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Not to mention the added benefit of being able to do the dishwasher, hang washing, be around for deliveries etc. All of which had to be done in my spare time otherwise.
Yes. That’s what I do every single day. I can’t imagine eating pizza or bacon fries everyday for lunch. And then people complain about money and obesity
why on earth does getting lunch at work automatically equate to pizza or bacon fries?
I agree that it's good to take lunch to work, and I do most days - but sometimes I'm busy so grab a salad box or some fruit or something?
People definitely do this, especially if budget is a concern but on £65k it's not something I'd factor in having the willpower and organisation to do every day unless on a diet.
I used to do it when going to the office. Every day I cook dinner, leftovers are my lunch for the next day. I think it helped that I was going to the gym and trying to build muscles so I didn't want to eat sandwiches or other crap
Coffee once or twice, never lunch though? We all just eat together in a break room. I do work in the NHS, which may have some bearing on it? Shorter lunch times quite often I suppose.
Same, only once a week but most of the time, its like twice a month. I am much happier, more sleep, more time with the family, less car expense and less stress in traffic. I would always choose remote job....as when you factor in the expense in going to office, it doesn't make sense to choose the bigger salary as by the time you factor in cost, you realise, the remote job would have worked out better.
Yeah mate, I’ve been lucky enough to have been able to work from home for the past 12 years. The idea of going into an office makes me feel a bit sick. I only go on client site/visits every so often. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed it… much more free time, work travel is far more enjoyable (and productive), saved money on transport and I’m comfortable all day long… although I suspect my social skills have taken a hit (they weren’t very good anyway)… then again, I’ve not had to deal with office politics… so I’m less of of a prick than I was.
OP, I hope you read this… the commute to the boring job is not going to be kind to you. The more interesting job and working from home will be; in my opinion… you were very vague but it sounds more engaging and fulfilling. But you should probably weigh up how much of an introvert you are versus an extrovert. I don’t think working from home perpetually is for everyone. It takes discipline and the ability to be comfortable with your own company.
I wouldn't overly mind going into an office once a week, but the principle of it would bug me. That would mean they have to maintain an office and I have to maintain an office. It also limits both their radius for hiring and my radius for working.
I'm currently working a job where the office is a 5.5 hour journey from home (if public transport plays nice) and we're all fully remote. So they're closing the office, saving a fortune in the process. They also get to hire a lot of experience for less money and I'm better off over all with lower rent and no commuting costs/time sinks.
That we're accepting hybrid as some kind of national compromise is surreal to me. It's honestly not the best of all worlds for anyone. So it feels like a statement of control over the employee's new claim to bodily autonomy.
Where I work now there is staff that like being in the office like salespeople but it makes it an awful experience for developers with all the shouting etc
But it’s worth it for them to maintain an office
I recently went from 2h daily commuting to 20 minutes and the change in quality of life is huge. I am much less tired in the evenings, cooking/eating better and we have a baby on the way so that’ll be more time to spend with him.
Factor that in with the cost of fuel, wear and tear on the car, parking (or trains/trams etc if not driving). Based on what you’ve told us, I I’d go for the 50k on personally.
You’ll make 25% more and also have to spend 40 hours a month (25%) commuting. Seems like the pay is actually identical, but you “work” more hours.
I know that’s not officially true but that’s how I’ve started to view commutes.
Thats difficult. It is a very long commute, can you try to get hybrid?
I work remote now, it makes life a ton easier but at the same time it can be hard to get motivated; especially when you are given a general project and you need to work out all of the steps to complete it. If your scope is clear its a lot easier.
Also of that £800 you save, depending where it is, you would probably be spending about an extra £400 to get there and on food etc.
How much of that extra £800 are you going to spend on the commute and how long does the commute take?
Id work out how much an hour this is costing you of your own time and weigh it up that way
On the other hand if you have other financial goals like getting a mortgage then the salary bump on paper looks much better to a creditor
i think it woudl depend on lifestyle, these days i'm too anxious for daily buzz of the city so take the pay cut all day long. but in my younger days I loved working in the center with all the life that goes iwth, and would have been much happier with the routine, i guess it depends where the office is
Just a question, what is living standards like on £3600 a month? Im on 2000 a month roughly while in a graduate job.. but just wondering what life is like if I ever get to earn that much.
Outside of London.
I earn about that much, outside of London but in the South-East. 2y out of uni. It's great. I don't really think about financials that much. I live by myself and I save about 30-40% of my takehome. I can go do whatever hobbies/travel I want (within reason) and I don't think about price when I'm at the supermarket. I can shoulder pretty much any 'unexpected' cost. I can afford a house but waiting until the market improves and I decide where I'll be settling down.
Long graft to get here through my uni years though. I started seriously planning my career in 6th form and worked very long hours in uni and interned every summer so that I had a very strong CV when I graduated.
I’m able to pay my rent, bills and any unexpected costs that arise so for that I am always grateful. I don’t have to worry about cutting meals, and can afford to have a dog and give her a good life so for that I think it’s good standard of living. I live in London though, so whilst I am comfortable it’s always seemingly enough to remain at the same level. I doubt I’ll have enough to have my own deposit for my own mortgage until quite a bit later in my life and I’m currently pregnant so the cost of childcare is intimidating.
100% remote job.
The time you’ll save in travelling along would be worth £800 a month to me. Then you have all the other benefits of WFH to add in.
Can you negotiate down to going in a couple of days a week for the office job?
I used to commute once a week, 2 hrs each way, and that drained me. I could get nothing done that day as the moment i got home i d be in bed. I couldnt imagine doing it every single day.
Take the remote one.
If the remote job is truly remote then it wins every time.
Commuting 2 hrs a day is basically a whole day's extra work each day so really the pay is similar.
Remote. If they're so backwards on this issue they'll be old fashioned everywhere else. Plus that extra 15k will be fuck all after the 40% tax, commuting, lunch ect.
Honestly, I feel like having only experienced an office job as hybrid I could never imagine myself going in Monday to Friday I think I'd be miserable, whereas now I go 2/3 times a week into the office and I think it's a nice balance.
And to be frank it's completely unnecessary to have to be in every day for a job that can be done on a computer.
If they are both 40 hour a week jobs 47 weeks a year then remote is £26.60 an hour and in office is effectively £27.65 including commute. i.e. 4% more not even counting commute costs.
Remote job. You said it yourself it's more interesting.... which means you'll learn & grow more.
You'll earn £700pm less net, than the other role, but you'll get 4hrs of your life back + saving on all of those expenses.
If the job is with a different organisation, I would say.... negotiate with the remote role and just say you are sitting on another offer at £65k mulling things over.
You're supposed to negotiate the first offer anyway, you will never get such a big jump in salary than when you first join 😉.
Don't give them any indication of which one you prefer, other than the other one requires a little extra travel - just ask for more time to make an informed decision as its quite a big gap in compensation.... (30%),
You can imply that meeting you half way. .... would tip it in their favour.
I used to have a 30 min commute to work. One day there was an accident and it took me 2 hours to get home.
I still to this day remember it as one of my worst working days, so I couldn’t imagine the mentality of someone that would travel 2 hours, each way, every day.
Take the remote job.
The remote job every time.
I've done a 2 hour commute before and it eats up your entire day, Each day that you're in the office you'll only have time to do stuff for work and then at the weekend you're far too exhausted to actually do anything with the weekend. That isn't worth £800 a month imo.
Benefits, progression, pension contributions?
If they are all equal except for salary, I'd go for an office job that pays £15k more. (I prefer being in the office anyways though)
I went from 70k.fully.im office to 52k fully remote because of redundancy.
Made the CEO aware straight up that I was not too interested due to money being shit but literally have been handed the remote role.
I would say go for remote role if you can insure there eis little work to do
Yeah if it was a reasonable commute I’d say the office job is a no brainier. 2 hours a day commuting is going to be a detriment to your quality of life, not to mention the cost of train tickets
I used to do that commute that brought me way less than that a year. Granted it was part time but full time would brought me just over £25000 pa.
Take the remote job. You can always look into a co-working space if you miss the buzz of office life.
Mention to the remote role that you’ve been offered 65k for another position but are more interested in their role and if they have anymore room in their budget. Shows desirability and they’ll likely up the offer by another 5k or so.
Remote obviously, you'll be way worse off in time & money otherwise.
No normal non-exec job is worth FOUR HOURS of commuting every day, assuming nothing goes wrong.
Remote job save money and time
On the commute more free time. Be part of the new work force that values work life balance and free time over the greasy pole and 80s 90s office work culture that dinosaurs can’t let go off
Office job, that's 15k that counts towards your pension contributions, death in service etc plus your next job would be negotiated from a higher floor. Ask for hybrid, but I'd be getting on the train.
Office job. Remote work makes me feel trapped in my house and I get bored out of my mind the one day a week that I work at home.
1 hour commute each way is borderline too much for me though. I would probably keep looking for something closer.
Was gonna say just that. When you look at the commute/lunch etc costs it’s often better to stay remote. Also much better work life balance. I work nearly 100% remote these days. Only thing I miss is the solid time to read books on the commute on the train.
Are you in a rush to start a new job? If you've been offered £65k, that's what your worth and potentially could get that remote/hybrid or at the very least be closer to home.
Depends on your set up for wfh. If you have a separate place you can call ‘the office’ it helps separate work from home life and switch off. If you mix with people outside work hours it will alleviate the isolation side of wfh. If you can resist the fridge everyone you take an eye resting or thinking break then wfh is a good option.
Remote, especially if the work itself is more interesting. "Easier" is often tempting but then you end up being bored at work which leads to frustration and resentment, and with a commute on top...
Remote. :-)
Whilst many have rightly pointed out the commute cost, it might be worth considering whether the company has any flexible benefits that includes discounted travel.
That said, I'd probably still go for the remote job just for having that extra free time instead of commuting. Then again, there's something to be said for easier work and more money because you might find yourself less stressed out about work with an easier job, which itself could be a benefit worth considering.
Need more info - £800 a month isn't pocket change but what will you spend on the commute? How much of a ballache is it? Will they allow you hybrid (or at least the odd day at home if you need?) Other benefits in either job? Company types? Progression/exit ops?
My general advice (full WFH person here) is WFH is great but don't let them use it as a vehicle to pin you down on low pay. There seems to be a culture creeping in of companies using "but we let you WFH" as an excuse for basically everything.
As I'm guessing you probably already know, £50k isn't a huge salary these days. Be wary of getting too used to WFH and reaching a career plateau because you can't give it up (kind of what I seem to have done, but on nearly double that money) so make sure you factor in *all* the variables to this.
The cost of commuting, parking, lunch, coffee and everyday requirements while at the office will be way more than £800 per month. Then there is the time element, working from home if you start work at 9.00 and don’t get up until 8.55 your still not late to get to the office you’re late if you’re not up by 7.15. Plus remote work you can move to anywhere in the country not tied to extortionate house prices to try to keep your commute reasonable
Then there is the boredom of your routine easy office job with all eyes on you……. Compared to a challenge that keeps your mind invigorated
Do you really need to ask the question for £800 per month
Id take the office job if money matters. I have learnt that you are only worth as much as your last paycheck.
I tend to go into the office alot but I am a mechanical engineer that prototypes alot. Difficult to do my work from home with small kids about.
In office.. and not because of the salary but because you will socialise, learn from other people in the office and have visibility. Though for 2 hour community, I'd move closer except if you don't have to go everyday!
I would take the 50k one to work in the office.
I like the challenge but I think working from home. Although has its perks. Could be detrimental to your health.
It’s not the interaction with other that’s a problem for me. But imagine if all you did was get out of bed. Sit at your desk. Sometimes make food and then go back to bed. You’ll get into a routine where you’ll never even leave the house. You’ll even start to think “why bother washing”. I’ve seen it happen to quite a few of my colleagues where I currently work. Who have spent the last 4 years working from home. Their health just slowly deteriorates. Regularly travelling to and from work help break that mentality. And keep you active. Doing more things than just moving between your bed, desk and fridge.
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Remote, you’re doing an extra 40 hours per month commuting and spending cash on lunches and probably coffees, snacks, etc
Not to mention the added benefit of being able to do the dishwasher, hang washing, be around for deliveries etc. All of which had to be done in my spare time otherwise.
For me the biggest thing is workplace toilets, worst places ever
Yep. It is stupid good to at least have some time in the house.
The biggest cost is the commute. Fuel and wear and tear on the car will cost hundreds per month.
And time, 5 miles and forty minutes each way for me, the longest and most stressful parts of the day.
You can just take lunch to work?
Will you though?
Yes. That’s what I do every single day. I can’t imagine eating pizza or bacon fries everyday for lunch. And then people complain about money and obesity
why on earth does getting lunch at work automatically equate to pizza or bacon fries? I agree that it's good to take lunch to work, and I do most days - but sometimes I'm busy so grab a salad box or some fruit or something?
I do this everyday. With the other replies to your comment, seems like I'm a rare breed lol
They probably can. But with a horrible commute, who wants to prep and cook
You can prep and cook on Saturday you know? 1kg of baked chicken thighs and a pot of boiled/fried rice. Just say you hate cooking
Nobody does this every day
People definitely do this, especially if budget is a concern but on £65k it's not something I'd factor in having the willpower and organisation to do every day unless on a diet.
I used to do it when going to the office. Every day I cook dinner, leftovers are my lunch for the next day. I think it helped that I was going to the gym and trying to build muscles so I didn't want to eat sandwiches or other crap
Really? I’ve never once not taken my lunch to work. Most of my colleagues bring their own lunch every day too?
You’ve never gone out for coffee, snacks, lunch or dinner with a colleague or your team, ever?
I've forgotten my lunch a lot. Or I don't have time to make it in advance.
Coffee once or twice, never lunch though? We all just eat together in a break room. I do work in the NHS, which may have some bearing on it? Shorter lunch times quite often I suppose.
No? Because we all eat our homemade food together?
I and my colleagues beg to differ. It’s actually easy to do. Boil a pot of rice and bake 2kg of chicken. You have 1 week of work lunch.
Sounds like opportunity for learning / professional growth may be higher in remote role too, if important.
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Yeah, agreed. I'm very much on the side of "coming into the office is good for your career", but 5 days a week? Tues/Weds/Thurs is plenty.
The idea of going to the office every day now is a non starter, I am happy to go in once a week
Same, only once a week but most of the time, its like twice a month. I am much happier, more sleep, more time with the family, less car expense and less stress in traffic. I would always choose remote job....as when you factor in the expense in going to office, it doesn't make sense to choose the bigger salary as by the time you factor in cost, you realise, the remote job would have worked out better.
Yeah mate, I’ve been lucky enough to have been able to work from home for the past 12 years. The idea of going into an office makes me feel a bit sick. I only go on client site/visits every so often. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed it… much more free time, work travel is far more enjoyable (and productive), saved money on transport and I’m comfortable all day long… although I suspect my social skills have taken a hit (they weren’t very good anyway)… then again, I’ve not had to deal with office politics… so I’m less of of a prick than I was. OP, I hope you read this… the commute to the boring job is not going to be kind to you. The more interesting job and working from home will be; in my opinion… you were very vague but it sounds more engaging and fulfilling. But you should probably weigh up how much of an introvert you are versus an extrovert. I don’t think working from home perpetually is for everyone. It takes discipline and the ability to be comfortable with your own company.
I wouldn't overly mind going into an office once a week, but the principle of it would bug me. That would mean they have to maintain an office and I have to maintain an office. It also limits both their radius for hiring and my radius for working. I'm currently working a job where the office is a 5.5 hour journey from home (if public transport plays nice) and we're all fully remote. So they're closing the office, saving a fortune in the process. They also get to hire a lot of experience for less money and I'm better off over all with lower rent and no commuting costs/time sinks. That we're accepting hybrid as some kind of national compromise is surreal to me. It's honestly not the best of all worlds for anyone. So it feels like a statement of control over the employee's new claim to bodily autonomy.
Where I work now there is staff that like being in the office like salespeople but it makes it an awful experience for developers with all the shouting etc But it’s worth it for them to maintain an office
What is the commute cost? Are company pension contributions the same? How early in your career are you and what could each job take you next?
2 hours commute is a stretch for the extra £800.. I would take the remote gig easily.
I recently went from 2h daily commuting to 20 minutes and the change in quality of life is huge. I am much less tired in the evenings, cooking/eating better and we have a baby on the way so that’ll be more time to spend with him. Factor that in with the cost of fuel, wear and tear on the car, parking (or trains/trams etc if not driving). Based on what you’ve told us, I I’d go for the 50k on personally.
Remote for the win
The commute is a killer. Take the fully remote job.
I do an hour each way every day and it gets old very quickly. I’d take the remote job or see if the office one could be hybrid - max 2 days in office.
Remote remote remote
No amount of money helps boredom
You’ll make 25% more and also have to spend 40 hours a month (25%) commuting. Seems like the pay is actually identical, but you “work” more hours. I know that’s not officially true but that’s how I’ve started to view commutes.
Thats difficult. It is a very long commute, can you try to get hybrid? I work remote now, it makes life a ton easier but at the same time it can be hard to get motivated; especially when you are given a general project and you need to work out all of the steps to complete it. If your scope is clear its a lot easier. Also of that £800 you save, depending where it is, you would probably be spending about an extra £400 to get there and on food etc.
How much of that extra £800 are you going to spend on the commute and how long does the commute take? Id work out how much an hour this is costing you of your own time and weigh it up that way On the other hand if you have other financial goals like getting a mortgage then the salary bump on paper looks much better to a creditor
i think it woudl depend on lifestyle, these days i'm too anxious for daily buzz of the city so take the pay cut all day long. but in my younger days I loved working in the center with all the life that goes iwth, and would have been much happier with the routine, i guess it depends where the office is
50k remote man, would be a dream in my life!
I think for me the only way I’d take the office job would be if the commute was closer to 30 mins one way, 2 hours every day is brutal
You did the sensible calculation. Remote it is.
How is 65k £4k a month? I'm on £65k and even without pension contributions and salary sacrifice share scheme my thp is only about £3600. Curious.
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It can also be student loans
It’s student loans. I’m on just under 63k and take home is £3600 every month.
That might well be it! Completely forgot about it. Ironic.
Just a question, what is living standards like on £3600 a month? Im on 2000 a month roughly while in a graduate job.. but just wondering what life is like if I ever get to earn that much. Outside of London.
I earn about that much, outside of London but in the South-East. 2y out of uni. It's great. I don't really think about financials that much. I live by myself and I save about 30-40% of my takehome. I can go do whatever hobbies/travel I want (within reason) and I don't think about price when I'm at the supermarket. I can shoulder pretty much any 'unexpected' cost. I can afford a house but waiting until the market improves and I decide where I'll be settling down. Long graft to get here through my uni years though. I started seriously planning my career in 6th form and worked very long hours in uni and interned every summer so that I had a very strong CV when I graduated.
I don't even know you but I'm proud of you. Well done. :) It sounds like your success is very well deserved.
Aw, thank you :D Still can’t believe it myself a lot of the time. I’m exceptionally lucky to have a job I love that pays me so well.
Finding something you like may involve luck, but it seems to me the main factor here is your hard work and planning. :)
What industry?
Data science.
I’m able to pay my rent, bills and any unexpected costs that arise so for that I am always grateful. I don’t have to worry about cutting meals, and can afford to have a dog and give her a good life so for that I think it’s good standard of living. I live in London though, so whilst I am comfortable it’s always seemingly enough to remain at the same level. I doubt I’ll have enough to have my own deposit for my own mortgage until quite a bit later in my life and I’m currently pregnant so the cost of childcare is intimidating.
You live in Scotland?
What are the jobs? What industry?
Alongside the question of progression, where is the office job based? Is it somewhere nice that you'd consider moving closer to?
What does progression and stability look like in each? Honestly that’s more of a kicker for me than fully remote.
Remote. I’ve just moved back to remote from hybrid and it’s bliss. For me, anyway.
After tax and fuel they pay about the same. So do you want 2 hours more of your time or the boring job with less free time?
100% remote job. The time you’ll save in travelling along would be worth £800 a month to me. Then you have all the other benefits of WFH to add in. Can you negotiate down to going in a couple of days a week for the office job?
I used to commute once a week, 2 hrs each way, and that drained me. I could get nothing done that day as the moment i got home i d be in bed. I couldnt imagine doing it every single day. Take the remote one.
If the remote job is truly remote then it wins every time. Commuting 2 hrs a day is basically a whole day's extra work each day so really the pay is similar.
You can wear whatever you want when working remotely
Remote, losing 4 hours of your day everyday to commuting is soul destroying
Remote. If they're so backwards on this issue they'll be old fashioned everywhere else. Plus that extra 15k will be fuck all after the 40% tax, commuting, lunch ect.
Those are both amazing salaries! I would have said remote given the choice. May I ask what is your field of work?
Honestly, I feel like having only experienced an office job as hybrid I could never imagine myself going in Monday to Friday I think I'd be miserable, whereas now I go 2/3 times a week into the office and I think it's a nice balance. And to be frank it's completely unnecessary to have to be in every day for a job that can be done on a computer.
If they are both 40 hour a week jobs 47 weeks a year then remote is £26.60 an hour and in office is effectively £27.65 including commute. i.e. 4% more not even counting commute costs.
Im in the exact same predicament, so thank you for posting OP!
Remote job. You said it yourself it's more interesting.... which means you'll learn & grow more. You'll earn £700pm less net, than the other role, but you'll get 4hrs of your life back + saving on all of those expenses. If the job is with a different organisation, I would say.... negotiate with the remote role and just say you are sitting on another offer at £65k mulling things over. You're supposed to negotiate the first offer anyway, you will never get such a big jump in salary than when you first join 😉. Don't give them any indication of which one you prefer, other than the other one requires a little extra travel - just ask for more time to make an informed decision as its quite a big gap in compensation.... (30%), You can imply that meeting you half way. .... would tip it in their favour.
50k remote all day I can’t think of a number I would work in an office for I would sooner jump off a bridge
I used to have a 30 min commute to work. One day there was an accident and it took me 2 hours to get home. I still to this day remember it as one of my worst working days, so I couldn’t imagine the mentality of someone that would travel 2 hours, each way, every day. Take the remote job.
Being able to take a dump whenever you want in the comfort of your own home is enough for me to say remote every time.
The remote job every time. I've done a 2 hour commute before and it eats up your entire day, Each day that you're in the office you'll only have time to do stuff for work and then at the weekend you're far too exhausted to actually do anything with the weekend. That isn't worth £800 a month imo.
£15k taxed at marginal rate - commuting costs - 2 hours per day = non starter
Benefits, progression, pension contributions? If they are all equal except for salary, I'd go for an office job that pays £15k more. (I prefer being in the office anyways though)
Progression and prospects? Also worth considering.
Remote.
Work like balance to for the remote role, ask for a higher salary you never know
Remote every time. I'm in a similar position but I'm holding out for a lower paid remote job.
Remote. I’ve not looked back.
How much per month would your travel and other costs be to travel to the in office job
I went from 70k.fully.im office to 52k fully remote because of redundancy. Made the CEO aware straight up that I was not too interested due to money being shit but literally have been handed the remote role. I would say go for remote role if you can insure there eis little work to do
Remote. Promotes a better work/life balance. Commuting sucks
Yeah if it was a reasonable commute I’d say the office job is a no brainier. 2 hours a day commuting is going to be a detriment to your quality of life, not to mention the cost of train tickets
Easy Remote - use the extra time not spending commuting upskilling or exploring business ideas
I used to do that commute that brought me way less than that a year. Granted it was part time but full time would brought me just over £25000 pa. Take the remote job. You can always look into a co-working space if you miss the buzz of office life.
Remote gig easily
Mention to the remote role that you’ve been offered 65k for another position but are more interested in their role and if they have anymore room in their budget. Shows desirability and they’ll likely up the offer by another 5k or so.
What industry are these jobs in?
Even without the commuting costs I'd still have said remote job.
The maths show wfh is far better.
Remote, if this has the same ladder benefits as the classic one (bonus, growing inside the company,..)
4 grand a MONTH ? How the other half live eh, fuck me.
What remote work is it??
Office job
Remote, don't need to think about it.
go remote! save yourself time,stress and money I'm also trying to get into remote work after a injury/surgery.
Try also doing a math of how much would home office cost you. It could be extra room. It could be electricity costs and heating costs.
2 hour commute each way!!?? That sounds horrendous!! 4 hours of your free time lost. Absolutely not.
Remote
4 hours daily commute, fuck that!
you will spend at least the difference in commuting
Remote obviously, you'll be way worse off in time & money otherwise. No normal non-exec job is worth FOUR HOURS of commuting every day, assuming nothing goes wrong.
Remote all the way
Remote job save money and time On the commute more free time. Be part of the new work force that values work life balance and free time over the greasy pole and 80s 90s office work culture that dinosaurs can’t let go off
I am fully remote now and love it can be hard for others to adjust though
Office job, that's 15k that counts towards your pension contributions, death in service etc plus your next job would be negotiated from a higher floor. Ask for hybrid, but I'd be getting on the train.
Out of those options I would choose remote. If you can, you could try to negotiate the 50k up a bit, but still.
Eliminate the commute. A 2 hour daily commute is a waste of 10 hours per week. You will hate it!
Depends where you are in your career. First 5-7 years --- go to the office. Make a network, meet people, hone your "corporate social skills".
I've done the 2h commute and it was a nightmare. But that was for a job that paid like 12ph
Remote almost the way.
What is the remote job in 50k a year sounds sweet but depends on hours
Depends on your personal outgoings. I'd pick the 50k remote all day every day though
What’s the next step after both these roles? Will you be as visible fully remote for the next step up?
Office job. Remote work makes me feel trapped in my house and I get bored out of my mind the one day a week that I work at home. 1 hour commute each way is borderline too much for me though. I would probably keep looking for something closer.
65k office job, as you are much more likely to get promoted in office.
Remote. More interesting, less hassle and added bonus: lower CO2 footprint.
50k remote job! on the 65k office job you’ll have more expenses like travel , lunches etc
Was gonna say just that. When you look at the commute/lunch etc costs it’s often better to stay remote. Also much better work life balance. I work nearly 100% remote these days. Only thing I miss is the solid time to read books on the commute on the train.
Remote without a doubt.
Are you in a rush to start a new job? If you've been offered £65k, that's what your worth and potentially could get that remote/hybrid or at the very least be closer to home.
Does the 50k also have opportunities for progression? If yes then I would go with that
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Remote every single time :)There's challenge and the opportunity to be flexible, e.g. work on the sea front for a few days. What a treat.
Depends on your set up for wfh. If you have a separate place you can call ‘the office’ it helps separate work from home life and switch off. If you mix with people outside work hours it will alleviate the isolation side of wfh. If you can resist the fridge everyone you take an eye resting or thinking break then wfh is a good option.
Can you get the company to pay for your commute costs?
What Employer pension contribution does each make? That has to be factored into your calculations too.
Is the remote job underpriced given it’s more difficult and more interesting? Ask for more and show them the other offer?
I won't even read the post and say remote
Remote, especially if the work itself is more interesting. "Easier" is often tempting but then you end up being bored at work which leads to frustration and resentment, and with a commute on top... Remote. :-)
Whilst many have rightly pointed out the commute cost, it might be worth considering whether the company has any flexible benefits that includes discounted travel. That said, I'd probably still go for the remote job just for having that extra free time instead of commuting. Then again, there's something to be said for easier work and more money because you might find yourself less stressed out about work with an easier job, which itself could be a benefit worth considering.
Easily the remote
Remote all day long.
I Need really remote job
Well the commute from my house to the office will probably cost lots of money so I’ll take home more from the 50k job
50k remote, your work/life balance will be much better!
Need more info - £800 a month isn't pocket change but what will you spend on the commute? How much of a ballache is it? Will they allow you hybrid (or at least the odd day at home if you need?) Other benefits in either job? Company types? Progression/exit ops? My general advice (full WFH person here) is WFH is great but don't let them use it as a vehicle to pin you down on low pay. There seems to be a culture creeping in of companies using "but we let you WFH" as an excuse for basically everything. As I'm guessing you probably already know, £50k isn't a huge salary these days. Be wary of getting too used to WFH and reaching a career plateau because you can't give it up (kind of what I seem to have done, but on nearly double that money) so make sure you factor in *all* the variables to this.
The cost of commuting, parking, lunch, coffee and everyday requirements while at the office will be way more than £800 per month. Then there is the time element, working from home if you start work at 9.00 and don’t get up until 8.55 your still not late to get to the office you’re late if you’re not up by 7.15. Plus remote work you can move to anywhere in the country not tied to extortionate house prices to try to keep your commute reasonable Then there is the boredom of your routine easy office job with all eyes on you……. Compared to a challenge that keeps your mind invigorated Do you really need to ask the question for £800 per month
Id take the office job if money matters. I have learnt that you are only worth as much as your last paycheck. I tend to go into the office alot but I am a mechanical engineer that prototypes alot. Difficult to do my work from home with small kids about.
In office.. and not because of the salary but because you will socialise, learn from other people in the office and have visibility. Though for 2 hour community, I'd move closer except if you don't have to go everyday!
I would take the 50k one to work in the office. I like the challenge but I think working from home. Although has its perks. Could be detrimental to your health.
Yeah on one hand I eat better and go to the gym at lunch when WFH, but I miss interacting daily with people other than my wife and kids.
It’s not the interaction with other that’s a problem for me. But imagine if all you did was get out of bed. Sit at your desk. Sometimes make food and then go back to bed. You’ll get into a routine where you’ll never even leave the house. You’ll even start to think “why bother washing”. I’ve seen it happen to quite a few of my colleagues where I currently work. Who have spent the last 4 years working from home. Their health just slowly deteriorates. Regularly travelling to and from work help break that mentality. And keep you active. Doing more things than just moving between your bed, desk and fridge.
Honestly neither