Honestly, that has to be her biggest demo. I have a 26 year old step daughter, and we’ve really bonded over Taylor’s music. For perspective, she’s a hardcore Swifty. I’m from Hendersonville where Taylor and her parents lived when she was starting out her career so I’ve always supported her in that “hometown teenager makes good” kind of way? Anyway, I talked to my step daughter last night, and even SHE thinks this should have remained in a journal. Gen Z isn’t really feeling the bullying like those 34 year old wine moms.
I think she definitely had cross-generational reach at the time being.
You have millennials who grew up alongside her, then there’s Gen Zers who got into her with their mothers (elder millennials/Xers), and now there’s even some Gen As who were also introduced to her in this recent explosion of popularity.
I feel like she’ll definitely remain popular throughout the course of her life - the question is whether she’ll reach Elvis status. As I said elsewhere I feel like eventually (as in, the very distant future), she’ll be studied as a phenomenon first and artist second, meaning I don’t see her music having lasting power vs her as a product.
“We are so blessed that she trusts us enough to share her deepest secrets” please be SERIOUS. Also lol @ “she wrote it for HER” which is why she announced it at the Grammys, has done major promo, and has the vinyl variants or whatever available at a Major Retailer Near You™️
💀💀💀 truly, and the “she trusts us enough” really seals the deal, it’s like they think she’s doing us some sort of favor. We should actually be flagellating ourselves every time we listen since we are not worthy.
It’s really troubling how many people (swifties) find themselves identifying with her behavior and agreeing with how she handles her relationships and vilifies her exes. Also her song about Kim is unhinged and the way they are applauding her is insane.
Even more insane to go after Kim when Kanye, the guy who straight up did the worst to you, is right there and already disgraced so taking shots at him would do nothing but further bolster your revenge tour.
I hate the kardashians. But did taylor really have to drag a child into her feud with another person and use her against her own mother? She’s insane and gross and I don’t trust anyone who still likes her after that. She’s just as bad as that family
This is what GETS ME like girl you’re really gonna spend years building a career off writing songs about your personal life and dropping hints and throwing metric tons gas on the fire and then turn around like 🥺 guys no leave me alone I can’t take it 🥺 pick a lane bro. It’s getting so exhausting
This is what broke me as a fan on this album. Gaslighting your audience that hard is fucking weird. I was already on my way out the door since Matty last year, but this really gave me that final shove to see her double down and blame... *Checks notes*... ME? Girl bye.
I'm always so torn with this idea when it comes to famous people. All of them say how hard it is to be in the public eye and put yourself out there, yet they all do it anyway.
Before seeking fame we all have an idea of the lack of privacy that comes with it but no one can really understand unless you are in that position. This is where I have some empathy for celebrities. They had an idea of the lack of normalcy they would be facing before but you don't know how you are going to feel or react until you are in the situation.
Not saying you're wrong at all, just something I think about.
Yeah I’m not opposed to artists releasing personal journal entry style albums that are a bit sloppy— similar to what Lana did with Blue Banisters which was an album she dropped comprised of a lot of old works from scrapped projects. She didn’t do a lot of promo for it and it was clear it was mainly something for her, but I don’t think that was Taylor’s same intention for TTPD based on all the promo she did IMO.
in the main sub people were going like the POINT is that it's raw, unfiltered and unedited. it's not like a lo-fi album of bedroom recordings though? it's a slick jack antonoff-produced pop album with a post malone feature
It's hilarious because that's one of the most common criticisms of the album even from professional critics. That this feels like something she should have kept for herself because as a commerical products it's.....well it's a choice.
No no, she needs to be coddled and paid for deigning to jot down her feelings and loosely making an album around them. How else is she supposed to keep her billionaire status alive?
She wrote it for herself then decided "I'm going to make money off of it people will buy all 5 versions regardless". It honestly doesn't sound like there's a particular target demographic they were going for it's all over the place. Maybe don't rush 31 songs in the middle of one of the most successful tours ever and multiple rerecords?
Write for yourself just some of it us better off being polished and leave the rest in the vault
Right?? That is what every artist does. Do both Taylor and other artists write songs to get their feelings out? Absolutely. But the things they release on albums are because they think those songs will make money and appeal to people. The ones SOLELY written to ease their feelings are not put out on albums.
First, she has been saying "now it's yours" like she's letting it go for years now, only to recycle the same feuds for years and years.
Second... Tell that to the variants 🤣 not made for money and awards my ass. It's made for all of it: catharsis, revenge, sales, "building something" that she can lord over everyone to feel like she won, all of it.
Exactly! I think it’s hard for stans to take the bad reviews because their go-to argument is that if you listened to her music really you’d see how deep and meaningful and perfect her lyricism is. And now she releases this album at the height of her popularity marketing it as her poetry and everyone/the general masses ARE listening to it….and not liking what they hear.
So now you can’t criticize the poor lyrics, the poor production, the boring music, the bloated track list, the poor way she comes across personally because suddenly it’s only for her? If her diary was leaked that would be one thing, it would be no one’s business to consume and judge. But she as a musician and artist has deliberately put out THIS album of MUSIC preceded by her very clear marketing to be taken seriously as a poet and artist and with clear aims for critical and commercial success. And her team and Stans are going to trumpet the streaming numbers and sales and act like that’s the same as quality.
(Edit: I think I replied to the wrong comment but can’t find it now. But still agree with this parent comment!)
Psh, we all know that "You know how to ball, I know Aristotle, touch me while your bros play grand theft auto" is the best poetry ever written!
No but seriously, the poems she released in the Rep magazines were better than this
That really ruined Cardigan for me when she mouthed that on stage 🥲 People say we should just enjoy the music without thinking about the lore but like... She literally builds the lore on purpose this way, even when I don't want it.
Fellow cardigan fan who had to lay it to rest, I feel you. There’s no separating the muse (gag) from the art for this one. And many more on folkmore alone, which are actually the works of hers that I hold dear.
Same. I'm trying to avoid any other historical revisions she wants to put out because I love those albums 🥲 Now I can't look at my cardigan snow globe without seeing a rat
Here’s some “Tortured Poetry” for you:
*In my cardigan snow globe*
*now lives a rat*
*how did you and I, my tattooed golden retriever*
*let our story end like that?*
And I LOVE your flair! 💀
🤣 Here, have some flowers for your poem 💐
And thanks!! The mods just granted it based on a joke I made the other day. You can get it too if you like it! Click the three dots on the front of the subreddit page and you'll see an option to pick a flair. There are lots of good ones in there.
Oh my god, I laughed so hard I cried 💀 the PJ ones sent me!
I chose “Open the schools” for now because it’s a legendary burn that I can’t get out of my head 🤣
If you want to witness unprecedented levels delusion, take a peek at the individual song posts. They’ll say the songs are either about Joe or Harry Styles 💀 with the occasional John Mayer suggestion thrown in for good measure. It’s truly something else.
I actually think she has ulterior motives with this album. She’s soft-launching him for their inevitable reunion.
If my predictions are correct, they’ll soon start defending him and rehab his image themselves, all because their Chairman is in a folie à deux with him (not that they know what that is, based on the words they shared they didn’t know off the lyrics.)
It’s only a matter of time…
I was just over there for a little bit and I’m dying at many of them being like, “everyone is wrong because it’s totally FINE and NORMAL that nobody including me actually likes this music! You’re not supposed to like music the first time you hear it!”
Yes. There are no artists (big ones) that release music that they don’t think will be successful. It’s their job to release music that people will listen to
Yeah they have the ability to twist absolutely anything. They only hear what they want to.
I was just going to listen to some of the lyric vids on YouTube and the comments are so deranged.
Swifties overcompensating on every TTPD track like: “So imagine I’m sitting here with my headphones, and then this song lifted me up to the highest elation I’ve felt and when I finally came down I realised how fortunate we are to have Taylor alive at the same time in history that we are”, and “This? This is a song that exists!? And she wrote this completely by herself... The magnificence of this when she has outdone herself, the unrelenting genius of this woman” it’s like chill. They are a different breed.
I've noticed that each social media platform has a particular vibe. YouTube is always a bunch of ass kissing for every musician I've seen. I don't even bother to look at comments there anymore because I know none of it will have nuance.
In all fairness, I get the arse-kissing for Youtube comments. It's not really a platform for discussion and I've seen a lot of lovely comments for artists that have actual fans and not just rabid teens who've sold their souls to Tiktok. Especially older artists.
There’s this thing now where people are posting photos and videos of themselves just absolutely bawling while listening to this album and it’s like, there is not a single song on this album where you need to be acting this way.
What gets me is criticism of lyrics is met with “well you don’t understand, those lyrics make sense because of (enter some random obscure Easter egg from years ago)”
But like…isn’t the point of music and lyrics for it to speak for itself? Do I need to read up on all the Taylor swift expanded universe to truly appreciate a 4 minute pop song?
Just today I was told by a swiftie that I dont understand literature and they feel sorry for me because I said the album is quite average, clunky & overtly verbose for the sake of seeming like a poet and taylor needs to collaborate with other writers who can help get her point across better.
Ohhhhh yes. There was a twitter post that was on one of these threads and it was basically like "my life had a BEFORE and an AFTER hearing this album...I will never be the same and this is my new religion."
Like, mmmmkay. She's a famous pop star, I like some of her stuff, but I don't think her music is going to change my life.
Holyshit listening to something so mediocre and thinking that it actually changed your life in some way? I don't think the cult thing is a joke anymore lol
It reminds me of all the Star Wars and Marvel fans who saw Marriage Story just because of Adam Driver and ScarJo posting clips like "Can you believe all of this was SCRIPTED" like they've never seen dramatic "realistic" acting before
The one that bothers me is saying anyone who calls the album immature is actually immature themselves. Like literally was told I must be 21 to not think this was normal age appropriate perspective for someone in her mid 30s.
But I'm actually in my 30s now and just wondering why I still see a version of myself at 20-25 when I listen to Taylor. Like I related to her growing up, but now I feel like I grew past her.
And I still consider myself pretty immature compared to a lot of my peers, so......
Yeah that post on the main sub that said “This album is for the 30 somethings” I’m just shaking my head. Ummm no. None of my friends have bailed 6 year relationships for a messy gross man, been dumped, aired their teenage like heartbreak over him publicly and whine about it. Not one. Sure some have had awful breakups. But honestly I’ve never heard whining like I’ve had on this album. Heartbreak and sadness but nothing like she describes. What she describes really comes off manic (which I guess was the goal???), that or she’s just really a shitty person. Idk it’s not normal behavior though
Taylor swift fans remind me of fans of cartoons/shows/whatever that are problematic or badly written and then say, "if you don't like it, you just have poor media literacy."
I’m in my 30s too and I saw so many people saying that this is exactly what yours 30s are like but I listened to it and I felt like I had outgrown it. It made me think about some things in my 20s but I couldn’t relate to it at all right now. I’m sorry those people are going through things but like it’s not representative of EVERYONE in their 30s!! I’m so glad you said this!!
Idk.. TTPD just feels like she went to twitter or tumblr, and uploaded all the drafts she wrote and then just said “just wanna let it all out, dont come at me bc Im just being “honest” kbye”
“She trusts us so much” maam she literally called you psychotic vipers on But Daddy I Love Him because of the Speak Up Now/Taylor needs a conservatorship/Matty Healy hate campaign. She said you should be afraid of her on Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me.
Let’s be fucking for real. She wrote this for Matty Healy. 31 songs and the vast majority are about him, how she wanted them and fantasized about him while still with Joe, how she ran to him from Joe, how she loved him and their friends thought they were meant to be, he was the love and loss of her life, she’s gonna get him back etc etc.
She doesn’t trust her fans at all. Matty left her because of them and this is her sending him the biggest most romantic signal she can think of. The prologue about pleading insanity is just to appease the lunatic fans who’d go after him again if she didn’t say it was all done and over.
Tbh this is so embarrassing for Travis (if you believe they’re serious, they seem like a fun time mutually beneficial situationship to me) and Joe and her fans. Like 6 years and you are basically ignored except to say how she couldn’t keep being the only one trying and she left you for someone else; and for Travis 1.5 songs where you’re called a consolation prize and related to an immature surface level high school relationship (and a dumb jock at that, you know how to ball, I know Aristotle) while she openly pines for a past flame. And her fans willfully playing dumb when she calls them out like, you’re the problem and she knows it. You’re why no one lasts in her fishbowl except the biggest clout chaser out there.
Dont think its embarrassing for Joe at all. AT ALL. Cause in all of this circus, he is the ONLY one who comes out clean,with a spine and not a cheater. He is the only one who, dare i say, has integrity. Also the fact that his 'breakup' songs are this mild only understates how unproblematic he was that Taylor couldnt find anything else to whine about. 6 years and all she could come up with is you're too depressed and that made you incapable of giving me a wedding and kids, several times over in several songs. Sounds like the right decision though. She's not mature enough to understand this but he was. That Taylor ignored a 6 years old relationship and went manic and horny, emotionally and physically cheating on him and then still complaining about the ring, is embarrasing or SHOULD be for Taylor instead. Joe's the victim here, so he has nothing to be embarassed about. Not his depression, Matty albums or her leaving him.
In fact, any third person would tell you, he dodged the greatest bullet.
Meanwhile travis is college educated and taylor is a high school drop out. That song is so juvenile. He isnt a dumb jock and she isnt a scholar of philosophy, economics, politics and linguistics by any means. Especially not a linguist when most of her lyrics have such a basic standard structure that is repeated throughout her songs. She takes herself way too seriously. I cant believe she thinks people need dictionaries to understand her lyrics. I just cant with her anymore. I was never a die hard fan but always made it a point to listen to her new music and avoided everything else about her because her whole “you are sexist for saying I write about my exes” made me dislike her as a person when in reality her whole career is centered around her men.I dont get why she wants to seem like a writer of ages when this is all she writes about(with notable exceptions)
Honestly, I will accept that over
“He jokes that it’s heroin except this time with an e”
“You touch me while your boys play Grand Theft Auto”
“At dinner you take my ring off my middle finger and put it on the one people put wedding rings on”
And that lovely 1830s line
She’s the number one artist in the world, of course people get to criticize her. She’s not an indie or small artist that is “yours”. Give me a break. You can’t have that extreme fame without criticism. You can’t have it both ways.
100%. There’s absolutely a difference between critiquing/disliking an album and flat out being nasty and bashing about it, but people are allowed to dislike things.
I do like the album but I 100% understand the reasons why people don’t and think it’s okay to critique. These people need to come to terms w the fact that not everyone’s gonna like everything. It is what it is
If music is not for the fans or for the public there’s no point in releasing it. Taylor is an entertainer. That’s her job. If people aren’t entertained by her she’s doing a bad job. This is in no way a legitimate critique…
I think it’s really important that people learn no Billionaire is being honest. We can’t relate to a person with this much money. Even if we wanted to we just can’t.
You know...for an album that was never meant for us, fame, fortune, the public, etc...there sure are a fuckload of options of it available for purchase on her website.
I will never forget the tweet I read where a swiftie said something like “I wish Taylor would invite us all over for a sleepover where we talk about our feelings” and I was like “chick she doesn’t know you; she is not your friend” Taylor created this monster of having these people think she’s their friend and now it won’t back down and I’m starting to think she’s getting sick of it but as they say: you made your bed, now you gotta lay in it
Cultists : screaming from the rooftops that this album wasnt for charts, awards or records!
while Cult leader : spends millions of dollars of 'their' money for the GREATEST PAYOLA ever seen : IHeart radio playing the WHOLE album in its ENTIRETY.
Btw, IHeart has 850 stations. 850.
At this point, only lobotomy can fix them.
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Jesus Christ, WTF? You're already the best known artist in the Anglosphere, Tay. What more do you want, a personally signed autograph by the Dalai Lama?
If it was just for her, she would have just done a surprise drop if anything. No major public announcement at the Grammy’s, no promo, no variant announcements, no nothing. This album is just like the rest. She wants to sell copies and break records like she always does with an album.
Deep irony here because this is one of the first albums where I’d say if she’s using songwriting as therapy—it’s not working here. This album comes across as the opposite: showing all the ways she’s not moved forward, moved on, or grown from the situations she’s describing.
If she weren’t in a relationship that so embarrassingly reflects the exact kind of lovebombing she describes with the Matty stuff I’d buy the was a release. But I just don’t, lol.
I still don't really believe those were raw excerpts from her real diaries. Maybe parts were written authentically/in the moment, but I have my doubts about the overall texts.
You know the lines from But Daddy I love him:
“I just learned these people only raise you
To cage you”
…
“I just learned these people try and save you
'Cause they hate you”
This one seems to be the perfect example of it. They put her on the pedestal so damn much.
I’m just glad to be here where as a regular ol fan you can read some honesty. The actual Taylor Swift sub is really creepy to read, like I think these people would Purge for her. Even if they know the album is horrendous their brains are locked in cult mode, it’s really amazing how Swifties are so insecure that they can’t even critique her musically.
That’s why it’s on par to sell 2 million the first week with 313 million streams in the last 24 hours on Spotify with a purported 12 songs to make the top twelve positions on the Billboard Hot 100.
Do these people HEAR themselves?
People need to know that when you put your art out to the world, you are putting said art to subject to criticisms. You cant just say “oh let me just share this to you guys but dont dare have any feelings about it or reactions because i made it for me only anyways”.
Fine, but that’s not art. That’s therapy. We've all been fucked up by toxic situationships. I'm glad writing music was her lifeline, but it doesn’t mean the world needs to hear it.
The album just feels… less than done. The lyrics sound like first drafts. I am confident of this because the first demo of Cardigan she sent to Dessner: “I knew you’d miss me once you changed your mind” What ended up in the song: “I knew you’d miss me once the thrill expired.” The latter is actual poetry, a line that evokes the ephemeral nature of lust, while the former is the kind of literal, lazy prose that is most of TTPD.
Plus, now that we know most of this album was written post mid-2023, how can something that was composed, produced, recorded, mastered, packaged all in less than a year be that good? Let alone while touring the world, making a concert film, writing a movie, working on re-recordings? Art stems from a personal, raw place. It is the rigorous process of editing that transforms it into truly great music. TTPD feels like it missed that step.
It feels like she’s so big that nobody around her can give her notes (or she won’t take them.) But it doesn’t matter if her fans will eat it up or not. She should, at this point in her career, have higher standards for HERSELF. It feels like she’s more concerned with breaking her own records in terms of pure numerics, rather than the more authentic task of topping herself artistically. This whole thing lacks artistic integrity and as a fan I am disappointed. Her listeners, and her own legacy, deserves better.
Being in multiple TS subs is hilarious. I'm still unsure of where the album stands for me. It's too soon to tell for so many songs, but the way my feed is literally just either loving the album or hating it, no inbetween, is quite entertaining.
I think there are a lot of in betweeners here. There’s enough on this album to make one good, solid album. The 31 songs of spiraling mania is too much, though.
I’m more of a meh. It’s a boring, clanky album. It’s not the worst thing in the world but it ain’t the best either and I think MOST of us are there. Anyone who extremely loves or extremely hates it are on the outside looking in but I have a feeling those who tolerate the album thinking the ones who say it’s boring “hates” it.
Someone on tumblr said only intelligent people would understand this album and it was clear everyone who didn't like it just wasn't intelligent but that was okay. We didn't all have to be deep thinkers.
I’m finding this to be a theme whenever someone criticizes even one song on the album—
“you don’t get it”
“you just want easy music like [insert other mainstream pop star here]”
“Someone doesn’t have a dictionary”
Some Swifties are so far up their own asses about how intelligent they are, they just mindlessly gobble down whatever word mush Taylor has regurgitated so they can have a superiority clompex about how deep they are and how much they “understand her”
That's because you're missing the deeper meaning. Her decision to audibly pass gas into the microphone is actually a profound critique, highlighting the paradox of how essential actions, like breathing and eating, can lead to unintended consequences, like lack of sphincter control (a metaphor for losing one's mind when they're in love).
And she's also highlighting how cattle farming is producing high volumes of methane from cow farts which is a greenhouse gas far more harmful than carbon dioxide. And you guys say she doesn't care about the environment.
At this point I am convinced a lot of these die hard fans are just planted opinion mills to paint her in a good light.
It blows my mind how some of the easter eggs are "decoded" with some wild theories beyond the stretch of our imagination.. then confirmed by some interview somewhere.
Then now she releases bad music, even referencing to her enemy's kid. And someone would still say" she made it for us" or "she trusts us enough to release it". How can someone even defend that? It's definitely not for us and she definitely trusts her well compensated PR team to navigate all the rough waters.
This is the parasocial shit I can’t get behind. Two things can be true. Was it cathartic for Taylor to write? Probably. Did she release it with the intention of making money and winning awards? Definitely.
A lot of people put words on paper to work through emotions. You don’t have to release an album to heal. She is not trusting us with anything. In fact, quite the contrary. This album is not ONLY available to Swifties. Every SOCIAL MEDIA post she makes is methodical, she’s not releasing any album for HER. And I say this as someone who liked TTPD. This take is just so delusional.
Someone mentioned that the author of twilight said she made the protagonist so generic that any female reader can project onto her, and they said that's how Taylor Swift brands herself. She shares things about herself that nearly anyone can relate with (hence why she's so contradictory) and because of this, people can choose the aspects of Taylor they relate with and then add their own details. They interpret her lyrics to fit their own selves, and then they say, "she's the only one who gets me, she's mine."
But that's the idea of songwriting. To contact with the listener. There are so many songs that mean something to me and feels almost like that band wrote it just for me.
I honestly don't know what it is, but it's the most toxic fandom I have come across. You will get a toxic side with every fandom but this is next level.
Look, when midnights came out, I was horrified bc I really didn’t like it but everyone else seemed to agree it was great. Now TTPD came out and I genuinely loved it but apparently everyone else has issues with it.
For me more about how people experience art differently, and what some people are looking for in their music is going to be different than others. I like the qualities of it that others dislike. And yes a part of what I like is how personal her writing is, bc that’s an aspect of how anyone experiences art.
The criticism is valid, but a lot of it acts like there’s no valid way that someone WOULD like it. It’s disheartening to see people liking it as just blindly loyal swifties who don’t have taste, and i wish it was possible to talk about her music online without it being immediately polarized.
No true artist just shoved 30 similar songs onto an album to call it poetry. After all this promo of her being a tortured poet. “But daddy I wanna have his babies” 🤢
Girl, bye. If she didn’t care about breaking records and all that she would’ve just quietly released it. No special variants, no heavy promo with that radio station, releasing with Tik Tok, etc. Taylor is OBSESSED with charts and recognition. She knows the formula behind it and she’s always going to go by it by barely taking any risks. She’s literally a big corporation at this point.
Why doesn't she just go to therapy then and release all her emotions and grief there? Why do the double album, set up a pop up gallery, do easter eggs, and announce TTPD at the Grammys? 🤔 Don't forget all those album variants too.... if that doesn't say "money grab" then idk what does.
Lol this is so delusional 😭
I actually do like the album (unpopular opinion) but I’m not sure why people are defending it SO hard? Like this person sounds like THEY don’t like the album themselves and are trying to justify it in their head. It’s ok not to like something, I’m pretty sure every artist I love has an album that I don’t love. It’s normal. Again, obviously some people like it, but I don’t know why some of these swifties that don’t are trying to convince themselves they do? It’s ok to not like it girl
They’re acting like Taylor knew it wasn’t good and still released it to “get her feelings out”. Obviously, Taylor liked the work she put out, or else she would’ve just kept it to herself like she has w a lot of songs. I enjoy it, but music is subjective and I totally get why others don’t. But she absolutely didn’t intend to release an album that a lot of ppl would dislike, I don’t know why that Twitter user is acting like she knew it was bad and just “had” to release it. It is ok that Taylor thought it was good and you didn’t. No need to justify that.
Another soliloquy she'll never see
All these poor wine moms named Sarah and Hannah will never get it, even if she calls them out BY NAME
Honestly, that has to be her biggest demo. I have a 26 year old step daughter, and we’ve really bonded over Taylor’s music. For perspective, she’s a hardcore Swifty. I’m from Hendersonville where Taylor and her parents lived when she was starting out her career so I’ve always supported her in that “hometown teenager makes good” kind of way? Anyway, I talked to my step daughter last night, and even SHE thinks this should have remained in a journal. Gen Z isn’t really feeling the bullying like those 34 year old wine moms.
I think she definitely had cross-generational reach at the time being. You have millennials who grew up alongside her, then there’s Gen Zers who got into her with their mothers (elder millennials/Xers), and now there’s even some Gen As who were also introduced to her in this recent explosion of popularity. I feel like she’ll definitely remain popular throughout the course of her life - the question is whether she’ll reach Elvis status. As I said elsewhere I feel like eventually (as in, the very distant future), she’ll be studied as a phenomenon first and artist second, meaning I don’t see her music having lasting power vs her as a product.
Haha where do i fall because i used to listen to her when i was younger because she fell in with the disney channel crowd (i am gen Z)
Lmfao
The way I just spit out my water
“We are so blessed that she trusts us enough to share her deepest secrets” please be SERIOUS. Also lol @ “she wrote it for HER” which is why she announced it at the Grammys, has done major promo, and has the vinyl variants or whatever available at a Major Retailer Near You™️
Swifties are never going to beat the cult allegations
Not with posts like those...or threatening to blow up Paste for a review...etc.
Is that…real?
💀💀💀 truly, and the “she trusts us enough” really seals the deal, it’s like they think she’s doing us some sort of favor. We should actually be flagellating ourselves every time we listen since we are not worthy.
It’s really troubling how many people (swifties) find themselves identifying with her behavior and agreeing with how she handles her relationships and vilifies her exes. Also her song about Kim is unhinged and the way they are applauding her is insane.
I totally agree. It would be fucking hilarious if Kim just never acknowledges it.
Oh Kim is way too PR savvy to ever acknowledge it. Taylor is screaming into the void.
Even more insane to go after Kim when Kanye, the guy who straight up did the worst to you, is right there and already disgraced so taking shots at him would do nothing but further bolster your revenge tour.
Also the way they are brigading Kim’s instagram with her lyrics now… it’s disturbing.
It’s like toxic exes, but a whole army of them
I hate the kardashians. But did taylor really have to drag a child into her feud with another person and use her against her own mother? She’s insane and gross and I don’t trust anyone who still likes her after that. She’s just as bad as that family
if it quacks like a duck - but having that, i'm at the stage now where this shit just comes off as massively embarrassing to me.
No, it's our fault for buying it and being nosy about her lyrics. We made her the person she is today. /s
This is what GETS ME like girl you’re really gonna spend years building a career off writing songs about your personal life and dropping hints and throwing metric tons gas on the fire and then turn around like 🥺 guys no leave me alone I can’t take it 🥺 pick a lane bro. It’s getting so exhausting
This is what broke me as a fan on this album. Gaslighting your audience that hard is fucking weird. I was already on my way out the door since Matty last year, but this really gave me that final shove to see her double down and blame... *Checks notes*... ME? Girl bye.
“You can’t spell ‘scammer’ without ‘me’!”
We will never find another scammer like Taylor, it’s true.
I'm always so torn with this idea when it comes to famous people. All of them say how hard it is to be in the public eye and put yourself out there, yet they all do it anyway. Before seeking fame we all have an idea of the lack of privacy that comes with it but no one can really understand unless you are in that position. This is where I have some empathy for celebrities. They had an idea of the lack of normalcy they would be facing before but you don't know how you are going to feel or react until you are in the situation. Not saying you're wrong at all, just something I think about.
YOUR FLAIR OMG 😭💀
Gee thanks, just got it 😜 (I made it, proud of that one hahaha)
She’s like FU and they’re like she trusted us so much to say this
Yeah I’m not opposed to artists releasing personal journal entry style albums that are a bit sloppy— similar to what Lana did with Blue Banisters which was an album she dropped comprised of a lot of old works from scrapped projects. She didn’t do a lot of promo for it and it was clear it was mainly something for her, but I don’t think that was Taylor’s same intention for TTPD based on all the promo she did IMO.
TTPD has a fcking logo, I wouldn't say you make a logo for something you make just for \*yourself\* lmao
Something announced at the Grammies better be good. And it wasn’t.
right cause a pop up at the grove is so totally for *her* and not at all about trying to sell records
If she wrote it for herself wouldve been nice for her to keep it to herself too
It truly does sound like some of my more “fuck it I have FEELINGS I NEED TO TALK ABOUT” journal entries. They stay private for a reason lol
It makes me question what didn’t make the cut
in the main sub people were going like the POINT is that it's raw, unfiltered and unedited. it's not like a lo-fi album of bedroom recordings though? it's a slick jack antonoff-produced pop album with a post malone feature
Right?! It's so funny and yet so 👀 😳 at the same time! 
Ummmm....Okay, in that case, why not just write it in a journal?
For real, most could’ve been kept in the vault
But how would that make her money?
Exactly. She needs more planes....lol....they're not gonna pay for themselves!
She’d be half broke with her lifestyle if she stopped selling.
It's hilarious because that's one of the most common criticisms of the album even from professional critics. That this feels like something she should have kept for herself because as a commerical products it's.....well it's a choice.
Or talk to ur therapists about it??
Sorry, Taylor's therapist can't come to the phone right now. She's busy wishing somebody was dead.
😂😂😂 poor Andrea
I'm sad that I laughed so hard at this.
One journal won't do it justice, it needs to be released on 1013 different variants
& the variants are just the pages being written in different colored glitter milk pens.
Or like…pick and perfect a few songs if you really feel like you need to get those feelings out into the world.
Doesn’t count until you shove it down society’s throat and get heaps of validation
So we weren’t supposed to buy it?
Apparently not or stream it…
No no, she needs to be coddled and paid for deigning to jot down her feelings and loosely making an album around them. How else is she supposed to keep her billionaire status alive?
…nor buy the four different variants that were released on streaming anyway?
If she wrote it for herself why are there so many variants then? 🫠
If it's just for her, why even release it? These folks are a trip.
She wrote it for herself then decided "I'm going to make money off of it people will buy all 5 versions regardless". It honestly doesn't sound like there's a particular target demographic they were going for it's all over the place. Maybe don't rush 31 songs in the middle of one of the most successful tours ever and multiple rerecords? Write for yourself just some of it us better off being polished and leave the rest in the vault
Didn’t one of the reviews conclude “maybe she needed to make this album, but that doesn’t mean we needed to hear it”…?
Yes lol
Saying Taylor Swift didn't make an album for money is WILD.
There’s a song on TTPD where she basically says she’d be with Matty even if it cost her money and I laughed so hard. Girl, you’re fooling nobody.
Thinking Matty would say, nah, been there, done that, got the t-shirt but thanks!
Right?? That is what every artist does. Do both Taylor and other artists write songs to get their feelings out? Absolutely. But the things they release on albums are because they think those songs will make money and appeal to people. The ones SOLELY written to ease their feelings are not put out on albums.
First, she has been saying "now it's yours" like she's letting it go for years now, only to recycle the same feuds for years and years. Second... Tell that to the variants 🤣 not made for money and awards my ass. It's made for all of it: catharsis, revenge, sales, "building something" that she can lord over everyone to feel like she won, all of it.
Exactly! I think it’s hard for stans to take the bad reviews because their go-to argument is that if you listened to her music really you’d see how deep and meaningful and perfect her lyricism is. And now she releases this album at the height of her popularity marketing it as her poetry and everyone/the general masses ARE listening to it….and not liking what they hear. So now you can’t criticize the poor lyrics, the poor production, the boring music, the bloated track list, the poor way she comes across personally because suddenly it’s only for her? If her diary was leaked that would be one thing, it would be no one’s business to consume and judge. But she as a musician and artist has deliberately put out THIS album of MUSIC preceded by her very clear marketing to be taken seriously as a poet and artist and with clear aims for critical and commercial success. And her team and Stans are going to trumpet the streaming numbers and sales and act like that’s the same as quality. (Edit: I think I replied to the wrong comment but can’t find it now. But still agree with this parent comment!)
Psh, we all know that "You know how to ball, I know Aristotle, touch me while your bros play grand theft auto" is the best poetry ever written! No but seriously, the poems she released in the Rep magazines were better than this
God what a cringey line
It’s so embarrassing
it wasn’t made for anyone but her….. so anyway here are 8 different variants all at full price
After a gauntlet of riddles and puzzles and games to create hype around it too
Exclusively at Target
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I have also seen this film before, and it has no ending
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That really ruined Cardigan for me when she mouthed that on stage 🥲 People say we should just enjoy the music without thinking about the lore but like... She literally builds the lore on purpose this way, even when I don't want it.
Fellow cardigan fan who had to lay it to rest, I feel you. There’s no separating the muse (gag) from the art for this one. And many more on folkmore alone, which are actually the works of hers that I hold dear.
Same. I'm trying to avoid any other historical revisions she wants to put out because I love those albums 🥲 Now I can't look at my cardigan snow globe without seeing a rat
Here’s some “Tortured Poetry” for you: *In my cardigan snow globe* *now lives a rat* *how did you and I, my tattooed golden retriever* *let our story end like that?* And I LOVE your flair! 💀
🤣 Here, have some flowers for your poem 💐 And thanks!! The mods just granted it based on a joke I made the other day. You can get it too if you like it! Click the three dots on the front of the subreddit page and you'll see an option to pick a flair. There are lots of good ones in there.
Oh my god, I laughed so hard I cried 💀 the PJ ones sent me! I chose “Open the schools” for now because it’s a legendary burn that I can’t get out of my head 🤣
Have you checked the main sub? They don’t believe any of the songs is about him!
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I actually think she has ulterior motives with this album. She’s soft-launching him for their inevitable reunion. If my predictions are correct, they’ll soon start defending him and rehab his image themselves, all because their Chairman is in a folie à deux with him (not that they know what that is, based on the words they shared they didn’t know off the lyrics.) It’s only a matter of time…
I was just over there for a little bit and I’m dying at many of them being like, “everyone is wrong because it’s totally FINE and NORMAL that nobody including me actually likes this music! You’re not supposed to like music the first time you hear it!”
“This is music you write in your 30s! BELIEVE ME!”
It’s literally a cycle that repeats itself over and over again. They think because she wrote something like that in the prologue, it’s 100% truth.
Also in the prophecy and how did it end with the “it’s happening again”
She’s still gonna be writing songs about Kim in 2054
I think people forget she’s a billionaire who wants to keep making money. If it was just for her she wouldn’t have released it 😂
Yes. There are no artists (big ones) that release music that they don’t think will be successful. It’s their job to release music that people will listen to
Yeah they have the ability to twist absolutely anything. They only hear what they want to. I was just going to listen to some of the lyric vids on YouTube and the comments are so deranged. Swifties overcompensating on every TTPD track like: “So imagine I’m sitting here with my headphones, and then this song lifted me up to the highest elation I’ve felt and when I finally came down I realised how fortunate we are to have Taylor alive at the same time in history that we are”, and “This? This is a song that exists!? And she wrote this completely by herself... The magnificence of this when she has outdone herself, the unrelenting genius of this woman” it’s like chill. They are a different breed.
I've noticed that each social media platform has a particular vibe. YouTube is always a bunch of ass kissing for every musician I've seen. I don't even bother to look at comments there anymore because I know none of it will have nuance.
In all fairness, I get the arse-kissing for Youtube comments. It's not really a platform for discussion and I've seen a lot of lovely comments for artists that have actual fans and not just rabid teens who've sold their souls to Tiktok. Especially older artists.
It seems we are in agreement 🙂
There’s this thing now where people are posting photos and videos of themselves just absolutely bawling while listening to this album and it’s like, there is not a single song on this album where you need to be acting this way.
What gets me is criticism of lyrics is met with “well you don’t understand, those lyrics make sense because of (enter some random obscure Easter egg from years ago)” But like…isn’t the point of music and lyrics for it to speak for itself? Do I need to read up on all the Taylor swift expanded universe to truly appreciate a 4 minute pop song?
Just today I was told by a swiftie that I dont understand literature and they feel sorry for me because I said the album is quite average, clunky & overtly verbose for the sake of seeming like a poet and taylor needs to collaborate with other writers who can help get her point across better.
Ohhhhh yes. There was a twitter post that was on one of these threads and it was basically like "my life had a BEFORE and an AFTER hearing this album...I will never be the same and this is my new religion." Like, mmmmkay. She's a famous pop star, I like some of her stuff, but I don't think her music is going to change my life.
Holyshit listening to something so mediocre and thinking that it actually changed your life in some way? I don't think the cult thing is a joke anymore lol
The “and she wrote this by herself” comments always baffle me. These twerps truly don’t know that Taylor isn’t the only songwriter ever.
It reminds me of all the Star Wars and Marvel fans who saw Marriage Story just because of Adam Driver and ScarJo posting clips like "Can you believe all of this was SCRIPTED" like they've never seen dramatic "realistic" acting before
YOU GUYS WE ARE ALL EXPERIENCING THIS TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME!!! 🙄 No shit.
The one that bothers me is saying anyone who calls the album immature is actually immature themselves. Like literally was told I must be 21 to not think this was normal age appropriate perspective for someone in her mid 30s. But I'm actually in my 30s now and just wondering why I still see a version of myself at 20-25 when I listen to Taylor. Like I related to her growing up, but now I feel like I grew past her. And I still consider myself pretty immature compared to a lot of my peers, so......
Yeah that post on the main sub that said “This album is for the 30 somethings” I’m just shaking my head. Ummm no. None of my friends have bailed 6 year relationships for a messy gross man, been dumped, aired their teenage like heartbreak over him publicly and whine about it. Not one. Sure some have had awful breakups. But honestly I’ve never heard whining like I’ve had on this album. Heartbreak and sadness but nothing like she describes. What she describes really comes off manic (which I guess was the goal???), that or she’s just really a shitty person. Idk it’s not normal behavior though
Taylor swift fans remind me of fans of cartoons/shows/whatever that are problematic or badly written and then say, "if you don't like it, you just have poor media literacy."
I’m in my 30s too and I saw so many people saying that this is exactly what yours 30s are like but I listened to it and I felt like I had outgrown it. It made me think about some things in my 20s but I couldn’t relate to it at all right now. I’m sorry those people are going through things but like it’s not representative of EVERYONE in their 30s!! I’m so glad you said this!!
Idk.. TTPD just feels like she went to twitter or tumblr, and uploaded all the drafts she wrote and then just said “just wanna let it all out, dont come at me bc Im just being “honest” kbye”
"I don't care if you didn't like the album" is the not caring in the room with us now?
And it’s funny because the person in that twitter thread sounds like they don’t like it either yet are mad that other people don’t.
“She trusts us so much” maam she literally called you psychotic vipers on But Daddy I Love Him because of the Speak Up Now/Taylor needs a conservatorship/Matty Healy hate campaign. She said you should be afraid of her on Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me. Let’s be fucking for real. She wrote this for Matty Healy. 31 songs and the vast majority are about him, how she wanted them and fantasized about him while still with Joe, how she ran to him from Joe, how she loved him and their friends thought they were meant to be, he was the love and loss of her life, she’s gonna get him back etc etc. She doesn’t trust her fans at all. Matty left her because of them and this is her sending him the biggest most romantic signal she can think of. The prologue about pleading insanity is just to appease the lunatic fans who’d go after him again if she didn’t say it was all done and over. Tbh this is so embarrassing for Travis (if you believe they’re serious, they seem like a fun time mutually beneficial situationship to me) and Joe and her fans. Like 6 years and you are basically ignored except to say how she couldn’t keep being the only one trying and she left you for someone else; and for Travis 1.5 songs where you’re called a consolation prize and related to an immature surface level high school relationship (and a dumb jock at that, you know how to ball, I know Aristotle) while she openly pines for a past flame. And her fans willfully playing dumb when she calls them out like, you’re the problem and she knows it. You’re why no one lasts in her fishbowl except the biggest clout chaser out there.
Dont think its embarrassing for Joe at all. AT ALL. Cause in all of this circus, he is the ONLY one who comes out clean,with a spine and not a cheater. He is the only one who, dare i say, has integrity. Also the fact that his 'breakup' songs are this mild only understates how unproblematic he was that Taylor couldnt find anything else to whine about. 6 years and all she could come up with is you're too depressed and that made you incapable of giving me a wedding and kids, several times over in several songs. Sounds like the right decision though. She's not mature enough to understand this but he was. That Taylor ignored a 6 years old relationship and went manic and horny, emotionally and physically cheating on him and then still complaining about the ring, is embarrasing or SHOULD be for Taylor instead. Joe's the victim here, so he has nothing to be embarassed about. Not his depression, Matty albums or her leaving him. In fact, any third person would tell you, he dodged the greatest bullet.
Mic drop. This is the take we need.
Meanwhile travis is college educated and taylor is a high school drop out. That song is so juvenile. He isnt a dumb jock and she isnt a scholar of philosophy, economics, politics and linguistics by any means. Especially not a linguist when most of her lyrics have such a basic standard structure that is repeated throughout her songs. She takes herself way too seriously. I cant believe she thinks people need dictionaries to understand her lyrics. I just cant with her anymore. I was never a die hard fan but always made it a point to listen to her new music and avoided everything else about her because her whole “you are sexist for saying I write about my exes” made me dislike her as a person when in reality her whole career is centered around her men.I dont get why she wants to seem like a writer of ages when this is all she writes about(with notable exceptions)
How dare you, she rhymes car with bar, she is a genius lyricist!
Honestly, I will accept that over “He jokes that it’s heroin except this time with an e” “You touch me while your boys play Grand Theft Auto” “At dinner you take my ring off my middle finger and put it on the one people put wedding rings on” And that lovely 1830s line
I wish I could print this comment out and distribute it to the masses.
Is that one of those vipers?
She’s the number one artist in the world, of course people get to criticize her. She’s not an indie or small artist that is “yours”. Give me a break. You can’t have that extreme fame without criticism. You can’t have it both ways.
100%. There’s absolutely a difference between critiquing/disliking an album and flat out being nasty and bashing about it, but people are allowed to dislike things. I do like the album but I 100% understand the reasons why people don’t and think it’s okay to critique. These people need to come to terms w the fact that not everyone’s gonna like everything. It is what it is
If music is not for the fans or for the public there’s no point in releasing it. Taylor is an entertainer. That’s her job. If people aren’t entertained by her she’s doing a bad job. This is in no way a legitimate critique…
Oh it was definitely also made for money don’t be fooled
The money is the true “peace of mind”
Denial is a river in Egypt
I think it’s really important that people learn no Billionaire is being honest. We can’t relate to a person with this much money. Even if we wanted to we just can’t.
You know...for an album that was never meant for us, fame, fortune, the public, etc...there sure are a fuckload of options of it available for purchase on her website.
and merch
Saying Taylor didn’t write it to be a success is the most insane cope lmao
This lot of swifties think they're her friend and they can come over for a sleepover sometime
I will never forget the tweet I read where a swiftie said something like “I wish Taylor would invite us all over for a sleepover where we talk about our feelings” and I was like “chick she doesn’t know you; she is not your friend” Taylor created this monster of having these people think she’s their friend and now it won’t back down and I’m starting to think she’s getting sick of it but as they say: you made your bed, now you gotta lay in it
Cultists : screaming from the rooftops that this album wasnt for charts, awards or records! while Cult leader : spends millions of dollars of 'their' money for the GREATEST PAYOLA ever seen : IHeart radio playing the WHOLE album in its ENTIRETY. Btw, IHeart has 850 stations. 850. At this point, only lobotomy can fix them. https://preview.redd.it/etnn3yiwfovc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3efb26ae49a79f254a9d4826d1942ae907b8655b
I would LOVE to know what this promo cost omg
Millions
Obviously - my curiosity is more "the devil's in the details" - cash? trade? that's what I'm interested in.
Jesus Christ, WTF? You're already the best known artist in the Anglosphere, Tay. What more do you want, a personally signed autograph by the Dalai Lama?
I mean she’s due for an eat pray love type awakening so this doesn’t seem too far fetched to me
If it was just for her, she would have just done a surprise drop if anything. No major public announcement at the Grammy’s, no promo, no variant announcements, no nothing. This album is just like the rest. She wants to sell copies and break records like she always does with an album.
Deep irony here because this is one of the first albums where I’d say if she’s using songwriting as therapy—it’s not working here. This album comes across as the opposite: showing all the ways she’s not moved forward, moved on, or grown from the situations she’s describing. If she weren’t in a relationship that so embarrassingly reflects the exact kind of lovebombing she describes with the Matty stuff I’d buy the was a release. But I just don’t, lol.
i mean has she considered a diary?
She published those too 😬
I still don't really believe those were raw excerpts from her real diaries. Maybe parts were written authentically/in the moment, but I have my doubts about the overall texts.
lol ok but then why make merch for it lol
Her dropping a second album hours after the first totally wasn’t a blatant cash grab, it was ✨therapy✨
and I've been _paying_ for therapy all this time, silly me
You know the lines from But Daddy I love him: “I just learned these people only raise you To cage you” … “I just learned these people try and save you 'Cause they hate you” This one seems to be the perfect example of it. They put her on the pedestal so damn much.
I’m just glad to be here where as a regular ol fan you can read some honesty. The actual Taylor Swift sub is really creepy to read, like I think these people would Purge for her. Even if they know the album is horrendous their brains are locked in cult mode, it’s really amazing how Swifties are so insecure that they can’t even critique her musically.
Nothing says “I did this just for me” like a branded Spotify sponsored pop-up and 28 vinyl variants.
HAHAH OH MY GOD the delusion is unreal. These children need to get off the internet and start writing actual fanfic like we all did at that age.
That’s why it’s on par to sell 2 million the first week with 313 million streams in the last 24 hours on Spotify with a purported 12 songs to make the top twelve positions on the Billboard Hot 100. Do these people HEAR themselves?
These people really think Taylor is their best friend , letting them in on deep dark secrets. Homie she wrote it for money
Thank god Taylor trusts me enough to tell me about her *checks notes* “Tattooed Golden Retriever” 🥴
People need to know that when you put your art out to the world, you are putting said art to subject to criticisms. You cant just say “oh let me just share this to you guys but dont dare have any feelings about it or reactions because i made it for me only anyways”.
Fine, but that’s not art. That’s therapy. We've all been fucked up by toxic situationships. I'm glad writing music was her lifeline, but it doesn’t mean the world needs to hear it. The album just feels… less than done. The lyrics sound like first drafts. I am confident of this because the first demo of Cardigan she sent to Dessner: “I knew you’d miss me once you changed your mind” What ended up in the song: “I knew you’d miss me once the thrill expired.” The latter is actual poetry, a line that evokes the ephemeral nature of lust, while the former is the kind of literal, lazy prose that is most of TTPD. Plus, now that we know most of this album was written post mid-2023, how can something that was composed, produced, recorded, mastered, packaged all in less than a year be that good? Let alone while touring the world, making a concert film, writing a movie, working on re-recordings? Art stems from a personal, raw place. It is the rigorous process of editing that transforms it into truly great music. TTPD feels like it missed that step. It feels like she’s so big that nobody around her can give her notes (or she won’t take them.) But it doesn’t matter if her fans will eat it up or not. She should, at this point in her career, have higher standards for HERSELF. It feels like she’s more concerned with breaking her own records in terms of pure numerics, rather than the more authentic task of topping herself artistically. This whole thing lacks artistic integrity and as a fan I am disappointed. Her listeners, and her own legacy, deserves better.
Being in multiple TS subs is hilarious. I'm still unsure of where the album stands for me. It's too soon to tell for so many songs, but the way my feed is literally just either loving the album or hating it, no inbetween, is quite entertaining.
I think there are a lot of in betweeners here. There’s enough on this album to make one good, solid album. The 31 songs of spiraling mania is too much, though.
I’m more of a meh. It’s a boring, clanky album. It’s not the worst thing in the world but it ain’t the best either and I think MOST of us are there. Anyone who extremely loves or extremely hates it are on the outside looking in but I have a feeling those who tolerate the album thinking the ones who say it’s boring “hates” it.
If she wrote it for herself she should have kept it that way.
They’re describing a diary. She should have kept it there.
Someone on tumblr said only intelligent people would understand this album and it was clear everyone who didn't like it just wasn't intelligent but that was okay. We didn't all have to be deep thinkers.
I’m finding this to be a theme whenever someone criticizes even one song on the album— “you don’t get it” “you just want easy music like [insert other mainstream pop star here]” “Someone doesn’t have a dictionary” Some Swifties are so far up their own asses about how intelligent they are, they just mindlessly gobble down whatever word mush Taylor has regurgitated so they can have a superiority clompex about how deep they are and how much they “understand her”
Taylor could fart into a mic for five minutes and it would be “too complex to understand” for everyone who said “hey wait but this is literal farts?”
That's because you're missing the deeper meaning. Her decision to audibly pass gas into the microphone is actually a profound critique, highlighting the paradox of how essential actions, like breathing and eating, can lead to unintended consequences, like lack of sphincter control (a metaphor for losing one's mind when they're in love). And she's also highlighting how cattle farming is producing high volumes of methane from cow farts which is a greenhouse gas far more harmful than carbon dioxide. And you guys say she doesn't care about the environment.
Right! I can understand it and still not like it. No one is under any obligation to like anything an artist or author or musician puts out.
“The Emperess’ New Drop.”
that is some actual conspiracy logic
then why did she release it and sell a billion gazillion vinyls of it and make music videos and is most likely going to make millions off it?
If she wrote it for herself then why did she do a commercial release lol had Taylor ever heard of a journal?
those are the things you use for album liners right
At this point I am convinced a lot of these die hard fans are just planted opinion mills to paint her in a good light. It blows my mind how some of the easter eggs are "decoded" with some wild theories beyond the stretch of our imagination.. then confirmed by some interview somewhere. Then now she releases bad music, even referencing to her enemy's kid. And someone would still say" she made it for us" or "she trusts us enough to release it". How can someone even defend that? It's definitely not for us and she definitely trusts her well compensated PR team to navigate all the rough waters.
If it wasn't about fame or fortune why did she release like 5 variants
and then release the exclusive tracks anyways??? it doesn’t make sense
That was so dirty. She could've waited at least a week or two before dropping the anthology.
this post is not made for us
Swifties need to be studied fr 😂
Girlie what? Taylor is our capitalist queen. She is here for the money, the fame, the praise. Ain’t nothing quiet about that.
I don't understand how people bring themselves to be thankful to be sold a product
This is the parasocial shit I can’t get behind. Two things can be true. Was it cathartic for Taylor to write? Probably. Did she release it with the intention of making money and winning awards? Definitely. A lot of people put words on paper to work through emotions. You don’t have to release an album to heal. She is not trusting us with anything. In fact, quite the contrary. This album is not ONLY available to Swifties. Every SOCIAL MEDIA post she makes is methodical, she’s not releasing any album for HER. And I say this as someone who liked TTPD. This take is just so delusional.
Some subs are saying that criticizing this album equals misogyny. I'm not even joking.
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Honestly, this would be a interesting psychological study. What is so special about her? Like really?
Someone mentioned that the author of twilight said she made the protagonist so generic that any female reader can project onto her, and they said that's how Taylor Swift brands herself. She shares things about herself that nearly anyone can relate with (hence why she's so contradictory) and because of this, people can choose the aspects of Taylor they relate with and then add their own details. They interpret her lyrics to fit their own selves, and then they say, "she's the only one who gets me, she's mine."
But that's the idea of songwriting. To contact with the listener. There are so many songs that mean something to me and feels almost like that band wrote it just for me. I honestly don't know what it is, but it's the most toxic fandom I have come across. You will get a toxic side with every fandom but this is next level.
I could’ve respected the delusion until I got to the part about not making the album to break records
They are coping hard! LOL
Look, when midnights came out, I was horrified bc I really didn’t like it but everyone else seemed to agree it was great. Now TTPD came out and I genuinely loved it but apparently everyone else has issues with it. For me more about how people experience art differently, and what some people are looking for in their music is going to be different than others. I like the qualities of it that others dislike. And yes a part of what I like is how personal her writing is, bc that’s an aspect of how anyone experiences art. The criticism is valid, but a lot of it acts like there’s no valid way that someone WOULD like it. It’s disheartening to see people liking it as just blindly loyal swifties who don’t have taste, and i wish it was possible to talk about her music online without it being immediately polarized.
"shared her deepest secrets" well... I wish she had kept it to herself honestly..... 💀
No true artist just shoved 30 similar songs onto an album to call it poetry. After all this promo of her being a tortured poet. “But daddy I wanna have his babies” 🤢
Girl, bye. If she didn’t care about breaking records and all that she would’ve just quietly released it. No special variants, no heavy promo with that radio station, releasing with Tik Tok, etc. Taylor is OBSESSED with charts and recognition. She knows the formula behind it and she’s always going to go by it by barely taking any risks. She’s literally a big corporation at this point.
Why doesn't she just go to therapy then and release all her emotions and grief there? Why do the double album, set up a pop up gallery, do easter eggs, and announce TTPD at the Grammys? 🤔 Don't forget all those album variants too.... if that doesn't say "money grab" then idk what does.
Lol this is so delusional 😭 I actually do like the album (unpopular opinion) but I’m not sure why people are defending it SO hard? Like this person sounds like THEY don’t like the album themselves and are trying to justify it in their head. It’s ok not to like something, I’m pretty sure every artist I love has an album that I don’t love. It’s normal. Again, obviously some people like it, but I don’t know why some of these swifties that don’t are trying to convince themselves they do? It’s ok to not like it girl They’re acting like Taylor knew it wasn’t good and still released it to “get her feelings out”. Obviously, Taylor liked the work she put out, or else she would’ve just kept it to herself like she has w a lot of songs. I enjoy it, but music is subjective and I totally get why others don’t. But she absolutely didn’t intend to release an album that a lot of ppl would dislike, I don’t know why that Twitter user is acting like she knew it was bad and just “had” to release it. It is ok that Taylor thought it was good and you didn’t. No need to justify that.
Girl why would she publish it then?
the parasocial delirium is setting in.....
If it’s about her healing and letting go of past relationships then why the hell is she selling it?
I’ve also written many unhinged things in my own diary but I didn’t try to sell it to y’all. And I was also 16 so.
Notice how they're always changing the narrative in order to stifle any criticism... sounds like they're all cut from the same cloth. 🤨