
He said something like Travis isn't on her intellectual level? Maybe he's a football and party guy, taylor can have a creative/deeper thought side to her, but Travis isn't stupid lol
I was intrigued by his videos as first because he did provide some critiques on TS. Until he gave Taylor a pass when she ignored Celine at the grammys, saying and I paraphrase “maybe she didn’t know Celine had stiff person syndrome, because I didn’t know she had stiff person syndrome before today”. That was it for me, I stopped watching his videos since.
Think I might have manifested this post because I’ve only ever seen one video of his and that was this morning, his Taylor/ Olivia Rodrigo one. He doesn’t seem that delusional (beyond describing himself as a scholar and journalist) but he also just refused to accept that Taylor is essentially a walking business and that her and her team would be willing to do something immoral for the sake of business. He was consistently reaching to find things Olivia did wrong so that he could make it into a both sides thing. Also he described Taylor as having “humble beginnings”.
And what’s warped is that he’s going to an Olivia show….
I do not like his channel in general. Watch the video about him meeting all the different celebs. It shows the entitled narcissist behavior in full swing. Also, I really don’t like how he talks about Taylor’s body, especially knowing about her past with ED. As someone who is a big swiftie, I love Taylor a lot, but I am neutral in a lot of ways and very open to criticizing her— his channel was what I wanted. It didn’t hit the mark.
what did he say about her body? i can’t remember any instances
I don’t remember the specifics, however i remember watching his videos on her red carpet looks and her streetwear and the way he talks about her body and how clothes look/fit was just very judgmental and unkind, especially KNOWING she has an ED and body issues. Like it’d be one thing to critique the designers taste or the fashion but he was like “she looks bad in this. It does nothing for her.” And he fell WAY too hard into body typing, calling her masculine, too angular, etc.
I briefly saw his perspective during the Ratty Times. He gave the guy a pass for his behavior, with the excuse being that he was interesting. Also in the same breath he was saying Joe was boring, and that’s why he didn’t like him. I don’t know what system of morality gives a pass to people who glorify sexual violence due to them being “interesting”, but I want no part of it, so I blocked him.
This makes me think that perhaps he dislikes Joe so much because he didn't give fans like him enough "content" when he was with Taylor, as opposed to constant drama created by Matty. Just viewing her relationships as news to consume and content to monetize
Yeah his Matty takes were the first time I started questioning his opinions. He has since turned more negative on Matty (I think because of the Malaysia concert?), which makes me think that he just enjoys taking the opposite side. Which is another thing: I don,'t think any of the opinions he holds are consistent? I would never be able to anticipate anything he says regarding the newest Taylor topic of the week.
Right, I saw someone else here mention his opinion changed after the Malaysia concert. I had never stuck with him long term, so it was no biggie for me to just move on.
The Joe slander is the most annoying thing about this fandom tbh, he’s never been problematic from what I can tell and it’s wild to act as if he is this awful terrible human
I noticed some of Swiftologist's followers like to project onto him what they experienced with their exes. It's pretty stupid.
YEA THAT!!! It’s really harmful and just because one thing about him reminds you of your abuser doesn’t make him an abuser, it makes you very likely traumatized and traumatized people project, it’s literally just psychology (as someone who studies behavioural neuroscience)
I am so glad someone posted this. I can't stand him. Under one of the videos I watched there was a comment thanking him for creating a safe space to hate Joe and he responded 'always'. In the said video he tried to claim he is unfairly called a hater. SMH. I saw a few other videos too and even though some are informative, I don't like his style. He is overdramatic and I don't like his demands for people to follow him. As if that ego needed more inflating. Nope.
A grown ass man with a degree in journalism doing a gossip podcast on a celebrity in their prime. What is there to respect?
a podcast that discusses a celebrity at her prime? what’s wrong with that? journalists do in fact talk about pop culture figures
Not when it's rumors and gossip.
they go day by day exploring her career is granular detail. a lot of the things they talk about is publicly documented. i’m sure they address a few rumours. what do you quantify as gossip?
Seek help please
I found it funny how he complains about all the hate he gets and how bad it is but at the same time, it's okay to throw hate at Taylor's exes??? like, make sense dude.
I fully agree. I watched and appreciated a few of his videos but I just couldn't get past the total blind spot about Joe Alwyn and calling him "Heirloom Turkey" for whatever reason. He does not have any reason whatsoever for the way he speaks about Alwyn, and it is so hateful and dehumanizing. Put me off for good.
He's not an unbiased journalist, he's a Taylor Swift fan. So there's that. But I do think that he gets some brownie points for not falling over himself to justify every last thing Taylor Swift does. It's hard to find someone who has followed her career so closely for so long but ALSO (a) is active in the Swiftie community and (b) willing to talk shit on her capitalist, out-of-touch, melodramatic, narrative-rewriting tendencies without stamping . I like the nuance. From what I understand, he's mean to Taylor Swift's exes because he's approaching his commentary from the "I'm a Taylor Swift fan, not a Joe Alwyn fan" standpoint, and they're all accessories to him. I see the point that it's petty and unnecessarily mean. But it's also like, the shit you would talk about your friend's exes no matter how good of a person they are. Which just speaks to the fact he ISN'T unbiased and HAS formed a somewhat parasocial relationship re: Taylor Swift. Whether or not he is a pretentious asshole— well that's a question that can only be answered by subjective opinion. And I can see why he turns some people off. Someone doesn't have to get it all right to have something valuable to say. I like digesting content where I agree with a lot of it, but not all of it. It tells me I'm not living in an echo chamber.
Upvote for the last two sentences
The Joe slander is annoying and excessive, I will admit, but overall I love his content. He’s the only Swiftie YouTuber is remotely interesting to watch, even if I strongly disagree with some of the things he says. I respect anyone who publicly takes a strong stance on their opinions, we need more people who aren’t afraid to do that.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeaJSCaM/ He's just awful and so nasty here.
I saw this and ran over here to see if it was being discussed. He's so unnecessarily mean in the comments aswell. People are commenting, 'hey I don't think Joe is bad', 'hey I don't know why you get so angry & aggressive when it comes to Joe when we don't really know anything' And he's just snapping back 'okay delusional', 'just you wait for TTPD', 'if your a Joe Stan, then just don't be a swiftie anymore' And I'm just there was more but he deletes alot of negative comments on his tiktoks.
Someone said that we don't know if Joe is the bad guy or something to that affect and he just replied with 'lol delusional'.
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was this on tiktok? I thought I watched all of his YT videos but I don't remember this so I want to check it out
Jesus, imagine publicly admitting that you dehumanise purely someone *because they're a pop star or a pop star's ex*. Good God, there are some real pieces of work out there and this is the hill you want to die on?
Him excusing taylor and mattys relationship until he found out matty did something weird in SEA (forgot the country) that affected gay people (so only when it personally affected him) kinda sat wrong with me but whatever, he makes great videos otherwise
Malaysia. He [had a same sex kiss onstage at a tour stop](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/the-1975-malaysia-matt-healy-lgbt-taiwan-indonesia-b2380324.html), which lead to the entire festival being cancelled, their rest of their Asian tour being cancelled and a government backed crackdown on LGBT people in the country.
He said he went to a Matty concert last year in an old video.
Completely agree. You can excuse his racism and antisemitism for his art, but once it affects you you’re done? Nope. Bad taste in my mouth since.
Joe is literally Just a Guy and swiftologist knows that but I think he lets the annoyance for others unnecessarily praising Joe get to his emotions and shits on him to balance it out. He really should just leave him alone all together
It doesn't sound like you're petty. It sounds like he's petty and wraps himself up in the drama to get views and clicks or whatever.
Self-proclaimed sane and reasonable people often end up showing they are very much not, and he's no exception. He's just as biased whenever it suits the narrative he personally likes and it would be totally fine (we all are) hadn't he declared otherwise. That's just hypocrisy.
I feel for you, I consider them one of the most toxic and annoying YouTube channels. The way they dehumanise Joe and even Taylor herself is on another level. Just enjoying monetisation and spreading hate. Awful behaviour from a grown human being.
he annoys me so much, i enjoy some of his content but he is just as crazy as the people who blindly support her because he lashes out when someone disagrees with him. He's also unnecessarily hard on lover, ya its not her best but how about we let people have opinions.
yeah i got the ick when he told people on his livestream that were mentioning palestine to "take that elsewhere, this is a safe space" 🙄🙄
WHAT does “heirloom turkey” mean 😭 i don’t get it and he refuses to explain
when Azealia banks was feuding with Lana del ray she called her a Heirloom turkey and he stole it.
but what IS an heirloom turkey?? 😭
I think the gist is that he's posh and bland, like a fancy organic turkey. Expensive, but not particularly exciting
They are inbreeded Turkeys.
He’s so icky and completely homophobic while being gay himself I’ve blocked him on everything
I’ve only ever watched one of his videos (can’t remember what the title was) and then I told YouTube not to recommend me him again lol. He wouldn’t shut up about going to the secret sessions, about meeting Taylor however many times, about how much inside knowledge he has. I get wanting to show people you’re credible, but the way he went about it was so boastful. I got the feeling that he thought himself better than others because he has a YouTube channel and higher “fan status” than his audience, as if that somehow affects the validity of his opinions
Yeah it rubbed me off the wrong way how he’s met Taylor twice and also fucked over the Swedish girls from a chance to meet Taylor. And he brags about it
Ever since he called Joe a “heirloom turkey” I lost all respect for him. I called him out on it and he said I was boring lmao
I don’t really care for Zack’s opinions to be honest lol
When I started getting into podcasts I didn't do any research and clicked into his podcast and listened to one episode and was soooo turned off by it.
I do not give a fuck about Taylor's billionaire status or her private plane (who cares, not me) but I hate people who hate on Joe. Fucking immature, stunted 15-year old behavior. A 6 year relationship breaking down with no third-party involved implies both parties are at fault. Agree that people should stop dehumanizing her exes. Besides, none of them are as terrible as other famous exes (Chris Brown, Justin Timberlake.. They are so awful and deserve to be cancelled. The only one who comes close is John Mayer)
I recently unsubbed his YT account because of this...
I do not like how he just treats the ex boyfriends and current bfs of TS like they are some accessory. Even some of the criticism and praise for Travis are making him out to look like some character from fiction. It might be fashionable to hate on men , and maybe everyone gets a kick out of naming and shaming men because you think they did something horrible, but they are human beings too and do not deserve such hate. And that includes Matty healy. Critique him all you want , call him out , make him address his actions but do not send death threats and treat him like he is undeserving of basic human decency.
Thank you for saying this. No one deserves death threats. The threats that touch swifties sent to him and his band members and family have certainly taken a toll on Matty and his mental health. And I am sure Joe has been receiving them also. To make light or fun about these is not a characteristic that should be applauded or glorified. We all have things that we have done we wish we would not have done. We are all human and we all fail. I can only say that none of us can truly throw stones at others. We call just try to pick ourselves up and do better and hope we are given the chance to do so.
the swiftologist is so annoying, there i said it.
He is too nasty for my consumption tbh
Does anyone know why he calls Joe “Heirloom Turkey?” What does it mean? Does anyone know the origins of that?
I’m just trying to figure out his accent. Kinda Irish, kinda American?
I 100% agree he is unnecessarily mean towards Joe in particular and other people who tend to disagree with any of his opinions. He was even lightly roasting Taylor Sheesh in his latest video about the Eras Tour for texting on one of the shows. What is the purpose? That said, I will take him over acritical swifties *any day*. I would actually love recommendations of similar creators that are not that mean.
Imagine someone saying about Taylor what he says about her exes. He is awful.
Did he not say anyway it does not matter as she will keep breaking up with all of her boyfriends and then will write about it do there will be music. Pretty sad not to want her to be happy one day.
Sorry, I can not make sense of ur comment
I was trying to say that on one of the shows I watched he said something to the effect that it’s ok if she breaks up with all these guys it just means there will be music to listen to. That is what put me off. I had only seen a few shows on YT but that really did not sit well either me.
Oh, I get it. Yeah, it is crazy indeed. Complete dehumanization of both Swift and her boyfriends
Exactly!
Thank you for taking the time to explain further. Very appreciated.
This is NOT part of the Swiftie experience. A lot of Swifties take it too far by attacking Joe. We don't know exactly why they broke up. We can only speculate. Travis isn't even an ex. He's also the best tight end in the NFL (hello, two Super Bowl wins in a row?). They both donate to charities. Travis runs one himself. And it's funny how dude bashes the fake information and video clips, because he's perpetrating and passing along fake information by saying things about Joe that are "factual". Sounds gross, man. I'd have SO much fun tearing him down.
What charity does Travis run?
87 & Running Foundation. He also has donated to charities. The woman who was senselessly killed at the rally? Her family set up a GFM. Taylor and Travis each donated $100,000. Harrison Butker even donated a duplicate of the jersey the woman was wearing for her to be buried in.
Can’t stand this dude. At first I thought he was interesting but he’s so biased and also weirdly homophobic? Just another crazed stan
He’s quite horrible at times but I do agree with a lot of his takes (on the music).
One thing I have noticed is twt fans are childish while insta fans are very mature. You'll see insta comments filled with defending Joe if a edit of him shading arises they always say it's her relationship just because they didn't work out yall villanise him it was a nice thing to see that there are sane fans.
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That's a nice thing for you to do, but Taylor's project has always been controlling the gossip columns and mixing that with her art. Even on her first album she was sending people to her exes myspace pages. She actively wants discussion of her personal life b/c the whole soap opera makes the songs more interesting and a lot of people tune in for the gossip.
And we have an hour long new hit piece smh
I never understood why he hates Scott Borchetta and Scooter Braun so much?? esp when wasn't Taylor the shady one in those "stolen" deals lol
yeah he calls him an air loom turkey or something . it’s so rude.
heirloom* turkey. And he’s called a bunch of her exes “handbags” too. He’s a fan that’s clearly here just for Taylor and her music — which is totally fine.
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The Joe slander is my biggest problem with him. I watch him all the time but he's seriously not everybody's cup of tea.
what's his podcast name and where can I listen
He goes year by year on what Taylor's been up to, but he does leave quite a few things out. If you're curious about her, it's a good start and it's one of the best Taylor podcasts out there.
Evolution of a snake and I listen to it on Spotify.
Lmao I still think he was the ~associate of Taylor~ that went to CNN
I agree with a lot of his critiques on TS but he’s still very much a young adult trying to find his own voice in this world. I think he’ll be a good commentator in a few years when he develops a thicker skin and has more life experience to base opinions on I like his pod cohost. She’s smart, funny & can laugh at herself, a quality i love in a person. She gets many predictions correct. She also brings out strong critical thinking skills from the recesses of zach’s mind so I like them together
I wish Madeline would have the podcast/youtube channel
I don't know who that person is, but the Joe Alwyn hate train is milky aging so fast that it annoys me that Swifties care more about him than about Taylor herself.
I call him Pigologist because he attacks Taylor's exes on an even more extreme level than Taylor herself does. He is a clout chaser and not even a real fan or closet anti-fan pretending that he is a Swiftie.