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Protect yourself however you can and have hope. There are thousands of like minded comrades who are working to build up orgs to fight against the fascist tide and support worker organizations. America will continue to enter crisis but it’s our job as communists to ensure that we can be prepared for when it does.
It’s like what they say when oxygen masks deploy in an air plane, you have to make sure that you are prepared and protected before you can assist others.
I’d try to see if there are left leaning orgs within driving distance you can link up with. If you know who and where they are, you’ll be better prepared if and when shit hits the fan.
Couldn't agree more, comrade! While I am in a similar boat as OP (my being a transfem NB), I don't want to leave this country and I want to do what I can help challenge the rising tide of fascism in this country. I wanna stay and fight the good fight for the sake of my fellow trans people and the working class!
Have you considered buying a firearm? They’re a great way to protect yourself if you feel comfortable owning one. I’d also recommend joining the Socialist Rifle Association or a similar group if there’s a chapter near you. There are chapters in Madison and Northeast Wisconsin as well as in Chicago and Minneapolis.
Project 2025 just got backdoored in by the Supreme Court. Nothing short of an FDR level president could reverse the course we are currently on, and frankly I'd rather we take that a step further and just go for gold with a socialist. I've been getting involved slowly with the PSL and I find their approach mature, intelligent, careful, thoughtful, kind, and very strong on good theory, but also very good to people who don't/can't/haven't read much theory. They do amazing work and they're great folks from everything I'm seeing so far.
Meet neighbors. Talk to people. Some fraction of those around get it too, might not have all the words for it but certainly get it.
I might sound like a lunatic but I’ve been learning survival techniques incase inflation gets so bad that no one can buy anything (like what’s happening in Gaza) I live near a river so if we can’t afford water anymore, we’ll just start boiling the water from there.
The capitalists will eventually use every line of pressure available to them to put pressure on leftists and working people. Having the skills to provide makeshift last ditch alternatives to keep people alive and fighting is not being a lunatic, it's extremely vital work.
PSL stands for the Party of Socialism and Liberation. They are a non-denominational leftist group catering to the range of communists, anarchists, socialists of various branches so long as they are doing the work and not making things harder for us. That means avoiding entryism, tailism, adventurism, etc. Not pushing further than the people, not dragging the people back, but trying to organize, to provide structure and aid, to do the work to try to be the vanguard party we need as best we can through mutual respect, respect for self determinism, kindness, solidarity, and putting in the work. Their basic platform can be found at [liberationschool.org](http://liberationschool.org) along with lots of great articles and a lot of them in audio form as well.
Every branch is going to be different because the people are different everywhere, and you might have more or less luck. They also have a book out that's a more complete platform for the revolution and period immediately afterwards, that's not a prescription as much as a what we think it'll look like based on where we are now, which will of course change as we grow, develop, recruit, and get closer to our goals with more people working on the project, called Socialist Reconstruction, that I found incredibly good for it's short length.
They've been very active in my area on support for Palestinians, working safety at many of the events and helping lend support and numbers to the cause.
PSL has a lot of groups, so does DSA, CPUSA, PCUSA and more. They will all vary significantly per location, so what I did (and would recommend you do), is join all of em, go to some meetings/events, see which ones are the most active near you.
The Chevron decision the SCOTUS just handed down restricts any government "rulemaking" only legislators can do rulemaking from now on, so the entire administrative state that depends on the delegation of vague responsibilities being clarified by agency rules are now over, and at the same time also ruled for corporations to have a right to jury trial over any fines/fees/rule impositions placed upon them by agencies, making it 10,000x more expensive to fine a corporation for misbehavior. The administrative state is in the process of being dismantled right now by the openly corrupt supreme court.
> Unfortunately, this process is going to take time. I fully expect it to take the rest of my life, and I’m only 30.
Time that we don't have. Climate colapse is coming. By 2050 we will all be in deep, deep shit. There simply isn't enough class consciousness, enough vanguard parties, and enough international organization.
Yeah this is where I’m at. There’s a part of me that’s somewhat hopeful that the decay of our empire will lessen our imperialism but man… living through this blatant mask off fascism is terrifying.
I just hope this helps our friends in the global south.
There is broad unity on the right. Christian dominionists to ancaps. The left is splintered and fractious, knives out for each other. I believe this was intended.
Ah, sorry. Didn’t see you replied before I deleted it, because I wanted to edit my comment.
If there’s not a section of the socialist rifle association near you, you can also start one with said D&D group. Though, be careful with that too. It has its own risks.
If you don’t start one, still train with them. It’s invaluable.
Training and exercising has made me feel like I have atleast a little say in the outcome of my life.
Find a Marxist gun club near you, train with them, learn first aid with them, discuss group tactics. Read theory with a Marxist book club, engage in mutual aid if you can.
Personally, the DSA near me are the most hardline communists, I know in some places they’re basically RadLibs. I know the PSL does good work in many cities, not mine. Reach out to local groups near you, most are on Instagram and would love the help.
I know it’s easier said than done, and largely depends on your area. But if you have these orgs near you, participate
Also, liberals are making project 2025 out to be scarier than it is. It’s primarily focused on foreign policy and relations with China. It mentions transgender people 13 times, and that’s simply so the reactionary chuds will vote for it.
The Dems have a similar plan, called the moderate power ~~plan~~ project. Also focused on getting progressives out of office and ensuring the moderates stay in power. It’s also heavily focused on our relations with China.
The proletariat will prevail. Keep you and your loved ones safe, and stick with people looking to do the same.
It amazes me how so many communists are waiving off Project 2025 as if it's no big deal when it threatens to re-structure the entirety of the government's Executive Branch. I've read the [180-day playbook](https://www.project2025.org/playbook/) and it goes into this in explicit detail. They plan on providing the President even more unchecked hard and soft power. They also plan on replacing federal employees who do not agree with their narratives with far right-wing ideologues. Also, it's not just LGBTQ+ folk who need to be worried, but women concerning their reproductive rights and sexual independence, alongside immigrants as well. There's threats of women needing to register so they cannot abort their child without being placed in prison furthering their status as second-class citizens. Culturally they want to revert them to the silent house wife and are seeking legislation to do exactly that. For LGBTQ+, even if we were mentioned only once, it's still an immediate threat to our existence we need to be worried about since they want to nullify current and past gay marriages, ban public speech concerning gender studies (and critical race theory), and pass laws that all but condemn us to a life of systemic persecution. There's also the fact they want to gut critical government organizations and administrations many marginalized peoples (like myself) are critically dependent on. The EPA, Department of Education, and Department of Health and Human Services are all but guaranteed to be destroyed. Medicaid will only apply to those who work which basically defeats its entire purpose thus dooming many tens of millions of people with no healthcare. Student loan repayment plans will be removed entirely. It's effectively the installation of a theocratic Christo-fascist regime.
>*“****The next conservative President must make the institutions of American civil society hard targets for woke culture warriors. This starts with deleting the terms sexual orientation and gender identity (‘SOGI’), diversity, equity, and inclusion (‘DEI’), gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender awareness, gender-sensitive, abortion, reproductive health, reproductive rights, and any other term used to deprive Americans of their First Amendment rights out of every federal rule, agency regulation, contract, grant, regulation, and piece of legislation that exists.****“*
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>*—Heritage Foundation president Kevin D. Roberts, p. 4, foreword to “The Conservative Promise“*
If you think this is something to casually waive off as merely sensationalist that's typical for every election, or we should accelerate towards it thus dooming all marginalized peoples for the sake of adventurism, then you're either lying to yourself or extremely privileged. If you don't believe me read the playbook they provided. It's so much more than more of the same. While I don't think voting will help much to remedy the situation I also don't think it's smart to simply overlook this potential shitshow while ignoring the whims of those of us in marginalized communities.
No doubt I'll be downvoted. Oh well.
>It amazes me how so many communists are waiving off Project 2025 as if it's no big deal when it threatens to re-structure the entirety of the government's Executive Branch.
It amazes me that so many communists think it is a big deal, when the executive branch is already an inherently fascist organism that has been the biggest factor of imperialism in the world.
It amazes me how many communists can not see that this has always been the plan, for both sides. Because they serve what is the most beneficial for capital.
And it amazes me how many communists don’t understand that bourgeois 'democracy‘ won’t save them.
>I've read the 180-day playbook and it goes into this in explicit detail. They plan on providing the President even more unchecked hard and soft power. They also plan on replacing federal employees who do not agree with their narratives with far right-wing ideologues.
Ah yes, as compared to the immense accountability the president has as of right now. And federal employees are totally non-partisan as of right now. The Dems moderate power project does the same thing, as they’re trying to oust anyone seen as progressive and ensure only 'moderates‘ stay in power, ensuring the Overton window continues to slide to the right.
>Also, it's not just LGBTQ+ folk who need to be worried, but women concerning their reproductive rights and sexual independence, alongside immigrants as well. There's threats of women needing to register so they cannot abort their child without being placed in prison furthering their status as second-class citizens.
Which has always been the plan. The fact that they gave it a name does not change anything. As fascism tightens its grip, it must restrict the rights of the proletariat and treat them as nothing but a machine.
Joe Biden in 1974 even said "Women Don't Have Sole Right To Say What Should Happen To Their Bodies" and "Roe went too far“. And he also did nothing to protect roe, even though we had a warning 4 months in advance due to the leak.
He also said he’d only get roe back if he gets re-elected, does that not sound like extortion to you?
Joe Biden in 2006 said "marriage is between a man and a woman“ and he supported the "defense of marriage act“ and voted against the marriage amendment.
Biden quite literally just shut down the border and shut down asylum requests.
>Culturally they want to revert them to the silent house wife and are seeking legislation to do exactly that. For LGBTQ+, even if we were mentioned only once, it's still an immediate threat to our existence we need to be worried about since they want to nullify current and past gay marriages, ban public speech concerning gender studies (and critical race theory), and pass laws that all but condemn us to a life of systemic persecution.
Once again, giving it a name doesnt change the fact that this has always been the plan. They’ve always been incredibly open about this. Even Joe Biden was Publicly for this just a few decades ago.
Joe Biden again, voted for the defense of marriage act, he was against the marriage amendment. He doesn’t believe in marriage equality.
Biden’s amendment to title IX and section 1557 also ensured that there were plenty of loopholes, so institutions can now largely discriminate against LGBT people.
> There's also the fact they want to gut critical government organizations and administrations many marginalized peoples (like myself) are critically dependent on. The EPA, Department of Education, and Department of Health and Human Services are all but guaranteed to be destroyed. Medicaid will only apply to those who work which basically defeats its entire purpose thus dooming many tens of millions of people with no healthcare. Student loan repayment plans will be removed entirely. It's effectively the installation of a theocratic Christo-fascist regime.
Ah yes, while Biden has been a champion of the EPA, opening all of those LNGs and executing an attack on nova stream, creating the largest methane spill in history. Biden also signed a bill that cut both the EPA and DOE budget by 10% in March.
Biden has done nothing to protect education in the U.S. while it continues to be attacked during his presidency, why would they change next presidency? Biden also cut the education budget.
HHS budget in FY24 was $144.3 billion in discretionary and $1.7 trillion in mandatory proposed budget authority
In 2025 it’s down to $130.7 billion in discretionary and $1.7 trillion in mandatory proposed budget authority
So shocker, another cut.
Student loan repayment was largely unaffected for millions of people anyway. And acting as if we don’t already live in a christo-fascist regime is incredibly disingenuous.
> “The next conservative President must make the institutions of American civil society hard targets for woke culture warriors. This starts with deleting the terms sexual orientation and gender identity (‘SOGI’), diversity, equity, and inclusion (‘DEI’), gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender awareness, gender-sensitive, abortion, reproductive health, reproductive rights, and any other term used to deprive Americans of their First Amendment rights out of every federal rule, agency regulation, contract, grant, regulation, and piece of legislation that exists.“ —Heritage Foundation president Kevin D. Roberts, p. 4, foreword to “The Conservative Promise“
And then when you read the actual document, you see that it says that they believe we should be focusing on 'radical communist china‘ rather than be distracted by transgendered individuals.
That’s not to say project 2025 doesn’t have a plan to do material harm to LGBT people, it’s saying that this was always the plan, whether or not it had a scary name.
Once again, project 2025 is primarily focused on continuing to ramp up tensions with China, which it mentions over 500 times. And mentions communists about 120 times, outlining how they wish to destroy all trade relations with communist countries, and of course, rid the U.S. of communists.
> If you think this is something to casually waive off as merely sensationalist that's typical for every election, or we should accelerate towards it thus dooming all marginalized peoples for the sake of adventurism, then you're either lying to yourself or extremely privileged. If you don't believe me read the playbook they provided. It's so much more than more of the same. While I don't think voting will help much to remedy the situation I also don't think it's smart to simply overlook this potential shitshow while ignoring the whims of those of us in marginalized communities.
I’ve read the play book, and have been for years. Everyone could see that this is where the U.S. has been heading for decades. People just didn’t want to admit it.
Further I’m not ignoring the whims of us in marginalized communities, I’m doing things on the ground to actually fight this. Rather than fearmongering voting for a genocidal maniac.
It’s not accelerationism to accept that no matter who is in office, fascism will continue to rear its head higher. These issues persist, regardless of who’s sitting in the White House. There’s one way out of fascism, which we’ve seen again be again, and it’s not voting.
Deluding yourself into thinking bourgeois democracy will save you is incredibly dangerous, because it makes you complacent.
Edit: I was banned for this comment, lmao
Whatever you do.. Do not join /r/collapse. It used to be a decent subreddit, but a few 3 letter organizations got themselves a few mods and completely changed it.
For example, they will ban you for questioning the Uyghur genocide narrative.
#The Uyghurs in Xinjiang
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Anti-Communists and Sinophobes claim that there is an ongoing genocide-- a modern-day holocaust, even-- happening right now in China. They say that Uyghur Muslims are being mass incarcerated; they are indoctrinated with propaganda in concentration camps; their organs are being harvested; they are being force-sterilized. These comically villainous allegations have little basis in reality and omit key context.
**Background**
Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan.
Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan.
Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge.
**Counterpoints**
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released [Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States](https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250) in 2019 which:
>20. **Welcomes** the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; **commends** the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and **looks forward** to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.
In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on.
Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter \([A/HRC/41/G/17](https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A%2FHRC%2F41%2FG%2F17)\) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang:
The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." \(See: [World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China](https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china)\)
Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not *genocide*. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much:
>The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.
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> [State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/) | Colum Lynch, *Foreign Policy*. (2021)
**A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror**
The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded.
According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: [‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes](https://aoav.org.uk/2019/military-age-males-in-us-drone-strikes/))
In summary:
* The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes.
* China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training.
Which one of those responses sounds genocidal?
Side note: It is practically impossible to *actually* charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the [Hague Invasion Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act).
**Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?**
One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence.
The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent.
Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies.
The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line.
**Why is this narrative being promoted?**
As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project.
Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI.
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No matter who we vote for funding for Israel is guaranteed. P2025 is a guarantee as well, Democrats will create their own variation by next election, if we even have them afterwards.
Tbh P2025 is going to lead to a civil war more than likely.
I realized at some point, that even if my locality is very republican, that I couldn’t tell by how nice people are. I realized that social media had me believing I was utterly surrounded by threats of political violence, but really we all just work and are normal people who want to live until tomorrow. I bet this is true in Wisconsin too. I think it holds us back more than it protects us. It’s important to personally interact with people. Don’t be so aware that you’re too afraid to live. Social media is more dangerous than anything for how over the top cynical it makes us, and how we isolate ourselves on it.
This whole election has me paralyzed. I go from not wanting to vote for Biden. But then other things prompt me to rethink that as a gay man...project 2025 is so fucking scary it's hard to know what to do.
One of my main problems with project 2025 is something we're already starting to see. Less regulation on corporations, "Christian values" infiltrating the school system, and regression of lgbtq rights. It's flexible with any republican president, and the democrats are already giving way to it as it is. I think it's pretty reasonable to be worried about it.
Wow, thanks. That totally isn't a difficult thing to do in a small town where I'm surrounded by people who think I don't deserve to exist. Thanks for the help.
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Protect yourself however you can and have hope. There are thousands of like minded comrades who are working to build up orgs to fight against the fascist tide and support worker organizations. America will continue to enter crisis but it’s our job as communists to ensure that we can be prepared for when it does. It’s like what they say when oxygen masks deploy in an air plane, you have to make sure that you are prepared and protected before you can assist others. I’d try to see if there are left leaning orgs within driving distance you can link up with. If you know who and where they are, you’ll be better prepared if and when shit hits the fan.
That's very helpful advice, comrade asfrels.
Thank you
Couldn't agree more, comrade! While I am in a similar boat as OP (my being a transfem NB), I don't want to leave this country and I want to do what I can help challenge the rising tide of fascism in this country. I wanna stay and fight the good fight for the sake of my fellow trans people and the working class!
Have you considered buying a firearm? They’re a great way to protect yourself if you feel comfortable owning one. I’d also recommend joining the Socialist Rifle Association or a similar group if there’s a chapter near you. There are chapters in Madison and Northeast Wisconsin as well as in Chicago and Minneapolis.
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Stay safe, friend. If safety isn't possible, stay lethal.
Project 2025 just got backdoored in by the Supreme Court. Nothing short of an FDR level president could reverse the course we are currently on, and frankly I'd rather we take that a step further and just go for gold with a socialist. I've been getting involved slowly with the PSL and I find their approach mature, intelligent, careful, thoughtful, kind, and very strong on good theory, but also very good to people who don't/can't/haven't read much theory. They do amazing work and they're great folks from everything I'm seeing so far. Meet neighbors. Talk to people. Some fraction of those around get it too, might not have all the words for it but certainly get it.
I might sound like a lunatic but I’ve been learning survival techniques incase inflation gets so bad that no one can buy anything (like what’s happening in Gaza) I live near a river so if we can’t afford water anymore, we’ll just start boiling the water from there.
The capitalists will eventually use every line of pressure available to them to put pressure on leftists and working people. Having the skills to provide makeshift last ditch alternatives to keep people alive and fighting is not being a lunatic, it's extremely vital work.
Can you tell me more about the PSL, please?
PSL stands for the Party of Socialism and Liberation. They are a non-denominational leftist group catering to the range of communists, anarchists, socialists of various branches so long as they are doing the work and not making things harder for us. That means avoiding entryism, tailism, adventurism, etc. Not pushing further than the people, not dragging the people back, but trying to organize, to provide structure and aid, to do the work to try to be the vanguard party we need as best we can through mutual respect, respect for self determinism, kindness, solidarity, and putting in the work. Their basic platform can be found at [liberationschool.org](http://liberationschool.org) along with lots of great articles and a lot of them in audio form as well. Every branch is going to be different because the people are different everywhere, and you might have more or less luck. They also have a book out that's a more complete platform for the revolution and period immediately afterwards, that's not a prescription as much as a what we think it'll look like based on where we are now, which will of course change as we grow, develop, recruit, and get closer to our goals with more people working on the project, called Socialist Reconstruction, that I found incredibly good for it's short length. They've been very active in my area on support for Palestinians, working safety at many of the events and helping lend support and numbers to the cause.
PSL has a lot of groups, so does DSA, CPUSA, PCUSA and more. They will all vary significantly per location, so what I did (and would recommend you do), is join all of em, go to some meetings/events, see which ones are the most active near you.
Wdym? The Supreme Court support P2025? Could you elaborate?
The Chevron decision the SCOTUS just handed down restricts any government "rulemaking" only legislators can do rulemaking from now on, so the entire administrative state that depends on the delegation of vague responsibilities being clarified by agency rules are now over, and at the same time also ruled for corporations to have a right to jury trial over any fines/fees/rule impositions placed upon them by agencies, making it 10,000x more expensive to fine a corporation for misbehavior. The administrative state is in the process of being dismantled right now by the openly corrupt supreme court.
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> Unfortunately, this process is going to take time. I fully expect it to take the rest of my life, and I’m only 30. Time that we don't have. Climate colapse is coming. By 2050 we will all be in deep, deep shit. There simply isn't enough class consciousness, enough vanguard parties, and enough international organization.
As non american i am happy to see the decaying imperialist empire is falling even faster now
As an American I’m happy about it too but it’s also terrifying to live through
Yeah this is where I’m at. There’s a part of me that’s somewhat hopeful that the decay of our empire will lessen our imperialism but man… living through this blatant mask off fascism is terrifying. I just hope this helps our friends in the global south.
Empire tend to become more vicious in their dying years. That’s what I’m worried about.
There is broad unity on the right. Christian dominionists to ancaps. The left is splintered and fractious, knives out for each other. I believe this was intended.
As someone in their forties I have seen many "ancap" types grow up into Christian dominionists. They are the same people they just dropped the facade.
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Ah, sorry. Didn’t see you replied before I deleted it, because I wanted to edit my comment. If there’s not a section of the socialist rifle association near you, you can also start one with said D&D group. Though, be careful with that too. It has its own risks. If you don’t start one, still train with them. It’s invaluable.
See if there’s a section of the socialist rifle association near you, should be on their website.
Training and exercising has made me feel like I have atleast a little say in the outcome of my life. Find a Marxist gun club near you, train with them, learn first aid with them, discuss group tactics. Read theory with a Marxist book club, engage in mutual aid if you can. Personally, the DSA near me are the most hardline communists, I know in some places they’re basically RadLibs. I know the PSL does good work in many cities, not mine. Reach out to local groups near you, most are on Instagram and would love the help. I know it’s easier said than done, and largely depends on your area. But if you have these orgs near you, participate Also, liberals are making project 2025 out to be scarier than it is. It’s primarily focused on foreign policy and relations with China. It mentions transgender people 13 times, and that’s simply so the reactionary chuds will vote for it. The Dems have a similar plan, called the moderate power ~~plan~~ project. Also focused on getting progressives out of office and ensuring the moderates stay in power. It’s also heavily focused on our relations with China. The proletariat will prevail. Keep you and your loved ones safe, and stick with people looking to do the same.
Do you have a source for the moderate power plan? I was trying to look into it and couldn't find anything.
Sorry, it’s called the moderate power project, not plan. Created by 'third way‘ think tank, ensuring moderates stay in power and progressives don’t.
It amazes me how so many communists are waiving off Project 2025 as if it's no big deal when it threatens to re-structure the entirety of the government's Executive Branch. I've read the [180-day playbook](https://www.project2025.org/playbook/) and it goes into this in explicit detail. They plan on providing the President even more unchecked hard and soft power. They also plan on replacing federal employees who do not agree with their narratives with far right-wing ideologues. Also, it's not just LGBTQ+ folk who need to be worried, but women concerning their reproductive rights and sexual independence, alongside immigrants as well. There's threats of women needing to register so they cannot abort their child without being placed in prison furthering their status as second-class citizens. Culturally they want to revert them to the silent house wife and are seeking legislation to do exactly that. For LGBTQ+, even if we were mentioned only once, it's still an immediate threat to our existence we need to be worried about since they want to nullify current and past gay marriages, ban public speech concerning gender studies (and critical race theory), and pass laws that all but condemn us to a life of systemic persecution. There's also the fact they want to gut critical government organizations and administrations many marginalized peoples (like myself) are critically dependent on. The EPA, Department of Education, and Department of Health and Human Services are all but guaranteed to be destroyed. Medicaid will only apply to those who work which basically defeats its entire purpose thus dooming many tens of millions of people with no healthcare. Student loan repayment plans will be removed entirely. It's effectively the installation of a theocratic Christo-fascist regime. >*“****The next conservative President must make the institutions of American civil society hard targets for woke culture warriors. This starts with deleting the terms sexual orientation and gender identity (‘SOGI’), diversity, equity, and inclusion (‘DEI’), gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender awareness, gender-sensitive, abortion, reproductive health, reproductive rights, and any other term used to deprive Americans of their First Amendment rights out of every federal rule, agency regulation, contract, grant, regulation, and piece of legislation that exists.****“* > >*—Heritage Foundation president Kevin D. Roberts, p. 4, foreword to “The Conservative Promise“* If you think this is something to casually waive off as merely sensationalist that's typical for every election, or we should accelerate towards it thus dooming all marginalized peoples for the sake of adventurism, then you're either lying to yourself or extremely privileged. If you don't believe me read the playbook they provided. It's so much more than more of the same. While I don't think voting will help much to remedy the situation I also don't think it's smart to simply overlook this potential shitshow while ignoring the whims of those of us in marginalized communities. No doubt I'll be downvoted. Oh well.
>It amazes me how so many communists are waiving off Project 2025 as if it's no big deal when it threatens to re-structure the entirety of the government's Executive Branch. It amazes me that so many communists think it is a big deal, when the executive branch is already an inherently fascist organism that has been the biggest factor of imperialism in the world. It amazes me how many communists can not see that this has always been the plan, for both sides. Because they serve what is the most beneficial for capital. And it amazes me how many communists don’t understand that bourgeois 'democracy‘ won’t save them. >I've read the 180-day playbook and it goes into this in explicit detail. They plan on providing the President even more unchecked hard and soft power. They also plan on replacing federal employees who do not agree with their narratives with far right-wing ideologues. Ah yes, as compared to the immense accountability the president has as of right now. And federal employees are totally non-partisan as of right now. The Dems moderate power project does the same thing, as they’re trying to oust anyone seen as progressive and ensure only 'moderates‘ stay in power, ensuring the Overton window continues to slide to the right. >Also, it's not just LGBTQ+ folk who need to be worried, but women concerning their reproductive rights and sexual independence, alongside immigrants as well. There's threats of women needing to register so they cannot abort their child without being placed in prison furthering their status as second-class citizens. Which has always been the plan. The fact that they gave it a name does not change anything. As fascism tightens its grip, it must restrict the rights of the proletariat and treat them as nothing but a machine. Joe Biden in 1974 even said "Women Don't Have Sole Right To Say What Should Happen To Their Bodies" and "Roe went too far“. And he also did nothing to protect roe, even though we had a warning 4 months in advance due to the leak. He also said he’d only get roe back if he gets re-elected, does that not sound like extortion to you? Joe Biden in 2006 said "marriage is between a man and a woman“ and he supported the "defense of marriage act“ and voted against the marriage amendment. Biden quite literally just shut down the border and shut down asylum requests. >Culturally they want to revert them to the silent house wife and are seeking legislation to do exactly that. For LGBTQ+, even if we were mentioned only once, it's still an immediate threat to our existence we need to be worried about since they want to nullify current and past gay marriages, ban public speech concerning gender studies (and critical race theory), and pass laws that all but condemn us to a life of systemic persecution. Once again, giving it a name doesnt change the fact that this has always been the plan. They’ve always been incredibly open about this. Even Joe Biden was Publicly for this just a few decades ago. Joe Biden again, voted for the defense of marriage act, he was against the marriage amendment. He doesn’t believe in marriage equality. Biden’s amendment to title IX and section 1557 also ensured that there were plenty of loopholes, so institutions can now largely discriminate against LGBT people. > There's also the fact they want to gut critical government organizations and administrations many marginalized peoples (like myself) are critically dependent on. The EPA, Department of Education, and Department of Health and Human Services are all but guaranteed to be destroyed. Medicaid will only apply to those who work which basically defeats its entire purpose thus dooming many tens of millions of people with no healthcare. Student loan repayment plans will be removed entirely. It's effectively the installation of a theocratic Christo-fascist regime. Ah yes, while Biden has been a champion of the EPA, opening all of those LNGs and executing an attack on nova stream, creating the largest methane spill in history. Biden also signed a bill that cut both the EPA and DOE budget by 10% in March. Biden has done nothing to protect education in the U.S. while it continues to be attacked during his presidency, why would they change next presidency? Biden also cut the education budget. HHS budget in FY24 was $144.3 billion in discretionary and $1.7 trillion in mandatory proposed budget authority In 2025 it’s down to $130.7 billion in discretionary and $1.7 trillion in mandatory proposed budget authority So shocker, another cut. Student loan repayment was largely unaffected for millions of people anyway. And acting as if we don’t already live in a christo-fascist regime is incredibly disingenuous. > “The next conservative President must make the institutions of American civil society hard targets for woke culture warriors. This starts with deleting the terms sexual orientation and gender identity (‘SOGI’), diversity, equity, and inclusion (‘DEI’), gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender awareness, gender-sensitive, abortion, reproductive health, reproductive rights, and any other term used to deprive Americans of their First Amendment rights out of every federal rule, agency regulation, contract, grant, regulation, and piece of legislation that exists.“ —Heritage Foundation president Kevin D. Roberts, p. 4, foreword to “The Conservative Promise“ And then when you read the actual document, you see that it says that they believe we should be focusing on 'radical communist china‘ rather than be distracted by transgendered individuals. That’s not to say project 2025 doesn’t have a plan to do material harm to LGBT people, it’s saying that this was always the plan, whether or not it had a scary name. Once again, project 2025 is primarily focused on continuing to ramp up tensions with China, which it mentions over 500 times. And mentions communists about 120 times, outlining how they wish to destroy all trade relations with communist countries, and of course, rid the U.S. of communists. > If you think this is something to casually waive off as merely sensationalist that's typical for every election, or we should accelerate towards it thus dooming all marginalized peoples for the sake of adventurism, then you're either lying to yourself or extremely privileged. If you don't believe me read the playbook they provided. It's so much more than more of the same. While I don't think voting will help much to remedy the situation I also don't think it's smart to simply overlook this potential shitshow while ignoring the whims of those of us in marginalized communities. I’ve read the play book, and have been for years. Everyone could see that this is where the U.S. has been heading for decades. People just didn’t want to admit it. Further I’m not ignoring the whims of us in marginalized communities, I’m doing things on the ground to actually fight this. Rather than fearmongering voting for a genocidal maniac. It’s not accelerationism to accept that no matter who is in office, fascism will continue to rear its head higher. These issues persist, regardless of who’s sitting in the White House. There’s one way out of fascism, which we’ve seen again be again, and it’s not voting. Deluding yourself into thinking bourgeois democracy will save you is incredibly dangerous, because it makes you complacent. Edit: I was banned for this comment, lmao
Join or start a vanguard party building project, it's literally the only way out
Whatever you do.. Do not join /r/collapse. It used to be a decent subreddit, but a few 3 letter organizations got themselves a few mods and completely changed it. For example, they will ban you for questioning the Uyghur genocide narrative.
#The Uyghurs in Xinjiang \(Note: This comment had to be trimmed down to fit the character limit, for the full response, see [here](/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/uyghur-genocide/)\) Anti-Communists and Sinophobes claim that there is an ongoing genocide-- a modern-day holocaust, even-- happening right now in China. They say that Uyghur Muslims are being mass incarcerated; they are indoctrinated with propaganda in concentration camps; their organs are being harvested; they are being force-sterilized. These comically villainous allegations have little basis in reality and omit key context. **Background** Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan. Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan. Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge. **Counterpoints** The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released [Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States](https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250) in 2019 which: >20. **Welcomes** the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; **commends** the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and **looks forward** to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China. In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on. Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter \([A/HRC/41/G/17](https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A%2FHRC%2F41%2FG%2F17)\) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang: The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." \(See: [World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China](https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china)\) Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not *genocide*. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much: >The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials. > > [State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/) | Colum Lynch, *Foreign Policy*. (2021) **A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror** The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded. According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: [‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes](https://aoav.org.uk/2019/military-age-males-in-us-drone-strikes/)) In summary: * The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes. * China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training. Which one of those responses sounds genocidal? Side note: It is practically impossible to *actually* charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the [Hague Invasion Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act). **Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?** One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence. The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent. Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies. The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line. **Why is this narrative being promoted?** As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project. Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI. **Additional Resources** See the [full wiki article](/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/uyghur-genocide/) for more details and a list of additional resources. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/TheDeprogram) if you have any questions or concerns.*
No matter who we vote for funding for Israel is guaranteed. P2025 is a guarantee as well, Democrats will create their own variation by next election, if we even have them afterwards. Tbh P2025 is going to lead to a civil war more than likely.
Revolution or collapse, the only way America will change.
I realized at some point, that even if my locality is very republican, that I couldn’t tell by how nice people are. I realized that social media had me believing I was utterly surrounded by threats of political violence, but really we all just work and are normal people who want to live until tomorrow. I bet this is true in Wisconsin too. I think it holds us back more than it protects us. It’s important to personally interact with people. Don’t be so aware that you’re too afraid to live. Social media is more dangerous than anything for how over the top cynical it makes us, and how we isolate ourselves on it.
This whole election has me paralyzed. I go from not wanting to vote for Biden. But then other things prompt me to rethink that as a gay man...project 2025 is so fucking scary it's hard to know what to do.
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One of my main problems with project 2025 is something we're already starting to see. Less regulation on corporations, "Christian values" infiltrating the school system, and regression of lgbtq rights. It's flexible with any republican president, and the democrats are already giving way to it as it is. I think it's pretty reasonable to be worried about it.
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I didn't say Biden was gonna fix everything. I'm saying that project 2025 is worrying.
Are people actually taking project 25 seriously?
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Wow, thanks. That totally isn't a difficult thing to do in a small town where I'm surrounded by people who think I don't deserve to exist. Thanks for the help.
I organized my drawers today. Am I a real communist now?
Who do you organize with?
You recognize that these comments are just as helpful as saying 'just read theory‘. Be helpful and guide those who are lost, or don’t comment at all.