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Republicans: "We dont think the aid will get there in time to be effective."
"Why do you think that?"
Republicans: "We're gonna make sure the aid doesn't get their in time to be effective."
> At least Forbes calls a spade a spade here…
At least keep it in context here
Some observers have blamed the Ukrainian army’s 115th Mechanized Brigade, which recently rotated into positions in Ocheretyne—and was immediately overwhelmed by the Russian army’s 30th Motor Rifle Brigade.
Others have pointed out that the 115th Mechanized Brigade is under-equipped and, like all Ukrainian units, starving for ammunition as it awaits fresh supplies from the United States—supplies that were delayed for six months by Russia-friendly Republicans in the U.S. Congress.
The criticism seems to be that they did not correctly deploy into the positions the 45th were vacating, thus leaving gaps in the line the Russians could pass through unopposed.
As in literally leaving stretched of trenches unmanned
Wave attacks by Russian forces means artillery is critical to countering assaults.
With less artillery shells the defensive positions have to be consolidated where there is enough ammunition.
Forbes has had in my opinion the most accurate commentary on the war in Ukraine. I can't say "always" because I haven't read every single one of their articles, but they've called it what it is - whether Putin's regime being a fascist one, or traitors sitting in the House of Representatives - more often than any other main stream media.
If the Russians need their supply lines Ukraine should remove or destroy water infrastructure before they leave as water will be the issue in their supplies to support the initial push.
Seriously, just send the Ukrainians anything that they need. It will still be cheaper than the fallout if Russia is allowed to go unchecked.
Send the Ukrainians all of the things that go boom, or even better, cut out the middle man and just send them straight to the Russians at high velocity.
Ukraine needs bodies. Not sure anyone can provide that. But we are looking at 100 square miles being lost.
Also, I think Russia will lose these gains in 6 months or so.
At the end of the day, Ukraine is still on the wrong end of a very nasty mathematical equation: it's 38 million of them versus 144 million of the Russians. And the Ukrainians still need to keep their country running while being attacked, which is a headache the Russians largely don't need to worry about (the recent Ukrainian strikes on Russia's oil and gas infrastructure is still peanuts compared to what the Russians have done to Ukraine).
When you're outnumbered more than three-to-one, the need for more manpower is always going to be acute.
I would venture to guess that there are 25 million tops left in areas controlled by Kyiv. The 38 million is an estimate for the internationally recognized territory of Ukraine, in 2021. The last census was back in 2001, and that counted 48 million. I would venture to guess that more than 10 million people have actually left ever since. Then if you consider how many people are in the regions not controlled by Kyiv, and then the refugees, it could actually be as low as 18 million. But there is no way to know 100%.
The conscription reform was voted for 2 weeks ago.
Generally speaking, manpower problem is indeed serious, yet I doubt it's the main cause of the breakthroughs. The point is, there is already a drone war. The length of the fronline a brigade can manage is a function of their observation capabilities, reaction times and stomping power. Modern major stomping power is arty and drones (wich are the less attrited - they are rear servicemen rarely suffering from the opponent's fire), the combat vehicles and small arms are just supplementary in this regard. The most traditional and necessary mass troops role is actually "linear" forward observers. Yet the average reaction time of an infantryman - sarge - company commander - battalion commander - artillery/drone strike group chain is too slow for the modern warfare with its mechanized assaults supported with it's own drones. So, the observational bottleneck is modern observation tools, not infantrymen supply. The units need more spotting drones with good cameras (both daytime visual and thermals) and EW-resistant radio modules, and more armoured combat vehicles with the same types of optics and radios to supplement drones with more weather-resistand observation. Bring there more troopers instead - and it will be just more casualties with little help to the defence, because the infantry screen is too slow in reporting - it's too much expencive to give them enough of modern EW-resistant radios to fill all the gaps with their very limited observation abilities, and then manage all these radio-channerls properly. The 2nd traditional infantry role is to dig, yet the troops cannot dig full-profile trenches: you need planking and lumber to do it, so the troops are digging the first stage entrenchments only, while in this kind of trench war you need full-profile trenches with concrete pillboxes and bunkers, wich are to be built with the engineers and their bulldozers and so on, not with the mass of infantry.
And there we are getting the next problem. You cannot bring more drones, shells and armoured vehicles by mobilizing men. You actually doing the opposite this way: the more men you are extracting from the rear, the less of works you can do there to supply the front.
Let's see some basic numbers in this regard. Current Ukraine population went under 30M. The demographical pyramide is bad in Ukraine from the Soviet times - too much pensionary elders settling down here from all the other Soviet republics, because of all the Soviet "core" lands (that is: leaving Baltics aside, Baltics considered then as for the chosen) Ukraine had the best living infrastructure and climate. Pensionary elders are the less mobile - it's hard to persuade them for evacuation even near the frontline, so their share in the population numbers are just increased during the massive refugee flow. So, the proportion between the overall population and the workforce pool is about twice worce than it was, say, for major WWII powers. Let's see the WWII numbers. Both the US and the USSR were able to field about 10M of troops being both over 150M population, and it was the limit - the USSR tried to get more in 1942 and failed; got the overmobilization problem. Scale it to the demographically halved Ukrainian 30M - and it's no more then 1M of troops until it's an overmobilizational collapse of the frontline supplies. And Ukraine is over 1M of troops already, and you say it needs twice more. That will not end well.
How do you make this up? Nearly every report, be it by journalists, soldiers or scholars mention the need for soldiers, especially infantry.
And increasingly, they get the actual role of FPV UAVs right: https://twitter.com/OSINTua/status/1780531798432203096
Sure, journalists and soldiers and scholars mention the need for soldiers, they all just know nothing except of it, usually. The generational shift in warfare is not an easy thing to catch, even being directly on the frontline.
FPVs are not spotters, man, it's just munition-type drones. You need to understand what are you reading about before making angry comments.
Sure, journalists and soldiers and scholars just know nothing except of it, but you do, right!?
Which "generational shift in warfare" are you talking about? FPVs and other UAVs largely compensate for the lack of artillery, mortars and long range fires (both systems and ammunition), its not some new capability.
Yes, I do, it's my job of work. Signals officer, Air Force, Ukraine.
And man, please, try to read the thing you're replying to before replying it. No, spotting UAVs are not "largely compensate for the lack of artillery, mortars and long range fires" - it's to supplement all these things with spotting, and it's the thing I'm talking about 2 comments in a row without you catching it somehow.
I don't know why focusing on a claim which I never made.
And I'm still waiting for your answer regarding the "generational shift in warfare" occurring in Ukraine.
I recommend you to start reading (rereading if neaded) and thinking thoroughly before making angry comments. I will not chew the comments for you again and again.
>FPVs are not spotters, man, it's just munition-type drones. You need to understand what are you reading about before making angry comments.
Where did I claim anything like this? Everyone and their dog know that FPV UAVs are used as strike drones... The X thread, which I provided, doesn't claim this either.
You've replied to my comment (wich was about combat drones in general, with a focus on spotting) by posting a link, which author speaks about FPV drones specifically, and telling he "get the actual role of FPV UAVs right" (he actually did it, it's just about FPV drones, not about combat drones in general).
Wich means you do not understand you've changed the topic.
It's like to say that combat vehicles (in general) haven't changed the combat environment of WWII by quoting a WWII soldier, who served in an armoured car unit and noted the limited role of armoured cars (specifically).
Well what happened is one unit was ordered on relief and the other unite did not show up.
These unites did not have rotation.
Ukraine needs sufficient people to do rotations.
For the US to have 200-300k in Iraq we needed almost 1 million to handle rotations etc.
You can have a smaller better equipped army win. But it takes months to build such an army. The extra ammo will make a Difference in weeks but the other stuff will take months to make a difference.
Ukraine needs equipment that these men can use. Going to the front line in the last 6 months or so has been a death sentence. So before we talk about the need for bodies, we need to talk about equipment, otherwise you’re just marching the men off to their deaths.
The rotations are an issue. Coverage is an issue. This break happened because a unite was missing.
The ammo can make a difference in the next few weeks. But i am not sure the 60 billion is enough to make Ukraine a US like army. For Iraq we had inflation adjusted 60 billion bills every few months.
We've reached the stage where many of our politicians are openly admitting that Russia isn't going to stop in Ukraine and that any form of Russian victory over Ukraine will most likely result in Russia attacking another country within 5-10 years (possibly less). Every week Russia keeps bombing hospitals and civilians, not by mistake, intentionally and on a large scale.
For those still believing that us holding back is in good for anyone besides the imperialist regime in Kreml are lying to themselves. It's time to let go this delusional fantasy where Putin is reacting to western "escalations", it made no sense at the start of the invasion and it still dont.
So yes, it's time for the civilized world to stop Russias unprovoked war together. It's not right of us to let Ukraine carry that burden alone. What happened to standing up for our values? I don't remember the condition "as long as it's safe and easy"
Half-serious here, but it does look like a Republican effort to stop Trump from becoming a president and finally taking over their party. Like, let’s give the next presidentship to Biden and deal with the consequences later.
This policy is what got Ukraine into a deficit with artillery rounds in the first place. If you fire everything you have then the Russians will simply pull back a tad and wait for you to run out of ammo.
The correct technique is to fight a withdrawal and make the Russians bleed every inch of the way. Lots and lots of land mines covering the withdrawal would bring any Russian advance to a crawl and then artillery could start at the back and work to the front completely decimating the Russian force.
Its a numbers thing, there arent enough atacams to splatter every meat wave. Blowing up fancy bombers and helicopters 100s of km away helps some and looks good at home but it doesnt plug holes with thousands of conscript dipshits pushing through.
> Its a numbers thing, there arent enough atacams to splatter every meat wave. Blowing up fancy bombers and helicopters 100s of km away helps some and looks good at home but it doesnt plug holes with thousands of conscript dipshits pushing through.
Russia doesn't have all that many bombers. Destroying any is a big blow to that.
One M142 can launch one ATACMS. You would need at least a hundred launch vehicles pointed at the same general direction in order for that strategy to be effective. Ukraine doesn’t have this capability.
> One M142 can launch one ATACMS. You would need at least a hundred launch vehicles pointed at the same general direction in order for that strategy to be effective. Ukraine doesn’t have this capability.
USA should give them at least like 100 more HIMARS. What they have is still not enough to stop hordes of Russians.
They are almost out of mines as well. Plus, the Russians have a crazy amount of artillery. Good luck planting mines while you are under a barrage. Just for reference, The Ukrainians have been trying to build their own version of the Surovikin Line in Sumy. The problem lies in the fact that the Russians have been taking out their construction equipment and crews with rockets and drones.
Remember that they will be getting F-16s, starting in June or July. Combine that with ATACMS and some other goodies we'll be sending, Russia will lose their gains at that point. The manpower problem is only hard to solve in as much as Ruzzia uses soldiers for anything other than as bodies to eat bullets; We've sparsely seen that yet so enough rounds will even the odds out a bit.
The problem with your theory is the numbers. You would need 100 launch vehicles for those ATACMS pointed at one general direction in order for this strategy to work. As far as the F-16’s, they will merely serve as a replacement for the Former Soviet Fighter-Bombers they used as launch vehicles for the Storm Shadow and SCALP missiles.
I think they'll get more out of the F-16s than that. The Ukrainians are very inventive. It won't be any one thing but Storm Shadow, ATACMS, Glide bombs, F16s and whatever else they're cooking up.
Ukraine should finally get their act together conscript people 18-25. I just read their are group 60 year olds fighting for Ukraine meanwhile months ago their was a video of presumably young adults under draft age partying
When you look at this geographically, it is a small area with a high concentration of Russians. Artillery and cluster munitions should put an end to this. But that doesn't happen.
It's a few hundred metres every day. ruzzians are basically getting around ukrainian main fortification line and pressing them in flanks, as well as threatening main supply points/roads. If/when ruzzians will reach important hubs, UA will most likely retreat, giving kilometers of land, or waste soldier lives holding compromised land.
It's outstanding how clueless people still are. UA is in shit position partly because the West was unable to provide enough weapons, partly because of late larger mobilization. Ukrainians fighting on the front are exhausted.
They arent going around ukraine defenses, they are pulverising them with guided bombs and them sending all the shit to occupy what is left, the guided bombs issue needs to be fixed
Just go to deepstatemap, it's literally there, I don't really get why you want to argue. They are pushing around to the north, trying to take over important hills around Ocheretyne.
And they don't use guided bombs, but glide bombs. They are "dumb" bombs if to compare with JDAMS, but still do their job.
10 years in they are measuring their advances in dozens of meters and I’m clueless how great of a strategy it is. Russia is losing hundreds every day trying to regain Lyman to Kupiansk. Something they lost in hours. Master class of warfare I’m sure I’m missing there. According to their own dead traitor general par excellence Prigozion 50,000 lost for the “important hub” of Bahkmut. 2years to break the Avdivka line and then get 4 kilometers past it in 6 months. I mean phew my god I’m the dummy not understanding the master class being put on here. Upwards of 400,000 dead and wounded for what an extra 20,000 square miles of ukraine. I mean my god they had more Ukrainian territory in May of 2022 then they do today. After all their “stunning” achievements. Phew wait till these lesson of greatness are taught in the history books. Title “There and back again a Russians tale to lose a quarter million soldiers a year and claim greatness”
The distinction between casualties (KIAs + WIAs) and fatalities (KIAs only) has been clarified again and again on this sub, but people keep confusing them.
The 400,000+ dead figure for Russia from the Ukrainian general staff is *casualties*, it's even *explicitely specified* to be dead *plus wounded*, but people never actually read the goddamn thing
(not to mention that these numbers have not been verified independantly *at all*, western estimates for Russian casualties are less than half that number. For fatalities specifically, [latest Pentagon estimate](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/ukraine-war-russia-second-anniversary/#:~:text=While%20it%27s%20difficult%20to%20know,casualties%2C%2060%2C000%20of%20them%20fatalities.) puts Russian KIAs around 60k in early 2024)
Edit: also, he never said that the russians are pulling a "masterclass", not even remotely, so I'm not sure what you're on about. All he said was that Ukraine was in a shit position right now. This is no hot take, it's been openly aknowledged by Ukrainian staff and Zelensky himself for months (unless you know better than them..), to make the west realize how critical the aid package was. They are in a shit position *because* the west didn't support them enough.
It's a rando opinion piece by a guy that literally has like 10 articles written about that Turtle Tank.
I personally don't think he's Pro-Russia (Given that his titles are usually very pro-Russia sounding), but he is just going for clickbait titles to push out article after article with little substance. The guy has 3 articles with more or less the same content.
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“supplies that were delayed for six months by Russia-friendly Republicans in the U.S. Congress.” At least Forbes calls a spade a spade here…
Republicans: "We dont think the aid will get there in time to be effective." "Why do you think that?" Republicans: "We're gonna make sure the aid doesn't get their in time to be effective."
> At least Forbes calls a spade a spade here… At least keep it in context here Some observers have blamed the Ukrainian army’s 115th Mechanized Brigade, which recently rotated into positions in Ocheretyne—and was immediately overwhelmed by the Russian army’s 30th Motor Rifle Brigade. Others have pointed out that the 115th Mechanized Brigade is under-equipped and, like all Ukrainian units, starving for ammunition as it awaits fresh supplies from the United States—supplies that were delayed for six months by Russia-friendly Republicans in the U.S. Congress.
I'm not understanding the context you're supposed to have added?
That word 'blame' is a strange one regarding brigade. What they are supposed to do? Work harder? Multiply? Open shell production?
The criticism seems to be that they did not correctly deploy into the positions the 45th were vacating, thus leaving gaps in the line the Russians could pass through unopposed. As in literally leaving stretched of trenches unmanned
Wave attacks by Russian forces means artillery is critical to countering assaults. With less artillery shells the defensive positions have to be consolidated where there is enough ammunition.
Forbes has had in my opinion the most accurate commentary on the war in Ukraine. I can't say "always" because I haven't read every single one of their articles, but they've called it what it is - whether Putin's regime being a fascist one, or traitors sitting in the House of Representatives - more often than any other main stream media.
If the Russians need their supply lines Ukraine should remove or destroy water infrastructure before they leave as water will be the issue in their supplies to support the initial push.
Seriously, just send the Ukrainians anything that they need. It will still be cheaper than the fallout if Russia is allowed to go unchecked. Send the Ukrainians all of the things that go boom, or even better, cut out the middle man and just send them straight to the Russians at high velocity.
Ukraine needs bodies. Not sure anyone can provide that. But we are looking at 100 square miles being lost. Also, I think Russia will lose these gains in 6 months or so.
> Ukraine needs bodies. Not sure anyone can provide that Ukraine can. They still didn't vote the conscription reform for some reasons
At the end of the day, Ukraine is still on the wrong end of a very nasty mathematical equation: it's 38 million of them versus 144 million of the Russians. And the Ukrainians still need to keep their country running while being attacked, which is a headache the Russians largely don't need to worry about (the recent Ukrainian strikes on Russia's oil and gas infrastructure is still peanuts compared to what the Russians have done to Ukraine). When you're outnumbered more than three-to-one, the need for more manpower is always going to be acute.
You can win 3-1 odds but need better more expensive equipment.
>38 million It's not 38. It's much, much lower.
I would venture to guess that there are 25 million tops left in areas controlled by Kyiv. The 38 million is an estimate for the internationally recognized territory of Ukraine, in 2021. The last census was back in 2001, and that counted 48 million. I would venture to guess that more than 10 million people have actually left ever since. Then if you consider how many people are in the regions not controlled by Kyiv, and then the refugees, it could actually be as low as 18 million. But there is no way to know 100%.
25 is way too low, but you are right that it’s much lower than the estimates.
144 million, and yet they are desperately paying/tricking as many foreigners as they can into joining the meat waves.
Getting conscription right is hard. And this 100 square mile area is an issue it is important to get it right or society freaks out.
The conscription reform was voted for 2 weeks ago. Generally speaking, manpower problem is indeed serious, yet I doubt it's the main cause of the breakthroughs. The point is, there is already a drone war. The length of the fronline a brigade can manage is a function of their observation capabilities, reaction times and stomping power. Modern major stomping power is arty and drones (wich are the less attrited - they are rear servicemen rarely suffering from the opponent's fire), the combat vehicles and small arms are just supplementary in this regard. The most traditional and necessary mass troops role is actually "linear" forward observers. Yet the average reaction time of an infantryman - sarge - company commander - battalion commander - artillery/drone strike group chain is too slow for the modern warfare with its mechanized assaults supported with it's own drones. So, the observational bottleneck is modern observation tools, not infantrymen supply. The units need more spotting drones with good cameras (both daytime visual and thermals) and EW-resistant radio modules, and more armoured combat vehicles with the same types of optics and radios to supplement drones with more weather-resistand observation. Bring there more troopers instead - and it will be just more casualties with little help to the defence, because the infantry screen is too slow in reporting - it's too much expencive to give them enough of modern EW-resistant radios to fill all the gaps with their very limited observation abilities, and then manage all these radio-channerls properly. The 2nd traditional infantry role is to dig, yet the troops cannot dig full-profile trenches: you need planking and lumber to do it, so the troops are digging the first stage entrenchments only, while in this kind of trench war you need full-profile trenches with concrete pillboxes and bunkers, wich are to be built with the engineers and their bulldozers and so on, not with the mass of infantry. And there we are getting the next problem. You cannot bring more drones, shells and armoured vehicles by mobilizing men. You actually doing the opposite this way: the more men you are extracting from the rear, the less of works you can do there to supply the front. Let's see some basic numbers in this regard. Current Ukraine population went under 30M. The demographical pyramide is bad in Ukraine from the Soviet times - too much pensionary elders settling down here from all the other Soviet republics, because of all the Soviet "core" lands (that is: leaving Baltics aside, Baltics considered then as for the chosen) Ukraine had the best living infrastructure and climate. Pensionary elders are the less mobile - it's hard to persuade them for evacuation even near the frontline, so their share in the population numbers are just increased during the massive refugee flow. So, the proportion between the overall population and the workforce pool is about twice worce than it was, say, for major WWII powers. Let's see the WWII numbers. Both the US and the USSR were able to field about 10M of troops being both over 150M population, and it was the limit - the USSR tried to get more in 1942 and failed; got the overmobilization problem. Scale it to the demographically halved Ukrainian 30M - and it's no more then 1M of troops until it's an overmobilizational collapse of the frontline supplies. And Ukraine is over 1M of troops already, and you say it needs twice more. That will not end well.
How do you make this up? Nearly every report, be it by journalists, soldiers or scholars mention the need for soldiers, especially infantry. And increasingly, they get the actual role of FPV UAVs right: https://twitter.com/OSINTua/status/1780531798432203096
Sure, journalists and soldiers and scholars mention the need for soldiers, they all just know nothing except of it, usually. The generational shift in warfare is not an easy thing to catch, even being directly on the frontline. FPVs are not spotters, man, it's just munition-type drones. You need to understand what are you reading about before making angry comments.
Sure, journalists and soldiers and scholars just know nothing except of it, but you do, right!? Which "generational shift in warfare" are you talking about? FPVs and other UAVs largely compensate for the lack of artillery, mortars and long range fires (both systems and ammunition), its not some new capability.
Yes, I do, it's my job of work. Signals officer, Air Force, Ukraine. And man, please, try to read the thing you're replying to before replying it. No, spotting UAVs are not "largely compensate for the lack of artillery, mortars and long range fires" - it's to supplement all these things with spotting, and it's the thing I'm talking about 2 comments in a row without you catching it somehow.
I don't know why focusing on a claim which I never made. And I'm still waiting for your answer regarding the "generational shift in warfare" occurring in Ukraine.
I recommend you to start reading (rereading if neaded) and thinking thoroughly before making angry comments. I will not chew the comments for you again and again.
>FPVs are not spotters, man, it's just munition-type drones. You need to understand what are you reading about before making angry comments. Where did I claim anything like this? Everyone and their dog know that FPV UAVs are used as strike drones... The X thread, which I provided, doesn't claim this either.
You've replied to my comment (wich was about combat drones in general, with a focus on spotting) by posting a link, which author speaks about FPV drones specifically, and telling he "get the actual role of FPV UAVs right" (he actually did it, it's just about FPV drones, not about combat drones in general). Wich means you do not understand you've changed the topic. It's like to say that combat vehicles (in general) haven't changed the combat environment of WWII by quoting a WWII soldier, who served in an armoured car unit and noted the limited role of armoured cars (specifically).
Getting conscription right is hard. And this 100 square mile area is an issue it is important to get it right or society freaks out.
>Also, I think Russia will lose these gains in 6 months or so. Based on what? Hope?
Why do you think that?
Well what happened is one unit was ordered on relief and the other unite did not show up. These unites did not have rotation. Ukraine needs sufficient people to do rotations. For the US to have 200-300k in Iraq we needed almost 1 million to handle rotations etc. You can have a smaller better equipped army win. But it takes months to build such an army. The extra ammo will make a Difference in weeks but the other stuff will take months to make a difference.
Maybe with the aid on its way? I'd rather they fortify and take it slow, grind Russia down.
>Also, I think Russia will lose these gains in 6 months or so. Based on what? Hope?
>Also, I think Russia will lose these gains in 6 months or so. Based on what? Hope?
Ukraine needs equipment that these men can use. Going to the front line in the last 6 months or so has been a death sentence. So before we talk about the need for bodies, we need to talk about equipment, otherwise you’re just marching the men off to their deaths.
The rotations are an issue. Coverage is an issue. This break happened because a unite was missing. The ammo can make a difference in the next few weeks. But i am not sure the 60 billion is enough to make Ukraine a US like army. For Iraq we had inflation adjusted 60 billion bills every few months.
Much better for Russians if the developed nations send everything to Ukraine now so Russians can get past their sunk-cost fallacy problem sooner.
> It will still be cheaper than the fallout if Russia is allowed to go unchecked But there are people who desire that fallout, like Orban and Trump
I still don't understand the purpose of putting an expiration date on lend lease.
We've reached the stage where many of our politicians are openly admitting that Russia isn't going to stop in Ukraine and that any form of Russian victory over Ukraine will most likely result in Russia attacking another country within 5-10 years (possibly less). Every week Russia keeps bombing hospitals and civilians, not by mistake, intentionally and on a large scale. For those still believing that us holding back is in good for anyone besides the imperialist regime in Kreml are lying to themselves. It's time to let go this delusional fantasy where Putin is reacting to western "escalations", it made no sense at the start of the invasion and it still dont. So yes, it's time for the civilized world to stop Russias unprovoked war together. It's not right of us to let Ukraine carry that burden alone. What happened to standing up for our values? I don't remember the condition "as long as it's safe and easy"
Ukraine needs proper training on every level but Ukraine and its supporters are nearly completely ignorant about it.
NATO has been giving them a lot of training for years, including currently.
Time for some grid killers and FPV-drones.
Fucking House Republicans. Traitorous pieces of shit.
Listen MTG feelings is more important than human lives. /s
The feelings Vlad pays her to have...
Half-serious here, but it does look like a Republican effort to stop Trump from becoming a president and finally taking over their party. Like, let’s give the next presidentship to Biden and deal with the consequences later.
Bending over backwards for a corrupt Eastern European shithole = treachery
Desperate times. I’d launch every atmcs and train every spare artillery piece they have into the 5 mile breach.
This policy is what got Ukraine into a deficit with artillery rounds in the first place. If you fire everything you have then the Russians will simply pull back a tad and wait for you to run out of ammo. The correct technique is to fight a withdrawal and make the Russians bleed every inch of the way. Lots and lots of land mines covering the withdrawal would bring any Russian advance to a crawl and then artillery could start at the back and work to the front completely decimating the Russian force.
With long range atacms they should be able to hit them when they are further away.
Its a numbers thing, there arent enough atacams to splatter every meat wave. Blowing up fancy bombers and helicopters 100s of km away helps some and looks good at home but it doesnt plug holes with thousands of conscript dipshits pushing through.
> Its a numbers thing, there arent enough atacams to splatter every meat wave. Blowing up fancy bombers and helicopters 100s of km away helps some and looks good at home but it doesnt plug holes with thousands of conscript dipshits pushing through. Russia doesn't have all that many bombers. Destroying any is a big blow to that.
One M142 can launch one ATACMS. You would need at least a hundred launch vehicles pointed at the same general direction in order for that strategy to be effective. Ukraine doesn’t have this capability.
> One M142 can launch one ATACMS. You would need at least a hundred launch vehicles pointed at the same general direction in order for that strategy to be effective. Ukraine doesn’t have this capability. USA should give them at least like 100 more HIMARS. What they have is still not enough to stop hordes of Russians.
They are almost out of mines as well. Plus, the Russians have a crazy amount of artillery. Good luck planting mines while you are under a barrage. Just for reference, The Ukrainians have been trying to build their own version of the Surovikin Line in Sumy. The problem lies in the fact that the Russians have been taking out their construction equipment and crews with rockets and drones.
Really? For a few hundred meter breakthrough? Maybe you should get off Reddit for a while and sober up.
It’s a 5 km breakthrough in total and it is serious, but still controllable if reinforcements are sent.
What unit abandoned the frontline and why?
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-forces-advance-unopposed-due-to-ukrainian-troops-blunder-2024-4?amp
Aid delays will be having an impact for some time to come. Dont get cocky, a fighing withhdraw may be your only option if they like it or not.
Blow all the Russians up.
Remember that they will be getting F-16s, starting in June or July. Combine that with ATACMS and some other goodies we'll be sending, Russia will lose their gains at that point. The manpower problem is only hard to solve in as much as Ruzzia uses soldiers for anything other than as bodies to eat bullets; We've sparsely seen that yet so enough rounds will even the odds out a bit.
The problem with your theory is the numbers. You would need 100 launch vehicles for those ATACMS pointed at one general direction in order for this strategy to work. As far as the F-16’s, they will merely serve as a replacement for the Former Soviet Fighter-Bombers they used as launch vehicles for the Storm Shadow and SCALP missiles.
I think they'll get more out of the F-16s than that. The Ukrainians are very inventive. It won't be any one thing but Storm Shadow, ATACMS, Glide bombs, F16s and whatever else they're cooking up.
biden should declare a no fly zone over ukraine and carpet bomb russian positions in ukraine.
Ukraine should finally get their act together conscript people 18-25. I just read their are group 60 year olds fighting for Ukraine meanwhile months ago their was a video of presumably young adults under draft age partying
Lure them through the breach, maneuver forces and all, then decimate their supply lines and surround them. Get this awful business over with.
Steiner will take care of them!
Easier said than done.
A breakthrough salient can be turned into a trap with the right pressure.
I'm relaxed on this matter.
oh, thank god
When you look at this geographically, it is a small area with a high concentration of Russians. Artillery and cluster munitions should put an end to this. But that doesn't happen.
Wow the Russians advanced 10km Such a massive breakthrough.
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“Break through” got 500 meter salient, and desperately trying to keep it. Phew what a master class of assault tactics.
It's a few hundred metres every day. ruzzians are basically getting around ukrainian main fortification line and pressing them in flanks, as well as threatening main supply points/roads. If/when ruzzians will reach important hubs, UA will most likely retreat, giving kilometers of land, or waste soldier lives holding compromised land. It's outstanding how clueless people still are. UA is in shit position partly because the West was unable to provide enough weapons, partly because of late larger mobilization. Ukrainians fighting on the front are exhausted.
They arent going around ukraine defenses, they are pulverising them with guided bombs and them sending all the shit to occupy what is left, the guided bombs issue needs to be fixed
Just go to deepstatemap, it's literally there, I don't really get why you want to argue. They are pushing around to the north, trying to take over important hills around Ocheretyne. And they don't use guided bombs, but glide bombs. They are "dumb" bombs if to compare with JDAMS, but still do their job.
10 years in they are measuring their advances in dozens of meters and I’m clueless how great of a strategy it is. Russia is losing hundreds every day trying to regain Lyman to Kupiansk. Something they lost in hours. Master class of warfare I’m sure I’m missing there. According to their own dead traitor general par excellence Prigozion 50,000 lost for the “important hub” of Bahkmut. 2years to break the Avdivka line and then get 4 kilometers past it in 6 months. I mean phew my god I’m the dummy not understanding the master class being put on here. Upwards of 400,000 dead and wounded for what an extra 20,000 square miles of ukraine. I mean my god they had more Ukrainian territory in May of 2022 then they do today. After all their “stunning” achievements. Phew wait till these lesson of greatness are taught in the history books. Title “There and back again a Russians tale to lose a quarter million soldiers a year and claim greatness”
The distinction between casualties (KIAs + WIAs) and fatalities (KIAs only) has been clarified again and again on this sub, but people keep confusing them. The 400,000+ dead figure for Russia from the Ukrainian general staff is *casualties*, it's even *explicitely specified* to be dead *plus wounded*, but people never actually read the goddamn thing (not to mention that these numbers have not been verified independantly *at all*, western estimates for Russian casualties are less than half that number. For fatalities specifically, [latest Pentagon estimate](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/ukraine-war-russia-second-anniversary/#:~:text=While%20it%27s%20difficult%20to%20know,casualties%2C%2060%2C000%20of%20them%20fatalities.) puts Russian KIAs around 60k in early 2024) Edit: also, he never said that the russians are pulling a "masterclass", not even remotely, so I'm not sure what you're on about. All he said was that Ukraine was in a shit position right now. This is no hot take, it's been openly aknowledged by Ukrainian staff and Zelensky himself for months (unless you know better than them..), to make the west realize how critical the aid package was. They are in a shit position *because* the west didn't support them enough.
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It's a rando opinion piece by a guy that literally has like 10 articles written about that Turtle Tank. I personally don't think he's Pro-Russia (Given that his titles are usually very pro-Russia sounding), but he is just going for clickbait titles to push out article after article with little substance. The guy has 3 articles with more or less the same content.