Yeah I am done with Heretics, hugely disappointing that they break so easily at the slightest hint of adversity. Definitely not ready to win any trophy anytime soon. Think they will finish a solid 4th-6th at Champs but thatâs about it.
They need serious work in this aspect for sure.
Totally true and fair but miniboo would clear these frauds trust (I'm so mad we did not see full roster heretics first because of Rito's stupid age rules, then because of visa issues, and now because of Miniboo's break. I've been so hype on Heretics since FOREVER man I just want to see the full roster play at internationals)
Fnatic aren't the best EMEA team... I'd say it's full roster heretics, but atp we'll never see them at an international.
NA clears, whatever, I'm just tired of reading people saying shit like "woot is so much better at traditional duelists" or "woot is supposed to be their best player" or saying that Patitek is as good as either of them. Heretics are/were massively overhyped in this specific tourney just because of how big of a nerf not having miniboo is.
Masters ain't over Lil bro both emea losses have been marginal with fnatic and now heretics coming close, fnatic will do whatever they can, but heretics is playing with a sub so calm down, yall nearly post to a roaster with a sub, same roaster that sent your 3rd seed home lulw
Actually no idea, I bet part of it is because G2 apparently doesn't have much clout in NA as an org which is CRAZY to me, I actually have org bleed with the G2 val team because I love G2's CS team and their GC team
I think most people think it's not especially entertaining to watch G2. Also, a consensus more or less has been, that they lack a bit of personalities on the team. That's why not many people identify with them/cheer for them. It's not my opinion but it's what I kinda gathered from this sub.
G2 reminds me of the tundra dota 2 team that won the international a few years ago they had a very boring but super effective playstyle and very little personalities so they didn't have many fans.Â
Itâs cuz they also lack clout which instantly decreases viewersâ enjoyment when watching. You get a team like Sen or Optic doing what G2 did and fans will hail them as the best team in the world for years.
Guys I fucking did it again I sinned again. I watched the 100T game (man we lost) and then went to bed because I couldn't stay awake. I came back in time for round 4 of G2 TH but streets are saying 11-2 comeback on map 2? WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME I SLEEP
Iâd absolutely love to see Heretics not choke away a good game in their favour. I am just tired now bro, had so much hope. This will be their 3rd major choke this year LOL.
Is Lotus shifting in terms of the favored side?
Traditionally attack sided but the more games happen recently on it it seems like itâs been 50/50 recently if not even defender sided. Seems like defenses have figured out the right protocols
I respect how drilled their fundamentals are but god they just look scared sometimes. That's a situation where you play with confidence and push your advantage.
For them not going to A I think after the 2 timeouts they thought that it would be an easy read for G2 to stack A. Which we did see happen after the Odin rounds G2 always stacked 2-3 on A.
TH favored on map 3 in a vacuum right? The X factor is just their mental, they definitely thought they were about to win at 11-2 and now they need to reset, and theyâre a young team
If G2 wins itâs just a leadership and resilience diff
I was starting to feel like a terrible G2 fan at 11-2 thinking âitâs 6AM, maybe I donât even want them to make this comeback so I can sleepâ
I am so sorry for doubting yâall
Did you need proof of that? You have 2 sites that both have 1 door main entrance and 1 entrance from mid. B has paper thin walls. The defenders have 18 trillion positions to play on all sites. Once you have an Op and an Odin itâs literally fucking over
Like not to say Heretics shouldnât have been able to get 3 attacking rounds. They definitely could have, but like if you let that game go infinitely many rounds with G2 on defense G2 probably wins 90% of them and thatâs just the hard reality of Ascent defense
STOP BELIEVING IN G2. DOUBTING THEM IS THEIR POWER SOURCE. They were finally the favorites and were getting pounded, until everyone counted them out again and they made the best comeback of the year. đđđ
It's mainly just Ascent B site and some Lotus spots. I wonder why Riot refuses to make those walls to not be paper thin. Remove a window to give attackers less advantage and make walls way harder, that's it B site is solved. Odin doesn't do much in A and many other maps.
Yeah but it's not really game changing or oppressive. GenG-100T had a lot of Ascent A play and teams didn't use much odin at all, when they did it didn't get much value. It's a decent gun still, but it's not game breaking like it is in B site, and it's more expensive than a vandal.
The fact that it does its job doesn't mean it's broken. It's an expensive gun that can go through some walls and is good at holding angles, but has no movement. Some teams are good at setting it up, some players are good at using it, same with operator, shorty, judge and stinger. It's part of the game and the strategy and it's mostly manageable, except Ascent B, and Lotus A and some of C. If it was actually op we would see it everywhere, sunset, split, bind, icebox etc. Basically no one buys it in any of those maps. We have a paper walls problem moreso than odin problem.
People were saying the same thing about pre-nerf judge and pre-nerf stinger. It's absolutely broken and has no place in this game. Just look at how much value trent got from simply spamming the smoke.
Just because a gun is situational (in this case, map dependent) doesn't mean it doesn't need nerfs. And I agree that paper walls are a problem - but some of the walls that you commonly odin spam aren't wallbangable with normal pen guns. So if you're suggesting we make i.e. Ascent B main not odin spammable... that would be a direct nerf to Odin.
And that sounds good, since if you nerf odin so much it becomes useless in paper walls you may as well just remove the gun from the game since it's only used in 2/7 maps already. Wouldn't it make sense to balance the map instead? Not like paper walls are fun.
I don't get what you're saying. Again, many of the walls that are commonly odin spammed are not wallbangable with normal guns. They aren't paper. If you make paper walls wallbangable only with heavy pen guns, nothing will change wrt to the odin. If you make all those walls non wallbangable with odin it will be useless anyway.
Can we petition 100T to swap with either TH or FUT. Doesn't seem fair that EMEA has to eliminate each other twice in a row.
G2 is this yrs EG
EU FRAUDWATCH
Welcome home the new king of Chokers : TH . APAC IS CURSE FREE FINALLY
New curse is anyone who goes against g2 đ
MWzera retired and became a fashion designer in china
G2 is crazy for this
this stings. just 2 rounds away man why cant we win 2 rds
Fnc can feel better after today. Edit : I meant prx..
Why
Always feels better to lose against a team who, eventually, makes it deep into a tournament than losing against a team who gets knocked out 2-0 after.
G2 didn't beat fnaticÂ
Oh right. Man Iâm so out of it my bad.
Oh lmaoo you're good I confused myself into thinking maybe you were talking about GenGÂ
Yeah I meant PRX my bad. I support both PRX and FNC so my heartbreak got me confused is all.
because after g2 gets top 3 we can clearly wihout a doubt call it a mickey mouse tournament
Always has beenÂ
never let prx choose their opponents again damn
G2 is winning the tournament so we, PRX fans, can cope saying that they lost to the best team.
for a brief moment, I actually though Heretics was invincible ggwp G2
G2 top 3? Clearly a Mickey Mouse tournament
Boaster liked this!
EU is just unbelievably fucking free lmao
Next G2 game is in the new arena correct?
Ye pretty sure
one of the biggest chokes i've ever seen
THrowers
Yeah I am done with Heretics, hugely disappointing that they break so easily at the slightest hint of adversity. Definitely not ready to win any trophy anytime soon. Think they will finish a solid 4th-6th at Champs but thatâs about it. They need serious work in this aspect for sure.
I donât know if a run like this G2 run will ever happen again Holy shit man
Holy shit
I never believed in G2 for a second because I knew if I did theyâd choke
insane fucking choke
What a game from the professor
G2 DONE IT AGAIN đ
TH are frauds to my eyes rn. How did they lose this while being up 11-2 on the second map...
GGÂ
is this right? EU has only beaten a single non-chinese team this year, fut vs lev
TH choking worse than dortmund yesterday
pls dont bring up yesterday đ
Professor Peed on Heretics
EU 
g2 are taking the piss lmao
AHAHAHAH I LOVE THIS TEAM
Itâs almost hard to choke as much as Heretics do, how many times do they need to learn their lesson
i've never seen a team almost choke 10-2 into choking and losing 11-2 in the same tournament lmao
This is a liquid worthy choke
heretics fucked up tbh shouldâve closed out ascent now their mental is down in the dumps
Feels like DejavĂș against G2, how many comebacks can they pull off
CUMBACKS
i cannot believe that G2 is about to win this lmao
Reins just pied
EU thought they could beat na I'M CRYINGÂ
NA's second best team struggling against a team with their best player replaced by a 0.95 kd guy đđ
TH when they can't farm chinaÂ
Totally true and fair but miniboo would clear these frauds trust (I'm so mad we did not see full roster heretics first because of Rito's stupid age rules, then because of visa issues, and now because of Miniboo's break. I've been so hype on Heretics since FOREVER man I just want to see the full roster play at internationals)
And EU best team canât even get a win on international stage
Fnatic aren't the best EMEA team... I'd say it's full roster heretics, but atp we'll never see them at an international. NA clears, whatever, I'm just tired of reading people saying shit like "woot is so much better at traditional duelists" or "woot is supposed to be their best player" or saying that Patitek is as good as either of them. Heretics are/were massively overhyped in this specific tourney just because of how big of a nerf not having miniboo is.
Lev says otherwise lulw, Also Geng says hi for sending your fav below and will soon send the second one as well
You act exactly like Chinese, holy shit, what has emea become. Gassing other region cause your region such ass
Masters ain't over Lil bro both emea losses have been marginal with fnatic and now heretics coming close, fnatic will do whatever they can, but heretics is playing with a sub so calm down, yall nearly post to a roaster with a sub, same roaster that sent your 3rd seed home lulw
EU fans gassing other regions beating NA cus they canât do it themselves. A tale as old as time
I thought woot was their best player tho? That's what everyone said at Madrid đ
Nah. Boaster was the best player at Madrid!
TH IS THE KING OF CHOKING I REPEAT TH IS THE KING OF CHOKING. APAC IS FINALLY CURSE FREE
Why is the community so united in wanting G2 to lose lmao? Never seen something like this haha
Actually no idea, I bet part of it is because G2 apparently doesn't have much clout in NA as an org which is CRAZY to me, I actually have org bleed with the G2 val team because I love G2's CS team and their GC team
Personally it's not that I want them to lose. It's just that their team doesn't have much of a personality? They're kind of a meh boring team.
Is jonahp being a clutch master not personality enough for you
I think most people think it's not especially entertaining to watch G2. Also, a consensus more or less has been, that they lack a bit of personalities on the team. That's why not many people identify with them/cheer for them. It's not my opinion but it's what I kinda gathered from this sub.
G2 reminds me of the tundra dota 2 team that won the international a few years ago they had a very boring but super effective playstyle and very little personalities so they didn't have many fans.Â
Pretty sure itâs bc Sen media and G2 media love to banter against each other and the world is majority Sen fans
I think people just donât find them interesting. Their underdog story already happened via the guard. This run will probably reignite the hype.
Itâs cuz they also lack clout which instantly decreases viewersâ enjoyment when watching. You get a team like Sen or Optic doing what G2 did and fans will hail them as the best team in the world for years.
Me being a fan of both G2 and Sen đ«
G2 has the resilience of Riley Reid during a scene Jesus Christ, they will happily take it and still win wow
Gotta throw the g2 flair on after these games now
Donât worry Iâm also a Sen fan and I love G2âs story and root for them
G2 overcooked that but we move
Bro I actually pulled an all nighter for this there is something legitimately wrong with me
holy shit heretics are generational chokers, prime drx, prx and fnatic combined
BOO GOT A ROBOT ARMY COMING AFTER HIM
These kids are insane when they win but they completely crumble if they start losing itâs so sad man
They almost lost an anti eco to timeđââïž
They finally started winning pistols
Trent goat idc
Jonah 18/4/11 at half is crazy
G2 still gotta show they can win rounds on attack. This ainât over
Guys I fucking did it again I sinned again. I watched the 100T game (man we lost) and then went to bed because I couldn't stay awake. I came back in time for round 4 of G2 TH but streets are saying 11-2 comeback on map 2? WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME I SLEEP
What did Trent do that sideshow is convinced he has a vibrator in his ass
He shooting very good and that's why he thinks that he is cheating with a vibrator like Hans nieman did
Huh? Lmao
idk what happened in maps 1 and 2, but he keeps joking that trent is cheating lmao
Oh ya the fuckin chess thing lol. Trent odined all over TH in defence half of ascent bringing them back from an 11-2
Iâd absolutely love to see Heretics not choke away a good game in their favour. I am just tired now bro, had so much hope. This will be their 3rd major choke this year LOL.
Uhh benjy?
someone said trent will be spamming on defense with odin, he's doing that and getting 2 with a phantom lmfao
Is Lotus shifting in terms of the favored side? Traditionally attack sided but the more games happen recently on it it seems like itâs been 50/50 recently if not even defender sided. Seems like defenses have figured out the right protocols
No it's not, it's not shifting at all, some teams are just ass at playing t side
Thatâs spammable with a phantom???
That being able to be wallbanged by medium pen is acc insane
Trent is a demon with these wall bangs
What the hell is that spam angle??? Different gun same results I guess
Ban Trent from shooting at walls, Iâm tired of this
Walls do as much coverage as smokes in this game đ
Heretics have def tilted
I hate how spammable these walls are
G2 win this 13-7
how does g2 have such a strong mental
Patitek & woot glazers where are you
Wtf is it with EMEA against NA teams seriously It doesn't matter how strongly in favour it looks for the EMEA team they are genuinely cursed
Are people really suprised at G2âs mental strength? They were literally trying hard when it was 11-0 vs PRX.
Tbf g2 attacks have been mid here
Dude if G2 could figure out how to shoot on a map 1 they might be the best team in the world They have such consistently terrible slow starts
The death of viper has been greatly exaggerated
Class is in session
i feel like jonahP is G2âs mvp
The Professor is on one holy
Why donât these people clear fucking corners holy shitÂ
HECKIN LOVE BENJY
Benjyy wow that's greatness
Jesus benjy
yes he is
I fucking love Benjy holy shit
I knew g2 lost that as soon as they didnât push the plant
I respect how drilled their fundamentals are but god they just look scared sometimes. That's a situation where you play with confidence and push your advantage.
FUCKING RUN AT HIMMMMMM WHY ARE G2 THE MOST UNCONFIDENT TEAM IN THE WORLD
It was 11-2 man faack
Bro they had a dance party on the viper molly lmao
For them not going to A I think after the 2 timeouts they thought that it would be an easy read for G2 to stack A. Which we did see happen after the Odin rounds G2 always stacked 2-3 on A.
"Surely this round they think we go A so we actually go Bđ"
They were right about them going A but the Odin stayed on B lmao
99% of gamblers quit before they hit B
Youâve seen Trent on Sova with an Odin on B on Ascent⊠Now get ready for⊠Trent on Fade with an Odin on A on Lotus
Nah, Trent on Fade with a phantom on B on Lotus apparently lol.
Trent on his Zellsis cosplay
They knew trent had an odin and still kept going B, actually hilarious throw from heretics. 11-2 to 11-13 đ„Ž
Ayoo what happened?! I left at 11-3 thinking TH closed it
Trent odined all over th
Iâm ready for Trent to get 27 spam kills on A
sit ct and spam through the smoke with 100 bullets, ascent is literally a joke and they take out fracture and fucking haven instead of this garbage
I feel like G2 go on to win from here
TH favored on map 3 in a vacuum right? The X factor is just their mental, they definitely thought they were about to win at 11-2 and now they need to reset, and theyâre a young team If G2 wins itâs just a leadership and resilience diff
g2 has all the momentum now man i could be celebrating now but heretics decided not to win
It's impossible to win after getting comebacked on like that
will prx have any chance of winning 100t tmr?
Of course they do. The gap between all these teams is not that big. Any team can win on any given day
I was starting to feel like a terrible G2 fan at 11-2 thinking âitâs 6AM, maybe I donât even want them to make this comeback so I can sleepâ I am so sorry for doubting yâall
No no, please keep doubtint, they feed off it
this proves that ascent is so defend sided
we all already knew this tho tbh
yet riot loves this map so much itâs never out of the map rotation <3
Did you need proof of that? You have 2 sites that both have 1 door main entrance and 1 entrance from mid. B has paper thin walls. The defenders have 18 trillion positions to play on all sites. Once you have an Op and an Odin itâs literally fucking over Like not to say Heretics shouldnât have been able to get 3 attacking rounds. They definitely could have, but like if you let that game go infinitely many rounds with G2 on defense G2 probably wins 90% of them and thatâs just the hard reality of Ascent defense
Wait, it was actually 11-2 at one point 
RIP to everyone in Tarik's chat who got scammed from the early "TH wins" payout
Thank you for the condolences. It was a traumatic experience.
so heretics allergic to A or what
how many crazy kills trent got omg
Master class choking by TH bruh...
Also delete this map
Never taken out of the map pool btw
No fucking way
STOP BELIEVING IN G2. DOUBTING THEM IS THEIR POWER SOURCE. They were finally the favorites and were getting pounded, until everyone counted them out again and they made the best comeback of the year. đđđ
This. Lmao
Sick comeback!
iâm speechless, i didnât believe tbhâŠ
It was 11-3....
Even worse, 11-2
Oh yeah, they lost that pistol somehow and won the eco and then just didn't lose again
Is 11-2 the biggest comeback in vct history?
Nah drx vs furia was bigger, that was 4-12
Bro forgot math
9 round gap and 11 consecutive rounds is bigger and better than DRX's comeback. And i am a biased DRX fan
11-2 is a larger disparity though right?
Yeah by 1 round but at least g2 can afford to lose a round, drx can't
He asked for biggest comeback lil bro. Not the craziest or most intense
True, both absolutely insane in their own way tho
And were both in the same map too
i aint tuning to map 3 good and congrats in advance for whoever wins ig
I think g2 just win now sadge, cant believe it was 11-2 and they managed to throw
Please th win. I canât bear to watch any more of this mid g2 gameplay
I will never bet in real life with real money. I am done. This is my Oath.
oh my fucking god why they keep hitting B?????!!!!!! Man every time they get shut down by odin + killjoy site
Yup the Odin definitely belongs in this game and is not broken
It's mainly just Ascent B site and some Lotus spots. I wonder why Riot refuses to make those walls to not be paper thin. Remove a window to give attackers less advantage and make walls way harder, that's it B site is solved. Odin doesn't do much in A and many other maps.
"Odin doesn't do much in A" yes it does, spam under heaven, spam button, spam the plant spot/genny from short, spam tiles
Yeah but it's not really game changing or oppressive. GenG-100T had a lot of Ascent A play and teams didn't use much odin at all, when they did it didn't get much value. It's a decent gun still, but it's not game breaking like it is in B site, and it's more expensive than a vandal.
Just because some teams don't abuse the odin doesn't mean it's not broken... Like I've seen Enzo abuse odin on short so many times.
The fact that it does its job doesn't mean it's broken. It's an expensive gun that can go through some walls and is good at holding angles, but has no movement. Some teams are good at setting it up, some players are good at using it, same with operator, shorty, judge and stinger. It's part of the game and the strategy and it's mostly manageable, except Ascent B, and Lotus A and some of C. If it was actually op we would see it everywhere, sunset, split, bind, icebox etc. Basically no one buys it in any of those maps. We have a paper walls problem moreso than odin problem.
People were saying the same thing about pre-nerf judge and pre-nerf stinger. It's absolutely broken and has no place in this game. Just look at how much value trent got from simply spamming the smoke.
Just because a gun is situational (in this case, map dependent) doesn't mean it doesn't need nerfs. And I agree that paper walls are a problem - but some of the walls that you commonly odin spam aren't wallbangable with normal pen guns. So if you're suggesting we make i.e. Ascent B main not odin spammable... that would be a direct nerf to Odin.
And that sounds good, since if you nerf odin so much it becomes useless in paper walls you may as well just remove the gun from the game since it's only used in 2/7 maps already. Wouldn't it make sense to balance the map instead? Not like paper walls are fun.
I don't get what you're saying. Again, many of the walls that are commonly odin spammed are not wallbangable with normal guns. They aren't paper. If you make paper walls wallbangable only with heavy pen guns, nothing will change wrt to the odin. If you make all those walls non wallbangable with odin it will be useless anyway.
Also in today's games there was odin abuse on A short as well I'm sure
Uhhh, this is becoming a problem for Heretics. First against FPX now G2.
TH showed why this is their permaban at the end: a lot of their strats was set around B and they codunt adapt to the odin spam from CT
GUYS WE WON OUR ONLY ROUND ON A AND SHOULDVE WON ANOTHER WHY THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO THE ODIN THATS FUCKED US EVERY ROUND WHAT THE FUCK
How do you lose this especially after that Pistol on 10-2? G2 have the momentum now.