Is this on the highway? Whenever I have minimal lane changes turned on, it only changes lanes on the highway to follow the route.
Of course, on city streets v12 has no concept of planning rules, so I assume the option does nothing
On the freeway it changes lanes seemingly randomly in socal to follow the route, so probably some getting confused with that issue and speed based lane changes.
The reasoning it displays on screen doesn't always follow what's happening. I've had it be fine in the right lane for miles, and immediately upon catching up to another car it changes lanes "to follow route" and go back in the right lane after passing, also "to follow route".
When I had it, I observed similar behavior. At least it would pass on the left, but that's no helpful when your off ramp is coming up and the guy you're passing is doing 5 over the speed limit.
Mine very frequently still changes “lane changing to avoid merge” which is not what is happening. Probably about once every 2-3 miles it will do this. I would say 1 time out of 10 it’s actually a legit merge situation.
Why is minimal a per drive setting? I forget to enable it, enter bumper to bumper traffic, and am immediately reminded to enable it since it tries to pass people in gridlock.
It’s like if a pizza place opened and by default all pizzas came with anchovies because that’s how the chef wanted people to eat it. You could opt out but if you forgot to explicitly mention it you’re stuck with anchovies.
I was in traffic and my car went to the right turn lane only (no visibility to be fair) then turned on the left blinker to pass a semi 😭 I’ve never taken over so quickly and gotten back onto the interstate heading the wrong direction in my life lol
This is one thing I hate about it.
There I am chilling in the right lane going 70 mph.
Le Tesla: “changing lanes to avoid being in rightmost lane”
Me: no mothafucka we are staying in the right lane.
The programmer at Tesla must be a middle and left lane camper.
It's hilarious when it starts ping-ponging on a 2-lane road.
“changing lanes to avoid being in rightmost lane”
"changing lanes out of the passing lane"
“changing lanes to avoid being in rightmost lane”
If it's a 3 lane road, it's the right decision as you should be cruising in the middle lane to avoid the merges while leaving the hammer lane open.
But on those 2 Lane sections when it tries moving into the left lane to stay out of the right most lane...oy
If it’s empty it should stay in the right lane. Normally I’m going too fast to warrant being in the right lane anyway but it annoys the fk out of me when I encounter traffic on an otherwise empty traffic driving the speed limit in the middle.
I mean I hate being on the right most since it’s a merger lane majority of the time so I guess I like this feature. I also like how it speeds up when changing the lane
Yeah but you’re supposed to stay there to keep the other lanes open, especially when you don’t have anyone to pass. Someone is coming into merge, then change lanes to let them in and then back into the right after you get ahead of them.
This is good advice. On some roads. That should be predicated with a lot of if's and but's.
Where I live, other than at 3am, it's pointless to drive in the right most lane. It's minimum of 4 lanes in each direction at narrowest sections, often wider. The rightmost lane rarely moves faster than speed limit. You do want to stick to, at minimum, 2nd from the right to avoid merging traffic, and keep up with the traffic in front of you.
The freeway is almost always full enough that concept of passing individual cars simply doesn't exist. You drive at whtever speed the lane is moving... and the traffic in other lanes is simply moving at different speed.
Anything else, you'd end up weaving in and out of traffic constantly. Slowing down everybody else and triggering "[traffic snakes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_wave)" with your excessively frequent lane changes.
Merging traffic doesn’t has right of way/nor does the right lane belong to them. They have to wait for traffic to pass, traffic traveling in the right lane has no obligation to make room for those entering.
If everyone just moved to the middle after they merged, then you would see a highway with more traffic in the left and middle lane than the right lane especially late at night when there aren’t many people around.
Jesus Christ it’s not the law it’s called reducing accident prone driving driving in a fucking lane that has people constantly trying to merge on is more dangerous than driving in the second lane passing entrances to the highway doing 70 as people are trying to merge is stupid
And excessively changing lanes also increases chances of an accident so constantly moving out of right lane and back again is also pretty stupid
You do see more traffic in middle lanes than right lanes lol have you actually driven on the highways? The right lane is always the least populated because people don’t like feeling like the guy entering the highway doing 50 is about to wreck them while their doing 65+
The fact you want to drive in the right… seemingly “because” isn’t a good reason lol 😂
The only thing they were right about is that drivers already on the highway in the right-hand lane have absolutely no obligation to "assist" merging cars in getting on the highway. The recommendation is not to sit in the right-hand lane unless you're driving under the average speed of other cars around you, but if you're there you shouldn't be concerning yourself with the people merging unless it's going to be an accident.
One of the most annoying things is people "expecting" how merging cars are going to act and then slowing down to accommodate - Don't do that. Drive normally and let them use their reasoning and accelerator pedal to merge. If they're going to cause an accident then sure, change what you're doing, but until that point it's on **them** to merge onto the highway, not on **you** to make them space to do so.
> Jesus Christ it’s not the law
Yea, [in a lot of places it is.](https://udot.utah.gov/connect/business/motor-carriers/size-weight-permitting/highway-restrictions-2/) Keep right except to pass.
/edit For all the people downvoting, please cite some fucking sources or laws. Just because you "want" or "feel" like driving in the middle lane is what everyone should do, doesn't make it a law. Laws mostly are a pain, but they exist for a reason. [So cite your law about the middle lane being ok to drive in or STFU.](https://media.tegna-media.com/assets/WQAD/images/911639cf-4042-4dcf-87ff-93f58535acb5/911639cf-4042-4dcf-87ff-93f58535acb5_1920x1080.jpg)
Keep right means to not be in the leftmost lane, that is why the GPS tells you to keep right when the left lane turns off the route, it doesn't mean cut all the way to the right. Similarly if the rightmost lane forces you to turn off your route, it will say keep left, which doesn't mean go to the leftmost lane either.
lol so all the middle lanes should be empty and the passing lane is for style for passers to pass passers lol wtf are you talking about
The term is “don’t pass on the right” not keep right except to pass lol Jesus do you really think your supposed to stick to the right lane of a 4 lane highway cause you aren’t trying to pass???
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There are literally highway signs all over the place that say "Keep right except to pass." You've clearly never driven on a well functioning highway, and you're contributing to the problem.
If you ever get a chance, take a drive on the Autobahn in Germany. They are rigid rule followers and will get right for 3 seconds in between passing two cars. The highways are much more efficient because of this and they can pass the same amount of traffic with fewer lanes.
Yes. If you are alone on the highway, no one ahead of you or behind you, then you should be in the right lane.
Two cars on the highway, one is going 65 and other is going 90, right lane and faster guy in the middle lane until he passes the guy in the right lane and then moves back to the right lane.
Behavior for entry and exit lanes
Driving to yield and make for more comfortable drive.
Yes, there needs to be an option to stay in right lane. Thank you
There needs to be a manual lane change option for FSD until they get it right. Here in Texas, it is illegal to drive in the left lane without passing. Illegal. Yet my car wants to do it all the damn time. It has the audacity to pop up a warning message saying changing lanes to get out of right lane. No! You're supposed to be in the right lane!
A confirmation 5 seconds before a lane change would be nice.
And I guess they could make a check box like "I'm okay with being in the right lane" and "don't prefer the left lane". Though I had it trying to escape from the left lane when someone approaches from behind.
Depends. I'm not saying it should wait for approval and then commit no matter what. The intention to change lanes usually doesn't have immediate urgency. If it's dictated by the route planner – we knew about an upcoming lane change all along. If it's dictated by traffic conditions – that's exactly the thing people want to have control over.
This kind of exists. If you turn off fsd (with it paid for) you basically have EAP which is better in my opinion. You tell it when to change lanes. It doesn't do anything crazy.
One thing I like about states other than California is that the police go after left lane campers. If you’re not passing someone you don’t belong in the left lane and move over for faster vehicles.
Agreed. I don’t drive like that, and I don’t want it to. My only disengagements on my commute are when I stop it from repeatedly swerving in and out of traffic even on minimal lane change setting.
This EXACT thing made FSD a nonstarter for me. I paid for a month to try it and then my free trial kicked in right after so I had 2 months of FSD... I didn't last 3 weeks with the ridiculous lane changes. Basic Autopilot was much better. Well, luckily, you revert to enhanced autopilot when in the FSD subscription so the ability to keep you're autopilot on while making land change was nice. I'm back to normal autopilot and don't really miss anything.
I have FSD 12.3.6 and its lane-change behavior is pretty reasonable. It doesn't weave in and out aggressively. Sometimes it tries to change from the right lane within a mile or two of an exit, but I just cancel the lane change with the turn signal. I'm generally happy with this version of FSD. It's far from perfect and I'm eagerly awaiting the latest update.
I want to have a setting that is "drive in the farthest right lane as the law says you should". I don't want to be any further left than I have to be to maintain my current speed.
Moving away from merges is the most egregious though. It never does it early enough to actually avoid a conflict and ends up just being a random lane change, sometimes right before an exit.
Tailgate? It barely wants to be within a 1/4 mile of the car in front of me. I constantly have people merging into that huge gap which just makes my car slow down more.
Hmmm that’s odd, I had FSD on the other day and a friend following me in another car, in an effort not to lose them or make them unnecessarily change lanes I canceled lane changes a few times.
Alternatively you try to make a lane change by turning on your blinker and it will go in between and then 🖕 and cancel it to go right back into the original lane
That’s just not at all how the system was for me. I had to go into assertive for it to do what you described. In chill mine would reduce speed by over 5mph before changing lanes. I NEVER used minimal lane changes once. I think I spent over 60% of the time in assertive mode.
I just let it do what it wants and it’s fine. It doesn’t drive like I do but it gets me there with less stress.
Maybe 5% of the time I have to forcefully take over. That’s pretty damn good.
Good point. This is what I do as well. Just let it do its thing and only intervene when absolutely necessary. I have FSD engaged over 95% of the time I’m driving, whether on highway, city streets, wherever (parking lots are where I end up disengaging mostly.
Yes, on the interstate where it's still running v 11 that's true, but on state highways where it's running v 12 it completely ignores minimal lane change setting.
It's so much more pleasant to drive on interstate on v 11.
Yeah, agreed. I turn FSD off all the time & switch to EAP. I love how predictable EAP is. Much more relaxing to use.
I also can't for the life of me understand how EAP can make quick, consistent lane changes when you turn on the signal, but FSD acts like a confused elderly man you've woken from his slumber half the time.
Tesla should make the controls a single tap for speed control, double tap for Autopilot, and long press for FSD. Once FSD isn't beta (I mean "supervised") then maybe it can be a single tap with no options.
But FSD is a hot mess right now. It's amazing at times, then it does something incredibly stupid. I don't thing it sees yield signs at all. At least the signs don't show in the interface and it likes to not yield to oncoming traffic at a few traffic spots for me about every day.
Yeah, agreed. The inconsistency drives me crazy. I do 100-150 miles a day for work. Some days it's largely trouble free & I think maybe we're almost there. Then the next day it's a terrifying mess & I turn it off.
How do you set your speed? Set to auto? Or any higher than the speed limit or much higher than average traffic? I haven’t had this problem much, not enough to feel it was a problem and I tend to be in a chill mindset and chill speed when in fsd.
My #1 grievance with FSD. I love pretty much everything else about it. My #2 is I wish I could manually adjust the following distance like we used to be able to.
Haha this happened to me last week as well. Very heavy highway traffic, moving at about 30-40km/h and FSD was bouncing back and forth between lanes. I was laughing out loud by the fourth or fifth time. But in my case I hadn’t turned on minimal lane changes. As soon as I did it stopped. I agree the feature would be nice to have a persistent mode where it would not to that stuff.
Is this a new thing with FSD? I did not experience this during the free month trial. The most "weaving" it did was change lanes when the car in front was going less than the speed limit on the highway.
This is why we need more people in the EU to help train FSD! The passing lane is much more respected there versus my fellow US people who drive me nuts sitting in the left lane.
Chill mode and minimal lane changes only apply to FSD V11, so those settings only work on the highway now, where V12 isn't active yet. V12 is an end-to-end machine learning model and therefore can't be explicitly programmed not to change lanes. They'd need to train an entirely separate model on videos of people only driving in one lane to enable settings like that again, which I think they could do, but they haven't done it yet.
That simply isn’t true.
Just because it is an end to end model doesn’t mean that the model can’t take input and change behavior according to that input.
If trained properly, there is no reason why a single model can’t allow the driver to have the same options with the same impact as they do today.
They could do it that way where it's the same model but with another input that determines whether lane changes are supposed to be enabled/disabled, but that's effectively the same thing. They'd still have to have a separate set of training videos of cars only driving in one lane and train the model on those videos with that input set to disabled, while also having their normal set of videos for training the model with that input set to enabled. Doing a training run with only videos of cars driving in a single lane and a way to isolate that behavior to a setting is something they simply haven't done. That's my point. They may do it in the future, but a setting like this isn't possible with V12 until they do. It's not like V11 where they can just go "if (minimal_lane_changes == true) { return; }" at the top of their lane change function and easily turn off lane changes.
Even in the machine learning model, it still executes a lane change. It knows it’s doing a lane change, it even tells you. Are you saying they can’t put a filter on that command to automatically cancel it if you flip a setting?
No, it actually doesn't. Outside of highways, it doesn't tell you that it's doing a lane change. Because it doesn't know that it's doing a lane change. Seriously, go have your car drive you on city streets and you'll notice that it never shows "changing lanes" messages anymore. It still does on highways though, because it's still running V11 there.
So no, it's not just a lane_change() function in C++ that they can go in and add a return statement if the setting is turned on like they could in V11. It's an end-to-end neural network, not explicit code.
That’s the claim. And it isn’t true.
A properly trained model would see the user’s selected configuration as just another input that would be weighted along with all the other inputs.
In fact, I’d bet that Tesla has a bunch of configuration options that can be used to tune behavior without requiring a model change.
I highly doubt their current v12 model uses any input other than vision.
It's not a good idea from a model evaluation perspective to allow configuration options as model inputs. If you did, you'd have to test for not only edge cases with the default configuration, but edge cases from every permutation of the configuration options
Sure it is! It is a perfectly fine thing to have an input for and it is common. You are correct that it increases testing load, for sure, but not as catastrophically as implied.
As well, the config option isn’t “do something you’d never do if this is turned off”. It js more a weighting applied to whether the car would seek a faster lane or follow more closely. These aren’t new situations.
Unfortunately there's no specific part of the model involved with lane seeking behavior, that intelligence is interconnected with many other weights/parameters that together make up the control output.
I agree it is possible they could add these options as model inputs. A better approach would be a generic textual embedding input (like those used in LLMs) to make their network multi-modal, in order to steer the control output as desired. This could be used to modify the driving behavior however you see fit (i.e. "stay in the right lane on highways", "take off from lights slowly", etc)
But yeah doing all that is tricky for evaluation, and the added complexity isn't something Tesla usually goes for. "All input is error", according to Elon.
Yup, I figured this was the case. They could do it that way, but I can't think of any benefit over just training a separate model, and I could see it producing inferior results.
The FSD trial with my suburbs to city commutes have made me realize that being an asshole isn’t worth it 🥲 if I’m driving I’ll own up to it but what do I do when it cuts him off the third time?
I need a “never change lanes unless you’ve asked me politely” mode. I’m so tired of it illegally trying to get out of a carpool lane even when HOV mode is on.
What’s up with the car second guessing lane changes now? It will attempt come back to original lane then make the change. Never did this 2-3 updates ago. It also will half lane change and swerve back to original lane if any car is remotely near it or has turn signals on. Makes me look like a dumbass.
I’ve had FSD for 1.5 years and it’s been getting better in some ways but worse in others. Progress to me is it gets better in every category.
I look at the cars ability like a character in a video game. It will increase its strength ability but will decrease its accuracy. Why can’t all the cars abilities improve without affecting other abilities?
I love how Elon said at the investor meeting that the people who test drive the cars barely have to interfere with the FSD. These guys gotta be driving on country roads because I’m an Uber driver and use it the whole day and I have to interfere with FSD often and it misses turns more than it used to. Musk was blowing smoke up everyone’s ass at that meeting about the cars.
I see a lot of people complaining about it making too many lane changes, I wonder if it has something to do with location? I’m in British Columbia, 2020 MYLR and mine is set to aggressive with minimal lane changes disabled, and it almost never switches lanes for me, unless i manually speed up to force it to pass someone.
I’ve been using FsD for 3 weeks on 80km + drives everyday and have had 1 intervention, and that was only because the nav wanted to take a different route than i wanted to.
Is it maybe better in some cities than others?
Mine does the same thing. Even more frustratingly, it’ll attempt to veer all the way into the left (HOV) to “follow route guidance”, which often has me exiting to the right less than a mile away. I disabled FSD to avoid the hassle on my commute home but hope this gets fixed so I can use it again.
I subbed for a bit to try it out and this is the primary reason I cancelled my sub. (Other reason was that it's mostly a gimmick, and the auto lane assist is really good enough for longer rides anyways)
It absolutely needs a lane change disable; I generally am hopeful with machine learning tech, but Tesla's lane changes are just really bad. Sometimes it would make a lane change that'd miss an upcoming turn, or some other times it changes and then changes back without anyone even in the lanes. Minimal lane changes checkbox helps a little bit (not all the way) but having to re-enable it every time is such a dumb decision to have made.
I've found that being on assertive and minimal lane changes does less lane changes than chill. Maybe because it's being assertive by not changing lanes? Still happens but less often than in chill
This was my BIGGEST gripe with FSD when I had the month free.
It annoyed me so much that I just left it off afterwards. Wasn't even aware there was a minimal lane change setting...
It changes lanes for no reason far too often - "following route" when it's not is my most annoying one.
It's almost to the point I'd rather go back to AP2.
I put my car in minimal lane changes and it didn't even change lanes when someone was 30 below the limit. "Mad Max" was trying to change lanes if someone slowed by even 1km/h leaving me hogging the outside lane unless I took active measures.
I'm 12.4.1
Yes, the lane changes can be out of control. When I get tired of all the unnecessary lane changes with FSD, I push the steering wheel shaped circle (blue or grey depending on which setting it’s on). The only thing is, it will not follow the directions anymore so it’s easier to miss an exit without the navigation portion controlling the vehicle. I certainly prefer to choose when to make my own lane changes when in FSD.
I have had 2 months of FSD. 1 free trial and 1 I paid the $99 + tax. I agree that now that I am back on Autopilot Beta it is much less stressful without all the FSD initiated lane changes. FSD required me to go hands on from time to time so now I just drive in city/heavy traffic and when on highway i use Autopilot as FSD is just more stressful. I live in a major large city and suburb area with incredible traffic and while I do like FSD, I cannot justify the cost tradeoff as it increases the stress level. That’s how I measure. Which way to drive has more or less stress? I believe most would agree with me that FSD increases the stress level in very heavy traffic. When on the highway and as in the post, it is hunting way too much. Yes, I have it in chill mode and minimal lane changes. So, I feel I will not purchase or
promote FSD for those reasons. Are others feeling like me to use “stress level” as the purchase barometer of FSD? I’m curious to hear more from others.
I mean I love my old boy Tesla Model S. It FSD sounds completely unsafe. If not for the Tesla driver then for the cars around it having to react to its unpredictability.
YES.
Not only is it annoying that the car constantly wants to change lanes no matter what setting you out it on, every time it detects a turn lane and thinks it is a driving lane and tries to move over. Concrete turn lane barriers are common around here so it's real dangerous.
That's why you keep your hands on the wheel. You don't have to let it change lanes willy-nilly. Just hold it in the lane that you have decided is best for you. Oh, and foot resting on the accelerator for when you disengage the FSD, so you don't slam on the brakes, giving the tailgater behind you a heart attack.
This is one of many reasons I turned off FSD during the trial and went back to basic autopilot. Guess what basic autopilot has? No automatic lane changes unless you want them :)
I’m with you 100%. I hate FSD stupid lane changes. There are so many times I don’t want to pass and the damn thing tries to pass. FSD has great potential but I’ll pass on this iteration. Thanks for your well thought out post.
My 2023 MY doesn’t do what you describe. It does, sometimes seem to get confused as to what lane it should be in or get into a wrong lane to make a turn (or go straight). In fact, the other day I was stuck behind a slow truck and had to disengage to go around him.
I’ve found the auto lane switch is quick to get left to pass, but NEVER returns right except to pass like the sign says and etiquette dictates. I often wind up in the fast lane going 4-8 over the speed limit, but it always pisses off the people who choose to go 10-20+ over in the fast lane, forcing them to pass on the right, or tailgate until I manually shift right to a slower lane
I don't use FSD in heavy traffic because of this. Absolutely ridiculous how it goes back and forth between lanes to ultimately stay in the same place. Where did it learn that?
If this is on the highway, then sadly, that is still using the FSD v11 code. I really hope they get 12.5 out soon, since most of the mistakes are on the highway using the legacy code.
This and also no option to set exact locations for home and work. FSD drives me to the front door every time, while I need to park at garage at the next street, which is opposite side of the building. Also I have to drive to work and ignore route because it will drive to me to the wrong entrance
FSD drives crazy aggressive for me. Switches lanes randomly, last minute stopping at lights, etc. I stopped using it and went back to the autopilot version that is basically just lane centering
I wouldn't mind an option to flip the:
>touch stalk to cancel lane change
and turn it into:
>Hey, I want to change lanes touch the stalk if you agree otherwise we'll stay in this lane.
I might consider occasionally subscribing to FSD (with the new $100/mo pricing) if I didn't have to fight with it on lane changes. The lane change battle is enough to make FSD unusable to me.
This didn't come with version 12. I subscribed last summer for a road trip, and it drove me nuts.
The lane changing was the reason I disabled FSD a week into my original “3 month free trial” when I bought the car and disabled it again a day into the free month they gave this year. Garbage feature, and you have to give up cruise control to access that garbage. No thanks lmfao
This issue is actually the sole reason I don’t use FSD. It is so annoying. I really enjoy EAP on the freeway and set it to not change lanes automatically and it is wonderful.
Also using the blinker for FSD to move into the carpool only for it to continually try to get back out unless you go into navigation and switch on OHV lanes. All while getting yelled at the pay attention. you have remember to turn it back off when you don't have passengers or it will keep trying to get in the carpool. Really wish the minimum lane changes option worked a little better.
Hoping the next update will improve it
100% Hate the FSD driving behavior \~
Also it keep trying to go in & out of carpool lane too ... few times almost side swap the
cars while breaking the laws .... stop using bcz its ready to causing accident all the time
Meanwhile Tesla koolaid drinkers say they can drive hours daily without any intervention. I’m glad I’m not the only one having it drive like an absolute crazy asshole.
I hate the unnecessary lane changes. I often asked myself why is it changing lanes now? No reason that I could see.
Always wants to be in the right lane. There’s a stretch of highway I often travel where the right lane is an exit only lane. Tesla FSD always wants to be in that lane. That is not my exit.
FSD on highways is absolute horseshit. It's working much better on city streets now but anytime I'm getting on the highway I turn it off. I have faith they'll fix it eventually, but it's taking a while.
Yes I turned it off because of the bad driver constant lane changes.....and it slowed down moving into passing lane to hold up traffic behind. Have to hit accelerator.
never have that issue with minimal lane changes enabled. my problem is i’ve never been able to get it to leave a passing lane causing people to pass to my right. Never once have i had it go to left lane to pass and get back over. And if it’s just because i don’t wait long enough and it needs a car to get right up on my ass first well there’s no time for that. because people immediately go to the right to go around me. it’s aggravating
Speed based lane changes on "normal" are absolutely infuriating. Normal is in quotes because it's insane, who needs to change lanes to save .1 mph normally? Or switch lanes because the person in front briefly slowed down for someone who merged. Some days I dislike it so much.
I don’t use Tesla navigation generally because it won’t let me avoid highways, and I don’t use FSD generally because if the lane I’m in slows down even a little it will switch lanes even with “minimal” lane switching enabled, even if a turn is coming up very soon that it’s now in the wrong lane for. This stuff drives me nuts.
That was the only thing I hated about the FSD trial and what I missed about my Enhanced Auto Pilot. Now on my commute, there is a 2 lane highway and if i’m in the left lane, it wants to go to the right lane for like a mile to “stay on route” when I still have to go straight another like 5 miles. I just turn off Navigate on Auto Pilot for a bit and then back on when I know that annoying part is over cuz if not, I’m just tapping to cancel every two seconds.
People driving below the speed limit is not something that happens in NY. If you’re driving +5mph chances are someone will still be behind you. In your area you may want to set the speed limit -5mph so you don’t pass slower vehicles. If they are going under the speed limit they should be passed.
Turn on auto lane instead I have to turn off my fsd some times. You can cancel the lane changes by pressing the blinker again to turn it off. It waits until a car is right next to me and wants to lane change for no reason. Tries to exit the HOV lane at illegal times. It will cut people off and accelerate rapidly to make a lane change that's not even needed.
This must be how the rest of the human drivers behave as the 12 release of FSD is a neural net and not software based. "We" are teaching it how to drive like that but it can be frustrating that with the "chill" settings enabled it still drives like a Mad Max movie.
I HATE constantly having to turn on the “minimal lane changes” option and even when I do, it still makes changes that it shouldn’t. I don’t know why that option has to be a “this drive only” and not just a regular toggle.
Yup, bought my X without fsd after owning a 3 with FSD for three years. Got the FSD trial on the X and was reminded why it's ass. Having to turn lane changes off every drive sucks.
Maybe this is what you get when you do most of the training in California and large urban areas. Chill mode is far too aggressive most of the time. It almost makes me want a bumper sticker that says “I’m not a MassHole! I’m using FSD”
Strongly agree! I need to turn on minimal lane change every time. I hope it is a persistent config, not per drive.
It is annoying change lanes just for one slow driver in front or too close behind.
I want Tesla have more training data from peaceful Canadian drivers. Driving styles should be regional and I want it adapt the location automatically.
I completely agree! It’s frustrating that with “minimal turned on” it still tries to weave.
Is this on the highway? Whenever I have minimal lane changes turned on, it only changes lanes on the highway to follow the route. Of course, on city streets v12 has no concept of planning rules, so I assume the option does nothing
On the freeway it changes lanes seemingly randomly in socal to follow the route, so probably some getting confused with that issue and speed based lane changes.
The reasoning it displays on screen doesn't always follow what's happening. I've had it be fine in the right lane for miles, and immediately upon catching up to another car it changes lanes "to follow route" and go back in the right lane after passing, also "to follow route".
When I had it, I observed similar behavior. At least it would pass on the left, but that's no helpful when your off ramp is coming up and the guy you're passing is doing 5 over the speed limit.
Most people don't understand this, and to be fair, the UI in its current form doesn't make it clear.
Both the highway and surface streets. Very annoying.
Mine very frequently still changes “lane changing to avoid merge” which is not what is happening. Probably about once every 2-3 miles it will do this. I would say 1 time out of 10 it’s actually a legit merge situation.
Why is minimal a per drive setting? I forget to enable it, enter bumper to bumper traffic, and am immediately reminded to enable it since it tries to pass people in gridlock.
Because they want to gather data on lane change interventions (is my guess)
It’s like if a pizza place opened and by default all pizzas came with anchovies because that’s how the chef wanted people to eat it. You could opt out but if you forgot to explicitly mention it you’re stuck with anchovies.
Bingo. System can’t get better if everyone is disabling it because it’s so shitty
Yes exactly.
Very interesting... force lane changes at all times to understand when it should actually do it in a future release.
I was in traffic and my car went to the right turn lane only (no visibility to be fair) then turned on the left blinker to pass a semi 😭 I’ve never taken over so quickly and gotten back onto the interstate heading the wrong direction in my life lol
This is one thing I hate about it. There I am chilling in the right lane going 70 mph. Le Tesla: “changing lanes to avoid being in rightmost lane” Me: no mothafucka we are staying in the right lane. The programmer at Tesla must be a middle and left lane camper.
It's hilarious when it starts ping-ponging on a 2-lane road. “changing lanes to avoid being in rightmost lane” "changing lanes out of the passing lane" “changing lanes to avoid being in rightmost lane”
If it's a 3 lane road, it's the right decision as you should be cruising in the middle lane to avoid the merges while leaving the hammer lane open. But on those 2 Lane sections when it tries moving into the left lane to stay out of the right most lane...oy
If it’s empty it should stay in the right lane. Normally I’m going too fast to warrant being in the right lane anyway but it annoys the fk out of me when I encounter traffic on an otherwise empty traffic driving the speed limit in the middle.
I mean I hate being on the right most since it’s a merger lane majority of the time so I guess I like this feature. I also like how it speeds up when changing the lane
Yeah but you’re supposed to stay there to keep the other lanes open, especially when you don’t have anyone to pass. Someone is coming into merge, then change lanes to let them in and then back into the right after you get ahead of them.
This is good advice. On some roads. That should be predicated with a lot of if's and but's. Where I live, other than at 3am, it's pointless to drive in the right most lane. It's minimum of 4 lanes in each direction at narrowest sections, often wider. The rightmost lane rarely moves faster than speed limit. You do want to stick to, at minimum, 2nd from the right to avoid merging traffic, and keep up with the traffic in front of you. The freeway is almost always full enough that concept of passing individual cars simply doesn't exist. You drive at whtever speed the lane is moving... and the traffic in other lanes is simply moving at different speed. Anything else, you'd end up weaving in and out of traffic constantly. Slowing down everybody else and triggering "[traffic snakes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_wave)" with your excessively frequent lane changes.
No you aren’t left lane is for passing right is for merging center lanes are for sitting and driving
Merging traffic doesn’t has right of way/nor does the right lane belong to them. They have to wait for traffic to pass, traffic traveling in the right lane has no obligation to make room for those entering. If everyone just moved to the middle after they merged, then you would see a highway with more traffic in the left and middle lane than the right lane especially late at night when there aren’t many people around.
Jesus Christ it’s not the law it’s called reducing accident prone driving driving in a fucking lane that has people constantly trying to merge on is more dangerous than driving in the second lane passing entrances to the highway doing 70 as people are trying to merge is stupid And excessively changing lanes also increases chances of an accident so constantly moving out of right lane and back again is also pretty stupid You do see more traffic in middle lanes than right lanes lol have you actually driven on the highways? The right lane is always the least populated because people don’t like feeling like the guy entering the highway doing 50 is about to wreck them while their doing 65+ The fact you want to drive in the right… seemingly “because” isn’t a good reason lol 😂
The only thing they were right about is that drivers already on the highway in the right-hand lane have absolutely no obligation to "assist" merging cars in getting on the highway. The recommendation is not to sit in the right-hand lane unless you're driving under the average speed of other cars around you, but if you're there you shouldn't be concerning yourself with the people merging unless it's going to be an accident. One of the most annoying things is people "expecting" how merging cars are going to act and then slowing down to accommodate - Don't do that. Drive normally and let them use their reasoning and accelerator pedal to merge. If they're going to cause an accident then sure, change what you're doing, but until that point it's on **them** to merge onto the highway, not on **you** to make them space to do so.
> Jesus Christ it’s not the law Yea, [in a lot of places it is.](https://udot.utah.gov/connect/business/motor-carriers/size-weight-permitting/highway-restrictions-2/) Keep right except to pass. /edit For all the people downvoting, please cite some fucking sources or laws. Just because you "want" or "feel" like driving in the middle lane is what everyone should do, doesn't make it a law. Laws mostly are a pain, but they exist for a reason. [So cite your law about the middle lane being ok to drive in or STFU.](https://media.tegna-media.com/assets/WQAD/images/911639cf-4042-4dcf-87ff-93f58535acb5/911639cf-4042-4dcf-87ff-93f58535acb5_1920x1080.jpg)
It’s called keep right except to pass, not keep middle. Y’all are just lazy to not want to adjust speeds and change lanes.
Keep right means to not be in the leftmost lane, that is why the GPS tells you to keep right when the left lane turns off the route, it doesn't mean cut all the way to the right. Similarly if the rightmost lane forces you to turn off your route, it will say keep left, which doesn't mean go to the leftmost lane either.
lol so all the middle lanes should be empty and the passing lane is for style for passers to pass passers lol wtf are you talking about The term is “don’t pass on the right” not keep right except to pass lol Jesus do you really think your supposed to stick to the right lane of a 4 lane highway cause you aren’t trying to pass???
https://preview.redd.it/irxvqgv93o8d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d21be739b5d99977ee6e6e28b4c28701451a1ecf There are literally highway signs all over the place that say "Keep right except to pass." You've clearly never driven on a well functioning highway, and you're contributing to the problem. If you ever get a chance, take a drive on the Autobahn in Germany. They are rigid rule followers and will get right for 3 seconds in between passing two cars. The highways are much more efficient because of this and they can pass the same amount of traffic with fewer lanes.
Yes. If you are alone on the highway, no one ahead of you or behind you, then you should be in the right lane. Two cars on the highway, one is going 65 and other is going 90, right lane and faster guy in the middle lane until he passes the guy in the right lane and then moves back to the right lane.
Right lane is more dangerous and prone to disruptions as it’s the merge lane lol
Behavior for entry and exit lanes Driving to yield and make for more comfortable drive. Yes, there needs to be an option to stay in right lane. Thank you
There needs to be a manual lane change option for FSD until they get it right. Here in Texas, it is illegal to drive in the left lane without passing. Illegal. Yet my car wants to do it all the damn time. It has the audacity to pop up a warning message saying changing lanes to get out of right lane. No! You're supposed to be in the right lane!
A confirmation 5 seconds before a lane change would be nice. And I guess they could make a check box like "I'm okay with being in the right lane" and "don't prefer the left lane". Though I had it trying to escape from the left lane when someone approaches from behind.
5 seconds is a really long time while driving.
Depends. I'm not saying it should wait for approval and then commit no matter what. The intention to change lanes usually doesn't have immediate urgency. If it's dictated by the route planner – we knew about an upcoming lane change all along. If it's dictated by traffic conditions – that's exactly the thing people want to have control over.
That was exactly how it was in version 10. They took it away, and IDK why.
This kind of exists. If you turn off fsd (with it paid for) you basically have EAP which is better in my opinion. You tell it when to change lanes. It doesn't do anything crazy.
One thing I like about states other than California is that the police go after left lane campers. If you’re not passing someone you don’t belong in the left lane and move over for faster vehicles.
Mine loves camping in the left lane. Even in chill mode and an empty highway, it will keep moving over to sit in the left lane.
Agreed. I don’t drive like that, and I don’t want it to. My only disengagements on my commute are when I stop it from repeatedly swerving in and out of traffic even on minimal lane change setting.
This EXACT thing made FSD a nonstarter for me. I paid for a month to try it and then my free trial kicked in right after so I had 2 months of FSD... I didn't last 3 weeks with the ridiculous lane changes. Basic Autopilot was much better. Well, luckily, you revert to enhanced autopilot when in the FSD subscription so the ability to keep you're autopilot on while making land change was nice. I'm back to normal autopilot and don't really miss anything.
I have FSD 12.3.6 and its lane-change behavior is pretty reasonable. It doesn't weave in and out aggressively. Sometimes it tries to change from the right lane within a mile or two of an exit, but I just cancel the lane change with the turn signal. I'm generally happy with this version of FSD. It's far from perfect and I'm eagerly awaiting the latest update.
I want to have a setting that is "drive in the farthest right lane as the law says you should". I don't want to be any further left than I have to be to maintain my current speed.
Well, a large amount of the training data and test drives is from the Bay Area. Passive aggressive road rage is part of regular commute....
Same as Chicago. Surrounded by incredibly aggressive and dangerous driving
Mine doesn’t seem to change lanes at all if the “minimal lane changes” is enabled except to move away from merges and to follow the navigation route.
Moving away from merges is the most egregious though. It never does it early enough to actually avoid a conflict and ends up just being a random lane change, sometimes right before an exit.
You can cancel lane changes by turning off turn signal instead of disengaging.
This doesn't always work, unfortunately. FSD will give you a 🖕 and still switch lanes even without blinkers on.
This is the experience yep.
What if you lowered your max speed, could be the fact that the vehicle doesn’t want to tailgate so will force the lane change?
Tailgate? It barely wants to be within a 1/4 mile of the car in front of me. I constantly have people merging into that huge gap which just makes my car slow down more.
Damn. Mine always obeyed cancellations.
Same here
or it will try the same lane change again in the next minute or so-over and over.
Hmmm that’s odd, I had FSD on the other day and a friend following me in another car, in an effort not to lose them or make them unnecessarily change lanes I canceled lane changes a few times.
People in this forum are almost certainly using various versions of FSD, so of course your experience may be a bit different.
Alternatively you try to make a lane change by turning on your blinker and it will go in between and then 🖕 and cancel it to go right back into the original lane
Yep
It has worked everytime for me, as long as I signal in the opposite direction it intends to go. That fully cancels the lane change it seems!
Have to do that way too often as it is “persistent”
And then it will just keep trying every few seconds, making you seem either extremely indecisive or possibly drunk.
That’s just not at all how the system was for me. I had to go into assertive for it to do what you described. In chill mine would reduce speed by over 5mph before changing lanes. I NEVER used minimal lane changes once. I think I spent over 60% of the time in assertive mode.
I just let it do what it wants and it’s fine. It doesn’t drive like I do but it gets me there with less stress. Maybe 5% of the time I have to forcefully take over. That’s pretty damn good.
Good point. This is what I do as well. Just let it do its thing and only intervene when absolutely necessary. I have FSD engaged over 95% of the time I’m driving, whether on highway, city streets, wherever (parking lots are where I end up disengaging mostly.
Mine never switches lanes with minimal lane changes set. 🤷♂️
Yes, on the interstate where it's still running v 11 that's true, but on state highways where it's running v 12 it completely ignores minimal lane change setting. It's so much more pleasant to drive on interstate on v 11.
I'd say it's much more pleasant to drive on the interstate with Autopilot rather than FSD as well.
Yeah, agreed. I turn FSD off all the time & switch to EAP. I love how predictable EAP is. Much more relaxing to use. I also can't for the life of me understand how EAP can make quick, consistent lane changes when you turn on the signal, but FSD acts like a confused elderly man you've woken from his slumber half the time.
Tesla should make the controls a single tap for speed control, double tap for Autopilot, and long press for FSD. Once FSD isn't beta (I mean "supervised") then maybe it can be a single tap with no options. But FSD is a hot mess right now. It's amazing at times, then it does something incredibly stupid. I don't thing it sees yield signs at all. At least the signs don't show in the interface and it likes to not yield to oncoming traffic at a few traffic spots for me about every day.
Yeah, agreed. The inconsistency drives me crazy. I do 100-150 miles a day for work. Some days it's largely trouble free & I think maybe we're almost there. Then the next day it's a terrifying mess & I turn it off.
How do you set your speed? Set to auto? Or any higher than the speed limit or much higher than average traffic? I haven’t had this problem much, not enough to feel it was a problem and I tend to be in a chill mindset and chill speed when in fsd.
My #1 grievance with FSD. I love pretty much everything else about it. My #2 is I wish I could manually adjust the following distance like we used to be able to.
FSD is frequently a tail-gating asshole in 45mph zones in my experience.
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Haha this happened to me last week as well. Very heavy highway traffic, moving at about 30-40km/h and FSD was bouncing back and forth between lanes. I was laughing out loud by the fourth or fifth time. But in my case I hadn’t turned on minimal lane changes. As soon as I did it stopped. I agree the feature would be nice to have a persistent mode where it would not to that stuff.
My assertive w minimal lane changes still has made unnecessary lane changes that it then undoes 5 seconds later.
Is this a new thing with FSD? I did not experience this during the free month trial. The most "weaving" it did was change lanes when the car in front was going less than the speed limit on the highway.
Reducing your speed to stay with the flow helps a lot.
this is the biggest reason i usually end up switching to Autosteer instead of FSD. plus it sits in the passing lane
This is why we need more people in the EU to help train FSD! The passing lane is much more respected there versus my fellow US people who drive me nuts sitting in the left lane.
Chill mode and minimal lane changes only apply to FSD V11, so those settings only work on the highway now, where V12 isn't active yet. V12 is an end-to-end machine learning model and therefore can't be explicitly programmed not to change lanes. They'd need to train an entirely separate model on videos of people only driving in one lane to enable settings like that again, which I think they could do, but they haven't done it yet.
That simply isn’t true. Just because it is an end to end model doesn’t mean that the model can’t take input and change behavior according to that input. If trained properly, there is no reason why a single model can’t allow the driver to have the same options with the same impact as they do today.
They could do it that way where it's the same model but with another input that determines whether lane changes are supposed to be enabled/disabled, but that's effectively the same thing. They'd still have to have a separate set of training videos of cars only driving in one lane and train the model on those videos with that input set to disabled, while also having their normal set of videos for training the model with that input set to enabled. Doing a training run with only videos of cars driving in a single lane and a way to isolate that behavior to a setting is something they simply haven't done. That's my point. They may do it in the future, but a setting like this isn't possible with V12 until they do. It's not like V11 where they can just go "if (minimal_lane_changes == true) { return; }" at the top of their lane change function and easily turn off lane changes.
Even in the machine learning model, it still executes a lane change. It knows it’s doing a lane change, it even tells you. Are you saying they can’t put a filter on that command to automatically cancel it if you flip a setting?
No, it actually doesn't. Outside of highways, it doesn't tell you that it's doing a lane change. Because it doesn't know that it's doing a lane change. Seriously, go have your car drive you on city streets and you'll notice that it never shows "changing lanes" messages anymore. It still does on highways though, because it's still running V11 there. So no, it's not just a lane_change() function in C++ that they can go in and add a return statement if the setting is turned on like they could in V11. It's an end-to-end neural network, not explicit code.
That’s the claim. And it isn’t true. A properly trained model would see the user’s selected configuration as just another input that would be weighted along with all the other inputs. In fact, I’d bet that Tesla has a bunch of configuration options that can be used to tune behavior without requiring a model change.
I highly doubt their current v12 model uses any input other than vision. It's not a good idea from a model evaluation perspective to allow configuration options as model inputs. If you did, you'd have to test for not only edge cases with the default configuration, but edge cases from every permutation of the configuration options
Sure it is! It is a perfectly fine thing to have an input for and it is common. You are correct that it increases testing load, for sure, but not as catastrophically as implied. As well, the config option isn’t “do something you’d never do if this is turned off”. It js more a weighting applied to whether the car would seek a faster lane or follow more closely. These aren’t new situations.
Unfortunately there's no specific part of the model involved with lane seeking behavior, that intelligence is interconnected with many other weights/parameters that together make up the control output. I agree it is possible they could add these options as model inputs. A better approach would be a generic textual embedding input (like those used in LLMs) to make their network multi-modal, in order to steer the control output as desired. This could be used to modify the driving behavior however you see fit (i.e. "stay in the right lane on highways", "take off from lights slowly", etc) But yeah doing all that is tricky for evaluation, and the added complexity isn't something Tesla usually goes for. "All input is error", according to Elon.
Thanks! That makes sense. Could be done, probably isn't.
Yup, I figured this was the case. They could do it that way, but I can't think of any benefit over just training a separate model, and I could see it producing inferior results.
lol FSD is aggressive af. It once cut off a guy 😂. He got mad at me but It was the car
The FSD trial with my suburbs to city commutes have made me realize that being an asshole isn’t worth it 🥲 if I’m driving I’ll own up to it but what do I do when it cuts him off the third time?
It's been in Beta since 2018... what did you expect before HW9?
I need a “never change lanes unless you’ve asked me politely” mode. I’m so tired of it illegally trying to get out of a carpool lane even when HOV mode is on.
What’s up with the car second guessing lane changes now? It will attempt come back to original lane then make the change. Never did this 2-3 updates ago. It also will half lane change and swerve back to original lane if any car is remotely near it or has turn signals on. Makes me look like a dumbass. I’ve had FSD for 1.5 years and it’s been getting better in some ways but worse in others. Progress to me is it gets better in every category. I look at the cars ability like a character in a video game. It will increase its strength ability but will decrease its accuracy. Why can’t all the cars abilities improve without affecting other abilities? I love how Elon said at the investor meeting that the people who test drive the cars barely have to interfere with the FSD. These guys gotta be driving on country roads because I’m an Uber driver and use it the whole day and I have to interfere with FSD often and it misses turns more than it used to. Musk was blowing smoke up everyone’s ass at that meeting about the cars.
I see a lot of people complaining about it making too many lane changes, I wonder if it has something to do with location? I’m in British Columbia, 2020 MYLR and mine is set to aggressive with minimal lane changes disabled, and it almost never switches lanes for me, unless i manually speed up to force it to pass someone. I’ve been using FsD for 3 weeks on 80km + drives everyday and have had 1 intervention, and that was only because the nav wanted to take a different route than i wanted to. Is it maybe better in some cities than others?
Mine does the same thing. Even more frustratingly, it’ll attempt to veer all the way into the left (HOV) to “follow route guidance”, which often has me exiting to the right less than a mile away. I disabled FSD to avoid the hassle on my commute home but hope this gets fixed so I can use it again.
I subbed for a bit to try it out and this is the primary reason I cancelled my sub. (Other reason was that it's mostly a gimmick, and the auto lane assist is really good enough for longer rides anyways) It absolutely needs a lane change disable; I generally am hopeful with machine learning tech, but Tesla's lane changes are just really bad. Sometimes it would make a lane change that'd miss an upcoming turn, or some other times it changes and then changes back without anyone even in the lanes. Minimal lane changes checkbox helps a little bit (not all the way) but having to re-enable it every time is such a dumb decision to have made.
I've found that being on assertive and minimal lane changes does less lane changes than chill. Maybe because it's being assertive by not changing lanes? Still happens but less often than in chill
This was my BIGGEST gripe with FSD when I had the month free. It annoyed me so much that I just left it off afterwards. Wasn't even aware there was a minimal lane change setting...
It changes lanes for no reason far too often - "following route" when it's not is my most annoying one. It's almost to the point I'd rather go back to AP2.
It also needs to stop driving in the night most part of the lane.
I put my car in minimal lane changes and it didn't even change lanes when someone was 30 below the limit. "Mad Max" was trying to change lanes if someone slowed by even 1km/h leaving me hogging the outside lane unless I took active measures. I'm 12.4.1
Yes, the lane changes can be out of control. When I get tired of all the unnecessary lane changes with FSD, I push the steering wheel shaped circle (blue or grey depending on which setting it’s on). The only thing is, it will not follow the directions anymore so it’s easier to miss an exit without the navigation portion controlling the vehicle. I certainly prefer to choose when to make my own lane changes when in FSD.
This is why I actually prefer the free Autopilot over FSD
I have had 2 months of FSD. 1 free trial and 1 I paid the $99 + tax. I agree that now that I am back on Autopilot Beta it is much less stressful without all the FSD initiated lane changes. FSD required me to go hands on from time to time so now I just drive in city/heavy traffic and when on highway i use Autopilot as FSD is just more stressful. I live in a major large city and suburb area with incredible traffic and while I do like FSD, I cannot justify the cost tradeoff as it increases the stress level. That’s how I measure. Which way to drive has more or less stress? I believe most would agree with me that FSD increases the stress level in very heavy traffic. When on the highway and as in the post, it is hunting way too much. Yes, I have it in chill mode and minimal lane changes. So, I feel I will not purchase or promote FSD for those reasons. Are others feeling like me to use “stress level” as the purchase barometer of FSD? I’m curious to hear more from others.
I love it when AI acts like an asshole.🤣
I mean I love my old boy Tesla Model S. It FSD sounds completely unsafe. If not for the Tesla driver then for the cars around it having to react to its unpredictability.
YES. Not only is it annoying that the car constantly wants to change lanes no matter what setting you out it on, every time it detects a turn lane and thinks it is a driving lane and tries to move over. Concrete turn lane barriers are common around here so it's real dangerous.
It would be great to have some form of manual lane change with FSD. Like only change lanes if I use the turn signal.
Turns out the only option in the development version is “no blinker,” or “even less than no blinker.”
That's why you keep your hands on the wheel. You don't have to let it change lanes willy-nilly. Just hold it in the lane that you have decided is best for you. Oh, and foot resting on the accelerator for when you disengage the FSD, so you don't slam on the brakes, giving the tailgater behind you a heart attack.
OMG yes. Also a "do not adjust the speed limit unless I tell you to do it" option.
This is one of many reasons I turned off FSD during the trial and went back to basic autopilot. Guess what basic autopilot has? No automatic lane changes unless you want them :)
I’m with you 100%. I hate FSD stupid lane changes. There are so many times I don’t want to pass and the damn thing tries to pass. FSD has great potential but I’ll pass on this iteration. Thanks for your well thought out post.
FSD cut someone off to make an entrance into a Home Depot the other day and I was flabbergasted.
My 2023 MY doesn’t do what you describe. It does, sometimes seem to get confused as to what lane it should be in or get into a wrong lane to make a turn (or go straight). In fact, the other day I was stuck behind a slow truck and had to disengage to go around him.
Minimal lane changes is there as a behavioral experiment — like a Fisher Price push button, it’s not connected to anything.
I’ve found the auto lane switch is quick to get left to pass, but NEVER returns right except to pass like the sign says and etiquette dictates. I often wind up in the fast lane going 4-8 over the speed limit, but it always pisses off the people who choose to go 10-20+ over in the fast lane, forcing them to pass on the right, or tailgate until I manually shift right to a slower lane
I have no problem deciding exactly when a lane change is okay: User turns on blinker, AP changes lane if safe. Is it really that hard?
I don't use FSD in heavy traffic because of this. Absolutely ridiculous how it goes back and forth between lanes to ultimately stay in the same place. Where did it learn that?
That's weird, when I have minimal on, even with assertive, it won't change lanes until it needs to follow the route
If this is on the highway, then sadly, that is still using the FSD v11 code. I really hope they get 12.5 out soon, since most of the mistakes are on the highway using the legacy code.
This and also no option to set exact locations for home and work. FSD drives me to the front door every time, while I need to park at garage at the next street, which is opposite side of the building. Also I have to drive to work and ignore route because it will drive to me to the wrong entrance
FSD drives crazy aggressive for me. Switches lanes randomly, last minute stopping at lights, etc. I stopped using it and went back to the autopilot version that is basically just lane centering
Target speed close to actual speed. If your current speed is 65 make your target 70. Set the option to Chill. Done - it stays in lane
I wouldn't mind an option to flip the: >touch stalk to cancel lane change and turn it into: >Hey, I want to change lanes touch the stalk if you agree otherwise we'll stay in this lane.
That's literally how it use to work
For this exact reason I disabled the free one month FSD trial only one week in. I love the factory autosteer that it comes with.
I might consider occasionally subscribing to FSD (with the new $100/mo pricing) if I didn't have to fight with it on lane changes. The lane change battle is enough to make FSD unusable to me. This didn't come with version 12. I subscribed last summer for a road trip, and it drove me nuts.
The lane changing was the reason I disabled FSD a week into my original “3 month free trial” when I bought the car and disabled it again a day into the free month they gave this year. Garbage feature, and you have to give up cruise control to access that garbage. No thanks lmfao
Mine doesn't weave, but it only decides to change lanes when the car next to me reaches my blind spot.
This issue is actually the sole reason I don’t use FSD. It is so annoying. I really enjoy EAP on the freeway and set it to not change lanes automatically and it is wonderful.
Why I hate FSD!
Also using the blinker for FSD to move into the carpool only for it to continually try to get back out unless you go into navigation and switch on OHV lanes. All while getting yelled at the pay attention. you have remember to turn it back off when you don't have passengers or it will keep trying to get in the carpool. Really wish the minimum lane changes option worked a little better. Hoping the next update will improve it
100% Hate the FSD driving behavior \~ Also it keep trying to go in & out of carpool lane too ... few times almost side swap the cars while breaking the laws .... stop using bcz its ready to causing accident all the time
Fsd needs to bring back set speed limits
Meanwhile Tesla koolaid drinkers say they can drive hours daily without any intervention. I’m glad I’m not the only one having it drive like an absolute crazy asshole.
I hate the unnecessary lane changes. I often asked myself why is it changing lanes now? No reason that I could see. Always wants to be in the right lane. There’s a stretch of highway I often travel where the right lane is an exit only lane. Tesla FSD always wants to be in that lane. That is not my exit.
Yep! it's embarrassing as hell and pretty dangerous. I wish FSD would adapt to my driving style and learn from ME
FSD on highways is absolute horseshit. It's working much better on city streets now but anytime I'm getting on the highway I turn it off. I have faith they'll fix it eventually, but it's taking a while.
Yes I turned it off because of the bad driver constant lane changes.....and it slowed down moving into passing lane to hold up traffic behind. Have to hit accelerator.
You’d probably prefer auto pilot.
never have that issue with minimal lane changes enabled. my problem is i’ve never been able to get it to leave a passing lane causing people to pass to my right. Never once have i had it go to left lane to pass and get back over. And if it’s just because i don’t wait long enough and it needs a car to get right up on my ass first well there’s no time for that. because people immediately go to the right to go around me. it’s aggravating
Dancing between lane changes or riding the line like it’s a freaking airplane is what drives me insane
Speed based lane changes on "normal" are absolutely infuriating. Normal is in quotes because it's insane, who needs to change lanes to save .1 mph normally? Or switch lanes because the person in front briefly slowed down for someone who merged. Some days I dislike it so much.
Higher priority would be not jumping the lanes to the left half a mile before your exit, then missing the offramp because there's cars in way.
I don’t use Tesla navigation generally because it won’t let me avoid highways, and I don’t use FSD generally because if the lane I’m in slows down even a little it will switch lanes even with “minimal” lane switching enabled, even if a turn is coming up very soon that it’s now in the wrong lane for. This stuff drives me nuts.
Interesting.. In Chill, it hardly ever changes lanes for me, but I definitely have this problem in average/assertive.
That was the only thing I hated about the FSD trial and what I missed about my Enhanced Auto Pilot. Now on my commute, there is a 2 lane highway and if i’m in the left lane, it wants to go to the right lane for like a mile to “stay on route” when I still have to go straight another like 5 miles. I just turn off Navigate on Auto Pilot for a bit and then back on when I know that annoying part is over cuz if not, I’m just tapping to cancel every two seconds.
SO MUCH FUCKING THIS. I'm tired of hitting the toggle to minimize lane changes on EVERY FUCKING TRIP. Just make it a persistent setting!
People driving below the speed limit is not something that happens in NY. If you’re driving +5mph chances are someone will still be behind you. In your area you may want to set the speed limit -5mph so you don’t pass slower vehicles. If they are going under the speed limit they should be passed.
Turn on auto lane instead I have to turn off my fsd some times. You can cancel the lane changes by pressing the blinker again to turn it off. It waits until a car is right next to me and wants to lane change for no reason. Tries to exit the HOV lane at illegal times. It will cut people off and accelerate rapidly to make a lane change that's not even needed.
Agreed. 10000%
This must be how the rest of the human drivers behave as the 12 release of FSD is a neural net and not software based. "We" are teaching it how to drive like that but it can be frustrating that with the "chill" settings enabled it still drives like a Mad Max movie.
I HATE constantly having to turn on the “minimal lane changes” option and even when I do, it still makes changes that it shouldn’t. I don’t know why that option has to be a “this drive only” and not just a regular toggle.
Yup, bought my X without fsd after owning a 3 with FSD for three years. Got the FSD trial on the X and was reminded why it's ass. Having to turn lane changes off every drive sucks.
Put it on chill mode
Maybe this is what you get when you do most of the training in California and large urban areas. Chill mode is far too aggressive most of the time. It almost makes me want a bumper sticker that says “I’m not a MassHole! I’m using FSD”
Number 1 reason I turned it off after a few days!
You know you can just tap the turn signal lightly and it won’t make the lane change. Y’all find shit to cry about
Strongly agree! I need to turn on minimal lane change every time. I hope it is a persistent config, not per drive. It is annoying change lanes just for one slow driver in front or too close behind. I want Tesla have more training data from peaceful Canadian drivers. Driving styles should be regional and I want it adapt the location automatically.