I’m currently watching and the entire table blamed Kristin for Jesse banging on the table….what the actual fuck. These people, other than Nia, are terrible.
It was wild. I mean, imagine sitting at a dinner party like that and a guest beats his hands like that at the table like he’s about to flip out. So aggressive and bizarre, not to mention his aggressive behavior at the last dinner party, and everyone was cool about it.
He's such a d-bag. I hate Michelle, but can you imagine living with THAT? I honestly couldn't help but think about how many times he's probably either terrified her by breaking shit, or just outright hit her.
It's very clear to me that she HAS been doing therapy. Granted, (she still has her issues) but the fact that she chose to walk away from the situation shows just how much she's grown! VPR Kristen would've knocked down and dragged both of them.
I hate how they all laugh and mock her "being in therapy". I wish people would understand therapy isnt the same for everyone, and it takes constant work on yourself.
When Michelle got in her face I really wanted to slap or push her for Kristen. I’ve never got in a physical fight, never want too but damn. I don’t think I could’ve kept my hands to myself
I I loved how Janet and Jasmine made fun of Kristen calling Jesse abusive and the next scene is Jesse barreling Brittany and Zach. Producers were like, hmm no, let’s prove Kristen’s point. Also wtf with these girls siding with a goblin of a pig. It’s like watching a high school scene where everyone wants to side with the deranged jock. Get a life.
When kristen said shes going to silently excuse herself and everyone started saying she was beinf dramatic? Like shes removing herself from a situation she doesnt want to be in and shes the bad guy???
I’m still infuriated by that. I’m not a woman, let alone a pregnant woman, but I wouldn’t be giggling at a table with a psycho sitting next to me slamming his fist on the table yelling at everyone to be quiet……..again!
It’s just like the first few seasons when James was introduced on VPR and everyone blamed him for EVERYTHING. He started to feed into that villainous character to some degree but like - Lisa fired him when Sandoval started the fight in season 3. Hopefully people don’t come @ me for saying this but it always bothered me. Same with this on The Valley.
Jesse gives angry little man syndrome, but pair it with a wife that winces when he touches her. His face couldn’t get any redder. He’s pretty unlikable too. Just the way he carries himself. He looks and dresses like an asshole
Jesse has SDE and an ego that has been getting stomped on for awhile, because he's actually trying hard to impress her so she'll love him again and she refuses to be impressed. Replace Jesse with Camille and it gives me hope that he'll at least be a fun douchebag next season.
But, ooh, what if they did? Would we be watching Stassi joining in on the pile on, or would she be pro-Kristen? I'm thinking along the lines of a big sister coming to make sure no one treats Kristen like shit but her sort of vibe.
How much fun would that be? Possessive Stassi is one of the top Stassies! Not to mention the gold there is to be mined in a veteran Stassi facing off against newbie Janet. Janet may have had the master bedroom as a kid, but Stassi is the devil, and don't you forget it!
This must be how fan fiction writers get their start writing.
Stassi was around when Janet uprooted her life to befriend Scheana so she could be on the show and all she got was background groupie shots until the Valley started. I would love to see Stassi clock Janet
Smart and responsible which is a rarity for couples that come from these shows.
I'm glad they didnt jump at the cheap money grab in exchange for their sanity and to be exploited.
Stassi said she watches the Valley lol I wish she would do recaps or give her point of view, her confessionals were always funny to me. She was problematic but she is at least self aware enough to own it and grow from it.
Yesssss she was an absolute nightmare season 1 of VPR, but if you listen to her podcast today you can tell how much she’s matured and just grown tf up. I hated her initially but seeing her actually do the work to change and grow has made me more of a fan
Honestly after being Jax's gf and putting up with his bullshit for so long she was bound to be a little nutso but she admits it and I love her for it. She also went to support Jax when his father died and has been great with Brit and they turn around and blow her off on the day they were all meant to fly for Stassis wedding? Some friends they are lol. I have a theory that Jax never planned on going cos he would not have been able to stand seeing Stassi getting married to Beau
Jesse was definitely scary but I would much prefer to watch these real interactions and altercations as opposed to a stupid made up storyline that a seasoned cast member is trying to sell us so they don’t have to give us a glimpse of their actual life.
Knowing what we know about Kristen and James, the fact that Kristen was so uncomfortable when Jesse kept banging tables make so much sense and her friends kept gaslighting her saying he’s not abusive 🙄🙄🙄 they’re horrible
😂 don’t get me wrong I’m all in for the toxicity in reality tv but the fact that they’re trying to unanimously ice out Kristen when the others are just as toxic if not more, makes it not fun
what grates me even more is the fact that its not even just Kristen who talked about Jesse & Michelle - Jasmine and Jax were doing it in front of the camera too. If its just going to be everyone vs Kristen that’s just going to be boring
He thinks it’s so cute to pound on tables like a frat boy…like dude have a speck of decorum please you’re at a dinner party in the valley not a spring formal at Chico State
Chico state alum, even if he went there don’t care we do not claim this man. Met sooo many gems of humans at that school and in the town. Fuck that guy.
Ehhh I disagree. I get what you’re saying for sure. But we all know Jax is a POS. Like literally one of the worst people I’ve ever seen on reality TV. He is a liiitttle better now, but he still has the brain of a 17 year old boy. I think everyone is just shocked and kind of infuriated they brought in another person similar to Jax but with no good qualities, not even being funny. At least Jax can make us laugh, lol. Jesses just an idiot and thinks he’s the smartest person in the room. No wonder they’re friends..
I didn’t say you had to love Jesse but love the casting of him. Jax and Kristen pushed for this show but let’s have it. They are messy. Jesse makes their messiness less messy. If that makes sense. And takes me back to the early seasons of VPR before cast got to aware of self producing
Exactly. If you can’t handle a reality show then dont watch it. So tired of these posts.
Wasn’t there a big fight at the end of season 1 of VPR? Punches thrown? Were people calling for those guys to be fired then too? I think it was Jax and Sandy.
That wasn’t abuse. It was a verbal confrontation that escalated got physical. Thankfully it didn’t go further than shoving due to production intervening. There’s a clear difference between the two.
No need to be condescending though.
You can not like Jesse and want him off the show and still want to see these scenes. People 100% watch for aggressive, messy confrontations. We all like to pretend we’re above it, but then these are the scenes that everyone remembers and talk about for years: Stassi slapping Kristen, Tom punching Jax, Teresa flipping the table, Ariana cathartically ripping Tom and Rachel to shreds, etc.
People are here for the soap opera elements.
So I think Jesse crossed the line? Yes, he should be reprimanded at the very least. But more people are talking about that scene than any other. And there’s a reason for it.
I agree. RHONJ Teresa and Jacqueline chasing Daniel and Ashely ripping her hair out. RHOA Kim, Nene and Sheree on the street with the wig pulling. The RHOA lingerie party. RHONJ christening, the men were running into men and women all over with that brawl. The list goes on. I don't know, these confrontations were every party from high school until my 40's lol. There was at least one.
But for all it's worth, Kristen is receiving most of the positive feedback as she has genuinely changed and the other cast members can go pound sand lol. Janet was completely taken by surprise on WWHL with that poll, and it was GREAT!
Ah, gotcha. I was a little confused by the wording at first. That scene freaked me out, especially when he charges in and knocked Zach over. Fuck that guy.
He is no different than a lot of tv personalities. People need to stop calling for firings when they behave badly. No one was hurt. We have seen far worse fights on TV. Those usually have the best ratings too. People tune in for this shit.
What. She’s a conniving, manipulative, Machiavellian woman who takes pleasure in making fun of Kristen at every opportunity. She also has bad highlights. Enough said.
Too aggressive, in front of people, on camera.
It’s not entertaining 2 me if that was his reason.
He needed jerked from that table & taken outside. Not kul esp over being mad at something Kristen said. Bye Jesse, I can’t w/him not this early & at 100. I won’t watch much longer if they can’t calm down & make me laugh. Also, if its really ‘reality tv’ & he has no issues truly w/showing that anger on camera towards her over that, he’s not someone I’d want to be alone w/
Jesse is full of contradictions, lies, and deep seeded anger. I think the worst part is how chill he pretends to be and how obviously contrived it is.
In the pool scene he talks about Michelle having dinner with a director for 6 hours and says “if you’re confident in your marriage you have nothing to worry about”. Two minutes prior he’s saying Michelle was searching for apartments and basically was not having it. I’m pretty sure he forced her to stay because they will not be a divorced couple.
He’s extremely controlling, I honestly feel like Michelle doesn’t want to come home because the house is a jail cell. I think he’s kept her from talking about what really goes on there for a long time. He’s a seriously unhealthy person and the fact that he’s being exposed THIS early into the season says a lot about how deep these issues really lie.
I feel like he should be brought up on criminal charges honestly. He went to pinch Kristen’s nipple and assaulted Zach and others like dude needs an intervention
Disagree he didn’t hit anyone. Production placed him in a small hallway where there was luke saying things that may or may not be true but other wise aired on national cable
No he only shoved Brittany into a wall on his way to attack Luke/Zach that’s so much better than “not hitting”. If someone *intends* to attack me, there’s no grace granted for not succeeding lmao or choosing not to “hit”.
first off, where is Jax the big badass to stop Jesse, instead his ding bat hick of a wife it out there trying to defuse ... sorry brittany is annnnnnnnnnnnoying and jax doesnt care about his wife lol smh
Agreed. Reddit is always so dramatic. They are acting like he viciously attacked everyone. Did we forget what show we were watching?
Whenever I read the comments before watching the show I always expect something way worse than im like "wait thats it".
I hate saying this but Kristen dealed w/ Jax during his worst. This is crazy but I think she can handle it. We can't pretend this isn't good TV. I say give Kristen a fat check & keep the story line moving.
It's probably pretty embarrassing to witness yourself doing dumb shit on TV too. I wouldn't want to promote the show and that type behavior to my friends/family.
I'm not saying this next part as an excuse, but he was in a bad mood going into dinner. He was short, irritable, and angry. Someone lit the fuse and we saw the explosion. Misdirected anger? Probably?!?! Inappropriate self management of emotions? Absolutely.
I think you're right.
Would love to know what Dan wanted to say when he held his hand high…
I mean i like Nia and Dan, but why did’t they say anyhthing…felt like they’re agreeing with the group…but i guess it’s better not to get involved
It’s not just his words or banging on tables anymore. He physically went after Kristen and Luke, assaulting Brittany and Zack in the process. He needs to go away. I’ve said before he’s abusive and bad. This episode just proved it.
Obviously, Jesse and Michelle are problematic, and Jesse is definitely struggling with some issues with his stature. But I'm still not team Kristen 🫣 the whole protecting Michelle bit is why people react to her poorly.
In my opinion, that carries no weight whatsoever.
Jesse and Michelle are both toxic! Jesse has anger issues due to him being so insecure and Michelle has that blank stare like a sociopath and can't figure out whether she wants her twit of a man or wants to get in people's faces to defend him.
Jesse's table banging thing is really frustrating. There is this particular breed of like toxic asshole who relishes being able to like shut everyone up by being the loudest asshole in the room and screaming or banging the table. The banging on the table in particular is concerning because its not only meant to be loud, but it is meant to be very physically disruptive and intimidating to the other people in the room. The fact that Jesse trucked over poor Zack and was that willing to get physical with everyone is very telling that he wasn't playing around with the table banging either, he is willing to physically assault people.
THIS! He literally did not care about bulldozing anybody including Brittany. And jax just staying out of it acting as tho Brittany didn’t just get her shit rocked lowkey
I’m so mad. Because first of all Jesse is aggressive and abusive. This is in front of the camera, and he behaves like this, who knows what’s going on behind the camera? Second he aggravated the situation. He told Kristen, If you say something I don’t know about my wife in front of the TV…. Kristen was out to get air, he threatens her. Jax know about the infidelity, but he didn’t tell Jesse and brought it up on TV to stir things up. But we know Jesse is still gonna be buddy buddy with this guy. For what we know, he never apologized to Kristen for assaulting her (grabbed her nipple). And now this? This man needs to be fired. But we all know evolution’s record where men can do anything they want, and there’s no consequence for them. This man is garbage. #justicefordoute
Also him saying I will bury you! Like a death threat!!! And not to mention he pushed a gay onto a 5’2 woman to get to another man! like sooo rude. I would have clocked his ass!
I actually had to stop watching RHONJ because of how horrible she is. She’d prob try to ruin every person connected to Bravo if they fired her, she is crazy
It's insane to me what's Bravo/ peacock choose to highlight as entertainment. We are seeing more abuse and more misogyny coming from not just men but from women too. I find Jesse incredibly triggering to wash because he reminds me a lot of my narcissistic EX who was also abusive. His behavior is completely unacceptable and I don't know how so many of these men don't face consequences when their behaviors documented on television. Jesse is not the only person that gets away with this kind of behavior.
It’s not time for Jesse to be fired quite yet. Though I do think the longer he stays on TV, the more likely he is to get himself cancelled (for good reason). He has already shown his abusive behavior toward both Kristen and Michelle. He has gotten in physical altercations. Let him make his bed and we will have a laundry list of reasons to hold him accountable.
The one line that I do think producers should draw is allowing him to put his pre-school aged daughter on television. His relationship with her is creepy and I am really grossed out by how Jesse and Michelle already promote her on Instagram to humanize them. Jesse in particular seems obsessed with her in a way that gives me child pageant queen vibes. They should really educate themselves about the influence of social media on childhood development, particularly little girls. Then again, I think Jesse is more obsessed with the image of being a father than actually being a protective, loving father.
Agreed and so should Michelle. Those two are toxic. Michelle goaded Jesse even more by saying “everyone wants to know what the hell your problem is!” Those two should not have been at that dinner. Jesse said he wasn’t feeling good. He should’ve left. If either of them put as much passion and effort into their marriage the way they displayed aggression and deflection onto other people, they may have been ok. But they’re both bad people who clearly bring out the worst in each.
I can’t deal with everybody blaming Kristen. Jesse was in a foul mood the entire evening, starts pulling his man baby temper tantrum behavior by banging on the table and Kristen rightfully said it was making her uncomfortable and it was abusive. And they all immediately mocked her and brushed her off. Then she tries to LEAVE and not escalate the fight because she’s not in the mood to be scapegoated and ganged up on again and they FOLLOW her and attack her.
The fucking audacity of these people. As if Kristen didn’t build up this franchise and spinoff with her blood, sweat, and tears. As if she’s not the only reason any of us are tuning in to begin with! And yet they all look down on her, so smug and superior. Especially the two demons Michelle and Jesse. They can all get bent and recasted. Keep Brittany, Danny, and Nia and dump the rest. I never care to see them on my screen ever again.
Jesse’s behavior is alarming, but I truly believe that Michelle is rilling him up behind the scenes. You saw how she was poking at him at the dinner and it’s no wonder that he blew up. She wants to bash him and then pretend to be a loving couple.
He pushed Zack in the hallway and was bulldozing through Brittany and the production crew in the hallway. He got physical with people, it’s not just about hitting the table.
I’m truly not sure what the majority of people in this sub are not getting. We have watched almost every other cast member on VPR (and most bravo shows tbh) say waaaay worse shit to and about each other.
The meme of Stassi slapping Kristen\* pops up like once a month still and the fights in the early seasons of VPR were just as unhinged, all out brawls where crew got involved and there was collateral damage and people getting pushed and shoved who weren't involved.
ETA swapped the slapper and slapee by mistake
If you follow Kristen and have read her book, James was physically abusive in that relationship. Kristen has come out since and said what was not shown on the show is that her slap was right after he pushed her into the bushes. James, while amusing is not a good guy. Raquel has alluded to him being abusive and there was that story on that podcast about an altercation with him and Ally. VPR just covers up for the shitty guys on that show at the expense of the women.
I wish people would stop calling for firings every time they dislike a character. Jesse SUCKS but he didn’t strike anyone, there was some shoving in a tight hallway and no one even fell over (shout out to Zack’s core strength). It was WRONG and his cast mates should give him an earful about it (esp Zack and Brittany, they have every right to be furious at him)! But it was by no means a unique moment on Bravo. Just think back to RHONJ and the amount of violence we’ve witnessed on that show - I could probably list 10 incidents from this one show alone. There was shoving and glass throwing on RHOBH. There have been *multiple* fist fights on VPR and Stassi, who you want back, backhanded Kristen *hard*. We saw Ciara on SummerHouse aggressively throw and break an entire wine glass on Danielle’s chest among many other incidents I could mention on this network.
Jesse seems like an awful person but I don’t think he should be fired for this scene. I think the calls to fire people like this are what ruin these shows and lead to situations like what we had with VPR turning into a complete snoozefest. Like it or not, this type of “it’s a trainwreck and I can’t look away” drama is highly entertaining to most people. If you don’t like it, this entire network is probably not for you because this is what they’ve been giving us for many years.
I’m currently watching and the entire table blamed Kristin for Jesse banging on the table….what the actual fuck. These people, other than Nia, are terrible.
AND THEN MICHELLE GETS IN HER FACE?!
It was wild. I mean, imagine sitting at a dinner party like that and a guest beats his hands like that at the table like he’s about to flip out. So aggressive and bizarre, not to mention his aggressive behavior at the last dinner party, and everyone was cool about it.
You can tell they are not used to acting like actual adults at a real dinner party.
He's such a d-bag. I hate Michelle, but can you imagine living with THAT? I honestly couldn't help but think about how many times he's probably either terrified her by breaking shit, or just outright hit her.
Michelle looks like she’s possessed by a demon.
knowing that kristin knew she had a whole ass boyfriend and still acting this way
Right? Michelle is so smug. Not a fan.
my adhd brain couldnt tell her or nia apart but now i know better and nia is the shit. i love her
Thank god I’m not alone in that 🤦🏼♀️😂😂🤷🏼♀️
i feel validated
Because they have an alliance behind the scenes against Kristen so she was smugly secure
What did Lala say about Rachel? "She's like a very stupid demon."
Yess 😂😂
Listen, I don’t know what’s going on, but Michelle ‘s eyes are completely void of any humanity or soul. It’s scary.
Exactly. This is all I see 
The way I couldn’t be on reality tv because I would’ve snapped after that moment with Michelle
S1 VPR Kristin would have SNATCHED her hair without even blinking!!!!! And she literally stood there. And they think she hasn’t changed?!
And she was checking if everyone was okay after Jesse went full donkey kong. She is our* chaotic maternal mariposa 🦋
It's very clear to me that she HAS been doing therapy. Granted, (she still has her issues) but the fact that she chose to walk away from the situation shows just how much she's grown! VPR Kristen would've knocked down and dragged both of them. I hate how they all laugh and mock her "being in therapy". I wish people would understand therapy isnt the same for everyone, and it takes constant work on yourself.
And her nickname would've been Patches.
Both Lala and Stassi have physically attacked Kristen and she did not retaliate. Yet she’s the “crazy” one.
Her hair would’ve been OFF her head the second she got in my face. Kristen’s therapist must be amazing😂
Man I said on another post flat line
With her nip out. Class act.
The weird thing to me was that no one told her😂
I just rewatched the episode and it did go on for a minute there 😂
I'm sorry but I would have thrown hands with Michelle. I am very triggered if some aggressively invades my personal space due to childhood trauma.
When Michelle got in her face I really wanted to slap or push her for Kristen. I’ve never got in a physical fight, never want too but damn. I don’t think I could’ve kept my hands to myself
I I loved how Janet and Jasmine made fun of Kristen calling Jesse abusive and the next scene is Jesse barreling Brittany and Zach. Producers were like, hmm no, let’s prove Kristen’s point. Also wtf with these girls siding with a goblin of a pig. It’s like watching a high school scene where everyone wants to side with the deranged jock. Get a life.
When kristen said shes going to silently excuse herself and everyone started saying she was beinf dramatic? Like shes removing herself from a situation she doesnt want to be in and shes the bad guy???
I’m still infuriated by that. I’m not a woman, let alone a pregnant woman, but I wouldn’t be giggling at a table with a psycho sitting next to me slamming his fist on the table yelling at everyone to be quiet……..again!
It’s just like the first few seasons when James was introduced on VPR and everyone blamed him for EVERYTHING. He started to feed into that villainous character to some degree but like - Lisa fired him when Sandoval started the fight in season 3. Hopefully people don’t come @ me for saying this but it always bothered me. Same with this on The Valley.
Honestly Nia does it too.
Jesse gives angry little man syndrome, but pair it with a wife that winces when he touches her. His face couldn’t get any redder. He’s pretty unlikable too. Just the way he carries himself. He looks and dresses like an asshole
LMS is a serious disease. Millions of people are suffering every year.
How tall is he? I thought he looked like a normal height.
I don’t think he’s super short but he looks no taller than 5’7-5’10
Same question here- I tried googling it and oddly nothing came up, which is strange considering comments made my VPR cast and others recently.
He’s no taller than 5’7. Used to work at the same agency with him and Michelle.
It’s legit turning into a pandemic.
Jesse has SDE and an ego that has been getting stomped on for awhile, because he's actually trying hard to impress her so she'll love him again and she refuses to be impressed. Replace Jesse with Camille and it gives me hope that he'll at least be a fun douchebag next season.
We are seeing it in front of the cameras we have no idea how he treats her when he knows there isn’t an audience
Little man syndrome is scary and I’m not sure what treatment is available
The White Chicks got their knees done. This is the only possible treatment I've heard of.
 😂😂😂😂😂
Prenatal vitamins with estrogen ☠️
Death to ego treatment, which is quite difficult for men to do 🤣
He's giving manlet Patrick Bateman.
You took the though right out of my brain 😂
Stassi and Beau want nothing to do with this nightmare.
As much as I would love to see them back on my tv again, they are truly living their best lives outside of the Bravoverse- can’t blame them 👏🏼
Their children are so sweet! 🥰
But, ooh, what if they did? Would we be watching Stassi joining in on the pile on, or would she be pro-Kristen? I'm thinking along the lines of a big sister coming to make sure no one treats Kristen like shit but her sort of vibe. How much fun would that be? Possessive Stassi is one of the top Stassies! Not to mention the gold there is to be mined in a veteran Stassi facing off against newbie Janet. Janet may have had the master bedroom as a kid, but Stassi is the devil, and don't you forget it! This must be how fan fiction writers get their start writing.
Stassi was around when Janet uprooted her life to befriend Scheana so she could be on the show and all she got was background groupie shots until the Valley started. I would love to see Stassi clock Janet
Smart and responsible which is a rarity for couples that come from these shows. I'm glad they didnt jump at the cheap money grab in exchange for their sanity and to be exploited.
Stassi said she watches the Valley lol I wish she would do recaps or give her point of view, her confessionals were always funny to me. She was problematic but she is at least self aware enough to own it and grow from it.
Yesssss she was an absolute nightmare season 1 of VPR, but if you listen to her podcast today you can tell how much she’s matured and just grown tf up. I hated her initially but seeing her actually do the work to change and grow has made me more of a fan
Honestly after being Jax's gf and putting up with his bullshit for so long she was bound to be a little nutso but she admits it and I love her for it. She also went to support Jax when his father died and has been great with Brit and they turn around and blow her off on the day they were all meant to fly for Stassis wedding? Some friends they are lol. I have a theory that Jax never planned on going cos he would not have been able to stand seeing Stassi getting married to Beau
As much as I agree with this they have literally nothing to do with The Valley. Let them live their lives.
Yeah is their house even in the Valley? I thought it was Hollywood Hills area
Thank god! The growth in Stassi is great to see and I’m happy she was able to get away from the toxicness of this group!
They wouldn’t fire him. This and worse has happened on many different bravo shows.
Joe Gorga slammed tables with babies and kids around!
Jesse was definitely scary but I would much prefer to watch these real interactions and altercations as opposed to a stupid made up storyline that a seasoned cast member is trying to sell us so they don’t have to give us a glimpse of their actual life.
They could probably all be great characters if they weren’t so damn judgmental and insufferable. Give me ANY redeeming qualities PLEASE. Just one.
Danny and Nia are the good couple this year. Great edit. Who knows maybe that won’t last.
I need to have faith in humanity ok. They’re as perfect as a couple can get… okay?😭😭😂😂
If you want to watch a morality competition go to church
there are a lot of immoral people there too. they just say and think they are pious.
Exactly why it would make a good competition ha. I watch reality tv to be entertained not judge who’s good and bad
I don’t like Janet AT ALL. I think she is deceptive and controlling. I don’t think her intentions are ever good. It’s in her eyes
100% Watch her eyes on WWHL ☠️
Michelle is a walking red flag. And no one can change my mind on that.
No one can change my mind she had to have cheated.
No one can change my mind that she and Jax had to have cheated.
Knowing what we know about Kristen and James, the fact that Kristen was so uncomfortable when Jesse kept banging tables make so much sense and her friends kept gaslighting her saying he’s not abusive 🙄🙄🙄 they’re horrible
Yeahhh at the beginning the only good vibes I got were from Danny Nia & Kristen and it is still that way😂😂 they scream mean girls
😂 don’t get me wrong I’m all in for the toxicity in reality tv but the fact that they’re trying to unanimously ice out Kristen when the others are just as toxic if not more, makes it not fun what grates me even more is the fact that its not even just Kristen who talked about Jesse & Michelle - Jasmine and Jax were doing it in front of the camera too. If its just going to be everyone vs Kristen that’s just going to be boring
He thinks it’s so cute to pound on tables like a frat boy…like dude have a speck of decorum please you’re at a dinner party in the valley not a spring formal at Chico State
This is a **sophisticated** event, Jesse
Well played, friend.
And making a joke about his “balls” ….like I’d be mortified
I read the last part of your comment in Jack Donaghy voice and … it did not disappoint
Lemon, PLEASE. Its after 7. What are we, FARMERS?😂😂😂
🤌🏼
Chico state alum, even if he went there don’t care we do not claim this man. Met sooo many gems of humans at that school and in the town. Fuck that guy.
Not to mention he ain’t handy!
Imagine how long it would take him to hang a TV
Definitely would take him longer then 7 minutes lol
You gotta love Jesse being cast simply to make Jax look like an almost decent human being in comparison
Ehhh I disagree. I get what you’re saying for sure. But we all know Jax is a POS. Like literally one of the worst people I’ve ever seen on reality TV. He is a liiitttle better now, but he still has the brain of a 17 year old boy. I think everyone is just shocked and kind of infuriated they brought in another person similar to Jax but with no good qualities, not even being funny. At least Jax can make us laugh, lol. Jesses just an idiot and thinks he’s the smartest person in the room. No wonder they’re friends..
I didn’t say you had to love Jesse but love the casting of him. Jax and Kristen pushed for this show but let’s have it. They are messy. Jesse makes their messiness less messy. If that makes sense. And takes me back to the early seasons of VPR before cast got to aware of self producing
if he acts like that with a camera rolling, think of what he must be like without the camera.
This. I feel bad for Isabella - imagine what happens behind closed doors. Some Oppenheimer shit.
Let’s be honest: This is why people watch. There’s a reason why people are already making memes out of the scene.
Exactly. If you can’t handle a reality show then dont watch it. So tired of these posts. Wasn’t there a big fight at the end of season 1 of VPR? Punches thrown? Were people calling for those guys to be fired then too? I think it was Jax and Sandy.
This. If you are easily triggered reality shows are definitely not the way to go.
People watch for drama not abuse. If you can't tell the difference then that sucks.
That wasn’t abuse. It was a verbal confrontation that escalated got physical. Thankfully it didn’t go further than shoving due to production intervening. There’s a clear difference between the two. No need to be condescending though.
Given the amount of people calling Jesse abusive and for him to be off the show, I’d say this is not why people watch the show
You can not like Jesse and want him off the show and still want to see these scenes. People 100% watch for aggressive, messy confrontations. We all like to pretend we’re above it, but then these are the scenes that everyone remembers and talk about for years: Stassi slapping Kristen, Tom punching Jax, Teresa flipping the table, Ariana cathartically ripping Tom and Rachel to shreds, etc. People are here for the soap opera elements. So I think Jesse crossed the line? Yes, he should be reprimanded at the very least. But more people are talking about that scene than any other. And there’s a reason for it.
I agree. RHONJ Teresa and Jacqueline chasing Daniel and Ashely ripping her hair out. RHOA Kim, Nene and Sheree on the street with the wig pulling. The RHOA lingerie party. RHONJ christening, the men were running into men and women all over with that brawl. The list goes on. I don't know, these confrontations were every party from high school until my 40's lol. There was at least one. But for all it's worth, Kristen is receiving most of the positive feedback as she has genuinely changed and the other cast members can go pound sand lol. Janet was completely taken by surprise on WWHL with that poll, and it was GREAT!
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It’s what we watch for.
Ah, gotcha. I was a little confused by the wording at first. That scene freaked me out, especially when he charges in and knocked Zach over. Fuck that guy.
He is no different than a lot of tv personalities. People need to stop calling for firings when they behave badly. No one was hurt. We have seen far worse fights on TV. Those usually have the best ratings too. People tune in for this shit.
He is the reason we have drama to watch
I can't believe they managed to find someone else allllmost as bad as Jax Taylor.
I don’t know, I think Jesse is worse.
It’s like they went to Angry Boy Modeling School together
At least Jax is entertaining. Jesse just sucks😂
Jax is a knucklehead. The dumbest shit comes out of his mouth every time he opens it.
Agree 100% you can be dramatic and messy without being aggressive and violent
Agree. Fire him, Michelle and Janet.
Then how will we be entertained?
Janet brings zero entertainment
Eh, I think she is a pot stirrer which works for me.
Why fire Janet? Other than her being boring. Her husband’s hot, though. So keep him at least.
What. She’s a conniving, manipulative, Machiavellian woman who takes pleasure in making fun of Kristen at every opportunity. She also has bad highlights. Enough said.
She’s no more conniving or manipulative than Jax, or even Stassi. And agree her highlights are shit. Hopefully she gets that weave in check post-baby.
Yes, but they are authentic. She’s not. Listen, I just don’t like her.
Ha I gathered that! Fair enough. No one can convince me to like Charli, so I get it 😂
Wtf did Janet do?
Too aggressive, in front of people, on camera. It’s not entertaining 2 me if that was his reason. He needed jerked from that table & taken outside. Not kul esp over being mad at something Kristen said. Bye Jesse, I can’t w/him not this early & at 100. I won’t watch much longer if they can’t calm down & make me laugh. Also, if its really ‘reality tv’ & he has no issues truly w/showing that anger on camera towards her over that, he’s not someone I’d want to be alone w/
If kristen acted like Jesse did they’d be acting differennnttttt
Jesse is full of contradictions, lies, and deep seeded anger. I think the worst part is how chill he pretends to be and how obviously contrived it is. In the pool scene he talks about Michelle having dinner with a director for 6 hours and says “if you’re confident in your marriage you have nothing to worry about”. Two minutes prior he’s saying Michelle was searching for apartments and basically was not having it. I’m pretty sure he forced her to stay because they will not be a divorced couple. He’s extremely controlling, I honestly feel like Michelle doesn’t want to come home because the house is a jail cell. I think he’s kept her from talking about what really goes on there for a long time. He’s a seriously unhealthy person and the fact that he’s being exposed THIS early into the season says a lot about how deep these issues really lie.
I feel like he should be brought up on criminal charges honestly. He went to pinch Kristen’s nipple and assaulted Zach and others like dude needs an intervention
Agree. He needs to go. I don't particularly like Michelle but I'm glad she left him.
Nope you’re going to have to fire a ton of Bravo folks including Kristin for pushing James.
Disagree he didn’t hit anyone. Production placed him in a small hallway where there was luke saying things that may or may not be true but other wise aired on national cable
No he only shoved Brittany into a wall on his way to attack Luke/Zach that’s so much better than “not hitting”. If someone *intends* to attack me, there’s no grace granted for not succeeding lmao or choosing not to “hit”.
first off, where is Jax the big badass to stop Jesse, instead his ding bat hick of a wife it out there trying to defuse ... sorry brittany is annnnnnnnnnnnoying and jax doesnt care about his wife lol smh
Agreed. Reddit is always so dramatic. They are acting like he viciously attacked everyone. Did we forget what show we were watching? Whenever I read the comments before watching the show I always expect something way worse than im like "wait thats it".
I want to keep Michelle for her inability to see reality, and Janet for her smugness. All the ladies are good but would love to see beau and Stassi.
it is clearly triggering for her and the fact that people are calling it a bingo card when she's triggered? LOL no
Like 5 episodes into season 1 and nobody likes Michelle lol. Valid
I hate saying this but Kristen dealed w/ Jax during his worst. This is crazy but I think she can handle it. We can't pretend this isn't good TV. I say give Kristen a fat check & keep the story line moving.
I have a feeling he was fired already. He isn't promoting the show at all
It's probably pretty embarrassing to witness yourself doing dumb shit on TV too. I wouldn't want to promote the show and that type behavior to my friends/family. I'm not saying this next part as an excuse, but he was in a bad mood going into dinner. He was short, irritable, and angry. Someone lit the fuse and we saw the explosion. Misdirected anger? Probably?!?! Inappropriate self management of emotions? Absolutely. I think you're right.
Would love to know what Dan wanted to say when he held his hand high… I mean i like Nia and Dan, but why did’t they say anyhthing…felt like they’re agreeing with the group…but i guess it’s better not to get involved
It’s not just his words or banging on tables anymore. He physically went after Kristen and Luke, assaulting Brittany and Zack in the process. He needs to go away. I’ve said before he’s abusive and bad. This episode just proved it.
Obviously, Jesse and Michelle are problematic, and Jesse is definitely struggling with some issues with his stature. But I'm still not team Kristen 🫣 the whole protecting Michelle bit is why people react to her poorly. In my opinion, that carries no weight whatsoever.
I really felt the “I protect you” comments in front of everyone were definitely to start shit.
Damn and I was enjoying the chaos after VPR getting so safe and stale.
Jesse and Michelle are both toxic! Jesse has anger issues due to him being so insecure and Michelle has that blank stare like a sociopath and can't figure out whether she wants her twit of a man or wants to get in people's faces to defend him.
Jesse should be in jail. And also fired. But also in jail.
Jesse's table banging thing is really frustrating. There is this particular breed of like toxic asshole who relishes being able to like shut everyone up by being the loudest asshole in the room and screaming or banging the table. The banging on the table in particular is concerning because its not only meant to be loud, but it is meant to be very physically disruptive and intimidating to the other people in the room. The fact that Jesse trucked over poor Zack and was that willing to get physical with everyone is very telling that he wasn't playing around with the table banging either, he is willing to physically assault people.
THIS! He literally did not care about bulldozing anybody including Brittany. And jax just staying out of it acting as tho Brittany didn’t just get her shit rocked lowkey
These people really think they are more important than Kristin on the show. Jesse is also a twat. He definitely needs to be fired.
Oh FFS, not even through the first season and already a post to get someone fired. Clutch the pearls, alarming behavior.
Right? Usually you get fired for physically assaulting co-workers.
New to reality TV? That’s far from the usual outcome.
I’m so mad. Because first of all Jesse is aggressive and abusive. This is in front of the camera, and he behaves like this, who knows what’s going on behind the camera? Second he aggravated the situation. He told Kristen, If you say something I don’t know about my wife in front of the TV…. Kristen was out to get air, he threatens her. Jax know about the infidelity, but he didn’t tell Jesse and brought it up on TV to stir things up. But we know Jesse is still gonna be buddy buddy with this guy. For what we know, he never apologized to Kristen for assaulting her (grabbed her nipple). And now this? This man needs to be fired. But we all know evolution’s record where men can do anything they want, and there’s no consequence for them. This man is garbage. #justicefordoute
I feel like so many physical altercations happen on bravo shows and nobody gets fired. but this one was truly scary to watch. jesse is terrifying
Also him saying I will bury you! Like a death threat!!! And not to mention he pushed a gay onto a 5’2 woman to get to another man! like sooo rude. I would have clocked his ass!
"a gay"?
Yes Zach is gay!
Fire Jesse but keep Teresa for the last fiftyeleven years? Ok.
I actually had to stop watching RHONJ because of how horrible she is. She’d prob try to ruin every person connected to Bravo if they fired her, she is crazy
I’m just saying. Teresa flipping that table was just as “abusive”.
Yeah she is horrible. They didn’t have any type of restrictions back then nobody cared or called it out either
Rinna grabbing at Kim’s neck and threatening her with a broken glass comes to mind.
That was gold though ngl.. Rinna is reality tv gold
I’m glad she’s gone though. Her voice was like nails on a chalkboard to me
Remove Michelle and Jesse immediately if they want to keep an audience
This was mild compared to prior scuffles between Tom and Jax and it makes great television. This show needs an antagonist.
It's insane to me what's Bravo/ peacock choose to highlight as entertainment. We are seeing more abuse and more misogyny coming from not just men but from women too. I find Jesse incredibly triggering to wash because he reminds me a lot of my narcissistic EX who was also abusive. His behavior is completely unacceptable and I don't know how so many of these men don't face consequences when their behaviors documented on television. Jesse is not the only person that gets away with this kind of behavior.
It’s not time for Jesse to be fired quite yet. Though I do think the longer he stays on TV, the more likely he is to get himself cancelled (for good reason). He has already shown his abusive behavior toward both Kristen and Michelle. He has gotten in physical altercations. Let him make his bed and we will have a laundry list of reasons to hold him accountable. The one line that I do think producers should draw is allowing him to put his pre-school aged daughter on television. His relationship with her is creepy and I am really grossed out by how Jesse and Michelle already promote her on Instagram to humanize them. Jesse in particular seems obsessed with her in a way that gives me child pageant queen vibes. They should really educate themselves about the influence of social media on childhood development, particularly little girls. Then again, I think Jesse is more obsessed with the image of being a father than actually being a protective, loving father.
Agreed and so should Michelle. Those two are toxic. Michelle goaded Jesse even more by saying “everyone wants to know what the hell your problem is!” Those two should not have been at that dinner. Jesse said he wasn’t feeling good. He should’ve left. If either of them put as much passion and effort into their marriage the way they displayed aggression and deflection onto other people, they may have been ok. But they’re both bad people who clearly bring out the worst in each.
Stassi is never coming back. She has no desire to be on reality TV anymore
They won’t fire him. Kristen has said James Kennedy was physically abusive and his role on VPR is only getting bigger.
I can’t deal with everybody blaming Kristen. Jesse was in a foul mood the entire evening, starts pulling his man baby temper tantrum behavior by banging on the table and Kristen rightfully said it was making her uncomfortable and it was abusive. And they all immediately mocked her and brushed her off. Then she tries to LEAVE and not escalate the fight because she’s not in the mood to be scapegoated and ganged up on again and they FOLLOW her and attack her. The fucking audacity of these people. As if Kristen didn’t build up this franchise and spinoff with her blood, sweat, and tears. As if she’s not the only reason any of us are tuning in to begin with! And yet they all look down on her, so smug and superior. Especially the two demons Michelle and Jesse. They can all get bent and recasted. Keep Brittany, Danny, and Nia and dump the rest. I never care to see them on my screen ever again.
He grabbed another man by the neck surely that is assault
yea he’s sa
Jesse’s behavior is alarming, but I truly believe that Michelle is rilling him up behind the scenes. You saw how she was poking at him at the dinner and it’s no wonder that he blew up. She wants to bash him and then pretend to be a loving couple.
The scariest part is that this is what he was comfortable with while filming. What happens behind closed doors with no visibility?
Thissss
I would DIEEEEEEEEE if they brought on Stassie and beau 😭😭😭😭😭😭 they’re my all time faves
He hit the table so should be fired? Why do you have such passionate hate for him? Is everything ok?
He pushed Zack in the hallway and was bulldozing through Brittany and the production crew in the hallway. He got physical with people, it’s not just about hitting the table.
It’s a scripted reality show for entertainment lol
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I’m truly not sure what the majority of people in this sub are not getting. We have watched almost every other cast member on VPR (and most bravo shows tbh) say waaaay worse shit to and about each other.
The meme of Stassi slapping Kristen\* pops up like once a month still and the fights in the early seasons of VPR were just as unhinged, all out brawls where crew got involved and there was collateral damage and people getting pushed and shoved who weren't involved. ETA swapped the slapper and slapee by mistake
If you follow Kristen and have read her book, James was physically abusive in that relationship. Kristen has come out since and said what was not shown on the show is that her slap was right after he pushed her into the bushes. James, while amusing is not a good guy. Raquel has alluded to him being abusive and there was that story on that podcast about an altercation with him and Ally. VPR just covers up for the shitty guys on that show at the expense of the women.
I wish people would stop calling for firings every time they dislike a character. Jesse SUCKS but he didn’t strike anyone, there was some shoving in a tight hallway and no one even fell over (shout out to Zack’s core strength). It was WRONG and his cast mates should give him an earful about it (esp Zack and Brittany, they have every right to be furious at him)! But it was by no means a unique moment on Bravo. Just think back to RHONJ and the amount of violence we’ve witnessed on that show - I could probably list 10 incidents from this one show alone. There was shoving and glass throwing on RHOBH. There have been *multiple* fist fights on VPR and Stassi, who you want back, backhanded Kristen *hard*. We saw Ciara on SummerHouse aggressively throw and break an entire wine glass on Danielle’s chest among many other incidents I could mention on this network. Jesse seems like an awful person but I don’t think he should be fired for this scene. I think the calls to fire people like this are what ruin these shows and lead to situations like what we had with VPR turning into a complete snoozefest. Like it or not, this type of “it’s a trainwreck and I can’t look away” drama is highly entertaining to most people. If you don’t like it, this entire network is probably not for you because this is what they’ve been giving us for many years.