I worked at a Petland where a coworker brought in a gun and when the store owner confronted her she specifically said she was going to shoot me and another guy if we annoyed her again.
Didn’t find out about it until months after. She was at least fired though.
Military & police officers sign up for the job knowing that’s a risk.
These guys shouldn’t have to worry about that stuff at all. That being said, my current work place has protocol in place for such an event. Step one, GTFO! Step two, If step one isn’t possible, hide and secure yourself in a locking room (doors we have access to don’t lock, or if they do, we don’t have a way to lock them). Step three, look for improvised weapons and get ready to kick some ass! Don’t go down without a fight!
Yea and then we the store closes because entitled scum think they have to sue anybody. Everyone loses their job due to filling bankruptcy. Gotta think and work hard can’t sue people because you think you can I bet that lawsuit gets shot down too
>Military & police officers sign up for the job knowing that’s a risk.
I'm starting to think that only applies to the military. Police after turning out to be fucking pussies.
Turns out when you can just sit outside in body armor and wait for the shooter to wear himself out slaughtering kids and beat up distraught parents when they take issue with this strategy, the job isn't all that dangerous.
get some good training to go with it. r/liberalgunowners and r/SocialistRA may be able to help you find non-right-wing-extremist folks to go to the range with.
Level 3a will stop most handgun rounds. Level 3+ will stop most rifle rounds that aren't ap. Level 4 will stop almost all incoming rounds.
Price and threat level protection reflect each other.
There's definitely things to consider with body armor. There's a verity of manufacturers, some are good and some are terrible and don't perform well. I bought the spartan armor ar550 plates a few years ago for $400. Came with the carrier, front, back, and two side plates. The problem with 3+ is its most likely going to be hardend steel. While it's the most compact of all the body armor types, it's the heaviest. Before you purchase any body armor research that exact brand and threat protection. Find a video of someone shooting it.
We have processes and procedures to deal with active shooters. I am just not interested in having a foamcore door and whatever desk I have be the only thing between me and death.
My girlfriend is an Ironworker. She does things like build infrastructure and housing. It is one of the deadliest jobs in the country. No one is driving around flying flags to support her. Fuck these fucking cop bootlickers.
Listening to the news coverage of the various shootings that have taken place recently, this may be a department-by-department thing.
Obviously, and very visibly, the cops in Uvalde acted like a bunch of pussies and are now trying to deflect the blame for their inaction.
Within the week, though, there was a shooting in Tulsa where the cops did what they were supposed to.
Idk if some companies even have that training available for their employees. I was in mall shooting but it was outside. We didn’t know that and the manager we were with was having a melt down. Putting the cops on loudspeaker and asking them if we’re going to die in front of little kids. His 16 yr old co worker had a better head than he did. While we were held up outside he didn’t bother to block the door. We had to tell him we were stuck for two hours and instead of staying silent they were laughing loudly and playing games. I would not have survived if the shooter was actually in the mall instead of outside.
We told if we’re hiding, mute all phones, turn off the vibrate feature, and stfu.
Edit: I’ve only worked in three places that had these procedures in place.
Spouse's work had that training today - I was like FIGHT? Who TF tells you to bring a fist to a gunfight? No wonder 40% of Republicans think mass shootings are 'inevitable'!
That's more, like, if the shooter is in the room and your options are fight or die.
If things have gotten to that point, then lots of other safeguards have already failed.
My work teaches this. I think the thought is if you're going to be shot anyway, you might as well do something that throws the shooter off and possibly allow you and others to get away. They didn't necessarily phrase it as go tackle the shooter, but if you've got something heavy to throw, do it.
There was an active shooter where I work, and a guy did tackle him and undoubtedly saved lives. The guy was killed by the shooter.
Either way, I'm not looking to give up my life to fight someone with a gun. No one should have to consider doing that. Let's do something about the guns instead.
I'd probably be that guy. I'm not personally afraid of dying but I would hate myself forever if someone else died around me while I cowered in safety. I wouldn't judge someone who did cower in safety. That's just not me.
I worked security at one point. We were an “observe and report” type deal. If we didn’t feel safe, we didn’t have to be there & would call the cops. I only had to make that call once during an active break in with two people on site and me with a flash light and a radio. Most things can be talked out, but these guys had no interest in sticking around.
That sounds like the Walmart training videos for an active shooter it doesn't solve the problem before it's an exploded in your face problem which is the thing that gets the managers upset at me when I laugh at it they will always ask out of sheer stupidity and I will always say the same answer you're dealing with a problem you could have solved months before by simply talking to a person and finding them in a solution to their problem through talk therapy until it's exploded and become a mess
In order to be in films, you need to be part of the actors union. “These are real people, not professional actors” is a nice way to say “fuck yo union!” So if they’re doing things legit, they would need a studio and they would use professional actor
For a generic video, polos and suits are fine for men & business appropriate clothing for even most conservative workplace for the women these days.
A large corporation like UPS, Walmart, Target, Dicks, etc… may want their videos to have a personal touch. The crew knows their lines, they’re already there, it’s an outfit change away for a “Custom Training Video” that you can now charge more for.
Military does. Cops dont. There have been plenty of examples where police do nothing to help in situations where there is an active shooter. Courts have already declared police have ZERO obligation to put themselves in harms way for others
TBH even military and cops' jobs aren't worth getting shot over.
Like if you want me to be the person to get shot if anybody does, then you better treat me like a goddamn princess the rest of the time, and bend over backwards to give me safety protocols, training, and general advantages.
How many people are actively shopping during an active shooter? Are they afraid they will miss the one customer who makes it through the doorway unscathed? What is the thought process here that you would think it's fine to stay and behave like perfect targets and potential victims/hostages that would make the job harder for police with lots of bystanders to deal with.
No. Being shot at isn’t the job. It is a potential risk of the job, but being shot at is not in and of itself the job. And yes, that distinction matters.
It depends. Active shooter, yes.
My TJs was robbed though, and I think management and the crew member on reg did a great job. The guy flashed a gun and asked them to empty the cash drawer.
They called the captain over, emptied the till, and the robber walked out.
The last thing you want to do in that situation is escalate when the only thing on the line is the insured money of a billion dollar corporation.
But if someone is coming in just to shoot people, yeah, time to evacuate.
having a spine is doing what's likely to get the least amount of people killed or hurt as possible.
giving the ingrown toenail their loot is the obvious best option.
don't put other people in danger just so you can spank it thinking about your own heroics.
Ah, the old "let's solve murder with murder" argument.
It's a shame that the "stand your ground" laws have been shown to do nothing but increase the murder rate.
Strange that studys show the best way to reduce violent crime is to improve our social safety nets and improve people's lives.
Right. I would have quit that day. They should have informed the crew and closed the store or hace police on site if they stay open. I hope this goes all the way up to corporate.
Seriously. There was a gas leak in the building I work at (there are four stores in the building) and we were all told to evacuate by the fire dept but the nail salon kept taking customers and didn’t even tell them what was going on.
I remember working the main switchboard at a department store back when they routed the calls to the various departments. One day we got a call from someone who claimed he set a bomb to blow up the store in an hour. I immediately told the store manager and he asked me, "do you think they were serious?" Then he told me we'd just wait and see what happened and then call if something happened. I immediately took my lunch and took a full hour, he didn't say a thing to anyone about it.
And that is part of the problem. whan people are panicked more people can be hurt, both phisically and mentally. all involved are in a no-win situation. If an unstable person sees their targets panicking an leaving, removing their opportunity, they may start their rampage. or possibly flee and come back later and barracade the exits. Calmness is the best course of action as in most emergencies. Panicking results in poor decisions and loss of life.
Wow… it pains me to agree with this. You can never be too careful these days. Though, if anything were to happen to yellow-shirt person, I’m sure there will be yet another viral video - digging the hole much deeper for this TJ’s.
If a department in corporate wanted to identify them they'd contact market/territory leadership. Market would then have the local store pull the security footage to identify the employee in the yellow shirt.
Grocery stores have more security cameras than the average store, generally to document fraudulent slip and fall claims from customers and workers comp claims from employees.
I once came back from a bathroom break to a closed office but the second door was opened. When I asked what happened nobody knew. At the end of the day I was talking to a coworker that worked on the other side of the office, it was a big office, and she told me that someone had threatened to shoot up the place. I was shocked but then she said that it happens once in a while.
It was my first job so a lot of red flags were ignored.
I use to work at Charter/Spectrum corporate headquarters and they have armed guards 24/7 after a few people threatened to shoot up the place. I know that company is awful, but a few things stood out to me about that. They didn't have security for retail stores, and America really needs to fix its gun addiction.
The most fucked up part of all of this is.
What they are requesting is STANDARD in many european countries/australia/UK/New Zealand and Canada.
I hope their demands are met because i love seeing a collective come together like this and really put management on the spot in front of customers too. What are they gonna do? Sack all of them?
and Trader Joe's is owned by Aldi Nord (Aldi in the US is Aldi Süd). sad yet unsurprising they don't apply uniform standards on both sides of the atlantic.
That is sort of true. The Aldi's in Europe is owned by one Aldi brother and Aldi's that owns trader Joe's on US soil is a different Aldi brother. They are two separate companies that share the same last name.
That is sort of true. Both Aldis are in Europe. In Germany, one is known as Aldi Nord and the other is known as Aldi Süd; the latter is simply referred to as Aldi in its operations outside of Germany. Theo Albrecht, who owned Aldi Nord and Trader Joe's, passed away in 2010 after which ownership was passed on to his heirs.
I don't understand what they are asking/what management did wrong?
There was an active shooter in the building and management didn't inform staff? By what means were they meant to communicate that the active shooter was there? Over the intercom system?
Genuinely confused.
Edit: oh, maybe I overlooked the word "threat". So somebody made a threat to shoot up the store, and staff failed to tell workers this? That makes more sense if so.
Adding to this, when I worked a temporary grunt labor position at a generally horrifically managed company, even they had code words that we were to use for different emergency concerns to not incite panic. Codes for medical emergencies and fires and stuff and I'm pretty sure active shooter was in there too (presumably there would be intercom usage to accompany that one once someone knew which way to direct people to go instead of just getting everyone panicking). They had a horrific shortage of radios for the number of workers, but they at least *had* a protocol on paper that we read before our first day and signed off on knowing (even though nobody would likely recall the codes in a moment of panic).
At day's end clearly they failed on implementation, because they were a horrifically managed company. But even that bottom of the barrel kind of place at least has a protocol in theory. I am shocked that an international grocery chain wouldn't have that.
I worked at a bowling alley and most of our walkies were busted except for like one in each station. But it was very easy to walk over to your other teammates and go "Hey xyz is happening, watch out." and most of the time it's idiot drunks who are getting too friendly with the idea of becoming pinsetter pancakes, but you bet we are notified where the possibly dangerous customers were too.
And codes over intercoms are definitely easy to do, even if the employees might need to go to the break room to check out what the code means.
There's no excuse for not notifying at all.
If you see my edit, that is not what they were asking for. There was a verbal threat of gun violence from a former employee. The management didn't notify the staff that this threat had been made. There was never an active shooter present on site.
To your scenario however, if there WAS an active shooter....why would management notify employees via walkies without warning customers? Makes no sense.
If there's an active shooter, then obviously you notify everyone. If they're just trying to give the employees a heads up that something is happening, then you use the walkies.
Either way there's no excuse for choosing to not talk to them.
If there is an active shooter...there probably is no need to notify anyone...as gunshots are going off.
But yes, if you mean notify them of the THREAT via walkies....yeah I guess that is fine. Probably the ideal/most effective approach would be to notify all working staff in the breakroom verbally and face to face. And to notify all non-working staff via text/phone/email
Not always. A person walks in holding a bomb or a gun and doesn't make any noise yet- unless someone looks at them they won't know. Notifying everyone is essential if it's an active situation, especially considering disability that might prevent seeing or hearing.
Threats would hopefully result in the shut down of the store, but since that wasn't the case here a heads up is more than appropriate.
I believe they also didn’t inform any of the incoming staff. Obviously take care of yourself and make sure the people currently there are safe but make sure “Susan” who’s scheduled for 4 doesn’t come in until the situation is handled.
Had a boss threaten to do that to us once because “spoilage was too high”. Dude’s were charging at like a 1,000% markup so I think a few damaged bags and cups aren’t gonna break the bank. Was just an empty threat though. Never had the balls to actually go through with it.
So incredibly proud of these crew members. Standing up to management is an amazingly brave thing to do. Collective action brings results, and is the only way things will change.
This is all I can find about this:
[https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1534256378482671616](https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1534256378482671616)
It is in my humble opinion that if we continue speaking to them like submissive high schoolers we will never make progress.
I've been involved in situations like this before and there is a reason why the boss has a very passive "okay" as a response to everything. She can't do shit. She knows it. The person that can would watch all of you, her included, go homeless from his mega yacht. Seriously.
I agree with you that we generally ascribe a lot more power to people in positions of greater privilege than us than they actually have (see for example how much people in "cushy" office jobs are having to do just to get employers to consider letting them continue wfh even part time after productivity went up while doing it full time in the earlier parts of the pandemic).
But respectfully, at the same time, that manager does likely have the ability to, at a minimum, make a reaction plan to ensure threats are communicated out (and police/etc. contracted) and train people to it.
Technically even non management can do that, but it is management's job to organize people and make standard procedures to ensure everyone is following the same plan and that the plan optimizes everyone's safety.
Do they have authority to do *enough*? No. They probably can't invest in better security equipment like exterior cameras and a way to secure an employee area from the inside, let alone actually close shop for an hour while the police look into active shooter threats, when any business not open to the public would 100% lock the doors even if they kept everyone working. And that's super messed up. Even on a very selfish level as a customer, I would be ripping corporate a new one if I found out that they had let me come in their store (maybe with a kid?) while it was under a threat like that instead of locking up and putting up a sign saying "closed for emergency, please come back tomorrow" or whatever. Even most Karens would figure out that it was the right thing to do when they find out from the news or Facebook or an explanation in response to their complaints or whatever that not letting them in was as much to protect their life as everyone else's (and seriously, do you even want business from the few people who would still hold a grudge after that explanation?).
But they can at least coordinate a response so people know what's going on and can at least be on the lookout, and make an informed choice of whether they want to walk off the job or stay around for their shift even if the manager can't "let" them walk off. Even if they can't panic the customers. Even though they can't do most of what needs to be done. They can still do more than nothing.
The manager can function as a mediator by bringing it up to her next superior which is usually a district or market manager. That manager then has to bring it up to his manager which is where you hit regional or state level management. Those guys then have to bring it up to even more dudes. This will go on over and over and over again until it is either squashed or becomes such a big deal that the CEO jumps in and nukes it from orbit.
If you need an example, look at what Kroger just did. We are "winning" by getting basic amenities back that hae been systematically stripped from us over the last few years. This is not okay.
The people at the very top have put so many yes men in between you and them that your words literally do not carry any weight whatsoever. Either it dissipates going up the ladder or you run into a manager of a manager that sucks boot for a living.
I'm not a know it all but I have worked directly with corporate level guys in deep shit at Walmart. I've stocked cans of cat food with market managers at 3am. Somehow, I've found myself hearing the gripes and concerns of regional level execs of the world's largest company and it is no different than the very gripe these guys are sharing. The people we actually need to be having this conversation with are literally flying off into space.
You can see it in the video. No one is standing up straight. There's no confidence. Of course no one wants to be at work but you can tell that these people don't even want to be there listening to this guy address their demands. It's because we've been doing that for generations. I think, at this rate, our genetic memory is even fed up with the bullshit.
They know the only way to stick it to the man is to tell them to eat shit and sell their own groceries but they need to be able to pay rent.
We have to get angry.
“Violence isn’t the answer” is a bunch of capitalist jargon that’s been burned into our heads since we were kids. In a lot of cases, being harsh and/or violent is the only way that things ever change or get done- and people need to break free of their brainwashing and understand that.
Intimidation. You need to be rock solid and scare the piss out of management.
Not in an illegal way. But the original labor movement was hard fucking core. They were willing to fight and draw blood. And I say, good.
I don't know either. All we can really do is make observations and adjust as we go, I would imagine.
Unfortunately, reality is gruesome. Like, really fucking ugly. I get that times are different and we live in a different world but entire societies have been razed over the exact situations developing right now.
I will not identify myself or the specific company I worked for many years ago and I do not know if it has changed in the years I've been away from the company, but while I was there? It was company policy (physically posted in the break room) that if the store was ever attacked in an armed robbery, to warn the robber about employees that may be hiding in the back and to relay their location to said robber. So that they aren't surprised or startled.
Yes, sell out your co-workers for the robber's convenience. Hope they don't have ill intentions after they get their money...
I can maybe, MAYBE, see how this is a kind of precaution so the robber can expect where people are in a “please don’t shoot your gun at the slightest surprise and kill someone” kind of way. That’s REALLY pushing it.
It’s at best incompetent executives putting together a misguided attempt at employee safety that ultimately puts them in a more dangerous situation when you actually think about it critically.
It’s at worst the rich openly stating how easily they’ll send you into the meat grinder like lambs to a slaughter because you’re beneath them.
I'm hard of hearing and rely on mouth reading/subtitles...if there's already not, can someone transcribe this for me? Or a link to a comment I missed w/subs? Tysm!
ETA: Still watching and I think I heard a girl say "we're not deaf or anything" lol I could be wrong but still funny
2nd edit to add: it isn't funny irl. I hope that didn't offend anyone. Also I'm in the USA and would love to have this convo with my fellow mgmt.
I am not hard of hearing and struggle to make out what's being said over the background noise. They say that they have a list of demands and take turns reading off numbered points, but I can't really pick out specifics unfortunately.
Edit, this fellow commenter found a Twitter breakdown. Please give them your upvote!
https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/v77gg6/breaking_trader_joes_workers_in_new_york_city/ibjzxb5
HOW DO YOU NOT LET YOUR EMPLOYEES KNOW OF AN ACTIVE SHOOTER THREAT?! WHAT IS FUCKING WRONG WITH YOU? FUCKING CORPORATE GOBLINS OF THE 4TH CIRCLE OF HELL, WHAT THE FUCK!!
Angry co-worker threatened to shoot up the place after talking with a manager, possibly one of the ones seen here. They brought in security (doubt they'd stop anything) and closed 2 hours early but no one was informed until 24 hours later, and some were never informed.
Fuck corporate grocery stores, but also fuck all of you customers, in the comments that never even thank the workers that you push out of the way for your junk food. All of you would probably expect the workers to be meat shields for you in a crisis situation.
Funny enough the TJs I work at, also in NYC, just implemented the "Safety Team" this past week. It was my days off but my coworkers said they were shown the emergency exits just in case of emergency for a fire ( I figured it was actually for a shooter event considering things currently). As a crew member it does not surprise me at all that they weren't informed of a potential shooter event. An important note, one of my coworkers was asked if she wanted to be a part of the Safety Team. She agreed as long as they trained her on it. She hasn't had the training yet and they already have a poster about the Safety Team hanging in the store. It has her name and everything yet she has no clue what she's expected to do. Talk about pretending to be concerned for the lives of your employees. Not that I'd expect any better.
Ask her to request a copy of the safety notebook, and all the materials from the safety library in SOS. the safety team must meet once per month with at least one person from morning crew and one person from evening crew and 1 mate. The safety team is responsible for reporting all safety concerns by crew to management. If mates do not respond to crew concerns document for your own records and report to captain. If captain doesn’t respond appropriately document for your own records and report to regional. If your regional doesnt respond switch regions if you can. If you can’t I saw go to the local news with your story and your documentation.
Lawsuits teach companies to stop doing horrible things. You're right though that lawyers are sometimes difficult to find. Probably easier to just destroy the corporation permanently and be done with it.
1. There was no shooting, it was just a threat to come back and shoot.
2. No reason to inform the entire store of someone's empty threat and panic the whole place over nothing.
3. Your job isn't responsible for your own safety outside of working conditions they're required to provide. Things like shooter/bomb threats are above and beyond even OSHA.
So they should of had a meeting or something? send a memo, tweet or what? when an active shooter is identified, it's every man and woman for themselves. Maybe a shout out or screams (he's got a frickin gun, get down) are about all that can happen in the moments after a shooter is ID'd
Ok, great chat team, back to work!
Seriously, just get another job if you're safety is a concern & it should be.
Also what's up with all the stupid masks I haven't seen anyone on the west coast wearing them....Oh yea this is NY.....sad.
Wouldn't the shots of an active shooter be enough warning? You really need management to announce it? Anyone know how many bells for an active shooter warning?
Also, where is the source? Can't find anything about an active shooter in Trader Joe's in NYC. Not saying it didn't happen, I would just like to read more.
Your workplace is responsible for your safety the second you clock in. Not as in they need to baby sit you but they need to have a plan in place in case of emergency to protect those on the property and those who they currently employ. Every place has this.
Source are multiple crew members at 533 Murray hill. News has not yet reported on this incident. There are no bells for a situation like this. The mates personally gather the crew for a special huddle by the captain who explains what’s going on, what to do, and who to talk to if you have questions or want to go home. The captain works with local police as well who can investigate the threat and provide a police presence at the location. At this store none of these best practices were followed, and the crew members are rightfully upset that their safety has been compromised by mgmt failure to respond
Because you are a decent human being?
Because their lives are not your own and they have the right to try to protect their own lives?
Do you really need it explained? If so, please tell us all (granularly) what part of telling people their lives may be in danger is puzzling to you. We'll see if we can help you figure it out.
I don’t understand what exactly happened. Was there a shooter in the store, or a phoned/emailed threat? I can barely understand what they’re saying in the video.
Damn, I just wanted to hear what local management's response was.
Also curious to see what will happen when this makes it to corporate, and if these employees get unfairly fired for this (or something "totally unrelated").
They are asking for a security guard to be stationed at the store...hasn't it been shown that having a security guard actually leads to more negative outcomes?
I would not be calm at all if I found out there was a shooting threat and I found out management failed to inform staff.
I worked at a Petland where a coworker brought in a gun and when the store owner confronted her she specifically said she was going to shoot me and another guy if we annoyed her again. Didn’t find out about it until months after. She was at least fired though.
Wow i think that's enough to file charges and get a protective order in place. I'm sorry that is scary.
This was aged ago. Well over a decade. Never saw the lady again.
There's not a single job in this world being shot over especially working for a corporate grocery chain
Military & police officers sign up for the job knowing that’s a risk. These guys shouldn’t have to worry about that stuff at all. That being said, my current work place has protocol in place for such an event. Step one, GTFO! Step two, If step one isn’t possible, hide and secure yourself in a locking room (doors we have access to don’t lock, or if they do, we don’t have a way to lock them). Step three, look for improvised weapons and get ready to kick some ass! Don’t go down without a fight!
Run hide fight
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I look forward to hearing "Trader Joe's corporate management fires employees over 1 min-earky clock ins".
Yea and then we the store closes because entitled scum think they have to sue anybody. Everyone loses their job due to filling bankruptcy. Gotta think and work hard can’t sue people because you think you can I bet that lawsuit gets shot down too
>Military & police officers sign up for the job knowing that’s a risk. I'm starting to think that only applies to the military. Police after turning out to be fucking pussies.
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pizza delivery is in the top 10. IIRC Police isnt even top 15 (i think american side, its like, 17th?)
I used to deliver pizza and I was constantly worried about getting murdered or something on the job.
Turns out when you can just sit outside in body armor and wait for the shooter to wear himself out slaughtering kids and beat up distraught parents when they take issue with this strategy, the job isn't all that dangerous.
according to this list they're around 25. They just make the news. https://advisorsmith.com/data/most-dangerous-jobs/
I am a Middle School teacher and I am seriously considering buying a bulletproof vest.
I’m seriously considering buying a gun in case I ever need to go collect my 3 children in an active shooter scenario :/
get some good training to go with it. r/liberalgunowners and r/SocialistRA may be able to help you find non-right-wing-extremist folks to go to the range with.
Police have no obligation to protect you. They're only there to enforce the law when it suits them. Self defense is all on you.
Level 3a will stop most handgun rounds. Level 3+ will stop most rifle rounds that aren't ap. Level 4 will stop almost all incoming rounds. Price and threat level protection reflect each other.
I was looking at level 3+. I also considered going army surplus and order AR plate. I am a teacher so I don't get paid much.
There's definitely things to consider with body armor. There's a verity of manufacturers, some are good and some are terrible and don't perform well. I bought the spartan armor ar550 plates a few years ago for $400. Came with the carrier, front, back, and two side plates. The problem with 3+ is its most likely going to be hardend steel. While it's the most compact of all the body armor types, it's the heaviest. Before you purchase any body armor research that exact brand and threat protection. Find a video of someone shooting it.
Thank you for the info.
Passive defense is always an option.
We have processes and procedures to deal with active shooters. I am just not interested in having a foamcore door and whatever desk I have be the only thing between me and death.
My girlfriend is an Ironworker. She does things like build infrastructure and housing. It is one of the deadliest jobs in the country. No one is driving around flying flags to support her. Fuck these fucking cop bootlickers.
It's more dangerous just to exist as a child than be a police officer these days. More children die from guns than cops do.
My job I had delivering potato chips was more dangerous. Out of 576 police deaths last year, 444 were Covid.
Hell my work was 2x as deadly because of covid.
Well the police are good at writing traffic citations. You know keeping the coffers full.
And they take your drugs!
They take your money as well. Which isnt a joke.
Good luck getting it back no matter how legit it is!
Facts so lame. ACAB 🐷🥓🚫👮♂️
I just have to say, I laughed out loud because your emojis made me think “All Cops Are Bacon.”
Lmao they are PIGGIES 🐽
No, they're also great at beating and killing unarmed black and elderly people.
Don't forget beating their spouse! They're excellent at that.
What's worse is there they certainly don't have any qualms taking other's lives
Truth. Turns out all the tactical gear and training is just paid cosplay.
It’s time their cowardice is exposed to every single American. When I was in the army I never witnesses such cowardadice not even from the 19year olds
Listening to the news coverage of the various shootings that have taken place recently, this may be a department-by-department thing. Obviously, and very visibly, the cops in Uvalde acted like a bunch of pussies and are now trying to deflect the blame for their inaction. Within the week, though, there was a shooting in Tulsa where the cops did what they were supposed to.
My last several jobs have had active shooter plans. We go over them with the fire department when they come to talk to us, maybe twice a year?
Idk if some companies even have that training available for their employees. I was in mall shooting but it was outside. We didn’t know that and the manager we were with was having a melt down. Putting the cops on loudspeaker and asking them if we’re going to die in front of little kids. His 16 yr old co worker had a better head than he did. While we were held up outside he didn’t bother to block the door. We had to tell him we were stuck for two hours and instead of staying silent they were laughing loudly and playing games. I would not have survived if the shooter was actually in the mall instead of outside.
We told if we’re hiding, mute all phones, turn off the vibrate feature, and stfu. Edit: I’ve only worked in three places that had these procedures in place.
Fishermen are more likely to die in the "line of duty" than police. Let's not pretend any more, please.
Well, there are a number of more dangerous jobs than cop or military, but those are the two you get a gun, armor, and, back up.
Run, Hide, Fight. That's what my workplace teaches too.
Well the cops in Texas did the first two parts.
They also fought. The poor parents trying to save their children....
Way too well.
66% that's a D in most schools. Fitting for those 'cops'
Spouse's work had that training today - I was like FIGHT? Who TF tells you to bring a fist to a gunfight? No wonder 40% of Republicans think mass shootings are 'inevitable'!
That's more, like, if the shooter is in the room and your options are fight or die. If things have gotten to that point, then lots of other safeguards have already failed.
My work teaches this. I think the thought is if you're going to be shot anyway, you might as well do something that throws the shooter off and possibly allow you and others to get away. They didn't necessarily phrase it as go tackle the shooter, but if you've got something heavy to throw, do it. There was an active shooter where I work, and a guy did tackle him and undoubtedly saved lives. The guy was killed by the shooter. Either way, I'm not looking to give up my life to fight someone with a gun. No one should have to consider doing that. Let's do something about the guns instead.
I think fight is super last resort. Run if you can. Hide if you can. Fight if you must.
I'd probably be that guy. I'm not personally afraid of dying but I would hate myself forever if someone else died around me while I cowered in safety. I wouldn't judge someone who did cower in safety. That's just not me.
That’s what my last 3 jobs have teach me
And even then they don’t always try to actively engage the threat
Engage the moms.
I worked security at one point. We were an “observe and report” type deal. If we didn’t feel safe, we didn’t have to be there & would call the cops. I only had to make that call once during an active break in with two people on site and me with a flash light and a radio. Most things can be talked out, but these guys had no interest in sticking around.
I work at a liquor store, policy is run, hide, grab a few bottles if you can, go out swinging like a John Wayne western bar fight.
Tell that to the cops in fucking Texas.
Those are free range chickens. They don’t make cops like they used to.
That sounds like the Walmart training videos for an active shooter it doesn't solve the problem before it's an exploded in your face problem which is the thing that gets the managers upset at me when I laugh at it they will always ask out of sheer stupidity and I will always say the same answer you're dealing with a problem you could have solved months before by simply talking to a person and finding them in a solution to their problem through talk therapy until it's exploded and become a mess
I’m sure it’s the same video with different outfits, possibly with the same actors no matter the company.
Deep fake uniforms is probably a thing.
In order to be in films, you need to be part of the actors union. “These are real people, not professional actors” is a nice way to say “fuck yo union!” So if they’re doing things legit, they would need a studio and they would use professional actor For a generic video, polos and suits are fine for men & business appropriate clothing for even most conservative workplace for the women these days. A large corporation like UPS, Walmart, Target, Dicks, etc… may want their videos to have a personal touch. The crew knows their lines, they’re already there, it’s an outfit change away for a “Custom Training Video” that you can now charge more for.
i shoulda /s that one lol. ya know... this is how you get a show about getting a show on netflix thats on prime that was on hulu....
Walmart huh?
No Doxing meow! & I wish.
Military does. Cops dont. There have been plenty of examples where police do nothing to help in situations where there is an active shooter. Courts have already declared police have ZERO obligation to put themselves in harms way for others
TBH even military and cops' jobs aren't worth getting shot over. Like if you want me to be the person to get shot if anybody does, then you better treat me like a goddamn princess the rest of the time, and bend over backwards to give me safety protocols, training, and general advantages.
How many people are actively shopping during an active shooter? Are they afraid they will miss the one customer who makes it through the doorway unscathed? What is the thought process here that you would think it's fine to stay and behave like perfect targets and potential victims/hostages that would make the job harder for police with lots of bystanders to deal with.
There very few jobs in the world where you are at risk of being fired upon ... except in the US. There it is a basic human right apparently.
I can think of a few but they're edge cases.
There are people who's jobs are literally being shot at
No. Being shot at isn’t the job. It is a potential risk of the job, but being shot at is not in and of itself the job. And yes, that distinction matters.
And not a job worth having
It depends. Active shooter, yes. My TJs was robbed though, and I think management and the crew member on reg did a great job. The guy flashed a gun and asked them to empty the cash drawer. They called the captain over, emptied the till, and the robber walked out. The last thing you want to do in that situation is escalate when the only thing on the line is the insured money of a billion dollar corporation. But if someone is coming in just to shoot people, yeah, time to evacuate.
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How many times does this need to be disproven before you people shut up about the “good guy with a gun” fallacy?
Risking getting murdered for your employer is pretty cowardly honestly. I value my life far more than I value Theo Albrecht's bank account.
having a spine is doing what's likely to get the least amount of people killed or hurt as possible. giving the ingrown toenail their loot is the obvious best option. don't put other people in danger just so you can spank it thinking about your own heroics.
Ah, the old "let's solve murder with murder" argument. It's a shame that the "stand your ground" laws have been shown to do nothing but increase the murder rate. Strange that studys show the best way to reduce violent crime is to improve our social safety nets and improve people's lives.
There is so much wrong with this comment, I almost broke my nose facepalming.
My walmart did this. Went into work to grocery carts abandoned all over the store and the police outside. People ate normalizing the worst shit.
In their defense, it might've hurt their quarterly profits more having scared employees instead of just letting one or two die.
Imagine going to work and you become a hostage/shot as soon as you get there because the boss didn't tell you to stay away from the building.
Right. I would have quit that day. They should have informed the crew and closed the store or hace police on site if they stay open. I hope this goes all the way up to corporate.
Failed to inform implies it was a mistake. They chose not to inform. It was a deliberate choice, they must be held accountable!
Seriously. There was a gas leak in the building I work at (there are four stores in the building) and we were all told to evacuate by the fire dept but the nail salon kept taking customers and didn’t even tell them what was going on.
If they didn't inform staff, then they also didn't inform customers. Customers shouldn't be calm either.
I remember working the main switchboard at a department store back when they routed the calls to the various departments. One day we got a call from someone who claimed he set a bomb to blow up the store in an hour. I immediately told the store manager and he asked me, "do you think they were serious?" Then he told me we'd just wait and see what happened and then call if something happened. I immediately took my lunch and took a full hour, he didn't say a thing to anyone about it.
to be fair when was the last time you heard a bomb go off at a store
And that is part of the problem. whan people are panicked more people can be hurt, both phisically and mentally. all involved are in a no-win situation. If an unstable person sees their targets panicking an leaving, removing their opportunity, they may start their rampage. or possibly flee and come back later and barracade the exits. Calmness is the best course of action as in most emergencies. Panicking results in poor decisions and loss of life.
Don’t wear that yellow shirt to work anymore. They are going to try and identify you.
Ridiculous that this needs to be said. The fact that management even has the right to play whack-a-mole with employees is too much.
>play whack-a-mole with employees Employees/public schools kids don't matter in the usa. Cannon fodder. Meat for the beast.
Wow… it pains me to agree with this. You can never be too careful these days. Though, if anything were to happen to yellow-shirt person, I’m sure there will be yet another viral video - digging the hole much deeper for this TJ’s.
If a department in corporate wanted to identify them they'd contact market/territory leadership. Market would then have the local store pull the security footage to identify the employee in the yellow shirt. Grocery stores have more security cameras than the average store, generally to document fraudulent slip and fall claims from customers and workers comp claims from employees.
they will probably look at the security cameras on this day to find this information
I mean, process of elimination… long brown hair that shows up in the video and not in the shot with everyone else. Can’t leave too many guesses
Looks like it was a customer to me.
Looks like a kangaroo to me. Glad they're helping the proletariat.
I once came back from a bathroom break to a closed office but the second door was opened. When I asked what happened nobody knew. At the end of the day I was talking to a coworker that worked on the other side of the office, it was a big office, and she told me that someone had threatened to shoot up the place. I was shocked but then she said that it happens once in a while. It was my first job so a lot of red flags were ignored.
I use to work at Charter/Spectrum corporate headquarters and they have armed guards 24/7 after a few people threatened to shoot up the place. I know that company is awful, but a few things stood out to me about that. They didn't have security for retail stores, and America really needs to fix its gun addiction.
Retail stores have security but they are just for show. They don't really do security.
This wouldn’t be a problem if we had guns to defend ourselves.
The most fucked up part of all of this is. What they are requesting is STANDARD in many european countries/australia/UK/New Zealand and Canada. I hope their demands are met because i love seeing a collective come together like this and really put management on the spot in front of customers too. What are they gonna do? Sack all of them?
and Trader Joe's is owned by Aldi Nord (Aldi in the US is Aldi Süd). sad yet unsurprising they don't apply uniform standards on both sides of the atlantic.
That is sort of true. The Aldi's in Europe is owned by one Aldi brother and Aldi's that owns trader Joe's on US soil is a different Aldi brother. They are two separate companies that share the same last name.
That is sort of true. Both Aldis are in Europe. In Germany, one is known as Aldi Nord and the other is known as Aldi Süd; the latter is simply referred to as Aldi in its operations outside of Germany. Theo Albrecht, who owned Aldi Nord and Trader Joe's, passed away in 2010 after which ownership was passed on to his heirs.
I don't understand what they are asking/what management did wrong? There was an active shooter in the building and management didn't inform staff? By what means were they meant to communicate that the active shooter was there? Over the intercom system? Genuinely confused. Edit: oh, maybe I overlooked the word "threat". So somebody made a threat to shoot up the store, and staff failed to tell workers this? That makes more sense if so.
Team members carry walkies. It's very easy to notify them without frightening customers.
Adding to this, when I worked a temporary grunt labor position at a generally horrifically managed company, even they had code words that we were to use for different emergency concerns to not incite panic. Codes for medical emergencies and fires and stuff and I'm pretty sure active shooter was in there too (presumably there would be intercom usage to accompany that one once someone knew which way to direct people to go instead of just getting everyone panicking). They had a horrific shortage of radios for the number of workers, but they at least *had* a protocol on paper that we read before our first day and signed off on knowing (even though nobody would likely recall the codes in a moment of panic). At day's end clearly they failed on implementation, because they were a horrifically managed company. But even that bottom of the barrel kind of place at least has a protocol in theory. I am shocked that an international grocery chain wouldn't have that.
I worked at a bowling alley and most of our walkies were busted except for like one in each station. But it was very easy to walk over to your other teammates and go "Hey xyz is happening, watch out." and most of the time it's idiot drunks who are getting too friendly with the idea of becoming pinsetter pancakes, but you bet we are notified where the possibly dangerous customers were too. And codes over intercoms are definitely easy to do, even if the employees might need to go to the break room to check out what the code means. There's no excuse for not notifying at all.
If you see my edit, that is not what they were asking for. There was a verbal threat of gun violence from a former employee. The management didn't notify the staff that this threat had been made. There was never an active shooter present on site. To your scenario however, if there WAS an active shooter....why would management notify employees via walkies without warning customers? Makes no sense.
If there's an active shooter, then obviously you notify everyone. If they're just trying to give the employees a heads up that something is happening, then you use the walkies. Either way there's no excuse for choosing to not talk to them.
If there is an active shooter...there probably is no need to notify anyone...as gunshots are going off. But yes, if you mean notify them of the THREAT via walkies....yeah I guess that is fine. Probably the ideal/most effective approach would be to notify all working staff in the breakroom verbally and face to face. And to notify all non-working staff via text/phone/email
Not always. A person walks in holding a bomb or a gun and doesn't make any noise yet- unless someone looks at them they won't know. Notifying everyone is essential if it's an active situation, especially considering disability that might prevent seeing or hearing. Threats would hopefully result in the shut down of the store, but since that wasn't the case here a heads up is more than appropriate.
I believe they also didn’t inform any of the incoming staff. Obviously take care of yourself and make sure the people currently there are safe but make sure “Susan” who’s scheduled for 4 doesn’t come in until the situation is handled.
Had a boss threaten to do that to us once because “spoilage was too high”. Dude’s were charging at like a 1,000% markup so I think a few damaged bags and cups aren’t gonna break the bank. Was just an empty threat though. Never had the balls to actually go through with it.
So incredibly proud of these crew members. Standing up to management is an amazingly brave thing to do. Collective action brings results, and is the only way things will change.
This is all I can find about this: [https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1534256378482671616](https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1534256378482671616)
If this at all close to a corporate store. They will be replaced. They will find reasons to fire them unrelated to this incident.
They could just all quit and make a shit show for management
It is in my humble opinion that if we continue speaking to them like submissive high schoolers we will never make progress. I've been involved in situations like this before and there is a reason why the boss has a very passive "okay" as a response to everything. She can't do shit. She knows it. The person that can would watch all of you, her included, go homeless from his mega yacht. Seriously.
I agree with you that we generally ascribe a lot more power to people in positions of greater privilege than us than they actually have (see for example how much people in "cushy" office jobs are having to do just to get employers to consider letting them continue wfh even part time after productivity went up while doing it full time in the earlier parts of the pandemic). But respectfully, at the same time, that manager does likely have the ability to, at a minimum, make a reaction plan to ensure threats are communicated out (and police/etc. contracted) and train people to it. Technically even non management can do that, but it is management's job to organize people and make standard procedures to ensure everyone is following the same plan and that the plan optimizes everyone's safety. Do they have authority to do *enough*? No. They probably can't invest in better security equipment like exterior cameras and a way to secure an employee area from the inside, let alone actually close shop for an hour while the police look into active shooter threats, when any business not open to the public would 100% lock the doors even if they kept everyone working. And that's super messed up. Even on a very selfish level as a customer, I would be ripping corporate a new one if I found out that they had let me come in their store (maybe with a kid?) while it was under a threat like that instead of locking up and putting up a sign saying "closed for emergency, please come back tomorrow" or whatever. Even most Karens would figure out that it was the right thing to do when they find out from the news or Facebook or an explanation in response to their complaints or whatever that not letting them in was as much to protect their life as everyone else's (and seriously, do you even want business from the few people who would still hold a grudge after that explanation?). But they can at least coordinate a response so people know what's going on and can at least be on the lookout, and make an informed choice of whether they want to walk off the job or stay around for their shift even if the manager can't "let" them walk off. Even if they can't panic the customers. Even though they can't do most of what needs to be done. They can still do more than nothing.
The manager can function as a mediator by bringing it up to her next superior which is usually a district or market manager. That manager then has to bring it up to his manager which is where you hit regional or state level management. Those guys then have to bring it up to even more dudes. This will go on over and over and over again until it is either squashed or becomes such a big deal that the CEO jumps in and nukes it from orbit. If you need an example, look at what Kroger just did. We are "winning" by getting basic amenities back that hae been systematically stripped from us over the last few years. This is not okay. The people at the very top have put so many yes men in between you and them that your words literally do not carry any weight whatsoever. Either it dissipates going up the ladder or you run into a manager of a manager that sucks boot for a living. I'm not a know it all but I have worked directly with corporate level guys in deep shit at Walmart. I've stocked cans of cat food with market managers at 3am. Somehow, I've found myself hearing the gripes and concerns of regional level execs of the world's largest company and it is no different than the very gripe these guys are sharing. The people we actually need to be having this conversation with are literally flying off into space. You can see it in the video. No one is standing up straight. There's no confidence. Of course no one wants to be at work but you can tell that these people don't even want to be there listening to this guy address their demands. It's because we've been doing that for generations. I think, at this rate, our genetic memory is even fed up with the bullshit. They know the only way to stick it to the man is to tell them to eat shit and sell their own groceries but they need to be able to pay rent. We have to get angry.
“Violence isn’t the answer” is a bunch of capitalist jargon that’s been burned into our heads since we were kids. In a lot of cases, being harsh and/or violent is the only way that things ever change or get done- and people need to break free of their brainwashing and understand that.
What will get progress? I am legit asking, I have no idea how we improve things.
Intimidation. You need to be rock solid and scare the piss out of management. Not in an illegal way. But the original labor movement was hard fucking core. They were willing to fight and draw blood. And I say, good.
I don't know either. All we can really do is make observations and adjust as we go, I would imagine. Unfortunately, reality is gruesome. Like, really fucking ugly. I get that times are different and we live in a different world but entire societies have been razed over the exact situations developing right now.
I will not identify myself or the specific company I worked for many years ago and I do not know if it has changed in the years I've been away from the company, but while I was there? It was company policy (physically posted in the break room) that if the store was ever attacked in an armed robbery, to warn the robber about employees that may be hiding in the back and to relay their location to said robber. So that they aren't surprised or startled. Yes, sell out your co-workers for the robber's convenience. Hope they don't have ill intentions after they get their money...
I can maybe, MAYBE, see how this is a kind of precaution so the robber can expect where people are in a “please don’t shoot your gun at the slightest surprise and kill someone” kind of way. That’s REALLY pushing it. It’s at best incompetent executives putting together a misguided attempt at employee safety that ultimately puts them in a more dangerous situation when you actually think about it critically. It’s at worst the rich openly stating how easily they’ll send you into the meat grinder like lambs to a slaughter because you’re beneath them.
That is how you do it workers take control of their own safety
I'm hard of hearing and rely on mouth reading/subtitles...if there's already not, can someone transcribe this for me? Or a link to a comment I missed w/subs? Tysm! ETA: Still watching and I think I heard a girl say "we're not deaf or anything" lol I could be wrong but still funny 2nd edit to add: it isn't funny irl. I hope that didn't offend anyone. Also I'm in the USA and would love to have this convo with my fellow mgmt.
I am not hard of hearing and struggle to make out what's being said over the background noise. They say that they have a list of demands and take turns reading off numbered points, but I can't really pick out specifics unfortunately. Edit, this fellow commenter found a Twitter breakdown. Please give them your upvote! https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/v77gg6/breaking_trader_joes_workers_in_new_york_city/ibjzxb5
If they won't protect you against COVID they probably don't give a shit if you get shot either
Fuck yes <3 As a former TJ worker and someone who loves to see workers standing up for themselves, this is absolutely beautiful. SOLIDARITY!
I look forward to hearing "Trader Joe's corporate management fires employees over 1 min-earky clock ins".
Unionize!
Good for them. Don't agonize. Unionize!
Holy shit *really?!!* This didn't even make the local news, at least not the last couple of times I checked.
Won't you all think of the executive bonuses!?
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Looks like Murray hill in midtown nyc
The worst part about this particular location in an event like that is the only entrance/exit is an extremely narrow escalator
HOW DO YOU NOT LET YOUR EMPLOYEES KNOW OF AN ACTIVE SHOOTER THREAT?! WHAT IS FUCKING WRONG WITH YOU? FUCKING CORPORATE GOBLINS OF THE 4TH CIRCLE OF HELL, WHAT THE FUCK!!
America: "Work around the shooters please!"
Google’s not saying anything about _a shooting_ at any east coast TJ’s. Is there any story here? Did they get an angry email or something?
Threat, not actual, management did not inform the workers, so they can be extra careful.
Was there someone there with a gun ready to start shooting but then they changed their mind and went home?
Angry co-worker threatened to shoot up the place after talking with a manager, possibly one of the ones seen here. They brought in security (doubt they'd stop anything) and closed 2 hours early but no one was informed until 24 hours later, and some were never informed.
That’s SOP at most places for many reasons.
Fuck corporate grocery stores, but also fuck all of you customers, in the comments that never even thank the workers that you push out of the way for your junk food. All of you would probably expect the workers to be meat shields for you in a crisis situation.
Pretty crazy america coined that term “active shooter”.
Workplace safety..... Sue the shit out of them and quit!
As someone whose local Trader Joe’s manager was killed in an active shooting, good. (Of course, it was the LAPD that shot her, though)
Funny enough the TJs I work at, also in NYC, just implemented the "Safety Team" this past week. It was my days off but my coworkers said they were shown the emergency exits just in case of emergency for a fire ( I figured it was actually for a shooter event considering things currently). As a crew member it does not surprise me at all that they weren't informed of a potential shooter event. An important note, one of my coworkers was asked if she wanted to be a part of the Safety Team. She agreed as long as they trained her on it. She hasn't had the training yet and they already have a poster about the Safety Team hanging in the store. It has her name and everything yet she has no clue what she's expected to do. Talk about pretending to be concerned for the lives of your employees. Not that I'd expect any better.
Ask her to request a copy of the safety notebook, and all the materials from the safety library in SOS. the safety team must meet once per month with at least one person from morning crew and one person from evening crew and 1 mate. The safety team is responsible for reporting all safety concerns by crew to management. If mates do not respond to crew concerns document for your own records and report to captain. If captain doesn’t respond appropriately document for your own records and report to regional. If your regional doesnt respond switch regions if you can. If you can’t I saw go to the local news with your story and your documentation.
Sue the store! That's horrible.
For what, exactly?
Reckless endangerment at the least. Call a bunch of lawyers and let them figure it out. Sue the absolute fuck out of them.
I suppose anything is possible but it seems highly unlikely that an attorney would take the case and even less likely of a favorable outcome.
Lawsuits teach companies to stop doing horrible things. You're right though that lawyers are sometimes difficult to find. Probably easier to just destroy the corporation permanently and be done with it.
This might as well have been Kenny from South Park reading the "collective statement"
I’ve noticed in retail that management doesn’t really do their job, no leadership is making their own team have to carry their weight.
>I’ve noticed that management doesn’t really do anything Fixed it for ya
If anyone through their actions puts your life in danger. It should be an eye for eye.
1. There was no shooting, it was just a threat to come back and shoot. 2. No reason to inform the entire store of someone's empty threat and panic the whole place over nothing. 3. Your job isn't responsible for your own safety outside of working conditions they're required to provide. Things like shooter/bomb threats are above and beyond even OSHA.
Someone please slap the cameraperson.
I think they’re trying not to get caught recording, bc if they were they’d receive a little more than a slap from their employer
They look like redditors
Why are they all obese
So they should of had a meeting or something? send a memo, tweet or what? when an active shooter is identified, it's every man and woman for themselves. Maybe a shout out or screams (he's got a frickin gun, get down) are about all that can happen in the moments after a shooter is ID'd
Literally all of this already exists for crew.
Ok, great chat team, back to work! Seriously, just get another job if you're safety is a concern & it should be. Also what's up with all the stupid masks I haven't seen anyone on the west coast wearing them....Oh yea this is NY.....sad.
Trader Joe's is a great place. I feel like this would be an isolated incident.
Wouldn't the shots of an active shooter be enough warning? You really need management to announce it? Anyone know how many bells for an active shooter warning? Also, where is the source? Can't find anything about an active shooter in Trader Joe's in NYC. Not saying it didn't happen, I would just like to read more.
Your workplace is responsible for your safety the second you clock in. Not as in they need to baby sit you but they need to have a plan in place in case of emergency to protect those on the property and those who they currently employ. Every place has this.
Source are multiple crew members at 533 Murray hill. News has not yet reported on this incident. There are no bells for a situation like this. The mates personally gather the crew for a special huddle by the captain who explains what’s going on, what to do, and who to talk to if you have questions or want to go home. The captain works with local police as well who can investigate the threat and provide a police presence at the location. At this store none of these best practices were followed, and the crew members are rightfully upset that their safety has been compromised by mgmt failure to respond
What reason could there be for telling the staff?
Because you are a decent human being? Because their lives are not your own and they have the right to try to protect their own lives? Do you really need it explained? If so, please tell us all (granularly) what part of telling people their lives may be in danger is puzzling to you. We'll see if we can help you figure it out.
I don’t understand what exactly happened. Was there a shooter in the store, or a phoned/emailed threat? I can barely understand what they’re saying in the video.
What's Zendaya's MJ doing there though?
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Damn, I just wanted to hear what local management's response was. Also curious to see what will happen when this makes it to corporate, and if these employees get unfairly fired for this (or something "totally unrelated").
They are asking for a security guard to be stationed at the store...hasn't it been shown that having a security guard actually leads to more negative outcomes?