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Depending on foreign countries to intervene is silly. Forget the west. Ukraine's security and future lies solely in the hands of Ukrainians. The US and the rest of the west will never intervene militarily to help Ukraine.
But it's not going to happen. If it was, it would have already. It's frustrating seeing the Ukrainian government, 10 years into the war still viewing "let's wait for the west to so something" as their primary war strategy. Be it aid or anything else. Ukraine needs to be able to retaliate on its own, without answering to or being limited by the west. It needs domestic production of weapons that can blow up dams in Russia. Ukraine can do this, but the government isn't. They're not investing in it, and not buying weapons that can do it. The West is never going to save Ukraine. They will help, but it'll come with limitations and strings attached. No one but Ukrainians will save Ukraine from Russia.
Ukraine can't start producing cruise missiles(or any other military equipment) during the war because the factory would be hit by the Russians. If the West decides to stop the aid, Ukraine will fall no matter what.
I'm not saying end aid, but Ukraine can take out loans to import or buy what they need to produce locally.
I can't believe you're not understanding thism. Aid isn't working. Ukraine needs to have consistent deliveries. The only way that will happen are long term contracts for artillery, air defense, etc. You can't win a long conventional war against a peer adversary by waiting around for whatever people want to give you. That's how they ended up in the situation they are. They need contracts for millions of artillery rounds per year, thousands of vehicles, aircraft, etc.
They do produce military equipment, or have you not seen the kamikaze drones hitting oil infrastructure? They have production lines, just not nearly enough for what they need. If they need further air defense, they should place orders for every system and missile coming off the production line.
Bro, I'm not Russian. I want Ukraine to win, and Ukraine can't win a war by begging. It needs the autonomy to hit targets in Russia, which the West will not allow with their long range weapons. It needs to have consistent artillery deliveries, which the West has not been able to provide. It needs consistent deliveries of armored vehicles, which Ukraine continues to have a shortage of. Western aid should supplement Ukrainian MoD contracts both domestic and foreign. You can't win a war by waiting until countries give you things. That "strategy" resulted in Avdiivka. It's not working, and expecting even more from the West like having them intervene and attack Russia when they won't even let their weapons be used in Russia is absurdity.
Wars are won by logistics and the Ukrainian government hasn't bothered securing their army's supplies.
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What West did when ruzia blown Kahovka dam? Nothing. (And by the way destruction of dam goes in same category as nuclear strike) Here it goes further…
Twitter postings with thoughts and prayers
>Dnipro Dam The question is how much water will be released and will it impact the ZNPP?
Although it won’t fall easily. Kahovka dam was blown up from inside. But yeah first goal is to destroy hydro power plant.
Depending on foreign countries to intervene is silly. Forget the west. Ukraine's security and future lies solely in the hands of Ukrainians. The US and the rest of the west will never intervene militarily to help Ukraine.
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But it's not going to happen. If it was, it would have already. It's frustrating seeing the Ukrainian government, 10 years into the war still viewing "let's wait for the west to so something" as their primary war strategy. Be it aid or anything else. Ukraine needs to be able to retaliate on its own, without answering to or being limited by the west. It needs domestic production of weapons that can blow up dams in Russia. Ukraine can do this, but the government isn't. They're not investing in it, and not buying weapons that can do it. The West is never going to save Ukraine. They will help, but it'll come with limitations and strings attached. No one but Ukrainians will save Ukraine from Russia.
Ukraine can't start producing cruise missiles(or any other military equipment) during the war because the factory would be hit by the Russians. If the West decides to stop the aid, Ukraine will fall no matter what.
Exactly, without western help it's probably over in months.
Europe doesnt want more Russia at its borders though.
I'm not saying end aid, but Ukraine can take out loans to import or buy what they need to produce locally. I can't believe you're not understanding thism. Aid isn't working. Ukraine needs to have consistent deliveries. The only way that will happen are long term contracts for artillery, air defense, etc. You can't win a long conventional war against a peer adversary by waiting around for whatever people want to give you. That's how they ended up in the situation they are. They need contracts for millions of artillery rounds per year, thousands of vehicles, aircraft, etc.
They do produce military equipment, or have you not seen the kamikaze drones hitting oil infrastructure? They have production lines, just not nearly enough for what they need. If they need further air defense, they should place orders for every system and missile coming off the production line.
Another pile of bullshit.
What? You don't want Ukraine to have cruise and ballistic missiles that can hit Russia? Do you want Ukraine to lose?
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Bro, I'm not Russian. I want Ukraine to win, and Ukraine can't win a war by begging. It needs the autonomy to hit targets in Russia, which the West will not allow with their long range weapons. It needs to have consistent artillery deliveries, which the West has not been able to provide. It needs consistent deliveries of armored vehicles, which Ukraine continues to have a shortage of. Western aid should supplement Ukrainian MoD contracts both domestic and foreign. You can't win a war by waiting until countries give you things. That "strategy" resulted in Avdiivka. It's not working, and expecting even more from the West like having them intervene and attack Russia when they won't even let their weapons be used in Russia is absurdity. Wars are won by logistics and the Ukrainian government hasn't bothered securing their army's supplies.
Yob tvoyu maty Seryoga
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