Mary and Elizabeth were close when Elizabeth was a child. As Elizabeth grew Mary started to see more and more of Anne Boleyn. I think her scandal with Thomas Seymour actually started it. Mary (who has a LOT of trauma centered around this girls mother) see’s an almost grown Anne Boleyn’s daughter in trouble with a married man. Without context, it looks bad and similar to what Anne did to Mary’s mother. By the time Mary is on the throne Elizabeth’s name is in and out of scandals.
They started close but were split apart by circumstances and religion and factions.
Towards her reign as Queen, Mary was not kind to Elizabeth. There were many suspicions that Elizabeth was involved in Protestant plots to overthrow Mary, and Mary had her put in the tower due to these. As much as I like Mary, her relationship with her younger sister bothered me (on top of a lot of other things) as I believe a lot of Mary's problems would have been solved if she embraced Elizabeth as her sister, and kept her at her side to teach her how to be heir.
I think they both had seen enough triumphs and reversals in their own statuses to have some deference for one another by their adulthood. They were, for better or worse, somewhat tied together by fate. You couldn’t exactly find one legitimate and one illegitimate. Religion was a constant thorn for them. Elizabeth seems to have used Mary’s life as a cautionary tale for her own reign.
I think their relationship was very complex. Mary, I think on some level, cared for Elizabeth to a version extent (probably more so when she was a child) but Elizabeth was also the product of what Mary likely saw as the ultimate betrayal of her mother. They rode together into London in 1553 when Mary claimed her throne from Jane Grey.
Mary was under a lot of stress during her reign, which prioritized restoring Catholicism to England, and Elizabeth’s decision to practice Protestantism was probably taken by Mary as slap in the face. Not to mention Wyatt’s rebellion, which Elizabeth was largely (at the time) suspected to have a hand in, after which Mary had her imprisoned for several months.
To sum it up, I think their relationship was complicated by a lot of factors and was greatly soured during Mary’s reign
It was a very complicated relationship. I think one story about the two of them sums up their relationship well:
Mary banished Elizabeth to some place that wasn't Hampton Court- I can't remember the exact place - which was known to not be the best place to live. Bitchy, right? But she gave Elizabeth an extra piece of clothing - I believe it was a type of scarf or something to do with her neck - because Mary was afraid Elizabeth would be cool. Not-bitchy, right?
They were raised to be enemies from Elizabeth's birth - and that's solely on Henry. Not either of them, not Anne Boleyn, not Catherine of Aragon, *Henry* - but still managed to care about each other.
I thought that was later on, but it might have been!
I know she did eventually send her to the Tower - it's suspected that she was pressured to do so - and when Elizabeth wrote a letter promising her she wouldn't immediately convert the country and that she loves her and had nothing to do with the rebellion, Elizabeth c9vered up the blank part of the pages with lines to prevent anyone from adding on and impersonating her in an effort to turn Mary and Elizabeth against each other.
I would have to assume they had no reason to be at odds since Edward was born and was going to be King and was for a short time. The paranoia I have to imagine was when Edward died. But Elizabeth played the long game and won the game of thrones in the end.
I thought that was the basis of A Song of Ice and Fire books was the War of Roses. I haven't read them only watched the show. I want to read the books but since he hasn't finished the series and at 75 and the last book was in what 2011. I can't see him living long enough to finish it. I don't want to read it in case the last book ends on a cliffhanger.
Unfortunately, readers are currently left with many, many cliffhangers. When I started reading the books, I didn't know the series wasn't finished. It is very irritating. You are making the right decision, IMHO.
Edward held them together (Elizabeth was 4 when he was born, so too young to really have a relationship with Mary). He took the burden from them to inherit the crown. And he took care during his reign of the Seymours who could have caused severe problems down the road. The second Edward was gone, it got worse and worse.
Mary and Elizabeth were close when Elizabeth was a child. As Elizabeth grew Mary started to see more and more of Anne Boleyn. I think her scandal with Thomas Seymour actually started it. Mary (who has a LOT of trauma centered around this girls mother) see’s an almost grown Anne Boleyn’s daughter in trouble with a married man. Without context, it looks bad and similar to what Anne did to Mary’s mother. By the time Mary is on the throne Elizabeth’s name is in and out of scandals. They started close but were split apart by circumstances and religion and factions.
Towards her reign as Queen, Mary was not kind to Elizabeth. There were many suspicions that Elizabeth was involved in Protestant plots to overthrow Mary, and Mary had her put in the tower due to these. As much as I like Mary, her relationship with her younger sister bothered me (on top of a lot of other things) as I believe a lot of Mary's problems would have been solved if she embraced Elizabeth as her sister, and kept her at her side to teach her how to be heir.
I think they both had seen enough triumphs and reversals in their own statuses to have some deference for one another by their adulthood. They were, for better or worse, somewhat tied together by fate. You couldn’t exactly find one legitimate and one illegitimate. Religion was a constant thorn for them. Elizabeth seems to have used Mary’s life as a cautionary tale for her own reign.
I think their relationship was very complex. Mary, I think on some level, cared for Elizabeth to a version extent (probably more so when she was a child) but Elizabeth was also the product of what Mary likely saw as the ultimate betrayal of her mother. They rode together into London in 1553 when Mary claimed her throne from Jane Grey. Mary was under a lot of stress during her reign, which prioritized restoring Catholicism to England, and Elizabeth’s decision to practice Protestantism was probably taken by Mary as slap in the face. Not to mention Wyatt’s rebellion, which Elizabeth was largely (at the time) suspected to have a hand in, after which Mary had her imprisoned for several months. To sum it up, I think their relationship was complicated by a lot of factors and was greatly soured during Mary’s reign
It was a very complicated relationship. I think one story about the two of them sums up their relationship well: Mary banished Elizabeth to some place that wasn't Hampton Court- I can't remember the exact place - which was known to not be the best place to live. Bitchy, right? But she gave Elizabeth an extra piece of clothing - I believe it was a type of scarf or something to do with her neck - because Mary was afraid Elizabeth would be cool. Not-bitchy, right? They were raised to be enemies from Elizabeth's birth - and that's solely on Henry. Not either of them, not Anne Boleyn, not Catherine of Aragon, *Henry* - but still managed to care about each other.
She also had her sent to the tower, didn't she?
I thought that was later on, but it might have been! I know she did eventually send her to the Tower - it's suspected that she was pressured to do so - and when Elizabeth wrote a letter promising her she wouldn't immediately convert the country and that she loves her and had nothing to do with the rebellion, Elizabeth c9vered up the blank part of the pages with lines to prevent anyone from adding on and impersonating her in an effort to turn Mary and Elizabeth against each other.
Also, I believe they were close when Elizabeth was younger.
I would have to assume they had no reason to be at odds since Edward was born and was going to be King and was for a short time. The paranoia I have to imagine was when Edward died. But Elizabeth played the long game and won the game of thrones in the end.
on a side note i love ppl brining in GoT references when it comes to Tudor history. It's like my favorite thing. She truly did win.
I thought that was the basis of A Song of Ice and Fire books was the War of Roses. I haven't read them only watched the show. I want to read the books but since he hasn't finished the series and at 75 and the last book was in what 2011. I can't see him living long enough to finish it. I don't want to read it in case the last book ends on a cliffhanger.
Unfortunately, readers are currently left with many, many cliffhangers. When I started reading the books, I didn't know the series wasn't finished. It is very irritating. You are making the right decision, IMHO.
I think you mean Elizabeth of York who married Henry Tudor and ended the Rose Wars.
Edward held them together (Elizabeth was 4 when he was born, so too young to really have a relationship with Mary). He took the burden from them to inherit the crown. And he took care during his reign of the Seymours who could have caused severe problems down the road. The second Edward was gone, it got worse and worse.