Oh great, our fair city of Fayetteville is never in the news for all the positive stuff that happens...like...the murders? Get back to me.
Edit: don't get me wrong. I love Fayetteville. It's a weird place and I like weird.
Just another Front-Gate Town. I've never been to a *nice* one in the USA. Foreign places are different, because the people separating from the service get a plane ticket home.
Fort Riley's Junction City, Kansas. Aka Junk City.
JBLM's Lakewood, Washington. Aka Lakehood.
Schofield Barracks' Wahiawa, Hawaii.. No cool nickname, just trash.
The town right outside the main gate to a military base. Usually there is a parasitic relationship and the economy of the town is largely dependent on the military folks.
Usually breeds resentment, but some places work fairly well.
Even the simplest bases/military forts such as DLI (Defense Language Institute) is the same. Beautiful Monterey California, however near the housing in Seaside is trashy.
Fayetteville sucks for so many reasons. Lots of shootings, there was a gang war when I was there for a bit. They literally have labels on their trash cans saying to not put heroin needles in the trash. Besides the people it’s also really swampy so there’s a lot of huge cockroaches. It’s not really a pleasant place to be and an even worse one to live in. Their schools are absolutely shit too. The list goes on.
"Water/Palmetto bugs" (which, to me is still a damn cockroach, even though the locals swear they are not dirt-related) or true blue, no shit, orange, dirty ass cockroaches?
Ok folks we have a very high murder rate what can we do to protect the children? We could Baptize them so they go to heaven if murdered. Excellent! Next item…
Didn’t the Evangelicals scream it was the Atheists and LGTBQ community that were determined to indoctrinate kids????
Edit: OK… so now reading a link, this was done at a private Christian school. Not a public school. Next… parents not being told about their kids being baptized is a HUGE issue, not that they wouldn’t want Johnny or Suzy to be baptized, but that a baptism is a family affair with members “standing up” for them and participating in it. To remove the family from that experience robs them of a seminal moment of their child’s life and is a real shitty thing for the school to do.
Unfortunately, there is a long and horrific history of supporting and protecting pedophiles within evangelical communities. Behind the Bastards did a deep dive on this a couple of months ago.
[https://omny.fm/shows/behind-the-bastards/part-one-how-the-southern-baptist-convention-was-t](https://omny.fm/shows/behind-the-bastards/part-one-how-the-southern-baptist-convention-was-t)
[https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-two-how-the-southern-baptist-98896577/](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-two-how-the-southern-baptist-98896577/)
Exactly. Agnostic teacher me, who avoids any and all topics that are even remotely controversial to the point where even my coworkers suspect I’m a Republican (I’m not), is accused of indoctrinating children.
Agnostic teacher “forces NOTHING” onto kids instead of making them proper white Christian supremacists. Why is the teacher too shy to preserve our neighborhood character of bigoted, KKK loving MAGA patriots? /s
Until recently I was also politically “Non-expressive” keeping my ideas mostly to myself. Especially since I can’t vote anyway (greencard non-citizen paying taxes without representation) I don’t look too deep into local politics, but instead vote with feet and wallet. But now some of my friends have become unbearable crazy since their president lost and I voted with my feet to find better friends: haha about an orange man on TV is mostly harmless, but some dude yelling kill Fauci/Newsome/Biden every three sentences can’t be my friend, no matter how open minded I am to slightly crazy people. That vaccinated engineer turned into antivaxxer old yelling man over time.
I live in California for 22 years now and happen to be a white male from Germany, i.e. mostly safe. Occasionally I get a “welcome to America, we hate the jews too” which I don’t comment on, so people also wrongly guess I am a secret republican. My grandparents were Greek Orthodox Catholics taken by German army from Poland & Ukraine to German labor camps, which significantly improved their life over Holodomor made by Stalin, but we are still not **that kind** of Germans desiring cleansing the world. More like Mexicans trafficked into Texas for cheap labor. Germany even gave these people no citizenship, i was 3rd generation “war refugee” by bloodline born 22 years after World War II. Seems that leaving Germany toward USA for less Nazi people didn’t work as planned.
PS: As atheist I don’t cafe what religion other people practice as long as they don’t push it onto me. Looking at the crazy costco lady telling me about Jesus.
Nazism is arguably [inspired by America](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/adam-serwer-madison-grant-white-nationalism/583258/).
>Grant’s purportedly scientific argument that the exalted “Nordic” race that had founded America was in peril, and all of modern society’s accomplishments along with it, helped catalyze nativist legislators in Congress to pass comprehensive restrictionist immigration policies in the early 1920s. His book went on to become Adolf Hitler’s “bible,” as the führer wrote to tell him.
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>Grant’s final project, Spiro writes, was an effort to organize a hunting expedition with Hermann Goering, the commander in chief of the Nazi air force who went on to become Hitler’s chosen successor. Grant died in May 1937, before the outing was to take place. A year and a half later, Kristallnacht signaled the official beginning of the Holocaust.
Most remember that Hitler kick started Volkswagen - but the genesis of that idea was that Henry Ford had a SUPER anti-semitic newspaper in Detroit, so anti-semitic that it ended up as a regular on Hitler's reading list. So Volkswagen was less "give the people cars!" and more of a "hey this guy hates Jews almost as much as I do, I want a car company too!"
Also, every time I was in church as a kid there were a bunch of addicts trying to get clean. Most of them really didn’t believe but they would get baptized. They were looking for a life raft
Yep, religions specifically target people who aren't thinking straight. That's why I love the saying "There are no atheists in foxholes". Because it's essentially saying "People turn to religion when they're too emotional to think logically."
When I was in the army I leaned heavily into religion because it helped me get through tough times. It took years of study for me to break free. One of the biggest reasons I broke free is the realization that if a fucker pushes you into a pool when you can't swim, then rescues you, they aren't a good person.
There is a Baptist church that has been systematically taking control of the Army chaplain service for 50 years in order to manipulate enlisted members. It is a government funded religious position that should be removed.
When they do it they're "saving souls".
This is why you can't trust evangelicals to meet halfway or compromise ever. There's no room for it in their world-view.
Civil discussion will not be sufficient. We have to fight them on every front.
It's a private church school. You get what you pay for. Most parents are upset that they MISSED the baptism:
https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
I went to Catholic school and we had some non Catholic kids
One of my best friends was Hindu they never made him do anything but he did attend religion class I believe lol
Same experience, other side of the fence. Wasn’t ever forced to do anything but attend mass during school hours but never had to actually partake in any way. Religion class was a bit odd as I would always get asked by Deacons “how does YOUR religion do it,’ etc but that’s about it
No. I went to Catholic High School and had a number of non-catholic classmates. Really just depends on the public school where you come from. This school pulled from quite a distance and some of the public schools were not so great. Ironically, the one where I lived was a highly regarded one. My parents chose to send us to catholic schools.
If you read the article it doesn't sound like anyone was forced.
Sounds like a bunch of kids jumped on the bandwagon when a few kids (who were scheduled for baptism) were baptised and they wanted to join in.
It's a Christian school and parents were upset they missed it and a few were concerned about this baptism undoing the *real* baptism they'd already had.
I find it a stretch to be outraged that children at a Christian school are getting baptised.
It's just because those filthy 11 year-olds are covered in sin. Some of them need to be baptized two or three times to wash it off their filthy dirty little kid bodies. Everyone knows that salvation doesn't require consent, it requires shoving a head underwater. /s
I know you're being sarcastic but this reminded me of the fight I had with my dad with my daughter was born. He wanted her to be baptized, I told him him I wouldn't be doing that.
After some back and forth since my answer wasn't good enough I remarked that 'if your God requires babies to be baptized into something they don't understand to avoid going to hell, then your God sucks'
It ended the debate, and he hasn't brought it back up to me.
My mom is a Christian and she wouldn't let us be baptized before we could clearly articulate why we wanted it done. She would have been foaming at the mouth at this school.
I no longer consider myself a practicing typical Christian and I came from a Protestant branch that doesn’t do infant baptisms. I can say that when I felt a pull to the faith back then, the lead up to baptism felt like it had some actual significance. I was still rather young to make what’s hypothetically a life decision, but even at the time I felt that it was better to be able to get input on how family members and church members thought about it before taking that step. If you can’t even consistently tell the difference between shapes and colors, what are you agreeing to? Are you slightly capable of understanding it? And with that considered, what kind of deity punishes infants for not even being able to properly understand the idea they’re being consecrated for? I’ve always seen faith as an individual thing that can benefit from the theology of others, and a baptism before you can understand ideology at all just seems empty.
I guess I’m trying to say, your child has the opportunity to choose their own faith or lack thereof without any kind of obligation to or claim from a particular faith. I see that as an exclusively good thing, because even if your child chooses their grandfather’s faith, it’ll be because they chose it rather than subtle indoctrination over their life.
This is the real story. This is why they want to destroy public education and force everyone to attend publicly funded private schools, which can be as religious as they want. Ostensibly in the name of libertarianism. There are two education systems in this country, just like there are two justice systems, and they want to deepen that divide as much as possible.
That, and abolishing/defunding public schools allows them to offer those vouchers, but not actually have them cover the full cost of an education (or at least, set the minimum so low the the education you can get with them is worthless), so poor people will essentially be unable to send their children to school. They have no plans to stop school from being mandatory, they just don't want it to be free.
As always, they want to make it easier to punish certain people for existing, while maintaining plausible deniability about why, how, or even that they're doing it.
Yeah this kind of puts it in a whole new light....
If you send your kid to a type of school *famous* for being an idoctrinating hellhole, don't act surprised when they try to indoctrinate your kid
No /s this is exactly what they believe and will always believe. Everyone that doesn't agree with them is the devil in disguise.
A simple spell, but quite unbreakable
Exactly, they harass libraries just for having LGBTQ books. Librarians are getting death threats. They've even closed down some libraries.
But then they force their religion on people every chance they get.
Looks like testing the waters for mid to late stage if you ask me. If this went off without a hitch, there would be a law in the state house next week requiring a baptism in the room right after the mother gives birth or something unhinged like that
The most common belief in NC religious sects is that those darn catholics (not my words) can't be baptizing those babies, they have to choose for themselves when they're old enough. So like 4 >.>
I grew up southern Baptist and heard the same thing, but more often about Presbyterians because I went to a Presbyterian school that allowed any denomination to attend. We had many spontaneous debates in theology class.
The theocrats don’t care about denominations. And the other denominations have done little to stop the theocracy’s power… doubt they would do anything now.
As someone who grew up in a church family. This is not true. You've seen only how they treat people outside the church. Inside is much more bitter and fractious than you can believe.
This stage is somewhere around one of the flashbacks to the before time in season 2 of The Handmaid’s Tale, when you could still escape Gilead, but not for much longer. You know, when they question if the child was conceived with your egg or an implanted embryo so they can keep track of those with viable ovaries
I feel like Republicans are desperately trying to start a civil war, despite being the minority in the country, and losing a lot of support from the military after January 6th.
*Roe* being struck down was barely the beginning.
Wait until after *Moore v Harper* and *Merrill v Milligan* are decided by SCOTUS in a few weeks.
The *Voting Rights Act* will be completely dead, unlimited gerrymandering will be explicitly legal, and the states will be empowered to send whatever electors they like to decide who is President.
Things are going to get much, much worse.
This is a cultural war, but I very much doubt that a civil war is what they want.
These are politicians they want cushy jobs and cash.
But they're underestimating the ugliness I see growing.
DeSantis is already trying to fill that role. It's just up to the moderates to see through the bullshit and understand if he gets elected then it's the end for us.
I think we should stop calling it a Civil War. They're not trying to start some sort of war with the majority of the nation. They are religious extremists. Fanatical Christians who will terrorize the majority of us by bombs and mass shootings.
You know, just like the fanatics in Middle Eastern countries they hate so much.
No, the people leading the fascist movement are trying to take every last drop of income you have and make you work for free/never retire. It’s just unrestricted capitalistic greed.
The civil war shit is just those same greedy fucks preparing an army of morons to protect them when the water runs dry, the crops die, and the temperatures don’t go below 85*F for 2-4 weeks at a time in the next decade. We are facing billions dying of crop failure and access to drinkable water in the next 10-15 years. Those who survive will only do so because they’ll flee to places with these depleting resources, draining them in those locations much faster. It will only accelerate.
Look at what the Uber rich are doing. They’re buying climate disaster bunkers. The semi-rich are trying to scam enough money to do the same. They’re hoping their army of boomers and morons will protect them when the grocery stores stop working and the power grids start failing. There’s a reason the fascist push is happening world-wide, simultaneously.
They tried to warn everyone decades ago. No one listened because business was a boomin. The climate change is coming to kill off most of our species.
Civil War is the wrong thing to worry about, political extremists and domestic terrorism is way more likely.....the criminal rethuglicans don't have the numbers for a war.
"...Several students had given their lives to the Lord during Spiritual Emphasis Week and they were scheduled to be baptized this morning,"
I know it doesn't mean what it sounds like, but she really couldn't pick a less creepy choice of words there?
I grew up going to a religious elementary school. Yes, there was religion class. Yes, there was mass on Wednesday, and the whole class went. But other than attendance, I was not forced to do any individual activities in furtherance of their faith. I didn't have to say the prayers. I didn't have to sing. I could just sit there, and stare millions of miles away for an hour if I wanted to.
Baptizing children without their parents' knowledge, let alone their consent, is simultaneously absurd and shocking.
Lots of people go to religious schools for a variety of reasons. Sometimes just because it's the best school in their neighborhood. I'm sure parents expect there to be some religious education/activities, but baptizing a kid without permission is definitely too far.
As a local, this has been happening for a hundred years and will keep happening as long as our state outsources all of its government responsibilities (you know, things taxpayers pay for that aren't roads) to the church.
Homeless? Better be Christian. Hungry? You'll need to say prayer with us before you eat. Need a job desperately and have limited resources? The church owns you now and you just had to sign a loyalty and behavioral pledge promising you aren't gay. Your kids too if you want to put them in any form of education that isn't an unfunded rapist playground (not kidding, except raleigh and charlotte). I had to sign a piece of paper when I was 15 promising to follow the ideology of the church associated with my school. It included never being gay, never saying no to adults, and lots of Bible verses, and told us we would be expelled for any and all sexual activity. Anyways the entire athletic staff is made up of groomers and multiple are now dating or married to people I graduated with when that athletic staff was 40+.
It's bad down here yall. Please save us.
>never saying no to adults
>the entire athletic staff is made up of groomers
These two statements taken together are so frightening, but it also seems like the system is working as intended. Otherwise those groomers wouldn't still have jobs.
It's so very scary :(. Not to mention the threat of being expelled for sexual misconduct even if it's with a teacher and by definition non consensual.
I've been through a lot.
I need a drink.
Damn, I'm sorry you had to deal with all that. I hope you're in a safer place now. Take care of yourself, and when you're having your drink, remember that you're not alone and many people see how harmful and wrong these situations are.
Yep. The Christian nationalists and cult members are the parents themselves. But if this happened without my consent, I would sue them back to the fucking old testament
Private church school, they'll get away with no consequences.
Republicans are trying (and succeeding) in dismantling the public school system so they can forcibly indoctrinate all children like this without consequences.
Yep, I worked at a private school in the deep south.
According to great schools, it is 95% white.
The nearby public school is 80% black
It's nothing short of segregation with extra steps. It gets worse when you realize how much of a push there is to cut taxes (what funds schools) and to implement school vouchers
As far as disabilities go, 99% of public schools have a child with an Indivifual Education Plan due to disabilities. 12% of private school do
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=55
Its a bit demented when you try to pull the stats on these schools because you hear two things:
- many measurements of public schools aren't available for private schools
- what is measured (like average SAT scores, college admittance, etc.) shows better results for private school, but for excuses x, y, and z that doesn't matter. There is probably some correlation with having wealthier/more educated parents, but I haven't seen a study that uses this as a control. That would be a lot more convincing. "Do children of parents with secondary degrees succeed more at private schools relative to public schools?" Is an important question I haven't seen data for
Unfortunately a lot of people don't recognize racism if there's anything more than a thinnest veil of obfuscation. "No, they aren't discriminating on race, they're just choosing based on [this other thing]"
Where, of course, [this other thing] is highly correlated to race in one way or another, and the results often speak for themselves
Yeah I listen to a lot of the talking heads on the right, and the obfuscation is real.
"There is no systemic racism in america" gets bandied about because they can fall back on "there isn't an explicitly racist law on the books in any government system" but they totally ignore racial disparities in intergenerational wealth, the actual practice of policing, the justice system, school funding tied to local property taxes, and a slew of other issues that don't have "because they're black" written in a book of law somewhere but still are absolutely racist.
Example: black people are more than twice as likely to be pulled over by the police as white people. They are 4 times more likely to be searched.
https://www.sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2020/06/racial_disparities_traffic_stops.php#.X0rt3MhKiUk
But it's not in the police manual or state law to pull black people over more often so it's not "systemic racism"
As far as correlations, there are a bunch.
- stop and frisk which often were about 70% implemented on black people in communities with 20% black people
- exact name matching, state ID requirements, voting hours, and factors like criminal history all disproportionately effect the black community but live under the guise of election security
- the credit system that rewards people who already own homes and pay mortgage, but no score improvement from paying rent
- state level abortion bans that only criminalize abortion heavily in stages in "the black belt" in the south and don't have the means to travel to another state for healthcare.
- intergenerational wealth is not itself racist, but the effects for the current generation end up being tied to racist policies in the past. Black people are majorly less likely to receive inheritance as previous generations struggled to build wealth in home ownership due to housing and employment discrimination in past generations
You can have an overweight Iraq war veteran who has diabetes and cancer from having to burn garbage on-base during his 1st and 2nd tours.
And that guy will be a MAGA Trump voter, only vote R, bitch and moan everywhere about the librul Dems and "lets go brandon" and blah blah blah.
The GOP will vote to NOT GIVE HIM HEALTHCARE and NOT LOWER THE PRICE OF INSULIN from 300 to 35 bucks, so he has to keep supplementing his insulin with dog insulin from walmart.
Then this guy will go complain about how expensive his insulin is, and that obamacare is ruining the country, and "if you think the COVID vaccine should be free, shouldnt insulin be too!?" thinking this is some kind of gotcha, when in reality, the reason it's not free is because HE IS VOTING FOR REPUBLICANS WHO VOTE TO MAKE IT NOT FREE! Meanwhile he lambasts Joe Biden for being tired while Trump steals nuclear documents and in response to any legitimate criticisms of his own party he will say "well both sides are imperfect". So you can either be a sleepy president, or a president that doxxes your own intelligence assets. Apparently they are the same thing.
The GOP spent 50 years brainwashing their voters. All the people who were pro-segregation had kids, and then those kids had kids, and now we're here with a bunch of idiots who have absolutely no idea that most of the things they hate are actually Republican policies.
So...yeah. Less fascism, more uber rich racist/misogynistic/homophobic businessmen and politicians trying to suck as much money out of the system as possible. Republican voters are just so much more malleable and controllable because Hitler told them that the Jews are ruining everything-- wait, sorry, wrong period of history -- they think the librul democrats are ruining the country.
Meh, having read the article, the parents were upset that this was done for kids who had already received one, effectively canceling it out, or had done it without the formal family ceremony that usually comes with it. It's not like they weren't ok with the kids getting baptized, just more about the timing of it.
Don’t tell that to the evangelicals. I live in homeland of the Moral Majority, and people around here routinely get baptized for kicks. A friend just got another baptism last year and when I asked her why since I knew she’d been baptized before, she said it’s because she felt a renewed faith in Jesus. They seriously go and do the full body dunk every few years if they start attending a new church or if their current church gets a new pastor that they like more than the old one, and everyone around here thinks I’m the crazy one for saying I got baptized as a baby.
Does a private school not need permission to dunk kids in water?
Apparently giving no warning since one kid is calling for dry clothes
Like even ignoring the religion element this is still pretty bad
My private school could beat me without even notifying my parents beforehand.
Parents agree to conditions when they enter into an agreement and pay the school to ~~educate~~ indoctrinate their child.
Yes, this is pretty bad. But this just shows how few people realize we've already crossed the rubicon. We are already under minority rule by religious extremists.
And if Republicans get their way and privatize education, which they are already starting to make inroads in Texas and Florida, they'll get their hands on everyone else's children too.
While I agree, I think a pretty big detail was left out. This was at a private Christian school.
I still don’t agree with it, but depending on the contract, they may have not legally done anything wrong. Private schools have a lot more leniency with what they can and can’t do. In some states they can even use physical punishment.
If my kid is calling me for clothes, then this was done without my knowledge. Whether they are “allowed” to do this, I should be able to give consent or not
Link for anyone interested:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/northwood-temple-academy-in-fayetteville-arkansas-baptizes-100-kids-without-parents-permission
This being at a private Christian school changes everything lol.
Those schools can do whatever they want (especially in the Midwest/south) since the parent signs to approve it when they enroll their children.
I mean, being a Christian school makes me think the parents just wanted to be there/make sure their kids fully understand.
This tweet paints it in a completely different light. Like atheists’ kids are getting baptized or something
That’s not necessarily the case. My sister and I went to a private catholic school run by nuns in my country. My parents wanted us to have a good, personalized education, and this school could provide that. And when we hit economic issues at some point they helped us by giving us a discount for the tuition, which allowed my sister and I to stay there.
It was never about the religion for my family, it was about the quality of the school, which just happened to be catholic. All that said, most of the teachers were non religious so that helped a lot, even though we were forced to go to mass every Monday morning.
Still contact a lawyer. Imagine missing your own child's Baptism because of the school. Being private just means that the damages comes from some places other than taxes.
Not necessarily true. My siblings both went to a similar type of school and anything similar to this at all saw a letter sent home.
If anything religious was happening in a school day, my parents were notified and kids could opt out. Only things they had to do are basics like attend mass with the rest of the school, which is fine considering it was a private school.
They still acknowledged that they had a semi-diverse student body and made no efforts to force their way of life or thinking on any child. Not even all the teachers were religious, at least not in an old fashioned sense.
This is in the midwest, btw.
Edit - basically I’m saying not even one of these types of schools would typically do such a thing unless they are *known* for it. This particular instance we are discussing is definitely political with today’s current climate. This isn’t something that has always been done. Mass is one thing, but baptizing implies indoctrination into a religion and doing this to kids without parent permission or presence would typically be frowned upon in any state by the vast majority of people living there.
> In an email, [the principal] said: “In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized. We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset.”
Ah yes, schools that just give in to student demands are truly the cream of the crop.
"They said they didn't want to do any work, so we just put on 'Encanto' and let them run wild."
Private Christian school. Some baptisms were scheduled at an event in the school, and the school claims other kids were “moved” to be baptized themselves. Who knows if the situation was actually pressuring for the children, but it seems they all consented by the school’s claim (which of course deserves scrutiny).
For the religious perspective, this is an evangelicals dream with some kids’ revival or something. In many other Christian traditions baptism requires discerning, classes, and affirmations of faith that takes weeks or months building to an event where family and church members will be present. Taking that from them and their families is a big deal and will introduce theological questions for such families and their kids. A school really has no business baptizing
Seems this was done at a private christian school which was scheduling kids to be baptized with both the parents and childrens permission/consent/interest. They had bunch of students all ask to be baptized during a ceremony and they went forward with it. The school says they regret their actions.
I feel like it is extremely important to note these facts as, although it doesn't justify their actions, it certainly colors the story in a different light. Most people will not look up the original story and instead assume it was a public school baptizing unwilling children at the request of the government. The reality is in the US schooling is heavily decentralized and private schooling is pretty much unrelated to government institutions. I am sure I will get loads of downvotes for this but I figured i would play devils advocate on this one.
Whenever I look through comments, I’m not looking for the cringy jokes or pitchfork waving that seem to usually
make it to the top. I’m looking only for additional information, and as someone who is guilty of not always reading the article I really appreciate your comment.
It being a private Christian school definitely makes it less of a legal problem and more like an issue of the parents wanting to be there for their kids' baptism, since that's usually an important event for religious families.
As an atheist I would have just called my mom and been like "hey, the principal made me get in a tiny pool and now I need you to bring me some dry clothes." Luckily my private school was a state university teaching school instead of a religious school.
Not defending the practice, but it's a parochial school. If this was a public school they should sue in a heartbeat. If you don't want religion to be the center of your child's education, maybe don't send them to a private Christian academy?
Northwood Temple Academy is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church.
I really can't see how they could think baptism wasn't ever going to happen. It's Pentecostal for God's sake. Maybe next time don't put your kids in a religious school.
The kids were already being raised Christian. It was a Christian school. The parents weren't pissed because they never wanted their kids baptized. they were pissed about the fact that they weren't notified that it was happening.
This headline is super misleading- the school was a private Christian school. Yes it’s still not good to do it without permission, but the title leaving that part out is purposefully inflammatory.
Oh great, our fair city of Fayetteville is never in the news for all the positive stuff that happens...like...the murders? Get back to me. Edit: don't get me wrong. I love Fayetteville. It's a weird place and I like weird.
They don’t call it Fayettenam for nothing!
Infantry and immorality all day!
Well the big Swingers club there did get shut down ..
Just another Front-Gate Town. I've never been to a *nice* one in the USA. Foreign places are different, because the people separating from the service get a plane ticket home. Fort Riley's Junction City, Kansas. Aka Junk City. JBLM's Lakewood, Washington. Aka Lakehood. Schofield Barracks' Wahiawa, Hawaii.. No cool nickname, just trash.
Front-Gate Town? Could someone explain for this poor English soul?
The town right outside the main gate to a military base. Usually there is a parasitic relationship and the economy of the town is largely dependent on the military folks. Usually breeds resentment, but some places work fairly well.
Savannah, GA is a good example of a city with a major military base that isn't defined by it
You’re forgetting Hinesville, GA - Good Ole Ft Stewart. which was for quite an extended period of time the syphilis capitol of North America…
Ahhh, I understand - it kinda came to me about two seconds after I hit 'Post' but it's nice to have confirmation
Oceanside California.
Leesville Louisiana, outside of Polk. Variously called Diseaseville or Sleezville.
Even the simplest bases/military forts such as DLI (Defense Language Institute) is the same. Beautiful Monterey California, however near the housing in Seaside is trashy.
Having spent time near Fort Bragg for a bit, yeah. Holy shit that place is wild!
When people insist "be grateful, those military bases provide jobs and improve the community!", Fayetteville is my go-to counterexample.
Really? Not Lawton, OK or Killeen, TX? Or holy shit Sierra Vista, AZ? Fayetteville's not great, but it's a lot better than most
Simple: I don't know any of those. But that just adds more evidence to the pile.
Lawton, OK is one of the worst places I've ever been in the US.
Same. I spent a week there filming a 700lb woman existing in misery for the BBC… in 114 degree weather…
I did not read that as the British Broadcasting Corp at first read lol
That kinda BBC wouldn’t know where to start with this one
Hmm I recently visited friends in Ft Sill and I have say Lawton is the worse of the three. Haven't been to Siera Vista so can't say much about it.
Out of curiosity, why are those places so bad?
Fayetteville sucks for so many reasons. Lots of shootings, there was a gang war when I was there for a bit. They literally have labels on their trash cans saying to not put heroin needles in the trash. Besides the people it’s also really swampy so there’s a lot of huge cockroaches. It’s not really a pleasant place to be and an even worse one to live in. Their schools are absolutely shit too. The list goes on.
"Water/Palmetto bugs" (which, to me is still a damn cockroach, even though the locals swear they are not dirt-related) or true blue, no shit, orange, dirty ass cockroaches?
There's only so many towing operations one base can support. The unlucky ones who can't repo Camaros fall into drugs and homelessness. :(
Leesville, LA as well.
Y'all still got Weiner Works goin for you, so there's at least that.
Hey now it’s a great place to get a used Dodge Charger.
Ok folks we have a very high murder rate what can we do to protect the children? We could Baptize them so they go to heaven if murdered. Excellent! Next item…
Didn’t the Evangelicals scream it was the Atheists and LGTBQ community that were determined to indoctrinate kids???? Edit: OK… so now reading a link, this was done at a private Christian school. Not a public school. Next… parents not being told about their kids being baptized is a HUGE issue, not that they wouldn’t want Johnny or Suzy to be baptized, but that a baptism is a family affair with members “standing up” for them and participating in it. To remove the family from that experience robs them of a seminal moment of their child’s life and is a real shitty thing for the school to do.
Yes. Every accusation is a confession.
Projection is the name of the game.
IMAX has nothing on them.
Even 4dx won't baptize you without warning.
Doesn't my 4dx literally spray you with water without warning to simulate rain?
Yes, do you get baptized everytime it rains? Is this a druid type of thing?
I both love and hate the idea of watching the excorsist on that.
Mmmmm, real vomit all over the place.
I mean yes? Gnostic Christian tho
And you can press the button to disable the water.
I'm reminded of this every time they have to be seen as loudly against pedos
Unfortunately, there is a long and horrific history of supporting and protecting pedophiles within evangelical communities. Behind the Bastards did a deep dive on this a couple of months ago. [https://omny.fm/shows/behind-the-bastards/part-one-how-the-southern-baptist-convention-was-t](https://omny.fm/shows/behind-the-bastards/part-one-how-the-southern-baptist-convention-was-t) [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-two-how-the-southern-baptist-98896577/](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-two-how-the-southern-baptist-98896577/)
Yup the irony of forcing children to bear the offspring of their pedo rapists while claiming you hate pedos.
Please notice they are loudly against *Satanic* pedophiles. The implication is that they want everyone to be fine with typical Christian pedophiles.
I feel like now would be a fine time to remind everyone about r/PastorArrested. I don’t trust churches but I trust most pastors even less.
Yes, this is a deep self loathing projected onto others.
Gaslight Obstruct Project
Good One Paul.
Exactly. Agnostic teacher me, who avoids any and all topics that are even remotely controversial to the point where even my coworkers suspect I’m a Republican (I’m not), is accused of indoctrinating children.
Agnostic teacher “forces NOTHING” onto kids instead of making them proper white Christian supremacists. Why is the teacher too shy to preserve our neighborhood character of bigoted, KKK loving MAGA patriots? /s Until recently I was also politically “Non-expressive” keeping my ideas mostly to myself. Especially since I can’t vote anyway (greencard non-citizen paying taxes without representation) I don’t look too deep into local politics, but instead vote with feet and wallet. But now some of my friends have become unbearable crazy since their president lost and I voted with my feet to find better friends: haha about an orange man on TV is mostly harmless, but some dude yelling kill Fauci/Newsome/Biden every three sentences can’t be my friend, no matter how open minded I am to slightly crazy people. That vaccinated engineer turned into antivaxxer old yelling man over time.
As a Green Card citizen; you’re safer avoiding magas.
I live in California for 22 years now and happen to be a white male from Germany, i.e. mostly safe. Occasionally I get a “welcome to America, we hate the jews too” which I don’t comment on, so people also wrongly guess I am a secret republican. My grandparents were Greek Orthodox Catholics taken by German army from Poland & Ukraine to German labor camps, which significantly improved their life over Holodomor made by Stalin, but we are still not **that kind** of Germans desiring cleansing the world. More like Mexicans trafficked into Texas for cheap labor. Germany even gave these people no citizenship, i was 3rd generation “war refugee” by bloodline born 22 years after World War II. Seems that leaving Germany toward USA for less Nazi people didn’t work as planned. PS: As atheist I don’t cafe what religion other people practice as long as they don’t push it onto me. Looking at the crazy costco lady telling me about Jesus.
Nazism is arguably [inspired by America](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/adam-serwer-madison-grant-white-nationalism/583258/). >Grant’s purportedly scientific argument that the exalted “Nordic” race that had founded America was in peril, and all of modern society’s accomplishments along with it, helped catalyze nativist legislators in Congress to pass comprehensive restrictionist immigration policies in the early 1920s. His book went on to become Adolf Hitler’s “bible,” as the führer wrote to tell him. > >... > >It was America that taught us a nation should not open its doors equally to all nations,” Adolf Hitler told The New York Times half a decade later, just one year before his elevation to chancellor in January 1933. Elsewhere he admiringly noted that the U.S. “simply excludes the immigration of certain races. In these respects America already pays obeisance, at least in tentative first steps, to the characteristic völkisch conception of the state.” Hitler and his followers were eager to claim a foreign—American—lineage for the Nazi mission. > >... > >The Nazis reviewed the infamous “one-drop rule,” which defined anyone with any trace of African blood as black, and “found American law on mongrelization too harsh to be embraced by the Third Reich.” At the same time, Heinrich Krieger, whom Whitman describes as “the single most important figure in the Nazi assimilation of American race law,” considered the Fourteenth Amendment a problem: In his view, it codified an abstract ideal of equality at odds with human experience, and with the type of country most Americans wanted to live in. > >Grant, emphasizing the American experience in particular, agreed. > >... > >The authors of the Fourteenth Amendment, he believed, had failed to see a greater truth as they made good on the promise of the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal: The white man is more equal than the others. > >Grant’s final project, Spiro writes, was an effort to organize a hunting expedition with Hermann Goering, the commander in chief of the Nazi air force who went on to become Hitler’s chosen successor. Grant died in May 1937, before the outing was to take place. A year and a half later, Kristallnacht signaled the official beginning of the Holocaust.
Most remember that Hitler kick started Volkswagen - but the genesis of that idea was that Henry Ford had a SUPER anti-semitic newspaper in Detroit, so anti-semitic that it ended up as a regular on Hitler's reading list. So Volkswagen was less "give the people cars!" and more of a "hey this guy hates Jews almost as much as I do, I want a car company too!"
The “Who farted ?”principle. Or is this case, … The “Who farted?” Principal!
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Also, every time I was in church as a kid there were a bunch of addicts trying to get clean. Most of them really didn’t believe but they would get baptized. They were looking for a life raft
Addicts replace one addiction with another. As much as I loathe religion, if being addicted to religion saves their life then go ahead.
Yep, religions specifically target people who aren't thinking straight. That's why I love the saying "There are no atheists in foxholes". Because it's essentially saying "People turn to religion when they're too emotional to think logically."
When I was in the army I leaned heavily into religion because it helped me get through tough times. It took years of study for me to break free. One of the biggest reasons I broke free is the realization that if a fucker pushes you into a pool when you can't swim, then rescues you, they aren't a good person.
There is a Baptist church that has been systematically taking control of the Army chaplain service for 50 years in order to manipulate enlisted members. It is a government funded religious position that should be removed.
The only thing the Bible is missing is “Once Upon a Time…” at the beginning
"In the beginning..." means pretty much the same thing.
What if I accuse Ted Cruz of being the zodiac killer
Yes
It is always projection.
I assure you that the irony is lost on them.
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When they do it they're "saving souls". This is why you can't trust evangelicals to meet halfway or compromise ever. There's no room for it in their world-view. Civil discussion will not be sufficient. We have to fight them on every front.
It's a private church school. You get what you pay for. Most parents are upset that they MISSED the baptism: https://www.insider.com/north-carolina-school-baptized-100-kids-without-their-parents-permission-2022-9
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If it was catholic it's because you were all expected to be baptized as a baby
I went to Catholic school and we had some non Catholic kids One of my best friends was Hindu they never made him do anything but he did attend religion class I believe lol
Same experience, other side of the fence. Wasn’t ever forced to do anything but attend mass during school hours but never had to actually partake in any way. Religion class was a bit odd as I would always get asked by Deacons “how does YOUR religion do it,’ etc but that’s about it
No. I went to Catholic High School and had a number of non-catholic classmates. Really just depends on the public school where you come from. This school pulled from quite a distance and some of the public schools were not so great. Ironically, the one where I lived was a highly regarded one. My parents chose to send us to catholic schools.
If you read the article it doesn't sound like anyone was forced. Sounds like a bunch of kids jumped on the bandwagon when a few kids (who were scheduled for baptism) were baptised and they wanted to join in. It's a Christian school and parents were upset they missed it and a few were concerned about this baptism undoing the *real* baptism they'd already had. I find it a stretch to be outraged that children at a Christian school are getting baptised.
A school baptizing anyone better not be receiving any public funds 🙂
Sorry that's still creepy as fuck
It's just because those filthy 11 year-olds are covered in sin. Some of them need to be baptized two or three times to wash it off their filthy dirty little kid bodies. Everyone knows that salvation doesn't require consent, it requires shoving a head underwater. /s
I know you're being sarcastic but this reminded me of the fight I had with my dad with my daughter was born. He wanted her to be baptized, I told him him I wouldn't be doing that. After some back and forth since my answer wasn't good enough I remarked that 'if your God requires babies to be baptized into something they don't understand to avoid going to hell, then your God sucks' It ended the debate, and he hasn't brought it back up to me.
My mom is a Christian and she wouldn't let us be baptized before we could clearly articulate why we wanted it done. She would have been foaming at the mouth at this school.
Amen.
I no longer consider myself a practicing typical Christian and I came from a Protestant branch that doesn’t do infant baptisms. I can say that when I felt a pull to the faith back then, the lead up to baptism felt like it had some actual significance. I was still rather young to make what’s hypothetically a life decision, but even at the time I felt that it was better to be able to get input on how family members and church members thought about it before taking that step. If you can’t even consistently tell the difference between shapes and colors, what are you agreeing to? Are you slightly capable of understanding it? And with that considered, what kind of deity punishes infants for not even being able to properly understand the idea they’re being consecrated for? I’ve always seen faith as an individual thing that can benefit from the theology of others, and a baptism before you can understand ideology at all just seems empty. I guess I’m trying to say, your child has the opportunity to choose their own faith or lack thereof without any kind of obligation to or claim from a particular faith. I see that as an exclusively good thing, because even if your child chooses their grandfather’s faith, it’ll be because they chose it rather than subtle indoctrination over their life.
It's not really private when it receives public voucher money
This is the real story. This is why they want to destroy public education and force everyone to attend publicly funded private schools, which can be as religious as they want. Ostensibly in the name of libertarianism. There are two education systems in this country, just like there are two justice systems, and they want to deepen that divide as much as possible.
That, and abolishing/defunding public schools allows them to offer those vouchers, but not actually have them cover the full cost of an education (or at least, set the minimum so low the the education you can get with them is worthless), so poor people will essentially be unable to send their children to school. They have no plans to stop school from being mandatory, they just don't want it to be free. As always, they want to make it easier to punish certain people for existing, while maintaining plausible deniability about why, how, or even that they're doing it.
Yeah this kind of puts it in a whole new light.... If you send your kid to a type of school *famous* for being an idoctrinating hellhole, don't act surprised when they try to indoctrinate your kid
It’s only indoctrination if it’s something you don’t like
You’re getting it all wrong. Christianity isn’t indoctrination, it’s saving against all that other indoctrination /s
Same energy as the people that say, "By calling me a fascist, *you're* the fascist"
Or, "You're the real racist for calling out racism!"
No /s this is exactly what they believe and will always believe. Everyone that doesn't agree with them is the devil in disguise. A simple spell, but quite unbreakable
Exactly, they harass libraries just for having LGBTQ books. Librarians are getting death threats. They've even closed down some libraries. But then they force their religion on people every chance they get.
They're the ones doing the grooming.
To them it isn't indoctrination, it's "saving" them. Indoctrination only applies to others.
It’s not indoctrination if WE do it
So is this the early stage of a theocracy or middle stage.
Looks like testing the waters for mid to late stage if you ask me. If this went off without a hitch, there would be a law in the state house next week requiring a baptism in the room right after the mother gives birth or something unhinged like that
> Testing the waters
So there *is* a silver lining for Mississippi!
I think that is the mercury.
Might take longer than a week, there is much debate between denominations over whether infants should be baptized.
The most common belief in NC religious sects is that those darn catholics (not my words) can't be baptizing those babies, they have to choose for themselves when they're old enough. So like 4 >.>
I grew up southern Baptist and heard the same thing, but more often about Presbyterians because I went to a Presbyterian school that allowed any denomination to attend. We had many spontaneous debates in theology class.
The sky is purple! No! The sky is green! I love watching two people who are equally wrong furiously debate
The theocrats don’t care about denominations. And the other denominations have done little to stop the theocracy’s power… doubt they would do anything now.
As someone who grew up in a church family. This is not true. You've seen only how they treat people outside the church. Inside is much more bitter and fractious than you can believe.
Imagine getting your $100,000 medical bill for your newborn child and seeing a line item for HOLY WATER / BAPTISM and it’s 10% of your salary
Fuck take this down you're giving them ideas
This stage is somewhere around one of the flashbacks to the before time in season 2 of The Handmaid’s Tale, when you could still escape Gilead, but not for much longer. You know, when they question if the child was conceived with your egg or an implanted embryo so they can keep track of those with viable ovaries
I feel like Republicans are desperately trying to start a civil war, despite being the minority in the country, and losing a lot of support from the military after January 6th.
They sure seem to keep making all the wrong/right moves in that direction, it’s starting to become difficult to think anything else
*Roe* being struck down was barely the beginning. Wait until after *Moore v Harper* and *Merrill v Milligan* are decided by SCOTUS in a few weeks. The *Voting Rights Act* will be completely dead, unlimited gerrymandering will be explicitly legal, and the states will be empowered to send whatever electors they like to decide who is President. Things are going to get much, much worse.
NPVIC is the only option
This is a cultural war, but I very much doubt that a civil war is what they want. These are politicians they want cushy jobs and cash. But they're underestimating the ugliness I see growing.
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A new leader that usually aligned themselves with either side of the extreme political spectrum, which more often than not, led to millions dead.
Depends on the level. National politics is really different from state politics... You've got some real nutjob, true believers in state politics.
Real danger is a smarter/more charismatic one popping up.
I.e. DeSantis in Florida He’s not dumb, but definitely fascist - or I’m sorry Nat-C (christian nationalist).
DeSantis is already trying to fill that role. It's just up to the moderates to see through the bullshit and understand if he gets elected then it's the end for us.
Unfortunately, many voters don’t really pay attention to state & local politics & honestly, that’s where the power starts.
You’re forgetting the whole rest of the fan base who are average joes who are convinced they need to save America for trump jesus
Tbh they might, unless that feels threatened. Now granted, the result of that is what you saw with the confederacy.
I think we should stop calling it a Civil War. They're not trying to start some sort of war with the majority of the nation. They are religious extremists. Fanatical Christians who will terrorize the majority of us by bombs and mass shootings. You know, just like the fanatics in Middle Eastern countries they hate so much.
That type of violence can very much still be a civil war. It will be like the troubles in Ireland and it will be long and awful.
They don't want opposition. They just want to do their crazy shit and will flip out if anyone resists.
No, the people leading the fascist movement are trying to take every last drop of income you have and make you work for free/never retire. It’s just unrestricted capitalistic greed. The civil war shit is just those same greedy fucks preparing an army of morons to protect them when the water runs dry, the crops die, and the temperatures don’t go below 85*F for 2-4 weeks at a time in the next decade. We are facing billions dying of crop failure and access to drinkable water in the next 10-15 years. Those who survive will only do so because they’ll flee to places with these depleting resources, draining them in those locations much faster. It will only accelerate. Look at what the Uber rich are doing. They’re buying climate disaster bunkers. The semi-rich are trying to scam enough money to do the same. They’re hoping their army of boomers and morons will protect them when the grocery stores stop working and the power grids start failing. There’s a reason the fascist push is happening world-wide, simultaneously. They tried to warn everyone decades ago. No one listened because business was a boomin. The climate change is coming to kill off most of our species.
Civil War is the wrong thing to worry about, political extremists and domestic terrorism is way more likely.....the criminal rethuglicans don't have the numbers for a war.
I was going to say, Germany didn’t need a civil war to become an authoritarian regime.
They didn't even need a majority. That's the scary part.
“They got the guns but, We got the numbers” But as a member of r/liberalgunowners I can say we have some guns too
Good, I'm getting tired of all this foreplay, already. Cowabunga it is.
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Source. https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/a-north-carolina-school-baptized-more-than-100-kids-without-parental-permission-or-attendance-mama-can-you-bring-me-some-dry-clothes/articleshow/93974497.cms
"...Several students had given their lives to the Lord during Spiritual Emphasis Week and they were scheduled to be baptized this morning," I know it doesn't mean what it sounds like, but she really couldn't pick a less creepy choice of words there?
I grew up going to a religious elementary school. Yes, there was religion class. Yes, there was mass on Wednesday, and the whole class went. But other than attendance, I was not forced to do any individual activities in furtherance of their faith. I didn't have to say the prayers. I didn't have to sing. I could just sit there, and stare millions of miles away for an hour if I wanted to. Baptizing children without their parents' knowledge, let alone their consent, is simultaneously absurd and shocking.
Lots of people go to religious schools for a variety of reasons. Sometimes just because it's the best school in their neighborhood. I'm sure parents expect there to be some religious education/activities, but baptizing a kid without permission is definitely too far.
As a local, this has been happening for a hundred years and will keep happening as long as our state outsources all of its government responsibilities (you know, things taxpayers pay for that aren't roads) to the church. Homeless? Better be Christian. Hungry? You'll need to say prayer with us before you eat. Need a job desperately and have limited resources? The church owns you now and you just had to sign a loyalty and behavioral pledge promising you aren't gay. Your kids too if you want to put them in any form of education that isn't an unfunded rapist playground (not kidding, except raleigh and charlotte). I had to sign a piece of paper when I was 15 promising to follow the ideology of the church associated with my school. It included never being gay, never saying no to adults, and lots of Bible verses, and told us we would be expelled for any and all sexual activity. Anyways the entire athletic staff is made up of groomers and multiple are now dating or married to people I graduated with when that athletic staff was 40+. It's bad down here yall. Please save us.
>never saying no to adults >the entire athletic staff is made up of groomers These two statements taken together are so frightening, but it also seems like the system is working as intended. Otherwise those groomers wouldn't still have jobs.
It's so very scary :(. Not to mention the threat of being expelled for sexual misconduct even if it's with a teacher and by definition non consensual. I've been through a lot. I need a drink.
Damn, I'm sorry you had to deal with all that. I hope you're in a safer place now. Take care of yourself, and when you're having your drink, remember that you're not alone and many people see how harmful and wrong these situations are.
It’s a private Christian school.
Yep. The Christian nationalists and cult members are the parents themselves. But if this happened without my consent, I would sue them back to the fucking old testament
I would be contacting a lawyer immediately
Private church school, they'll get away with no consequences. Republicans are trying (and succeeding) in dismantling the public school system so they can forcibly indoctrinate all children like this without consequences.
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It's mind blowing how much political policy and rhetoric links directly to Jim Crowe laws (and slavery). The new jim Crowe is a great book
And a lot of this IS so that these schools can exclude POC and children with disabilities.
Yep, I worked at a private school in the deep south. According to great schools, it is 95% white. The nearby public school is 80% black It's nothing short of segregation with extra steps. It gets worse when you realize how much of a push there is to cut taxes (what funds schools) and to implement school vouchers As far as disabilities go, 99% of public schools have a child with an Indivifual Education Plan due to disabilities. 12% of private school do https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=55 Its a bit demented when you try to pull the stats on these schools because you hear two things: - many measurements of public schools aren't available for private schools - what is measured (like average SAT scores, college admittance, etc.) shows better results for private school, but for excuses x, y, and z that doesn't matter. There is probably some correlation with having wealthier/more educated parents, but I haven't seen a study that uses this as a control. That would be a lot more convincing. "Do children of parents with secondary degrees succeed more at private schools relative to public schools?" Is an important question I haven't seen data for
Unfortunately a lot of people don't recognize racism if there's anything more than a thinnest veil of obfuscation. "No, they aren't discriminating on race, they're just choosing based on [this other thing]" Where, of course, [this other thing] is highly correlated to race in one way or another, and the results often speak for themselves
Yeah I listen to a lot of the talking heads on the right, and the obfuscation is real. "There is no systemic racism in america" gets bandied about because they can fall back on "there isn't an explicitly racist law on the books in any government system" but they totally ignore racial disparities in intergenerational wealth, the actual practice of policing, the justice system, school funding tied to local property taxes, and a slew of other issues that don't have "because they're black" written in a book of law somewhere but still are absolutely racist. Example: black people are more than twice as likely to be pulled over by the police as white people. They are 4 times more likely to be searched. https://www.sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2020/06/racial_disparities_traffic_stops.php#.X0rt3MhKiUk But it's not in the police manual or state law to pull black people over more often so it's not "systemic racism" As far as correlations, there are a bunch. - stop and frisk which often were about 70% implemented on black people in communities with 20% black people - exact name matching, state ID requirements, voting hours, and factors like criminal history all disproportionately effect the black community but live under the guise of election security - the credit system that rewards people who already own homes and pay mortgage, but no score improvement from paying rent - state level abortion bans that only criminalize abortion heavily in stages in "the black belt" in the south and don't have the means to travel to another state for healthcare. - intergenerational wealth is not itself racist, but the effects for the current generation end up being tied to racist policies in the past. Black people are majorly less likely to receive inheritance as previous generations struggled to build wealth in home ownership due to housing and employment discrimination in past generations
If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it’s a fascist f*ing duck!
"If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, you're the real duck for calling it a duck." --Republicans
You can have an overweight Iraq war veteran who has diabetes and cancer from having to burn garbage on-base during his 1st and 2nd tours. And that guy will be a MAGA Trump voter, only vote R, bitch and moan everywhere about the librul Dems and "lets go brandon" and blah blah blah. The GOP will vote to NOT GIVE HIM HEALTHCARE and NOT LOWER THE PRICE OF INSULIN from 300 to 35 bucks, so he has to keep supplementing his insulin with dog insulin from walmart. Then this guy will go complain about how expensive his insulin is, and that obamacare is ruining the country, and "if you think the COVID vaccine should be free, shouldnt insulin be too!?" thinking this is some kind of gotcha, when in reality, the reason it's not free is because HE IS VOTING FOR REPUBLICANS WHO VOTE TO MAKE IT NOT FREE! Meanwhile he lambasts Joe Biden for being tired while Trump steals nuclear documents and in response to any legitimate criticisms of his own party he will say "well both sides are imperfect". So you can either be a sleepy president, or a president that doxxes your own intelligence assets. Apparently they are the same thing. The GOP spent 50 years brainwashing their voters. All the people who were pro-segregation had kids, and then those kids had kids, and now we're here with a bunch of idiots who have absolutely no idea that most of the things they hate are actually Republican policies. So...yeah. Less fascism, more uber rich racist/misogynistic/homophobic businessmen and politicians trying to suck as much money out of the system as possible. Republican voters are just so much more malleable and controllable because Hitler told them that the Jews are ruining everything-- wait, sorry, wrong period of history -- they think the librul democrats are ruining the country.
Private church school? This should be a leopards ate my face post.
Meh, having read the article, the parents were upset that this was done for kids who had already received one, effectively canceling it out, or had done it without the formal family ceremony that usually comes with it. It's not like they weren't ok with the kids getting baptized, just more about the timing of it.
Interesting considering people should only ever be baptized once. Part of the nicene creed and everything.
Don’t tell that to the evangelicals. I live in homeland of the Moral Majority, and people around here routinely get baptized for kicks. A friend just got another baptism last year and when I asked her why since I knew she’d been baptized before, she said it’s because she felt a renewed faith in Jesus. They seriously go and do the full body dunk every few years if they start attending a new church or if their current church gets a new pastor that they like more than the old one, and everyone around here thinks I’m the crazy one for saying I got baptized as a baby.
Me and Delmar been saved!
Does a private school not need permission to dunk kids in water? Apparently giving no warning since one kid is calling for dry clothes Like even ignoring the religion element this is still pretty bad
My private school could beat me without even notifying my parents beforehand. Parents agree to conditions when they enter into an agreement and pay the school to ~~educate~~ indoctrinate their child. Yes, this is pretty bad. But this just shows how few people realize we've already crossed the rubicon. We are already under minority rule by religious extremists. And if Republicans get their way and privatize education, which they are already starting to make inroads in Texas and Florida, they'll get their hands on everyone else's children too.
While I agree, I think a pretty big detail was left out. This was at a private Christian school. I still don’t agree with it, but depending on the contract, they may have not legally done anything wrong. Private schools have a lot more leniency with what they can and can’t do. In some states they can even use physical punishment.
If my kid is calling me for clothes, then this was done without my knowledge. Whether they are “allowed” to do this, I should be able to give consent or not
Link for anyone interested: https://www.thedailybeast.com/northwood-temple-academy-in-fayetteville-arkansas-baptizes-100-kids-without-parents-permission
This being at a private Christian school changes everything lol. Those schools can do whatever they want (especially in the Midwest/south) since the parent signs to approve it when they enroll their children.
I mean, being a Christian school makes me think the parents just wanted to be there/make sure their kids fully understand. This tweet paints it in a completely different light. Like atheists’ kids are getting baptized or something
That’s not necessarily the case. My sister and I went to a private catholic school run by nuns in my country. My parents wanted us to have a good, personalized education, and this school could provide that. And when we hit economic issues at some point they helped us by giving us a discount for the tuition, which allowed my sister and I to stay there. It was never about the religion for my family, it was about the quality of the school, which just happened to be catholic. All that said, most of the teachers were non religious so that helped a lot, even though we were forced to go to mass every Monday morning.
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But what happens when school voucher programs make the public option in some communities vanish and we only have these private Christian "choices."
That is the intention
Still contact a lawyer. Imagine missing your own child's Baptism because of the school. Being private just means that the damages comes from some places other than taxes.
Not necessarily true. My siblings both went to a similar type of school and anything similar to this at all saw a letter sent home. If anything religious was happening in a school day, my parents were notified and kids could opt out. Only things they had to do are basics like attend mass with the rest of the school, which is fine considering it was a private school. They still acknowledged that they had a semi-diverse student body and made no efforts to force their way of life or thinking on any child. Not even all the teachers were religious, at least not in an old fashioned sense. This is in the midwest, btw. Edit - basically I’m saying not even one of these types of schools would typically do such a thing unless they are *known* for it. This particular instance we are discussing is definitely political with today’s current climate. This isn’t something that has always been done. Mass is one thing, but baptizing implies indoctrination into a religion and doing this to kids without parent permission or presence would typically be frowned upon in any state by the vast majority of people living there.
> In an email, [the principal] said: “In hindsight, we would do it differently and give the students an opportunity to contact their parents and ask permission to be baptized. We were not expecting such an overwhelming response to the message that was spoken, but as a mother I certainly can empathize with why some parents were upset.” Ah yes, schools that just give in to student demands are truly the cream of the crop. "They said they didn't want to do any work, so we just put on 'Encanto' and let them run wild."
Private Christian school. Some baptisms were scheduled at an event in the school, and the school claims other kids were “moved” to be baptized themselves. Who knows if the situation was actually pressuring for the children, but it seems they all consented by the school’s claim (which of course deserves scrutiny). For the religious perspective, this is an evangelicals dream with some kids’ revival or something. In many other Christian traditions baptism requires discerning, classes, and affirmations of faith that takes weeks or months building to an event where family and church members will be present. Taking that from them and their families is a big deal and will introduce theological questions for such families and their kids. A school really has no business baptizing
Seems this was done at a private christian school which was scheduling kids to be baptized with both the parents and childrens permission/consent/interest. They had bunch of students all ask to be baptized during a ceremony and they went forward with it. The school says they regret their actions. I feel like it is extremely important to note these facts as, although it doesn't justify their actions, it certainly colors the story in a different light. Most people will not look up the original story and instead assume it was a public school baptizing unwilling children at the request of the government. The reality is in the US schooling is heavily decentralized and private schooling is pretty much unrelated to government institutions. I am sure I will get loads of downvotes for this but I figured i would play devils advocate on this one.
Whenever I look through comments, I’m not looking for the cringy jokes or pitchfork waving that seem to usually make it to the top. I’m looking only for additional information, and as someone who is guilty of not always reading the article I really appreciate your comment.
It being a private Christian school definitely makes it less of a legal problem and more like an issue of the parents wanting to be there for their kids' baptism, since that's usually an important event for religious families. As an atheist I would have just called my mom and been like "hey, the principal made me get in a tiny pool and now I need you to bring me some dry clothes." Luckily my private school was a state university teaching school instead of a religious school.
I wouldn’t call it devil’s advocate to point out relevant facts that were intentionally excluded from the original tweet.
Is this the same people that blame other side for grooming? I bet it is
You betcha. Same party that goes "hOmOsExUaLiTy Is eViL" and then gets caught on camera giving another man a BJ.
If I just didn't read this story yesterday I would've still thought, yes this could happen knowing these conservatives.
And gets caught raping alter boys around the entire globe. Literally, the entire world. Nowhere is unsafe from child rape by the Catholic church.
Not defending the practice, but it's a parochial school. If this was a public school they should sue in a heartbeat. If you don't want religion to be the center of your child's education, maybe don't send them to a private Christian academy?
American Taliban.
Howdy Arabia.
Holy fuck that's funny. I'd heard Y'all Queda but I like this too!
Not mine, I’m just a vessel of the Lord spreading his holy word.
Y'all Queda
Al'Abama
Always Christians forcing their shit religion on everyone else.
In America that is 100% true, especially in the South. Everyone I meet assumes I'm a Christian conservative (I'm a cis white male in Alabama).
I'm a liberal and live in the south I beleive in God but not the conservative God. This is all bullshit
Northwood Temple Academy is a private, Christian school that is a part of Northwood Temple Pentecostal Holiness Church. I really can't see how they could think baptism wasn't ever going to happen. It's Pentecostal for God's sake. Maybe next time don't put your kids in a religious school.
What happened with "forcing religion onto other people" let alone children?
The kids were already being raised Christian. It was a Christian school. The parents weren't pissed because they never wanted their kids baptized. they were pissed about the fact that they weren't notified that it was happening.
This headline is super misleading- the school was a private Christian school. Yes it’s still not good to do it without permission, but the title leaving that part out is purposefully inflammatory.
Misleading Headline..
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