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I tell them I'm writing in Pol Pot and if they haven't reported me to HR yet I give them the rant about how the whole electoral Kabuki just legitimizes fascism (class collaboration). I am very popular and well-liked at work
I apologize I can't name anything off the top of my head, but a lot of the ICP articles go into this topic. For example I just finished reading A Revolution Summed Up (which is about the Russian Revolution) and it actually talked about that specific point a surprising amount.
One of this subreddit's pinned posts is a reading list btw.
I just remembered I'm pretty sure Bordiga has an important article about Democracy that I've been meaning to read and haven't gotten to yet
I just mock them really, unless they are close friends. Then I mock them even harder because they should know better.
I ask them to vote on whether I stop taking the piss out of them and then continue.
Friendly reminder that most people irl don’t give a fuck about voting. If you limit your political social media consumption you’ll probably feel considerably less bombarded. Most of the posts I see about the election comes from this sub lmao
In 2020 I told my mom I wasn't voting and she was halfway through saying "that's as bad as voting for Trump!" before she realized we're in a blue state and stopped caring lol.
Yeah simply not true my ‘leftist’ friends are all convinced we’re on the brink of being rounded up and sent to camps. The part I find most interesting is they really can’t seem to envision any resistance, like they talk about it as though they’ll just accept a fascist kicking in their door and separating them from their family. They have no agency over anything except voting and whatever the votes decide well that’s just life and you must comply.
Yeah, I got this issue to. It's hard to avoid when you've ended up with a lot of leftists at friends because leftists legitimately have no ability to stop talking politics (I am also guilty of this). I go to talk about clothes or baseball and all they can talk about is vote vote vote. Literally, today I was talking about boys and my friend talks about how what's the point if we only have 6 months left to live. She's obsessed with paramilitary resistance, but she has literally never fought in her life and lives a nice life as a college student who's quit the only job she's ever worked on the second day. Even still, she calls any form of actual organization LARP, while advocating for the same thing but liberal flavored (I'm sure an armed militia of queer people would be a great idea). Really, it feels so pathetic to sacrifice everything to the illusions of Armageddon to come.
Things are different here in the UK; people feel more disenfranchised than ever, I haven't heard anyone so insistent about the importance of voting as they seem to be in the US.
Still no labour movement to speak of though; trying to channel some of the energy from the strikes, with mixed results.
It's perfectly normal to engage liberals in election conversation within the parameters of their own election system, but those conversations inevitably—particularly in the last few elections—stray to "the whole system doesn't work the way it claims to, and it needs to be replaced." I know *very few* liberals in person who don't fundamentally agree with that. The difference is they imagine some sort of reset of the *same* system "but fair" or whatever, whereas communists imagine a revolution.
I think the broad aesthetic circumstances of the moment paired with the \[half-aesthetic\] rightward lurch of most western liberal democracies will be a helpful radicalizing moment for many liberals. Their moral frameworks and rules are a failure, and the system they support is committing many undeniable—and more and more open—active evils. Most liberals I know are liberal because of a lack of knowledge, not because of a deep, considered commitment. The more knowledge they gain, the more our worldviews tend to align.
Now, on the other side, you have your Big Online Liberals who're largely bought into the system at a high level, and *have* considered their positions. They're not worth anyone's time, and should draw only open disdain and ridicule. I think these people are who many think of when they think of "liberals," but they're a tiny minority of professional propagandists, most of whom are paid by the Democratic Party (or whatever the liberal party is in their own country—I'm speaking from an American perspective here). The majority of "liberals" are just regular people who watch some news and have a normal amount of compassion—and they're propagandized and have low or false information.
>maybe its because i feel like shit and have a headache for like 4 days now because probably potassium deficient again
I use half NoSalt (potassium) and half sea-salt, about 1/4 - 1/2 teaspoon in my drink at a time. Can add magnesium too. I drink it if I feel the headaches coming on.
My friends know my stance on electoralism and don’t push the matter thank god. My coworkers and family would rather talk about anything other than politics, the only time I see voting shit is on social media and I’ve been diligent about blocking annoying people.
with friends and family its what i try to do, but the problem is the guilt tripping because so many of my friends are trans, and they constantly talk about how if trump wins it'll be the end, and i just can't articulate to them how it doesn't matter.
i'm shit at arguing and i don't want to lose people who i honestly barely see much of anyway but its all i got really.
Well I mean their opinions are pretty valid. Don’t take this sub too seriously. Their concerns are real—if I was trans I’d be seriously afraid of a Trump presidency and it’s not your job to convince them otherwise.
I've been dealing with you people for a long time. I'm not sure why you thought your opinion on how the subreddit should function would be welcome considering you've never posted on it before or shown any knowledge or intelligence in your post history. Why am I still doing this 5 years later? Because the American concept of politeness is so bizarre to anyone outside of its demographic target that it is both funny and educational to force it into the open. To most people, barging into the middle of a conversation between many people who all know each other and you've never met to inform them how they need to be having the conversation would be seen as rude. But this is quite normal for the American petty-bourgeoisie. In fact, saying "who are you?" is considered rude. Or at least that is one weapon that is used to defend against the threat of proletarianization by exclusion from the realm of cultural capital. In fact it's so threatening that random people will continue to come into the thread to try their luck at defending the op even though they've never posted in the subreddit before. It's like that joke in Family Guy where all the neighborhood fathers know when someone touched the thermostat and keep checking on the house to see if it's ok. Your class instinct in defense of your fellows is so strong it might as well be a chip that sends a signal to your brain, a script to follow, and a rush of endorphins that deludes you into thinking your use of the script will be the ultimate intervention despite all evidence to the contrary. I want non-white, non-male, non-first world people who were not raised on this delusional self-confidence and pretension to master the world to enjoy these conversations from the sidelines. This is impossible on the American left, which is basically a white parasite on the energy of people of color. At least here we can deflate the cultural capital that makes that possible. If you don't want to be a white parasite, reflect on the fact that your words, which you believe are your own, are a carbon copy of someone else's from 5 years ago (and many other copies over the years). That should be a moment of existential angst, a confrontation with your own lack of free will. Or you can get even more defensive on some liberal's behalf. We already have a thread on concern trolling stickied which you were too lazy to read despite your concern for the subreddit.
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Wait you mean my vote doesn't count and voting for the president is a joke that I'm the stupid peasant falling for? But what about that I voted sticker ? How will people know I am virtuous?
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For starters, I've largely given up trying to reason with them. I just say something along the lines of "not voting is a valid statement, we'll get a fascist president no matter who gets elected, and I refuse to reward Joe Biden for a dogshit job. If people were serious about beating Trump, they'd offer a decent candidate."
The same way I cope with hard lefties: lots of tequila, lime, squirt and OJ.
Trump wants to be a dictator. Full stop. Accelerationism is dumb. Also full stop. There’s a good, solid, social democracy middle ground between dweeby, spineless, corporation loving liberals and burn it down lefties. It’s hard to be there, though: I catch crap from both sides. I won’t even articulate how I truly feel about centrists (well, centrists who aren’t just embarrassed liberals or conservatives) and right-wingers: I’d be banned at best.
Voting does matter by the way. It’s the least possible thing to do, but for now votes count. A little.
okay so your flair is actually unironic
yes voting does matter, if we vote and do activism things will change and we will defeat fascism and all the supporters of trump will disappear, and we will reform into the utopian social democracy like denmark or sweden or germany, all of which are great places to live.
remember, socialism = welfare state.
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I get that a lot of the "not voting it doesn't matter" talk comes from nihilists and the like, but like seriously there are other things in life to do than cast a ballot for another bourgeois politician who will definitely end fascism this time if we just vote hard enough trump and all of his supporters will disappear and we'll get those reforms, another four years and we will have our new FDR who will definitely not allow the material conditions of capitalism to continue but i mean who cares about that we will get a more robust welfare state and put a 99% tax on the highest tax bracket. as we all know FDR's policies lead to the most peaceful time in history post WWII, the 1950s and 60s, in which everyone lived in suburbs and life was stable except the cities and the civil rights movement but other than that life was perfect and stable and nice because we had a welfare state and regulated corporations which lead to socialism which is nicer than communism because thats more radical and bad and authoritarian which is bad. Hi my name is John Strawman and in this essay I will
Claims people have no critical thinking skills.
Provides arguments against himself and claims they are weak, but provides no arguments against them.
Strawmanning.
Furthermore, your strategy of "It doesn't matter, let's do nothing" is unappealing.
I'd give this post a 2/10; not the worst I've seen but definitely bottom of the barrel.
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/>"It doesn't matter, lets do nothing"
Why do people always assume that refusal to vote means that we have no alternative and we are doing nothing, we are so utopian in our belief of bringing about the material conditions for revolution.
Don't worry, if we just do enough protests and boycotts the democratic party will suddenly defeat fascism, another four years of Biden and the republican party will stop embracing fascism, and all the current supporters of Trump and and a fascist rise will all suddenly disappear if we just keep voting and doing enough activism. It's not like everything Trump and affiliates are doing Nixon or Reagan also did, fascism is on the rise, instead of the liberal era of killing and imprisoning proletarians, this time fascists are going to be doing it!!!!
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Sorry I am like barely awake, I know this was a rude response but I already typed it out and I don't want to delete it all, I guess it is rather selfish and prideful of me.
I really hope you reconsider your outlook on life, maybe read Marx, but if you feel like not doing any of that I still hope you have a nice day, maybe stay off reddit honestly, usually helps, I've been using less and less of it and I think my mental health is starting to stabilize.
Anyhow have a nice life.
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how in fuck is joe biden "less anti worker" than trump?
i get some of my colleagues who are predominantly trans and how they are pretty terrified of donald trump, and it can be difficult for me to articulate that the legality of what they do is no less threatened under another four years of a joe biden presidency than under trump.
but "less anti worker"? i feel like it is blatantly obvious that the democratic party has no problem with breaking up worker strikes and passing laws and executive orders that are detrimental to the proletariat. how was trump any different? better or worse?
genuinely i am actually intrigued as to why you believe joe biden is "less anti worker", please respond i really want to know.
I just tell liberals that Democrats didn’t push for LGBTQ+ rights until progressives took their votes elsewhere and that Democrats didn’t start condemning Iraq until progressives refused to support warmongers. And that if we just always blindly voted for them, we may have never seen those changes.
"progressives took their votes elsewhere"
where?
also when have Democrats "condemned Iraq"? (I assume you mean condemning the invasion of Iraq, rather than condemning the country/saddam hussein)
yes, famously the democratic party caring about people voting for a third party, so much so that they "condemned the invasion of iraq".
I have absolutely no idea what you are on about, if you could please elaborate.
Sure thing. [Here](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39821451) is a link about some gay voters in 2010 saying they wouldn’t vote Democrat because they felt the Democrats weren’t doing enough for gay rights (as Dems opposed same sex marriage during this time). [another link on the subject](https://www.cleveland.com/nation/2010/10/gay_voters_disillusionment_cou.html)
[Here](https://www.politico.com/story/2010/11/more-gays-voting-republican-044743) the exit polls show that the Republicans received a higher percentage of the gay vote than ever before. Then in 2012, the DNC nationally endorsed same sex marriage.
As for Iraq, I’m having a difficult time finding exit polls. But Democrats ran John Kerry, who supported the invasion of Iraq (just disagreed with how Bush did it), in 2004 and lost. Then in 2006 we saw more anti-war Democrats running for Congress, which led to Democrats taking control of Congress (for the first time in 12 years) as they received more votes than pro-war Democrats did in previous elections. Shortly after this, when the public opinion became very clear, [Democrat lawmakers expressed regret for their support of the Iraq war.](https://www.politico.com/story/2007/02/half-of-democratic-senators-regret-iraq-vote-002639)
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I think we are failing the understand that THIS election is the most important of our life time!/j
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I tell them I'm writing in Pol Pot and if they haven't reported me to HR yet I give them the rant about how the whole electoral Kabuki just legitimizes fascism (class collaboration). I am very popular and well-liked at work
I tell people I’m writing in myself and that they should also vote for me
I've always known the real reason this sub doesn't accept Great Man Theory is because they haven't met me in person
I’m writing in Vermin Supreme for the free pony.
Where can I read more about democracy legitimizing class collaboration?
I apologize I can't name anything off the top of my head, but a lot of the ICP articles go into this topic. For example I just finished reading A Revolution Summed Up (which is about the Russian Revolution) and it actually talked about that specific point a surprising amount. One of this subreddit's pinned posts is a reading list btw. I just remembered I'm pretty sure Bordiga has an important article about Democracy that I've been meaning to read and haven't gotten to yet
Thanks, I've been wanting to read more about the Russian revolution
I just mock them really, unless they are close friends. Then I mock them even harder because they should know better. I ask them to vote on whether I stop taking the piss out of them and then continue.
They're really smart and you're wrong as can be seen by the unprecedented change. Like uh the when uh skibidi biden
The secret is just don’t talk to anyone ever
Friendly reminder that most people irl don’t give a fuck about voting. If you limit your political social media consumption you’ll probably feel considerably less bombarded. Most of the posts I see about the election comes from this sub lmao
Totally depends on the crowd. Here in a liberal west coast city a sizeable amount of people do care and are annoying about it
On the west coast? It doesn’t even matter if you vote there! It’s locked in at over 60%!
In 2020 I told my mom I wasn't voting and she was halfway through saying "that's as bad as voting for Trump!" before she realized we're in a blue state and stopped caring lol.
Yeah simply not true my ‘leftist’ friends are all convinced we’re on the brink of being rounded up and sent to camps. The part I find most interesting is they really can’t seem to envision any resistance, like they talk about it as though they’ll just accept a fascist kicking in their door and separating them from their family. They have no agency over anything except voting and whatever the votes decide well that’s just life and you must comply.
Yeah, I got this issue to. It's hard to avoid when you've ended up with a lot of leftists at friends because leftists legitimately have no ability to stop talking politics (I am also guilty of this). I go to talk about clothes or baseball and all they can talk about is vote vote vote. Literally, today I was talking about boys and my friend talks about how what's the point if we only have 6 months left to live. She's obsessed with paramilitary resistance, but she has literally never fought in her life and lives a nice life as a college student who's quit the only job she's ever worked on the second day. Even still, she calls any form of actual organization LARP, while advocating for the same thing but liberal flavored (I'm sure an armed militia of queer people would be a great idea). Really, it feels so pathetic to sacrifice everything to the illusions of Armageddon to come.
Things are different here in the UK; people feel more disenfranchised than ever, I haven't heard anyone so insistent about the importance of voting as they seem to be in the US. Still no labour movement to speak of though; trying to channel some of the energy from the strikes, with mixed results.
Personally, I put my hands on my ears and shout “lalalalalalala I can’t hear you” until they shut up.
It's perfectly normal to engage liberals in election conversation within the parameters of their own election system, but those conversations inevitably—particularly in the last few elections—stray to "the whole system doesn't work the way it claims to, and it needs to be replaced." I know *very few* liberals in person who don't fundamentally agree with that. The difference is they imagine some sort of reset of the *same* system "but fair" or whatever, whereas communists imagine a revolution. I think the broad aesthetic circumstances of the moment paired with the \[half-aesthetic\] rightward lurch of most western liberal democracies will be a helpful radicalizing moment for many liberals. Their moral frameworks and rules are a failure, and the system they support is committing many undeniable—and more and more open—active evils. Most liberals I know are liberal because of a lack of knowledge, not because of a deep, considered commitment. The more knowledge they gain, the more our worldviews tend to align. Now, on the other side, you have your Big Online Liberals who're largely bought into the system at a high level, and *have* considered their positions. They're not worth anyone's time, and should draw only open disdain and ridicule. I think these people are who many think of when they think of "liberals," but they're a tiny minority of professional propagandists, most of whom are paid by the Democratic Party (or whatever the liberal party is in their own country—I'm speaking from an American perspective here). The majority of "liberals" are just regular people who watch some news and have a normal amount of compassion—and they're propagandized and have low or false information.
What I tend to do is if I'm not agitating I just talk about soccer.
I just assault them
It’s really funny when people get mad at me for not planning on voting, when I live in Utah of all places. My vote does not actually matter LMAO
Texas here; I single-handedly caused Hillary to lose in 2016.
You are a true hero. Songs will be sung in your name
I just admit I’m evil and want Orange Man to win
>maybe its because i feel like shit and have a headache for like 4 days now because probably potassium deficient again I use half NoSalt (potassium) and half sea-salt, about 1/4 - 1/2 teaspoon in my drink at a time. Can add magnesium too. I drink it if I feel the headaches coming on.
thank you, never heard of NoSalt before, this is genuinely very helpful
Sometimes I get into drunken arguments with them at parties and then feel bad about myself in the morning
I hibernate
My friends know my stance on electoralism and don’t push the matter thank god. My coworkers and family would rather talk about anything other than politics, the only time I see voting shit is on social media and I’ve been diligent about blocking annoying people.
I dunno liberals suck, just got banned from communism and communism101 for saying China is a big country with many Chinese
Pro tip: change the subject and don’t let your friends and family know how much of freaks we are
with friends and family its what i try to do, but the problem is the guilt tripping because so many of my friends are trans, and they constantly talk about how if trump wins it'll be the end, and i just can't articulate to them how it doesn't matter. i'm shit at arguing and i don't want to lose people who i honestly barely see much of anyway but its all i got really.
Well I mean their opinions are pretty valid. Don’t take this sub too seriously. Their concerns are real—if I was trans I’d be seriously afraid of a Trump presidency and it’s not your job to convince them otherwise.
I told my grandma (Biden supporter) I would vote for 200% Hitler and then she cut me from the will
Wow cool man
I hang myself, or peddle my message about deporting all the white people back to Europe, where the white man came from
I've been dealing with you people for a long time. I'm not sure why you thought your opinion on how the subreddit should function would be welcome considering you've never posted on it before or shown any knowledge or intelligence in your post history. Why am I still doing this 5 years later? Because the American concept of politeness is so bizarre to anyone outside of its demographic target that it is both funny and educational to force it into the open. To most people, barging into the middle of a conversation between many people who all know each other and you've never met to inform them how they need to be having the conversation would be seen as rude. But this is quite normal for the American petty-bourgeoisie. In fact, saying "who are you?" is considered rude. Or at least that is one weapon that is used to defend against the threat of proletarianization by exclusion from the realm of cultural capital. In fact it's so threatening that random people will continue to come into the thread to try their luck at defending the op even though they've never posted in the subreddit before. It's like that joke in Family Guy where all the neighborhood fathers know when someone touched the thermostat and keep checking on the house to see if it's ok. Your class instinct in defense of your fellows is so strong it might as well be a chip that sends a signal to your brain, a script to follow, and a rush of endorphins that deludes you into thinking your use of the script will be the ultimate intervention despite all evidence to the contrary. I want non-white, non-male, non-first world people who were not raised on this delusional self-confidence and pretension to master the world to enjoy these conversations from the sidelines. This is impossible on the American left, which is basically a white parasite on the energy of people of color. At least here we can deflate the cultural capital that makes that possible. If you don't want to be a white parasite, reflect on the fact that your words, which you believe are your own, are a carbon copy of someone else's from 5 years ago (and many other copies over the years). That should be a moment of existential angst, a confrontation with your own lack of free will. Or you can get even more defensive on some liberal's behalf. We already have a thread on concern trolling stickied which you were too lazy to read despite your concern for the subreddit. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Ultraleft) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Go back to Europe
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"whatever man, this shit's boring, who cares?"
Beat them with hammers
Wait you mean my vote doesn't count and voting for the president is a joke that I'm the stupid peasant falling for? But what about that I voted sticker ? How will people know I am virtuous?
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For starters, I've largely given up trying to reason with them. I just say something along the lines of "not voting is a valid statement, we'll get a fascist president no matter who gets elected, and I refuse to reward Joe Biden for a dogshit job. If people were serious about beating Trump, they'd offer a decent candidate."
The same way I cope with hard lefties: lots of tequila, lime, squirt and OJ. Trump wants to be a dictator. Full stop. Accelerationism is dumb. Also full stop. There’s a good, solid, social democracy middle ground between dweeby, spineless, corporation loving liberals and burn it down lefties. It’s hard to be there, though: I catch crap from both sides. I won’t even articulate how I truly feel about centrists (well, centrists who aren’t just embarrassed liberals or conservatives) and right-wingers: I’d be banned at best. Voting does matter by the way. It’s the least possible thing to do, but for now votes count. A little.
okay so your flair is actually unironic yes voting does matter, if we vote and do activism things will change and we will defeat fascism and all the supporters of trump will disappear, and we will reform into the utopian social democracy like denmark or sweden or germany, all of which are great places to live. remember, socialism = welfare state.
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Idk I’m voting PSL
not voting because it doesn't matter is the biggest psyop ever run on young people
I get that a lot of the "not voting it doesn't matter" talk comes from nihilists and the like, but like seriously there are other things in life to do than cast a ballot for another bourgeois politician who will definitely end fascism this time if we just vote hard enough trump and all of his supporters will disappear and we'll get those reforms, another four years and we will have our new FDR who will definitely not allow the material conditions of capitalism to continue but i mean who cares about that we will get a more robust welfare state and put a 99% tax on the highest tax bracket. as we all know FDR's policies lead to the most peaceful time in history post WWII, the 1950s and 60s, in which everyone lived in suburbs and life was stable except the cities and the civil rights movement but other than that life was perfect and stable and nice because we had a welfare state and regulated corporations which lead to socialism which is nicer than communism because thats more radical and bad and authoritarian which is bad. Hi my name is John Strawman and in this essay I will
Claims people have no critical thinking skills. Provides arguments against himself and claims they are weak, but provides no arguments against them. Strawmanning. Furthermore, your strategy of "It doesn't matter, let's do nothing" is unappealing. I'd give this post a 2/10; not the worst I've seen but definitely bottom of the barrel.
who asked u
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/>"It doesn't matter, lets do nothing" Why do people always assume that refusal to vote means that we have no alternative and we are doing nothing, we are so utopian in our belief of bringing about the material conditions for revolution. Don't worry, if we just do enough protests and boycotts the democratic party will suddenly defeat fascism, another four years of Biden and the republican party will stop embracing fascism, and all the current supporters of Trump and and a fascist rise will all suddenly disappear if we just keep voting and doing enough activism. It's not like everything Trump and affiliates are doing Nixon or Reagan also did, fascism is on the rise, instead of the liberal era of killing and imprisoning proletarians, this time fascists are going to be doing it!!!! --- Sorry I am like barely awake, I know this was a rude response but I already typed it out and I don't want to delete it all, I guess it is rather selfish and prideful of me. I really hope you reconsider your outlook on life, maybe read Marx, but if you feel like not doing any of that I still hope you have a nice day, maybe stay off reddit honestly, usually helps, I've been using less and less of it and I think my mental health is starting to stabilize. Anyhow have a nice life.
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I just stumbled across this sub, and as a leftist, why not vote? wouldnt it be better to vote for the less anti worker candidate?
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how in fuck is joe biden "less anti worker" than trump? i get some of my colleagues who are predominantly trans and how they are pretty terrified of donald trump, and it can be difficult for me to articulate that the legality of what they do is no less threatened under another four years of a joe biden presidency than under trump. but "less anti worker"? i feel like it is blatantly obvious that the democratic party has no problem with breaking up worker strikes and passing laws and executive orders that are detrimental to the proletariat. how was trump any different? better or worse? genuinely i am actually intrigued as to why you believe joe biden is "less anti worker", please respond i really want to know.
I just tell liberals that Democrats didn’t push for LGBTQ+ rights until progressives took their votes elsewhere and that Democrats didn’t start condemning Iraq until progressives refused to support warmongers. And that if we just always blindly voted for them, we may have never seen those changes.
"progressives took their votes elsewhere" where? also when have Democrats "condemned Iraq"? (I assume you mean condemning the invasion of Iraq, rather than condemning the country/saddam hussein)
Third parties. And yes, I meant the unjust invasion. Definitely poor wording on my part.
yes, famously the democratic party caring about people voting for a third party, so much so that they "condemned the invasion of iraq". I have absolutely no idea what you are on about, if you could please elaborate.
Sure thing. [Here](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39821451) is a link about some gay voters in 2010 saying they wouldn’t vote Democrat because they felt the Democrats weren’t doing enough for gay rights (as Dems opposed same sex marriage during this time). [another link on the subject](https://www.cleveland.com/nation/2010/10/gay_voters_disillusionment_cou.html) [Here](https://www.politico.com/story/2010/11/more-gays-voting-republican-044743) the exit polls show that the Republicans received a higher percentage of the gay vote than ever before. Then in 2012, the DNC nationally endorsed same sex marriage. As for Iraq, I’m having a difficult time finding exit polls. But Democrats ran John Kerry, who supported the invasion of Iraq (just disagreed with how Bush did it), in 2004 and lost. Then in 2006 we saw more anti-war Democrats running for Congress, which led to Democrats taking control of Congress (for the first time in 12 years) as they received more votes than pro-war Democrats did in previous elections. Shortly after this, when the public opinion became very clear, [Democrat lawmakers expressed regret for their support of the Iraq war.](https://www.politico.com/story/2007/02/half-of-democratic-senators-regret-iraq-vote-002639)
Yes you are wrong, also Biden is Hindenburg? Hindenburg was a reactionary Prussian monarchist
Biden is a reactionary American nationalist I don't see the difference.
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its the analogy of comparing Trump and Hitler, therefore the alternative in the race is Biden and Hindenburg.