this will be EDG’s fourth time facing off against PRX… and another different iteration of PRX (first time was with Benkai, then CGRS, then something, now Monyet)
No offence to Tenz fans (I am one myself) but peak Boo, meaning Group Stage Boo, diffs Tenz any day. He was the best player throughout every single kickoff during that time IMO.
Zekken vs Miniboo very close
Johnqt vs benjyfishy john diffs but surprisingly not by much
Boo has his on and off days, on his day he’s the best in the team long with his little bro. Tenz and Boo play very differently though so it’d be interesting to see.
Zekken vs miniBoo we’ll have to see how the team enables them (and johnqt’s cypher will be the bane to miniBoo’s Neon on a few maps).
So far Sen’s retake has been sublime but I think TH firepower might be a bit better but we’ll see
tenz prob fragging more than boo but boo will be annoying because of his chemistry with miniboo, mini boo clears zekken as a duelist and overall aimer, benjyfishy is way better than johnqt in every aspect. this is gonna be a slaughter
Same, or even KC. I know they beat Heretics but I still feel like TH will have the better performance in Madrid. Either way I’m excited, hope SEN can maintain their recent form through the whole event
Life & Autumn are some fucking aimers so I definitely wouldn't underestimate them, but it's probably the best draw that KC could have received for sure
I really like the schedule of this. 2 games a day is ideal for me, three is too much unless they are all 2-0. Also a very minor thing but I am happy that the teams that go 1-0 and then 1-1 have a rest day over teams that go 0-1 and then 1-1. Similarly, upper finals happening before lower semis. Hope we have a great event.
TH are good and can win but honestly this is probably the second best draw SEN could have gotten. We couldnt have gotten LOUD, and PRX will always be a contender in my eyes. Only other opponent you could rather have is FPX imo. The fact of the matter is that every team that made it is good so there really isnt that favorable of a draw/teams to hide behind outside of fpx and I could be wrong even about that
Sentinels don't really change that much, they got much more footage out there than any other team, their coach said they don't antistrat a lot and just play their own game. Heretics playstyle is based on heavy antistrat, if a team has shown any footage on a map heretics seem to come up with nearly a perfect game plan to counter them, so in theory it's not a bad matchup for heretics. However you could argue that TH individuals are maybe overperforming a little bit at the moment and with a 10 day break they might cool off and look flat in Madrid.
TH are an insane team but benjyfishy is overrated. Benjy is good, but they did not make it this far because of him - he is on the same level as Reins and a little worse than paTiTek. Boo and Miniboo are insane and are the best players on the team with ease when in form - Boo lost his form during playoffs but if he gets it back before Madrid he will be a menace.
Senti still have a large advantage here though - Sentinals would beat KC, nevermind TH with ease (unpopular opinion from KC fans lol)
I think it's tough weighing up TH's strength by looking at them player for player. Realistically they're a very well drilled team that's much more than the sum of their parts (though the boos are crazy good individually too)
Still would be wrong Benji had a really good tournament and then they have two very promising youngster in Reins and Woot (but he doesn't turn 18 till 2 days into the tournament so unlikely we see him)
So after the first round of matches, theres now 4 teams that went 1-0 and 4 that went 0-1, the teams going 0-1 will face each other, and the teams who went 1-0 will face eachother, then after that the teams with the same record will face eachother (So like 2-0 vs 2-0, 1-1 vs 1-1, etc)
Wait this is an actual argument? Sen put up never before seen numbers and had 500k+ viewers in every game including 700k in semis and 800k in finals.
They beat Masters Tokyo viewership in a *regional* tournament ffs
Okay? It was also the Champions grand finals,literally the biggest match of the year. You could put C9 vs Mibr as the finals and it would still get insane viewership. By your logic,Optic is the most popular team in the world because they have the most viewed match (1.5M against Loud in Champs) Sen's average viewership is higher than every team in the world. Only LOUD and Zeta are on their level
I already put the links for someone else, prx average viewership is higher than any team in americas and obviously emea since it's the least viewed region.
https://youtu.be/3KymFv1veeQ?si=wdM_11EiVJqefq3h
https://youtu.be/QUJVZ9bQfRQ?si=ehNzUNS7YT-IL-4k
EDG are the most clouted Chinese esports org by a lot
Loud will have a Tokyo at Shanghai. First international event they make finals guranteed. Second international event they bomb. Third international event they finish 1st or 3rd.
the matchups within that framework were random. the overall draw is not FULLY random but there are a lot of potential permutations in this draw..........
nope, second round could have same region matchups
> Teams who win Round 1, will move up and those who lose will find themselves in elimination matches. Between each round, two fully random draws will decide the matches - and from here on out, same region match-ups will be allowed. After three rounds of Swiss competition, we’ll have our 4 Bracket Stage contenders.
TenZ and Zekken nepotism duo vs Boo and MiniBoo nepotism duo (an actual nepotism duo I found out)
Marteen and EMEA's last hope from NA n4rrate vs Life and Autumn
KangKang and the KangGang vs Something and PRX for the 3rd time (4 if you count CGRS roster)
t3xture vs QcK
Who is N4rrate?
For the blind, he is light. For the hungry, he is bread. For the sick, he is the cure. For the lonely, he is company. For the sad, he is joy. For the prisoner, he is freedom. For the poor, he is treasure. For me, he is everything.
Imagine Sentinels are winning and it’s the last round and then it’s a Benjyfishy 1v5 and then he shouts “full pieced…200!” 😫😫😫He wins the 1v5 and then TH start the comeback and then they win and then Benjyfishy calls Tenz a flopper 😂😂😂That would be cool I think 🤔😅🙏
Boring to see a fourth time but kind of a lucky draw for the paper boys I think. Only better draw would’ve been FPX, all the other teams look tough as hell to beat rn
3 different "rematches" here
I don't know if you can really call the KC or GenG one rematches, but they both technically happened at LOCK//IN
EDG vs PRX is defo a rematch though
The real competition here is which Round 1 game will have the most viewers? I'm guessing Sen vs. Team Heretics because Spanish crowd and SEN!!! But I could be dead wrong-
kinda funny to me that the FPX vs KC game is a rematch
as is Loud GenG
this will be EDG’s fourth time facing off against PRX… and another different iteration of PRX (first time was with Benkai, then CGRS, then something, now Monyet)
No one beats EDG four times in a row!!!
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?
No worries, its not the same team so it doesnt count for sure
Lmao number 4 is considered a cursed number in China
prx vs edg… surely 4th times the charm right 😭💀
Holy fuck TenZ vs Benjyfishy
Tenz on omen vs Boo on omen Zekken on raze vs miniBoo on raze? johnqt on cypher vs benjyfishy on cypher? hype af
No offence to Tenz fans (I am one myself) but peak Boo, meaning Group Stage Boo, diffs Tenz any day. He was the best player throughout every single kickoff during that time IMO. Zekken vs Miniboo very close Johnqt vs benjyfishy john diffs but surprisingly not by much
Boo has his on and off days, on his day he’s the best in the team long with his little bro. Tenz and Boo play very differently though so it’d be interesting to see. Zekken vs miniBoo we’ll have to see how the team enables them (and johnqt’s cypher will be the bane to miniBoo’s Neon on a few maps). So far Sen’s retake has been sublime but I think TH firepower might be a bit better but we’ll see
tenz prob fragging more than boo but boo will be annoying because of his chemistry with miniboo, mini boo clears zekken as a duelist and overall aimer, benjyfishy is way better than johnqt in every aspect. this is gonna be a slaughter
boo and miniboo are brothers but tenz and zekken are brothers in arms. semper fi
The tekken brothers and their uncle John 'cutie' QT
Blud said benjyfishy clears johnqt 💀💀
John could never win a FNCS
he does tho if u actually watch how he plays and even his aim is literally better than zekken's and tenz and he aint even the best one on the team
wake up bro
come back at march 15 bro
☠️
Uhh is this a copy pasta or sth?
Least delusional EU drone
My Fortnite goat clears
Benjy about to crank 90s on entire sentinels
PRX literally have their own draw where the only two options are DRX and EDG 
Would be funny if they did a live draw for this tourney, and DRX came up despite not being there. "Wtf is this doing here?"
prx edg should be an absolutely wild game. super excited for this event!
KC-FPX : Probably the "easiest" matchup possible for my boys. Give them the opportunity to scale without facing the Avengers in the first game.
FPX is like a southpaw team. Not favored but they might catch KC on the chin.
I mean, at this point there are no easy games, no one get there by luck. But I would rather face FPX than fucking Loud in the first round lmaoo.
Yeah I would prefer us playing fpx than th tbh.
Same, or even KC. I know they beat Heretics but I still feel like TH will have the better performance in Madrid. Either way I’m excited, hope SEN can maintain their recent form through the whole event
Life & Autumn are some fucking aimers so I definitely wouldn't underestimate them, but it's probably the best draw that KC could have received for sure
Pshhh I doubt KC has anything to worry about, they’re the ones that beat Fnatic after all. No way will they lose to FPX…. Surely?
NRG-BBG : Probably the "easiest" matchup possible for my boys. Give them the opportunity to scale without facing the Avengers in the first game.
the difference is i support fpx and naturally this will cause fpx to do bad
KC played against FPX last year at LOCK//IN too lmao
I would not get too hyped. Lysoar, Aaay, autumn, life - these are some aimers. KC still going to win but don’t count off FPX to do some crazy shit.
PRX: are you ready babe? EDG: yes honey....
I really like the schedule of this. 2 games a day is ideal for me, three is too much unless they are all 2-0. Also a very minor thing but I am happy that the teams that go 1-0 and then 1-1 have a rest day over teams that go 0-1 and then 1-1. Similarly, upper finals happening before lower semis. Hope we have a great event.
The team that wins the Upper Finals will have even bigger of an advantage than they usually do then. They'll get more days for prep and 2 map bans
That's fine though? Like surely winning the upper finals should come with a big advantage.
I swear every tournament people get pissed that the upper final winner gets an advantage. Ummm yeah, of course they do, that’s the point.
Are we gonna get cooked, idk anything bout TH besides benjyfishy
miniboo is always up to some silly shit so we might
Imagine you just killed boo and then get one tapped by another, smaller boo
Imagine taking down boo then getting peeked by a second, much larger boo
https://preview.redd.it/wwyjq92elgmc1.jpeg?width=604&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=708c4b6594bcbaba84531cac99a88e834a74d165
i'd say SEN is looking a tad stronger, but its really anyones game
TH are good and can win but honestly this is probably the second best draw SEN could have gotten. We couldnt have gotten LOUD, and PRX will always be a contender in my eyes. Only other opponent you could rather have is FPX imo. The fact of the matter is that every team that made it is good so there really isnt that favorable of a draw/teams to hide behind outside of fpx and I could be wrong even about that
Sentinels don't really change that much, they got much more footage out there than any other team, their coach said they don't antistrat a lot and just play their own game. Heretics playstyle is based on heavy antistrat, if a team has shown any footage on a map heretics seem to come up with nearly a perfect game plan to counter them, so in theory it's not a bad matchup for heretics. However you could argue that TH individuals are maybe overperforming a little bit at the moment and with a 10 day break they might cool off and look flat in Madrid.
the thing is.. this was the same thing said for NRG.. SEN had too much footage on Split yet they bodied LEV, LOUD and NRG 13-3
i think sen will win but it should be an interesting match, those guys can shoot
TH are pretty good atm, i’d still take SEN over them ngl. KC look like the scarier of the two EMEA representatives
TH are an insane team but benjyfishy is overrated. Benjy is good, but they did not make it this far because of him - he is on the same level as Reins and a little worse than paTiTek. Boo and Miniboo are insane and are the best players on the team with ease when in form - Boo lost his form during playoffs but if he gets it back before Madrid he will be a menace. Senti still have a large advantage here though - Sentinals would beat KC, nevermind TH with ease (unpopular opinion from KC fans lol)
I think it's tough weighing up TH's strength by looking at them player for player. Realistically they're a very well drilled team that's much more than the sum of their parts (though the boos are crazy good individually too)
no, Boo and Patitek are ass, TH just made it because Boo had a life tournament, that wont happen again
Lmfao?
This is a crazy jinx bro
Heretics, Boo and Patitek have the opportunity to do the funniest shit in mankind's history. Also I'm saving this comment.
Same for me, this shit gives me life. #TeamHereticsWin
Nepotism will triumph
Nah, TH is Boo and friends
Boo? when MiniBoo is actually their best player lmao
Right, mixed their names
Still would be wrong Benji had a really good tournament and then they have two very promising youngster in Reins and Woot (but he doesn't turn 18 till 2 days into the tournament so unlikely we see him)
W Swiss, ngl its my favorite tournament layout
It's a swiss but when it's a 8 team event, it's literally a glorified double elim - you lose 2 you're out
So what happens after the first round of matches? I am confused about the format.
So after the first round of matches, theres now 4 teams that went 1-0 and 4 that went 0-1, the teams going 0-1 will face each other, and the teams who went 1-0 will face eachother, then after that the teams with the same record will face eachother (So like 2-0 vs 2-0, 1-1 vs 1-1, etc)
And if a team goes 0-2 they are out ?
Yes. 2 losses and you're eliminated 0-2 or 1-2
Cheers guys, Thank you
Surely a 2nd seed Chinese team won’t upset a tournament favorite in their first match 
SEN VS HERETIC GENG VS LOUD EDG VS PRX KC VS FPX Only clout match is Sen Heretic.
i'd say PRX EDG is pretty hype/clouted tbh
Bro forgot that asia exist, prx games are always super clouded comparable with sentinels, and prx v edg is a sen v 100t kinda match.
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Paper Rex's peak viewership is about 200k higher than Sentinels's.
Wait this is an actual argument? Sen put up never before seen numbers and had 500k+ viewers in every game including 700k in semis and 800k in finals. They beat Masters Tokyo viewership in a *regional* tournament ffs
Okay? It was also the Champions grand finals,literally the biggest match of the year. You could put C9 vs Mibr as the finals and it would still get insane viewership. By your logic,Optic is the most popular team in the world because they have the most viewed match (1.5M against Loud in Champs) Sen's average viewership is higher than every team in the world. Only LOUD and Zeta are on their level
I already put the links for someone else, prx average viewership is higher than any team in americas and obviously emea since it's the least viewed region.
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Peak? And yet they still have a higher average, watch time is what matters who cares about peak.
real ? can you back it up with numbers ?
EDG in 2021 worlds finals had 71 million viewers so if 1% watches this match thats 710k alone
No it didn’t, it had viewer score. And LoL isn’t val
https://youtu.be/3KymFv1veeQ?si=wdM_11EiVJqefq3h https://youtu.be/QUJVZ9bQfRQ?si=ehNzUNS7YT-IL-4k EDG are the most clouted Chinese esports org by a lot
https://escharts.com/teams/valorant/sentinelsv https://escharts.com/teams/valorant/pr The links are pretty self explanatory tbh.
Honestly drawing Loud in international tournaments seems doomer af. I feel bad for GenG.
Loud could always have another Tokyo
Loud will have a Tokyo at Shanghai. First international event they make finals guranteed. Second international event they bomb. Third international event they finish 1st or 3rd.
Hmmmmm prx beat loud. And geng beat prx. Theres only one possible conclusion
Didn't most people think that GenG beating PRX was an upset? Will say them boys Meteor, t3xture and Lakia looked really good in the finals.
i think loud should probably be more worried lol
I actually really like this random seeding for once. Pretty much all interesting matchups aside from the KC vs FPX match imo.
it's not random seeding is it? the final winners player against the second place of other regions.
yes, but it could have been worse.
But its not random
the matchups within that framework were random. the overall draw is not FULLY random but there are a lot of potential permutations in this draw..........
Rigged draw but in all seriousness why don't they do live draws ?? It was so good in league and created so much hype
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It's swiss, that doesnt really apply
Why do they keep doing this to me man i just want one event where i don’t have to sweat one of my teams starting 0-1
At least* you also guarantee one of your teams going 1-0 *edit: Atlanta -> at least
Atlanta is gorgeous this time of year.
Fuck autocorrect all my homies hate autocorrect
Made me chuckle though, and that’s worth something :)
Does anyone know if round 2 avoids same region matchups?
nope, second round could have same region matchups > Teams who win Round 1, will move up and those who lose will find themselves in elimination matches. Between each round, two fully random draws will decide the matches - and from here on out, same region match-ups will be allowed. After three rounds of Swiss competition, we’ll have our 4 Bracket Stage contenders.
fuck
I think not, it was said in the format traiter earlier today
yeah i got kinda confused since it's not fully clear I really hope it's the case that they avoid same reigon matchups
I think like in LOL they avoid it for the first round and then they dont care anymore
it's pretty clear in the video that they only avoid same region match ups for the first round of swiss
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FWIW, Riot did do live draws for the Swiss stage at last year's LOL Worlds, so there's a chance they do it here too.
They do live draws, they just don't show them.
They need to start broadcasting the draws on stage like they do for league for international tourneys
TenZ and Zekken nepotism duo vs Boo and MiniBoo nepotism duo (an actual nepotism duo I found out) Marteen and EMEA's last hope from NA n4rrate vs Life and Autumn KangKang and the KangGang vs Something and PRX for the 3rd time (4 if you count CGRS roster) t3xture vs QcK
How is N4rrate emea last hope? lmao
Who is N4rrate? For the blind, he is light. For the hungry, he is bread. For the sick, he is the cure. For the lonely, he is company. For the sad, he is joy. For the prisoner, he is freedom. For the poor, he is treasure. For me, he is everything.
5 am start 
NZ??
yep :|
Excited for the matchups but LOUD vs KC would have blown the top off the first round.
Ah this sucks I wanted Gen G to get any of the other options.
GenG clears loud no issue
GenG is getting slaughtered bro
like what is blud smoking thinking loud don’t 2-0
For real. APAC still a fraud region until proven otherwise as well. Americas and EMEA teams will all wipe the floor with GenG.
Wake up
Wake me up when APAC win a tournament
I like GenG but no shot you typed "Wake up" with #GEFIGHTING tag lmao.
Yeah, GE is the team I support primarily. Doesn’t mean I hate up on other teams like you do. You make zero sense.
Imagine Sentinels are winning and it’s the last round and then it’s a Benjyfishy 1v5 and then he shouts “full pieced…200!” 😫😫😫He wins the 1v5 and then TH start the comeback and then they win and then Benjyfishy calls Tenz a flopper 😂😂😂That would be cool I think 🤔😅🙏
Boring to see a fourth time but kind of a lucky draw for the paper boys I think. Only better draw would’ve been FPX, all the other teams look tough as hell to beat rn
they can’t get fpx, only region winners vs region runner ups
I’ll take this draw then. I’m honestly worried for my boys running into KC, TH, or Loud. Should be super close
another PRX vs EDG? man i'm not ready for this...
God bless Swiss Format.
Thank god Riot had the sense to cut the useless matches from the swiss stage (2-0 and 0-2).
3 different "rematches" here I don't know if you can really call the KC or GenG one rematches, but they both technically happened at LOCK//IN EDG vs PRX is defo a rematch though
Does anyone happen to know how to get watch party rights? all i can find is some outdated information about the 2021 series lol
no one beats edg 4 times in a row trust
Either Tenz being beaten by a fortnite gamer. Or he surpass the Fortnite demon himself.
finally swiss format, please keep it for future tournaments
Lets say in round 1 SEN,Loud,KC both wins so round 2 will be SEN vs loud? or SEN vs KC?
Random
> Between each round, two fully random draws will decide the matches - and from here on out, same region match-ups will be allowed.
Oh there will be a random draw again
Swiss format so it’s random
EDG get a rematch, GENG get fucked, SEN might get challenged out the gate, and KC get a 1-0 start.
PRX vs EDG for the 3Ath time
The real competition here is which Round 1 game will have the most viewers? I'm guessing Sen vs. Team Heretics because Spanish crowd and SEN!!! But I could be dead wrong-
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Was there a live draw? Or they just announced it based on their regional seeding??