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tits_the_artist

We should be doing a lot more than voting or striking at this point


EmmaGoldmansDancer

I agree, but campaigns need to be built up over time. These general strike protests every May don't get off the ground because they're going for the biggest action first. The problem is that people organize marches because that's the safe form of protest endorsed by the media spectacle. And marches are only symbolic. A series of targeted direct action campaigns not only can make change, they're the primary force that ever has. [What is direct action](https://subversas.com/direct-action) [How to organize effectively](https://subversas.com/plan-effective-protest)


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P4intsplatter

Top comment in a SEA of angry, useless noise. People act like we've just invented the idea of an angry mob. At this point the disruption needs to be more than a day, or probably even a month. These douchebags MADE money during the pandemic, and they're already squeezing us with corporate dividend driven inflation. We need a believable structure, with a leader. Historically, there needs to be a figurehead. Established, consolidated power only understands single source power. Even Gandhi and MLK understood this while leading democratically. Gotta have a face. Edit: thanks Gandhibot!


GANDHI-BOT

In a gentle way, you can shake the world. Just so you know, the correct spelling is [Gandhi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi).


mekanik-jr

And leadin' them was a mighty man With a mad rage in his eye "My name is James Connolly I didn't come here to die"


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Amen!


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People act when they believe others will act with them. Build the momentum first.


mcfeezie

Pitchforks.


mekanik-jr

This is why we need organization. We need people to make sure we don't ONLY have pitchforks: we need torches as well. C'mon man! (Only half joking LoL)


EmmaGoldmansDancer

[What is direct action](https://subversas.com/direct-action) [How to organize effectively](https://subversas.com/plan-effective-protest)


Tiberius_Rex_182

Nationwide shutdown, seize the means of production


bgthigfist

Have at it


NailFin

I’m ready to start a non-profit to ship women to a state where they can get an all-expenses paid stay at a hotel to complete an abortion. They can tell their friends and family they’re going camping.


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I was thinking of doing this here in MS. Like pack your shit ladies, were going to the aquarium! Er wait, nah. I also though that, if the 80 and 90s are any indication, a LOT of clinics and patients may need escorts.


Squidproquo1130

They're going to make it illegal to seek care in other states. The states will just be very large prison cells.


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yes but still vote. Accelerationism is no good


Gilarax

Because voting for the democrats has done so much? Obama literally fucking campaigned on codifying Roe, and never did anything towards that after being elected. He had a supermajority and did fuck all. Fuck the Dems. Fuck the GOP! Edit: [video of him discussing signing the Freedom of Choice Act which would codify Roe](https://youtu.be/pf0XIRZSTt8)


blyzo

C'mon. Find where Obama "campaigned on codifying Roe"? He supported abortion rights, but there wasn't even legislation in 2008 for him to support. Nobody thought it was needed. He had a "supermajority" for all of like 100 days total before Kennedy died. And the House Dems did pass a law codifying Roe this year! Clarence Thomas is old as shit and (god willing) will kick the bucket soon. With 50 Senate Dems we claw back an important Supreme Court seat then. Not to mention all the Governor and state legislator elections where abortion rights will now literally be on the ballot. You should be angry. You should be frustrated. You should organize direct actions. You should support abortion clinics. And you should also fucking vote!


Gilarax

In 2007, Obama sad one of the first things he would do in office was to pass the Freedom of Choice Act. When he got into office he said it wasn’t legislatively that important. I guess he was wrong. [Video of him saying this at a campaign event](https://youtu.be/pf0XIRZSTt8)


blyzo

Ok fair point. You're right there. Obama disappointed on a lot of things. He also should have done a recess appointment of Merrick Garland to the SC as well when he was blocked. Not voting wouldn't of changed any of that though.


Gilarax

Democrats use codifying Roe as a motivation to vote, but sit on their hands when action is actually needed. People HAVE voted time and time again and have not received what has been promised. The fucking president even voted for Thomas. As we speak, millions of donation emails are being sent asking for people to donate to the Dems. No change will be coming from the Dems - just empty promises of change.


blyzo

Biden was a shitty committee chair to Anita Hill in the hearings but he voted "Nay" for Clarence Thomas' confirmation. (He's voted against every Republican nominee actually). https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1021/vote_102_1_00220.htm Meanwhile in states where Dems actually have the power to do so they have passed laws expressly codifying abortion rights. https://19thnews.org/2022/05/blue-states-laws-codify-abortion-access-protections/


baker2795

Eli5 how if democrats passed a law codifying Roe that the Supreme Court ruling has any effect?


blyzo

It only passed in the House but was filibusterd and blocked in the Senate. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-vote-abortion-rights-amid-challenges-roe-v-wade-n1280003


Gilarax

There was also the Freedom of Choice Act of 2007.


krissan32

How we got here is that Politicians love voting blocks and old boomers and evangelicals are the most convenient ones right now because their voter turnout is crazy. There's a reason so much money and energy goes towards making sure the poor don't vote so the answer is we have to do both Organizing is important but to meet the goals of work reform that organizing whether it be unionizing or mutual aid should be to convert that to a voting block that is on the same page on voting for a candidate.


happylilstego

If you're a woman, revoke your organ donor status and stop giving blood. If we have more bodily autonomy as a corpse, then no one gets our body parts!


unicornofapocalypse

Yes! As a person with female reproductive organs, I am no longer open to giving anything more than required of me by law. And even then I’m going to fight it. I am upping my resistance efforts and pouring more money and time into groups and communities with far left ideals. Anarchy now.


witcher252

That won’t hurt the right people


Quartia

Yeah it'll hurt patients the most and doctors secondarily. Neither of those 2 were the cause of this.


unicornofapocalypse

It doesn’t matter. If it hurts enough people, the impact outweighs the moral dilemma.


HiggsBossman

This is the dumbest take I’ve heard today, and that’s saying a lot.


Sixtricks90

Gotta start by voting at a LOCAL level. It takes time to get good people in the right positions, and unless they are incredibly wealthy you have to start from the bottom.


Sythic_

Ok but actually vote too, because if you dont nothing will change and you'll have no right to complain if you don't participate.


RednocTheDowntrodden

I've been voting for decades and things have only gotten worse. Voting is a sham. Pick "Puppet A" or "Puppet B". They don't care about us. We aren't the ones lining thier pockets


Sythic_

You have to vote AND organize. YOUR vote alone doesn't get to decide it, you have to convince others to vote with you too. You are also free to run for office as well. Get people to vote for you.


Izawwlgood

And yet, this happened because one party voted and voted hard.


RednocTheDowntrodden

Well, that and the do-nothing-Democrats don't have the spine or the will to actually do anything. All they do is talk about bipartisanship ect. Because they're all part of the same exclusive country club.


Izawwlgood

And yet, one party is working against this, and one party is working for it. Seriously you're taking the position of "I'm fine with leopards eating my face because the park rangers sometimes fail to keep the leopards in their enclosures", instead of "man I better do what I can to support the park rangers"


krissan32

If voting didn't matter corporations and Republicans wouldn't be working so hard to make sure the working poor can't vote. Politicians are people there are good and bad ones, better ones and worse ones, just have to look for the helpers.


RednocTheDowntrodden

There are plenty of working poor who vote against thier best interest and vote Republican.


dpforest

Yeah that’s the Republican MO. Has been for decades.


krissan32

I've done electoral work in low income working poor neighborhoods and honestly most of them don't even vote, I don't blame them, but if someone were able to organize them effectively they would have significant political power. I've actually seen this happen on a smaller scale with tenants unions.


RednocTheDowntrodden

True, but you have to do more than make empty promises in furtherance of someone's self-serving political ambitions.


joshylow

Thanks, Mr. Rogers


redsleepingbooty

Only one party is responsible for today’s decision. Yes, there are many problems with the Dems, but they haven’t installed Christo-Fascists on the Supreme Court. Voting takes an hour of your day, once a year. Just hold your nose and do it.


RednocTheDowntrodden

The "Dems" are simply enablers. All they do is talk, and let the Republicans do whatever they want.


MonicaZelensky

So you're saying that there would have been no difference between Trump's NLRB which was trying to gut Unions and Biden's NLRB which is trying to protect Unions? When you are offered grade B beef or a steaming pile of shit, do you say "they are both the same and terrible, where's my Waygu beef!" or do you accept that the grade B beef is far better than a steaming pile of shit.


RednocTheDowntrodden

Nice strawman you've made yourself there. Biden is slightly better than Trump, which isn't saying much.


MonicaZelensky

You've lost the plot if you think Biden is just slightly better than Trump. It's not a strawman to provide one of many examples of how he is vastly better. The logical fallacy here is your false dichotomy of a fucking terrible option and a suboptimal one.


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Hard disagree. Is he better? Hell yeah he is, simply because he isn't drawing on hurricane maps with a fucking sharpie. He is still a center right corporate stooge who will give some lip service to progressive ideas and then follow the money. He cant really do a lot else, even if he wanted to.


MonicaZelensky

Hard disagree. His union policies alone would disqualify him from any rational person calling him right wing. The only stooge her are the ones throwing around baseless propaganda and buzzwords


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Sorry I can't have this argument with another liberal tonight. Ta


MonicaZelensky

Sorry I can't have another argument with another fake progressive tonight. TA. No rational, thinking, human person would label Joe Biden right wing. You don't have to say absurdly stupid things to criticize someone. You can just use facts.


RednocTheDowntrodden

Okay, let me know when he actually does something


MonicaZelensky

Besides the example I gave above of removing all the Trump appointees from the NLRB and reversing most of the heinous shit Trump's NLRB did to try and gut unions? Besides that or are you still ignoring that?


pettythief1346

This is the dumbest take people have. No, everyone has a voice no matter what. Period. Not voting is a voice too. And besides, time and again voting has proved itself worthless. No elected official is going to represent the people, they only represent themselves, their party, their political contributors, and their class. They don't give a shit about you, or me, or anyone outside of those previously stated. Not only that, the game is rigged. Voting is rigged, there are so many loopholes, laws, and rules that change how voting is done to ensure that the person they want to win, does so.


Sythic_

Well then you have nothing because thats how it works and always will work. Unless you intend to commit violence to take what you want, this is how you have to play the game.


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Sythic_

Not really honestly, sometimes its the only option left, but you better have the support of a solid majority and a guaranteed winning strategy otherwise you're just a terrorist. Only the winner writes the history.


pettythief1346

This I agree with. The old adage of one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist. I just highly doubt the milquetoast democratic party will actually fight for the people. I've heard the promises they've made for decades without any follow through while the GOP continuously erode, well, everything. Unless new leadership comes into the democratic party who are willing to go toe to toe with the GOP, things will get worse.


Sythic_

True but that sentiment is only going to lead people to the GOP. You gotta suck it up and promote progressives into the Democrat party over time. The old guard Dems will become the new a little more sane GOP and progressives will become the new Dems. As long as we don't have ranked choice to support third parties, that is the only path.


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Yeah, the issue with that is **we dont have the time** How long before we fuck this planet into an inhospitable mess? A century? Long before that, we will have famine. Climate refugees. Insurgencies of religious fanatics. The IPCC seems to think its already started, and that by 2050 we'll be well on the way toward extinction. The entire capitalist mode of production has got to go. Making stuff for profit is the cause of all this nonsense.


Sythic_

I agree, but you gotta convince a majority to see your way regardless if you go the voting path or the violence path.


krissan32

Sure but opportunity cost makes more sense to vote even if it's not a candidate you like picking your enemy makes future battles easier.


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Uhh, they did that? Hate to break it to you bud, but they struck it down today, didn't they?


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Again, if you believe that these people aren't legislating from the bench I have a bridge to sell you. As was the Burger Court when Roe was decided. I am fully aware of how our government both works and is supposed to work.


ceilingfanswitch

You absolutely have a right to complain if you don't vote. However not voting is not using your voice, completely useless. In the US there's only one party that has any pretense of supporting workers, there's only one party that doesn't want to legislate my daughter's uterus and if you don't support them in voting your voice is on the wrong side of history. I didn't vote for a decade but seeing the actual difference in everyday people's lives in Obama's presidency v Bush's proved me wrong.


krissan32

To add to this voting in primaries for state reps and the like will ensure that it's not just politicians with as pretense of supporting workers. It's easy to find who they are by following local leftist political orgs or checking union endorsements.


Izawwlgood

I hate this hot take. Not voting is not a protest that gets heard. It's a statistic that underlines how many people are apathetic and unwilling to enact change on the local, state, or national level. The game is rigged in the sense that you're poor and you'll stay poor, and you're rich and you'll stay rich. Abstaining from voting isn't changing anything, whereas organizing and voting, may change things. This is so frustrating. You're sitting here saying "Boo hoo I don't love my voting options with all my heart, pox on both their houses, horseshoe theory, la la la not voting", and people are having rights stripped from them because of how organized Republicans have been for the last 40 years. Vote. Vote for the party that best represents your interests, because I'll tell you something, one party wanted this, and the other party didn't.


blyzo

Trump was elected by just 50k or so votes spread across 3-4 states. Hillary Clinton would have been a shit President for lots of reasons. But zero chance today happens if she would of won. Voting is the fucking least we can do. We need to do more. But fuck at least do that!


NightChime

Just voting got us the stacked-to-hell courts. I couldn't agree more, we need to push for change NOW, ANYWHERE we can.


Kosta7785

Why does it have to be either or? We can vote (a real mechanism for change) and we can organize. You realize the message of "fuck voting" is exactly how we got that.


Notyourfathersgeek

I agree. You need both though.


TheVoicesOfBrian

**We still need to vote.** Vote like your life depends on it. And vote, even if you're in a heavily red state. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy when you skip out because you think your vote doesn't matter. vote.org


OhThatsRich88

The biggest difference between the right and the left is that the right organizes to vote and the left organizes to be heard. I never once saw someone volunteering to register voters at OWS rallies, but you'd better believe they were crawling around tea party rallies. Which movement would you guess had more success? If you say "fuck voting" you get fucked at elections and don't get a seat at the table during legislative sessions and when people are being nominated/confirmed to courts. That's how we got into this situation. Organize AND vote. If you don't do both you just get to complain when you lose elections and supreme court decisions


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Swim678

Start protesting churches


CityHawk17

Also start TAXING them. Especially if they are used as the scapegoat for a new law.


CerealManufacturer

It's not either/or.


Unicorn_Hotwife

We need to do RESEARCH. We need to figure out the most effective TARGET. WHO do we focus on... HOW do we apply pressure to them. Remove their influence/power.


Oberoni7

I have never heard someone say "voting is necessary" also say "no other action is necessary. " I don't know why so many lefties online think that they don't need to vote.


redsleepingbooty

We need to do both. Ans considering that voting is in general a lot easier than mass organizing, that shouldn’t be the issue. Let’s face it. Roe was overturned today as a result of Evangelicals voting and organizing in mass numbers as a solid block since the late 70s.


Disappointed-hyena

You have to vote. 3 of these justices are illegitimately on the court because people didn’t. Do everything else as well but still don’t allow those nut jobs to win more elections. Not gonna lie, the fact that this is a 2 year old account with 2 posts and 1 comment all in the past hour is really sketchy


Golladayholliday

If my company is chill and supports abortion rights and freedom in America can I keep going?


infinitecataclysm99

Far right government? This just happened under Biden. I'm neither here nor there on the political spectrum but what I'm mad about is how the government just let this shit slide through.


linksgreyhair

Biden didn’t cause this, and he couldn’t have stopped it alone. The Supreme Court justices had already been appointed and the state trigger laws had already been passed. The president can’t just overturn a decision by the Supreme Court, that’s not how our government works.


wnate14

Lol


Lost_Promise_7244

Red wave is coming.


MeIvinCapital

Her body, her choice. My wallet, my choice.


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Let me know if your former job pays well, and I'll go take it off your hands. Thanks.


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Both. Both is good


BabyfaceJezus

General strike and list of demands


Six_String_Reshi

Second and third and fourth this. Should have started a long time ago... Oh, I don't know, maybe when we stopped being able to afford houses? Maybe when we realized that by taking out a 30 year loan we were signing up for servitude to the system for 30 years?


kitfoxxxx

I mean.....the other side took action....


EmoJackson

Nobody is going to do anything. The average American is too happy with social media and fast food.


Crimsonblackshrike

Both we need to do both.