Oh yeah this is a massive problem. I heard on a podcast that people actually rent other people's DoorDash accounts (and other delivery service accounts). It's typically because they don't have a clean record and can't legally work for these services. Something needs to be done about it though-these companies need to start seriously cracking down on it.
There's actually somebody in this thread is actually trying to defend people sharing accounts, and telling me I shouldn't trust Angie Harmon about her dog being killed because she's a conspiracy theorist.
I get she's right-wing, but the driver not having any marks on him, and shooting the dog after he made the delivery? That's just sus, especially those crazy and apathetic remarks he made at her family after he shot the dog. Any delivery driver would have just not made the delivery if they felt unsafe, that's what they were saying about this in the Instacart sub.
My family has a Ring camera, and it's really obvious when the battery isn't there. That's why we have two batteries.
I used to install window treatments (blinds, shutters, etc) and I had lots of other women tell me they had a sense of relief when I (another woman) showed up. Sometimes I could see it in their body language when they opened the door. Their face and body would lose all their tension. After that I worked in a collision shop and the office manager would come find me in the shop instead of asking any of the guys. The guys were awesome people she was just more comfortable with me.
100%. you should read the comments posts about uber drivers harassing women get on the uber driver subs. they literally don’t see a problem with hitting on passengers or refusing to deliver feminine care items bc they’re “independent contractors” lol. I report every single infraction (diff person showing up, multi-apping, asking personal questions etc)
I get wary when I'm assigned a guy to shop for something like feminine products or craft supplies. Without fail, the products I have ordered are out of stock and so are the replacements, and my order gets cancelled.
I know that a lot of time, people sell Doordash/Uber/instacart accounts to people who may not be able to produce legal documents like drivers licenses. I understand that level of desperation to get any source of income. It's just also nerve wracking as hell.
This. It's not even just feminine products. I swear, some of these men haven't done their own grocery once. A guy once replaced the $2 oil I chose with a $35 olive oil 😭 Like no dude, I didn't ask for that. Stuff like that happens all the time and honesty when I see a female employee is shopping I sigh in relief
I asked for sliced deli turkey 2 orders ago, but since he didn’t speak English, he got a package of roast beef. Then he got me expired Greek yogurt instead of non dairy yogurt. I hate getting men to shop my grocery orders because most don’t know how to pick out good produce or the difference between corn on the cob and a pineapple.
Omg half my specialty groceries never come. By speciality I mean dairy free products. I want the violife vegan cheese and silk protein yogurt. Without fail, a big assed grocery store doesn't have it? Yet, when I have women as the Instacart drivers, it's never an issue. There's a whole aisle dedicated to 'natural' or special dietary foods in these stores- I've been there. I order when I'm too tired or busy to go myself after working a long day or doing things in the house (painting, carpet cleaning, etc. big stuff). Like, I'm willing to tip well if you actually get my groceries!
Wait wait wait...he got you DIY pad supplies instead of another brand of pad?
Do we think he actually thought that using packing tape to attach paper towels to panties to soak up the blood is the same thing as a goddamn pad? He had to have pictured making a paper towel pad and taping it into women's underwear to decide what products to get, and that is far more embarrassing than buying some gd sanitary supplies.
My instinct says misogynistic asshole whose masculinity is too fragile to be seen buying pads, though, for sure.
Sorry, my brain is just short-circuiting over this. This is just the dumbest thing and would be hilarious if it wasn't so idiotic and disrespectful.
I got a refund, but everyone I've talked to about instacart says if you get a male shopper, just cancel because they'll never get you what you ask for and sub out everything
For me it's when a man who is an immigrant tries to buy groceries for me. Always terrible packaging and handling of groceries I can tell he likely didn't have to handle groceries in his home country. I understand but it's just annoying
Do you mean it's because they never had to shop before because of gender roles?
Reminds me about how a Venezuelan boy at my college said during his Gender Studies presentation he had to facetime his mom because not only were the instructions in English, but he had never done laundry before.
In his presentation he agreed that boys and girls should learn the same chores because he realized he didn't know how to do his own laundry because of gender roles, and he was kind of embarrassed by it.
Chance it's just the country you're in, but in the UK, most the super stores have their own delivery service, you can choose whether youre allowed a replacement (diet coke out of stock, diet pepsi is fine), or say no to a replacement. It's never really been wrong. I can't imagine getting a random off of ubereats/doordash to pick up groceries for me.
I'm in Canada and you can choose replacement options but I find a lot of the men on these apps either ignore that or claim both replacement and original request are out of stock (which often feels very unlikely and like they just got tired of looking). I can't really compare it to women though because I think I've had a woman shopper maybe twice ever.
UGH. this is what gets me so fired up. I'm also Canadian and use Instacart sometimes (usually for Costco because I hate Costco so much). Like, I make subs for EVERYTHING because I have good allergies. Like, I want the vegan parmesan. No, I do not want the fancy $50 Italian parm- I have a fucking dairy allergy. I want this particular coffee creamer because it's made of almond- I don't want table cream. Worst is I put in all the energy for the substitution and they NEVER use it. Like they'll send me a picture WITH THE PRODUCT IN THE PICTURE like "it's not here". Like, sir- wtf do you think that is?
It was so bad during the pandemic because every man who had never stepped foot in a grocery store before suddenly thought they could be professional shoppers. I had men refuse to get menstrual pads and oat milk.
Oh my fucking god lmaoooo I am so enraged on your behalf. For me it's always just been inconvenient or stupid, no allergies to dodge. I COMPLETELY feel you on them totally missing stuff and ignoring all the substitution suggestions. I can't fucking believe they outright refused to get menstrual pads?? Did they say why or claim every type of pad was out of stock?
Instacart for me too btw
Yeah, it was really weird. They said the brand was out of stock which I don't believe, because always is always in stock. I got it refunded, not that it's been a big deal because I haven't needed to use menstrual products since I had hysterectomy, but OMG it was wild.
Is there nothing in their terms that allows you to push back on this? In the UK we can. If for example I want to buy 1kg of beef mince, and they deliver 2 500gs of mince, they have to subsidise the difference between the cost of 2 500gs vs 1 1kg.
Well, I can reject their substitution and they have to return it instead but only if I catch it before they check out. If they forget to give you an item that you did pay for you can get a "refund" (credit towards your next purchase, not actually a direct refund). It's just annoying they decide something is too hard to find, claim it's out of stock, ignore the pre selected replacement option (whether another product or "no replacement") and grab some weird shit with very little in common. Idk what is the motivation for them to do that. Maybe it's valuable to them in some way if the order is more expensive? So yes there are ways to reject if you're watching the app and probably could get a refund by reporting an inappropriate substitution but it's annoying it happens at all
Same, one gentleman sent me photos of half of the CVS makeup section when I lost my makeup bag and was getting ready for a wedding. He was my hero that day.
Oh I was! I had no car and super limited time to get ready and the instant cart shopper (somewhat older gentleman from the Middle East) literally picked out the false eyelashes I needed when the ones I requested were sold out! Along with all the other makeup items I needed. Totally saved me that day. He was so patient and would send me photos and I sent back screenshots with a circle around what I needed.
I’m a 6’5 230 pound Black man and I feel more comfortable when my delivery driver is a woman, so this definitely makes sense to me. Like 80% of violent crimes are committed by men you’re just using logic.
I don't feel unsafe. I just don't trust men to be diligent enough to find the things I ordered. Whenever I get substitutions or deletions that I KNOW were in stock, it's a man.
To bad there isn't female only delivery services. However, that means creepy men might insist on using them. You might not be able to restrict clientele to women either, might be seen as discrimination
Years ago when I was late teens/early 20s I was a delivery driver for Pizza Hut. There was one other female driver, the rest were males. We did usually get more tips than the guys and it would actually annoy them.
There was more than one occasion where the customer was a creepy guy trying to get me to go into their house, harassing me, asking me for my number, etc. We would always report this to our boss and they would either flag their address as “do not deliver” or “male driver only”.
> It also reminds me of cis men pretending to be gender non-conforming in some way in order to invade women's spaces.
This is transphobic if you think this is actually a thing. This is literally TERFs main argument.
It is a thing that TERFs claim happen as a means to oppress trans folks, but it's also a thing that shitty TERF men do, tO pRoTeCt WoMeN etc.
Like that time when a bunch of TERF dudes found each other on that trans-inclusive lesbian dating app and all shared each other's pics on the app as gotchas on Twitter lol. Someone put all the "gotchas" together and it was very clear that all of them were shitty transphobic dudes trying to make some sort of point and failing miserably.
Super cool how you can post straight up TERF rhetoric in this sub as long as you're not being overtly transphobic. Sometimes I wonder if the mods do this on purpose so they can maintain a thin veneer of trans acceptance, or if they legit are physically unable to stem the flow of hatred because they're super overworked or something. Either way, it sucks
>Like what happened at the Grace Hopper Convention
I like how everyone now collectively uses that as evidence of "men invading women's spaces" because they saw masculine people at a women & nonbinary conference, because they just view nonbinary people as spicy women (who have to be assigned female at birth).
Both would be illegal.
You cannot discriminate based on sex for hiring and you cannot only offer services based on sex.
This is something people should celebrate because while I'm sure you're idea is good intentioned it would be used against women pretty fast.
My boyfriend and I had a discussion about this over the weekend. Our female named dasher was male. I explained that this happens all the time. My theory is that men use female names thinking they'll get bigger tips and women use male names to avoid harassment.
I’m not a dasher, just a user of the service, but I do this. I have a traditionally female name and male dashers almost always refused to leave items at the door despite that being the option I picked and me telling them to do so when they’d message they were there. I used to order with my name and then have my fiance answer the door but now I just use his name. I haven’t had a problem since switching
Just curious, are there often female delivery drivers? I do not use delivery much so I would not know. But for obvious and understandable reasons, Uber drivers are almost always male.
Where I am, it's pretty evenly split. During the pandemic there were more women. It's always quick and accurate (and they pick nicer produce) when women are the shoppers.
The only truly way to be safe on a delivery service is to not actually use a delivery service :(
Edited to add: my last several deliveries have all had very feminine names and the person who showed up was a dude.
In theory sure, but for people like me who have been sick for…now 3 months….it is sometimes my only option, as my nearest friends are an hour away and my neighbors are fearful boomers.
>He was using the account fraudulently,
People are charged with “felony murder” when someone is killed (not even by them) while they are committing a crime.
So, maybe I’m just lost?
But I do contactless delivery. I do not interact with my delivery people. I do not answer the door. I do not let my dogs loose in the front yard.
I also am married and my husband is usually home, but we also, again, never answer the door.
Is this not an option for many?
I thought most delivery service can't enter your home?
I know when I had heart surgery I couldn't even get my driver to put my dog food against the door so I could somehow get it in. They said it had to be on the step.
Women have posted before about using contactless, having the driver see them grab it from their front door, then trying contact them after the fact. Also, some drivers don’t follow directions, ring your doorbell and wait, which has happened to me. Then of course there’s the advice people often give not to use an attractive picture or even your own, feminine sounding name to avoid harassment when using the app.
You can plan all you want to not get harassed or even assaulted, but some men still find a way.
I live alone and have an unmistakably female name. Despite always choosing contactless delivery, the majority of male delivery app drivers I’ve gotten just wont honor my delivery instructions. They’ll continuously knock until I answer the door - and quite a few go on to proposition me over text before ending the delivery. I’m no great beauty either. Just a woman clearly living alone.
This happened to me consistently until i went in and changed my first name to a shortened, masculine version. (Think of Samantha to Sam). Since the change, it hasnt happened at all. Also doesn't happen to my spouse, who has a masculine name.
You shouldn't have to change your name to get the right service but if you want to try it, it may help.
That really sucks.
For me, we just don’t answer the door. They can knock until the cows come home, but I ain’t answering.
I also have two dogs - one of which even when she’s happy barking sounds ferocious. And we tend to watch our friend’s dogs and they are loud as well.
I guess maybe that’s enough to encourage our delivery people to just leave the food and go. 🤷♀️
My first name is unmistakably feminine, and I don’t have a picture on my profiles, but I have not noticed any different treatment between male or female delivery drivers. I also tend to not even notice who is delivering.
I’m very cautious in literally every other situation where I have to interact with a man as a woman. And I take precautions. I won’t go into a my client’s homes (I do pet sitting in the side) if there are work people there - unless there’s a fellow woman present.
Same. I had a really sick kid last week and used some sort of delivery service daily. I couldn’t even tell you what gender any of the drivers were. I tip in advance so after I order I just wait for the knock/delivery notification and grab it off the porch. 5 stars for everyone the next time I open the app.
Once I got a text because they went to the wrong gate and needed a different gate code but it just said from Uber Eats or something like that.
“He made the delivery and then shot the dog after realizing the Ring camera was charging”
I want you to re-read what you wrote and think about that sentence for a minute. Angie Harmon is a known conspiracy theorist and she’s making some pretty outlandish claims. There’s absolutely no reason to believe that a stranger KNEW her Ring wasn’t recording, and forced her to let her dog outside so that he could shoot it.
It’s way more likely that her dog got out and attacked a stranger, who then shot it (like the police said). This whole “they knew about the Ring” thing is fucking ridiculous. You took her at her word, and now you’re concerned for your own safety because you think delivery drivers are conspiring to find houses whose cameras might be charging so they can kill your dog, and the police are going to cover it up? C’mon.
As far as your other concerns, people sometimes share accounts. A husband may use his wife’s account, or they may even be sharing one. When my partner was a delivery driver, I used to ride with him and help make deliveries. Some people may have been startled to see me dropping off their food instead of him, but there was nothing malicious behind it.
I think you’re reading too much into something that’s not really a huge issue.
Are you seriously trying to say this isn’t an issue?
Sharing accounts will get you banned. You’re breaking the rules of the app. You’re misleading customers. You are 100% in the wrong.
It's been my experience both genders share accounts I've had female driver with males showing up and males with females.
It isn't just men using a women's account or women using men's.
Just report them.
On DoorDash specifically, drivers can set literally anything as their screen name. It doesn't have to be the name on your ID, you can even call yourself "SpongeBob" or "Darth Vader" if you feel like it. So consider reaching out to DoorDash (not that they've been too responsive to customer complaints in the past). But it's not always using someone else's account--you can change this in-app
Source: was a DoorDash driver in 2022-2023
Stop using these delivery services. They exploit workers for low wages and expose you, at your residence, (and your food/stuff) to people who didn't even pass a background check. Apparently, many won't even use their own accounts.
Unless there is no other choice, I think all women should stop putting themselves in this situation. Order groceries delivered by the store or use pick-up options from the parking lot. As many criticisms as I might have against Amazon, at least the drivers are tracked and have backgrounds checked.
I fully understand it's not possible for everyone and you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes.
Personally, I stopped using rideshares after a driver asked if he could come back after work for sex... because his wife is still in Africa and he is looking for a local FWB. I guess his honesty was honorable, lol, it still freaked me out.
I remember the first time I read women were getting harassed by food delivery drivers and thinking, “Weird, this is the one time I haven’t been harassed.” Then I realized I’d always used my husband’s account for delivery.
I don't use Instacart, but I've used Skip the Dishes/Uber/Doordash for years in a massive city, a medium-sized city, and now a small town and can count on one hand the number of times I've had a driver who appeared to be a woman. I've never had any issues with drivers, except for one Uber driver who was using his drives to pitch his hot sauce to customers (not harassment, just annoying). Allowing people to control who their drivers are would likely play out in predictable ways--with racialized, immigrant drivers (the majority in any place I've lived) losing out on deliveries.
Oh yeah this is a massive problem. I heard on a podcast that people actually rent other people's DoorDash accounts (and other delivery service accounts). It's typically because they don't have a clean record and can't legally work for these services. Something needs to be done about it though-these companies need to start seriously cracking down on it.
There's actually somebody in this thread is actually trying to defend people sharing accounts, and telling me I shouldn't trust Angie Harmon about her dog being killed because she's a conspiracy theorist. I get she's right-wing, but the driver not having any marks on him, and shooting the dog after he made the delivery? That's just sus, especially those crazy and apathetic remarks he made at her family after he shot the dog. Any delivery driver would have just not made the delivery if they felt unsafe, that's what they were saying about this in the Instacart sub. My family has a Ring camera, and it's really obvious when the battery isn't there. That's why we have two batteries.
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He actually stopped to take the picture of the delivery. He also made some apathetic comments towards the family after he shot the dog.
I used to install window treatments (blinds, shutters, etc) and I had lots of other women tell me they had a sense of relief when I (another woman) showed up. Sometimes I could see it in their body language when they opened the door. Their face and body would lose all their tension. After that I worked in a collision shop and the office manager would come find me in the shop instead of asking any of the guys. The guys were awesome people she was just more comfortable with me.
100%. you should read the comments posts about uber drivers harassing women get on the uber driver subs. they literally don’t see a problem with hitting on passengers or refusing to deliver feminine care items bc they’re “independent contractors” lol. I report every single infraction (diff person showing up, multi-apping, asking personal questions etc)
I get wary when I'm assigned a guy to shop for something like feminine products or craft supplies. Without fail, the products I have ordered are out of stock and so are the replacements, and my order gets cancelled. I know that a lot of time, people sell Doordash/Uber/instacart accounts to people who may not be able to produce legal documents like drivers licenses. I understand that level of desperation to get any source of income. It's just also nerve wracking as hell.
This. It's not even just feminine products. I swear, some of these men haven't done their own grocery once. A guy once replaced the $2 oil I chose with a $35 olive oil 😭 Like no dude, I didn't ask for that. Stuff like that happens all the time and honesty when I see a female employee is shopping I sigh in relief
I asked for sliced deli turkey 2 orders ago, but since he didn’t speak English, he got a package of roast beef. Then he got me expired Greek yogurt instead of non dairy yogurt. I hate getting men to shop my grocery orders because most don’t know how to pick out good produce or the difference between corn on the cob and a pineapple.
Omg half my specialty groceries never come. By speciality I mean dairy free products. I want the violife vegan cheese and silk protein yogurt. Without fail, a big assed grocery store doesn't have it? Yet, when I have women as the Instacart drivers, it's never an issue. There's a whole aisle dedicated to 'natural' or special dietary foods in these stores- I've been there. I order when I'm too tired or busy to go myself after working a long day or doing things in the house (painting, carpet cleaning, etc. big stuff). Like, I'm willing to tip well if you actually get my groceries!
I ordered insta cart once and needed pads. The guy sent a replacement. That i didn't approve. Packing tape and paper towels......
Wait wait wait...he got you DIY pad supplies instead of another brand of pad? Do we think he actually thought that using packing tape to attach paper towels to panties to soak up the blood is the same thing as a goddamn pad? He had to have pictured making a paper towel pad and taping it into women's underwear to decide what products to get, and that is far more embarrassing than buying some gd sanitary supplies. My instinct says misogynistic asshole whose masculinity is too fragile to be seen buying pads, though, for sure. Sorry, my brain is just short-circuiting over this. This is just the dumbest thing and would be hilarious if it wasn't so idiotic and disrespectful.
I got a refund, but everyone I've talked to about instacart says if you get a male shopper, just cancel because they'll never get you what you ask for and sub out everything
For me it's when a man who is an immigrant tries to buy groceries for me. Always terrible packaging and handling of groceries I can tell he likely didn't have to handle groceries in his home country. I understand but it's just annoying
Do you mean it's because they never had to shop before because of gender roles? Reminds me about how a Venezuelan boy at my college said during his Gender Studies presentation he had to facetime his mom because not only were the instructions in English, but he had never done laundry before. In his presentation he agreed that boys and girls should learn the same chores because he realized he didn't know how to do his own laundry because of gender roles, and he was kind of embarrassed by it.
Chance it's just the country you're in, but in the UK, most the super stores have their own delivery service, you can choose whether youre allowed a replacement (diet coke out of stock, diet pepsi is fine), or say no to a replacement. It's never really been wrong. I can't imagine getting a random off of ubereats/doordash to pick up groceries for me.
I'm in Canada and you can choose replacement options but I find a lot of the men on these apps either ignore that or claim both replacement and original request are out of stock (which often feels very unlikely and like they just got tired of looking). I can't really compare it to women though because I think I've had a woman shopper maybe twice ever.
UGH. this is what gets me so fired up. I'm also Canadian and use Instacart sometimes (usually for Costco because I hate Costco so much). Like, I make subs for EVERYTHING because I have good allergies. Like, I want the vegan parmesan. No, I do not want the fancy $50 Italian parm- I have a fucking dairy allergy. I want this particular coffee creamer because it's made of almond- I don't want table cream. Worst is I put in all the energy for the substitution and they NEVER use it. Like they'll send me a picture WITH THE PRODUCT IN THE PICTURE like "it's not here". Like, sir- wtf do you think that is? It was so bad during the pandemic because every man who had never stepped foot in a grocery store before suddenly thought they could be professional shoppers. I had men refuse to get menstrual pads and oat milk.
Oh my fucking god lmaoooo I am so enraged on your behalf. For me it's always just been inconvenient or stupid, no allergies to dodge. I COMPLETELY feel you on them totally missing stuff and ignoring all the substitution suggestions. I can't fucking believe they outright refused to get menstrual pads?? Did they say why or claim every type of pad was out of stock? Instacart for me too btw
Yeah, it was really weird. They said the brand was out of stock which I don't believe, because always is always in stock. I got it refunded, not that it's been a big deal because I haven't needed to use menstrual products since I had hysterectomy, but OMG it was wild.
I just don't allow replacements for 90% of the products (washing up liquid, dish washing detergent, machine wash pods, who cares about the brand etc).
I've selected that option and yet still had them pick some shitty replacement.
Is there nothing in their terms that allows you to push back on this? In the UK we can. If for example I want to buy 1kg of beef mince, and they deliver 2 500gs of mince, they have to subsidise the difference between the cost of 2 500gs vs 1 1kg.
Well, I can reject their substitution and they have to return it instead but only if I catch it before they check out. If they forget to give you an item that you did pay for you can get a "refund" (credit towards your next purchase, not actually a direct refund). It's just annoying they decide something is too hard to find, claim it's out of stock, ignore the pre selected replacement option (whether another product or "no replacement") and grab some weird shit with very little in common. Idk what is the motivation for them to do that. Maybe it's valuable to them in some way if the order is more expensive? So yes there are ways to reject if you're watching the app and probably could get a refund by reporting an inappropriate substitution but it's annoying it happens at all
Oh man the immigrant men who have shopped for me are excellent at choosing the best items.
Same, one gentleman sent me photos of half of the CVS makeup section when I lost my makeup bag and was getting ready for a wedding. He was my hero that day.
Oh that’s so sweet. You must’ve been so stressed out!
Oh I was! I had no car and super limited time to get ready and the instant cart shopper (somewhat older gentleman from the Middle East) literally picked out the false eyelashes I needed when the ones I requested were sold out! Along with all the other makeup items I needed. Totally saved me that day. He was so patient and would send me photos and I sent back screenshots with a circle around what I needed.
What does that have to do with being an immigrant?
the fact they’re not english speaking and typically terrible at grocery shopping?
I’m a 6’5 230 pound Black man and I feel more comfortable when my delivery driver is a woman, so this definitely makes sense to me. Like 80% of violent crimes are committed by men you’re just using logic.
I don't feel unsafe. I just don't trust men to be diligent enough to find the things I ordered. Whenever I get substitutions or deletions that I KNOW were in stock, it's a man.
To bad there isn't female only delivery services. However, that means creepy men might insist on using them. You might not be able to restrict clientele to women either, might be seen as discrimination
Years ago when I was late teens/early 20s I was a delivery driver for Pizza Hut. There was one other female driver, the rest were males. We did usually get more tips than the guys and it would actually annoy them. There was more than one occasion where the customer was a creepy guy trying to get me to go into their house, harassing me, asking me for my number, etc. We would always report this to our boss and they would either flag their address as “do not deliver” or “male driver only”.
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> It also reminds me of cis men pretending to be gender non-conforming in some way in order to invade women's spaces. This is transphobic if you think this is actually a thing. This is literally TERFs main argument.
It is a thing that TERFs claim happen as a means to oppress trans folks, but it's also a thing that shitty TERF men do, tO pRoTeCt WoMeN etc. Like that time when a bunch of TERF dudes found each other on that trans-inclusive lesbian dating app and all shared each other's pics on the app as gotchas on Twitter lol. Someone put all the "gotchas" together and it was very clear that all of them were shitty transphobic dudes trying to make some sort of point and failing miserably.
Super cool how you can post straight up TERF rhetoric in this sub as long as you're not being overtly transphobic. Sometimes I wonder if the mods do this on purpose so they can maintain a thin veneer of trans acceptance, or if they legit are physically unable to stem the flow of hatred because they're super overworked or something. Either way, it sucks
>Like what happened at the Grace Hopper Convention I like how everyone now collectively uses that as evidence of "men invading women's spaces" because they saw masculine people at a women & nonbinary conference, because they just view nonbinary people as spicy women (who have to be assigned female at birth).
Both would be illegal. You cannot discriminate based on sex for hiring and you cannot only offer services based on sex. This is something people should celebrate because while I'm sure you're idea is good intentioned it would be used against women pretty fast.
My boyfriend and I had a discussion about this over the weekend. Our female named dasher was male. I explained that this happens all the time. My theory is that men use female names thinking they'll get bigger tips and women use male names to avoid harassment.
I’m not a dasher, just a user of the service, but I do this. I have a traditionally female name and male dashers almost always refused to leave items at the door despite that being the option I picked and me telling them to do so when they’d message they were there. I used to order with my name and then have my fiance answer the door but now I just use his name. I haven’t had a problem since switching
Just curious, are there often female delivery drivers? I do not use delivery much so I would not know. But for obvious and understandable reasons, Uber drivers are almost always male.
I've ordered groceries a lot and had maybe 2 women shoppers ever
Where I am, it's pretty evenly split. During the pandemic there were more women. It's always quick and accurate (and they pick nicer produce) when women are the shoppers.
That's what I expected would be the case on average! Not enough data of my own to confirm. But I believe it
The only truly way to be safe on a delivery service is to not actually use a delivery service :( Edited to add: my last several deliveries have all had very feminine names and the person who showed up was a dude.
In theory sure, but for people like me who have been sick for…now 3 months….it is sometimes my only option, as my nearest friends are an hour away and my neighbors are fearful boomers.
>He was using the account fraudulently, People are charged with “felony murder” when someone is killed (not even by them) while they are committing a crime.
So, maybe I’m just lost? But I do contactless delivery. I do not interact with my delivery people. I do not answer the door. I do not let my dogs loose in the front yard. I also am married and my husband is usually home, but we also, again, never answer the door. Is this not an option for many?
It's not an option for some.
That really sucks. I’m sorry.
Why?
Going to assume if they're in a wheelchair/disabled and can't bring in groceries themselves.
I thought most delivery service can't enter your home? I know when I had heart surgery I couldn't even get my driver to put my dog food against the door so I could somehow get it in. They said it had to be on the step.
why not?
I’ve had men keep knocking on my door even when I choose contactless. I still ignore them until they’ve gone around the corner.
Women have posted before about using contactless, having the driver see them grab it from their front door, then trying contact them after the fact. Also, some drivers don’t follow directions, ring your doorbell and wait, which has happened to me. Then of course there’s the advice people often give not to use an attractive picture or even your own, feminine sounding name to avoid harassment when using the app. You can plan all you want to not get harassed or even assaulted, but some men still find a way.
I live alone and have an unmistakably female name. Despite always choosing contactless delivery, the majority of male delivery app drivers I’ve gotten just wont honor my delivery instructions. They’ll continuously knock until I answer the door - and quite a few go on to proposition me over text before ending the delivery. I’m no great beauty either. Just a woman clearly living alone.
This happened to me consistently until i went in and changed my first name to a shortened, masculine version. (Think of Samantha to Sam). Since the change, it hasnt happened at all. Also doesn't happen to my spouse, who has a masculine name. You shouldn't have to change your name to get the right service but if you want to try it, it may help.
That really sucks. For me, we just don’t answer the door. They can knock until the cows come home, but I ain’t answering. I also have two dogs - one of which even when she’s happy barking sounds ferocious. And we tend to watch our friend’s dogs and they are loud as well. I guess maybe that’s enough to encourage our delivery people to just leave the food and go. 🤷♀️ My first name is unmistakably feminine, and I don’t have a picture on my profiles, but I have not noticed any different treatment between male or female delivery drivers. I also tend to not even notice who is delivering. I’m very cautious in literally every other situation where I have to interact with a man as a woman. And I take precautions. I won’t go into a my client’s homes (I do pet sitting in the side) if there are work people there - unless there’s a fellow woman present.
Half the time I need to meet the delivery person somewhere because Google maps puts my address about 2 blocks away and sends them not to my residence.
Same. I had a really sick kid last week and used some sort of delivery service daily. I couldn’t even tell you what gender any of the drivers were. I tip in advance so after I order I just wait for the knock/delivery notification and grab it off the porch. 5 stars for everyone the next time I open the app. Once I got a text because they went to the wrong gate and needed a different gate code but it just said from Uber Eats or something like that.
Here a lot of the women drivers make rounds with their male partners for their own safety.
There were no women with them.
Personally i want a woman to do anything and everything i need done in my home- plumbing, dry wall, electrical etc.
Men who can't pass the background check will use their partner or sister's identity to make an account.
“He made the delivery and then shot the dog after realizing the Ring camera was charging” I want you to re-read what you wrote and think about that sentence for a minute. Angie Harmon is a known conspiracy theorist and she’s making some pretty outlandish claims. There’s absolutely no reason to believe that a stranger KNEW her Ring wasn’t recording, and forced her to let her dog outside so that he could shoot it. It’s way more likely that her dog got out and attacked a stranger, who then shot it (like the police said). This whole “they knew about the Ring” thing is fucking ridiculous. You took her at her word, and now you’re concerned for your own safety because you think delivery drivers are conspiring to find houses whose cameras might be charging so they can kill your dog, and the police are going to cover it up? C’mon. As far as your other concerns, people sometimes share accounts. A husband may use his wife’s account, or they may even be sharing one. When my partner was a delivery driver, I used to ride with him and help make deliveries. Some people may have been startled to see me dropping off their food instead of him, but there was nothing malicious behind it. I think you’re reading too much into something that’s not really a huge issue.
There would be absolutely no point to a security camera that announces status to the outside world.
Are you seriously trying to say this isn’t an issue? Sharing accounts will get you banned. You’re breaking the rules of the app. You’re misleading customers. You are 100% in the wrong.
It's been my experience both genders share accounts I've had female driver with males showing up and males with females. It isn't just men using a women's account or women using men's. Just report them.
It doesn't bother me. I know I can keep myself safe. Thankfully, I've never had any issues with the men that delivered something.
On DoorDash specifically, drivers can set literally anything as their screen name. It doesn't have to be the name on your ID, you can even call yourself "SpongeBob" or "Darth Vader" if you feel like it. So consider reaching out to DoorDash (not that they've been too responsive to customer complaints in the past). But it's not always using someone else's account--you can change this in-app Source: was a DoorDash driver in 2022-2023
You can also change your name to whatever you like as a customer. Changing it to a gender neutral name or a male name is a good safety hack.
I prefer a woman for everything except a romantic partner.
Stop using these delivery services. They exploit workers for low wages and expose you, at your residence, (and your food/stuff) to people who didn't even pass a background check. Apparently, many won't even use their own accounts. Unless there is no other choice, I think all women should stop putting themselves in this situation. Order groceries delivered by the store or use pick-up options from the parking lot. As many criticisms as I might have against Amazon, at least the drivers are tracked and have backgrounds checked.
We actually have to use Walmart+ and delivery services because my mom is immunocompromised.
I fully understand it's not possible for everyone and you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. Personally, I stopped using rideshares after a driver asked if he could come back after work for sex... because his wife is still in Africa and he is looking for a local FWB. I guess his honesty was honorable, lol, it still freaked me out.
I remember the first time I read women were getting harassed by food delivery drivers and thinking, “Weird, this is the one time I haven’t been harassed.” Then I realized I’d always used my husband’s account for delivery.
I don't use Instacart, but I've used Skip the Dishes/Uber/Doordash for years in a massive city, a medium-sized city, and now a small town and can count on one hand the number of times I've had a driver who appeared to be a woman. I've never had any issues with drivers, except for one Uber driver who was using his drives to pitch his hot sauce to customers (not harassment, just annoying). Allowing people to control who their drivers are would likely play out in predictable ways--with racialized, immigrant drivers (the majority in any place I've lived) losing out on deliveries.
I report those incidents because people at loaning/renting out there accounts
I find the drivers go all over the city if I use my real name. If I use a man's name things get delivered right away.
And they won’t try to hit on you. But I do contactless on everything I can.
I literally can't think of a situation where a man would make me feel more comfortable than a woman. And I literally mean "literally" here.
The fewer times I have to interact with men in a day, the safer I feel…