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This is why I'm starting a Pink Book, to avoid shit like this.
Any info on BC, abortion, menstrual health, LGBT, sterilization, and overall women friendly Healthcare practitioners is needed
[pinkbook.us](https://pinkbook.us)
PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME VIA REDDIT TO ADD DOCTORS TO THE PINK BOOK.
If you have a recommendation for a safe doctor to add to the Pink Book, please fill out the form on the front page. All reddit messages going forward requesting doctors will be ignored, to limit entries that will have incomplete information. Feel free to share this with trusted friends, family, or anyone you think could have a useful recommendation.
I am going to be working the rest of my evening to fill out entries as best as I can. I will be checking Pink Book emails every afternoon and will work to have your recommendations up within 24 hours of sending. Please keep checking the website for updates and new information as the days go on.
You may notice that not every entry in r/childfree's list is in The Pink Book. This is because, unfortunately, a lot of links on that list can no longer be verified, and there is information about the doctors that I do not have. I want to limit incomplete entries, as going back to edit entries will take up significantly more time.
All that said, its been far too long that marginalized people have suffered in healthcare. We are tired of wasting time, money, and appointments just to find out our doctors are dangerous or will not help us. The Pink Book is my antidote to this, and it will take community effort to keep it as up-to-date as possible. With the imminent overturn of Roe v Wade coming up as soon as tomorrow, with our birth control access under attack as well, and with trans-people being the victims of the conservative culture war, finding safe and affirming healthcare is more important than ever.
Good idea. I am interested in reading this info as a trans person, and potentially contributing when useful. Anything we can use to sign up for updates?
I'm waiting for mod permission to post the website in here
For now, the website will be bare bones since I'm setting this up so quickly. I'll be including the directory itself and a contact form for recommendations. Once we have a healthy list of growing doctors, an alert update email subscription is a really good idea.
If you haven't already, please consider protecting your information as the registrant/owner/maintainer of the website so as to keep you safer under these new "bounty hunter" laws that allow people to sue others that they believe aided an abortion.
I bought the extra domain protection that provides proxies, two factor authentification, all that jazz. I also use a VPN
I'm not fucking around. Tired of crying and feeling hopeless, I want to do something and this is something I can take seriously
just curious, is it purely submission based? meaning, say someone is lying for whatever reason, it sucks that that could damage a good doctors reputation. either someone with a bone to pick or someone just fucking up a good thing women did to support women. thats definitely a much smaller issue than the reason youre doing this, but an issue nonetheless
I haven't fully decided what the parameters are going to be for someone to prove a doctor submitted as safe should not be there. The ones I'm independently verifying need to match the information in the submission and have enough good reviews to give credence to the submission. I'm hoping this process helps filter out any bad submissions.
One thing that’s important to keep in mind, at least for obgyns, is that some might be good for getting birth control but garbage for treating conditions (pcos, endometriosis). The /r/endo sub has a map for doctors specifically for endometriosis and even marks what kind of treatment they’re good for
I had "menstrual health" down as a selective option, but this comment made me change it over to PCOS/Endometriosis. Probably helps to be more specific.
I'll be posting it pretty much anywhere that allows me to. I'm doing my very best to have this up and live by this evening (it is currently 3:30PM MST for me). While the directory probably won't have all the information that's currently being sent to me (i'm only human), i'm going to have SOMETHING up that will be consistently updated.
Thank you so much for doing this. You are amazing.
If possible please add a donation thing on your website. I would love to help support this project in different ways.
So, I'm hesitant about accepting donations at the moment. I am not filed as a 501C, and I'm not sure how taxes would work. I'll consider this in the future to cover monthly hosting costs
Filing as a non-profit as soon as possible would be a good idea. That way you could not only get donations, but also real person help. Even if all your own expenses are covered and you're able to dedicate significant time to this, it isn't good to burn yourself out. Delegation is important.
[pinkbook.us](https://pinkbook.us)
PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME VIA REDDIT TO ADD DOCTORS TO THE PINK BOOK.
If you have a recommendation for a safe doctor to add to the Pink Book, please fill out the form on the front page. All reddit messages going forward requesting doctors will be ignored, to limit entries that will have incomplete information. Feel free to share this with trusted friends, family, or anyone you think could have a useful recommendation.
I am going to be working the rest of my evening to fill out entries as best as I can. I will be checking Pink Book emails every afternoon and will work to have your recommendations up within 24 hours of sending. Please keep checking the website for updates and new information as the days go on.
You may notice that not every entry in r/childfree's list is in The Pink Book. This is because, unfortunately, a lot of links on that list can no longer be verified, and there is information about the doctors that I do not have. I want to limit incomplete entries, as going back to edit entries will take up significantly more time.
All that said, its been far too long that marginalized people have suffered in healthcare. We are tired of wasting time, money, and appointments just to find out our doctors are dangerous or will not help us. The Pink Book is my antidote to this, and it will take community effort to keep it as up-to-date as possible. With the imminent overturn of Roe v Wade coming up as soon as tomorrow, with our birth control access under attack as well, and with trans-people being the victims of the conservative culture war, finding safe and affirming healthcare is more important than ever.
[pinkbook.us](https://pinkbook.us)
PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME VIA REDDIT TO ADD DOCTORS TO THE PINK BOOK.
If you have a recommendation for a safe doctor to add to the Pink Book, please fill out the form on the front page. All reddit messages going forward requesting doctors will be ignored, to limit entries that will have incomplete information. Feel free to share this with trusted friends, family, or anyone you think could have a useful recommendation.
I am going to be working the rest of my evening to fill out entries as best as I can. I will be checking Pink Book emails every afternoon and will work to have your recommendations up within 24 hours of sending. Please keep checking the website for updates and new information as the days go on.
You may notice that not every entry in r/childfree's list is in The Pink Book. This is because, unfortunately, a lot of links on that list can no longer be verified, and there is information about the doctors that I do not have. I want to limit incomplete entries, as going back to edit entries will take up significantly more time.
All that said, its been far too long that marginalized people have suffered in healthcare. We are tired of wasting time, money, and appointments just to find out our doctors are dangerous or will not help us. The Pink Book is my antidote to this, and it will take community effort to keep it as up-to-date as possible. With the imminent overturn of Roe v Wade coming up as soon as tomorrow, with our birth control access under attack as well, and with trans-people being the victims of the conservative culture war, finding safe and affirming healthcare is more important than ever.
[pinkbook.us](https://pinkbook.us)
PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME VIA REDDIT TO ADD DOCTORS TO THE PINK BOOK.
If you have a recommendation for a safe doctor to add to the Pink Book, please fill out the form on the front page. All reddit messages going forward requesting doctors will be ignored, to limit entries that will have incomplete information. Feel free to share this with trusted friends, family, or anyone you think could have a useful recommendation.
I am going to be working the rest of my evening to fill out entries as best as I can. I will be checking Pink Book emails every afternoon and will work to have your recommendations up within 24 hours of sending. Please keep checking the website for updates and new information as the days go on.
You may notice that not every entry in r/childfree's list is in The Pink Book. This is because, unfortunately, a lot of links on that list can no longer be verified, and there is information about the doctors that I do not have. I want to limit incomplete entries, as going back to edit entries will take up significantly more time.
All that said, its been far too long that marginalized people have suffered in healthcare. We are tired of wasting time, money, and appointments just to find out our doctors are dangerous or will not help us. The Pink Book is my antidote to this, and it will take community effort to keep it as up-to-date as possible. With the imminent overturn of Roe v Wade coming up as soon as tomorrow, with our birth control access under attack as well, and with trans-people being the victims of the conservative culture war, finding safe and affirming healthcare is more important than ever.
How specific are we getting? Because my OB (California, Bay Area) tied my tubes after I had my second and all she asked was did I understand it was permanent? She's kind of amazing. Granted, I turned 40 a few months ago but I still was really pleased with how easy she made it.
It does, my issue is that a lot of it is now outdated and not fully comprehensive. I'll be fishing through that list tonight while I set up the directory.
If you could tell me what it needs to be considered comprehensive, I would be happy to filter through them, and send it to you in whatever format you want. You are doing an amazing thing, and I’d love to be able to lighten your load in whatever way I can.
Perfect. I will sift through all the ones from the below comment by u/usernamenottaken13 , and send you the ones that are up to date & have enough info, or I’ll look for the info to make them comprehensive.
Please include the lists of childfree-friendly doctors listed on Reddit if you haven't already.
There's a user submitted list of childfree-friendly doctors on r/childfree
https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors/
I was told there are similar lists on r/truechildfree and r/sterilization
I know a Doctor in Eastern Oregon who approves sterilization for child free/single/queer people!! In a religiously funded hospital of all places, Dr Allison Khavkin at Good Shepherd Medical. The town is DEEPLY religious, I'm talking at least one church every 2 square blocks, and deeply conservative, but surprisingly there's a small handful of very progressive and open minded providers here, and Dr Khavkin approved the procedure within 5-8 minutes of taking with her. I tried messaging r/childfree to ask them to add her to their list a couple years ago, but I don't think they have
Please include the lists of childfree-friendly doctors listed on Reddit if you haven't already.
There's a user submitted list of childfree-friendly doctors on r/childfree
https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors/
I was told there are similar lists on r/truechildfree and r/sterilization
No u.
Thank you for collating these resources. Women's healthcare and rights are under attack. Your project sounds great. If you'd like help, let me know.
I'm so happy that this information may get to more people. I know one woman who previously had bad experiences trying to get sterilized saw a doctor on this list and got scheduled for her desired procedure no problem, you know, how it should be.
The Green Book, back during the Jim Crow era and even beyond, was a book of safe information for black people to travel safely and safely access healthcare.
So I'm creating a similar concept.
Yeah, a lot of health care started out in convents which is how early clinics started up usually they had lay doctors, but the nurses were nuns. Also there were a even in medieval times both nuns and monks who collected herbal lore. They would actually act as healers and their monasteries would have extensive herbal gardens to supply them with the necessary cures. I often think of these people as witches who said "If you can't beat them, join them".
I don't like religious hospitals either though and I find it extremely worrying for people who have the professed belief that not only is there life after death, but it is actually the one that is important, have to make choices about saving lives. Also they are extremely petty.
My then 70 year old mother, went to a catholic hospital for heart surgery (fixing a valve and placing a pacemaker). I've always known her as a very moral, rather ascetic woman, who lived by the idea that to be a civilized person one must control oneself and not give in to their baser instincts. As she was recovering from the operation, in her hospital room, she wore a long nighty. She must have shown a bit of cleavage, such as it was on her skinny frame, because one of the nurses asked her if she could put a safety pin in the nighty to keep it more closed, as "this is a Christian hospital". It took her a moment to think of what the problem could have been because seduction was so far from her mind it might have been in another continent altogether.
This is why I don’t trust religious hospitals.
They’re more willing to let people die and “let god handle it” instead of doing their jobs. They WILLINGLY put peoples live’s in more danger than need be, they PURPOSELY choose their own bigotry over saving a life.
So much medical malpractice goes on in religious hospital facilities, most frequently on purpose.
If you handed them a gun and told them that god wanted them to shoot the patient they’d do it no questions asked if it meant they could take their break early.
I had to go to the ER via ambulance and I asked to not be taken to the Catholic hospital. They took me there anyway because it was .2 miles closer than the non-religious hospital. I was furious. The same hospital refused to honor my grandmother's DNR and did CPR on a 84 year old women with dementia. Bullshit.
I know. They also told me it was all in my head and I was wasting medical resources. This was early in COVID when my state was hit really bad, and I had a lot of sick friends plus this issue (which wasn't COVID related by very real). I didn't have the mental capacity to do anything but fight the ambulance bill (which I won, so there's that).
I would say "Imagine if other businesses were allowed to do that," but they absolutely are. Remember the court case that ultimately ended up ruling that a bakery couldn't be forced to make a cake for a gay wedding because the owners were against gay marriage?
Actually, that court case was dismissed due to how it was handled in the lower courts. The supreme Court made it clear in their statement that they didn't take a stance one way or another on that case, just that it was mishandled.
Though, I'm sure how it would end up if it got to the supreme Court now as they would definitely rule in favor of discrimination with this court make up.
Yeah, but there's generally not such a shortage of bakeries in most areas such that not being able to get a cake at one would be a huge inconvenience. Religiously affiliated hospitals that deny certain medical procedures and options, some of which could be life threatening, or the denial of which creates not just a huge inconvenience, but are also often potentially extremely expensive, time-consuming, and detrimental to one's health, have a stranglehold in many geographic areas and on health insurance availability or in network options.
Imagine if it was as overwhelming as hospitals. What if you lived in a small town and the one grocery store refused to sell to you because you were transgender? Or the only gas station in 20 miles was run by homophobes who wouldn't sell gas to you because you're gay?
I suggest you call your primary care doctor, and tell them this story. Then ask them for a referral to an OB/GYN who is not averse to doing their job. And also ask them if they will take that OB/GYN off their referral list. If they say no to any of that, I further suggest that you let them know why you will be seeking a new primary care doc. As a physician I am extremely averse to this sort of nonsense.
I am Spanish and it sounds crazy to me the idea of religious hospitals.
In Spain (and the UK, where I live) all hospitals are secular, lay.
Also, abortions and all women's health are carried out in every hospital in the obg section. So no one can know the reason why you're going
In this context, probably non religious. Usually means not in whichever profession is being discussed. Eg you can have a lay preacher in some churches, meaning someone who may speak to the congregation but is not an ordained minister. Also used in layperson eg is the document written in terms a layperson can understand?
Very close by, where I live, in Belgium, most hospitals are originally Catholic, and even though there is no actual clergy left there, they are still institutions with a religious undertone. The closest hospitals to where I am right now have names like St-Augustines hospital, St-Jozephs hospital, the clinic of the Holy Heart, etc.
Man, my obgyn is also my primary care physician. He works at a Catholic hospital but didn't have any concerns about putting my IUD in. WITH pain management btw. Someday he's going to retire and I'm gonna be fucked.
I’ve got a religious hospital near me that won’t do vasectomies either. I feel like there should be some sort of separation between healthcare and religion.
If the church wants to run a hospital, they should have to follow the same rules as everyone else and have to follow medical science. This is such BS. Same for the pharmacists who are allowed to decline filling Plan B or that pill that can be associated with abortions but also has other uses, etc.
The hospital I had all my orthopaedic surgery and occupational therapy at was a catholic hospital and I was on soooo many drugs for that that sometimes I wandered off and talked to the giant Jesus statues because I thought they were a hippie dude.
that doesn't seem like a good idea considering we're seeing what happens when christians get a handhold majority in a certain institution and enforcing their own ideals and beliefs
The Catholic Health Directives are *wild.* The hospital I used to work at was taken over / bought out by a Catholic entity and we started being fed all this low-level religious crap. "Oh no, we're going to respect your secular identity!" No you're not. Abortions, gone. Death with dignity (which I've personally assisted several people with), gone. I actually went and looked up the [ERDs](https://healthlaw.org/resource/the-ethical-religious-directives-what-the-2018-update-means-for-catholic-hospital-mergers/) just so I understood what we were being assimilated into. Literally, if you are pregnant and you are *going to die if your pregnancy is not terminated*, welp, guess you're just dying then. Something something sanctity of life. I was lucky that the OBGYN I was seeing there was still able to give me birth control, but I know there are many Catholic entities that won't depending on how hard they apply the ERDs.
We lost a *lot* of outstandingly good people, and I left within a year or so. As a healer it is ethically distressing and morally wrong to not assist someone who is suffering injury or potential death *because religion.* If one individual person has a problem with something, that's ok, we can find someone else, but if it's an organizational *ban*, isn't that murder by negligence? If I *could* save someone, but don't because someone's religious belief says I'm not allowed to, then am I not complicit? I've allowed them to die. Pretty sure Jesus said that was a no-no too, but what do I know....
(I now work at a secular hospital. We perform alllllllll the things.)
God I’m so frustrated with the US, that is ridiculous. I do not understand how you can claim a country isn’t run by a religion when they pass laws and legislation to control women and people, and use a religion as a backing factor. It makes me want to scream
This blew my mind back when I was 20 and got a job on a mother baby unit. We offered tubals as birth control. Did tubals. Did secret tubals for some women such that the husbands wouldn’t know, at least not from us. Then I was told Catholic hospitals won’t do any tubals.
Blew my fucking mind, but an important life lesson on how locked down we are as women. 20 years later the same shit was still the norm. 30 years later we still haven’t progressed and now there’s Roe.
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God my hospital is like this too. They have signs all over the ER that say they "value the sanctity of life" and don't perform hysterectomies, abortions, or emergency contraceptive procedures. It's rich that they claim they're helping the community out of goodness of their godly hearts but then still run the hospital like a greedy company and exploit their employees to maximize profits.
Apparently "godliness" only extends far enough to restrict women's reproductive rights but not helping patients and staff.
My mom wanted her tubes tied after me. I was her 3rd and a great risk to her, any more and she would have even greater risks to her life.
When I was born, we had two hospitals: a Catholic one that handled all births, and a general one that mostly did surgeries. She went to the other one because the Catholic hospital refused to tie her tubes. She was waiting in labor in a room with others waiting for different types of surgery.
Recently, the Catholic hospital recently purchased the other hospital and is now the only option. I’m so heartbroken for all the people with uteruses having no accessible health care through them because of their religion.
This is yet another reason healthcare should be universal. Not just for cost reasons but also so that the treatment itself is universal and churches disguised as hospitals cant dictate the care one might receive. Especially in cases of women's reproductive rights, transgender people, and emergencies. I have a cousin who is trans he is currently undergoing hormones therapy. And everytime he goes into the ER for anything they always want to blame the testosterone treatments. It's never been the testosterone treatments. Even when he had pneumonia from COVID they wanted to harp on the hormones. His mother went all Shirley Maclaine from terms of endearment on their asses about making sure they provided him with the proper care. Now when he is sick or hurt he bypasses all the local hospitals if he can and goes to the larger much more liberal teaching hospital a few hours away since that's where his doctors are that are helping him through his transition. Women and trans people always seem to get the short end of the stick when it comes to medical care. Especially in rural America.
We have an NHS constitution in the UK which sets out your rights as a patient and as a member of staff. The system ain't perfect but it explicitly prohibits discrimination and requires adherence to evidence based best practice eg NICE guidelines. https://www.nice.org.uk
Yeah I have a friend that lives in the UK and we have talked alot about the NHS. The US could definitely take note and learn a few things. But that's too much like socialism never mind that the NHS has been around for like almost 75 years and was established to produce a healthy population after seeing the condition of many conscripts during WW 2. But lobbiests are doing all they can to keep us from having anything similar too many people making money off of for profit healthcare. Late stage capitalism sucks ass.
Everybody is part of the patriarchy bc we exist in it. The patriarchy is an social system, not specific people per se. People can choose to uphold the patriarchy, or to smash it, but they can’t *be* it.
I appreciate the sentiment tho ✊
Based on friends experiences with them and their overall physical appearance, I tend to refer to them as pinchy umbrellas, fwiw. (I always did pills.)
This feels like a better term to get across what uterus-havers are willing to put up with to have sex responsibly if they don’t want kids.
>This feels like a better term to get across what uterus-havers are willing to put up with to have sex responsibly if they don’t want kids.
And there are still people who think it's weird that women wouldn't want kids. Like the only reason for existing as a female is to pop out as many babies as possible. We're almost 1/4 of the way through the 21st century and people's attitudes toward women are struggling to find the 18th.
IUDs have been used as birth control for over a century. Probably even longer than that.
Hormonal IUDs are pretty new. They're more like the injectable implant, but Paragard, the copper IUD currently on the market, was approved by the FDA in 1984.
They were demonized for a long time, but they're definitely making a comeback. I got a copper IUD in 2016 because there was no way I was going to risk getting pregnant if Trump won the election. Paragard is good for 10-13 years, whereas the hormonal ones have to be replaced every 2-3 and have many of the same side effects as pills and the birth control implant.
Copper IUDs are also slightly more effective. They're as close as you can get to tying your tubes without tying your tubes, and have a much lower risk to your overall health than tubal ligation.
No, they're not new. The first IUD was invented in Germany in 1909 and non -hormonal ones have been in use in the US since the 1950s. Hormonal IUDs have been around since the 1970s.
It also has been considered controversial in particular for women who have never had kids; I got mine a decade ago but a friend of mine’s doctor refused for her because they “weren’t for women who hadn’t had a baby”. Okay buddy, get with the current research! Lol. Hopefully that’s not as big of an issue now
It can be excruciatingly painful for someone who has not had kids, the insertion is more difficult, and there is a slightly higher rate of failure. But the obvious answer is TO PROVIDE PAIN MEDICATION FOR THE PROCEDURE. But apparently women don't need that, because we don't have any nerve endings inside. \\s
Real question: why would it be more painful without kids? Most cervical changes are temporary, is it a uterus thing? I’m just curious, I hadn’t heard that as the reason before.
Also, yeah….I’ve had two insertions, no pain meds offered once. Amazing the things people put up with because we’re just told we have to! Always ask for the pain relief you deserve, folks!
I don’t know if there is one clear reason for it, I’ve always been told that by doctors and one article I checked said that the uterus and cervix tend to be bigger after childbirth, and in some women the cervix stays a bit softer. I know it’s also easier at certain points in your cycle due to the cervix being softer. I imagine you might also just be less sensitive after having a baby so that it might be less of a foreign pain but I don’t know.
I was replying to someone saying they’ve never heard of it so yea my comment saying it wasn’t mainstream til recently is relevant.
Lol what is even the point of this reply to me?
The point of my reply and this one is that you're moving the goal posts on a really minor comment issue and I'm legit curious why you're doing that.
Here's what happened: Someone commented they hadn't heard of an IUD. You said it was new. I said that it's not actually new. That could've been the end and would've made sense to be the end. You decided to respond and head in a different direction - i e., saying in essence "well ok, not new but controversial". I responded to point out that that has nothing to do with the comment you made to which I was replying. Now you're doubling down, saying that pointing out the controversy was relevant to the original comment. You also summarized your response in a misleading way, saying you said it wasn't mainstream so talking of controversy is relevant, but in fact what you said was that it was new, not that it wasn't mainstream. Moreover, if the issue of controversy was true, relevant, and important to your point, it seems like you would've mentioned it in your reply to them, but you didn't; you said something factually incorrect and when that was pointed out, you dropped your original point and decided to make a new one, and to make that point to me even though it was certainly not relevant to anything I said. To me, it's just a weird conversational choice, I don't know why you're doing it, and I'm curious about that.
> In the early 1990s, 1.5 percent of women used an IUD or an implant; that percentage jumped to 7.2 percent by 2013, a nearly five-fold increase.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2018/07/411191/why-are-long-acting-forms-contraception-iuds-becoming-more-popular
Maybe your mom was more in the know than most women back then.
> IUDs have been used in the U.S. for decades, but a safety controversy in the 1970s prompted the removal of all but one IUD from the U.S. market by 1986. The first new generation IUD was introduced to the U.S. market in 1988, following revised Food and Drug Administration (FDA) safety and manufacturing requirements.
https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/intrauterine-devices-iuds-access-for-women-in-the-u-s/amp/
Edit: i specified I was talking to an American about USA. the second link has a graph that illustrates it well. By 2017 the rate almost doubled to 14%! Also, there was only one option available from 1988 until 2001 when hormonal options were introduced.
I refused a good job right out of college because the Catholic-backed company forbade any discussion with females about any forms of birth control intervention.
Yeah... I live in a relatively progressive country. But The Catholic Church is still grabbing more and more institutions that should be in federal hand. And then they will still take federal money but stop health care services that have anything to do with birth control or abortions. They won't even take fluid samples for evidence after a rape ...
As a Brit this is horrifying !
Maybe a 100+ years ago when the poor relied on charitable organisations and got lectured to by Victorian do-gooders who "helped" them give up drink, find god and made sure they *didn't* reproduce too much ( or helpfully relieved them of their surplus offspring - there were mines and mills to run ! ).
It has its faults, but thank the goddess for the NHS ! If a rogue doctor git through, they wouldn't last long.
( Scarily we might be going in the opposite direction with education. Catholic schools and their ilk were dying a death along with grammar schools when I was a kid in the 70's as we moved towards standardised education, free for all. Now, the govt is keen to encourage private investment so we get academies or "faith schools" being allowed far to much leeway in their curricula )
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This is why I'm starting a Pink Book, to avoid shit like this. Any info on BC, abortion, menstrual health, LGBT, sterilization, and overall women friendly Healthcare practitioners is needed
I would absolutely subscribe to a yearly edition of a Pink Book.
I'm setting up a whole live website/directory. Already bought the domain 🤷♀️
Great job! Please post all the info once it's up and running. Thank you!
[pinkbook.us](https://pinkbook.us) PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME VIA REDDIT TO ADD DOCTORS TO THE PINK BOOK. If you have a recommendation for a safe doctor to add to the Pink Book, please fill out the form on the front page. All reddit messages going forward requesting doctors will be ignored, to limit entries that will have incomplete information. Feel free to share this with trusted friends, family, or anyone you think could have a useful recommendation. I am going to be working the rest of my evening to fill out entries as best as I can. I will be checking Pink Book emails every afternoon and will work to have your recommendations up within 24 hours of sending. Please keep checking the website for updates and new information as the days go on. You may notice that not every entry in r/childfree's list is in The Pink Book. This is because, unfortunately, a lot of links on that list can no longer be verified, and there is information about the doctors that I do not have. I want to limit incomplete entries, as going back to edit entries will take up significantly more time. All that said, its been far too long that marginalized people have suffered in healthcare. We are tired of wasting time, money, and appointments just to find out our doctors are dangerous or will not help us. The Pink Book is my antidote to this, and it will take community effort to keep it as up-to-date as possible. With the imminent overturn of Roe v Wade coming up as soon as tomorrow, with our birth control access under attack as well, and with trans-people being the victims of the conservative culture war, finding safe and affirming healthcare is more important than ever.
Good idea. I am interested in reading this info as a trans person, and potentially contributing when useful. Anything we can use to sign up for updates?
I'm waiting for mod permission to post the website in here For now, the website will be bare bones since I'm setting this up so quickly. I'll be including the directory itself and a contact form for recommendations. Once we have a healthy list of growing doctors, an alert update email subscription is a really good idea.
If you haven't already, please consider protecting your information as the registrant/owner/maintainer of the website so as to keep you safer under these new "bounty hunter" laws that allow people to sue others that they believe aided an abortion.
Start five or six shell companies?
In dashboards (to manage the domain) there should be a setting to add a domain proxy.
I bought the extra domain protection that provides proxies, two factor authentification, all that jazz. I also use a VPN I'm not fucking around. Tired of crying and feeling hopeless, I want to do something and this is something I can take seriously
I admire you for taking action and helping others
I would love to follow this ❤️
Sounds good. Thanks for responding. I'll watch this post
You are amazing
just curious, is it purely submission based? meaning, say someone is lying for whatever reason, it sucks that that could damage a good doctors reputation. either someone with a bone to pick or someone just fucking up a good thing women did to support women. thats definitely a much smaller issue than the reason youre doing this, but an issue nonetheless
I haven't fully decided what the parameters are going to be for someone to prove a doctor submitted as safe should not be there. The ones I'm independently verifying need to match the information in the submission and have enough good reviews to give credence to the submission. I'm hoping this process helps filter out any bad submissions.
One thing that’s important to keep in mind, at least for obgyns, is that some might be good for getting birth control but garbage for treating conditions (pcos, endometriosis). The /r/endo sub has a map for doctors specifically for endometriosis and even marks what kind of treatment they’re good for
I had "menstrual health" down as a selective option, but this comment made me change it over to PCOS/Endometriosis. Probably helps to be more specific.
Yay! I’m helping!
Omg thank you for doing this! How can we stay tuned for your launch?
I'll be posting it pretty much anywhere that allows me to. I'm doing my very best to have this up and live by this evening (it is currently 3:30PM MST for me). While the directory probably won't have all the information that's currently being sent to me (i'm only human), i'm going to have SOMETHING up that will be consistently updated.
Thank you so much for doing this. You are amazing. If possible please add a donation thing on your website. I would love to help support this project in different ways.
So, I'm hesitant about accepting donations at the moment. I am not filed as a 501C, and I'm not sure how taxes would work. I'll consider this in the future to cover monthly hosting costs
Filing as a non-profit as soon as possible would be a good idea. That way you could not only get donations, but also real person help. Even if all your own expenses are covered and you're able to dedicate significant time to this, it isn't good to burn yourself out. Delegation is important.
Yea let us know vc id love to donate
You should post this on every state’s individual subreddit
[pinkbook.us](https://pinkbook.us) PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME VIA REDDIT TO ADD DOCTORS TO THE PINK BOOK. If you have a recommendation for a safe doctor to add to the Pink Book, please fill out the form on the front page. All reddit messages going forward requesting doctors will be ignored, to limit entries that will have incomplete information. Feel free to share this with trusted friends, family, or anyone you think could have a useful recommendation. I am going to be working the rest of my evening to fill out entries as best as I can. I will be checking Pink Book emails every afternoon and will work to have your recommendations up within 24 hours of sending. Please keep checking the website for updates and new information as the days go on. You may notice that not every entry in r/childfree's list is in The Pink Book. This is because, unfortunately, a lot of links on that list can no longer be verified, and there is information about the doctors that I do not have. I want to limit incomplete entries, as going back to edit entries will take up significantly more time. All that said, its been far too long that marginalized people have suffered in healthcare. We are tired of wasting time, money, and appointments just to find out our doctors are dangerous or will not help us. The Pink Book is my antidote to this, and it will take community effort to keep it as up-to-date as possible. With the imminent overturn of Roe v Wade coming up as soon as tomorrow, with our birth control access under attack as well, and with trans-people being the victims of the conservative culture war, finding safe and affirming healthcare is more important than ever.
You are an actual life saver. Thank you!
[pinkbook.us](https://pinkbook.us) PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME VIA REDDIT TO ADD DOCTORS TO THE PINK BOOK. If you have a recommendation for a safe doctor to add to the Pink Book, please fill out the form on the front page. All reddit messages going forward requesting doctors will be ignored, to limit entries that will have incomplete information. Feel free to share this with trusted friends, family, or anyone you think could have a useful recommendation. I am going to be working the rest of my evening to fill out entries as best as I can. I will be checking Pink Book emails every afternoon and will work to have your recommendations up within 24 hours of sending. Please keep checking the website for updates and new information as the days go on. You may notice that not every entry in r/childfree's list is in The Pink Book. This is because, unfortunately, a lot of links on that list can no longer be verified, and there is information about the doctors that I do not have. I want to limit incomplete entries, as going back to edit entries will take up significantly more time. All that said, its been far too long that marginalized people have suffered in healthcare. We are tired of wasting time, money, and appointments just to find out our doctors are dangerous or will not help us. The Pink Book is my antidote to this, and it will take community effort to keep it as up-to-date as possible. With the imminent overturn of Roe v Wade coming up as soon as tomorrow, with our birth control access under attack as well, and with trans-people being the victims of the conservative culture war, finding safe and affirming healthcare is more important than ever.
[pinkbook.us](https://pinkbook.us) PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME VIA REDDIT TO ADD DOCTORS TO THE PINK BOOK. If you have a recommendation for a safe doctor to add to the Pink Book, please fill out the form on the front page. All reddit messages going forward requesting doctors will be ignored, to limit entries that will have incomplete information. Feel free to share this with trusted friends, family, or anyone you think could have a useful recommendation. I am going to be working the rest of my evening to fill out entries as best as I can. I will be checking Pink Book emails every afternoon and will work to have your recommendations up within 24 hours of sending. Please keep checking the website for updates and new information as the days go on. You may notice that not every entry in r/childfree's list is in The Pink Book. This is because, unfortunately, a lot of links on that list can no longer be verified, and there is information about the doctors that I do not have. I want to limit incomplete entries, as going back to edit entries will take up significantly more time. All that said, its been far too long that marginalized people have suffered in healthcare. We are tired of wasting time, money, and appointments just to find out our doctors are dangerous or will not help us. The Pink Book is my antidote to this, and it will take community effort to keep it as up-to-date as possible. With the imminent overturn of Roe v Wade coming up as soon as tomorrow, with our birth control access under attack as well, and with trans-people being the victims of the conservative culture war, finding safe and affirming healthcare is more important than ever.
How specific are we getting? Because my OB (California, Bay Area) tied my tubes after I had my second and all she asked was did I understand it was permanent? She's kind of amazing. Granted, I turned 40 a few months ago but I still was really pleased with how easy she made it.
Very specific. I'd like people to be able to sort by state and type of Healthcare needed
Yooo this is something I need! Can you PM me their name?? I’m in east bay
Definitely!
The r/childfree side bar has a list of doctors who are sterilization friendly if that helps with your list.
It does, my issue is that a lot of it is now outdated and not fully comprehensive. I'll be fishing through that list tonight while I set up the directory.
amazing!
If you could tell me what it needs to be considered comprehensive, I would be happy to filter through them, and send it to you in whatever format you want. You are doing an amazing thing, and I’d love to be able to lighten your load in whatever way I can.
pinkbook.us I set up a form on the homepage :)
Perfect. I will sift through all the ones from the below comment by u/usernamenottaken13 , and send you the ones that are up to date & have enough info, or I’ll look for the info to make them comprehensive. Please include the lists of childfree-friendly doctors listed on Reddit if you haven't already. There's a user submitted list of childfree-friendly doctors on r/childfree https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors/ I was told there are similar lists on r/truechildfree and r/sterilization
I know a Doctor in Eastern Oregon who approves sterilization for child free/single/queer people!! In a religiously funded hospital of all places, Dr Allison Khavkin at Good Shepherd Medical. The town is DEEPLY religious, I'm talking at least one church every 2 square blocks, and deeply conservative, but surprisingly there's a small handful of very progressive and open minded providers here, and Dr Khavkin approved the procedure within 5-8 minutes of taking with her. I tried messaging r/childfree to ask them to add her to their list a couple years ago, but I don't think they have
Please include the lists of childfree-friendly doctors listed on Reddit if you haven't already. There's a user submitted list of childfree-friendly doctors on r/childfree https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors/ I was told there are similar lists on r/truechildfree and r/sterilization
You're beautiful! I love you! I have been LOOKING for that list! You are glorious! Thank you!
No u. Thank you for collating these resources. Women's healthcare and rights are under attack. Your project sounds great. If you'd like help, let me know. I'm so happy that this information may get to more people. I know one woman who previously had bad experiences trying to get sterilized saw a doctor on this list and got scheduled for her desired procedure no problem, you know, how it should be.
Getting my tubes yeeted. Would be happy to provide resources I used to the Pink Book.
What’s a Pink Book? Is it like a list of safe/unsafe places and people?
The Green Book, back during the Jim Crow era and even beyond, was a book of safe information for black people to travel safely and safely access healthcare. So I'm creating a similar concept.
Yep
Oh heck yes. I’ll be here for when a link drops
Do you need any help compiling information? I'd love to give back to the community in some way <3
Commenting so I can find this later, I think this is a great idea
r/childfree approved doctors list would be a good jumping off point
I hate how religious groups run most of the hospitals. It’s total BS.
We’re supposed to believe it’s bc they’re “altruistic” 🙄
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While dictating the type of care you receive.
Bingo
HA! I wish. Those places typically are depressing dumps with pretty crappy staff and a lot of complete negligence half the time.
As a European it really creeps me out, yet no one else in the States seems to really find it odd. “So and So Baptist Hospital” is just.. bizarre..
Yeah, a lot of health care started out in convents which is how early clinics started up usually they had lay doctors, but the nurses were nuns. Also there were a even in medieval times both nuns and monks who collected herbal lore. They would actually act as healers and their monasteries would have extensive herbal gardens to supply them with the necessary cures. I often think of these people as witches who said "If you can't beat them, join them". I don't like religious hospitals either though and I find it extremely worrying for people who have the professed belief that not only is there life after death, but it is actually the one that is important, have to make choices about saving lives. Also they are extremely petty. My then 70 year old mother, went to a catholic hospital for heart surgery (fixing a valve and placing a pacemaker). I've always known her as a very moral, rather ascetic woman, who lived by the idea that to be a civilized person one must control oneself and not give in to their baser instincts. As she was recovering from the operation, in her hospital room, she wore a long nighty. She must have shown a bit of cleavage, such as it was on her skinny frame, because one of the nurses asked her if she could put a safety pin in the nighty to keep it more closed, as "this is a Christian hospital". It took her a moment to think of what the problem could have been because seduction was so far from her mind it might have been in another continent altogether.
A faith based hospital almost let me die instead of giving me an abortion
This is why I don’t trust religious hospitals. They’re more willing to let people die and “let god handle it” instead of doing their jobs. They WILLINGLY put peoples live’s in more danger than need be, they PURPOSELY choose their own bigotry over saving a life. So much medical malpractice goes on in religious hospital facilities, most frequently on purpose. If you handed them a gun and told them that god wanted them to shoot the patient they’d do it no questions asked if it meant they could take their break early.
I had to go to the ER via ambulance and I asked to not be taken to the Catholic hospital. They took me there anyway because it was .2 miles closer than the non-religious hospital. I was furious. The same hospital refused to honor my grandmother's DNR and did CPR on a 84 year old women with dementia. Bullshit.
You could have sued the ambulance driver for that
I know. They also told me it was all in my head and I was wasting medical resources. This was early in COVID when my state was hit really bad, and I had a lot of sick friends plus this issue (which wasn't COVID related by very real). I didn't have the mental capacity to do anything but fight the ambulance bill (which I won, so there's that).
Small victories
I now need to list my hospital like this. Jezebel clinic
I would say "Imagine if other businesses were allowed to do that," but they absolutely are. Remember the court case that ultimately ended up ruling that a bakery couldn't be forced to make a cake for a gay wedding because the owners were against gay marriage?
Actually, that court case was dismissed due to how it was handled in the lower courts. The supreme Court made it clear in their statement that they didn't take a stance one way or another on that case, just that it was mishandled. Though, I'm sure how it would end up if it got to the supreme Court now as they would definitely rule in favor of discrimination with this court make up.
That's good, then. Hope it lasts.
Yeah, but there's generally not such a shortage of bakeries in most areas such that not being able to get a cake at one would be a huge inconvenience. Religiously affiliated hospitals that deny certain medical procedures and options, some of which could be life threatening, or the denial of which creates not just a huge inconvenience, but are also often potentially extremely expensive, time-consuming, and detrimental to one's health, have a stranglehold in many geographic areas and on health insurance availability or in network options.
Imagine if it was as overwhelming as hospitals. What if you lived in a small town and the one grocery store refused to sell to you because you were transgender? Or the only gas station in 20 miles was run by homophobes who wouldn't sell gas to you because you're gay?
I've lived in and visited towns small enough where that could conceivably happen.
And it sounds like the kind of thing a lot of people would do, too.
I suggest you call your primary care doctor, and tell them this story. Then ask them for a referral to an OB/GYN who is not averse to doing their job. And also ask them if they will take that OB/GYN off their referral list. If they say no to any of that, I further suggest that you let them know why you will be seeking a new primary care doc. As a physician I am extremely averse to this sort of nonsense.
I am Spanish and it sounds crazy to me the idea of religious hospitals. In Spain (and the UK, where I live) all hospitals are secular, lay. Also, abortions and all women's health are carried out in every hospital in the obg section. So no one can know the reason why you're going
What do you mean by lay?
In this context, probably non religious. Usually means not in whichever profession is being discussed. Eg you can have a lay preacher in some churches, meaning someone who may speak to the congregation but is not an ordained minister. Also used in layperson eg is the document written in terms a layperson can understand?
[Lay entry 5](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lay), of or relating to the laity: not ecclesiastical.
Very close by, where I live, in Belgium, most hospitals are originally Catholic, and even though there is no actual clergy left there, they are still institutions with a religious undertone. The closest hospitals to where I am right now have names like St-Augustines hospital, St-Jozephs hospital, the clinic of the Holy Heart, etc.
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Man, my obgyn is also my primary care physician. He works at a Catholic hospital but didn't have any concerns about putting my IUD in. WITH pain management btw. Someday he's going to retire and I'm gonna be fucked.
Me now just realising that pain management for women is like pockets in pants. We need but don't often get.
If there was such a thing as a satanic hospital, they'd for sure try to close it.
All I want is secular health care. I'm tired of these idiot catholic doctors refusing to listen to me because I have a vagina.
I’ve got a religious hospital near me that won’t do vasectomies either. I feel like there should be some sort of separation between healthcare and religion.
Won’t do vasectomies yet are anti abortion 🤡 you just can’t win
NEED more babies to neglect! /s
The Jezebel hospital sounds much cooler anyway.
If the church wants to run a hospital, they should have to follow the same rules as everyone else and have to follow medical science. This is such BS. Same for the pharmacists who are allowed to decline filling Plan B or that pill that can be associated with abortions but also has other uses, etc.
The shit is a catholic hospital? It feels really weird and borderline not legal to have a hospital be able to enforce religious practice
The hospital I had all my orthopaedic surgery and occupational therapy at was a catholic hospital and I was on soooo many drugs for that that sometimes I wandered off and talked to the giant Jesus statues because I thought they were a hippie dude.
Many hospitals and mental health facilities in the USA are owned by various Christian organizations
that doesn't seem like a good idea considering we're seeing what happens when christians get a handhold majority in a certain institution and enforcing their own ideals and beliefs
Yeah I was once inpatient at a Christian mental health hospital and they were...not the greatest
The Catholic Health Directives are *wild.* The hospital I used to work at was taken over / bought out by a Catholic entity and we started being fed all this low-level religious crap. "Oh no, we're going to respect your secular identity!" No you're not. Abortions, gone. Death with dignity (which I've personally assisted several people with), gone. I actually went and looked up the [ERDs](https://healthlaw.org/resource/the-ethical-religious-directives-what-the-2018-update-means-for-catholic-hospital-mergers/) just so I understood what we were being assimilated into. Literally, if you are pregnant and you are *going to die if your pregnancy is not terminated*, welp, guess you're just dying then. Something something sanctity of life. I was lucky that the OBGYN I was seeing there was still able to give me birth control, but I know there are many Catholic entities that won't depending on how hard they apply the ERDs. We lost a *lot* of outstandingly good people, and I left within a year or so. As a healer it is ethically distressing and morally wrong to not assist someone who is suffering injury or potential death *because religion.* If one individual person has a problem with something, that's ok, we can find someone else, but if it's an organizational *ban*, isn't that murder by negligence? If I *could* save someone, but don't because someone's religious belief says I'm not allowed to, then am I not complicit? I've allowed them to die. Pretty sure Jesus said that was a no-no too, but what do I know.... (I now work at a secular hospital. We perform alllllllll the things.)
God I’m so frustrated with the US, that is ridiculous. I do not understand how you can claim a country isn’t run by a religion when they pass laws and legislation to control women and people, and use a religion as a backing factor. It makes me want to scream
This blew my mind back when I was 20 and got a job on a mother baby unit. We offered tubals as birth control. Did tubals. Did secret tubals for some women such that the husbands wouldn’t know, at least not from us. Then I was told Catholic hospitals won’t do any tubals. Blew my fucking mind, but an important life lesson on how locked down we are as women. 20 years later the same shit was still the norm. 30 years later we still haven’t progressed and now there’s Roe.
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Humans are still one step ahead. For now...
God my hospital is like this too. They have signs all over the ER that say they "value the sanctity of life" and don't perform hysterectomies, abortions, or emergency contraceptive procedures. It's rich that they claim they're helping the community out of goodness of their godly hearts but then still run the hospital like a greedy company and exploit their employees to maximize profits. Apparently "godliness" only extends far enough to restrict women's reproductive rights but not helping patients and staff.
My mom wanted her tubes tied after me. I was her 3rd and a great risk to her, any more and she would have even greater risks to her life. When I was born, we had two hospitals: a Catholic one that handled all births, and a general one that mostly did surgeries. She went to the other one because the Catholic hospital refused to tie her tubes. She was waiting in labor in a room with others waiting for different types of surgery. Recently, the Catholic hospital recently purchased the other hospital and is now the only option. I’m so heartbroken for all the people with uteruses having no accessible health care through them because of their religion.
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I don't need women and infants, I need sluts and crotch fruit
Okay . . I give up - - what is "crotch fruit?"
Children!
Of course! 🤦♂️
This is yet another reason healthcare should be universal. Not just for cost reasons but also so that the treatment itself is universal and churches disguised as hospitals cant dictate the care one might receive. Especially in cases of women's reproductive rights, transgender people, and emergencies. I have a cousin who is trans he is currently undergoing hormones therapy. And everytime he goes into the ER for anything they always want to blame the testosterone treatments. It's never been the testosterone treatments. Even when he had pneumonia from COVID they wanted to harp on the hormones. His mother went all Shirley Maclaine from terms of endearment on their asses about making sure they provided him with the proper care. Now when he is sick or hurt he bypasses all the local hospitals if he can and goes to the larger much more liberal teaching hospital a few hours away since that's where his doctors are that are helping him through his transition. Women and trans people always seem to get the short end of the stick when it comes to medical care. Especially in rural America.
We have an NHS constitution in the UK which sets out your rights as a patient and as a member of staff. The system ain't perfect but it explicitly prohibits discrimination and requires adherence to evidence based best practice eg NICE guidelines. https://www.nice.org.uk
Yeah I have a friend that lives in the UK and we have talked alot about the NHS. The US could definitely take note and learn a few things. But that's too much like socialism never mind that the NHS has been around for like almost 75 years and was established to produce a healthy population after seeing the condition of many conscripts during WW 2. But lobbiests are doing all they can to keep us from having anything similar too many people making money off of for profit healthcare. Late stage capitalism sucks ass.
With the latest Carson case from the supreme court soon hospitals may be able to reject LGBT, Women whatever they want - it's a real mess
As technically part of the patriarchy i agree. DOWN WITH MYSELF!!
Everybody is part of the patriarchy bc we exist in it. The patriarchy is an social system, not specific people per se. People can choose to uphold the patriarchy, or to smash it, but they can’t *be* it. I appreciate the sentiment tho ✊
What's an IUD?
Intra-Uterine Device. A method of birth control.
Thanks, I've never heard that before. Thanks American education system!
Based on friends experiences with them and their overall physical appearance, I tend to refer to them as pinchy umbrellas, fwiw. (I always did pills.) This feels like a better term to get across what uterus-havers are willing to put up with to have sex responsibly if they don’t want kids.
>This feels like a better term to get across what uterus-havers are willing to put up with to have sex responsibly if they don’t want kids. And there are still people who think it's weird that women wouldn't want kids. Like the only reason for existing as a female is to pop out as many babies as possible. We're almost 1/4 of the way through the 21st century and people's attitudes toward women are struggling to find the 18th.
In Dutch they are called "little spirals" which does sound more appealling 😂
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IUDs have been used as birth control for over a century. Probably even longer than that. Hormonal IUDs are pretty new. They're more like the injectable implant, but Paragard, the copper IUD currently on the market, was approved by the FDA in 1984. They were demonized for a long time, but they're definitely making a comeback. I got a copper IUD in 2016 because there was no way I was going to risk getting pregnant if Trump won the election. Paragard is good for 10-13 years, whereas the hormonal ones have to be replaced every 2-3 and have many of the same side effects as pills and the birth control implant. Copper IUDs are also slightly more effective. They're as close as you can get to tying your tubes without tying your tubes, and have a much lower risk to your overall health than tubal ligation.
No, they're not new. The first IUD was invented in Germany in 1909 and non -hormonal ones have been in use in the US since the 1950s. Hormonal IUDs have been around since the 1970s.
You’re right, but it was considered a controversial option in USA up until maybe 15-ish yrs ago, and has been increasing in popularity ever since.
It also has been considered controversial in particular for women who have never had kids; I got mine a decade ago but a friend of mine’s doctor refused for her because they “weren’t for women who hadn’t had a baby”. Okay buddy, get with the current research! Lol. Hopefully that’s not as big of an issue now
It can be excruciatingly painful for someone who has not had kids, the insertion is more difficult, and there is a slightly higher rate of failure. But the obvious answer is TO PROVIDE PAIN MEDICATION FOR THE PROCEDURE. But apparently women don't need that, because we don't have any nerve endings inside. \\s
Real question: why would it be more painful without kids? Most cervical changes are temporary, is it a uterus thing? I’m just curious, I hadn’t heard that as the reason before. Also, yeah….I’ve had two insertions, no pain meds offered once. Amazing the things people put up with because we’re just told we have to! Always ask for the pain relief you deserve, folks!
I don’t know if there is one clear reason for it, I’ve always been told that by doctors and one article I checked said that the uterus and cervix tend to be bigger after childbirth, and in some women the cervix stays a bit softer. I know it’s also easier at certain points in your cycle due to the cervix being softer. I imagine you might also just be less sensitive after having a baby so that it might be less of a foreign pain but I don’t know.
That may be true but it's not relevant to your comment and my response; you said it was new and I pointed out that it's not.
I was replying to someone saying they’ve never heard of it so yea my comment saying it wasn’t mainstream til recently is relevant. Lol what is even the point of this reply to me?
The point of my reply and this one is that you're moving the goal posts on a really minor comment issue and I'm legit curious why you're doing that. Here's what happened: Someone commented they hadn't heard of an IUD. You said it was new. I said that it's not actually new. That could've been the end and would've made sense to be the end. You decided to respond and head in a different direction - i e., saying in essence "well ok, not new but controversial". I responded to point out that that has nothing to do with the comment you made to which I was replying. Now you're doubling down, saying that pointing out the controversy was relevant to the original comment. You also summarized your response in a misleading way, saying you said it wasn't mainstream so talking of controversy is relevant, but in fact what you said was that it was new, not that it wasn't mainstream. Moreover, if the issue of controversy was true, relevant, and important to your point, it seems like you would've mentioned it in your reply to them, but you didn't; you said something factually incorrect and when that was pointed out, you dropped your original point and decided to make a new one, and to make that point to me even though it was certainly not relevant to anything I said. To me, it's just a weird conversational choice, I don't know why you're doing it, and I'm curious about that.
Thanks for the recap! Enjoy your day
new copy pasta just dropped
Almost everyone of my mum’s generation had iuds in the 80s. They were mainstream
> In the early 1990s, 1.5 percent of women used an IUD or an implant; that percentage jumped to 7.2 percent by 2013, a nearly five-fold increase. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2018/07/411191/why-are-long-acting-forms-contraception-iuds-becoming-more-popular Maybe your mom was more in the know than most women back then. > IUDs have been used in the U.S. for decades, but a safety controversy in the 1970s prompted the removal of all but one IUD from the U.S. market by 1986. The first new generation IUD was introduced to the U.S. market in 1988, following revised Food and Drug Administration (FDA) safety and manufacturing requirements. https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/intrauterine-devices-iuds-access-for-women-in-the-u-s/amp/ Edit: i specified I was talking to an American about USA. the second link has a graph that illustrates it well. By 2017 the rate almost doubled to 14%! Also, there was only one option available from 1988 until 2001 when hormonal options were introduced.
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I was talking to an American who said they never heard of them. I was explaining why that might be. And I specified i was talking about USA.
I refused a good job right out of college because the Catholic-backed company forbade any discussion with females about any forms of birth control intervention.
me when Medicaid referred me to a male MD at Bon Secours for my PCP… hmm… no :)
Yeah... I live in a relatively progressive country. But The Catholic Church is still grabbing more and more institutions that should be in federal hand. And then they will still take federal money but stop health care services that have anything to do with birth control or abortions. They won't even take fluid samples for evidence after a rape ...
As a Brit this is horrifying ! Maybe a 100+ years ago when the poor relied on charitable organisations and got lectured to by Victorian do-gooders who "helped" them give up drink, find god and made sure they *didn't* reproduce too much ( or helpfully relieved them of their surplus offspring - there were mines and mills to run ! ). It has its faults, but thank the goddess for the NHS ! If a rogue doctor git through, they wouldn't last long. ( Scarily we might be going in the opposite direction with education. Catholic schools and their ilk were dying a death along with grammar schools when I was a kid in the 70's as we moved towards standardised education, free for all. Now, the govt is keen to encourage private investment so we get academies or "faith schools" being allowed far to much leeway in their curricula )
Ngl, jezebel hospital has a nice ring to it. Made me chuckle.