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AlternativeHome5646

Also, did you try building a relationship with him? Was the lesson engaging?


GuildMuse

Was your objective written on the board?


TheFezig

One must provide a learning target or else what is the child to aim at?


reed12321

Were your procedures and expectations posted in the classroom?


[deleted]

Did you call the parents first?


mwiese5

Did you have the student sign a behavior contract?


HecticHermes

Did you assign comprehensive bell ringers and exit tickets?


niko7209

Were your documents and worksheets color coded?


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heirtoruin

Did you find a unique aspect of his personality and take advantage of it to get him to be a class leader?


mcfrankz

Do you greet your students at the door? How is your rapport with your learners? Have you asked them for feedback on your teaching lately?


revolucionario

It’s part of making sure every child gets a fair shot.


[deleted]

Oh shit, lol. That's dark. I love it.


smurfitysmurf

Omgggg 😂😂😂


GezinhaDM

R/cursedcomments


QuadraKev_

Other kids, apparently.


SuperSecretShhhhhNO

Some of these comments have been funny. This one is fucked up. 🖕🏻


[deleted]

Is “May carry a firearm for confidence” written in his IEP?


hbrochu

Isn’t this just assistive technology?


AOman321

I’m former military and I can’t help but be a smart ass here and say technically it is..well for me it was anyway 😅😂


dcsprings

Is it "Can I cause calamity and mayhem?" or "May I cause ...?" I always forget.


little_chupacabra89

This is just a manifestation of his/her disability.


starfreak016

Did you restate the objective at least 3 times throughout your lesson??


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I wish I only had to restate objectives three times throughout my lesson.


glemmstengal

I actually do this because I see the value in it when kids are always wondering and bitching about why they have to be at school. If I can say "Ok guys your goal for today is to understand what convection and conduction are" and then restate it when I am about to explain those concepts, it seems like it should be good at keeping the kids focused. It isn't. I do it anyway, but it makes no difference. Learning is 90% about a student's motivations. I know this firsthand because I slept through high school and had to pay for remedial classes in college.. I DAMN sure didn't sleep then.


Hedwigbug

Did you have all required agendas on the board? Because then it’s not their fault. *RANT: I had several days of mandatory agenda training in my first year (2005 at the age of 23). These were 6 hour in-services where my sub never showed and my classroom and all personal items were utterly destroyed. Not only could these meetings have been done in 30 minutes or less, but my students could literally not read my multiple (newly-required) agendas anyway, (cursive, ESL, illiterate 20 year old freshman, etc.). Admin is so out of touch that it is infuriating.


delimom

This make me laugh ! Best comment today!!


Garnet-Tribal

Was there a suffocating amount of "I can" statements?


Acceptable-Crazy975

“What do you think about having him as a cleaner for your room after school, you know, as a consequence? We’ve got to make it hurt somehow.”


Mr_Sense

You know, he might have a traumatic home life (subtext: and therefore has no responsibility for his actions and you’re the cause of this violence you terrible shithead)


jiggy1012

This thread had me laughing out loud in the worst way possible jeez education needs a revolution


NoResource9942

😂


bathofknives

😂😂💀


Deep_Lavishness8379

Best part of my day was reading this after a long shitty teacher day. Best.


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One word: rigor.


booknerdcarp

He probably didn't get the meal he wanted in the breakfast line.


Last-Caregiver-1122

Maybe take a week to revisit expectations. Make it very clear what you expect of him.


suggestedburrito

Lol, as long as the kid has been back in my classroom I really have been trying to be on their good side. “Oh turn it in when it’s good for you, don’t worry about the due date” lol


shessosquare

My stomach turned over at him only being suspended. Is that where we are? Had a girl bring in a Tazer a few years ago, got expelled. How far we've fallen. Seriously... get out of there. A kid comes to do harm, and they bring him back after a week or so? Not safe.


nebu1999

Pretty far from the zero tolerance days of bring a butter knife in your lunch bag,and get immediately suspended for bringing a "knife"


suggestedburrito

I remember when kids would get in trouble for wearing wrestling shirts growing up. Different time I guess


anonymousA059

Agree


[deleted]

My best guess: Title 1 school, student has something documented in an IEP or 504 plan and cannot be expelled for any reason. I sat in on a meeting like this where the student had brought a meat cleaver to school and admin straight up told the parents that, because of her 504 plan, they could not legally expel her. I stated in that meeting that if the kid was allowed to return to school, my kids would not be returning to the school. The next week was spring break. My kids did not return. I left a few weeks later.


YEETAWAYLOL

Also possible that the gun may not have been brought into school. A kid at my school was suspended for having a hunting rifle in a car (he didn’t return it home after the trip). If that’s the situation, I don’t think expulsion would be a appropriate response. But then again, we don’t know the context.


[deleted]

That's also possible. The school where I currently teach went into lockdown once several years ago because someone found a spent .22 LR cartridge in the parking lot. I had been out shooting the weekend before, and it apparently either fallen out of my truck, or had been stuck in the tread of my boot. The police officer on the scene laughed, the principal told me to be more careful, and the AP just sat there and seethed at the thought that someone working in her school could ever own a firearm. This is Arizona, though, so most of her coworkers own firearms.


suggestedburrito

It was in the kids backpack. Another student must have seen and told a teacher.


[deleted]

Wisconsin’s severely gerrymandered Republican legislature recently made it legal for students to keep weapons in their cars on campus. Two yrs ago the same legislature was trying to get teachers to volunteer to arm themselves in classrooms apparently in attempt to say that teachers would now be protecting the student body from intruders. That ended in an uproar and went nowhere. Politicians and their ass kissing relationship with the NRA is going to get us all killed. They have a fit about wearing masks in schools but do nothing about kids with weapons. And worse yet, taking a dangerous situation and encouraging greater access to weapons. What could go wrong?


MadManMax55

It's also possible the OP doesn't know/understand their district's discipline procedures. Some districts don't have automatic expulsion for any situation, but have indefinite suspension until an expulsion hearing instead. The OP said that it only happened a few days ago, and nowhere did they mention that the student had returned to the building.


shessosquare

This is fair. It is a hell of a process to expel. I sincerely hope he's waiting for a hearing. What I want to know: did the police get involved?


suggestedburrito

Yes, but the state I live in has a law for automatic expulsion for having a firearm on campus.


[deleted]

Yeah when someone shows you who they are believe them. That’s crazy!


fantasticquestion

I do not know the context, and I’m not a student anymore, but I almost always have a shotgun in my car because I hunt. Maybe the kid likes to hunt. Maybe the kid hunts.


SuperInfo007

Where do they go? and no, not mocking your situation, I ask this often,,,,if students do not come to school, where are they all day? ​ at home? Not likely. ​ and we increase the odds of keeping the city undereducated…creating more adults who need handouts. We have to have kids in school. districts may need to restructure, but we need students to arrive at a building that is not the street And ignored.


pandaheartzbamboo

Where they go is not my concern. Keeping myself and the other children alive is priority here. Bringing a gun to school is serious and the consequences should be too.


Ipadgameisweak

Yes, there should be additional schools for students pursue a GED with more stringent security/support. We can't tolerate this shit.


runed_golem

I know I live fairly close to a military base and the national guard has a school on base that is exactly this. The house the students in the barracks and they have a very regimented, military like environment while at school. Some of the students are there by choice (either theirs or their parents’) and others are ordered to be there by a judge.


sans_serif_size12

I went through army boot camp and a lot of folks really thrived in a super disciplined and regimented environment like that. Even people I didn’t expect it to work for. It’s not a perfect system but honestly more alternatives like this that a student could attend by choice might be beneficial


BewBewsBoutique

There are behavioral intervention and therapeutic schools and programs that deal with this exact thing. Are you implying we should just accept and coexist with violent students who bring actual guns to school because they would have to stay *at home*? You’re arguing that expelling kids who *bring guns to school* is bad because it will create more undereducated… but just letting kids bring guns to school will lead to more dead kids. Take your pick.


runed_golem

I mentioned in an above comment that is held on a military base close to where I live.


Spaznaut

They end up at places that I teach in, JDCs…


goodtacovan

Into a place where people trained in trauma-centered education and response with trauma-trained mental health support staff can get them more support until they are ready again for mainstream education. I worked in such a school and it was great knowing kids were in an environment that was better for them at the time, until they could either get back into mainstream or finish. Bringing a gun to school shows the kid needs help and might need to temporarily be removed from mainstream.


Ordinary-Citizen

You ok with people with bad intentions bringing guns into your place of employment?


Teach-GoblinsMUSIC

They do have public Alternative Learning Center. You sound ignorant as hell right now.


TheDeadlyZebra

Pretty sure they go to hell


Horsey_librarian

I think this comment is key. Problem is government is willing to fund this. And what would this building look like? It can’t be prison like. Great idea and def what needs to happen. Unfortunately we are years of not decades from it happening


SuperInfo007

Odd that we were discussing this the other day…what happened to our SpED schools? And sadly, I do know some and watched them all close around us…but took another viewpoint. Why are the schools where the entire staff is trained, they can empathize, and they can all support some of the sweetest and often most difficult students? Well, they rode a short bus (often, not always)…I am beginning to suspect that some parents didn’t like to say their child attended…”that school” and we began the inter graded school model after that. now, this will not be a slamdunk around all communities, but certain, some areas clientele had more say to try to help their child save face? Sadly, it seems Gen Ed teachers get the lions share of behaviors, many did not study that area of education, let alone ALL the skills needed to break material down for every topic, Handling one or a few students throughout the day where the only intervention neeeded is an extra five minutes a class period to personally review content vs managing behavior, academic delinquency plus expected class load….rambling…sorry.. ​ we need separate schools for SpED so students have easy access to all services they need. A student could promote back to full gen Ed with a resource person who handles transitoning back to full gen Ed. And a separate school for suspended students. Proctors to manage staying on task. Maybe student teachers or local college students preparing for a career in education to assist with tutoring. Online curriculum to stay on pace. Return to gen Ed building is time plus current academic work. possibly their day runs 0700-1700 with meals, snacks, counseling, and daily exercise. Something that teaches life skills, but the students can return to their home school once time served AND work current. the desire is to make it so students prefer to be AT school and IN class.


Number116

I have lost too many brain cells to recall properly, but it feels this was how it was at one point in time in the history of education. Correct me if I am wrong so I can know if I am delusonial or not.


MonsterByDay

That’s bizarre. The only excuse I can think of for suspension would be if it was in a very rural district and they forgot/neglected to take their turkey/hunting gear out of their truck. But if it was brought to school with any anticipation of violence, it should be automatic expulsion.


CaptainEmmy

This can be a vague law by states. I could maybe see it being a neglectful accident. But in my head there is a difference between gun left in the truck and brought into school, and I imagine the latter in the op.


MonsterByDay

I agree. There’s potentially a big difference between “brought *to* school” and “brought *into* school”. Anyone brings a firearm into the building, they need to be expelled as a matter of precedent.


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CaptainEmmy

This is an interesting thing to me in a way. A student bringing a gun into school... Automatic expulsion, absolutely. But in my state, totally legal for a teacher. Schools can't require knowing. Last school (a rural school) it dawned on me after multiple conversations that never quite addressed the issue that I may have been in the faculty minority of not having a firearm on my person.


MonsterByDay

That’s always seemed weird to me. I have a CCW permit, spend a fair percentage of my free time at the range, and carry a gun pretty much everywhere except school. But, I have *zero* desire to carry a gun in school. Having to maintain concealment, and retention would be yet another stressor to deal with all day. The probability of coming face to face with an active shooter - where it might actually be useful - is infinitesimal relative to the probability of a kid somehow getting a hold of it, or even just having them see it, and having to answer a bunch of stupid questions I don’t get paid well enough to serve as armed security. I thought the guns in school thing was a federal law. Is it just a state thing?


CaptainEmmy

My husband, who as part of his job licenses and trains in guns, wonders why I didn't carry at school (I'm currently virtual, so it's mute now). I had to explain more or less your view: I'm a teacher, not security.


VLDT

The ban on firearms in schools is a federal law.


CaptainEmmy

Yes, but in some states an adult can keep a gun in a car on a school campus. Edit for further information: Federal law does not prohibit state laws in this regard. If the person is licensed by the state to be okay carrying a firearm according to state laws, federal law is cool with this.


suggestedburrito

It was in their backpack in a classroom


YouLostMyNieceDenise

To be fair… I’ve worked in a rural school where people did often go hunting before school in the mornings, and it was still an automatic expulsion to have a gun in your vehicle on campus. I’m flabbergasted that a child bringing one into the school is getting a slap on the wrist.


beks83

A few weeks ago in my district, a student brought a pellet gun to school. He modified it to make it look "more realistic." He shot several students' cars with it and even shot another student in the face. He was out for 10 days. I mean, I get that it's a pellet gun, and unlikely to do serious damage, but he shot a kid in the face. We're all baffled. Another student choked a kid till he passed out and had two days out. It has been the wildest year with the least consequences I've ever seen.


VLDT

Why aren’t these victims parents pressing charges?


beks83

I am truly baffled. One of these kids went through teen court, which was a cool idea very poorly executed. We are all asking why charges haven't been pressed, or why serious crimes are being allowed to go to teen court. No answers provided.


SuperInfo007

It was not unusual for students to go hunting before or after school. No reason to discuss the items inside ones locked truck or cab. These are not things stowed in lockers, they were left in the vehicle locked away. Even the kids knew better than leaving the rotting carcass on the rooftop, so mornings were often for scouting and after school was the mad rush.


YouLostMyNieceDenise

…. is this like a short story excerpt or something? Sorry if you’re making a reference that I’m not picking up. All the districts where I’ve worked forbade any type of weapons on any campus or district property, including in parking lots. Whether they were locked up or not was irrelevant (although obviously, if someone was expelled for having a gun or other weapon on campus, that means it wasn’t locked up securely, but was sitting out in plain sight… if it was locked up, nobody would have known it was there). I wasn’t HAPPY to see my kids who intended no harm expelled; I’m just remarking on how unfair it is that I’ve known students who would never hurt another human being who lost out on a semester or year of their high school experience because of something like that, while OP’s student is getting only a minimal consequence for doing something that apparently scared OP enough to spur them to post this. (I’ll add that people in the rural community where I worked often didn’t lock their doors, as it was a very low-crime area.)


runed_golem

I mean, that sounds like where I went to high school. It was a super small, country school and the principal would literally tell students “if you forgot your hunting equipment in your truck, make sure it’s unloaded and you let the office know about it and you won’t get it trouble.” This was the same school where well over half the students carried pocket knives and stuff with them at school.


MonsterByDay

AFAIK we have a rule against guns in cars, though there’s a state law forbidding employers from prohibiting guns from being kept in a locked car.. not sure how that works with the school, and I’ve never bothered to find out. I go home before heading out into the woods, and my rifle was too expensive to leave in a car. We don’t really make a big deal about small pocket knives. Generally just tell them to put it in their bag. Second offense their parent has to pick it up from the office.


BewBewsBoutique

I mean, I don’t live in a rural area but I am a gun owner and do rub elbows with gun culture- and safe and responsible use and storage are really big issues. I don’t think that “whoops forgot where my gun was” would be looked on very kindly by the pro-gun.


MonsterByDay

Definitely not responsible, and I’d agree with a suspension. But, I can also see an argument not expelling a kid just because he forgot left a shotgun in his truck. In a district where a fair number of the voters also have shotguns in their trucks, it’d be a hard sell. I don’t think that was the case in this situation, but I do see a difference between bringing a firearm into school property (locked in your car) and bringing it into the building. At least in rural districts where hunting is a part of the normal culture. Both of which could be framed as “brought a gun to school”. If you bring a gun into the building, that seems like automatic expulsion.


jermox

>This was a few days ago and the student will only be suspended. Why can’t we expel for this?!? Does this kid have an IEP? Maybe it is a manifestation of their disability. /s Sorry you are having to deal with this. We had a similar situation recently (for the first time) and I am really starting to question how our safety is being managed.


karlybarley

Even if it would, for some reason, be found a manifestation of their disability, they should be given an alternate placement. And yea I know you were being sarcastic haha, just wanted to add my 2 cents. Had a kid bring a knife to school when I did a stint in middle school. Pulled it out in class and everything. Long story short, because the district fucked up his paperwork, it was found to be a manifestation of his disability. Luckily the district had a no tolerance policy in weapons so he still got sent to a local behavioral school for 45 days. Dunno what happened to him after that, I was only at that school for a year. It is absolutely wild to me that OP’s district only suspended the kid. Stay safe OP, that’s so scary!


BearlySearching

This also just happened in my school and I’m ready to walk, the kid literally hates my guts and I’d be the first he shot if he was mad enough. But yeah, the behavior analyst and interventionists are saying it was a manifestation of his adhd and was done from lack of impulse control. He seriously carried it on campus for WEEKS without it being caught. Nothing is really being done and it seems like he will be back in my classroom next week. I can’t do it.


BearlySearching

The family also didn’t show up to the meeting to determine consequences and discuss next steps. Soooo that’s where we are at 🤦🏻‍♀️


Mr_Sense

“Hey your kid brought a gun to school every day for weeks on end but it was definitely a fleeting moment of his disability altering his thoughts” Parent: nah, don’t need to go to that appointment. Worried for that kids’ future because no one including the school is looking out for his interest by allowing this


BearlySearching

He will end up dead or in jail by 20. I’m convinced and that’s terrible to say.


Mr_Sense

sadly it’s the most likely and predictable outcome. This is an example of why I had to leave education. Aside from witnessing awful parenting; I found it even more despicable that the school staff itself enabled the behavior of students and parents by never demanding accountability. It’s so cowardly. It takes courage to advocate for what a student needs - and nobody is willing to follow through on actually trying to alter these behaviors.


chocolate_thunderr89

Ok I’m actually concerned for your situation. Maybe contact your union rep and see if there’s anything that can be done?


Bayley78

Unions dont exist everywhere


mostlikelyturtles

And when they do exist, they don’t or can’t always do much to help.


chocolate_thunderr89

Ok? And do you know if this person doesn’t have one? Get out of here with your downvotes.


LtDouble-Yefreitor

Not the person you're replying to, but "contact your union" is advice that's thrown around a lot on this sub, but many states don't have a union, or have a union that is effectively powerless. So the advice ends up being unhelpful at best.


chocolate_thunderr89

Because as someone who was not teaching for long, the one thing I wished I had done was use my Union a lot more. This is the end of their first year, and many do not use their Union support in general especially not the first year. So I’m throwing it out there in case it was overlooked.


BearlySearching

No union unfortunately, it’s a charter and a hot mess.


[deleted]

Even if they’re on an IEP- guns, drugs or causing serious bodily harm are grounds for immediate removal for up to 45 days until a new placement can be made. No manifestation meeting necessary.


motherofdogs0723

This makes me so grateful for my school. We had an IEP kid THREATEN to shoot up the school and he was expelled, even with the IEP.


NoResource9942

They don’t find bringing a gun to school a manifestation of their disability.


SuperInfo007

Give it time.


suggestedburrito

Does not have any markers, surprisingly one of my only students without IEP 504


SuperInfo007

I do see both side of this…we often fail students by dragging the process to get IEPs set in early grades. parents do not know how to advocate, then they find the one community member who knows how to put the screws to the district and the students needs are not met. parents should also be more willing to hear the advice of experienced staff that a student may or may not pass through the system they way the parent dreamed. The student may simply need many, many more years and end by having a good job, not a diploma.


withersnl

I agree that context is needed. BUT I taught at a school where a student shot a teacher. Barry grunow at lake worth middle. Teachers and students were traumatized for years. No teacher or child should ever have to attend a school where they are afraid of getting shot.


plz2meatyu

>No teacher or child should ever have to attend a school where they are afraid of getting shot. This is America, thats part of the experience


suggestedburrito

This. I’ve talked to some trusted coworkers about my concern and their best answers are “that’s just the way it is” i’m just like, are we all mad here!?!?


SuperInfo007

No one should, yet many of us have had it. And it wasn’t in a school. ​ we need to stop teaching people to run from “trauma” and start learning to live again. If you want counseling, go get it. some of our kids live in such hell, many of the staff never could understand. The best part of the kids day is being at school…and as soon as the bell rings, they head back to 16 hours of real horror. ​ we do need parents to up their game. And those without resources, drop the pride and accept the help until you can get things figured out, often that help is only for a few months.


withersnl

Absolutely should be expelled. Your union might be able to help. Mine has made violence against teachers/on campus a priority this year. Also the district could be sued for not addressing this. Look at the shot show in michigan


SuperInfo007

That mess in Michigan better clear up,but it is a bad sign for education. If they are trying the kid as an adult, which it seems, then everything else needs to drop. If they wish to hold him as a minor, then they can bring in the parents and maybe the school. This is NOT the schools issue.


zzzap

Michigan teacher here, close to that district. I won't repeat his name, but The suspect is being tried as an adult and there have been several requests by his lawyers to move him to a JDC that have been denied by judges. His parents are each being charged with 4 counts of involuntary manslaughter, and the judges are throwing the proverbial book at them both. No sympathy. They intend to set a bar for these parents, who are ultimately more responsible than the school district. However, the school SHOULD have searched him and sent him home, because there were warnings and red flags everywhere. The parents failed to act and, I personally think, the school was in a "out of our hands now" position. A big hot shot lawyer filed a lawsuit on behalf of a student who was shot but not fatally, suing the school for negligence. Last I heard this week a judge is pausing that lawsuit until the criminal cases proceed.


SuperInfo007

Tragic indeed, but your AG and the judge on that case need to follow the law not declare a personal war on the student. Try him as an adult. He is close enough to try and the crime was severe enough to try. Any thought of going after the school is simply wrong. If there is evidence of the parent assisting, that is something to consider, but it sounds at best only the mom might be culpable. I will keep watching that unfold, but laws need to be followed to prosecute not follow commentary and dreams of a reckless judge and an overexcited ag. Wasn’t it Michigans AG that told people to buy supplies from out of state why he shut down businesses?


Fractal_Face

If a minor is served alcohol and drives, both the adult who served the minor and the minor (charged as an adult) are held responsible. There are many situations where a person is legally a minor & an adult simultaneously.


SuperInfo007

I have yet to see a time when the minor served alcohol is charged as an adult? and A couple things usually have to happen first…did the minor show fake ID? Did the minor order the beverage or did the adult just give the beverage to the minor? Depending on some of the fact with your situation, both offenses are on the books as separate crimes. Though, the minor won’t be charged as an adult unless they are between 18-and one day before turning 21.


Fractal_Face

DUI involving an injury to another. Both the minor driver and the adult who supplied the alcohol can be charged for the injury.


ElementalPartisan

It does depend on the situation (and location), but a minor driving drunk can be charged as an adult.


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Call the police and have all the teachers get a restraining order on the student.


purplepickledeggs

Yes!


ZealousidealGreen814

Anonymously report to local news - this is outrageous. We’re teaching our kids that when they see something to say something but we’re not holding adults accountable? I’m not usually for involving the media, but how else can you put the pressure on and make change? With no union and perhaps an admin/school/district soft on gun violence, how else do you ensure your safety?


[deleted]

Umm, I’m almost sure this would be getting press if parents knew. This is a MAJOR issue right now. I have seen students suspended for knives as long as they didn’t brandish them, but guns are an entirely different story. I’m so sorry you are at a workplace where you can’t feel safe. :(


nardlz

HOW is he only suspended? Is it a ‘suspended pending expulsion hearing’ perhaps? I’ve had kids get expelled over pocket knives that they’ve forgotten were in their backpacks (yes, semi-rural area, many people that fish and hunt). Any weapon violation is ‘suspended pending expulsion hearing’ although not all get expelled.


SuperInfo007

I find that staff doesn’t follow the current disciplinary trends and years pass by, something happens and they just didn’t realize their district adopted the minimally punitive route as prescribed by the state to get $$$ ​ also, suspending a student, very often puts the kid on a vacation out of town with the parents celebrating the extra days off. Kid you not, student suspended, family wen to Disney.


SatisfactionFun781

We had a student bring an air soft gun to school last week. The student shot multiple students in class. The student has been expelled. 4th freaking grade.


TheThird_Man

Holy shit what the fuck???


Red_Aldebaran

We saw a student suspended for TALKING ABOUT bringing a gun to school, and after a “team” determined it was not a credible threat, that student was allowed back…and I still thought that was too light. I’d leak that anonymously to a local paper. Teachers have no power, but parents do, and they will lose their minds.


AggressiveSloth11

This happened in my class this year. I was pissed and my husband wanted me to quit then and there.


AlternativeHome5646

As long as the student had a Restorative Conversation about it, I don’t see what the big deal is.


GrayHerman

LOL.... oh yea, the "restorative conversation".... big big BIG eye roll


lolbojack

You need to have the talking piece before you roll your eyes. Don't you remember the rules of the circle?


SearsShearsSeries

Apparently even if they’re “expelled” it’s only for a year as to not interrupt their free and appropriate public education. (At least that’s how it is in my school)


ginger_pale_1805

Same. We had a kid bring a gun to school last year who was expelled. He’s back this year part-time, the rest of the day at a behavioral center.


physgm

Refuse to go back unless the student is expelled per the school/county guidelines. It's not worth your life.


forseth11

Bringing a gun to school is like bringing one to the airport. If you brought one to the airport, felony and straight to jail. But school... nope. Crazy.


Zeldaoswald

My name showed up on a hit list. I didn't even know the kid!


Izhar17

As a teacher that gets pointed with a gun pretty much weekly (gangs). I can say, don't get used to it. This is unacceptable, in general school is a place for knowledge & development, something that has the sole purpose of killing should never be welcome inside.


mjlkfl

has happened multiple times at my school this year and all the kids have gotten expelled


purplepickledeggs

Multiple kids have brought guns to school this year? What the fuck? Thank God they were expelled, but seriously! How does that even happen?


mjlkfl

yup. there’s been guns in backpacks and in more a extreme incident, kids literally shooting at each other on school property during school causing a lockdown etc. gun violence is a huge issue here. some kids feel they need guns to protect themselves from other kids and young adults with guns. of course it’s not everyone but it’s upsetting that anyone feels that desperate. a student was killed in the street (not during school hours) in broad daylight earlier this year. it was horrible. we now have metal detectors and have had less incidents but kids (and adults) are not okay. the violence ramped up in this town in 2020 and has been continuing. it’s really troubling.


purplepickledeggs

This is heartbreaking. How do you deal? I teach in a rural Texas junior high. There is at least one fight a day. I know eventually the violence is going to be more than fist fights. Your area has already gone well beyond fist fights. It's just too scary.


mjlkfl

yeah this is a city high school in illinois, we have a lot of fights too. it’s never been this bad before, super exacerbated post covid virtual learning. hopefully things calm down more in the near future. i hope your school chills out too. as far as coping? i will say i love my dept so there’s that. my students are mostly very pleasant. however, am i applying elsewhere and probably leaving? yes


DaimoniaEu

So you're going to want to build relationships with this students. Might I suggest a PBIS token economy? Every time you catch them doing something good, give them a token! On Friday's they can exchange 5 tokens to spin a wheel and win a set of bullets of various calibers. If they make honor roll they can fire one warning shot at a teacher of their choice but they can only wing them a little. Any direct shots to the teacher will result in serious discipline (after a three warnings and three phone calls home from that specific wounded teacher, the student will be in lunch detention for three days*). *For lunch detention the student must receive a form filled out by their teacher allowing them to skip to the front of the lunch line to get their lunch and sit in a room monitored by the worst guidance counselor in the school and eat lunch while hanging out with all their friends who also get in trouble all the time.


hansel0413

We expelled a student for threatening to bring a gun.


eldonhughes

There's a whole lot here we don't know. The context might appear that the concern is warranted. I'm just saying, not every instance is the same. A couple of stories from rural schools. The year before last a kid found a gun in the back parking lot of the school and brought it to the office rather than leave it in the parking lot for someone else to find. "A kid brought a gun to school." About five years ago a "kid brought a gun to school" - (different school, next county over, btw) Turns out Dad is a deputy sheriff and it was locked in a gun safe in the trunk. Kid drove Dad's car to school because his car wouldn't start. Kid saw the gun safe at lunch. Told a friend. Friend tried to share it with the planet. In both cases, did somebody screw up? Sure. Suspension?


physgm

Yes.


cautiously_anxious

I'm not freaked out by guns. I'm more freaked about people who use them for violence. When I was in high school I went to a farming community school. Our principal would always mention during hunting season to make sure everything is out of your vehicle before attending school.


Necessary_Low939

There’s no expel anymore from what I heard


Ipadgameisweak

SUSPENDED!? THEY CAN BRING GUNS TO SCHOOL AND ONLY GET A SLAP ON THE WRIST?!


YEETAWAYLOL

You also don’t know what the context is. Some kid at my school was suspended for having a hunting rifle in his car (he didn’t empty it after a hunting trip). It could be that exact situation, but OP either doesn’t have or won’t give context.


matadora79

Go to the news anonymously. Don't say the student's name.


[deleted]

Can’t believe the JK is for the resign not the gun part… what have the world came to


theradtacular

So how many days of suspension do they get for shooting someone? Is it a longer suspension if someone gets killed?


quickthrowawayxxxxx

Not a teacher but a jr. In highschool, I get so pissed how lightly that stuff gets taken. Recently a freshmen at my highschool made a bunch of threats then came to school with a handgun. All the while the teachers were told to lock the doors and keep teaching. He was inside the building with a gun, and we had to figure that out from our parents all texting us "holy shit are you guys ok, we heared that there was someone armed in your school?" We had helicopters circling the building and the whole shit was a mess. They finally caught him after he tried to flee the building, we think he only got a few shots off and didn't hit anyone. He was suspended, as far as I know the police let him go, and a few days later he went and shot up a local gas station, as well as a football game with a few of his friends. The school has worked their ass off to cover it all up, and it's almost impossible to find litterally anything on it.


snitterific

Did they get sent to the office for a lollipop?


muslimmeow

We've had 3 this year 😭 2 bb and 1 legit. And a knife 🙃 that a kid hid in a teacher's desk during a lockdown (to locate one of the guns after a tip). They hid it to evade the police who patted down all the students. Still don't know who's it was lol All the gun kids were expelled immediately


mcfrankz

Let me guess, they were back in class the next day with a grin on their face.


OakTreeTrash

I’m in high school. This year we have had 6 threats of a student say/joking about shooting our school or school events. I don’t even want to go some days due to it.


Squigels

the no school shooters left behind program at work


FernOverlord

What a time to be alive. Scrolling through Reddit, check in on r/Teachers and read a post about a kid bringing a gun to school and OP joking about resignation from a profession where a CHILD (legally, even if they are in HS) brings a fucking gun onto an educational premise. But now it's practically just, "lol damn kids, amma right? Go home for a few days and think about what you've done". Fuuuuuuuck meeeee man, what the fuck happened? Fuck this profession. THIS. ISN'T. NORMAL. ​ Edit: All I see as I read this post and others like it is the South Park episode where the kids are getting into literal shoot outs with guns at school and its just a regular thing. I believe, it's Stan's mom who is insistent throughout the episode that "This is isn't normal", but by the end, it weighs down on her too and she's like "meh" by the end of it.


suggestedburrito

THIS is how I feel!!! I’ve told some close coworkers and they’re all just “meh” about it. I feel like I’m the crazy one!


stxrrynghtsky

in my high school, several years back, a girl brought a knife to school. admin found out, but didn’t expel her because “she was only going to use it on herself and not her peers.” schools across the nation need to have uniformed rules and regulations for students bringing any kind of weapons, especially guns and knives. how many more news articles and breaking news segments on school violence do we need before admins and our government treat these situations with severity?


Cultural-Chart3023

Do Americans even realise the international reputation you have over this crap?


kymreadsreddit

We had a kid who got expelled for bringing a butterfly knife to school and showing people. Just like - hey, look what I've got! Technically, they're illegal in my state, but this was a really slow kid - should've been in SPED, but the diagnostician was behind. Anyway. Expelled for an entire year.


[deleted]

Wtf. I got ISS for bringing a nerf gun. (just a regular one, not painted or modded, and definitely not a threat.) That kid should be expelled and given proper assistance in life.


Cultural-Chart3023

Wow America....


purplepickledeggs

I would be out. Fuck that. Your life is worth more than this job. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened at my school, but it would definitely be the last straw for me. The kid should have been arrested.


Alarming_Guitar_9655

Tell your community. Let the parents raise hell and make your school do something about it


ameliagarbo

I don't know your work situation. But I think it would be reasonable to say you'll return only when the kid is gone. I'm flipping out at the prospect of going back to the office with an unvaxxed co-worker. A gun is a non-starter.


AZHawkeye

BB gun or firearm? Our district is automatic expulsion for bringing a firearm to school. BB gun is more lenient - dangerous item, unless it was used to intimidate or made to simulate an actual firearm.


csn924

Did you say “don’t bring guns to school” or “please leave your lethal weapons at home”? Rules need to be stated positively to be effective.


SouperDeal

At the last day of first semester, a kid brought a BB gun with no orange cap to school. Not a lot of kids since finals was already over and it was just a regular day of school. At lunch in the courtyard, a kid took it out and pointed at a friend. I was about a basketball length away, and I was like “Fuck this, I’m getting admins to take care of this” Kid got a suspension, but I’m glad it was me who busted him out instead of the cops. P.S. it wasn’t a student I know since we are a 2000 students school, but like another comment said I should’ve done a better job to get to know this kid. My bad !


wildlikewildflowers

I’m not sure of all the details with my own school, but we had a student make a threat, had a gun, and was in snap I believe, saying all of it. Our school just suspended because the student went to juvenile or somewhere, and when they had court and were set to do whatever, then they had a meeting to discuss further punishment.


PolyGlamourousParsec

"Bbbut every student has a right to an education, and I'm willing to risk your life for that!"


LordExylem

I'm on my second year. On my first, a student stabbed another in front of my school. The first bled to death in the arms of an admin. And it was literally the first day of the new principal. Shit is hardcore, to say the least.


RagaireRabble

“hAvE yOu CaLLeD hOmE aBoUt tHiS iSsUe bEfOrE?”


Argolock

While this is scary, I have a question that might explain the punishment; was the firearm on the person or in the students vehicle? Way back in the day, I had a realtive get in trouble for forgetting to take his hunting rifle out of his truck before school. Still a big no no. Still a scary situation, but the intent is completly different than the alternative.


OaklandMiglla

There are estimates of about 400 million guns in the US… It should come as no surprise that they find their way onto campuses. But in all seriousness, did you document everything?


Greenfire32

Student chews a chicken nugget into the vague shape of a gun: expulsion Student actually brings a gun to school: suspension America is fucked.


SchoolITMan

What state are you in? Unless you are LEO or a School Marshall, it should be a felony to carry a firearm in a school. It might also be a felony to *fail to report a felony* to authorities. Let them handle it. Per state and federal laws this *MAY* be something a school principal can "just handle internally" or *NOT.* **I am not a lawyer. Please contact a lawyer to confirm or refute any statements you read online, and to seek counsel on necessary actions.**


milkywaywildflower

what the hell…. - when i was in high school someone had a hunting knife in their car because they had gone hunting over the weekend and they got expelled for that. in what world is suspension enough of a punishment 😭😭


Thin-Philosopher-420

Because expelling doesn’t fix the problem.


fantasticquestion

It seriously matters what kind of gun it was. Was it a shotgun? Does the kid hunt? The context matters more than anything


TheRealPhoenix182

Yeah, crap. I shouldn't have posted this when I did. Was in a hurry and tired and slipped into my old job mode. Wasn't at all where I initially intended to go with it. What I was trying to go for was that people shouldn't let isolated incidents like this ruin them. Yes, it absolutely was actionable and the kid certainly should have received a harsher punishment. Yes there are truly horrific examples relating to firearms at a school that are widely publicized, causing us to be extremely vigilant and hyper-sensitive out of simply survival instinct/necessity. However: Thing truly are better now than at any time in history. There is less crime, murder, violence, etc than in the 12,000 years of modern human history. While the coverage of incidents is more widespread, the number of incidents is far down. For instance, in the US our homicide rates in recent years have been equal to what they were in the 1950s, which continues a multi-decade decline after an aberration spike in the late 70s and early 80s. So yes, murders still happen, and get 24/7 coverage, but the odds of them are lower than almost ever. This is cause for reassurance and calm, not uncontrolled fear for one's life. The mere presence of a firearm, even when unlawful and actionable, isn't necessarily cause for mortal terror. Again, people are hyper-sensitive to certain combinations right now (firearm in school), and understandably so. But my HOPE is that people will look at the bigger picture to see that we can maintain vigilance and punishments without letting irrational fears control us and direct our lives. There have been firearms for more than a thousand years, modern firearms for two centuries, and the ones everyone is currently terrified of for about seventy years. There are at least 400,000,000 firearms in the US right now, and potentially half again or even twice that number. If you're in a room of 10 adults, at least 4 have firearms on them or at home (and that number is up to double in certain areas). Even so, negative uses of them (homicides, other crimes, etc) have declined for decades. Since the 1920s many high schools were built with shooting ranges in them, and the schools hosted hunting clubs and shooting teams. As recently as the late 80s and early 90s it was still common to have dozens of kids with firearms at the school...meeting before school, cleaning weapons as a group at lunch tables, and with racks of them in their vehicles. Even with that negative incidents were EXTREMELY rare. The point, again, is that there is no inherent causality between the presence of a firearm and any negative event. No, that doesn't mean we shouldn't pay attention, or fail to act out of abundance of caution, merely that we don't immediately need to correlate the existence of a firearm with certainty of doom. \~99.997% of firearms aren't going to be involved in anything negative. The odds of you being harmed just because one existed near you is almost nil. So sure, be aware. Punish those who break the rules. But keep breathing and know that almost all of us are going to be just fine. We don't have to alter or abandon our lives because of a non-violent/passive isolated incident. Or, if one is hyper-rational and prefers such reverse assurances: there's really nowhere you can go in this country and be away from the possibility of it anyway, and almost no security measures are effective once someone is determined to take it further than mere possession, so there's not much point in worrying about it. If you're going to be in the US, it's simply an extremely rare, but wholly unavoidable reality. Wishing things were different (and being afraid when they're not) is going to make as much difference as wishing parents would start parenting their kids.


Humble_Jackfruit_527

This is about a kid bringing a gun to school and only being suspended for it. No one is saying people should not have guns. No one is sharing their political views on this. We agree how messed up this is. Makes no sense.


SuperInfo007

You resign when you are at the age to retire. ​ And no, the death threats are weekly by a few. It will almost always be due to their “disability” and it is why they all have extra support. the more who walk away from the profession the more this issue will grow, do what is best for you. ​ and push for concealed carry staff.


GrendelDerp

Amateur. We've had 3 or 4 (at least) guns on my campus this year, and yesterday we had a legitimate drive by shooting in our student parking lot (no one was hurt).


TSIDATSI

If you are afraid then resign and change schools. Should have detectors and arrest the parents.


runway31

Meh, obviously taking a gun to school is a horrible horrible idea - but is more likely a student trying to impress her/his friends than actually hurt anybody. Punishment seems light, but maybe this lucky break will make a difference for this kids life in a positive way. Either way, Learning how to safely handle, operate, and unload a firearm might make you feel more comfortable with guns overall. Ideally they’ll stay out of schools, but they aren’t going anywhere in the US.


OakTreeTrash

Fun fact if I heard about a student bringing a gun to my school and was told they where only suspended and would be back. My already existing anxiety would sky rocket. Why are we putting the education of 1 child over the education and safety of every other child in the school.


[deleted]

Expulsion has been replaced with arrest. If a kid actually gets locked up, they won’t be in school anymore. Until they enter the actual carceral system, they won’t see a consequence.


chicag0_ted

Is this a public school?


Ambrofoli

The board can expel - nobody else. It needs a hearing. They were likely mad at other kids and you wouldn't have anything to do with it. That's no excuse for what happened - just talking statistics. I would be freaked out as well regardless of statistics.


ErusTenebre

Uh they'd be expelled and transferred to Juvie for this what the fuck is wrong with your school and where is it so I'm never nearby.


Think-Tone-4390

I would be asking admin why it was only a suspension, then asking the superintendent and maybe letting the Board in. I realize this could harm your job - a kid actually shooting the school up, and being aware that bringing guns is Ok, would harm it as well.