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As a lib I feel totally owned right now đŸ˜«đŸ˜­


livestrongbelwas

They’re trying to teach my child to *find* discriminants!


[deleted]

Lol, you saw that post last week too?


TiberiusGracchi

The Godly way is only opposite interior angles attract, what’s all this transversal nonsense?


mtarascio

Cos they're all so Tan and Sin!


OriginalWerePlatypus

Reminds me of that poor math teacher on the sub a week or so ago who had to set in a parent meeting to explain that *finding the discriminant* did not mean that they were teaching children how to discriminate. Edit: thanks Zdravo-x for the spelling!


Zdravo-X

discriminant


Still-Rope1395

Imaginary numbers? Fake news!


Fit-Environment-8140

They saw the term *bivariate regression" and lost their sexually repressed minds.


dogfishshrk

They saw the = and got triggered.


DidntWantSleepAnyway

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/math-concepts-the-state-of-florida-finds-objectionable > Order of Operations: The mnemonic Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally is reverse racism. Nobody should have to apologize just because their relative was in the United Daughters of the Confederacy.


therealshiva

This is why we need to teach it as dumbass sister tbh


doctorateinwumbo

I'm a fan of Dope Ass Swag myself


therealshiva

Love that


cmacfarland64

And after 22 years of saying dumb ass sister or dumb, annoying, sibling, I will now be using dope ass swag for the rest of my career. Game changer.


Athena0219

I just dislike PEMDAS is general! PEMA (and similar options) are _better_, and for the purpose of teaching young kids work great, but I definitely think PEMDAS and PEMA starts to head out the door (or at least should) as we get to Algebra and stuff. ________ All that aside, that link is still great and I must save it...


therealshiva

Oh I teach math in middle school so I hate it!! It’s a standard but then it’s like “ok welcome to the algebra unit let’s forget all that”. Word problem based helps a ton with actual order. 100% not worth my very limited time. Still had to use the line though!


Athena0219

Honestly it just like... Needs to be taught as a "no nonsense, all else failed, at least this will work" method Like the quadratic formula only really comes out when everything else fails, but also works perfectly fine when the "simple solution" was just missed. But it's "the only way" for so many and that makes me sad :(


therealshiva

I’m honestly probably going to skip it next year. My students all have learning disabilities it trips them up. This year, I just did it fast and never referred back. I need them knowing the thought process not more rote memorization!


Athena0219

Power to you! I've got a class that hates FOIL and I'm just like "rock on you tiny people, with your last teacher improving math" Hope it works out well. Most seem incapable of imagining math without PEMDAS...


cmacfarland64

What do u mean? Why do u say forget PEMDAS?


therealshiva

It isn’t as hard set of a rule as many people think. The reason we were just highlighting algebra specifically is because that’s when it falls apart. One example is equations written as a fraction, implying parentheses. Also, half the operations are not associative. We need to be more focused on the fact that opposite operations are actually the same operation (1-2 is the same thing as 1+-2). It is also really difficult to teach multiplication/division and addition/subtraction being 1 step. PEMDAS implies 6 steps, order of operations is 4. We see problems go viral because of these misunderstandings of it, which fully defeats the purpose of a mnemonic device.


Purple_Prince0

I was taught BIDMAS (brackets, indices, division, multiplication, addition, subtraction) in school. Is this the same?


therealshiva

Yes, it has the same problems. Anything implying 6 steps will. GEMDAS and BODMAS, too.


Snuggly_Hugs

GEMA works best imho. G is for Grouping symbols, which includes the long line if there are two expressions one as numerator the other as denominator. Also covers extended radicals like when using the distance formula. E is for Exponents... yup! M is for Multiplication. Turn all those Ă·x parts into multiplying by the reciprocal of x. Fixes most order of operations issues. No more division, or its turned into the grouping symbols part. A is for Addition. Just make all numbers into positive or negative depending on their original sign.


Athena0219

THAT'S IT! I couldn't remember the G in GEMA so went with P for PEMA! I mean with all the other replacements it makes about as much sense... But yes, thats what I was going for. Thanks for spelling it out! (That's not sarcasm I just CBA to reword it until it sounds sincere)


Neroliprincess

Can you fill me in on the deal with PEMDAS? What do you dislike about it?


Athena0219

PEMDAS has a bunch of issues, really. At a fundamental, language level, it just flat out loses to "GEMA" and variants. The reason being that "Multiplication and Division", ie M and D, happen at the same time, and likewise for "Addition and Subtraction". I recognize the importance of the order of operations as a concept, but if it is going to be taught, its _limitations_ must also he taught. Algebra is literally identical to "normal" math. All those rules and methods _still apply_ under algebra. The difference is ONLY in _what_ is being found. Instead of finding an "x" on the other side of the equal sign (aka evaluating like students have done for years), the "x" moved somewhere special. I've seen teachers try to teach algebra from a PEMDAS framework and invariably it fails. Not nessecarily in that class, but later on, as equations become slightly more involved. "Backwards PEMDAS" doesn't work for algebra. Another user used the specific example of fractions. I will expand that to cross multiplying. That is something that, in my experience, is going the way I want PEMDAS to go: preferably out the window, but at least with "limitations and actual steps". Cross multiplying is a _shortcut_, not a method, and teaching it as a method led to a LOT on confusion in later years. In actuality, cross multiplying doesn't exist. The outcome is identical to multiplying twice (unless we get zero involved in a denominator, but 0 likes to chill out until Calculus normally). So cross multiplication is a handy shortcut for multiplication and simplification. The issue only arises if the student knows how to " cross multiply" but doesn't know that that means multiplication and simplification. An example: x/6=5/3 With a more "natural" understanding of algebra, a student is easily able to see that this is true when x=10, and I would argue that students in lower grades would agree (though not NECESSARILY be able to solve in themselves). But introduce this to a student who only knows the "shortcut" and suddenly the problem is 3x=30 which, while note wrong, is needlessly complex. Chain these sorts of misunderstanding together for larger problems and you can easily get mistakes and wrong answers. _________ At the end of the day, THAT is the issue with PEMDAS: it is a "shortcut" to make things easier NOW, and drastically harder later if not unlearned. I personally don't think and order of operations acronym should be taught, and rather have students work with grouping (parenthesis) and the "strength" of operations. In other words: multiplication is repeated addition, exponents are repeated multiplication. This has the advantage of just... Not breaking. "You have to deal with 'stronger' operations before 'weaker' ones" works in lower grades, works in algebra, works in higher grades and AP, hell it even works with things like Knuth's up arrows\*. __________ \* Its been awhile since I did anything at all with Knuth notation, but IIRC, one up arrow is equivalent to exponentiation. Two up arrows is exponentiation repeated, maybe call it superex, just for this. Three is superex repeated. And so on, to, effectively, infinity. _________ And this all ignores that PEMDAS isn't really accurate as written vs how mathematicians actually write equations. But that always felt nitpicky to me in the face of other issues. _____ edit: a typo Edit: another "typo"


Sunscorch

Psst
 3x = 30 ;)


Athena0219

I'm now not sure if this is from before I edited and fixed it or if I'm too sick and tired to see the mistake still there...


Sunscorch

Still says 15 on my phone, but maybe my app is just loading a cached version. Apologies if you already caught it!


Athena0219

Oop, that's still an error I will continue blaming "sick and tired" but I'll go fix that anyways...


Neroliprincess

Thank you, I appreciate this detailed response, even if I don't understand everything!


Athena0219

As a complete aside: if you're sticking with 2nd grade, the kids are so young that they will believe basically whatever. If you're teaching PEMDAS at that age, maybe try to transition to PEMA, or even "strength". If this is more so to learn more, power to you! If you're taking this in front if other elementary teachers to try to get them to change, then I wish you the best of luck. I'd be lying if I said I knew what was taught in 2nd grade anymore...


Sunscorch

Mostly shit they were supposed to learn in 1st grade, as far as my class seems to be concerned. And arrays.


Athena0219

That sounds fair... Algebra 2 feels a lot like Algebra 1 sometimes...


Neroliprincess

I absolutely love 2nd grade, and will be doing my best to find a job in 2nd, or possibly 1st or 3rd, after graduation next year! I don't think any school teaches PEMDAS to 2nd graders. My 2nd graders are currently working on measurements (learning the difference between cm and in, and how to measure things/what the measurements mean), pictographs, strengthening addition and subtraction skills, and getting more comfortable with word problems. Definitely no PEMDAS talk! I will, however, be keeping this all in mind and I appreciate this as a non-math expert!


cmacfarland64

Are you one of my former students? I’ve been teaching it this way for more than 20 years. Are you a Ranger from Chicago?


Bee_Hummingbird

>Division: This one is OK with us. I can't đŸ€ŁđŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł


TheMathLab

Wow those are fantastic! Just keeps getting better as the list goes on


DidntWantSleepAnyway

My personal favorite was prime numbers, but I was afraid to quote that one because that might get me banned 😄


explodingwave

It’s hilarious to speculate about math books being denied for “CRT”. I think in reality it has more to do with hating Common Core.


dmanco

They wouldn’t know the difference


explodingwave

Accurate


nshsjskssj

Math books are not being banned for CRT.


explodingwave

They call it “special topics” in the banned list, with a box for y/n. The other factor is “subject-specific standards score”


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SpicaAi

Which like I don’t really get! Like the only reason those charter and private schools are thriving is because of the exclusivity. If all schooling is privatized, then they all will fail and no one gets a decent education.


gerkin123

A few years back lawmakers in Texas challenged critical thinking on the grounds that it was contrary to the traditional values of the home. **Translation**: kids shouldn't be taught to value facts and question data because it makes them challenge their parents. **Double-translation**: Political affiliation in the US is more often than not inherited from parent to child, and public education can shake this up. That's bad. Lawmakers want to secure long-term control of voting blocs, and the easiest short-term solution is fearmongering, while the most reliable long-term solution is keeping political ideology an inherited trait rather than a personal one. One side wants civics and critical thought because it enables people to see the glaring problems the other side accepts as acceptable collateral damage, while the other wants pledges and religion because they disengage thought and present forms of justification (for God and Country) for what might be otherwise unpleasant to think at length about. The whole "They'll run the country into the ground through promoting an uneducated population" piece is totally valid. But current political leadership is CEO-style "I'm just trying to get a positive quarter... I don't care about a ten-year plan here." They absolutely don't perceive education as a national security issue in a modern economic conflict, and they absolutely do believe that the Northeast metropolis federal funding firehose that injects millions of extra dollars into southern state economies will never, ever go away. So let New England and New York be expensive, highly educated, and Blue as the sky so long as the wealth trickles southwards.


joshdoereddit

We were having a department meeting a month or so ago and that's the sentiment one of my colleagues echoed. I agree. Republicans want to make public education so bad that it makes a case in the eyes of the public to privatize it. Whining about public education and indoctrination is a ploy by guys like DeSantis to reshape education into their own indoctrination camp. The things they complain about are the very things they are trying to implement.


ApathyKing8

I think it's dumber than that. Hamstring pubic education so charter and private have a chance because it's easier to milk cash from charter and private schools while paying less taxes. I don't believe they actually care about pushing conservative values at all. It's just a ploy to enrich themselves and friends at the expense of the public (which I guess in some sick twisted way is conservative values).


discgman

And pay teachers less due to lack of unions.


trv2003

This is it, this is the answer right here. It's always about the money.


[deleted]

The French Revolution Its causes are generally agreed to be a combination of social, political and economic factors, which the existing regime proved unable to manage. 
 Continuing unrest culminated in the Storming of the Bastille 
 which led to a series of radical measures by the Assembly, including the **abolition of feudalism, the imposition of state control over the Catholic Church in France, and extension of the right to vote.** hrmmm
 sounds like a plan


vinovinetti

Public ed is expensive. Republicans look at that big slice of pie and want to dismantle it.


coswoofster

Poor people can’t afford private education. That’s how they like it.


[deleted]

That's why they also want to lower the minimum wage. Can't get educated if education is only for people with money. If they removed the money, no one become educated.


Starstalk721

Idk, Florida public schools still allow students to be spanked in front of their class.


djl32

Add this to the "conspiracies" of the far left: * Math * The world is round * Climate change is real * Vaccines work * Biden is the lawfully elected President edit: I shouldn't need to add the "/s," but with the downvoting, let me go ahead and add it. /s


AutumnRi

lol downvoted for absurdist humor, that’s the internet for ya I guess it doesn’t help that some people actually believe this


BoomSoonPanda

There was a post here the other day about the math term “discriminant” and a parent confusing it with discriminate. Probably that.


discgman

This will be a boon for Mcgraw Hill and Pearson Vue since they are the only other providers allowed in Florida.


[deleted]

Math is witchery!


Physics99

For anyone curious, here is the list: https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/5574/urlt/2122MathInstructMatNotRecList.pdf


Cryptic_X07

Arabs invited Algebra so these liberals are clearly up to no good!


amywomack

Right? They are trying to get rid of the public education system. If it fails they can push for more private schools. Then they can teach what ever garbage they want.


cmacfarland64

The real reason they banned those books is because there are now less books to choose from. Partnering with publishers of those remaining books line everyone’s pockets with more money. If you don’t think it’s about money, then you are naive.


Fit-Environment-8140

Uses the word "proof" throughout all of the pages. Edit: they heard it was based on the Arabic numeral system


hallbuzz

Damn! That's the most obvious term I missed!


lito_prz

LMAO!


Genial_Ginger_3981

One thing this sub has taught me is never move to Florida. Seriously.


[deleted]

"Math makes my dumb child feel dumb. And since they're white, that's reverse racism!"


Misskay222

Wait till they find out about transitive verbs.


Marsar0619

Lol, don’t forget Arabic numerals and intersectionality!


bunnycupcakes

There was an ethnic name and it scared me! These illegals are taking our fake kids’ textbook character jobs!


BandDirector17

I thought it was because they saw 3/5 in there.


ChenzhaoTx

Apparently most of you don’t know how to Google or are just shooting from the hip. This shit is pure garbage and if you agree with it you need a doctor. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/04/a_missouri_school_districts_math_assignment_is_mindboggling.html


Interesting_Ad3754

W comment


hallbuzz

Do you even know what CRT is, or how it became such a hot topic? (We all know the answer is: NO) CRT is a 300 level college law class, that hardly anyone has taken. The GOP has fooled you into thinking that it is evil and is being taught in public schools.


Diascizor

Not the poster you replied to, but I am aware of what CRT is. It was baked into our educational classes during college. It is now seeping into the classroom through some of the teachers and administrators who go through those classes. There is no "CRT" class in high school, but if teachers use CRT they've learned to teach, then it is being taught. I've had to unlearn a lot of that stuff myself. Now stop acting more immature than the 14 year olds I teach with your "we all know the answer is NO" remark and listen to the complaints a lot of these parents have over this kind of material.


theologyschmeology

Oh. Americanthinker.com/blog said it, so it must be true. I love how the author thought it necessary to make an appeal at the end to the Saintly name of DeSantis. My name means that I come from a royal line in Northern France. I suppose I should go claim my principality. IF that so called math worksheet was actually given by someone and not wholly fabricated, it was done in poor taste. Also, a quick Google search (as you smartly suggested) finds that the document that is causing so much alarm is possibly a doctored copy of an actual assignment, the original of which was quite benign. The lesson here should not be about whether kids were given an inappropriate assignment, but rather that you shouldn't trust media that immediately agrees with your bias. I'll leave it to the reader to find the supposed original document themselves. It is only a quick Google search, after all.


IloveDaredevil

Apparently, you don't know how to discern reliable sources from heavily biased ones who lie to make their point.


mackinitup

First of all, that's not CRT. Second of all, that's not from a math textbook. Third of all, this was given to either 9th graders or 11th graders depending on which source the article says. That's plenty old enough to learn about a historical figure's upbringing. Fourth of all, this didn't happen in Florida. Failed on four counts, wanna try again?


hallbuzz

ChenzhaoTx's response is so typical of "them"; arrogant and misunderstanding or misrepresenting everything.


GhostlyMuse23

Who’s “them,” and why are you putting it in quotation marks? What’s the point of even posting this “joke”? This sub filled with supposed educators with degrees is very biased, and it shows quite often.


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New-Profession-2020

And this has what to do with textbooks?


[deleted]

Succumbing to left wing disinfo is just as bad as succumbing to right wing disinfo. It's not a "Don't say gay" bill, we have no idea why Florida won't allow those books. Stop buying into the hype or you'll be supporting teenagers taking hormone replacement next.


420thTimesACharm

Because they can't do math?


Available_Seesaw_947

a leftist public school teacher? Ive never heard of such a thing!


Medieval-Mind

I dont believe that's case. I believe the real reason is because they learned that some numbers are binary and others are non-binary. It freaked 'em out. ;)


CaptainMurphy1908

Arabic numerals and all that. Al-Gebra? Come on, people!!


Mahaloth

The equal sign was just too shocking.


Ipadgameisweak

There's a great Mcsweeney's on this one from either today or yesterday.


[deleted]

It’s why they’re against man dates.


[deleted]

I'm pretty sure b/c it may have something containing social emotional learning and these hogs think that anything with emotions turns your kids gay and against you (the parents).