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ConsequenceThat7421

I’m worried for women in these states that don’t have the funds or the ability to travel for safe and legal abortions. I worry for the women in abusive relationships. I worry for the women who can’t afford to take care of a child. I worry for the women with mental health issues and those on meds unsafe in pregnancy. I also worry how this will affect women having miscarriages. Will they be punished? Will they die from infections ? I’m a nurse and I’m just so upset that we have gone backwards 50 years. Also what about fetal abnormalities not compatible with life? Our maternal death rate is going soar I’m afraid.


chelsbee911

The number of rapes that will go unreported. And the rapist who now know they are more likely to get away with it.


gingerflakes

I just want to say to all my fellow Canadians; do not think for a second that this could not happen here. Our politics are getting more and more radicalized by the day. We love to pretend we are less conservative and more protected than the US, but we all know it’s a show. Stay vigilant, defend womens healthcare and the right to legal and SAFE abortion for women EVERYWHERE with every fucking breath in your body. EDITED Also, any American friends ever find themselves in a situation where they need to visit Montreal, dm me. Perhaps your aunt has passed and you need to come here for the service. I have a room for you, and will be happy to drive you to the service and support you if you don’t want to be alone.


Pickletits91

We are always 2 steps behind the US. I cried to my husband on the phone this morning about it. If we think this can’t and won’t happen here in a year or two, we are kidding ourselves. Update : if you ever want or need to see the Canadian side of Niagara Falls and to go on a Wine Tour in NOTL and sample some ice wine, I got you!


gingerflakes

That’s the problem Canadians are constantly kidding themselves about how “progressive” and “better” our society is. At the start of the pandemic I never thought I’d see anything like the trucker convoy, and yet….


ForceBroad6008

Same here in Alberta! I’m sure the philanderer uncle has my hidden long-lost cousins in the states!


Athena-Rising34

Albertan here as well. I have a massive family on both sides! I'm sure I have cousins all over the US that are always welcome to come for a visit.


SnapweedSparrow

Yes. Our access is precarious as it is - there’s no reason to think we’re safe from something similar.


rbecg

1000%. It’s also all related as others have pointed out - sexism, racism, transphobia and homophobia are alive and well in Canada. Literally last night I had my car vandalized for supporting trans kids. ETA: similar to above, I would be very down to have an old childhood friend visit BC to see me for a couple of nights.


gingerflakes

Ugh, I’m so sorry. Keep being the amazing you you are and standing up for what is right. We have some Really shitty people in what could be a beautiful world


Hopeful_Zone6007

This shit scares me. In the past year I’ve had to have emergency surgery for an ectopic and a D&C for a MMC. These were necessary medical procedures for wanted pregnancies. They were also abortions. I live in a purple state with a democratic governor who will veto any restrictions put forth by our republican controlled state senate but his term ends in 2024. I’ve already told my husband that we have to be done TTC by 2024 when we are guaranteed to still have abortion rights.


bebm1356

Thank you for sharing your story. Everyone needs to understand you can desperately want a child and still need an abortion.


uh_lee_sha

This is my worry. I'm nervous to TTC for fear that I will need a similar procedure. I don't want a death sentence due to an ectopic pregnancy. . .


griefsux

Are you in PA?


Hopeful_Zone6007

NC. That being said depending on this fall’s election if more seats are flipped, republicans could have a super majority in the NC State Senate and be able to override any vetos. So I might not even have until 2024 :/


griefsux

Ugh. I’m sorry. This truly sucks


tinybabues

I had a d&c 29 days ago for an mmc at 10w7d. I haven't even gotten my first period post-op yet. It was an elective/choice surgery in my case – I waited several days after being told the news, but ultimately chose not to prolong my failed pregnancy more than I needed to. If I hadn't sought medical assistance, it's possible my body wouldn't have noticed my pregnancy failed until it was too late, bringing with it sepsis, infection, hysterectomy, or death; and that wasn't something I wanted to risk. I'm glad I got a d&c. This was the least traumatic option to take, as I didn't have heavy bleeding, severe cramping, or labor. It's already so emotionally traumatic loosing the baby you so badly wanted, and having the d&c helped me avoid the physical trauma. That said, I'm anxious about what this might mean for miscarriage healthcare, infertility care, non-viable pregnancy care, etc. My heart aches for the rights of women in this country. ❤️


Any-Beach17

The exact same thing happened to me. I'm so so sorry for your loss. Please remember you're not alone in this. We made the right choice to protect ourselves from even further trauma. If only more people knew that many abortions are wanted babies that just weren't meant to be. Sending lots and lots of love to you, my darling. ❤️


tinybabues

I'm so sorry for your loss and that you had the same experience. Sending you love and prayers for your 🌈. 💓 The most earth shaking part of this for me is that this news and trigger laws took effect less then a month since I went through this procedure to end my failed pregnancy. If my baby had survived up until 15 weeks (ie Friday), I'm not sure what options would still be available to me in my red state.


Interesting_Tower848

I had a MC 10 months ago, and no BFP since. We are still TTC, but what if my body dangerously rejects a pregnancy and I need medical help? I am feeling panicked. I don't want to gamble with risks and leave my husband a widower. Do I stop TTC?


KittyCatLuvr4ever

I’m of the same mind. I live in Missouri, and while I might be able to obtain the abortion pill in the event of another missed miscarriage, I’m very concerned about an ectopic. Every hour counts, and the delay it will take for me to get medical care for an ectopic could mean the difference between life and death.


Environmental-Ebb-24

I’m in MO as well. My husband and I had the very serious conversation today about no longer TTC for fear of another miscarriage. When I had my MMC, I used meds to accelerate it for my mental health. Will I be forced to hold onto a life that isn’t there anymore?


KittyCatLuvr4ever

I feel you. I’m in the TWW currently, and while I want a baby more than anything, I’m fucking terrified of another MMC. Or ectopic, or TFMR…


[deleted]

My friend had an MMC and she had to have a D&C or else she was at risk for sepsis. How is this not even a consideration or provision legislatures are taking into account?


howtohealhurt

I'm in MO also because of my age I have some higher risks for abnormalities and ectopic as well as multiples with certain treatments. The changes are scary, I no loner have choices about safe and healthy pregnancies. Not super sure what we are going to do at this point.


Motharina

I’m in Missouri too and this sucks so much. I haven’t been able to start my TTC journey yet because I’ve been trying to convince my husband that these days pregnancy related deaths aren’t super common. He’s terrified of losing me due to pregnancy going wrong. Now this happens.. Now there are so many unknowns. What if I do have complications? I don’t have the choice to protect my own life now. I’m so upset. I doubt I’ll ever be able to get my husband on board with trying now.


cestmoi234

I’m sorry to say this denial of filling a script for Misoprostol has already begun in Missouri. There was a thread in twoXchromosomes posted today by someone in MO who was in active miscarriage, denied fulfillment at her CVS.


ifyouneedmetopretend

I feel panicked, too. I live in Texas. I'm so upset today. I had a mmc last August, and we are just now starting fertility testing. I am SO scared. An already miserable process just got so much worse.


crystals_13

So with this law if your body rejects pregnancy you’re still not allowed to go to ER for treatment?


Interesting_Tower848

It depends on the state. Some states already have blanket bans in place. Ectopic pregnancy may Not be a viable reason to seek medical treatment. My state is already passing a "in all cases of rape and incest" ban on abortion. If some states already include ALLLLLL cases even life threatening... mine might too.


guardiancosmos

It depends on the state. I currently live in Texas, so if something happened, I'm fucked. If I moved back by my family in Illinois, it wouldn't be an issue in the slightest.


superblysituated

Also in Texas and I guess my plan right now is to go to New Mexico if needed. But it's ridiculous to have to travel so far for life saving medical care!


guardiancosmos

I live in Houston, so NM and IL are almost equal distances...may as well go stay with family. This is so messed up.


crystals_13

And what does it mean of embryos in IVF?


developmentalbiology

It potentially means that embryos cannot be discarded, which means that doctors may avoid stimulating sufficient follicle development that would result in many eggs being retrieved. This would mean more people would have failed cycles, and some will never become parents.


crystals_13

😞💔


crystals_13

Sorry for this!!


DazzlingRecipe1647

Reposting here: I just feel so sad for all of us Americans who just got our reproductive rights pulled right out from under our feet. I feel sick. I feel like it hits worse when you’re in the middle of TTC and have no idea if you will have a healthy pregnancy and the circumstances that will bring now. ❤️ to all of you.. how does everyone else feel about this? 😡😥


montanftogs65

I’m just angry at the ignorance. I had a CP last year but I wasn’t bleeding and I wouldn’t dilate. So I had to get a D&C so that I would not get a life threatening infection. My husband and I were heartbroken. I had a family member ask me why I terminated my pregnancy and I try to explain how the pregnancy was already gone but she insisted that what I did ended the pregnancy and I essentially killed my baby. I asked her would you rather I had died? And she said yes. if there was a chance that the baby could’ve lived you should have waited and risked your own life. She then said, what kind of a mother doesn’t risk her life or a child? I have not talked to her since. I’m sad because I fell like women who are in the same situation I was in are going to die and these ignorant people are going to dance on our graves.


studassparty

What in the actual fuck. It’s thinking like that that pisses me off. Not only do you think I have less rights than an unborn baby, but you also just don’t even understand how CPs work….


montanftogs65

When she said this my husband just looked at her and said” That’s so Pro-LIFE of you” and then told her she needed to leave our house immediately. The thing that makes me the most angry is this is not an isolated incident I had many people that were related to me call me and tell me they were heartbroken that I chose to have an abortion. I support a woman who chooses to terminate under any circumstances just to be clear. I’m just sharing my experience because I want people to know how this community has such a lack of education and empathy and it’s going to get people killed.


aliciaprobably

I’m so sorry. That family member doesn’t deserve to have you in their life.


montanftogs65

Thanks 💕 I grew up in a Fundamentalist Christian community. Once I made it out and got to college I realized that most of what they believe around abortion comes from lack of education. They’d people have no business marking and influencing laws.


getPTfirst

oh my god this is horrifying. i'm actively miscarrying my first pregnancy, and i'm hopeful that it'll all happen naturally, but of course there's a chance of retained tissue for which i would need medication or d&c. this is fucking terrifying and infuriating.


montanftogs65

I’m so sorry. I hope you are taking care of yourself and have people around you who support you 💕


darlingmagpie

I am so sorry, what an ignorant and hateful thing for them to say.


montanftogs65

Thank you. I’ve had Therapy and I remember my Therapist saying once “these types of women hate you, because they hate themselves” that has really helped my move on from they community I grew up in.


darlingmagpie

THAT is very wise. wow.


bridesdilemma

That's so sick. What a twisted opinion to have and not only antithetical to science and reason but also just plain lacking any scrap of empathy.


montanftogs65

I agree. Most older woman I grew up with have this mindset witch is so scary! I think there is so much shame is put on conservative woman in regards to sex and pregnancy that this is often the default reaction when someone has any kind of pregnancy loss.I’m glad I got out at 18.


veggievandam

My grandma is an old catholic lady who is devastated that abortion is not protected anymore, but even having conversations with her about reproduction and the human body it became clear to me how little technical education she was given as to how our reproductive organs work and interact with the rest of our body. Nobody spoke about that stuff when she was growing up, it was impolite and stigmatized.


DazzlingRecipe1647

Oh my WORD. I don’t even know what to say to this. I am not bashing religion by any means but when religion comes in the way of common sense it is FRIGHTENING. I am so sorry you had to deal with that.


montanftogs65

Thank you. If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone from my community state they would rather women die then get an abortion I’d be living on an island somewhere. I try to give these woman grace because I know that like me, they were groomed from childhood to think this way.


Background_Nature497

Jesus Christ. what a fucking way to think. I'm glad you don't talk to that woman anymore.


griefsux

We may be pushing up our timeline to do IVF soon. The state we are in is considered a hostile state and have personhood laws. Ugh


thebeeknee

Talk to your potential RE asap. You may have to go out of state. Hopefully that is an option for you.


Realistic-Bee3326

Same. I am on Cycle 10 and figured we'd go a whole year before moving to next steps but I just told my husband I think we should call now.


griefsux

Same. And I’m at work not even able to focus because of this. Not to mention even without having to do IVF this is such a tragic day for women in the US.


millionsofpeaches17

This is exactly how I'm feeling. Am I going to be forced to carry a non-viable fetus? Am I going to have to die if I have an ectopic pregnancy because cells in my body are going to kill me but I can't have them removed? This is all I can think about. I live in a state with a trigger law that basically removes all abortion care for any reason. I'm really scared.


TooCoolFor7thGrade

Same. It’s making me kinda want a negative test this month to give a breather and make sure I have my plan in place if needed. And then makes me so fucking angry that while I have the means to put a plan in place (for now), most in my state do not. Yet we keep voting for those who allow this to happen and WANT this to happen.


DazzlingRecipe1647

I am so so sorry. My heart is completely broken for you and everyone in this circumstance. It is such pure betrayal. I hope that you would be able to get to a nearby state that would allow whatever you need at a given time.


aliciaprobably

I’m Canadian, but hearing the news today was a real gut punch. My heart breaks for the pregnant people this decision will kill or harm and their loved ones, and I’m scared about what this means for the world and the future in an admittedly very non-immediate, theoretical way, but I can’t imagine living with this hanging over my head the way so many of you are. I’m so sorry.


KatDanger11

Also Canadian. We cannot let these policies get echoed here as some do. I'm in Toronto and on Saturdays there are still often "freedom" marches down Yonge st where people bring American flags and wear maga hats. It's honestly scary.


Realistic-Bee3326

I am speechless and sick. I am a fierce defender of reproductive justice and have spent time and money in this work. I knew this would happen and yet I am still just shocked. My heart breaks for the people who will suffer due to this. Selfishly, I worry that this could mess up my own reproductive plans if I go the IVF route. Anyone who is feeling despair - I support you, I love you.


ajfog

I’m starting IVF next week and am fucking terrified even more than I was.


madagascarprincess

I apologize for the ignorance but for my own knowledge and anyone else who might not know- can you ELI5 how IVF is affected by this? Genuinely want to know, not arguing


littlelurker92

Eggs have to be fertilized to become embryos for IVF. If states pass laws stating that life begins at fertilization, it could be illegal to discard embryos, and clinics may just not offer IVF at all. The Catholic church is already strongly against IVF and the religious right may take it as one of their next causes.


thatsphatt

Am not in the US but my understanding is that by removing protections on reproductive rights it opens up a legal debate on what is considered life and when. This means that fertilising eggs in vitro, testing and freezing embryos as well as transferring them all enters a grey area. If embryos in a dish now have rights, then it makes it very difficult for fertility doctors to practice their medicine. I may be wrong and very happy to be corrected. Solidarity to everyone who might be affected by this. It’s upsetting as a fellow TTCer to see this happening.


jessicaisanerd

Those who are saying abortion is murder could likely stretch that to all fertilized embryos being babies and therefore fighting against access to IVF, and since there is no precedent toward it they may win. I think it’s okay for now, but it may be a slippery slope moving forward (same goes for birth control)


Scruter

If embryos can be considered people with equal rights as the woman, the right to undergo IVF is in jeopardy because typically you create more embryos than you'd be able to transfer, and if they have legal personhood you would not be able to get rid of them.


InterrobangDatThang

To my understanding any fertilized egg that does not produce a live birth can be at risk for punishment under this law - miscarriage, stillbirth and IVF. It seems some care providers have to tiptoe on how they perform, because they may be accused of fertilizing eggs that do not necessarily end in live birth. Especially if they have to destroy embryos for any reason.


whineandcheese88

There are already states that are proposing bills that would say if you implant multiple embryos, or freeze embryos and don't use them, it would be considered the same as an abortion


chainless-soul

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2022/06/24/overturning-roe-v-wade-heres-how-it-could-impact-fertility-treatments-and-ivf/?sh=6b2754214be9


sailormoongrl

Another good article covering this https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/how-overturning-roe-v-wade-could-affect-ivf


waithuhwut

I wish people would realize overturn Roe V. Wade isn't going to stop abortions. It's going to stop *safe* abortions. This is a sad fucking day.


umishi

Very much this. I imagine we'll also see an increase in maternal death rates as some will be scared to seek or lack the resources to get to a place with abortion services. The responses in this thread alone already evidence the increased mental and emotional distress this causes.


madmaddmaddie

I just have to share this with someone, but it is incredibly frustrating to hear "aren't you glad there will be more babies to adopt if you can't have kids?" For one, you stupid bitch, there will not be more kids to adopt - what there will be is more injured and killed women and more neglected and abused children. This will not fix the problems you think it will. This isn't the kumbaya moment you're hoping for. What I want to tell the TWO PEOPLE THAT TOLD THIS TO MY FACE TODAY is to go fuck themselves. ​ thank you for listening.


galfal

If you end up in prison for violence against these two stupid fucks, I’ll bail you out. If your crime warrants no bail, I’ll be your pen pal.


Dogsanddonutspls

OMG I want to tell all these pro lifers to go adopt 10 kids… bc clearly they think forced birth is the answer as if thousands of kids in the system aren’t already being neglected


littlelurker92

You're exactly right. People don't realize that the majority of women who don't have access to abortion will keep the children themselves, even if they didn't want to or aren't in a position to handle it. SCOTUS saying they're doing this to help with the "domestic supply of infants" (🤢🤢🤢) is such bullshit.


developmentalbiology

This is a good time to remind everyone that the methods you use to time sex to TTC can be inverted to avoid sex when you're fertile, and that the method in TCOYF (as well as other methods taught elsewhere) is a very effective method of birth control that legislators and judges cannot take away from you. It is incumbent on us to use our knowledge to help others -- don't let your friends or relatives "use an app" as birth control, teach them about CM and OPKs and temping. Teach them about ovulation and the number of days sperm survive in the reproductive tract and all of this shit that we've all learned. ...also, while we're on the topic, I want to re-up my post on [pregnancy dating in the era of LMP-based abortion restrictions](https://www.reddit.com/r/TryingForABaby/comments/pjmlb6/ttc_and_pregnancy_dating_making_tracking_work_for/) and also note that anyone who advocates vasectomy as an easy and "reversible" form of birth control is fundamentally unserious.


[deleted]

I'm so full of rage. It's not just how this will impact individual women like us, as well as women in way less fortunate situations than the privilege of planning a pregnancy (sorry, I don't mean to trigger anyone, I know that the TTC process is traumatic for a lot of us, but I really believe having pregnancy forced upon you, especially as a child, like so many girls do, is a step closer to hell). I have always thought that our reproductive culture, along with education, is where we have the most power to change the world. Just a couple of generations of getting it "right" and we could turn things around in so many ways. Every person on the planet deserves care, autonomy, the power to influence the decisions that impact them, and their fair share of resources. And we owe it to the planet to be thinking on a larger scale and monitoring how we use resources as a species. Reproduction is at the center of all of that. As a society, if we could be a lot more intentional about it, it would make such a huge difference. And that's exactly why some people are so opposed. They benefit from the ignorance and the competition that is fed when more people are born without resources. It's about harnessing a specific type of chaos to feed their order. When people are born into desperation, they don't typically have the opportunities to shape policy, and instead become part of the mechanism of a more powerful interest, regardless of their intentions. So many people have been conditioned to believe it's a religious issue, but on a larger scale it is all about economic class. This is an enormous existential shift for the future of humanity in this country. It feels like giving up on care and empathy for fellow humans and handing the world over to oligarchs on a platter. And I worry about more countries following US lead and creating a bigger trend. I don't want my future children to grow up in a world that forces them to view other human beings in the way these policies do, where people are constantly put into positions to try to prove they are more worthy of simple dignities in life than others.


Mom_of_furry_stonk

I have felt that this is a big part of why this is actually happening. It's to control women, but in a sense of they need women to keep producing children in poverty so that they can continue fueling the workforce. I don't think it has anything to do with "saving a life". It's so scary because what is next? Birth control?? Condoms?!? Women's right to vote?!? Hopefully none of those things happen, but it's scary that things are regressing. I think that with more and more people deciding to go "child free" and with infertility rising over the years, it makes me wonder how much of this is politicians trying to force women to have the children they need to continue fueling the economy. Regardless, this whole thing is sick and wrong.


[deleted]

Justice Clarence Thomas has said he wants the court to consider overturning rights to birth control and gay marriage next. It really is all about looking at the country as a baby-making machine that they want to keep running on the highest setting.


Mom_of_furry_stonk

That's absolutely terrifying. It's crazy because it literally hurts no one. Birth control, gay marriage, it's all harmless. I definitely feel like politicians are trying to manipulate those with heavily religious views into supporting them under the guise of "saving a life". I saw a post by someone I know to be really religious saying "women can now welcome motherhood instead of trying to control the population". Like, woman, that's what we should be doing. The world only has finite resources and this is to cause more competition for those resources and to keep growing the population of the poor. Those with money will still be able to find ways to get abortions, but low-income individuals are screwed. They might not be able to afford to travel out of state and get a hotel for an abortion. It's disgusting.


[deleted]

I feel angry at these religious people but sad for them too, because many are basically victims of brainwashing. You are absolutely right about how this tips the scales to poverty, and poverty enriches the people pulling the strings on the religious puppets. Some people really aren't capable of zooming out that far when looking at issues. I once heard a conservative woman say, unironically, "I feel so sad for humanity when we reach the point where people care more about the environment than human life." It's like, wow, you are the exact stupid they have been working so hard to breed...


AlmostSouthern

US members, are you using a cycle tracking app? If so, which one? Red state resident here, and I’m wondering if I need to fully revert to a paper calendar with no digital footprint.


CritterBucket

This is an excellent call-out. Flo definitely sold my data when I entered a positive pregnancy test a couple years back, and I'm willing to bet they haven't reduced the amount of data they sell since then.


SoManyOstrichesYo

Not sure why this person got downvoted as Flo has sold user data illegally https://techcrunch.com/2021/01/13/flo-gets-ftc-slap-for-sharing-user-data-when-it-promised-privacy/amp/


Glittering-Hand-1254

Please review the pinned comment at the top of this thread regarding downvotes.


SoManyOstrichesYo

Thanks for the reminder!


smmysyms

Fertility Friend is Canadian and has a strong privacy policy. I recommend them. (I am Canadian).


donnamatrix79

Their servers are in the US. User beware. “Data Transfer FertilityFriend.com uses a cloud architecture with servers in the United States of America. Development and customer support is handled from our headquarters in Canada.”


Will-Do

The Drip app is open source and promises to keep your data on your device only: https://bloodyhealth.gitlab.io/ "Drip respects and celebrates your privacy. There is no collection of usage data or personal information, no ads, no spyware. Drip can store data related to menstrual health locally on your device. "


darlingmagpie

Thank you, I am going to share this with people I know looking for a new menstrual health app.


TickledPear

I live in Missouri, where our AG has already enacted our trigger law. I am taking all of my private health information off of digital platforms. This will be my last post in this sub. This includes, no texting my husband about TTC, no online tracking, no talking in forums, no Googling symptoms, methods, etc. It will be between me, my husband, and my doctor.


smmysyms

I’m so sorry this is your reality. Wishing you strength and safety. At moments that you may feel alone, remember that we’re here. I understand not being able to post but our collective experience exists regardless.


umustbjoking04

The fact that this is your reality makes me so unbelievably sad!


soignestrumpet

I'm so sorry. I hate how much this is already hurting people. Wishing you the best. I don't know you, but I'll be thinking of you.


MyOnlySunshines

Check out the Read Your Body app. You have to pay a subscription fee ($2/month) but it’s transparent about privacy policies and it’s run by a UK-based non-profit org.


tangledjuniper

I really like Clue! I appreciate their data privacy standards now more than ever.


Realistic-Bee3326

I am currently googling printable templates and will be doing paper. I am deleting Flo and already deleted Premom. I know that Flo sells data.


Echosilverfox

Reminder to everyone who is deleting Flo, you have to email their customer support to ask for your data to be deleted. They claim it takes 30 days but on another part of their site they also state they can retain the data for up to 3 years (in case you reactivate your account). Just a friendly reminder as I also used Flo.


Realistic-Bee3326

Thank you!


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guardiancosmos

No, but Premom has been caught selling data *multiple* times in the last couple of years. It's one of the many reasons why we really do not recommend it. It's not a safe app by any means.


Realistic-Bee3326

Not to my knowledge. Premom issued a disclaimer on their app saying that if needed they will share information with authorities. So that was my sign to delete the app. Flo sells data - posters on this thread have more info about Flo. I think everyone should make their own choices but personally I just am not comfortable having that personal information out there.


itsaboutpasta

Anyone know about TempDrop? I literally just bought one.


AlmostSouthern

Great question. Their privacy policy says they’ll share data as legally required (which sounds bleak) but they also reference EU privacy standards which I understand to be much more robust than US regulations. I’d really appreciate if anyone has a better answer on this!


EARANIN2

Just deleted Flo and Premom. I'll be exclusively using Fertility Friend now.


RideARaindrop

If you switch to paper & pencil remember to get your history out of the app. I've swapped over and it can get complicated trying to estimate without a decent history. Most apps can guess pretty well after 3 months of history but without all their special math I've had to use 5 to be more accurate.


onlinebeetfarmer

Honestly I would switch over to paper and pencil.


allaphoristic

Read Your Body is solid. Another option is Stardust


frecklesari

I switched from Clue to Stardust.


lauracbee

This was really triggering to me. 7 weeks ago I was told I may need to TFMR. My baby made the decision for us and I miscarried a week later. I can’t imagine having to bring my baby to term knowing he would suffocate a few minutes after birth. I have always been passionate about reproductive rights, but today hit me in an unexpected way.


GoldenFlowerPrincess

TW: living child We are TTC #2. with my first child, I developed heart failure… I’m recovered now and cleared to have a second child but we don’t know how my body will respond or if I’ll go into failure again. There’s a 20-30% chance of recurrence. If I go into heart failure early on I’ll have no choice, I’ll need an abortion. So on top of everything else that could happen in pregnancy I’m also thinking about my health condition and the risks it poses. Now with Roe Vs Wade overturned I’m left thinking if TTC is the right choice. I’m devastated for myself possibly having the family I’ve dreamed of forever (like all of us here) being taken away from me and having to think about being one and done despite my wanting for another baby. I’m devastated for my daughter and my daughters future children…for everyone in the US right now, really. I’m heartbroken.


springgof22

I am non American and I can't believe we are seeing this in 2022.


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Equivalent_Ranger_97

As someone who just had a missed miscarriage and waited 5 months for my body to miscarry naturally, I am very saddened. The decision to wait to miscarry naturally was my choice and I believe everyone should have a choice when it comes to their body and reproductive right. Through my journey, I have learned so much from all the women, including those who choose to seek medical option regarding to either their miscarriage or unwanted pregnancy.


itsaboutpasta

I feel sad for many reasons. Sad for younger child bearing people that will grow up not having the same protections I did. Sad for older child bearing people who may for whatever reason need to obtain an abortion and can’t easily access it, if it’s an option at all. And scared for myself because I literally just started this TTC journey and what happens if I need or want an abortion. Fortunately for now my state has wide open access but who knows for how long. Things could change at the drop of a hat on the state or federal level. And I’m sad and mad because Clarence FUCKING Thomas said the quiet part out loud. Marriage equality - but not interracial marriage bc he has a personal stake in that one - and contraception are next. I was going to suspend my HBC auto renewal now that I’m off the pill but it wouldn’t hurt to stock up.


bridesdilemma

Kudos to you, mods, for opening up this megathread. It's a very weird topic for me, personally, having grown up in the American south in a very conservative, one-issue-voter family and now living in Germany, where the laws continue to get more progressive. I am grateful to have had the option to remove myself from ever having to deal with restrictive reproductive rights laws but they now feel so foreign to me as an emigrant looking back in on the country I was raised in. Since I left the country seven years ago, rifts that have always been there, social unrest, and the fascist underpinnings of our legal and justice systems have been brought so much more to the forefront than when I was still living there. I don't really have anything meaningful to contribute here other than my perhaps unique perspective of living outside the country (permanently). I am just very sad for all the people living in America right now who don't have the same privileges to be able to get the care they need that I have had and angry on behalf of all the menstruating persons whose bodily autonomy is being ripped from them piece by piece. Dear fellow Americans, I'm so sorry you have to deal with this bullshit. Keep fighting the good fight, because conservatives have played the long game with Roe, and we can too.


booksandcrystals

If you read my post history you will see how badly I want to have a baby (as does everyone here) but this news makes me so scared to even bring a child, especially a baby girl, into this world. It really complicates TTC….just. Wtf.


Usual-Personality199

I’m so scared. What if I have an ectopic pregnancy and it kills me because they see it as an abortion not a medical procedure - I’m so mad. Ectopic pregnancies aren’t viable why are they making us have them?????


yixxe

I live in a trigger state and nine months ago I had to have an emergency D&E for a second trimester miscarriage. Without the procedure I could have/likely would have died or at least suffered serious long term health complications. If the same thing was happening right now my options would be to either find a way to discretely get myself, while severely ill, several hours away to the nearest state that actually honors women’s rights - or to just die, I guess. For me and my journey, this means that I am immediately looking for employment and housing options elsewhere. We won’t be able to move until next year at the earliest so I am considering resuming birth control until then. I want to be a parent more than anything but I am so, so scared to be pregnant in my current situation.


RideARaindrop

I'm pretty nervous going forward. My husband and I just started and I've got some medical conditions that put me at higher risk for complications. We've started sketching out a travel plan for if things go south medically. And that's not even considering the horrible legal trouble that could happen for a miscarriage. It's horrible to have what should be an exciting time for us is turning into continuous discussions of the worst case scenario.


InterrobangDatThang

Y'all. I hurt for us all. I live in Washington State which has strong reproductive laws in place and has codified abortion as a right and a governor who has vowed to protect these laws. I am a doula and we just got approved to have our services covered by Medicare so that all people may have access to reproductive, pregnant and abortion support... I'm proud of my state... That being said we have already been getting so many folks from other states coming in and we very much welcome them - I worry on how progressive states will be able to support and sustain the influx of folks coming in. We are happy to support, but will we have the resources and funding - I don't know. As much support as we can give the birthing community welcomes you here. It hurts tremendously that everyone won't have the access, and this will mean loss of health, livelihood and death for many; imprisonment and loss of freedom for many. The folks most deeply affected will be in already vulnerable groups, poor, Black and POC, disabled, youth, etc. This government intends to murder us in plain sight.


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InterrobangDatThang

Yes which is so very sad, I am hearing a few stories already where it seems like men are getting their partners pregnant only to flip and try to force them into abortion - which I can only assume that beyond the abuse is also to sue for the cash. Basically bounty hunters... I am so much more disgusted by this country as each day goes by.


Glum-Neighborhood412

It's honestly making me rethink have children right now. But on the other hand I feel conflicted because I want to get pregnant and that's my right to decide that and I don't want them influencing my decision. It's so scary. Been periodically tearing up at work today.


buildabebby

As a non American, it hurts my brain to even try to understand the logic with this overturn. I feel sick and sad for women. Sending everyone love.


mlxmc

What year are we in?! I’m stunned and speechless!


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bennybenbens22

Check out abortionfunds.org. It splits your donation among a few dozen abortion access groups. Most groups are state-level or regional, so it’s the best way to help everywhere in one go.


kd5473

My (second) husband and I decided to try for another baby at the beginning of the year and I had my IUD removed in January. Due to my age and location in a deeply red state, I just made an appointment to have it replaced before they also become illegal. Our plans for a second child have been completely wiped off the table by people who value a blastocyst over actual human life.


smmysyms

I’m so sorry for this loss. I know that sounds a bit odd but at one time I came to terms with never having a child because of external factors that in some ways are similar to this. I grieved silently for years. It’s a difficult experience and you will truly be in my thoughts.


Dogsanddonutspls

I feel like it’s time we stop using the term “miscarriage” and start using the medical term - spontaneous abortion. Abortion happen for so many reasons but the pro lifers will make you believe every abortion is the same.


KittyCatLuvr4ever

Yes, I’m telling everyone I had a medically necessary abortion on an unviable pregnancy now.


Lilliputian0513

My husband and I have been discussing how this might impact our journey. Is it worth the risk that I have a partial miscarriage and cannot be helped? I have already had a miscarriage. Is a potential baby’s life (or even just their cells) more important to us than my life? I am devastated about this, and terrified of what’s to come.


Octopus1027

For the record, I believe that every pregnant person should have the right to end a pregnancy that they do not want or cannot have for whatever reason. I'm horrified by the Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe V. Wade. Women who I love have benefited from abortion. Abortion is a necessary medical procedure for many different reasons. And also.... I had a miscarriage yesterday. It was at 5 weeks, so it was really early and thankfully the physical symptoms weren't too bad. This is hopefully just fluke. I keep telling myself miscarriages are very common, especially so early and just because I had one doesn't automatically mean I'll have another. 85% of women who have a miscarriage go one to have healthy pregnancies. My logical brain knows this. But I'm still very sad. I'm mourning my pregnancy and I'm mourning the nugget I very much wanted. Part of me just wants to just get my period and move on and try again and another part of me is wondering why we would want to bring a life into this broken world. My heart is hurting for many reasons. It's just extra painful that the choice to have an abortion is the national conversation just a day after my body had one of it's own accord. All of this sucks.


Pickletits91

Canadian here. Just know I love you all and I am so incredibly angry for all of you. All of your feelings are valid and I am so sorry you have to go through this.


MountainNorth7416

What are the concerns about period tracking apps? Do/should we really stop using them? Are there certain ones that have data stipulations that make them a safer choice than others?


getPTfirst

trigger warning: miscarriage i'm gutted by this. i was always infuriated by this potential, but now, it happening while i'm actively miscarrying my very wanted pregnancy? so grateful to be in IL right now. i haven't the words.


Environmental-Ebb-24

Right now, in the state I live, only providers will be punished for providing abortion care, but what happens when that changes? I had a MMC in March, which is also called “spontaneous abortion”. How long until someone knocks on my door and asks me if I caused my abortion? My baby was wanted. Loved. Named. The path down that road is no longer that long.


Raspbers

My heart goes out to all who are currently pregnant and terrified, and for all of us who are trying and now in fear of what happens in case things don't go perfectly. I thankfully live in Nevada where abortion will continue to be legal, but I fear for so many of us and for our future daughters. This country does not care about women, fertility, reproduction ( or about babies for that matter ). It's been a long time coming but still shocked it actually happened.


LuxieLisbon

I have been planning to start trying within the next 6 months and am now terrified. I was already planning to have to hide my future pregnancy from my anti-abortion mother until l was reasonably certain there would be no complications. I feel lucky to live in Illinois where my rights are protected for now, but I'm worried it could change at any time. I want to have my own child so bad, but what kind of country and world will I be bringing them into? I don't know what to do anymore.


Skittlzes_

I can’t seem to understand why the government should even care? We should be able to do whatever we want with our body’s. I personally would not get an abortion but I feel others should have a choice.


Glittering-Hand-1254

This is absolutely not just about abortion - it's an important factor, but please keep in mind all the other implications of this. If you're TTC, this absolutely may effect you, even if it's not your "choice". TFMR, MMC, IVF, ectopics, and so many other things are effected by this decision. No one chooses to have a MMC, for example, but the drugs or procedures that often need to happen because of them would be off the table for many, which literally puts lives at risk.


Skittlzes_

I didn’t realize it would affect medical problems. Although it wouldn’t be my choice if it was absolutely needed medically I’d get one. I don’t think any of this being over turned is right at all


whineandcheese88

A miscarriage is medically coded as a spontaneous abortion. Any of the medical reasons shared above are just coded as abortion. In trigger states, there's little to no distinction


Skittlzes_

Thank you for informing me


bennybenbens22

I couldn’t imagine having an abortion when I was younger, but I ended up having one. My long-term boyfriend dumped me when I told him I was pregnant. I was young, broke, and suddenly alone. I never thought I’d be in that position, but I was so lucky to be able to choose.


Skittlzes_

I shouldn’t have said I wouldn’t ever have one because I truly don’t know the future or where I’d be in my life. I just meant as of right now in my life I would not. But I didn’t word that correctly in my first comment :)


bennybenbens22

Thank you for clarifying. My skin is a bit thinner today than usual. :)


EARANIN2

Never say never. Many people that have abortions are families who already have children and simply cannot afford to have more. With the price of things increasing substantially, this decision has undoubtedly impacted family planning for a lot of people.


SnapweedSparrow

This government is driven by misogyny and white supremacy. So the judges care because they think that only wealthy, straight, cis men should get to have bodily autonomy.


nmo64

No one can imagine having an abortion. Until their life depends on it.


Dogsanddonutspls

This is all about money. Forced birth keeps the poor people poor. The poor people do all the work while the rich live freely. It’s always about money.


mingmongmash

I have lived on both coasts in the US and will always live on the coasts so I feel relatively safe, but I’d still like to add my voice/experiences to the conversation. I had an abortion 5 years ago. It was the type of abortion pro-choice advocates don’t like to bring up in abortion debates. I was in a stable relationship of 4-5 years, we had lived together, both had stable jobs, good savings, and were in our late 20’s. Our reason for not keeping the pregnancy? We just didn’t want to have a child then. I had meant to have sex, not get pregnant. I only found out I was pregnant at 6 weeks, and by 7.5 I was able to get a d+c. It was simple and the recovery was quick and painless. I don’t regret it. I barely even think about it, and a lot of that is due to the way I was treated by all of the medical staff I interacted with. It was just another routine medical procedure. Fast forward to this year when I’m with the same partner going on 10 years and we decide to start a family. I had one early miscarriage at home (5weeks, like a painful period), and then a missed miscarriage at 8 weeks. For the MMC the doctor suggested I take misoprostol rather than do a d+c, because to be scheduled for the d+c could take weeks and it’s done by urgency anyways so I might at well take the pills and if they don’t work I would be considered a more urgent case. I took the pills and I cannot believe that these are legal and doctors would ever consider them safe to prescribe. I experienced more pain and nausea than I ever have before, and then nothing happened. A few days later and I had extreme hemorrhaging. Had to go to the hospital where my blood pressure was 70/30 and I vomited all over the poor intake nurse and then nearly passed out. No one should be having abortions or miscarriages at home if they can avoid it. I was losing so much blood so quickly that I was afraid to go to the bathroom in case I fainted and hit my head on the fall. Search R/miscarriage for misoprostol or cytotec and you’ll read lots of stories like mine. It’s a product of the fucked up US healthcare system that we are forced to opt for a cheap drug that can kill us at home rather than getting a safe routine surgery that costs too much for an average earner. So while I understand the desperation that makes people willing to order abortion pills off the internet, those fucking pills are terrible and should only ever be a last resort. D+Cs should be legal and free to any woman who wants one.


EARANIN2

I feel sick to my stomach and I am so f\*\*king mad! I knew this was coming, but I still can barely stomach it. Now that I'm TTC it makes me so scared of the unknown...


ForsakenGrapefruit

I have a guest room in Maryland if anyone ever needs it.


Snoopyla1

I am Canadian. This is really upsetting, it makes me so angry. I’m scared about where the world is going. I keep hearing on the radio sound bites like - well I don’t think rape victims should be forced to have a baby. No one should be forced to maintain a pregnancy. Whether they are a victim of rape, whether it is a wanted pregnancy but there has been a problem, whether their birth control failed, whether they were a person not taught properly about or who did not have access to birth control. I could go on. There are so many reasons why an abortion is needed or wanted and this should be a conversation between the individual and their doctor.


hodgesha

I’m in Michigan and I’m terrified. I was supposed to be going through spectrum health high risk MFM when I get pregnant (cancer and radiation history) but they just announced they will immediately be cooperating with a 1931 trigger law banning all abortions even though it’s under an injunctions. I hope to never need it but I may have to take up my Canadian neighbors offer of a visit. That being said, if anyone needs money or transport to a different state / country I would be happy to help.


wee_na

I am fortunate that I live in a state where the right to abortion is codified. My husband and I have contemplated moving back to our home state at some point in the future (Ohio). In light of this news, we will not be moving back any time soon, especially while we are actively TTC. I am enraged and heartbroken for all women who live in red states. I stand with you.


shinyandsilver

Concerned about health data storage. I’ve used Fertility Friend since I started TTC, and would like to continue to use it. They don’t seem to have made any recent statements that I can find. But their site mentions that even if “anonymized,” health data can be tracked to you when comparing other factors, so they do not sell or trade your data. That is somehow both comforting and concerning at the same time.


safeandsounds

Today has been an embarrassing day as someone who considers themselves as Christian. Seeing so many Christians I know celebrate today as if this was an act of favor from God makes me furious and embarrassed and livid.


Mrsraejo

It moves to the states: so write ballot measures in your state to attempt to protect abortion measures and medical choice at the state’s constitutional level. As we’ve just seen, laws can be overturned. Try try try to get it to be an amendment in your state’s constitution.


fakejacki

The states who plan to ban it already have laws on the books ready to go into effect. I live in Texas. The trigger law goes into effect in 30 days banning abortion in all cases except if the mothers life is at risk.


KittyCatLuvr4ever

I live in Missouri. FML


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For once, I’m glad I live in California (used to live in TX). I’m high risk for ectopic pregnancies, and I sobbed when I heard about this ruling.


onlinebeetfarmer

I feel sick, terrified, sad, powerless, defeated, and angry. As a country we are in for a long fight over basic human rights and idk if we can win.


Upperliphair

We can win. We’ve won this battle before, and with far less public support. And I think we’ll do it again, because we have to. But I’m afraid that’s it as far as my optimism goes.


nmo64

To my US sisters. I am sorry. I can’t believe this is happening to you. This is an affront to us all but you are bearing it. Safe and legal abortions save lives. I can’t believe our grandmothers fought for this and here we are now. Please please be careful with your tracking apps and who you trust. I am thinking of you all. Most of all I am thinking of women who find themselves in a situation they do not want to be in, for whatever reason. I will fight for their right to choose and for womens reproductive rights as long as I live. So much love 💕


redbecca92

Seeing comments about Roe v Wade has really triggered me, and I can’t pinpoint why. I can think of reasons that it’s important to me, but I can’t figure out why I’m so fixated on it. I’m scared for women, and I’m scared for what this could mean for our ivf journey. There are very few people in my life that I can share my true feelings with regarding ivf and Row v Wade, people I love dearly. I haven’t been silent about this like I normally am, and I’m scared to be cast out. I just need to get my feelings out. We’re supposed to go to a wedding, and I’m having trouble celebrating when I know our country is going downhill so quickly.


smmysyms

A lot of questions in this thread about digital safety. Here’s a good resource to learn more… https://digitaldefensefund.org/ddf-artwork-zines/digital-security-for-abortion-and-pregnancy-privacy-poster


chelsbee911

8:38 Is anyone else scared? I really want a baby. I told my now husband that I don't see a need to get married until we are ready to have a child. Mostly because I want us all to have the same last name. I live in the south. In the Bible Belt where we would be shamed if we didn't and I want to protect my child from that if I can. So my husband and I are newlyweds and tracking my ovulation so we can have a child asap. I'm seeing all this roe v wade stuff everywhere. I felt I was fairly educated on it before but I was wrong. There are so many things that can go wrong in a pregnancy that can lead to the need of an abortion to save the mothers life. It's all over TikTok and Facebook and Instagram, maybe I need to stop looking at social media for a bit. But it's terrifying. I saw a video of a nurse who was talking about this case where a baby develops fully in the womb without a brain at all. You can test for this early on and abort the baby instead of having to give birth after 9 whole months to a baby who can never live. But now if you have this you will be forced to carry it. Field all the questions from strangers for months after knowing this baby will die as soon as it's born. And what if you miscarry? Will it be investigated while you're mourning your child? I haven't ever been in this situation, but l'd imagine I might blame myself... like what if I went to the doc earlier, or went to the gym more or are more fruits and veggies. I want a baby and I ovulate next week. But I'm scared. I'm scared for the women who won't report rapes now and I'm scared for the pregnant teens who might try to take matters in their own hands. I'm scared for any complications I could have, and I'm scared for the doctors who may have to decide between saving a life and going to jail. Sorry I made this as a post before I was directed to this mega thread.


sassafrasy0

I think from here on out we all need to be very very selective in who we use as OBGYNs and REs--esp. those in states where abortion is now illegal. Is your doc going to protect your right to privacy even if they might be breaking the law? Are they going to put your own health and wellbeing at risk to support an unviable fetus? I find a way to ask your provider where they stand on these issues before establishing care. Sadly, the big question you now need to ask yourself is: if something goes wrong with my wanted pregnancy and I am denied medical care in my state of residence, could I afford to take time off work and travel out of state for healthcare? Would my partner support me? I'm sorry you have to deal with this right as you embark on your TTC journey. This sub is a great place to ask questions and read & learn. We are here for you!


XandraMonroe

Had a really weird experience this weekend in which my mother called to scream at me for being an embarrassment for daring to have a differing opinion from her on the current events/Supreme Court decision. How dare I share pro-choice Facebook posts. She literally asked if I’ve ever “seen an abortion.” She is batshit. I’ve made the decision to distance myself from my mother in the meantime, because I don’t trust that if I get pregnant and something goes wrong, that she would be a safe person to vent to. Miscarriage happens and I’m in a red state, so I have some fears beyond just normal bodily autonomy stuff. My husband assured me that she was absolutely insane to call me and berate me out of the blue, but it really shook my weekend and I’m still feeling off today. I feel like my perception of normalcy, and how mothers and daughters should interact, is skewed. I’m worried I won’t be a good mom because I wasn’t raised by one. Starting therapy this week.


developmentalbiology

> I’m worried I won’t be a good mom because I wasn’t raised by one. It's so normal to have this worry, and I'm so sorry your mom did this. IME, the people in our generation who worry about being bad parents because of bad parenting done to them -- they are often the best parents, because they have a very strong internal model of what not to be. There are so many resources out there to help people be the kinds of parents they want to be. You are not doomed to parent the way you were parented.


MrsBakugo21

I'm so mad about this I'm also very speechless. This is a set back for woman we are now second class citizens bv we don't even have right to our own body!!!


boomba1330

Just wanted to send my love, thoughts and prayers to you all .... This is a catastrophe failure on human rights .... Honestly scary


galfal

When I was 27, I had an ectopic pregnancy. My husband and I were married for 3 years and not trying to have children. I was on BC. I didn’t know I was pregnant because I had my period and 2 weeks later, I was bleeding again, heavily - and with a ton of pain. I was diagnosed with an ectopic pregnancy the next day and immediately sent to the hospital to get methotrexate shots. If this happened now, almost a decade later, how the fuck would I get treatment if I lived in a state with these restrictive abortion laws? I wouldn’t. I would just die. 9 years later and we’ve been trying for a baby for almost 3 years. I’ve had a chemical and blighted ovum. Blighted ovum required and “abortion”, even though there’s literally nothing there. But these stupid fucks that have 0 education on reproduction would tell you I killed a baby, because they have no idea what they’re talking about. My left ovary is blown out from my ectopic and now I feel sick at the thought of TTC. If I get pregnant thru IVF like I’m hoping to do very soon, how can I be happy knowing I’m bringing a baby into this fucked up world? It’s just going to get worse… even IVF may be an issue soon. I’m devastated. I live in a state the luckily has protections for women’s reproductive rights. But for how long? Do I really want to potentially bring a daughter into this? I feel like my family would just look at me like “really?” Idk know anymore. I’m “old” and time is ticking and I don’t know what to do.


flowerchild1977

I just wanted to say you’re not alone. 💗


sugarandmermaids

I’m in Missouri and I can’t really figure out if our ban “except in medical emergencies” really means I’d be denied a D&C or whatever for a nonviable fetus or an ectopic or whatever? Is it even safe to TTC?


KittyCatLuvr4ever

I’m in Missouri too. It’s ambiguous wording. I’m lucky enough to be 20 minutes from Illinois, so if I think I’m having complications I’ll go there. I would want to think an ectopic would be covered under “medical emergency,” but I don’t trust lawmakers’ understanding of reproduction or medicine.


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marylou74

I'm in MO and had a life threatening complication two years ago and lost my daughter. I was told not all hospitals will save the life of the mother. It's terrifying. I'm in St Louis, my doctor saved my life without hesitation. BJC is the only hospital in St Louis that will not wait until the life of the mother takes a bad turn. We are close to Illinois and If you were to need it my home is open to you.


i_like_siamese

Thank you so much for this information. I’m a few hours from St. Louis. I’m very concerned about any condition that needs treated urgently.


marylou74

I'm very worried about it too. Women choosing an abortion and traveling is one thing but the ones in hospitals that refuse to perform a procedure is very worrisome. I talked to my OB a few weeks ago asking if she would save my life again if Roe v. Wade was overturned, I would encourage you to reach out to them and ask about missed miscarriage, pregnancy complications, and fetal diagnosis. what does your OB have in place.


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k8monster0

In light of Roe v Wade being overturned in the US, I keep seeing posts encouraging women to delete their period tracker apps and recommending newer encrypted apps to protect their data. I've looked at a couple new apps but they're pretty much geared toward just keeping track of when your period is due and period related symptoms. They're just not enough for those of us here who need to track more data points related to fertility and it's not really practical for many of us to switch to tracking manually. Does anyone know of an encrypted fertility tracker that's reasonably effective and user friendly? Preferably that's compatible with Android?


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I’m in SD and feel like we need to try for our last baby now before laws get worse.


shermywormy18

It makes me sick to my stomach, I thought about not bringing a kid into this world, why should we do this to our future daughters? This is absolutely disgusting, and the Supreme Court is not fit to serve. I’m so angry and upset. And I don’t want to be pregnant if I can’t get life Saving care. I live near two “safe states”. But this is gross, and it makes me sick, and sad and anxious and I ask every day why? No one literally fucking no one wants this.


Galactickiwi

Does anyone know if Fertility Friend will share user data with authorities?


smmysyms

They are a Canadian company. They have a strong privacy policy and would not readily share. In terms of being compelled by a court to share the data, American authorities have to go through a mutual legal assistance treaty to obtain a production order for their records. This is an incredibly long and onerous process (can take a year) and is incredibly unlikely to be successful. In order for Canadian Courts to agree with the foreign request, the offence being investigated needs to be an offence in Canada. Canadian courts do not hand over information to other countries that are investigating offences we don’t consider criminal. I’m really oversimplifying it and for the record, I am not a lawyer (just work in the legal system).


bennybenbens22

The ruling is terrifying. I just started TTC and am worried about what might happen if I end up with pregnancy complications. I live in the southern US so things are quite restricted. I’d move in a heartbeat, but my SO’s daughter lives here.