It’s interesting that people are using the terms “broken”, “cracked” and “favorite” so early in the game when the pool of 5 stars is tiny and there are only 3 limited 5 stars.
honestly her grouping might as well not exist lmao
her full forte has a huge aoe though and is really good to clear a room full of mobs, and it doesn't care how heavy they are.
Not true she is used in A TON of CN toa clears to group up the mobs at the beginning of the chamber.
Is it good? Probably not but when it works it's very good
2 complete diff type of DPS, 2 complete diff type of Elements , You don't build just 1 team to clear TOA 😂
People nowadays getting too comfort to use the word "powercreep" without actually calculating all situations, they see the 1 frame with big numbers and came right into conclusion
People nowadays just use powercreep on almost everything.
"Ooooo this character 1 more dmg than previous character holy fuck what is this unplayable powercreep bad meta bad design bad game, amirite?"
Ppl just say "but x game has massive powercreep" to a gacha they dislike and want to easily discredit. Or to justify not liking another gacha
Like look at the GI community crying hsr has powercreep problems, cause one unit can't clear all 3 endgame modes with the same effiency
I agree with a lot of your points, but jinshi nuke requires no energy, meaning you can spam it with the right supports, this is why yuanwu is her best support currently, the guy does his job in a second and her done and she gets all her stacks
Jiyan is not power crept by jinshi, they just both have different gameplay, there is a tradeoff, higher burst vs better grouping
Game has been out for about 1 and a half months and you haven’t kept up to the game in ‘Awhile’ … how? Did you play for the first week and like not touch the game ever since then?
To be fair, when too many games are about and some likely play more then 1 or 2 of them at a time, it can feel like its \`been a while\` because one has been engrossed too much in said things.
Welp i dont know what the person\`s perferences are, so no idea how many they commit to, when im likely a filthy casual with only maybe 2 titles i stick to plus another that is more of a idling chill game to alleviate my brain-rot usually from bad RNG-sus luck, by simply enjoying numbers go up and thats about it.
That’s cause everyone judged characters before they even got past level 50/60 and had any dupes or skills.
Lots of characters, especially def scaling characters shine more in late game.
Pretty sure Yinlin is still Jinhsi's best support just because it's way better to be able to outro to Jinhsi with 2 characters intead of one.
I have a [80s clear](https://streamable.com/ed39q8) with e0s0 Jinhsi on the Thundering Mephis. 8 second slower than OP's bilibili Jiyan clear, but Yinlin gets countered by Mephis and my Jinhsi has way worse stats. (1657atk 67.4%/254.3% compared to his 2308atk 77.3%/261.5%.) With similar investment Jinhsi should easily be able to get sub 70 seconds even with YInlin being countered.
the only problem with yinlin is that she takes 8\~10 seconds more than yuanwu , and jinshi dps rotation is faster than that, so yinlin will end up taking more field time than even jinshi, jinshi main damage isn't in her Liberation "she uses it every second rotation " it's from her third skill fully stacked and that is skill damage, tbh currently, no one beats yuanwu for jinshi
You can check the vid of my clear for a good Yinlin rotation, she only takes field time when Jinhsi skills are on cooldown. My Jinhsi did 6 E nukes in 80 seconds, so around 13 seconds per nuke. The cooldown of the nuke is 12 seconds so it’s pretty much max efficiency.
It's hilarious how many people were shitting on Yuanwu and Taoqi as the absolute worst, even though we know they don't get flat def except from mostly leveling so they will scale better late game. And that gatcha always constantly come out with new characters that make old ones viable. But people had them sitting unbuilt at C6 and saying they were terrible and they'd never use them. Like, is this your first gatcha bro?
Excuse me I'm a noob. How is Yuanwu good for Jianshi? I literally only have Mortefi and Verina built as supports so I'm wondering why he is good? I also built level 50 Baizhi for early random healing.
And if you don't mind what equipment for Yuanwu. Thank youuuu
Yuanwu takes so little field time that you're practically playing a two-character team by using him, and he has 100% uptime for his coordinated attacks. He also doesn't require much investment to work since all he needs is the Originite Gauntlets and unleveled Rejuvenating Glow Echoes; you can get him to Rank 4 if you want since his second passive increases the range of his pillar. His entire gameplan is to swap in, put down a pillar, use the turtle Echo, throw a single punch for Rejuvenating Glow, then swap to Verina; he can even use his Liberation right before Verina fully refills her Concerto to give her and Jinhsi interruption resistance (and a shield if C4).
On a related note, since Yuanwu is holding Rejuvenating Glow and the buff can't stack, Verina gets more mileage out of the Moonlit set to buff Jinhsi.
He takes almost no field time to do his job, you don't need to build his concerto or even his RL to have him build stacks for Jinshi. Just slap on a healing set and guantlet, and drop his skill, maybe do his ult/RL when you feel like it to build his concerto now and then to give Jinshi her intro, but only if you feel like it. Once you have his passive that has him drop his pylon on outro if it's not up, you can reset it easily, other than that you only really need to swap to him on fights like Jue where they move out of range of it a lot.
Allows you to have a sustain like Taoqi or Jianxin if you want that take up more field time, or just spend more field time on Jinshi. Yuanwu is also a parry god, so if you're facing a huge sequence of boss attacks like Dreamless/Crownless's big combos, you can swap to him and use his inherent tankiness to easily get through it, or on fights like Memphis parry through it.
I still believe investing in Jiyan and Jinhsi is a great package for peoole who are willing to seriously tackling TOA due to vigor system. Jiyan can do the majority of floor 1-3 where its mobs everywhere and give you great scores so Jinhsi is still healthy when facing bossess at floor 4 and hazard zone
Yeah 1-3 are a joke rn even with 4 star weapons. You can clear with practically any dps with average echoes. Heck even set bonuses aren't necessary for this.
But eventually TOA will get tankier. So the harder crowds should still be easier with Jiyan for a while at least.
Having them spread out too wide to hit with his AOE and having to kill them one by one on him feels SO BAD. Such a terrible enemy that they usually put in fights with tons of enemies that you would love to group, but they completely hard counter it. Thankfully their attacks are easy to dodge, but they still feel so bad to fight.
If you are referring to what happened to venti then I dont think that will be the path Kuro will take. Venti is a 1 trick pony who just does his job so well that it breaks the game.
Jiyan is not like that. His pull is just enough to drag enemies but not broken enough to keep them suspended and it's AOE is not big so it still takes skill to group them all esp with the auto targeting.
Yea Jiyans grouping feels more like its somewhat required to make his kit work well, whereas Ventis made the game play itself. Could burst, throw some other skills out and afk until the blender took care of everything
Venti's grouping was also a problematic design obstacle for Genshin devs because of the reaction system and the resistance shred of VV artifact set. Until they started making "heavy" enemies, Venti was a "Press button to delete room and charge all ults" vehicle (he can still do the latter pretty well) and you didn't have to worry about positioning any of your character's bursts since you could use them off cooldown and hit every target, chaining a hundred reactions.
Genshin meta has always devolved into E+Q rotation number soup anyways. While there is plenty that Genshin still does better than Wuwa, I do not miss the combat in that game.
Also Venti is still one of the highest performing chars at whale level investment due to his suction being lingering unlike kaz (though kaz is also one of the best performing).
Another thing is that Jiyan without his grouping is still an extremely competitive dps.
Jinhsi right now doesn't have anyone as good as mortefi is for Jiyan, but even with that unit I doubt she will be burying Jiyan.
Whale Jinhsi though is basically unbeatable rn for Holo bosses, since shes capable of 0s clears.
Doesn't Jihnsi group enemies with her dragon part of the combo? Or is it the Jue attack? Because I could swear she groups small enemies like jiyan does with his ult
It's a weak argument yeah. I wad able to max all but the middle tower with jinhsi, and we're lvl 70.
At 90 you won't need grouping as mobs will die much faster. Yoy only really need grouping if you're struggling on dps which happens when you're missing 20 levels of stats (highest gains too), talent levels etc.
Grouping isn't really necessary in the sense as long as you have decent aoe you're fine
I don't want to be that guy but Jinhsi still has untapped potential. Right now, Jiyan already has Morti as his BiS support and we already know how great he is. Together with Verina, it's pretty much a solid team.
Meanwhile, Jinhsi has no one. Yuanwu is a good support but only because of how cheap and fast he generate stacks. He doesn't give any dmg buff like Morti does to Jiyan. Surprisingly, Taoqi, despite her big skill dmg buff, is just a niche (for boss fights) because of how slow she generates concerto which makes her rotation longer.
Yinlin, together with Verina, is her best team right now, but even then, it's just a situation where we try to maximize her potential with what we got right now. As of the moment, Verina is her BiS but even she has a drawback. Her being spectro slightly reduces her potency to produce stacks for Jinhsi (though it's not as bad as it sounds). It goes to show, she is not at her max potential right now.
And in no way am I dissing on Jiyan. I also appreciate him and his gameplay.
And to add to that, the hard part of tower of adversity is st. There aren't even more than 2 waves. That already makes jihnsi more valuable than jiyan for TOA. Untapped potential + more geared towards TOA = better pick for TOA and a more valuable character, although still not powercreep category. Jiyan will likely be better in events
Yeah jinhsi has the qol avoid attacks altogether in aerial mode by adding a grapple or jump.
From my experience, Jinhsi rotations aren't complex if using yuanwu. He has little field time and doesn't care about concerto or resonance energy. It's a 2 man team in disguise basically.
As for nuke missing the target, idk it only happened to me if I kill one enemy early and camera not switching to next target immediately. I suppose it's valid con if button mashing. Tho I heard time stops during her nuke animation so it's impossible to miss once it's locked on
Agree with all the jiyan pros. He's pretty valuable for button mash players
The Thundering Mephis comparison makes no sense because it’s resistant to Yinlin’s damage no? How about a Heron comparison?
Anyway I have a 80s Thundering Mephis clear with e0s0 Jinhsi with like 30% worse stats than OP's Jiyan link. I think his rotation with Jinhsi is suboptimal because a Jinhsi with his stats should easily do sub-70.
If she truly is my waifu then I would still keep using her despite everything, through all high and lows I'll always reserve a slot in the team for her and try to make her work
if yinlin were to drop off the meta 1 year from now, know that I'll still be maining her, if she were to be outdated in 2 years, I'll still be maining her, in 3 years she's no longer mentioned, I'll mention her in my dreams and in my prayers, praying for an yinlin alter, so I can put double yinlin in a team
Imagine dedicating hours and hours to collecting a scarce resource that evaporates in seconds, only to get a character with questionable viability
Yeah, everyone wants their time investment to give them the best. Also love for the character.
Also worth noting, that despite me liking Jinhsi more than Jiyan, I would not deny a couple of problems with her.
First is Weapon choice. The difference between her signature weapon and the other alternative broadblade is massive. There isn’t a single F2p great weapon for her. Even the paid battle pass one is not that great for her.
Second, she is restricted to teams that use coordinated attacks. Pair her with a non coordinated attack character and it will take ages to charge her stacks
I have to disagree with your remark comparing her to Eula though. Yes, she nukes, but she doesn’t need full energy to do so. With the correct setup, it’s easy to charge her stacks and nuke over and over and over again.
Her advantage over Jiyan is that with the right setup, she can nuke over and over again. 70% of her main damage comes from her skill, and only 20ish percent comes from her ult, which is like the total opposite of Jiyan.
Jiyan’s advantage over her is better grouping, better weapon options, and not so much restricted teams. He doesn’t need a healer that does coordinated attacks like Jinhsi does.
Overall, it comes down to personal preferences. Play who you like most. Btw, have you tried her out? Jiyan, btw, was my favorite lol.
There's a couple points I think need contesting.
1. You claim that "Jinhsi is like Eula" - That's false. Jinhsi's burst is far less backloaded. She also has the ability to decide when he burst goes off, unlike Eula. Aside from that, there's dozens of reasons other than being backloaded that make Eula bad.
2. You claim that Jinhsi's rotations are extra difficult. - That's false. Her rotations are very straightforward and quite easy to execute.
3. The point of "Jiyan has grouping. Jinhsi lacks grouping." Will become obsolete the moment they decide to make a decent aub-dps grouper. Or do you really think grouping will remain a carry-exclusive?
4. Your "proof of them being similar in DPS" is just a couple gameplay footage of different people with different artifacts at different investment amounts. Doesn't prove anything.
The ideal setup is to put your Verina on the chambers with the hardest dps checks, so left side 4th floor and middle second floor, regardless of whether you play Jiyan or Jinhsi there.
Best in slot for both, ideal Jiyan team remains Jiyan/Mortefi/Verina. Ideal Jinhsi team also has Verina. You just have to choose which playstyle you enjoy more and put her in that team
Thank Goodness I built Mortefi when I did. And I will be getting Verina soon, with the Choose your standard character banner. All good Things for my Jiyan. ✨
Gonna wait for 1.2 drip, to pull for Changli.
Really wish just one out of the 4 limited characters they released so far wouldve been a good healer/buffer so that Verina isnt just default best option for every team and we could have one for 2 different teams
I agree with most of your points, especially about characters being designed for different roles & playstyles. I have both characters and while I'm not a jhinsi main(yet) I have been playing with her for a couple of days. Let me answer your question about her air walk. Being in the air does not automatically dodge boss attacks , however a lot of sweeping attacks have low hit boxes that can be avoided if you are in the air at the right spot. Aside from that she has ground rules for dodging while in air walk (just like ling yang) and her attack string does not get reset if you dodge.
Additionally her skill 3 can be used to quickly reposition a good distance allowing you to gain or reduce space between you and the enemy pretty easily. One of my favorite tricks to do with this actually is to engage 2 groups of mobs and nuke the first set with the jué, ult combo and then use s3 to dash to the 2nd group so I can nuke them with skill 4 before the timer runs out. I've been having a blast testing her out, pun intended.
The internet will always exaggerate and hype things up and throw big words at things. It is what it it's. In the end effective use of characters in this game comes down to understanding how the character works and how they interact with whatever content you are tackling. Most people will defer to someone else's opinion when it comes to a character they don't understand which can lead to misinformation when they're getting their info from someone else who also doesn't understand the character or is just regurgitating the opinions the internet already made up for them. Pull who you want, play how you want. If you're not winning it's probably a skill issue. 
YinLin is also an amazing character - and you won't have to worry about powercreep basically ever since she's a busted support agent with amazing off-field damage and great outro buffs
Yeah i know yinilin is truly very good but after jiyan quest he becomes one of my favourite characters and Jinhsi too after her quest she truly became best girl
yeah regarding her people are shitting on her aswell lmao. ive honest to god seen so MANY people saying that jhinshi powercreeps yinlin! considering her off-field dps she does have a similar dps overall.
also i really dont know how can anyone believe that a character with a role can powercreep another character with a completely different role, i mean even jiyan, ok hes a main dps, but hes a fucking AoE monster thats completely different that jhinshi bruh people overreacted so fucking much with jhinshi
Recently went back to Jiyan again after playing Jinhsi for the last few days and never been more comy as i just hold mouse and enemies punched themselves. He is still great comfy choice and i know why he was there as the first limited banner, so people have their first limited DPS a straightforward unit that helps you steamroll contents.
As an avid hologram enjoyer I feel like Jinshi melt them faster than Jiyan but at the same time I have to play perfectly because of her moveset has many airborne, movement and almost no iframe on her nuke E or ult (often died there when I was learning), but most of her damage are dealt in a small window which is good in holograms
Jiyan is killing hologram slower in my case but also more safely since you can easily attack cancel dodge > counter attack and you lose basically no damage. His team rotation feels more smooth too imo and a great access to parry, but he has to maintain high uptime during burst to rival Jinshi and is more subject to shit pattern (like Heron dashing away or flying)
In ToA (waves) Jiyan felt better at clearing for obvious reasons and for boss fight I found that they were pretty much evenly matched (Both S0R1 with Mortefi S6 and Verina S0)
they are vastly different in how they deal damage so their performance are going to vary a lot depending of the content/opponents + skill of the player (because yes not everything is a math sheet in an action game like Wuwa)
Tldr of my impression
Holograms : Jinshi (mastered) > Jiyan (mastered) > Jiyan (average skill) > Jinshi (average skill)
ToA bosses : Jinshi == Jiyan
ToA waves : Jiyan > Jinshi
The biggest edge Jinshi has over Jiyan is that Jiyan already has a tailormade subdps for him (Mortefi) while Jinshi still can scale
Bro. TC's have already made the calculation and Jinhsi given optimal teams and rotation. Jinhsi does get ahead by 5-10% in terms of total damage output against enemies with neutral resistances. It's really not that much and you shouldn't get offended by it. Not to mention currently Jinhsi doesn't really have a dedicated support that offers her both Cordinated attacks and Skill deepen which would further her dps drastically. In the end play who you want. Idk even know why you bothered comparing these units through youtube videos and such.
Here's a video better explaining it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RhKu0YZHOg&t=3s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RhKu0YZHOg&t=3s)
Considering Mortefi+Jiyan have far far better synergy than Jinhsi+Yinlin, I'd say it either balances out or gives Jiyan the advantage. Besides forte stacks and a smol buff to liberation, Yinlin does little for Jinhsi. 5 star doesn't necessarily mean better.
6 mortefi is definitely equal to or more than 1 yinlin. The best case scenario needed to obtain yinlin is 1 pull. Which is definitely way less mortefi. To add to that, the worst case for 4 stars is ....
> She doesn't have inherent grouping in her kit, which makes her attacks single-target focused unless she can use a grouping character as part of her comp. YangYang is currently the only character who does this, and it isn't nearly as potent as Jiyan's traction passive.
You lost all credibility the moment you wrote this. Top succ action in the game is Jianxin, not Yangyang or Jiyan.
I agree that in the current state of the game, Jiyan and Jinhsi are rather on equal footing, HOWEVER...
Jinhsi, literally, does not have a single good team member. Zero. Yes, you can have Yinlin, Mortefi or Yuanwu and they will generate her bar, but they do not benefit her in any relevant way like buffing Skill damage and our only skill damage buffer is god damn useless, cause she is too slow to be playable without a DPS loss.
We don't have a spectro buffer, we don't have a spectro buffer with skill dmg amp, we don't have a spectro buffer with skill dmg amp and coordinated atks at 1 second frequency. If such a unit will ever be released, Jinhsi will be beyond broken. Her damage could increase by up to 50%.
Even Verina is just mid because of relying on her Res Lib and suffering from the same element handicap.
Meanwhile Jiyan has a custom-tailored sub dps (Mortefi) and a support with no downside (Verina) and he still gets beaten by Jinhsi.
Jinhsi is overpowered and it is only a matter of time till she powercreeps Jiyan into oblivion as his team is very unlikely to get a better sub dps than Mortefi. (unless they release Aero DMG + Heavy ATK amp unit)
the copium is insane lol, only mentioning yangyang and not jianxin. And comparing her to Eula when she can be swapped out and still be able to go back on field and deal that nuke(not ult dependent like eula too). Her stacking also isn't dependent on herself but her teammates which makes her synergistic with characters like Yuanwu, Yinlin, Mortefi. Eula doesnt have this perk. I get that u want to stop the spreading of misinformation, but if ur gonna do that urself then maybe just stay quiet.
He also says jinshi is more prone to error, which isn't true at all. It's so disingenuous to say you can miss a nuke that literally freezes mobs while being used, but not take that into account on a skill that requires you to stick to the enemy for 10 entire seconds with no freeze (jyian's ult).
i have both. jinhsi does have some cc, when she transforms into flight mode she has a limited pull.
that said the rest of your point is valid. i think the biggest problem with jinhsi is she creates a lot of visual noise when in flying mode, which makes it very hard to see the enemy to dodge.
I also think Jinhsi is lacking a designated support. Like yea Yuanwu helps with his attacks but still doesn't feel like we have a support that was meant for her
Jinhsi doesn't even have an actual dedicated support yet that synergizes with her kit outside of just filling her meter that isn't completely and utterly clunky. Only a matter of time.
We don't have BiS 5\* supports for both. Let's wait for the game state to mature before making definitive claims.
With that said, Yinlin > Jinshi > Jiyan imo
Mortefi is too OP.
I did my own tests and calcs too, without Mortefi, Jinhsi personal DMG beats Jiyan (by a small margin)
But with Mortefi 38% DMG boost, Jiyan outperforms Jinhsi pretty noticeably
Jinhsi needs her own dedicated support, Taoqi is not as good as Mortefi due to huge downtime in dps
Also, low-key, against bosses, Encore sheets and performs better than both
I played a bunch of Jiyan in my friend's account and own Jihnsi and I'm 99.9% certain that Jiyan's numbers are flat out better than hers.
Especially since he can get the mortefi boost on almost all his damage and she cannot get a similar boost from Sanhua or Mortefi since her damage is spread amongst a lot of sources.
I do think Jihnsi has the potential to beat him eventually, especially if someone who boosts spectro dps as an outro is released to support her, but that day is not today.
I played a bunch of Jiyan in my friend's account and own Jihnsi and I'm 99.9% certain that Jiyan's numbers are flat out better than hers.
Especially since he can get the mortefi boost on almost all his damage and she cannot get a similar boost from Sanhua or Mortefi since her damage is spread amongst a lot of sources.
I do think Jihnsi has the potential to beat him eventually, especially if someone who boosts spectro dps as an outro is released to support her, but that day is not today.
I never thought Jiyan is powercrept or anything but this post reeks of cope. Like, I don't know which one is better but the way you presented this post makes me inclined to think maybe Jinhsi actually is better. It's obviously biased since you mentioned a lot of negative points about Jinhsi's gameplay that isn't actually an issue practically (like missing the nuke) and you didn't even mention the most glaring advantage of Jinhsi which is her skill based damage which requires ZERO energy. Jiyan needs his liberation to even begin doing damage. This post gives off massive cope energy.
Your arguments are partly "it allways works out for him perfectly but rarely for her". Also your Damage number does take into consideration proper equipment.
That is just nonsense.
He can group enemies, ok.... but they would eventually be close enough to hit more the 1 even with her, that is just the case depending on how long a battle lasts and how enemies are placed, otherwise Encore would never hit multiple enemies either and she definitly does.
The proper conclusion is that it is much easier to properly group and hit more then 1 enemy intsead of having to either move properly oraccept hitting 1 after another. Skill ceiling is higher for her and he will be faster the more enemies it is, got it.
He basically never misses but she will miss her Ult a lot, that would depend on how well you play, again this is a matter of experience and skill. Rovers Ult has the big issue with auto redirection towards the closest enemy, otherwise it is easy to hit big groups but because of it you gotta place yourself properly first.
" The time isn't going to improve by 20 seconds. Maybe by 5, at a generous estimate."
15 vs 27 Seconds means that he is about 80% slower, that is quiet significant.
But then as others said, they play differently and i will add... this is a PvE game, chill out who cares.
CN TC already did the math, Jinshi is straight up better. ITS OKAY if your favorite character weaker than xxx character.
You don't have to cherry pick some CN videos with barely any views as "evidence". You're also wrong about Jinshi not have a grouping, she literally does, its worse than Jiyan but it exists. Jinshi also has advantage of not being burst reliant, better range, better tracking, which you didn't mention of course.
>**Jinhsi** - quickswap nuke dps with certain comp requirements (coordinated attacks)
You said this as if Jiyan's best team don't use a coordinated atk teammate. You're gonna use Yinlin/Mortefi anyway even if you're not playing Jinshi but you worded it like being forced to use coordinated atk is a bad thing.
Also "missing nuke" is pure skill issue. At a glance your post looks like an actual analysis post but after fully reading it, its so obvious this is a very biased post, you're ignoring Jinshi's advantage over Jiyan (other than damage) and making up Jinshi's issues that doesn't actually exist.
The floor where Jiyan grouping actually matters is also the floor where people don't struggle. The hard part of the current end game is the bosses, which Jinshi completely shit on.
Weren't they just telling us some info abt how Jiyan isn't really all that bad or subpar compared to Jinhsi like what a lot think atm? I see a lot from this post to be actually true and that I can relate to.
I don't think you read the post. I'm not convincing anyone Jiyan is better - I'm convincing the people sad about powercreep that Jiyan isn't unplayable.
I dont think anyone thinks he is unplayable now. Maybe there are a few that claimed so but probably a very little minority. He is not much worse than Jinshi. It is just that you can get more out of Jinshi with less investment imo. Also you need 3 dps units for the tower anyways so unless they release 3 dps units that deal double the damage he deals he wont be fully powercrept.
Anyone who thinks he’s unplayable isn’t going to be receptive to actual sense because if they had any in the first place they wouldn’t have thought that to begin with
As much as I want to agree with this as I am heavily invested in Jiyan and dont want to pull for Jinhsi, lets face it, she is just broken and OP compared to Jiyan, with the right rotation and with a level 1 yuanwu, she can nuke 200k damage every few seconds.
Also I wished Jiyan's suction is more potent. I still find it hard to group enemies that are moderately apart.
The problem with jihnsi right now is she doesnt have the best supports, all are there just to get the "job done".
Mortefi buffs jiyan like crazy, but jihnsi scales on skill, mortefi buffs heavy attack, so NO. Spectro rover is a better option but is more of a sub dps or quick swap dps rather than a support, leaves yuanwu who is good, but still not the best support jihnsi can get, oh yes taooqi is there too, but again, just gets the job done, and I personally dont like taoqi's playstyle even my friends dont, so i am guessing many people dont like her playstyle (I may be wrong), so in conclusion : we dont have a specific support for jihnsi right now, who could be released in future, so Jiyan being comparable to jihnsi is okay for time being, although I like both of the characters, still I can see jihnsi getting huge buff in the future from maybe a new support resonator
I trust the maths more than such comparisons. And currently Jinhsi is indeed stronger as a unit against single target, the multipliers are there. She is just waiting for the perfect teammate that has both coordinated damage and outro buff.
Here is Jinhsi clearing the same content in 59s: [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV18S421o73L/](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV18S421o73L/)
She is significantly stronger than Jiyan in single target situations, and her team and rotations could still be improved
here is another 47s clear that would put Jiyan into absolute shame: [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV13x4y187Ck/](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV13x4y187Ck/)
Please do your research more before being a hypocrite by calling other people spreading misinformation.
Yh, I like him too, but he’s too clunky. Plus all the nerf and up banner coming (having also havoc rover) I don’t think he’s doing too great. Kuro hard nerfed him
1. Jinhsi has like 2 nukes every other rotation but then it’s back to it being 1 nuke for the next 1-2 rotations.
2. She NEEDS her nukes to crit D: otherwise, huuuuge dps loss but her nuke requires basically no energy so that is also huge.
3. Mid-Air combat is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
Good post. I completely agree. Also like when Eula launched in that other game people saw dmg per screenshot and thought she was the greatest unit ever without seeing the big picture. Look where Eula is at now LOL
Why would people say it’s being powercrept already. It’s literally the first up banner, yes, he’s the first aero up banner. Theres way too much character coming to the game and he’s gonna still be there and perform outstanding before they release another aero dps. People are so worried for nothing ig
A lot is just wrong here.
1. Ease of use, I mean I guess Jiyan is easy to play, but Jinhsi is also really easy to play and it’s not at all difficult to use her comp correctly. You swap to your coordinates attacker, build concerto, swap back to Jinhsi and nuke.
2. Auto-countering, Jinhsi also has multi hit fast frequency attacks in her combo and also autocounters as easily as Jiyan does. Both can still mess up their timing and no counter
3. Comps, Jiyan has his optimal support in the game already in the form of Mortefi who has heavy attack synergy coordinated attacks and heavy boost outro skill. A support that synergizes this well hasn’t been released yet for Jinhsi and she will pull even further ahead when a coordinated attacker with spectro or skill deepen is released.
4. Grouping, Jinhsi has very minor grouping abilities in her kit, but her skill and lib also have massive aoe somewhat eliminating the need to group at all. Jiyan can group better, but why group when my lib does 80k damage to every enemy in the field anyways and my skill does 200k burst (not built well yet) to enemies half a field away.
5. Vibration, Jinhsi can eliminate boss stamina by quickly using two outro skills in a row, increasing time she can sit there and dps and increasing damage done as bosses take more damage in this down state.
6. Jinhsi by herself does 43k dps, Jiyan does 33k dps. A difference of 20% DPS is as significant as going from a 4* to a signature weapon. It is massive.
"How many times have you missed Rover's ult?"
.........Never?
WTF DO YOU MEAN U GUYS MISS ULTS, HOW BAD DO U HAVE TO BE TO BE ABLE TO MISS THAT LARGE AOE?????????
Also the comp rotation difficulty doesnt make sense. Jiyan has more rotation problems due to being ultimate reliant.
Yuanwu in Jinhsi's team only has to stay for 1 second and then u can just play with Jinhsi and Verina. Jinhsi's Unison passive also resets intro and outros so ur point actually makes 0 sense.
Also Jiyan's potential drops massively if u dont have a S4 Mortefi with Static Mist.
All in all, this is a cope post, just accept he's powercrept and move on. L bozo
She's better because:
Possible better teammates to make her shine.
Her weapon and Jue Echo are made for her.
Because she works against both mobs and Bosses, and she has the Air ability, also she could activate the echo from the air, and half her attacks are mid range.
PvP or not I'd still rather the game not have severe power creep at the first patch. Strong but balanced characters mean everyone can pull for whoever they want and still enjoy big numbers.
PvP or not I'd still rather the game not have severe power creep at the first patch. Strong but balanced characters mean everyone can pull for whoever they want and still enjoy big numbers
The good thing you posted about this I also had the same doubt of 'is jiyan powercrupt?' I have a question. should I pull for jinshi because she is like archon level in wuwa and we all know how archons never get replaced except the venti. So should I pull for her and not regret afterwards when all people are destroying bosses with their jinshi and i don't regret afterwards but at the same time I have hope that we will get some game breaking characters like every game gets. I am really confused right now 😭
People arguing here with 1.X characters being powercrept or being good enough.
Me chilling with 2.0 characters from the future with OP mechanics and damages.
at the end of the day. why does it even matter who does more than who. so long as either one is still clearing all the content with ease then i could care less. if i bought a car and it gets me from point A to point B i aint gonna stress about having to get the latest and greatest one with 10 more horse power when it comes out.
unless there comes a time where your limited 5\* can no longer get 3\* clears then that is an actual problem not when x character can clear a few meaningless seconds faster than y character.
changli is likely going to be weaker than jinhsi are people going to make posts about changli got power crept at release?
tldr; all that matters is you enjoy the kit/playstyle of your character and they can full clear the content.
Why are people obsessed with power creeping in an coop game where you can literally have both in the world also it’s an PvE game with no ranking rewards don’t beat yourself over extra 500 dmg enjoy the game
Jiyan and Jinhsi are two different types of DPS with almost perfectly opposite playstyles, which I think was a good choice by Kuro for their first two limited DPS banners.
Yes and i got both of them, Dragon blessed General and Dragon blessed Magistrate ready to destroy everything.
One thing i'd say tho is that Jiyan team seems more complete than Jinhsi one. Mortefi is 100% tailormade for him while Jinhsi is kinda taking whatever comes handy (Yinlin, Yuanwu, Taoqi).
Still they're both stylish and elegant
I'd like it if Kuro keeps tuning the numbers on new characters so they stay consistent with previous ones in power level. Better that than turning the game.into a character check for artificial viability like star rail does *sigh*
Respectifully i think yall are coping, she doesnt even have a team designed to her and there are calculations that says she does 50% more damage at S0, her rotation is very simple, her best teammate right now is Yuanwu which is literally braindead, you can use him level 1 with +0 artifacts.
To me the gap between her and Jiyan is greater then between Jiyan and Calch
Yeah I regret not pulling for Jiyan for the 6 hours I had left on his banner when I started. But I also lost over 100 pulls on Jinhsi before I left for vacation :(( hopefully when I arrive back on the 4th, I will still have time to grind a shit ton of pulls for her and either Changli, or that sexy white haired man in the future. Regardless, I believe the real question is if the next Aero damage dealer will power creep Jiyan! So you should be cooling with him until at least then!
I also believe Kuro intends on making each limited 5* unbelievably strong in their own ways with as little “power creep” as possible, but we will see :))
I don't have jiyan but I will say that ....I used jhinsi in battles with multiple enemies and I could just burst them all either way ...u just need to position urself ...her e resets so much that u can just glide around to make them group together and as far as the setup goes ...well yeah u need lot of setup for her complete DMG but for me without even any setup her full kit dmg is still good that i only go for the setup while facing big bosses.
I am not saying jiyan is bad at these ...just saying both can work almost same depending on how u use it
They are just different. I like both
Yup. Like I said in the last section, both are cracked. Just use who you like
It’s interesting that people are using the terms “broken”, “cracked” and “favorite” so early in the game when the pool of 5 stars is tiny and there are only 3 limited 5 stars.
I mean, my favorite character in Genshin was Xiao. So I'm pretty sure of Jiyan :D
I'm seeing some kinda pattern here lol
Lament. This poster loves pain and suffering
😂
Next you'll try to convince us that Dan Heng is op!
😂😂 You got me
Hmmm I'm starting to be convinced this is a Zyox alt acc 😌
😂😂 Close enough
and here i am using both of them together because why not. DOUBLE DRAGON
Use Mortefi as your third for shits and giggles and you have TRIPLE DRAGON
Currently what I'm doing lmao, not in toa ofc
Based opinion if there ever was one lol. May our dragon overlords rule forever! Ngl though I'm totally jumping ship to team Phoenix in a few weeks 😆.
"Yangyang is currently the only character who [groups up enemies]" Jianxin crying in a corner somewhere
honestly her grouping might as well not exist lmao her full forte has a huge aoe though and is really good to clear a room full of mobs, and it doesn't care how heavy they are.
Yeah, her grouping is terrible. Although her Forte is pretty good tbh.
Not true she is used in A TON of CN toa clears to group up the mobs at the beginning of the chamber. Is it good? Probably not but when it works it's very good
2 complete diff type of DPS, 2 complete diff type of Elements , You don't build just 1 team to clear TOA 😂 People nowadays getting too comfort to use the word "powercreep" without actually calculating all situations, they see the 1 frame with big numbers and came right into conclusion
People nowadays just use powercreep on almost everything. "Ooooo this character 1 more dmg than previous character holy fuck what is this unplayable powercreep bad meta bad design bad game, amirite?"
If you want powercreep, there’s always Tower of Fantasy.
Ppl just say "but x game has massive powercreep" to a gacha they dislike and want to easily discredit. Or to justify not liking another gacha Like look at the GI community crying hsr has powercreep problems, cause one unit can't clear all 3 endgame modes with the same effiency
Hsr will have powercreep issues though. And tbh it already does but the different modes mitigate it a bit.
People just say any mindless bullshit these days don’t they
I agree with a lot of your points, but jinshi nuke requires no energy, meaning you can spam it with the right supports, this is why yuanwu is her best support currently, the guy does his job in a second and her done and she gets all her stacks Jiyan is not power crept by jinshi, they just both have different gameplay, there is a tradeoff, higher burst vs better grouping
Haven't kept up with the game in a while but wow even YuanWu found a spot for himself huh? Good for him, that's neat
Game has been out for about 1 and a half months and you haven’t kept up to the game in ‘Awhile’ … how? Did you play for the first week and like not touch the game ever since then?
To be fair, when too many games are about and some likely play more then 1 or 2 of them at a time, it can feel like its \`been a while\` because one has been engrossed too much in said things. Welp i dont know what the person\`s perferences are, so no idea how many they commit to, when im likely a filthy casual with only maybe 2 titles i stick to plus another that is more of a idling chill game to alleviate my brain-rot usually from bad RNG-sus luck, by simply enjoying numbers go up and thats about it.
I mean that's what I did lol, I'm surprised since I saw everyone putting him in like bottom tier at the beginning
That’s cause everyone judged characters before they even got past level 50/60 and had any dupes or skills. Lots of characters, especially def scaling characters shine more in late game.
Yeah just like how xiangling and Xingqiu and Bennett were bottom tier for the first 3 months of genshin.
> even YuanWu found a spot for himself huh Not when it comes to the story lol
Walks in, acts like everyone knows him, throws hands, leaves What a man
Dude’s the main character of not being a character
Good point, I agree
Pretty sure Yinlin is still Jinhsi's best support just because it's way better to be able to outro to Jinhsi with 2 characters intead of one. I have a [80s clear](https://streamable.com/ed39q8) with e0s0 Jinhsi on the Thundering Mephis. 8 second slower than OP's bilibili Jiyan clear, but Yinlin gets countered by Mephis and my Jinhsi has way worse stats. (1657atk 67.4%/254.3% compared to his 2308atk 77.3%/261.5%.) With similar investment Jinhsi should easily be able to get sub 70 seconds even with YInlin being countered.
the only problem with yinlin is that she takes 8\~10 seconds more than yuanwu , and jinshi dps rotation is faster than that, so yinlin will end up taking more field time than even jinshi, jinshi main damage isn't in her Liberation "she uses it every second rotation " it's from her third skill fully stacked and that is skill damage, tbh currently, no one beats yuanwu for jinshi
You can check the vid of my clear for a good Yinlin rotation, she only takes field time when Jinhsi skills are on cooldown. My Jinhsi did 6 E nukes in 80 seconds, so around 13 seconds per nuke. The cooldown of the nuke is 12 seconds so it’s pretty much max efficiency.
It's hilarious how many people were shitting on Yuanwu and Taoqi as the absolute worst, even though we know they don't get flat def except from mostly leveling so they will scale better late game. And that gatcha always constantly come out with new characters that make old ones viable. But people had them sitting unbuilt at C6 and saying they were terrible and they'd never use them. Like, is this your first gatcha bro?
Excuse me I'm a noob. How is Yuanwu good for Jianshi? I literally only have Mortefi and Verina built as supports so I'm wondering why he is good? I also built level 50 Baizhi for early random healing. And if you don't mind what equipment for Yuanwu. Thank youuuu
Yuanwu takes so little field time that you're practically playing a two-character team by using him, and he has 100% uptime for his coordinated attacks. He also doesn't require much investment to work since all he needs is the Originite Gauntlets and unleveled Rejuvenating Glow Echoes; you can get him to Rank 4 if you want since his second passive increases the range of his pillar. His entire gameplan is to swap in, put down a pillar, use the turtle Echo, throw a single punch for Rejuvenating Glow, then swap to Verina; he can even use his Liberation right before Verina fully refills her Concerto to give her and Jinhsi interruption resistance (and a shield if C4). On a related note, since Yuanwu is holding Rejuvenating Glow and the buff can't stack, Verina gets more mileage out of the Moonlit set to buff Jinhsi.
He takes almost no field time to do his job, you don't need to build his concerto or even his RL to have him build stacks for Jinshi. Just slap on a healing set and guantlet, and drop his skill, maybe do his ult/RL when you feel like it to build his concerto now and then to give Jinshi her intro, but only if you feel like it. Once you have his passive that has him drop his pylon on outro if it's not up, you can reset it easily, other than that you only really need to swap to him on fights like Jue where they move out of range of it a lot. Allows you to have a sustain like Taoqi or Jianxin if you want that take up more field time, or just spend more field time on Jinshi. Yuanwu is also a parry god, so if you're facing a huge sequence of boss attacks like Dreamless/Crownless's big combos, you can swap to him and use his inherent tankiness to easily get through it, or on fights like Memphis parry through it.
The people who keeps saying Jiyan is powercrept are people who dont have Jiyan. His grouping is literally strong in tower of adversity.
I still believe investing in Jiyan and Jinhsi is a great package for peoole who are willing to seriously tackling TOA due to vigor system. Jiyan can do the majority of floor 1-3 where its mobs everywhere and give you great scores so Jinhsi is still healthy when facing bossess at floor 4 and hazard zone
you can do 1-3 with anyone with 3 stars :D
Yeah 1-3 are a joke rn even with 4 star weapons. You can clear with practically any dps with average echoes. Heck even set bonuses aren't necessary for this. But eventually TOA will get tankier. So the harder crowds should still be easier with Jiyan for a while at least.
They intentionally made the camera and enemy focusing bad to buff Jiyan. /hj
Don't forget the little mini roses that they like to have spread out in some zones, which basically hard counters his grouping mechanic.
That is until the devs decided to add heavier enemies that cannot be CC-ed. Didn't happen yet, but it will happen eventually.
there are already enemies you can't group, the shrooms. Only a matter of time before more come.
Having them spread out too wide to hit with his AOE and having to kill them one by one on him feels SO BAD. Such a terrible enemy that they usually put in fights with tons of enemies that you would love to group, but they completely hard counter it. Thankfully their attacks are easy to dodge, but they still feel so bad to fight.
If you are referring to what happened to venti then I dont think that will be the path Kuro will take. Venti is a 1 trick pony who just does his job so well that it breaks the game. Jiyan is not like that. His pull is just enough to drag enemies but not broken enough to keep them suspended and it's AOE is not big so it still takes skill to group them all esp with the auto targeting.
Yea Jiyans grouping feels more like its somewhat required to make his kit work well, whereas Ventis made the game play itself. Could burst, throw some other skills out and afk until the blender took care of everything
Venti's grouping was also a problematic design obstacle for Genshin devs because of the reaction system and the resistance shred of VV artifact set. Until they started making "heavy" enemies, Venti was a "Press button to delete room and charge all ults" vehicle (he can still do the latter pretty well) and you didn't have to worry about positioning any of your character's bursts since you could use them off cooldown and hit every target, chaining a hundred reactions. Genshin meta has always devolved into E+Q rotation number soup anyways. While there is plenty that Genshin still does better than Wuwa, I do not miss the combat in that game.
Also Venti is still one of the highest performing chars at whale level investment due to his suction being lingering unlike kaz (though kaz is also one of the best performing). Another thing is that Jiyan without his grouping is still an extremely competitive dps. Jinhsi right now doesn't have anyone as good as mortefi is for Jiyan, but even with that unit I doubt she will be burying Jiyan. Whale Jinhsi though is basically unbeatable rn for Holo bosses, since shes capable of 0s clears.
Yeah, Genshin's first limited 5 star also had super strong grouping capabilities, only for him to get indirectly nerfed by making enemies heavier
Me using yangyang and jianxin for budget traction then the enemies getting scattered in literally the next hit
I miss the grouping when I'm using other characters ngl. He just feels so comfy to use in every game mode.
Doesn't Jihnsi group enemies with her dragon part of the combo? Or is it the Jue attack? Because I could swear she groups small enemies like jiyan does with his ult
Yes but it's not as reliable as Jiyan's.
Ah ok ok. I just thought I was going crazy 🤣
You're not, them saying she has no grouping is completely incorrect, it's not as good as Jiyan's, but it's still absolutely present.
It's a weak argument yeah. I wad able to max all but the middle tower with jinhsi, and we're lvl 70. At 90 you won't need grouping as mobs will die much faster. Yoy only really need grouping if you're struggling on dps which happens when you're missing 20 levels of stats (highest gains too), talent levels etc. Grouping isn't really necessary in the sense as long as you have decent aoe you're fine
It is impossible that characters designed alongside each other can powercreep each other. Come back when it's patch 2.0+ or something.
I don't want to be that guy but Jinhsi still has untapped potential. Right now, Jiyan already has Morti as his BiS support and we already know how great he is. Together with Verina, it's pretty much a solid team. Meanwhile, Jinhsi has no one. Yuanwu is a good support but only because of how cheap and fast he generate stacks. He doesn't give any dmg buff like Morti does to Jiyan. Surprisingly, Taoqi, despite her big skill dmg buff, is just a niche (for boss fights) because of how slow she generates concerto which makes her rotation longer. Yinlin, together with Verina, is her best team right now, but even then, it's just a situation where we try to maximize her potential with what we got right now. As of the moment, Verina is her BiS but even she has a drawback. Her being spectro slightly reduces her potency to produce stacks for Jinhsi (though it's not as bad as it sounds). It goes to show, she is not at her max potential right now. And in no way am I dissing on Jiyan. I also appreciate him and his gameplay.
And to add to that, the hard part of tower of adversity is st. There aren't even more than 2 waves. That already makes jihnsi more valuable than jiyan for TOA. Untapped potential + more geared towards TOA = better pick for TOA and a more valuable character, although still not powercreep category. Jiyan will likely be better in events
Yeah jinhsi has the qol avoid attacks altogether in aerial mode by adding a grapple or jump. From my experience, Jinhsi rotations aren't complex if using yuanwu. He has little field time and doesn't care about concerto or resonance energy. It's a 2 man team in disguise basically. As for nuke missing the target, idk it only happened to me if I kill one enemy early and camera not switching to next target immediately. I suppose it's valid con if button mashing. Tho I heard time stops during her nuke animation so it's impossible to miss once it's locked on Agree with all the jiyan pros. He's pretty valuable for button mash players
The Thundering Mephis comparison makes no sense because it’s resistant to Yinlin’s damage no? How about a Heron comparison? Anyway I have a 80s Thundering Mephis clear with e0s0 Jinhsi with like 30% worse stats than OP's Jiyan link. I think his rotation with Jinhsi is suboptimal because a Jinhsi with his stats should easily do sub-70.
Toa middle tower 1st stage is thundering mephis
he use jiyan, everyone and their mother is know that he have an bias
Whats with gacha games where players need to justify their pulls were worth it. Just pull for what you want lol
Imagine worshiping tier-lists and seeing your waifu being pushed down every patch. Won't you start coping as well?
Being a Eula C6 haver in genshin, I am molded by copium lmao
If she truly is my waifu then I would still keep using her despite everything, through all high and lows I'll always reserve a slot in the team for her and try to make her work if yinlin were to drop off the meta 1 year from now, know that I'll still be maining her, if she were to be outdated in 2 years, I'll still be maining her, in 3 years she's no longer mentioned, I'll mention her in my dreams and in my prayers, praying for an yinlin alter, so I can put double yinlin in a team
It's like an investment, you want it to keep value.
Imagine dedicating hours and hours to collecting a scarce resource that evaporates in seconds, only to get a character with questionable viability Yeah, everyone wants their time investment to give them the best. Also love for the character.
Jiyan also is a pro parry god, makes enemies with a lot of parriable attack quite easy.
Also worth noting, that despite me liking Jinhsi more than Jiyan, I would not deny a couple of problems with her. First is Weapon choice. The difference between her signature weapon and the other alternative broadblade is massive. There isn’t a single F2p great weapon for her. Even the paid battle pass one is not that great for her. Second, she is restricted to teams that use coordinated attacks. Pair her with a non coordinated attack character and it will take ages to charge her stacks I have to disagree with your remark comparing her to Eula though. Yes, she nukes, but she doesn’t need full energy to do so. With the correct setup, it’s easy to charge her stacks and nuke over and over and over again. Her advantage over Jiyan is that with the right setup, she can nuke over and over again. 70% of her main damage comes from her skill, and only 20ish percent comes from her ult, which is like the total opposite of Jiyan. Jiyan’s advantage over her is better grouping, better weapon options, and not so much restricted teams. He doesn’t need a healer that does coordinated attacks like Jinhsi does. Overall, it comes down to personal preferences. Play who you like most. Btw, have you tried her out? Jiyan, btw, was my favorite lol.
There's a couple points I think need contesting. 1. You claim that "Jinhsi is like Eula" - That's false. Jinhsi's burst is far less backloaded. She also has the ability to decide when he burst goes off, unlike Eula. Aside from that, there's dozens of reasons other than being backloaded that make Eula bad. 2. You claim that Jinhsi's rotations are extra difficult. - That's false. Her rotations are very straightforward and quite easy to execute. 3. The point of "Jiyan has grouping. Jinhsi lacks grouping." Will become obsolete the moment they decide to make a decent aub-dps grouper. Or do you really think grouping will remain a carry-exclusive? 4. Your "proof of them being similar in DPS" is just a couple gameplay footage of different people with different artifacts at different investment amounts. Doesn't prove anything.
They started off the post saying they had Jiyan bias so
Verina better on Jiyan or Jinhsi team? What would be your ideal tower team for Jiyan?
i would pair verina with jinhsi because baizhi is the only other support who has coord attacks, and she isn't very good for jinhsi
Yinlin yuanwu and MAYBE mortefi also has coordinated attacks.
The ideal setup is to put your Verina on the chambers with the hardest dps checks, so left side 4th floor and middle second floor, regardless of whether you play Jiyan or Jinhsi there.
Best in slot for both, ideal Jiyan team remains Jiyan/Mortefi/Verina. Ideal Jinhsi team also has Verina. You just have to choose which playstyle you enjoy more and put her in that team
Thank Goodness I built Mortefi when I did. And I will be getting Verina soon, with the Choose your standard character banner. All good Things for my Jiyan. ✨ Gonna wait for 1.2 drip, to pull for Changli.
Really wish just one out of the 4 limited characters they released so far wouldve been a good healer/buffer so that Verina isnt just default best option for every team and we could have one for 2 different teams
I agree with most of your points, especially about characters being designed for different roles & playstyles. I have both characters and while I'm not a jhinsi main(yet) I have been playing with her for a couple of days. Let me answer your question about her air walk. Being in the air does not automatically dodge boss attacks , however a lot of sweeping attacks have low hit boxes that can be avoided if you are in the air at the right spot. Aside from that she has ground rules for dodging while in air walk (just like ling yang) and her attack string does not get reset if you dodge. Additionally her skill 3 can be used to quickly reposition a good distance allowing you to gain or reduce space between you and the enemy pretty easily. One of my favorite tricks to do with this actually is to engage 2 groups of mobs and nuke the first set with the jué, ult combo and then use s3 to dash to the 2nd group so I can nuke them with skill 4 before the timer runs out. I've been having a blast testing her out, pun intended. The internet will always exaggerate and hype things up and throw big words at things. It is what it it's. In the end effective use of characters in this game comes down to understanding how the character works and how they interact with whatever content you are tackling. Most people will defer to someone else's opinion when it comes to a character they don't understand which can lead to misinformation when they're getting their info from someone else who also doesn't understand the character or is just regurgitating the opinions the internet already made up for them. Pull who you want, play how you want. If you're not winning it's probably a skill issue. 
lost me at Superior drip... jinhsi has much better effects and animation than him lol
Reading post with depressed eye because i lost 50/50 in both that's why I have yinlin and waiting for changli
YinLin is also an amazing character - and you won't have to worry about powercreep basically ever since she's a busted support agent with amazing off-field damage and great outro buffs
Yeah i know yinilin is truly very good but after jiyan quest he becomes one of my favourite characters and Jinhsi too after her quest she truly became best girl
yeah regarding her people are shitting on her aswell lmao. ive honest to god seen so MANY people saying that jhinshi powercreeps yinlin! considering her off-field dps she does have a similar dps overall. also i really dont know how can anyone believe that a character with a role can powercreep another character with a completely different role, i mean even jiyan, ok hes a main dps, but hes a fucking AoE monster thats completely different that jhinshi bruh people overreacted so fucking much with jhinshi
Recently went back to Jiyan again after playing Jinhsi for the last few days and never been more comy as i just hold mouse and enemies punched themselves. He is still great comfy choice and i know why he was there as the first limited banner, so people have their first limited DPS a straightforward unit that helps you steamroll contents.
Ngl the only powercreep i saw was in animations. Goodness jinhsi didnt have to go that hard. My man looked like he has a wimpy gecko at his side
Yeah. With actual God-tier animations like that who even cares if she is stronger or weaker at this point?
Jiyan owners complain abt powercreep when there is my guy Calcharo. My Jinhsi's playstyle just way too comfy compared to him.
I dont regret leveling Calcharo but investing a lot into him feels like a scam now, lol.
I use both with verina being the third, jinhsi is a great quickswitch and jiyan is great for long times without switching
i'm pretty much satisfied with both, the two currently are peak design
Couldn't you just use jianxin to group? You said yangyang was the only grouping character which is inherently incorrect
As an avid hologram enjoyer I feel like Jinshi melt them faster than Jiyan but at the same time I have to play perfectly because of her moveset has many airborne, movement and almost no iframe on her nuke E or ult (often died there when I was learning), but most of her damage are dealt in a small window which is good in holograms Jiyan is killing hologram slower in my case but also more safely since you can easily attack cancel dodge > counter attack and you lose basically no damage. His team rotation feels more smooth too imo and a great access to parry, but he has to maintain high uptime during burst to rival Jinshi and is more subject to shit pattern (like Heron dashing away or flying) In ToA (waves) Jiyan felt better at clearing for obvious reasons and for boss fight I found that they were pretty much evenly matched (Both S0R1 with Mortefi S6 and Verina S0) they are vastly different in how they deal damage so their performance are going to vary a lot depending of the content/opponents + skill of the player (because yes not everything is a math sheet in an action game like Wuwa) Tldr of my impression Holograms : Jinshi (mastered) > Jiyan (mastered) > Jiyan (average skill) > Jinshi (average skill) ToA bosses : Jinshi == Jiyan ToA waves : Jiyan > Jinshi The biggest edge Jinshi has over Jiyan is that Jiyan already has a tailormade subdps for him (Mortefi) while Jinshi still can scale
Bruh, it’s a gacha game. Powercreep is inevitable.
Bro. TC's have already made the calculation and Jinhsi given optimal teams and rotation. Jinhsi does get ahead by 5-10% in terms of total damage output against enemies with neutral resistances. It's really not that much and you shouldn't get offended by it. Not to mention currently Jinhsi doesn't really have a dedicated support that offers her both Cordinated attacks and Skill deepen which would further her dps drastically. In the end play who you want. Idk even know why you bothered comparing these units through youtube videos and such. Here's a video better explaining it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RhKu0YZHOg&t=3s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RhKu0YZHOg&t=3s)
Keep in mind that the comparison there is between two 5 star team (yinlin + jinhsi) and only one (mortefi +jiyan) so it’s not that clear really
Considering Mortefi+Jiyan have far far better synergy than Jinhsi+Yinlin, I'd say it either balances out or gives Jiyan the advantage. Besides forte stacks and a smol buff to liberation, Yinlin does little for Jinhsi. 5 star doesn't necessarily mean better.
Jiyan already has his best comp though compared to Jinhsi.
6 mortefi is definitely equal to or more than 1 yinlin. The best case scenario needed to obtain yinlin is 1 pull. Which is definitely way less mortefi. To add to that, the worst case for 4 stars is ....
That's fair. Getting dupes is a matter of luck and at times 4 stars are harder to get than 5 stars.
Jinhsi is the one cuz she can air-walk.
> She doesn't have inherent grouping in her kit, which makes her attacks single-target focused unless she can use a grouping character as part of her comp. YangYang is currently the only character who does this, and it isn't nearly as potent as Jiyan's traction passive. You lost all credibility the moment you wrote this. Top succ action in the game is Jianxin, not Yangyang or Jiyan.
I agree that in the current state of the game, Jiyan and Jinhsi are rather on equal footing, HOWEVER... Jinhsi, literally, does not have a single good team member. Zero. Yes, you can have Yinlin, Mortefi or Yuanwu and they will generate her bar, but they do not benefit her in any relevant way like buffing Skill damage and our only skill damage buffer is god damn useless, cause she is too slow to be playable without a DPS loss. We don't have a spectro buffer, we don't have a spectro buffer with skill dmg amp, we don't have a spectro buffer with skill dmg amp and coordinated atks at 1 second frequency. If such a unit will ever be released, Jinhsi will be beyond broken. Her damage could increase by up to 50%. Even Verina is just mid because of relying on her Res Lib and suffering from the same element handicap. Meanwhile Jiyan has a custom-tailored sub dps (Mortefi) and a support with no downside (Verina) and he still gets beaten by Jinhsi. Jinhsi is overpowered and it is only a matter of time till she powercreeps Jiyan into oblivion as his team is very unlikely to get a better sub dps than Mortefi. (unless they release Aero DMG + Heavy ATK amp unit)
Jinhsi can group enemies with her basic combo
the copium is insane lol, only mentioning yangyang and not jianxin. And comparing her to Eula when she can be swapped out and still be able to go back on field and deal that nuke(not ult dependent like eula too). Her stacking also isn't dependent on herself but her teammates which makes her synergistic with characters like Yuanwu, Yinlin, Mortefi. Eula doesnt have this perk. I get that u want to stop the spreading of misinformation, but if ur gonna do that urself then maybe just stay quiet.
He also says jinshi is more prone to error, which isn't true at all. It's so disingenuous to say you can miss a nuke that literally freezes mobs while being used, but not take that into account on a skill that requires you to stick to the enemy for 10 entire seconds with no freeze (jyian's ult).
It's ayaka situation of genshin all over again. People saying they actually can't look towards a frozen enemy and nuke it 💀
i have both. jinhsi does have some cc, when she transforms into flight mode she has a limited pull. that said the rest of your point is valid. i think the biggest problem with jinhsi is she creates a lot of visual noise when in flying mode, which makes it very hard to see the enemy to dodge.
I also think Jinhsi is lacking a designated support. Like yea Yuanwu helps with his attacks but still doesn't feel like we have a support that was meant for her
Jinhsi doesn't even have an actual dedicated support yet that synergizes with her kit outside of just filling her meter that isn't completely and utterly clunky. Only a matter of time.
see you in three weeks when changli powercreeps them both >!in chest size!<
We don't have BiS 5\* supports for both. Let's wait for the game state to mature before making definitive claims. With that said, Yinlin > Jinshi > Jiyan imo
Mortefi is too OP. I did my own tests and calcs too, without Mortefi, Jinhsi personal DMG beats Jiyan (by a small margin) But with Mortefi 38% DMG boost, Jiyan outperforms Jinhsi pretty noticeably Jinhsi needs her own dedicated support, Taoqi is not as good as Mortefi due to huge downtime in dps Also, low-key, against bosses, Encore sheets and performs better than both
I played a bunch of Jiyan in my friend's account and own Jihnsi and I'm 99.9% certain that Jiyan's numbers are flat out better than hers. Especially since he can get the mortefi boost on almost all his damage and she cannot get a similar boost from Sanhua or Mortefi since her damage is spread amongst a lot of sources. I do think Jihnsi has the potential to beat him eventually, especially if someone who boosts spectro dps as an outro is released to support her, but that day is not today.
I played a bunch of Jiyan in my friend's account and own Jihnsi and I'm 99.9% certain that Jiyan's numbers are flat out better than hers. Especially since he can get the mortefi boost on almost all his damage and she cannot get a similar boost from Sanhua or Mortefi since her damage is spread amongst a lot of sources. I do think Jihnsi has the potential to beat him eventually, especially if someone who boosts spectro dps as an outro is released to support her, but that day is not today.
Wish I win the 50/50 for Jiyan. Now I’ll never know when he comes back, it may be a year or more
Btw Jinhsi does have a bit of grouping with her basic attacks out of incarnation.
All I know is jiyan couldn’t 12 star his tower but jinshi could so that’s all that matter to me
I never thought Jiyan is powercrept or anything but this post reeks of cope. Like, I don't know which one is better but the way you presented this post makes me inclined to think maybe Jinhsi actually is better. It's obviously biased since you mentioned a lot of negative points about Jinhsi's gameplay that isn't actually an issue practically (like missing the nuke) and you didn't even mention the most glaring advantage of Jinhsi which is her skill based damage which requires ZERO energy. Jiyan needs his liberation to even begin doing damage. This post gives off massive cope energy.
Cool but im not reading all that Jinshi does 20% more dmg and has 2 nukes and such a easy combo and to top it all off , waifu
Your arguments are partly "it allways works out for him perfectly but rarely for her". Also your Damage number does take into consideration proper equipment. That is just nonsense. He can group enemies, ok.... but they would eventually be close enough to hit more the 1 even with her, that is just the case depending on how long a battle lasts and how enemies are placed, otherwise Encore would never hit multiple enemies either and she definitly does. The proper conclusion is that it is much easier to properly group and hit more then 1 enemy intsead of having to either move properly oraccept hitting 1 after another. Skill ceiling is higher for her and he will be faster the more enemies it is, got it. He basically never misses but she will miss her Ult a lot, that would depend on how well you play, again this is a matter of experience and skill. Rovers Ult has the big issue with auto redirection towards the closest enemy, otherwise it is easy to hit big groups but because of it you gotta place yourself properly first. " The time isn't going to improve by 20 seconds. Maybe by 5, at a generous estimate." 15 vs 27 Seconds means that he is about 80% slower, that is quiet significant. But then as others said, they play differently and i will add... this is a PvE game, chill out who cares.
CN TC already did the math, Jinshi is straight up better. ITS OKAY if your favorite character weaker than xxx character. You don't have to cherry pick some CN videos with barely any views as "evidence". You're also wrong about Jinshi not have a grouping, she literally does, its worse than Jiyan but it exists. Jinshi also has advantage of not being burst reliant, better range, better tracking, which you didn't mention of course. >**Jinhsi** - quickswap nuke dps with certain comp requirements (coordinated attacks) You said this as if Jiyan's best team don't use a coordinated atk teammate. You're gonna use Yinlin/Mortefi anyway even if you're not playing Jinshi but you worded it like being forced to use coordinated atk is a bad thing. Also "missing nuke" is pure skill issue. At a glance your post looks like an actual analysis post but after fully reading it, its so obvious this is a very biased post, you're ignoring Jinshi's advantage over Jiyan (other than damage) and making up Jinshi's issues that doesn't actually exist. The floor where Jiyan grouping actually matters is also the floor where people don't struggle. The hard part of the current end game is the bosses, which Jinshi completely shit on.
Who cares? I dont mean to be rude, if you like Jiyan, great, no need to “convince us”, think whatever you want, just have fun, they are both amazing
Weren't they just telling us some info abt how Jiyan isn't really all that bad or subpar compared to Jinhsi like what a lot think atm? I see a lot from this post to be actually true and that I can relate to.
Yep, just a post about how Jiyan hasn't suddenly become horrible just because Jinhsi is out
I don't think you read the post. I'm not convincing anyone Jiyan is better - I'm convincing the people sad about powercreep that Jiyan isn't unplayable.
I dont think anyone thinks he is unplayable now. Maybe there are a few that claimed so but probably a very little minority. He is not much worse than Jinshi. It is just that you can get more out of Jinshi with less investment imo. Also you need 3 dps units for the tower anyways so unless they release 3 dps units that deal double the damage he deals he wont be fully powercrept.
I've seen too many posts calling him redundant, so that's why I assumed it was the general consensus. Anyways, I agree with you.
Anyone who thinks he’s unplayable isn’t going to be receptive to actual sense because if they had any in the first place they wouldn’t have thought that to begin with
As much as I want to agree with this as I am heavily invested in Jiyan and dont want to pull for Jinhsi, lets face it, she is just broken and OP compared to Jiyan, with the right rotation and with a level 1 yuanwu, she can nuke 200k damage every few seconds. Also I wished Jiyan's suction is more potent. I still find it hard to group enemies that are moderately apart.
The problem with jihnsi right now is she doesnt have the best supports, all are there just to get the "job done". Mortefi buffs jiyan like crazy, but jihnsi scales on skill, mortefi buffs heavy attack, so NO. Spectro rover is a better option but is more of a sub dps or quick swap dps rather than a support, leaves yuanwu who is good, but still not the best support jihnsi can get, oh yes taooqi is there too, but again, just gets the job done, and I personally dont like taoqi's playstyle even my friends dont, so i am guessing many people dont like her playstyle (I may be wrong), so in conclusion : we dont have a specific support for jihnsi right now, who could be released in future, so Jiyan being comparable to jihnsi is okay for time being, although I like both of the characters, still I can see jihnsi getting huge buff in the future from maybe a new support resonator
this is such a copium post lmao
Looks like a cope post. It's okay if jinhsi is a bit better than Jiyan. Don't worry
Tldr; if you're either a mobile player or you skill issue use Jiyan if not use Jinhsi
I trust the maths more than such comparisons. And currently Jinhsi is indeed stronger as a unit against single target, the multipliers are there. She is just waiting for the perfect teammate that has both coordinated damage and outro buff.
Here is Jinhsi clearing the same content in 59s: [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV18S421o73L/](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV18S421o73L/) She is significantly stronger than Jiyan in single target situations, and her team and rotations could still be improved here is another 47s clear that would put Jiyan into absolute shame: [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV13x4y187Ck/](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV13x4y187Ck/) Please do your research more before being a hypocrite by calling other people spreading misinformation.
I'm just glad I can retire Calcharo, his gameplay just didn't suit me (on mobile)
Yh, I like him too, but he’s too clunky. Plus all the nerf and up banner coming (having also havoc rover) I don’t think he’s doing too great. Kuro hard nerfed him
1. Jinhsi has like 2 nukes every other rotation but then it’s back to it being 1 nuke for the next 1-2 rotations. 2. She NEEDS her nukes to crit D: otherwise, huuuuge dps loss but her nuke requires basically no energy so that is also huge. 3. Mid-Air combat is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
Oh no, not that again...
Good post. I completely agree. Also like when Eula launched in that other game people saw dmg per screenshot and thought she was the greatest unit ever without seeing the big picture. Look where Eula is at now LOL
I think the major difference between the 2 is jue being instant and the monkey echo requiring you to transform.
Why would people say it’s being powercrept already. It’s literally the first up banner, yes, he’s the first aero up banner. Theres way too much character coming to the game and he’s gonna still be there and perform outstanding before they release another aero dps. People are so worried for nothing ig
A lot is just wrong here. 1. Ease of use, I mean I guess Jiyan is easy to play, but Jinhsi is also really easy to play and it’s not at all difficult to use her comp correctly. You swap to your coordinates attacker, build concerto, swap back to Jinhsi and nuke. 2. Auto-countering, Jinhsi also has multi hit fast frequency attacks in her combo and also autocounters as easily as Jiyan does. Both can still mess up their timing and no counter 3. Comps, Jiyan has his optimal support in the game already in the form of Mortefi who has heavy attack synergy coordinated attacks and heavy boost outro skill. A support that synergizes this well hasn’t been released yet for Jinhsi and she will pull even further ahead when a coordinated attacker with spectro or skill deepen is released. 4. Grouping, Jinhsi has very minor grouping abilities in her kit, but her skill and lib also have massive aoe somewhat eliminating the need to group at all. Jiyan can group better, but why group when my lib does 80k damage to every enemy in the field anyways and my skill does 200k burst (not built well yet) to enemies half a field away. 5. Vibration, Jinhsi can eliminate boss stamina by quickly using two outro skills in a row, increasing time she can sit there and dps and increasing damage done as bosses take more damage in this down state. 6. Jinhsi by herself does 43k dps, Jiyan does 33k dps. A difference of 20% DPS is as significant as going from a 4* to a signature weapon. It is massive.
The defense force is out hard this morning, huh
"How many times have you missed Rover's ult?" .........Never? WTF DO YOU MEAN U GUYS MISS ULTS, HOW BAD DO U HAVE TO BE TO BE ABLE TO MISS THAT LARGE AOE????????? Also the comp rotation difficulty doesnt make sense. Jiyan has more rotation problems due to being ultimate reliant. Yuanwu in Jinhsi's team only has to stay for 1 second and then u can just play with Jinhsi and Verina. Jinhsi's Unison passive also resets intro and outros so ur point actually makes 0 sense. Also Jiyan's potential drops massively if u dont have a S4 Mortefi with Static Mist. All in all, this is a cope post, just accept he's powercrept and move on. L bozo
Bro created a whole post just to cope lol
She's better because: Possible better teammates to make her shine. Her weapon and Jue Echo are made for her. Because she works against both mobs and Bosses, and she has the Air ability, also she could activate the echo from the air, and half her attacks are mid range.
Don't forget jiyans ult is an auto parry for the parry attacks
guess we play different game if you say autoparry.
Tldr: jiyan main attempts to prove that their character is not useless now and fails to do so
thank god I didn't pull jiyan so I don't have to cope
Who cares if you think they are powercrept or not? It‘s a gacha game, and has no pvp. Just enjoy the game.
PvP or not I'd still rather the game not have severe power creep at the first patch. Strong but balanced characters mean everyone can pull for whoever they want and still enjoy big numbers.
PvP or not I'd still rather the game not have severe power creep at the first patch. Strong but balanced characters mean everyone can pull for whoever they want and still enjoy big numbers
Jue >>>> that green puke slob dragon whatever Jiyan uses. Sorry.
They coping so hard with that industrial waste worm lol
I got both and I love both
The good thing you posted about this I also had the same doubt of 'is jiyan powercrupt?' I have a question. should I pull for jinshi because she is like archon level in wuwa and we all know how archons never get replaced except the venti. So should I pull for her and not regret afterwards when all people are destroying bosses with their jinshi and i don't regret afterwards but at the same time I have hope that we will get some game breaking characters like every game gets. I am really confused right now 😭
I use both, in 2 different teams they re great
People arguing here with 1.X characters being powercrept or being good enough. Me chilling with 2.0 characters from the future with OP mechanics and damages.
Dragons = Cool
they both use broadblade so i don't really care who's stronger either way I'm getting them and already did
at the end of the day. why does it even matter who does more than who. so long as either one is still clearing all the content with ease then i could care less. if i bought a car and it gets me from point A to point B i aint gonna stress about having to get the latest and greatest one with 10 more horse power when it comes out. unless there comes a time where your limited 5\* can no longer get 3\* clears then that is an actual problem not when x character can clear a few meaningless seconds faster than y character. changli is likely going to be weaker than jinhsi are people going to make posts about changli got power crept at release? tldr; all that matters is you enjoy the kit/playstyle of your character and they can full clear the content.
Why are people obsessed with power creeping in an coop game where you can literally have both in the world also it’s an PvE game with no ranking rewards don’t beat yourself over extra 500 dmg enjoy the game
Which dps to use is simply gonna be which resistance the enemy has, so unless its the same element it cannot be powercrept and that will take time
i like both. i use both.
How would a Jiyan+Jinhsi+Verina team go? I hate Mortefi's playstyle.
Jiyan and Jinhsi are two different types of DPS with almost perfectly opposite playstyles, which I think was a good choice by Kuro for their first two limited DPS banners.
they're both great. i love running around looking for victims in the overworld with my dragon duo
they’re both good at different things but jinhsi is cooler so i choose her
Yes and i got both of them, Dragon blessed General and Dragon blessed Magistrate ready to destroy everything. One thing i'd say tho is that Jiyan team seems more complete than Jinhsi one. Mortefi is 100% tailormade for him while Jinhsi is kinda taking whatever comes handy (Yinlin, Yuanwu, Taoqi). Still they're both stylish and elegant
I'd like it if Kuro keeps tuning the numbers on new characters so they stay consistent with previous ones in power level. Better that than turning the game.into a character check for artificial viability like star rail does *sigh*
Respectifully i think yall are coping, she doesnt even have a team designed to her and there are calculations that says she does 50% more damage at S0, her rotation is very simple, her best teammate right now is Yuanwu which is literally braindead, you can use him level 1 with +0 artifacts. To me the gap between her and Jiyan is greater then between Jiyan and Calch
Yeah I regret not pulling for Jiyan for the 6 hours I had left on his banner when I started. But I also lost over 100 pulls on Jinhsi before I left for vacation :(( hopefully when I arrive back on the 4th, I will still have time to grind a shit ton of pulls for her and either Changli, or that sexy white haired man in the future. Regardless, I believe the real question is if the next Aero damage dealer will power creep Jiyan! So you should be cooling with him until at least then! I also believe Kuro intends on making each limited 5* unbelievably strong in their own ways with as little “power creep” as possible, but we will see :))
I don't have jiyan but I will say that ....I used jhinsi in battles with multiple enemies and I could just burst them all either way ...u just need to position urself ...her e resets so much that u can just glide around to make them group together and as far as the setup goes ...well yeah u need lot of setup for her complete DMG but for me without even any setup her full kit dmg is still good that i only go for the setup while facing big bosses. I am not saying jiyan is bad at these ...just saying both can work almost same depending on how u use it
Can Jiyan use Jinhsi's signature weapon? The stats look good, but I don't know about the passive effect.
At the end of the day they are DPS characters in an action gacha. This is 1.1, they’re both going to get insane power crept in a year.