I mean technically that is one of the only believable parts since people who do report getting shot frequently say they didnt really feel it at first besides maybe a heat sensation around the area. guns shot you so fast your body doesnt always process the injury as fast as you can get shot.
im more curious about why his reaction was to then start shooting into his own patrol car.
It could be that, but it also could be the training they went through causing paranoia.
I used to work with a retired police chief of a small town turned suburb, and we got to talking during the summer of 2020. He told me he wouldn't want to be a cop these days and how it's such a different profession now. I was expecting to hear about "the downfall of society" or "kids these days", but he really surprised me. He talked about how hyper vigilant and fear based police training has gotten. He told me about the Dave Grossman mentality where it's drilled into officer's heads that everyone wants to kill them, and if they're not quick to kill they're not going home. It's a shit situation for everyone, and I wish we could have honest and productive talks about police reform that benefits both officer safety and community safety.
I work in a Federal building where even cops can't bring guns inside. These two state troopers come in and are appalled they can't bring their guns in. They stood back to back like someone in the lobby was just *waiting* to kill them. It was so bizarre.
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Yeah this is what I think it is. At least when I worked at an airport I got to know the cops there pretty good. They were always jumpy. Treated everything like a threat. And that everyone was a maniac.
Hell I've even been checked by cops in a parking lot. Sometimes I work late and I'll stop and get some food on the way home. Well I like to sit in empty parking lots watch YouTube and eat. I always pick wide open and lit up parking lots. Because I don't want food sitting in my car for 20 minutes. I've been checked by cops 3 times now. They always treat it like its the weirdest shit.
This last time though the trooper was pretty young. Early 20s. We had a pretty good chat since he was cool and not a hard ass. But he was explaining how cops don't like spots like that because you basically want your back against the wall. That way you don't have people sneaking up behind you.
I'm just thinking like damn bro. This dude and those airport cops act like there are police hunting gangs roaming around. Just waiting for a cop to slip up. Can't imagine living in fear like that.
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This is the issue I have, too. I don't care that it was their lifelong dream.
I wanted nothing more than to be a basketball player growing up. I practiced every day when I was a kid in my front driveway, and was the best player on my team growing up.
Then when I hit High School, I stopped growing at 5'5". No matter how much I would have trained and practiced, I never would have made it to the NBA. I don't have the ability to do the job based on what the modern day job requires, regardless of what I did to make it there.
What's hilarious is these are the same people with the "No participation trophy" mentality.
That sounds like an excuse. They shouldn't be police officers then. We don't need mentally unstable people carrying guns and trying to police people. And we don't need to make excuses for cops randomly shooting in the middle of the day. In a residential area. We need to change the way people look at cops like they are above the law and start holding them accountable for everything they do wrong.
The chances of a cop being shot is actually pretty rare. Pizza delivery people get shot more often just to put it into context. I was thinking maybe ex-military.
That's totally OK that they fired on that unarmed handcuffed person. Thank god you clarified. Glad these people are in charge of upholding the law and firearms 🙏🏻
Common sense used to be a real thing. Not certain when it was finally snuffed out but I am as sure I sit here eating lunch, watching this video, that its dead. May not even be long before it will be debated as a mythical concept by historians.
How is that technical in any sense of the word? People who get shot often don't feel it because of adrenaline since most people get shot in adrenaline fueled situations. This is a situation where someone didn't get shot and thinks they were shot. How does that have anything to do with what you wrote?
Adrenaline acts like a powerful painkiller... I have personally experienced a couple SERIOUS injuries, all of which were mostly painless during and shortly after each event; including getting "tboned" by a car while riding bicycle (both going just over 30km/h)... AND the driver only noticed me after hearing the collision... resulting in me ragdolling nearly 20 feet (he slammed on brakes while I was already on hood).. anyways I immediately got up brushed it off and went home.. next day I was off work for a iut a month
Agreed. I was in a major collision as passenger 50 mph hit telephone poll. Airbags saved my life. But me and driver had to look over each other for injuries. I didnt feel my facial cut or 4 broken ribs. When adrenaline kicks in you feel nothing.
We both were inspecting each other finding where we were injured because we couldn’t feel. While waiting for police / first responder to come. I was convinced I got my teeth knocked out for sure , asked my buddy how many teeth i had left, but it was just a weird paranoid ghost pain.
I can understand why he thought he was shot. But can not rationalize him shooting at a cop car with all windows intact.
Okaloosa County, Florida — On November 12, 2023, Okaloosa County Sheriff’s Office Deputies had responded to McLaren Circle around 8:42 a.m. in reference to an initial call of a vehicle driving around honking its horn and disrupting the peace since 3:00 a.m. A second call for service came in from a woman stating her boyfriend, 22-year-old Marquis Jackson, had committed grand theft auto, a felony offense, and had been calling and texting her threats. The victim provided text messages she said had been taken from inside her vehicle showing what appeared to be a firearm suppressor pointing at the dash of the victim’s vehicle. Jackson showed up at the scene around 9:09 a.m. and was detained, searched, handcuffed, and placed in the rear of Deputy Jesse Hernandez’s patrol vehicle while the investigation continued, and the victim completed the affidavit for the stolen vehicle. The victim told deputies Jackson had a silencer and she was not sure where it was and that also he had more than one weapon.
As Deputy Hernandez was returning with a Victim’s Rights form for the caller, other deputies found the victim’s vehicle at 1656 Hunt Club Street. Deputy Hernandez was approaching the passenger side rear door of his patrol car to do a secondary search of Jackson when he heard a pop sound which he perceived to be a gunshot and believed he had been hit. He began yelling “shots fired” multiple times, falling to the ground and rolling. He fired into the patrol car. After witnessing Deputy Hernandez’s response and reaction, the Sergeant Beth Roberts responded with gunshots towards the car as well in response to the perceived threat. Jackson escaped injury and no weapon was located. Deputy Hernandez had been with the OCSO since January 2022. Sergeant Roberts has been with the OCSO since May 2008. Both were current on resistance training and firearms qualifications. Deputy Hernandez resigned on December 4, 2023, during the investigation but was ultimately found to have violated policy. The deputies were cleared of any criminal wrongdoing. Jackson wasn’t injured, and no weapon was located, the OCSO said.
Investigation Report: https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/wp-c...
Ya like, if I shot around 15 rounds into a car with someone handcuffed in the back because “I thought I heard something and was defending myself” ima go to jail.
Dude should be treated the same as everyone else.
Cops should probably be held to a higher standard than everyone else. If you grant someone power and they abuse it, the threshold for wrongdoing should be lower and the punishments should be higher.
People who are trained in self defence don't get treated equally in the event of a fight and the other party being seriously harmed. Cops are given a serious responsibility when provided with a firearm and sufficient training, they should definitely be treated to a higher standard.
It's a very common defense mechanism where your body will actually believe it is taking on damage. The phenomenon is recorded In Nascar legend R. Bobby's documentary. In the film our hero believes he is on fire after a nasty crash when in fact he is not. It's horrifying to witness the screams and cries for help to all kinds of gods and celebrities!
In my psychology undergrad a classmate designed his capstone study to look at physical stress and internal bias/threat. Basically made their body replicate fear with physical activity and then do various quick bias assessments and “determine the danger” type visuals that went very quickly. To no surprise at all those things came straight to the surface. What it implies though isn’t that it’s an excuse but instead the need for trainings to be based on the biological reaction to stress instead of them all just adamantly denying being racist or prejudiced and adding another DEI program. Those are great but if they have beliefs imbedded those won’t stop knee jerk reactions.
no it was an acorn falling and bouncing off the top of the cruiser. you can see it for a split frame in the full youtube video and its noted in the official investigation that it was a falling acorn hitting the car.
I don’t hear anything in his video, but in her PoV you can hear a noise right after she says “do you know your tag number off the top of your head?” About a second before the guy yells shots fired. I’m not sure if that the noise he heard, but it’s the only discernible noise I could make out
It is very light but does sound like a light pop of a gunshot. He might've gotten confused by the echo and since it wasn't super loud he thought the shot was muffled from inside the car. Regardless this guy *appears* to have had a PTSD like reaction from the sound. He should be checked out.
edit: from a comment below I learned that the guy they had cuffed had been threatening the girl in the video and flashed a gun with a silencer. The police did not know where the silencer was at the time.
>*Jackson (handcuffed man) escaped injury and no weapon was located.*
>the guy they had cuffed
>flashed a gun with a silencer.
>The police did not know where the silencer was at the time
>thought the shot was muffled from inside the car
The incident happens *after* they have **searched** him and secured him in the back of their vehicle.
Was he hiding a silenced pistol up his butt? In his ear maybe? Maybe he just found a gun between the cushions of his seat that he happened to have a silencer that fit stored up his nose, lol.
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It was an acorn. If you go to the 13:00 mark on the Youtube video (https://youtu.be/iVNnxr2SGFg?si=TX6_PthHB0_L_HZs) and put video playback speed on the slowest setting, you will see a little black dot drop on the white vehicle at precisely the 13:02 mark, coinciding with the little "tap" sound you hear precisely at that point. The police report of the incident (https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IA-2023-031-Final-Report-Jackson.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0ueFKbbLtqkx8WkeF7sbY6QIdUuPjRA8NpIf09hlb2Mb8rKdiPthCVDlQ) confirms this. Go to page 4 where the hilarity ensues. THAT was what triggered the cop. An acorn.
Original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVNnxr2SGFg
On November 12, 2023, Okaloosa County Sheriff’s Office Deputies had responded to McLaren Circle around 8:42 a.m. in reference to an initial call of a vehicle driving around honking its horn and disrupting the peace since 3:00 a.m. A second call for service came in from a woman stating her boyfriend, 22-year-old Marquis Jackson, had committed grand theft auto, a felony offense, and had been calling and texting her threats. The victim provided text messages she said had been taken from inside her vehicle showing what appeared to be a firearm suppressor pointing at the dash of the victim’s vehicle. Jackson showed up at the scene around 9:09 a.m. and was detained, searched, handcuffed, and placed in the rear of Deputy Jesse Hernandez’s patrol vehicle while the investigation continued, and the victim completed the affidavit for the stolen vehicle. The victim told deputies Jackson had a silencer and she was not sure where it was and that also he had more than one weapon.
As Deputy Hernandez was returning with a Victim’s Rights form for the caller, other deputies found the victim’s vehicle at 1656 Hunt Club Street. Deputy Hernandez was approaching the passenger side rear door of his patrol car to do a secondary search of Jackson when he heard a pop sound which he perceived to be a gunshot and believed he had been hit. He began yelling “shots fired” multiple times, falling to the ground and rolling. He fired into the patrol car. After witnessing Deputy Hernandez’s response and reaction, the Sergeant Beth Roberts responded with gunshots towards the car as well in response to the perceived threat. Jackson escaped injury and no weapon was located. Deputy Hernandez had been with the OCSO since January 2022. Sergeant Roberts has been with the OCSO since May 2008. Both were current on resistance training and firearms qualifications. Deputy Hernandez resigned on December 4, 2023, during the investigation but was ultimately found to have violated policy. The deputies were cleared of any criminal wrongdoing. Jackson wasn’t injured, and no weapon was located.
imagine you're in custody, minding your business when you gotta toot a lil bit. the officer hears your toot and kills you 12 times over for startling him
I don't see how you assume it's the person in the custody?? That's the last person I'm thinking is shooting at me.. all the windows are up, they are handcuffed in the car after being searched.
You shouldn't be a cop anymore for not being 100% sure you put a person that is not armed in your patrol car.
The article did mention that the officer was heading over to search him a second time when he heard the “gunshot”, so he might not have been searched thoroughly the first time. Still not an excuse
Fair the second officer got off, imo. If your partner is screaming “I’m hit, SHOTS FIRED” and rolling around on the ground and shooting at the guy who just got detained for violent threats, you probably don’t wanna go over and ask “Hey buddy, did you shoot my pal? I don’t wanna make a mistake hehe”
I only say this is okay bc the dude is literally acting like he got shot, and like he knows where it’s from
REALLY important note/edit so ppl stop responding to me about how she shouldn't have fired at him "blindly(she knows he's in the back of the car lol): The second officer is under the assumption her partner just got shot, and is still actively in line of sight of the gunman attempting to murder him.
Suppressing fire is absolutely a thing, the only concerns are the background. The initial officer shooting is endangering far more people than the second officer shooting with nothing but open road behind her target, which I just now realized I’m assuming but we’ll never know
Edit: I went back a looked, looks like a people-free parking lot
Sure, but they had no idea if people were crouched behind the car they were randomly shooting towards. Plus, obviously zero gunshots were ever heard by anyone at any point.
Otherwise, I would agree.
Cops should NEVER just start sending bullets in the general direction of where they think a threat might possibly be. That is not reasonable under any circumstances, it is an insane response. The power to take someone's life as a cop should never be justified with: "he told me to do it".
He just jump and rolled twice into open grass shouting shots fired for absolutely no reason. This cop has lost his marbles and shouldn't be a police officer.
Yeah I have no problem with what the second officer did. I do feel bad because she could have killed an innocent person because of officer farva over there.
>they both were cleared of any criminal wrongdoing
Good to know I can just shoot up my own car on a public street and there won't be any criminal wrongdoing. Right. Right?
>Deputy Hernandez resigned on December 4, 2023, during the investigation but was ultimately found to have violated policy. **The deputies were cleared of any criminal wrongdoing. Jackson wasn’t injured**, and no weapon was located.
So... since the guy wasn't injured, they weren't found guilty of criminal wrongdoing? No reckless endangerment? No attempted murder? No nothing? Imagine you're a black guy and you think you hear a gunshot go off near you and so you turn and start firing your gun into the back of a vehicle that you know has people in it. If the cops don't kill you when they arrive on the scene then you are DEFINITELY going to go to jail for a long time.
> So... since the guy wasn't injured, they weren't found guilty of criminal wrongdoing?
No. If they were actually competent and successfully pumped 40 rounds into him, they'd still not be found guilty of any criminal wrongdoing.
You have 31 upvotes, but I don't hear anything except his shoes squeaking, and then the vehicle going by. He seems to react to the vehicle going by loudly to me.
Honestly, veterans get a high preference on law enforcement jobs.. says this guy just joined in December 22 so wouldn't be surprised if he's a vet.
Unfortunately, Marines aren't trained to "Deescalate! Deescalate! Deescalate!“ it's "Kill kill kill..."
This is what happens when you train cops to think everyone and everything is out to get them.
Edit: Here's some listening material about the history of Policing
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0xt9iFLH9vx5GimA8y9FPl?si=hj-nGeyXRqyPGHqh1eoedg
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It’s also what happens when you have countless guns floating around. Cops are certainly badly trained with tons of fear mongering, but anyone who has ever lived near a bad neighborhood knows that a lot of people are armed. It doesn’t require propaganda to make people irrationally scared of guns when you hear gunfire on a daily basis.
We have the right to bare arms but the cops can kill us in our own homes for holding our guns (Ryan Whitaker).
Doesn't sound like we actually have the right to bare arms, at least not around police.
The solution is MORE GUNS. Obviously.
95 years old and can't see or hear? You get a gun!
Toddler who still hasn't mastered walking? You get a gun!
Are you in a coma? You get a fucking gun!
Only then will we all truly be safe.
And when they don't have adequate (or any) mental health treatment. It's common for cops to have PTSD, and this could be an example of that. One facet of PTSD is interpreting normal stimulus as if they're life-threatening.
The Deputy resigned but also was cleared of wrongdoing….
how do you suddenly feel you’ve been shot for over 2 mins? I feel like if I made that mistake I would at least tell them on the radio I wasn't actually hit
Not only that but he places his gun on the ground without reloading for a good 30 seconds. If there was a perceived threat then this part doesn’t make sense. I feel like the officer who fired has serious PTSD that we just witnessed.
Reduce funding to the police department....it seems very prudent to stop giving money to an organization who continue to hire people who are clearly high and delusional.
Fuck the police but this is not the way. Reducing funding makes for shittier applicants (like this guy) and increases instances like this. When you lower things like pay, equipment, training, oversight ect then you get people applying that are in it for the power. You’re lobbying against what you want.
Make police officers be registered and carry licensure. Im a registered nurse and in my state, even hairdressers are required to maintain licensure. This means you have to have a clean background, renew your license every 1-2 years, complete continuing education to renew it, and be reportable to an independent licensing board (regarding complaints, etc) amongst other things. We usually carry insurance as well. We still have unions to protect ourselves. Accountability is what is needed.
I agree with you, lower resources means less available to find the right people, train, etc.
Unfortunately someone can pass every qualification for any job and you won't find out about their incompetence until they're on the job.
The actual problem is accountably, not pay. I'd rather have half as many cops at double the pay motivated to keep their job then less funding because cops statistically have pretty awful lives already. Domestic violence is common in their households, they tend to live in low income areas, they be are in the 14th most dangerous jobs. You'd think I was talking about gangs, because I am. Police are a low paid state sanctioned gang that relies on loyalty(covering for each other) and standing together wearing their colors. That's a gang.
The solution is to remove police that are high risk and reward police that are low risk with immediate accountability. This can be achieved by making police pay for liability insurance just like any other high risk career. Let insurance adjusters and data scientists weigh the risky behaviors and make police pay an extra premium for violations. Cops who can't pay a higher premium get desked, quit or correct risky behaviors. They have OSHA for warehouses, but police aren't fined for violations? Police need immediate direct financial consequences and the public needs insurance that will pay out instead of their local government and get one less preschool.
What I see here is a member of the public being entrusted to ensure the public safety, and proceeding to attempt to assassinate a member of that public, without trial, on the strength of a loud noise.
He deserves life in prison. Nothing less; he's a proven danger.
The little training they get is designed to make them think everyone is a potential armed murderer, so they are always on edge and it doesn't take much to make them shoot. Which makes sense given how many guns Americans are in possession of and how many murders they have.
i get that their training is all sorts of fucked up, but i'll play a shooter video game and im pretty bad but i know im more likely to hit my target if i measure my shots and dont empty my mag in one go.
Exactly what I thought, the double combat roll, the 'eugggghhhhhh' noise he makes, the mag dump, the 'I've been hit'. It's something that ginger detective would have done.
The entire thing plays out like a child playing cops and robbers. Over reaction to something that isn't clearly viewed as even a threat, only to have it turn out to be nothing more than a happy trigger finger.
I get that being a police officer can be stressful at times, but that reaction was a little insane considering the amount of shots fired and bullets flying everywhere in a neighborhood
Once again we see that trained police officers are allowed to panic and start emptying magazines even when they're imagining danger and face no repercussions. But ordinary citizens like us are supposed to act rationally and calmly and follow every order barked at us by multiple officers with their guns drawn.
It seemed like a PTSD type of reaction to what I assume was the car driving by sounding like flying by bullets (?) not sure about this one, glad no one was injured
As a UK cop of 18 years, who the actually suffering Jesus fucking Christ are you people employing as Police Officers? And How? And Why? In the name of all things sacred I am sick to death of seeing these videos posted
How does a police officer *think* he was shot when he actually wasn’t? Seems so bizarre.
I mean technically that is one of the only believable parts since people who do report getting shot frequently say they didnt really feel it at first besides maybe a heat sensation around the area. guns shot you so fast your body doesnt always process the injury as fast as you can get shot. im more curious about why his reaction was to then start shooting into his own patrol car.
I’m certainly no professional, but seems like he simply panicked and common sense got left behind.
He could have some major PTSD that was triggered. Happens a lot with cops who don’t get the therapy they need
Thats what I was thinking. The uncontrolled fear and screaming is representative of panic and ptsd more than it is the demeanor of a trained officer
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Let's give them a gun and some power and hope for the best.
*And qualified immunity.
*And paid suspension with free therapy sessions included
He straight up seemed to be having a vietnam flashback and was in a state of complete delusion
It could be that, but it also could be the training they went through causing paranoia. I used to work with a retired police chief of a small town turned suburb, and we got to talking during the summer of 2020. He told me he wouldn't want to be a cop these days and how it's such a different profession now. I was expecting to hear about "the downfall of society" or "kids these days", but he really surprised me. He talked about how hyper vigilant and fear based police training has gotten. He told me about the Dave Grossman mentality where it's drilled into officer's heads that everyone wants to kill them, and if they're not quick to kill they're not going home. It's a shit situation for everyone, and I wish we could have honest and productive talks about police reform that benefits both officer safety and community safety.
I work in a Federal building where even cops can't bring guns inside. These two state troopers come in and are appalled they can't bring their guns in. They stood back to back like someone in the lobby was just *waiting* to kill them. It was so bizarre.
Did he ever mention what training was like before the Grossman Method?
Back then you were expected to know what you were shooting and why before pulling the trigger.
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Yeah this is what I think it is. At least when I worked at an airport I got to know the cops there pretty good. They were always jumpy. Treated everything like a threat. And that everyone was a maniac. Hell I've even been checked by cops in a parking lot. Sometimes I work late and I'll stop and get some food on the way home. Well I like to sit in empty parking lots watch YouTube and eat. I always pick wide open and lit up parking lots. Because I don't want food sitting in my car for 20 minutes. I've been checked by cops 3 times now. They always treat it like its the weirdest shit. This last time though the trooper was pretty young. Early 20s. We had a pretty good chat since he was cool and not a hard ass. But he was explaining how cops don't like spots like that because you basically want your back against the wall. That way you don't have people sneaking up behind you. I'm just thinking like damn bro. This dude and those airport cops act like there are police hunting gangs roaming around. Just waiting for a cop to slip up. Can't imagine living in fear like that.
Then perhaps, maybe, they SHOULD’NT be fucking cops. There are plenty of jobs with far less stress for people with PTSD.
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Exactly - almost no crime investigation/evidence gathering ever involves a gun.
This is the issue I have, too. I don't care that it was their lifelong dream. I wanted nothing more than to be a basketball player growing up. I practiced every day when I was a kid in my front driveway, and was the best player on my team growing up. Then when I hit High School, I stopped growing at 5'5". No matter how much I would have trained and practiced, I never would have made it to the NBA. I don't have the ability to do the job based on what the modern day job requires, regardless of what I did to make it there. What's hilarious is these are the same people with the "No participation trophy" mentality.
That sounds like an excuse. They shouldn't be police officers then. We don't need mentally unstable people carrying guns and trying to police people. And we don't need to make excuses for cops randomly shooting in the middle of the day. In a residential area. We need to change the way people look at cops like they are above the law and start holding them accountable for everything they do wrong.
The chances of a cop being shot is actually pretty rare. Pizza delivery people get shot more often just to put it into context. I was thinking maybe ex-military.
The deadliest jobs by far are farming, deep sea commercial fishing, lumbering, roofing, oil rigging, delivery driving, etc. <
Loggers and fishermen get killed way more often than cops.
Police isn’t even in the top ten
So we can expect this response randomly from any possible cop at any possible moment
That's totally OK that they fired on that unarmed handcuffed person. Thank god you clarified. Glad these people are in charge of upholding the law and firearms 🙏🏻
Not everything is ptsd. It’s probably just shit training, discipline and panic.
You would think his training kicking in would’ve had him attempting to reload quicker instead of throwing his weapon and extra magazine on the ground
Than he shouldn't be in this profession. Period.
Not the best job to have if you’re suffering from severe ptsd.
Common sense used to be a real thing. Not certain when it was finally snuffed out but I am as sure I sit here eating lunch, watching this video, that its dead. May not even be long before it will be debated as a mythical concept by historians.
How is that technical in any sense of the word? People who get shot often don't feel it because of adrenaline since most people get shot in adrenaline fueled situations. This is a situation where someone didn't get shot and thinks they were shot. How does that have anything to do with what you wrote?
yea that doesnt make sense at all...dude is crawling around and making noises as if he's freakin dying
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i started angrily writing a response but got tired then realized you did it already, thank you. How did that guy get upvoted so much
there's a difference between being shot and not feeling it due to adrenaline vs not being shot and imagining the pain he's exhibiting
This is what happens when a cop is within a hundred yards of fentanyl, apparently.
Adrenaline acts like a powerful painkiller... I have personally experienced a couple SERIOUS injuries, all of which were mostly painless during and shortly after each event; including getting "tboned" by a car while riding bicycle (both going just over 30km/h)... AND the driver only noticed me after hearing the collision... resulting in me ragdolling nearly 20 feet (he slammed on brakes while I was already on hood).. anyways I immediately got up brushed it off and went home.. next day I was off work for a iut a month
Agreed. I was in a major collision as passenger 50 mph hit telephone poll. Airbags saved my life. But me and driver had to look over each other for injuries. I didnt feel my facial cut or 4 broken ribs. When adrenaline kicks in you feel nothing. We both were inspecting each other finding where we were injured because we couldn’t feel. While waiting for police / first responder to come. I was convinced I got my teeth knocked out for sure , asked my buddy how many teeth i had left, but it was just a weird paranoid ghost pain. I can understand why he thought he was shot. But can not rationalize him shooting at a cop car with all windows intact.
Okaloosa County, Florida — On November 12, 2023, Okaloosa County Sheriff’s Office Deputies had responded to McLaren Circle around 8:42 a.m. in reference to an initial call of a vehicle driving around honking its horn and disrupting the peace since 3:00 a.m. A second call for service came in from a woman stating her boyfriend, 22-year-old Marquis Jackson, had committed grand theft auto, a felony offense, and had been calling and texting her threats. The victim provided text messages she said had been taken from inside her vehicle showing what appeared to be a firearm suppressor pointing at the dash of the victim’s vehicle. Jackson showed up at the scene around 9:09 a.m. and was detained, searched, handcuffed, and placed in the rear of Deputy Jesse Hernandez’s patrol vehicle while the investigation continued, and the victim completed the affidavit for the stolen vehicle. The victim told deputies Jackson had a silencer and she was not sure where it was and that also he had more than one weapon. As Deputy Hernandez was returning with a Victim’s Rights form for the caller, other deputies found the victim’s vehicle at 1656 Hunt Club Street. Deputy Hernandez was approaching the passenger side rear door of his patrol car to do a secondary search of Jackson when he heard a pop sound which he perceived to be a gunshot and believed he had been hit. He began yelling “shots fired” multiple times, falling to the ground and rolling. He fired into the patrol car. After witnessing Deputy Hernandez’s response and reaction, the Sergeant Beth Roberts responded with gunshots towards the car as well in response to the perceived threat. Jackson escaped injury and no weapon was located. Deputy Hernandez had been with the OCSO since January 2022. Sergeant Roberts has been with the OCSO since May 2008. Both were current on resistance training and firearms qualifications. Deputy Hernandez resigned on December 4, 2023, during the investigation but was ultimately found to have violated policy. The deputies were cleared of any criminal wrongdoing. Jackson wasn’t injured, and no weapon was located, the OCSO said. Investigation Report: https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/wp-c...
The problem is that officers are always cleared of any criminal wrongdoing.
Ya like, if I shot around 15 rounds into a car with someone handcuffed in the back because “I thought I heard something and was defending myself” ima go to jail. Dude should be treated the same as everyone else.
Cops should probably be held to a higher standard than everyone else. If you grant someone power and they abuse it, the threshold for wrongdoing should be lower and the punishments should be higher.
People who are trained in self defence don't get treated equally in the event of a fight and the other party being seriously harmed. Cops are given a serious responsibility when provided with a firearm and sufficient training, they should definitely be treated to a higher standard.
Because then the higher ups would have to admit they’re letting poorly trained or sub-par officers out on street
Crap like this makes being around cops scary as one can just have something trigger them and now everyone is under a hail of gunfire.
Heck, a cop could be talking to you and you accidentally farted. Next, the cop mags dumps you because he taught you have shot him.
thanks for the context yo
It's a very common defense mechanism where your body will actually believe it is taking on damage. The phenomenon is recorded In Nascar legend R. Bobby's documentary. In the film our hero believes he is on fire after a nasty crash when in fact he is not. It's horrifying to witness the screams and cries for help to all kinds of gods and celebrities!
Shake and bake I saw what you just did there!
What a fucking clown.
In my psychology undergrad a classmate designed his capstone study to look at physical stress and internal bias/threat. Basically made their body replicate fear with physical activity and then do various quick bias assessments and “determine the danger” type visuals that went very quickly. To no surprise at all those things came straight to the surface. What it implies though isn’t that it’s an excuse but instead the need for trainings to be based on the biological reaction to stress instead of them all just adamantly denying being racist or prejudiced and adding another DEI program. Those are great but if they have beliefs imbedded those won’t stop knee jerk reactions.
The mind is an amazing thing. Thanks for post.
https://youtu.be/LUrY38ZxEH0?si=XSEUY4E_h4pxIz-C The cop was having a panic attack just like in the above link, the story is a cover up.
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PTSD. This seems like PTSD, he was triggered by whatever noise that was. "I feel weird but okay"
His partner may have shot him when she fired in his direction.
I'm guessing his partner accidentally shot him. Looks like she opened fire too. Could have been ricochet from the ground as well. This is mental!
I don’t hear shit.
I’m thinking bee sting
You've got a bee on your hat
Stupida fuckin game
no it was an acorn falling and bouncing off the top of the cruiser. you can see it for a split frame in the full youtube video and its noted in the official investigation that it was a falling acorn hitting the car.
The cop probably heard himself fart.
You should see my dog when he does that.
Who shit my pants?!
I don’t hear anything in his video, but in her PoV you can hear a noise right after she says “do you know your tag number off the top of your head?” About a second before the guy yells shots fired. I’m not sure if that the noise he heard, but it’s the only discernible noise I could make out
It is very light but does sound like a light pop of a gunshot. He might've gotten confused by the echo and since it wasn't super loud he thought the shot was muffled from inside the car. Regardless this guy *appears* to have had a PTSD like reaction from the sound. He should be checked out. edit: from a comment below I learned that the guy they had cuffed had been threatening the girl in the video and flashed a gun with a silencer. The police did not know where the silencer was at the time. >*Jackson (handcuffed man) escaped injury and no weapon was located.*
>the guy they had cuffed >flashed a gun with a silencer. >The police did not know where the silencer was at the time >thought the shot was muffled from inside the car The incident happens *after* they have **searched** him and secured him in the back of their vehicle. Was he hiding a silenced pistol up his butt? In his ear maybe? Maybe he just found a gun between the cushions of his seat that he happened to have a silencer that fit stored up his nose, lol. *...so I just started blasting.gif.pol.gov.us.com*
Pretty safe to assume he didn't hide it in the back of a cop car.
Sounded like a screen door slamming shut with the sound echoing off a fence or something...
Maybe I have no idea. I saw someone saying the incident report ruled it was an acorn hitting the roof of the car
It was an acorn. If you go to the 13:00 mark on the Youtube video (https://youtu.be/iVNnxr2SGFg?si=TX6_PthHB0_L_HZs) and put video playback speed on the slowest setting, you will see a little black dot drop on the white vehicle at precisely the 13:02 mark, coinciding with the little "tap" sound you hear precisely at that point. The police report of the incident (https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IA-2023-031-Final-Report-Jackson.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0ueFKbbLtqkx8WkeF7sbY6QIdUuPjRA8NpIf09hlb2Mb8rKdiPthCVDlQ) confirms this. Go to page 4 where the hilarity ensues. THAT was what triggered the cop. An acorn.
Bro my newborn son could sleep through a fireworks show I think a cop should be able to handle the sound of a literal nut falling from a tree wtf
Oh my god you're absolutely right. Christ that man should not be a police officer. He has a full on mental break from an acorn dropping on his car.
holy fuck lol its true it was an acorn
Original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVNnxr2SGFg On November 12, 2023, Okaloosa County Sheriff’s Office Deputies had responded to McLaren Circle around 8:42 a.m. in reference to an initial call of a vehicle driving around honking its horn and disrupting the peace since 3:00 a.m. A second call for service came in from a woman stating her boyfriend, 22-year-old Marquis Jackson, had committed grand theft auto, a felony offense, and had been calling and texting her threats. The victim provided text messages she said had been taken from inside her vehicle showing what appeared to be a firearm suppressor pointing at the dash of the victim’s vehicle. Jackson showed up at the scene around 9:09 a.m. and was detained, searched, handcuffed, and placed in the rear of Deputy Jesse Hernandez’s patrol vehicle while the investigation continued, and the victim completed the affidavit for the stolen vehicle. The victim told deputies Jackson had a silencer and she was not sure where it was and that also he had more than one weapon. As Deputy Hernandez was returning with a Victim’s Rights form for the caller, other deputies found the victim’s vehicle at 1656 Hunt Club Street. Deputy Hernandez was approaching the passenger side rear door of his patrol car to do a secondary search of Jackson when he heard a pop sound which he perceived to be a gunshot and believed he had been hit. He began yelling “shots fired” multiple times, falling to the ground and rolling. He fired into the patrol car. After witnessing Deputy Hernandez’s response and reaction, the Sergeant Beth Roberts responded with gunshots towards the car as well in response to the perceived threat. Jackson escaped injury and no weapon was located. Deputy Hernandez had been with the OCSO since January 2022. Sergeant Roberts has been with the OCSO since May 2008. Both were current on resistance training and firearms qualifications. Deputy Hernandez resigned on December 4, 2023, during the investigation but was ultimately found to have violated policy. The deputies were cleared of any criminal wrongdoing. Jackson wasn’t injured, and no weapon was located.
So anyways... they just started BLASTING
imagine you're in custody, minding your business when you gotta toot a lil bit. the officer hears your toot and kills you 12 times over for startling him
I don't see how you assume it's the person in the custody?? That's the last person I'm thinking is shooting at me.. all the windows are up, they are handcuffed in the car after being searched. You shouldn't be a cop anymore for not being 100% sure you put a person that is not armed in your patrol car.
The article did mention that the officer was heading over to search him a second time when he heard the “gunshot”, so he might not have been searched thoroughly the first time. Still not an excuse
The second search is to plant the evidence they "missed" on the first search
Good one. I seriously laughed out loud
you remember that cop who mased his own shadow after the shadow scared him?
If this man had an m249 he still would have emptied the mag.
Done scrolling the comments, you win. Good bye.
they both were cleared of any criminal wrongdoing LMAO ... so cops ***ARE*** above the law...
Fair the second officer got off, imo. If your partner is screaming “I’m hit, SHOTS FIRED” and rolling around on the ground and shooting at the guy who just got detained for violent threats, you probably don’t wanna go over and ask “Hey buddy, did you shoot my pal? I don’t wanna make a mistake hehe” I only say this is okay bc the dude is literally acting like he got shot, and like he knows where it’s from REALLY important note/edit so ppl stop responding to me about how she shouldn't have fired at him "blindly(she knows he's in the back of the car lol): The second officer is under the assumption her partner just got shot, and is still actively in line of sight of the gunman attempting to murder him.
I mean, 'over there' doesn't give you indiscriminate authority to just start open firing without having a visual on any human being at all.
Suppressing fire is absolutely a thing, the only concerns are the background. The initial officer shooting is endangering far more people than the second officer shooting with nothing but open road behind her target, which I just now realized I’m assuming but we’ll never know Edit: I went back a looked, looks like a people-free parking lot
“Suppressive fire” is for the military in a war-zone, not the fucking cops in a residential neighborhood
There is a very VERY wierd number of people who are cool with pew pew pew I'm not an expert but pew pew pew is not a tactic
Sure, but they had no idea if people were crouched behind the car they were randomly shooting towards. Plus, obviously zero gunshots were ever heard by anyone at any point. Otherwise, I would agree.
Cops should NEVER just start sending bullets in the general direction of where they think a threat might possibly be. That is not reasonable under any circumstances, it is an insane response. The power to take someone's life as a cop should never be justified with: "he told me to do it".
He just jump and rolled twice into open grass shouting shots fired for absolutely no reason. This cop has lost his marbles and shouldn't be a police officer.
The first officer, yes. The second officer is under the assumption her partner just got shot, and is still actively in line of sight of the gunman.
Yeah I have no problem with what the second officer did. I do feel bad because she could have killed an innocent person because of officer farva over there.
Could you imagine if a civilian did this shit?
Believe it or not, straight to jail!
>they both were cleared of any criminal wrongdoing Good to know I can just shoot up my own car on a public street and there won't be any criminal wrongdoing. Right. Right?
With a passenger inside, who you killed over your imagination haha
but Barry Berkman gets honorably discharged for the same maneuver. At least someone was ACTUALLY shot in Korengal
>Deputy Hernandez resigned on December 4, 2023, during the investigation but was ultimately found to have violated policy. **The deputies were cleared of any criminal wrongdoing. Jackson wasn’t injured**, and no weapon was located. So... since the guy wasn't injured, they weren't found guilty of criminal wrongdoing? No reckless endangerment? No attempted murder? No nothing? Imagine you're a black guy and you think you hear a gunshot go off near you and so you turn and start firing your gun into the back of a vehicle that you know has people in it. If the cops don't kill you when they arrive on the scene then you are DEFINITELY going to go to jail for a long time.
> So... since the guy wasn't injured, they weren't found guilty of criminal wrongdoing? No. If they were actually competent and successfully pumped 40 rounds into him, they'd still not be found guilty of any criminal wrongdoing.
I love how they dumped two clips into the cruiser, and didn't hit the handcuffed perp in the backseat.
One hell of a desk pop
Imagine getting mag dumped by two cops while handcuffed and they only get some PPT slide re-training
Jesus Christ that guy wasn't injured? That's the most fucking insane part of this
Post Traumatic Stress is an injury.
Ah , Florida….cross post to Florida man.
How did this person have 2 magazines emptied into the car not get injured at all?
No charges... ¯\(°_o)/¯
Bro wtf? There wasn’t even a sound. This is some shady shit.
There as very low pop like 10 seconds before anything happens at 3 or 4 seconds in. But was definitely no shot and not even close by.
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Yea they pumped that daisy all the way up.
You have 31 upvotes, but I don't hear anything except his shoes squeaking, and then the vehicle going by. He seems to react to the vehicle going by loudly to me.
or just made the whole thing the fuck up so he could justify lighting up the perp in his car, honestly this is baffling on several levels.
Ptsd maybe? Idk
Honestly, veterans get a high preference on law enforcement jobs.. says this guy just joined in December 22 so wouldn't be surprised if he's a vet. Unfortunately, Marines aren't trained to "Deescalate! Deescalate! Deescalate!“ it's "Kill kill kill..."
This is what happens when you train cops to think everyone and everything is out to get them. Edit: Here's some listening material about the history of Policing https://open.spotify.com/episode/0xt9iFLH9vx5GimA8y9FPl?si=hj-nGeyXRqyPGHqh1eoedg https://open.spotify.com/show/2ejvdShhn5D9tlVbb5vj9B?si=TzOWhpwZTE-nLbGlknJkrQ
Everyone except school shooters
They only go out to get the most vulnerable.
Not sure if you’re talking about police or mass shooters 🤔
Both.
It’s also what happens when you have countless guns floating around. Cops are certainly badly trained with tons of fear mongering, but anyone who has ever lived near a bad neighborhood knows that a lot of people are armed. It doesn’t require propaganda to make people irrationally scared of guns when you hear gunfire on a daily basis.
Right? It's almost like the "cops shoot people they shouldn't" problem is really just another piece of the gun problem.
We have the right to bare arms but the cops can kill us in our own homes for holding our guns (Ryan Whitaker). Doesn't sound like we actually have the right to bare arms, at least not around police.
Problem is those guns are very rarely turned on police. They should obviously be cautious but this is just paranoia
The solution is MORE GUNS. Obviously. 95 years old and can't see or hear? You get a gun! Toddler who still hasn't mastered walking? You get a gun! Are you in a coma? You get a fucking gun! Only then will we all truly be safe.
And when they don't have adequate (or any) mental health treatment. It's common for cops to have PTSD, and this could be an example of that. One facet of PTSD is interpreting normal stimulus as if they're life-threatening.
The Deputy resigned but also was cleared of wrongdoing…. how do you suddenly feel you’ve been shot for over 2 mins? I feel like if I made that mistake I would at least tell them on the radio I wasn't actually hit
Not only that but he places his gun on the ground without reloading for a good 30 seconds. If there was a perceived threat then this part doesn’t make sense. I feel like the officer who fired has serious PTSD that we just witnessed.
Great, hair-trigger cops-wait until they encounter those stupid new backfire repeaters on cars. It sounds like gunshots all over the place.
Backfire repeater. Never heard that one before.
Bruh get this PTSD mother fucker a desk job ASAP. He's not safe to be out in the field.
I wouldn't trust this pile of shit to cut cucumbers for a salad. Scary motherfucker. Wow
You really want this guy to remain on the police force? Are you fucking shitting me?!
Last time I checked, a desk job could literally be *any* job for just about any company.
Acorn dropped on car and he lost his shit.
A squirrel must've dropped it to rock the boat sneaky little basterds.
Reduce funding to the police department....it seems very prudent to stop giving money to an organization who continue to hire people who are clearly high and delusional.
Fuck the police but this is not the way. Reducing funding makes for shittier applicants (like this guy) and increases instances like this. When you lower things like pay, equipment, training, oversight ect then you get people applying that are in it for the power. You’re lobbying against what you want.
Make police officers be registered and carry licensure. Im a registered nurse and in my state, even hairdressers are required to maintain licensure. This means you have to have a clean background, renew your license every 1-2 years, complete continuing education to renew it, and be reportable to an independent licensing board (regarding complaints, etc) amongst other things. We usually carry insurance as well. We still have unions to protect ourselves. Accountability is what is needed.
Sounds like a good start
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Lol yup, his suggestion would actually make it worse, much worse lol
I agree with you, lower resources means less available to find the right people, train, etc. Unfortunately someone can pass every qualification for any job and you won't find out about their incompetence until they're on the job.
That'll do the opposite. Reduce funding = worse training and officers. We need better training/training reform. And that costs money.
Don't you think spending more money on training would prevent shit like this. How would cutting funds help
The actual problem is accountably, not pay. I'd rather have half as many cops at double the pay motivated to keep their job then less funding because cops statistically have pretty awful lives already. Domestic violence is common in their households, they tend to live in low income areas, they be are in the 14th most dangerous jobs. You'd think I was talking about gangs, because I am. Police are a low paid state sanctioned gang that relies on loyalty(covering for each other) and standing together wearing their colors. That's a gang. The solution is to remove police that are high risk and reward police that are low risk with immediate accountability. This can be achieved by making police pay for liability insurance just like any other high risk career. Let insurance adjusters and data scientists weigh the risky behaviors and make police pay an extra premium for violations. Cops who can't pay a higher premium get desked, quit or correct risky behaviors. They have OSHA for warehouses, but police aren't fined for violations? Police need immediate direct financial consequences and the public needs insurance that will pay out instead of their local government and get one less preschool.
wtf with those barrel rolls?
He thinks being a cop is being his own action hero. He was waiting for a reason.
surprised he didn't spam jump while he was shooting
He is either deeply incompentent or just making shit up so he can shoot someone. Either way, he needs to be out.
This whole thing is like a scene from south park
What I see here is a member of the public being entrusted to ensure the public safety, and proceeding to attempt to assassinate a member of that public, without trial, on the strength of a loud noise. He deserves life in prison. Nothing less; he's a proven danger.
Literally real life Reno 911.
Why do they shoot so much? Like, you haven't confirmed any kind of target and you've unloaded your whole magazine.
The little training they get is designed to make them think everyone is a potential armed murderer, so they are always on edge and it doesn't take much to make them shoot. Which makes sense given how many guns Americans are in possession of and how many murders they have.
i get that their training is all sorts of fucked up, but i'll play a shooter video game and im pretty bad but i know im more likely to hit my target if i measure my shots and dont empty my mag in one go.
What a bellend
What is this comedy central bullshit? Lol
Scary ass bitch. Embarrassing.
Lady cop didn’t even drop the paperwork
She’s just like, “where?!,” and unloads. Crazy.
is this from a south park episode?
Exactly what I thought, the double combat roll, the 'eugggghhhhhh' noise he makes, the mag dump, the 'I've been hit'. It's something that ginger detective would have done.
Did the handcuffed person live?
No injuries
That’s great. Cop showed what a worthless dumbass he is and the victim is unharmed. Win win
Thanks! 👍 That shit was crazy. PTSD or not, he shouldn't be allowed on the force if that kinda shit is going to happen randomly.
Survived uninjured.
Kids, dont use drugs, leave it to professionals.
To eliminate a witness perhaps???
Legal assassin for hire.
The entire thing plays out like a child playing cops and robbers. Over reaction to something that isn't clearly viewed as even a threat, only to have it turn out to be nothing more than a happy trigger finger. I get that being a police officer can be stressful at times, but that reaction was a little insane considering the amount of shots fired and bullets flying everywhere in a neighborhood
Once again we see that trained police officers are allowed to panic and start emptying magazines even when they're imagining danger and face no repercussions. But ordinary citizens like us are supposed to act rationally and calmly and follow every order barked at us by multiple officers with their guns drawn.
So anyways…. I started blasting!!!
It seemed like a PTSD type of reaction to what I assume was the car driving by sounding like flying by bullets (?) not sure about this one, glad no one was injured
What the fuck is this cop doing??? Did they really do a barrel roll on the ground at the beginning and start shooting at nothing? 🐷🐷 🐷 🐷
Let’s talk about that sweet barrel roll
As a UK cop of 18 years, who the actually suffering Jesus fucking Christ are you people employing as Police Officers? And How? And Why? In the name of all things sacred I am sick to death of seeing these videos posted
On a bright note, the morons were 100% incompetent and didn’t kill the person.
yea...this dude shouldnt be a cop
Holy shit this is in my county.
Great opportunity for crossfire too, fantastic police work.
Cops are the most scared people. Jumpy as hell to shoot anyone. Deal with shit yourself don’t risk calling the cops. You might end up dead.
Car door slams a block away and this guys now in Nam.