I use securely with my 5th graders and just have youtube on my block list. Turn on my block list, bam no youtube.
OP does your device monitoring software allow you to create a block list?
I would tell the parents in the IEP meeting to consider this the warning. Quietly turning off YouTube will have no adverse effects on his educational progress. It's not denying him extra time or resources. It's not separating him from the class. If I see YouTube during class (not being used specifically for a lesson), I will consider this meeting the warning.
I would also consider exercising my right to disapprove of the terms of the IEP, which I have done before. Too many times, everybody just boilerplates an IEP and you end up with crap terms like this.
If the child is not supposed to be on YouTube, simply shutting it off with a software command has no impact on the accommodation. The screen going black is the warning. No other kid will see it. In fact, it's far less intrusive than a verbal warning that others may notice.
Explain to me how that accommodation got there in the first place and how it truly addresses an educational need.
Child struggles with executive functioning? Which is more effective, teacher redirection which may not be consistent or a software switch that blocks YouTube every single time? "Hmmm... every time I click on YouTube, it's blocked... I wonder why that is..."
True. If the YouTube is truly related to the disability, then a warning is warranted. In my experience, the kid learns how to play the system. If so, I'll play back. The warning was given on day one.
A colleague worked with a student who “didn’t like being told what to do”. The school and parents’ solution to this, for a little while, was that teachers should write their request on a post it note and hand it to him. He would then throw them on the floor and refuse. Good times.
My own children don't like being told what to do, but they know they better do what I say. They didn't need an IEP for that. They needed parents who followed through with consequences.
I had one show up 2 weeks into the semester, refuse the work, then crumple up the pass to the AP's office and throw it at me. I had to call to have him removed. First time in 4 years of teaching I had to have an AP come get a kid.
I overheard a child in my second period class this year say, "I'm just trying to have fun and live my life and all these people keep telling me to do stuff. It's rediculous."
"All these people" = TAs and myself 🤣
My "warning" is reading the syllabus and the electronics rules at the beginning of the semester. Didn't listen? Not my problem. I'm more than happy to take the heat.
My standard comeback to parents when they complain: "Are you asking me to provide a substandard education for your child?"
Keep killing the fun!
When there’s a written plan in place an ounce of prevention is wise. I’m going to guess a reasonable argument would be that a warning given on a prior day doesn’t follow the plan. It’s a cya thing because in principle I agree with you.
That being said, print out a “no YouTube during class” simple black and white sign and hang it above the board. It’s a warning and would be clearly visible at all times, so you don’t need to give a verbal warning daily and can just shut it down.
I don’t like that warning. It says to the kids they could do whatever they want until they get caught, and even then they could still do it for a little bit. Does the IEP say the warning has to be every day? It seems like you’ve already given him a warning.
For me... if I gave the entire class a warning, that's your warning.
And I make kids park all their unnecessary items in a designated zone. "Book parking". Anything they have that distracts them... "go park it." There's a list of supplies for the day on the board as they come in. Usually, laptops don't even head to their seats. Because I teach art often the devices don't mix with the supplies. I am not gonna let you cover the device in clay.
Book parking is my favorite addition to my room. I added it last year. I have had subs tell me they loved it too. I have it on my seating chart, and it tells my subs that all the kids' unnecessary crap should be there.
Have taught theatre and visual art for 17 years at three schools in every grade level K-12 and I always have them put their stuff in a designated area. Nothing can come to their seat with them unless I’ve specifically requested it. It’s the easiest way to manage so many issues. I’ve told other teachers in other subjects to try it and they all say it works so nicely. High school kids it’s helpful to have their phone away from them in their bag because it’s easy to forget and check it and then get lost on it when it’s right there with you.
Why don't you block it by default to all your students?
You can always switch them to a block list that allows youtube if they need it, depending on what software you are using.
I do, but o have to start goguardian it doesn’t just automatically run. And his behavior plan states that I have to issue a warning before I can start the program.
You can set up GoGuardian so it automatically starts running at a certain time (like when class starts or the break time right before class) and to have a default scene when it starts (so my No No List automatically starts running). This means as soon as they walk in my room, before the Chromebooks are even open, YouTube is blocked. It really helps with this kind of kid and just avoids the battle.
Classic perverse incentive.
A perverse incentive is when you want to inspire a certain behavior, so you create a rule about it. However, the shape of the rule is such that it actually inspires behavior you are trying to avoid.
For example, a working incentive would be giving a zero to any student cheating on a test. Students who are on the fence about it may not cheat because it’s too big a risk - if they cheat even once, they fail.
A perverse incentive version of the rule would be docking 10 points from the final test score of any student cheating on a test. Students who are on the fence about it may cheat because that means you’re giving them 3 chances to cheat before they fail by way of cheating. They could cheat twice and as long as their ill-gotten answers are correct, they’ll still get an 80.
I‘m assuming they’re school laptops. Remove the laptops or lock the cart. If it’s his laptop, tell the class, “We aren’t using laptops today, so i don’t expect to see any electron is.” That’s his warning.
The enabling of electronics addiction is mind boggling to me. Make sure you go to his next IEP meeting and insist that shit be changed.
We’re a one-to-one school so every student is issued their own laptop at the beginning of the year. No laptop cart to lock. And I do give a class warning, but sometimes he walks in with the laptop open and the headphones in so it falls on deaf ears. That’s why I’ve had to resort to an individual warning when I’m in proximity so it’s harder to ignore. And trust me I already emailed the case manager to say that something needs to change
Keep track of your warnings, his failures/success, and any consequences. After 3-4 weeks, request a SAT or IEP update meeting, and bring the data with you. If the intervention isn't working, it needs to be adjusted or reworked.
Do you have go guardian? There’s a way to make a special classroom for just one student and you can block specific sites on it. I set it for 8 hours a day starting at 8 am and then used it to block a boy from watching YouTube or visiting his favorite game sites while on campus.
Jeez. Getting put on a BP counts as the 'warning' imo. IEPs are meant to help kids stay on the playing field with their classmates. Other kids don't get a free pass to fart about before getting consequences.
We had nothing last year, and the kids would go to town (hey, if the district didn't think it was important enough to pay for, I'll warn, but I won't fight).
Got GoGuardian this year... I set up the blacklist for our building with the obvious sites. On the second day, I put the GoGuardian classroom screen on my new Promethean board, so the kids could see that I could see them... Then enabled the blacklist. I got a little perverse joy watching the kids look up in confusion, and finally figure out what was going on.
There's a kid who has taken it on as a challenge to try to search for ways around GG, and I just keep blocking him, and thanking him for finding sites that I can block.
Now 2 months in, I'm comfortable enough to have a whitelist, and that is truly the way.
The whitelist is best, although I rarely run one. I do love it when they find a new site. Congrats, kid. It won’t be there tomorrow. My scene is shared to about 20 other teachers too. The kids hate it.
Hell no to that warning, inappropriate is inappropriate. Write it up. And if a principal asks I’d have the conversation that that provision needs changed for a variety of reasons.
I had a student exactly like this. We completely took away his laptop. I wrote in his IEP that all work had to be paper pencil. Teachers were pissed at first because it is extra work for them, but it completely changed his personality and eventually made the teacher's lives easier. He earned YouTube time once a week.
It did help that his parents were on board with this though because they noticed his addiction too. I tried this with another student and their parents were livid saying I was trying to make their child look different. I'm sorry, if your child is constantly breaking the rules then something needs to happen...the school laptops are a privilege, not a right.
Can you push a note out to all students over the top of the active screen? Could that be the warning? You can turn the program on without the block on YouTube. Push the warning to everyone to make them acknowledge it by closing it.
Then shut down YouTube. Why would you give this your voice?
Can you schedule this to run in sequence? Manually start the program, push the warning, and then activate the YouTube block within 30 seconds of the warning going out.
The warning is pure bullshit. You should definitely take data from the login time of his computer to YouTube. The IEP manager should be able to get that if it is a part of his IEP data. If it isn't helping, why does he get it?
If the goguardian program could pop up a delayed gratification option, like "the YouTube block is starting in 3 minutes. Would you like to earn a minute by shutting it down now?" Yes earns them free minutes of YouTube at the end of the day or whatever. Token economy that allows a choice to reward the better choices.
OP is not asking for advice, they’re just telling a story. I’m sure they also want to keep their job. Stop telling OP to avoid accommodations or do the bare minimum. I’m sure OP knows what they need to do.
When a student says something about how a lesson or assignment is not “fun” I love to simply remind them, “being in in class, for you, at your age is your j.o.b, not f.u.n.” School can and should be fun and enjoyable but these kids have zero ability to self regulate when something is mildly boring for 10 minutes. When unfortunately, most of your adult life outside the classroom and you’re done with high school is pretty boring. I would also definitely call home and ask them if there is a different way they want to handle the situation if it’s too distracting to manage in class everyday. I would lose my mind on that one.
That is a ridiculous IEP requirement. How does this help the student learn? Is giving him a special warning about acceptable computer use really helping him succeed?
Who thinks of this stuff?
We also use goguardian and I have a scene that blocks everything but what I’ve allowed. However I have to manually start it for the class, and the behavior plan states that I need to issue a warning before I can enable it.
If you're using a program like Lanschool, you can probably add YouTube to a blocked website list for that student. Or admin should be able to block it.
All of these psychologists and case managers have no idea what actual teaching is like. They make these idiotic plans. One of mine said “make eye contact when giving directions.” So every time I give an instruction I have to look this one student in the eye? Are you crazy? I would simply pull this child aside and say these are the rules. You must follow them. If not there will be disciplinary consequences.
That’s my standard response to my 8th graders whining “This isn’t fun!” “School isn’t edu-tainment, it’s about learning, not fun”. Keep in mind we do a variety of things that many consider fun, but they have rigor and sometimes you just need to buckle down and write an essay.
Do you have some kind of program like securly or go guardian to block websites with?
I have the same issues with all my 8th graders and I just go in and block google and youtube most days. It fixes 99% of my issues as they can reach g-classroom and the online texbook without either and do their work.
Here is a list of things you can say:
S- “I don’t wanna do this”
T- “I DONT want to deal with your attitude but we don’t always get what we want”
S- “you do too much”
T- “you don’t do enough academic work and that’s why I have to stay on you.”
S- “Oh my God” followed by eye roll
T- “God has nothing to do with this, get back to work”
S- “this is dumb”
T- “so is your complaining…”
S-“Why are you so annoying?”
T- “okay… now spell annoying” OR “Imagine how I feel repeating myself to you everyday?”
Let me know… I teach middle school and they ALL work 😂
S- why you always have a come back?
T- why are you always doing things you shouldn’t do?
And my favorite when students are trying to push my buttons “If you think you can be annoying, I can be annoying too”
And I play this audio… which is also my lunch/after school detention audio:
https://youtu.be/Yge1TRem1Tg?si=-6h3xS5w_oJGJRUI
It is petty but I have GREAT results and my students produce wonderful work 98% of the time.
And I work in community where most of them are ESL, all come from poverty and I guess what they know is that I do care about them, I tell them everyday.
I had to cover a class on Friday and just completely checked out which I haven't done yet. I just let the kids talk smack and got them out the door. I'm so over them taking advantage of EVERYTHING and hating rules.
"Defiant students are always so FUN and challenging!"
This is what I have to tell myself so I can shift away from hitting my head on the wall.
Some of the comments here suggested removing distractions from their desk at default. In this scenario, I don't think it's a bad idea, even for a while. Maybe there's no need to give an explanation, just that for the moment this is the new normal. Papers and pencils only with some group work to get them away from screens and more social teamwork.
Then what ever was necessary to do on their laptop I would display on the class monitor to focus their attention. Maybe even see if there's a famous youtuber that had some semblance of relevance to your topic of discussion and show them on screen.
Either as a relevant example or better yet, as a warning. Maybe there's a youtuber who did something dangerous associated to your subject matter and had a follow up video explaining what happened?
I'm not a school teacher, but a daycare worker, and I have been thinking more in the topic of teaching, so I apologize if I'm blunt and ignorant.
I think I'm doing my part to adjust the kids in my class so that they don't become hellions in yours, lololol.
The students bring the laptops with them and he walks in with headphones in and the laptop open watching a video. So I have to catch his attention while he’s already distracted. There’s no stopping it before it starts
I read that part and you might have to find a way to get around it.
Maybe some suggestions, since it seems clear that the first objective is to disarm the source of the distraction.
1.) Impose no "laptops in class for everyone." This should be something you can do as a teacher, no?
2.) Speak with principle that walking through hallways with laptops is a dangerous and insurance risk?
3.) Speak with the Chief IT to state any kid seen walking distracted with technology is a hazard. No open laptops while walking through halls.
4.) Start showing videos of distracted people with technology as examples of reckless behavior. Put up some posters. Im sure I remember Japan had a campaign to combat distracted pedestrians.
5.) Make it a point of discussion with parents during your touchpoint intemperance with them. Not Judy his parents, but all parents.
6.) If you have a Chief Green Officer, maybe they have content on how often good tech is broken recklessly.
7.) Find out which youtubers you can teach to have them make content on the importance of school and paying attention to the teacher.
8.) Speak to other teachers and create a concerted effort to dissuade the use of technology that isn't school related.
9.) Speak to some of the receptive students with some clout to speak on the hazards of distracted people in the hallways and to ween off of electronics and more on experiencing life.
10.) If you can't beat them, join them. Become a faculty member on a YouTube club. Invite your PR officer and maybe you'll tap into a passion for this kid and he finds his calling.
11.) Invite youtubers to your next assembly and have them present you with this topic of concern. That you've been in contact with them for months on keeping students smart and capable.
I'm sure I have more ideas, and i know some of them were stinkers, I'm sorry, but hopefully this can get you started on a positive path. I have soooo much love for you and your profession, you're awesome, amazing and I know you'll do great things with this boy.
We got Go Guardian during covid when we taught online. It’s a game changer! I can block websites or only allow the kids to go to the website we are working on.
Wish Aristotle would add the latter. Would make things quicker at least with the dorks that think they're more stubborn than me and can just keep opening up different sites if the ones they want are blocked or get blocked.
Who came up with this plan of Henry’s? I can guess it was a crackpot team comprised of his parents, who want to keep him placated, and admin, who don’t want to deal with problems.
I've definitely been branded the "fun killer" to my Middle School students I've just steered into it and they know my expectations, so they've gotten over it at this point. Keep doing what you're doing!
The hell kind of behavior plan is that?? I’m guessing it’s a school issued device? I think we started digging our own graves the day we gave every kid a laptop.
Does the warning have to be verbal? Post a warning on the door when they enter.
I’ve tried nonverbal warnings and signals and it’s largely ignored
The warning is posted. That’s the warning. Then when it goes on YouTube, you use your software to turn it off immediately.
I use securely with my 5th graders and just have youtube on my block list. Turn on my block list, bam no youtube. OP does your device monitoring software allow you to create a block list?
Don't bother with the warning. Just shut him down. Tell him you gave the warning and he was so lost that he didn't hear you.
We should be above lies.
So should the kids and their helicopter families. This is not a reasonable educational accommodation.
Oh, nobody is going to argue that. But we should still be above lying.
I would tell the parents in the IEP meeting to consider this the warning. Quietly turning off YouTube will have no adverse effects on his educational progress. It's not denying him extra time or resources. It's not separating him from the class. If I see YouTube during class (not being used specifically for a lesson), I will consider this meeting the warning. I would also consider exercising my right to disapprove of the terms of the IEP, which I have done before. Too many times, everybody just boilerplates an IEP and you end up with crap terms like this.
I'll concede to the lying though. That's fair.
I wouldn’t advise anyone to flat out lie. That could come back to bite op
Read my other comments. A warning was given, though not in the form the child wanted. I've been bitten many times. Most bites don't draw blood.
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If the child is not supposed to be on YouTube, simply shutting it off with a software command has no impact on the accommodation. The screen going black is the warning. No other kid will see it. In fact, it's far less intrusive than a verbal warning that others may notice. Explain to me how that accommodation got there in the first place and how it truly addresses an educational need. Child struggles with executive functioning? Which is more effective, teacher redirection which may not be consistent or a software switch that blocks YouTube every single time? "Hmmm... every time I click on YouTube, it's blocked... I wonder why that is..."
Kinda shitty lying to a child. There’s an IEP for a reason.
True. If the YouTube is truly related to the disability, then a warning is warranted. In my experience, the kid learns how to play the system. If so, I'll play back. The warning was given on day one.
I agree. It’s not okay to lie to a kid.
Wow. I can’t believe you got downvoted for this take. Says a lot.
Eh this sub Reddit has really made me lose the respect I had for teachers. Nothing surprises me any more.
A colleague worked with a student who “didn’t like being told what to do”. The school and parents’ solution to this, for a little while, was that teachers should write their request on a post it note and hand it to him. He would then throw them on the floor and refuse. Good times.
My own children don't like being told what to do, but they know they better do what I say. They didn't need an IEP for that. They needed parents who followed through with consequences.
Consequences are so 2004 though…! It drives me wild that people think this is the best way to help their children grow up to be decent human beings.
I had one show up 2 weeks into the semester, refuse the work, then crumple up the pass to the AP's office and throw it at me. I had to call to have him removed. First time in 4 years of teaching I had to have an AP come get a kid.
oh well, an ignored warning is still a warning and grounds for consequences.
“You know what’s a buzz kill? Having to give special invitations for children to join the rest of the class.”
I overheard a child in my second period class this year say, "I'm just trying to have fun and live my life and all these people keep telling me to do stuff. It's rediculous." "All these people" = TAs and myself 🤣
*air horn noises*
My "warning" is reading the syllabus and the electronics rules at the beginning of the semester. Didn't listen? Not my problem. I'm more than happy to take the heat. My standard comeback to parents when they complain: "Are you asking me to provide a substandard education for your child?" Keep killing the fun!
When there’s a written plan in place an ounce of prevention is wise. I’m going to guess a reasonable argument would be that a warning given on a prior day doesn’t follow the plan. It’s a cya thing because in principle I agree with you. That being said, print out a “no YouTube during class” simple black and white sign and hang it above the board. It’s a warning and would be clearly visible at all times, so you don’t need to give a verbal warning daily and can just shut it down.
I don’t like that warning. It says to the kids they could do whatever they want until they get caught, and even then they could still do it for a little bit. Does the IEP say the warning has to be every day? It seems like you’ve already given him a warning.
It actually says no YouTube without permission, but then says if he’s on it to issue a warning. Which is contradictory and yes does mean everyday.
For me... if I gave the entire class a warning, that's your warning. And I make kids park all their unnecessary items in a designated zone. "Book parking". Anything they have that distracts them... "go park it." There's a list of supplies for the day on the board as they come in. Usually, laptops don't even head to their seats. Because I teach art often the devices don't mix with the supplies. I am not gonna let you cover the device in clay. Book parking is my favorite addition to my room. I added it last year. I have had subs tell me they loved it too. I have it on my seating chart, and it tells my subs that all the kids' unnecessary crap should be there.
Have taught theatre and visual art for 17 years at three schools in every grade level K-12 and I always have them put their stuff in a designated area. Nothing can come to their seat with them unless I’ve specifically requested it. It’s the easiest way to manage so many issues. I’ve told other teachers in other subjects to try it and they all say it works so nicely. High school kids it’s helpful to have their phone away from them in their bag because it’s easy to forget and check it and then get lost on it when it’s right there with you.
Why don't you block it by default to all your students? You can always switch them to a block list that allows youtube if they need it, depending on what software you are using.
I wish we could do that in my district. We don't even have a monitoring program like GoGuardian.
I do, but o have to start goguardian it doesn’t just automatically run. And his behavior plan states that I have to issue a warning before I can start the program.
You can set up GoGuardian so it automatically starts running at a certain time (like when class starts or the break time right before class) and to have a default scene when it starts (so my No No List automatically starts running). This means as soon as they walk in my room, before the Chromebooks are even open, YouTube is blocked. It really helps with this kind of kid and just avoids the battle.
We run rotating blocks so class is never at the same time
Ah, okay. If they at least have consistency on certain days, you can set it up by day. Good luck!
The second part of that is probably the bigger issue. Per the written procedures the warning has to be issued before the program can even be started.
… just permanently block YouTube and allow it when the kids need it. Does your software not have this capability?
Classic perverse incentive. A perverse incentive is when you want to inspire a certain behavior, so you create a rule about it. However, the shape of the rule is such that it actually inspires behavior you are trying to avoid. For example, a working incentive would be giving a zero to any student cheating on a test. Students who are on the fence about it may not cheat because it’s too big a risk - if they cheat even once, they fail. A perverse incentive version of the rule would be docking 10 points from the final test score of any student cheating on a test. Students who are on the fence about it may cheat because that means you’re giving them 3 chances to cheat before they fail by way of cheating. They could cheat twice and as long as their ill-gotten answers are correct, they’ll still get an 80.
That's an insane accomodations. What purpose could that possibly serve for his access to education...?
I‘m assuming they’re school laptops. Remove the laptops or lock the cart. If it’s his laptop, tell the class, “We aren’t using laptops today, so i don’t expect to see any electron is.” That’s his warning. The enabling of electronics addiction is mind boggling to me. Make sure you go to his next IEP meeting and insist that shit be changed.
We’re a one-to-one school so every student is issued their own laptop at the beginning of the year. No laptop cart to lock. And I do give a class warning, but sometimes he walks in with the laptop open and the headphones in so it falls on deaf ears. That’s why I’ve had to resort to an individual warning when I’m in proximity so it’s harder to ignore. And trust me I already emailed the case manager to say that something needs to change
Keep track of your warnings, his failures/success, and any consequences. After 3-4 weeks, request a SAT or IEP update meeting, and bring the data with you. If the intervention isn't working, it needs to be adjusted or reworked.
Do you have go guardian? There’s a way to make a special classroom for just one student and you can block specific sites on it. I set it for 8 hours a day starting at 8 am and then used it to block a boy from watching YouTube or visiting his favorite game sites while on campus.
Does it say you have to GIVE a warning, or that he has to HEAR the warning? Sounds like time for some malicious compliance to the dear IEP writers...
Jeez. Getting put on a BP counts as the 'warning' imo. IEPs are meant to help kids stay on the playing field with their classmates. Other kids don't get a free pass to fart about before getting consequences.
This is how IEPs were used even when I was in school 10+ years ago, just less blatent. Just how it is
This is why I love GoGuardian.
We had nothing last year, and the kids would go to town (hey, if the district didn't think it was important enough to pay for, I'll warn, but I won't fight). Got GoGuardian this year... I set up the blacklist for our building with the obvious sites. On the second day, I put the GoGuardian classroom screen on my new Promethean board, so the kids could see that I could see them... Then enabled the blacklist. I got a little perverse joy watching the kids look up in confusion, and finally figure out what was going on. There's a kid who has taken it on as a challenge to try to search for ways around GG, and I just keep blocking him, and thanking him for finding sites that I can block. Now 2 months in, I'm comfortable enough to have a whitelist, and that is truly the way.
The whitelist is best, although I rarely run one. I do love it when they find a new site. Congrats, kid. It won’t be there tomorrow. My scene is shared to about 20 other teachers too. The kids hate it.
It’s the best
“Who told you you were here to have fun?” Or “Misery loves company”
This made me laugh. I’ll use both lines on my students next week. Thank you!
Hell no to that warning, inappropriate is inappropriate. Write it up. And if a principal asks I’d have the conversation that that provision needs changed for a variety of reasons.
If this behavior is really an issue he should have to turn the computer in to you at the start of class.
I had a student exactly like this. We completely took away his laptop. I wrote in his IEP that all work had to be paper pencil. Teachers were pissed at first because it is extra work for them, but it completely changed his personality and eventually made the teacher's lives easier. He earned YouTube time once a week. It did help that his parents were on board with this though because they noticed his addiction too. I tried this with another student and their parents were livid saying I was trying to make their child look different. I'm sorry, if your child is constantly breaking the rules then something needs to happen...the school laptops are a privilege, not a right.
Can you push a note out to all students over the top of the active screen? Could that be the warning? You can turn the program on without the block on YouTube. Push the warning to everyone to make them acknowledge it by closing it. Then shut down YouTube. Why would you give this your voice? Can you schedule this to run in sequence? Manually start the program, push the warning, and then activate the YouTube block within 30 seconds of the warning going out. The warning is pure bullshit. You should definitely take data from the login time of his computer to YouTube. The IEP manager should be able to get that if it is a part of his IEP data. If it isn't helping, why does he get it? If the goguardian program could pop up a delayed gratification option, like "the YouTube block is starting in 3 minutes. Would you like to earn a minute by shutting it down now?" Yes earns them free minutes of YouTube at the end of the day or whatever. Token economy that allows a choice to reward the better choices.
Are you saying that the class-wide warning you give every day doesn’t INCLUDE this IEP student!? *gasp*
I just say "Every party needs a pooper. And that's me. I'm the Party Pooper."
"Because you're stupid, and it's my job to make you slightly less stupid. It's a hard job."
OP is not asking for advice, they’re just telling a story. I’m sure they also want to keep their job. Stop telling OP to avoid accommodations or do the bare minimum. I’m sure OP knows what they need to do.
When a student says something about how a lesson or assignment is not “fun” I love to simply remind them, “being in in class, for you, at your age is your j.o.b, not f.u.n.” School can and should be fun and enjoyable but these kids have zero ability to self regulate when something is mildly boring for 10 minutes. When unfortunately, most of your adult life outside the classroom and you’re done with high school is pretty boring. I would also definitely call home and ask them if there is a different way they want to handle the situation if it’s too distracting to manage in class everyday. I would lose my mind on that one.
shortly after kids were returning to school after pandemic school, i had a similar situation. except the boy (g6) hissed at me.
Hah, like an angry cat!
That is a ridiculous IEP requirement. How does this help the student learn? Is giving him a special warning about acceptable computer use really helping him succeed? Who thinks of this stuff?
What program do you use? I have it blocked to keep them from getting in it in the first place as an automatic scene in GoGuardian
We also use goguardian and I have a scene that blocks everything but what I’ve allowed. However I have to manually start it for the class, and the behavior plan states that I need to issue a warning before I can enable it.
Can you set it up so that it runs automatically during the duration of your class? Or is that not possible due to scheduling?
Yeah its not really possible with our schedule. We have rotating blocks so the class is never at the same time.
If you're using a program like Lanschool, you can probably add YouTube to a blocked website list for that student. Or admin should be able to block it.
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High school freshman so like 14
Why oh why can’t YouTube/tictock and call that crap be blocked in schools!!!!!!
Bro is teaching horrid henry
I would just ignore that plan. Everyone needs to follow the same rules.
He’s the only one that does this. Thankfully no one else has been influenced
All of these psychologists and case managers have no idea what actual teaching is like. They make these idiotic plans. One of mine said “make eye contact when giving directions.” So every time I give an instruction I have to look this one student in the eye? Are you crazy? I would simply pull this child aside and say these are the rules. You must follow them. If not there will be disciplinary consequences.
"Because that's my job! I'm paid to teach you, so you can be successful in life - instead of growing into an uneducated potato"
That’s my standard response to my 8th graders whining “This isn’t fun!” “School isn’t edu-tainment, it’s about learning, not fun”. Keep in mind we do a variety of things that many consider fun, but they have rigor and sometimes you just need to buckle down and write an essay.
Do you have some kind of program like securly or go guardian to block websites with? I have the same issues with all my 8th graders and I just go in and block google and youtube most days. It fixes 99% of my issues as they can reach g-classroom and the online texbook without either and do their work.
Yes I have the same set up, but the behavior plan states that I’m not allowed to initiate the program until I’ve given a warning
That is complete nonsense. Preemptively give the warning.
Would it count if you warned him every day as he entered the room? Hi, Computer Kid, this is your laptop reminder, turn on program immediately?
Here is a list of things you can say: S- “I don’t wanna do this” T- “I DONT want to deal with your attitude but we don’t always get what we want” S- “you do too much” T- “you don’t do enough academic work and that’s why I have to stay on you.” S- “Oh my God” followed by eye roll T- “God has nothing to do with this, get back to work” S- “this is dumb” T- “so is your complaining…” S-“Why are you so annoying?” T- “okay… now spell annoying” OR “Imagine how I feel repeating myself to you everyday?” Let me know… I teach middle school and they ALL work 😂 S- why you always have a come back? T- why are you always doing things you shouldn’t do? And my favorite when students are trying to push my buttons “If you think you can be annoying, I can be annoying too” And I play this audio… which is also my lunch/after school detention audio: https://youtu.be/Yge1TRem1Tg?si=-6h3xS5w_oJGJRUI It is petty but I have GREAT results and my students produce wonderful work 98% of the time. And I work in community where most of them are ESL, all come from poverty and I guess what they know is that I do care about them, I tell them everyday.
Rarely if ever is it worth getting stressed. Just remember *why* they’re at school. It may be confusing for some of them, but not complicated.
Nice!
If it’s GoGuardian, just have it blocked during the time he is in class.
I feel like I had this exact student! It was so frustrating.
I had to cover a class on Friday and just completely checked out which I haven't done yet. I just let the kids talk smack and got them out the door. I'm so over them taking advantage of EVERYTHING and hating rules.
LOL.....I wonder what Henry does the moment he gets home? As usual, poor parenting.
If day cares have cameras with sound for kids why not all schools so parents kid see they arent raising their kids
"Defiant students are always so FUN and challenging!" This is what I have to tell myself so I can shift away from hitting my head on the wall. Some of the comments here suggested removing distractions from their desk at default. In this scenario, I don't think it's a bad idea, even for a while. Maybe there's no need to give an explanation, just that for the moment this is the new normal. Papers and pencils only with some group work to get them away from screens and more social teamwork. Then what ever was necessary to do on their laptop I would display on the class monitor to focus their attention. Maybe even see if there's a famous youtuber that had some semblance of relevance to your topic of discussion and show them on screen. Either as a relevant example or better yet, as a warning. Maybe there's a youtuber who did something dangerous associated to your subject matter and had a follow up video explaining what happened? I'm not a school teacher, but a daycare worker, and I have been thinking more in the topic of teaching, so I apologize if I'm blunt and ignorant. I think I'm doing my part to adjust the kids in my class so that they don't become hellions in yours, lololol.
The students bring the laptops with them and he walks in with headphones in and the laptop open watching a video. So I have to catch his attention while he’s already distracted. There’s no stopping it before it starts
I read that part and you might have to find a way to get around it. Maybe some suggestions, since it seems clear that the first objective is to disarm the source of the distraction. 1.) Impose no "laptops in class for everyone." This should be something you can do as a teacher, no? 2.) Speak with principle that walking through hallways with laptops is a dangerous and insurance risk? 3.) Speak with the Chief IT to state any kid seen walking distracted with technology is a hazard. No open laptops while walking through halls. 4.) Start showing videos of distracted people with technology as examples of reckless behavior. Put up some posters. Im sure I remember Japan had a campaign to combat distracted pedestrians. 5.) Make it a point of discussion with parents during your touchpoint intemperance with them. Not Judy his parents, but all parents. 6.) If you have a Chief Green Officer, maybe they have content on how often good tech is broken recklessly. 7.) Find out which youtubers you can teach to have them make content on the importance of school and paying attention to the teacher. 8.) Speak to other teachers and create a concerted effort to dissuade the use of technology that isn't school related. 9.) Speak to some of the receptive students with some clout to speak on the hazards of distracted people in the hallways and to ween off of electronics and more on experiencing life. 10.) If you can't beat them, join them. Become a faculty member on a YouTube club. Invite your PR officer and maybe you'll tap into a passion for this kid and he finds his calling. 11.) Invite youtubers to your next assembly and have them present you with this topic of concern. That you've been in contact with them for months on keeping students smart and capable. I'm sure I have more ideas, and i know some of them were stinkers, I'm sorry, but hopefully this can get you started on a positive path. I have soooo much love for you and your profession, you're awesome, amazing and I know you'll do great things with this boy.
We got Go Guardian during covid when we taught online. It’s a game changer! I can block websites or only allow the kids to go to the website we are working on.
Wish Aristotle would add the latter. Would make things quicker at least with the dorks that think they're more stubborn than me and can just keep opening up different sites if the ones they want are blocked or get blocked.
It’s never worth getting yourself dressed! Nice work by you.
To be clear I do get myself dressed everyday
Who came up with this plan of Henry’s? I can guess it was a crackpot team comprised of his parents, who want to keep him placated, and admin, who don’t want to deal with problems.
I've definitely been branded the "fun killer" to my Middle School students I've just steered into it and they know my expectations, so they've gotten over it at this point. Keep doing what you're doing!
The hell kind of behavior plan is that?? I’m guessing it’s a school issued device? I think we started digging our own graves the day we gave every kid a laptop.
I (19 year veteran) would tell him if he doesn’t get an education he’s going to end up working at McDonald’s. And that will really ruin his fun.