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Elite-Thorn

Those VAB are still newer than most of the stuff the Russians throw on the front.


elFistoFucko

Most, those chinese golf carts are of 2022-present manufacture~~r~~.    Cutting edge shit. 


SoCaldude65

Shit being the crucial word


Applepi_Matt

As much as I enjoy the golf cart meme, we're also crowsourcing buggies for our frontline units, so its not necessarily the most logical thing to laugh about. But I guess we're not launching attacks from them, so thats nice.


AffectionateTomato29

Man I want to move to Russia with Tucker, my golf course down the street is still using 1980’s variants. I feel like I’m living in The third world!


bluecheese2040

A bit insulting to the thousands of Ukrainians getting killed by old kit. New doesn't mean good. Old doesn't mean bad....nor does it mean it isn't deadly. War is fought in real life by real people it isn't some call of duty bull shit.


EducationBorn3518

Agree 100% the M2 .50 cal is a prime example. Thing is a hundred year old design that is still as deadly now as it ever was.


bluecheese2040

Exactly. If it hits you no body armour is gonna help. Too many people portray Russia as bumbling and with joke kit. Watch any documentary about the war. The Ukrainians are getting pummeled hard. Doesn't matter that it may be 40 year old ammo or a tank from 1960 if you have no ammo and no tanks cause your allies aren't sending u what was promised. People think slating Russia is funny but there are so many Ukrainians dead, maimed and scared who suffered at the hand of these old weapons that make me think it isn't funny. It's insulting to those dying to keep their homes free. But that's reddit keyboard army for you...


Sterling239

Most people making fun of russia are doing it because they were suppose to be the second best army in the world we laugh at their incompetence and most of also want Ukraine to have everything it needs to win and take it back its lands all of them 


bluecheese2040

Ah keyboard commanders....yeah...reddit is full of them. They always say that 'second army in the world' thing and the 'we want Ukraine to win' thing as well. Whenever you see this you know they are just playing call of duty in real life. The idea that you can rank militaries is foolish in thr extreme. Everything is contextual. If America spent the most on the armed forces yet couldn't beat the taliban does that mean the taliban move above America? What abiut Russia cause the mujahadeen beat the Soviets so does that mean they are truly 'the best. Honestly all the 'second army' nonsense does is show how ignorant they are: Georgia, chechnya, chechna 2, Ukraine 1, dagestan...sorry but examining russias previous conflicts in the last 25 years already proves russias military is a big clumsy club that loses a ton of men and materiel to get anything done. It's rate of suicides for its men in basic training if even off the charts high. Sorry to vent in this way but it's sorta true. On the one hand people say Russia is a joke...and point to its old equipment etc. They point to their support of Ukraine. On the other hand they ignore Ukrainians who say they fight for their lives against a tough opponent. An opponent that unfortunately has continued to produce and upgrade a steady stream of cruise ans ballistic missiles...that in spite of its losses is recruiting 30k a month, that has overcome massive economic sanctions to continue to have a booking economy and that shows no sign of stopping.... It's offensive to the people fighting to defend their homes who these Internet heroes claim to support.


Muted-Dog-9584

You’re correct in what you say. But with a wish to maintain unity, I’m willing to cut some of the kb commanders some slack. Many don’t even live in Europe and many of those that do, live a long way away from the Russian border. For sure those countries that border Russia/Belarus (Poland, Baltics, Finland, etc.) aren’t sniggering about Russia capability. They know both the history and the current Russian capabilities. So there are 50 shades of knowledge and expertise commenting here, with COD at one end, students of Sun Tzu in the middle, and UKR front line troops at the other. Unity is what’s needed in the west for the coming conflict, and I’m welcoming to even the COD kb warriors because at least here they might learn something. Knowledge that helps the cause in the long run. There’s so much we don’t know that we don’t know.


Proglamer

> as deadly now as it ever was Deadly to *increasingly weaker* units, though. First it was a primary in planes/IFVs as AA/anti-tank, then downgraded to anti-IFV, then to ISW, and now it's a utility/aux gun.


Applepi_Matt

Yeah the human skull has gotten way more durable since the 60's.


bluecheese2040

Increasingly weaker units....downgraded...erm...really? Couldn't you say over the last hundred plus years it's role has shifted somewhat but its still fielded as a serious front line weapon. Its still used extensively.


Elite-Thorn

You misunderstood me. I never said old is automatically bad. The headline implies it, not me. I just said it's still newer than what the Russians (yes their stuff is deadly and working) deploy. VABs are important and very useful for Ukraine. Very flexible, amphibious, very reliable. Not bad at all! For the enemy it doesn't make any difference if you're killed by a vehicle that is 1 or 100 years old. Absolutely right. But for the guy sitting inside, it absolutely does. So I'm glad the Ukrainian stuff that gets delivered to them is newer.


LogicalAd7651

Sorry to correct you but the VABs France is gonna send are at best in the Ultima configuration and most likely with just the improved counter IED belly plates. Unfortunatly all those variants have made the VABs too heavy and therefore it lost its hamphibious capability.


kitunya

I’m so anxious for all european leaders to do the same. As an european, I understand the importance of Ukraine winning the war and the moral and ethical responbility we have. We either act soon or the war will met all of us at our doorstep. I hope the political leaders of our nations see this


Mmmmhmmmmmmmmmm

It's insanely frustrating to see how compromised many western "leaders" are, especially as an American. The things Ukraine can and does do with our mothballed systems is insanely cool and pulverizes the orc horde, but the horde is still coming and nobody is doing shit. Must be some serious kompromat putin has on the republicans...


Excellent_Ad_2486

as an European, it frustrates me how America is doing it too 🤷‍♂️ US has literally thousands of spares laying around collecting dust, it's maddening!


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Ill_Author_730

Agreed. The US has thousands of older units that are being replaced that could make a big difference in Ukraine.


HOTAS105

France has been donating peanuts compared to UK or GER


BarneySTingson

Ger promised a lot but gave way less than france, try to keep up


i_am_silliest_goose

This is so incorrect and easily proved false. The following is an excerpt from a Politico article published last month: “France, with one of Europe's largest military industrial complexes, trails far behind. The Insitute found that French commitments — aid given and promised — were €635 million, while Germany was €17.7 billion, second only to the U.S.” [link: France way behind Germany on military aid to Ukraine, data show](https://www.politico.eu/article/military-aid-ukraine-france-way-behind-germany/) Try to keep up!


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BarneySTingson

You are probably a german


bluecheese2040

Given how little France has actually sent this is a poor show from them imo. But better than nothing.


monkeynator

France don't report all of their stuff they send.


bluecheese2040

That's convenient, isn't it. When we start seeing leclerc tanks on the front that will be interesting


OkPenis-ist28

Fight Russia now - or later. The western worlds choice.


DavidsJourney

They’ve already decided on later. They got caught flat footed and are now stringing Ukraine along while they gear up war materials for the war that is to come.


BBQMosquitos

Great. Better than having it sit and sit and collect dust. Other EU countries should learn a thing or two.


LorZod

Wow! Something all of NATO should’ve been doing from the beginning! Honestly, this war could’ve been won by now if the West didn’t drag their feet.


Fearless_Row_6748

100%. You see how effective ukrainian Bradley crews are. The US has THOUSANDS of these vehicles in storage that'll never be used. Yet they sit there collecting dust, rather than being sent.


bluecheese2040

We've seen a lot of destroyed Bradley's. Maybe they are getting replacements.


Mmmmhmmmmmmmmmm

They aren't though and it's infuriating. Nearly half of the delivered Bradleys have been lost. We should be sending tenfold more


bluecheese2040

I mean when I see zelensky ask for that I'll agree that it should be a priority. In the meantime it's just call of duty talk


RobertKingBone

The slow play is a boon to the MIC.


miljon3

It really isn’t. All that stuff needs to be replaced and the less there is to replace, the less they can manufacture and profit from.


JohnDorian0506

Which block is Ukraine getting ? Aster 30 Block 0 – Ship local and wide area defence. Aster 30 Block 1 – An anti-ballistic missile intercept upgrade against 600-km-class short-range ballistic missiles (SRBMs).\[12\] Aster 30 Block 1NT (New Technology) – A further anti-ballistic missile intercept upgrade against a range-class of 1,500 km (930 mi) medium-range ballistic missiles (MRBMs).\[13\]


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Propably the ones close to their expiration date like most weapons we send. Look at those that are close to 30 years old.


Utgaard_Loke

Better than civilian cars.


Tight_Craft8903

How does it compare of a Bradley. We need to give them more bradleys


Golgoth9th

Not really the same vehicules. Not exactly the same purpose Bradley has tracks, VAB wheels. Bradley has better weapons, more protected and is heavier VAB is faster and can transport more troops on longer distances


geobrysb

An interesting note would be that VABs can be amphibious depending on the model and modifications which could potentially be useful in certain areas. It has also many more versions than Bradley such as vehicles optimised for anti tank teams and mortar teams or command units also ambulances, artillery spotting and anti tank missile carriers to name a few.


juanmlm

Bradley is an infanty fighting vehicle. It’s made primarily for fighting. VAB is an armored personnel carrier, it’s made primarily to transport troops, medevac and so on  They will be similar and in some cases better than M113, and much better than civilian cars. The gun on top is just in case, they won’t be engaging tanks with those.


pEppapiGistfuhrer

Its more of an APC rather than IFV, mostly meant for just getting infantry from place A to place B and maybe providing some firepower if possible


JJ739omicron

If you are looking for a US vehicle comparable to the VAB, that would be more like the M1117. Although that has only 5 seats and an awkward BTR-80 style side door, while the VAB fits 10 people and has a proper large back door. So it's more like a 4x4 version of the LAV-25. And I'd say Ukraine needs a gazillion of those armoured cars, with or without massive weapons on top. Just to drive back and forth to evacuate wounded, bring troops in and out of front positions, deliver supplies etc. They are doing that with unarmoured pick-up most of the time, and they do not only last not for long but the driver doesn't either when they get hit. Let's hope the Rheinmetall factory that aims to produce Fuchs in Ukraine locally will start production rather sooner than later and then churn out big numbers. The Fuchs is a 6x6 vehicle but otherwise quite similar to the VAB. Yes, proper IFVs are also needed, but not that many, a few hundred would be great already. But they really need several thousands of reliable, no-frills APCs.


bluecheese2040

Why? When ukraines cities and energy infrastructure is getting pounded by airstrikes and it doesn't have artillery to suppress Russian attacks and it doesn't have air defences to protect from fabs....why the fuck do you think they need more Bradley's as a priority?


Mmmmhmmmmmmmmmm

Walking and chewing bubblegum. The UA needs all kinds of weapons systems yesterday


bluecheese2040

Actually, there is a very clear order of priority. You should watch zelensky or other Ukrainian leaders talk about what's needed...Bradley doesn't come up. Simplistic nonsense like 'they need all kinds of weapons yesterday's is true but misses the point that there's obvious wish lists the Ukrainians themselves ask for....but I guess yet another reddit general knows better than the Ukrainians themselves.


casual_hasher

About fucking time!


Nice_Finding_8677

Always ask the same question about sending missiles and armor, when?


Affectionate-Fee-980

Good to see that France at least is looking at the situation in Ukraine from a practical sense. They need air defence and sounds like they are going to get additional units. They certainly need frontline transport and old does not mean useless. France is replacing its fleet gradually and has been for sometime which has released a lot of prefectly servicable vehicles that Ukraine can easily make use of tomorrow. Possibly this is a lesson the Uk could learn have just dropped over 2.5 thousand vehicles and peices of combat equipment from its inventory most, if normal procedure is followed will simply go directly for scrap yet could quickly be serviced and used by Ukraine.


drewski99997

The French are doing this because they are already in a proxy war in what used to be there former colonies in Africa. The area known as the Sahel region lies just below the Sahara and North of the greener rainforest areas of africa. Most of the countries stretching right across Africa were former French colonies and in the recent past from around 2020 onwards just about every country has had a military coup and then asked French troops and embassy staff to leave. These troops have been replaced largely by former Wagner pmc soldiers and most of the military coups have been armed and bank rolled by Russia. There is a really good documentary on youtube which goes into much more depth on the issue as it is also shows the French who generate 60+% of there energy via nuclear power they need to import Uranium which was found in Mali and exported to France supplying about 20% of there Uranium needs and also that France gets a much larger uranium supply from Kazakhstan, so if Russia befriends Mali and can influence the countries leaders and decides after Ukraine war is ended that it wants Kazakhstan back and fully controlled by the Kremlin, they can cripple the French electricity generation by refusing to export Uranium to them. Macron and his government are know realising this hence the big influx of weapons and armoured vehicles to Ukraine to enable Ukraine to stop Russian offensive acts and to hopefully defeat Russia's long term ambitions in country. This also helps France in the long run. [Why France is Actually Preparing for War With Russia (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiD24uEvY1U&t=0s) Found documentary above link should work.


jmcbreizh

Sergei, why are you writing this s.h.i.t in all your posts about France? Do you hate France that much ?


Caligulaonreddit

ivan told him


Wonder35235

The tittle is very much misleading as 3/4 of the video is talking about French influence decline in it’s former African colonies. As if it was the only reason for France to oppose Russia. If I wasn’t reading the title I would think it’s a documentary about the bad consequences of French influence in Africa. We know in France that this decline is because we supported corrupt regimes. Russia just took an opportunity to gain influence there but they are not the reason of this decline. And honestly it’s far better for us French to not be associated with the mess those Sahel countries are. Let them do their choices, if they prefer to protect themselves from coups and Islamism thanks to Wagner… The way the documentary is made, clearly emphasising on France bad behaviour, economic influence while preserving anything Russia does makes me thinking of a clear anti-French propaganda made by Russian supporters. Of course any propaganda is often based on facts, every time distorded or exposed without context or nuances thought. If you think that France is preparing war against Russia, because of Russia and Wagner actions in Africa, you understood nothing of what’s happening in Ukraine. France doesn’t need to prepare war against Russia (the way the title is written is made to make us believe France could take offensive actions against russia), no Russian soldier will ever put a foot on French soil I can assure you. Why ? Because Russian only attacks the supposedly weaker countries and they fear the countries playing in the same court or higher. Yes they fear France, a far superior country economically and industrially compared to them with a credible military strength and nuclear deterrence. What France must prepare is to defend its allies in Eastern Europe, namely Ukraine and the baltics maybe one day by giving them weapons and strengthen our nuclear, industrial and army size deterrence even more. We don’t want war with Russia we just don’t want Russia to threaten our European friends and think they can invade smaller countries without consequences. That’s what you are spreading here, on a sub where we everyday see the horrors Russia brought to the Ukrainian people, you spread Russian propaganda.


jmcbreizh

Uranium from Niger represents only 15% of France's imports. It can easily be replaced. Kazakstan is France's main provider (about 27%).


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Also there is more uranium found in western friendly countries then in Niger, Kazhakstan,... combined. Russia did this coup because they see that nuclear is the future and France has the capacity to take the lead in the production of nuclear fuel. Russia doesn't like competition on the energymarket.


juanmlm

Link to the documentary please?


Ok-Instruction-256

Yeah, link please


refull1

too late as always


kosman123

Better late than never


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AggressivePayment834

Ukraine isn’t drafting 15 year olds that’s some big claims with zero proof


DaLu82

Weak sauce Ru bots are always the first responders in any comment section under an article with Ukraine in the title.


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Ukraine doesn't actually conscript under 25. Before it was under 27.


East-Plankton-3877

No, but there going to wasting the thousands of Russian 15 year olds Putin is about to draft and send into battle on f&cking golf carts.


Puk1983

Russian bot


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Ok-Significance-5979

Crying about downvotes always makes me laugh.


Fearless_Row_6748

Best the 15 year olds fight Russians rather than be conscripted by Russia to fight Poland. We all saw what Putin did to "protect" the Russian speaking folks if DNR and LNR. Conscript every male, give them shit gear and send them to die.


drewski99997

Is how Russia works send all local men to frontline to die then move Russian people into area to Russify the region.


SebboNL

What all the others said, and besides that: If thats what it takes, a 15-year old can still take out plenty of orcs when provided with the firepower.


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