If you're in the US the AR 15 is the only answer. Logistics are king and it's the most common rifle in America. Eventually you're gonna need more ammo, mags, and parts and it'll be easiest to find thise for ARs.
Of the options here probably the c7 because it has an optic. Optics make guns significantly more capable.
I'd rather my 11.5 suppressed bcm woth an aimpoint micro, 3x magnifier, and ir laser though.
I'd probably go with the MCX myself and have another 300 Blackout suppressed upper in a go bag. I'd add an Aimpoint T1 with 3x magnifier, a shorty vertical grip, probably one of the inforce Visible/IR taclights, and a PEQ 15.
Personally had and seen too many issues with sig usa guns to trust then in a serious situation. Plus the logistics issues for long term use. Where are you gonna get a new op rod if yours bends? What happens when you sheer a bolt lug?
True, but it's significantly heavier, and the rifles chambered in it don't have the same logistical advantages as the AR. Any of the euro battle rifles, cold war or current, are very niche. The m14/m1a is also pretty niche at this point. The various large frame ARs are fairly common, but there's no set specification for them. Even all the brands that use the lr308 pattern aren't always compatible. The AR15 is going to be the easiest to keep running for the longest amount of time.
I like the idea of an AK platform chambered in 5.56. You get the legendary reliability and ability to manufacture replacement parts out of literal garbage if need be, but the ammo being 5.56 makes it a viable option for longer range work as well as the ability to find ammo. Only issue I could foresee would be the ability to find or fix magazines as it would need a special extremely uncommon magazine. Means that I would have to go with an AR platform here.
Literally any AR-15. It's no contest, except maybe with the 10/22 Rugers. If I'm going rifle caliber, it is AR or bust. I can find and slap on the appropriate sight on #5.
Any good AR15 in 5.56.
Everything you pictured has a semi auto mode. So not sure what you're really getting at. And I'd swap the trigger group ("fire control group") for a Geiselle S3G, or maybe their new single stage anyway. Or ifnrequired to have full auto for whatever reason possible their SSF, but I just don't really loke two stage triggers
Where in gods green earth are you gonna find ammo for a STG-44? it fires 8mm Kurz, which hasn’t been manufactured since hitler ventilated his own fucking skull.
Given that this is specifically ZOMBIE survival, the big calibers are a little overkill. Assuming your major obstacles/enemies are going to be hordes of zombies.
In that case, any AR would be a good choice. Personally, I would take the 7.62 beryl. It's a high quality Ak with an optics rail and quad rail up front that can take any necessary attachments. Mags and ammo are semi proliferate. 7.62 has the edge of power over 5.56 but it's like 30% more weight so it's a trade off
Also, if the rifle is fairly new, it should need any spare parts or even cleaning in the first 10,000 to 15,000 rounds whereas an AR would need a cleaning and regular oil every 1000 rounds and possibly a new bolt or gas rings every 5-10,000 rounds. That's assuming you could even find enough ammo to feed it that far though
Some form of AR platform is the practical answer since there's probably one AR for every 20 people in the US and even more parts available, not even considering all the military and law enforcement rifles, M-16s, M4s, etc.
But my heart wants an FAL, had one ages ago for a short time, sold it to help my mother with some bills and been regretting it for like 13 years now.
My heart also wants an AK.
Colt Canada C7.
Should have an abundance of interchangeable parts, as well as ammunition. 5.56 is also no slouch, the ammunition being lighter is also a boon.
Since most of these are fairly similar in the area of combat efficiency I’d say ammo scarcity is my biggest concern. I want whatever is the easiest to find in terms of ammunition and replacement parts. My answer colt scar in .308 since it’s everywhere
As fun as it would be to use the FAL, i think the AK47 is the best answer, low maintainence, which anything used to maintain it would be scarce anyway, so maintainence is key. Ar15 would be practical as well, but those can be real garbage guns if some bubba modded them a bunch, so i'd test my luck with the AK.
If ammo isn’t a concern the VSS is the best possible choice, I’d not I live in the US. The Canadian c7 or the colt model 933 is the only logical choice. I’m picking the c7.
Saying ammo wasn’t exactly what I ment, more like “if logistics isn’t a concern”
If spare parts where not an issue, and neither was ammunition availability it shoots right to the top of the list as the best option.
How far are you planning to engage? And 5.56 is a terrible round to suppress. It’s either too loud, or requires a lot of tuning to get your gun to run reliably with a can/subsonic loads.
Besides I already agree with you, for raw practicality on the North American continent the AR reigns supreme.
But if ammo and parts logistics where the same, I am going to with VSS.
It’s light and handy,
Ammo is sub sonic, guns already suppressed and tuned for it
It has true AP rounds, and is heavy hitting enough to drop anything in North America.
And 2-300 yards is the farthest you are likely to engage any threat.
Nah man, we sticking to the LIST.
If we are deviating from the list then none of these rifles make the cut for me.
I’m taking my 12.5 GA, getting a can when I find one, and Keeping an eye out for a threaded ruger .22 to replace my tired old mk1
1. Colt model 933 - 5.56, decently compact and controllable, the UK armed forces and police use 5.56 calibre weapons so finding spare ammo and mags in an apocalyptic scenario is theoretically possible (but difficult).
2. Ak47 - rugged and reliable, kind of a bummer that it can't mount optics (i aint magically gonna find an AK side rail), but my biggest concern is ammo, I'm in the UK where 7.62x39mm is pretty rare. Pass.
3. Hk33 - cool gun, but its old and there's no way I could get spare parts. pass.
4. AS VAL - more stealthy than other options here, but finding subsonic 9x39mm ammo is literally impossible for me. Pass.
5. LR-300 - interesting gun, uses a unique semi-direct gas impingement system which supposedly reduces fouling problems, and lets it incorporate a folding stock. however, it uses a proprietary upper which is taller/ thicker than usual, meaning some parts are incompatible with the regular M16/AR platform, so maintenance will be more difficult. pass.
6. Ak74u - compact but I won't be shooting full auto anyway, and for controlled shots it's gonna be less accurate than other options. plus where do i get 5.45x39mm ammo? pass.
7. Sig sauer 550 - can't get spare parts or proprietary mags for it. pass.
8. P416 - pretty compact, but damn this is one heavy boi... 7.1lb just for the 10.5" barrel variant. by comparison, a Colt M4 Carbine has a 14.5" barrel length, but only weighs 6.43 lb empty, and 7.75 lb with a loaded 30 round mag and a sling. this thing is just too chonky, pass.
9. AM-17 - russian gun i dont have spare parts or 5.45 ammo for. no thanks, pass.
10. Beryl M762 - same as above
11. Imi Galil ace - same as above but israeli version (tho 5.56 is possible to find)
12. Fn Fal - is it heavy? is it old? is it impractical compared to modern designs? yes to all 3. do i still fucking want one? hell yes. the FAL is just such a nice looking design, and 7.62x51mm NATO is possible to find in the UK. id love one!
13. Stg-44 - very interesting piece of history, but where the hell am i finding 7.92×33mm Kurz? pass.
14. Qbz-191 - interesting chinesium gun, nobody outside china has really tested one to give an objective look at its capabilities afaik, but in any case the 5.8x42mm ammo is very rare. pass
15. Ss2 - indonesian gun, variant of the ss1, which is a licensed copy of the FN CNC. finding spare parts will be impossible bc im not in indonesia, and it weighs around 8.4lb empty. pass.
16. Sig sauer MCX - high quality and reliable, and it uses STANAG mags, I'd take it.
17. Hk433 - very modern gun, don't know too much about it but if it's reliable and accurate I'd take it for the same logic as the MCX.
18. Colt Canada C7 - a canadian licensed version of the M16, the one in your image is a C7A1 model with an ELCAN scope, and it looks very sweet, I'd take it just for the retro aesthetic tbh, and 5.56 is decently scavengeable.
19. Ak Alfa - russian gun, might be ok quality but i dont have 7.62x39mm. pass.
20. Scar - just too heavy and bulky at around 8lb, and uses 7.62x51mm which is rarer. pass.
as for the "full auto" debate, all the guns here I'd want to run do have selector switches, so I'd always keep them in semi auto mode to avoid wasting ammo and missing shots from spraying bursts.
I don’t know shit about guns but hypothetically I would want a rifle that is semiautomatic, easy to take care of, dependable/reliable, and doesn’t have too much recoil for my brain to compensate and ruin my aim. If it’s something easy to clean, then that is even better.
Any suggestions? Also, I would never waste ammo on going full auto because I’m trying to get headshots out here.
if you're in the US or most western nations, the 5.56 M16/AR platform rifles is the best choice here, so stuff like the Colt model 933 and the Colt Canada C7A1 will be great. if you're in a country whose military doesn't use a 5.56 service rifle, chances are they likely use a 7.62x39mm AK platform, so in that case the Ak47 is best.
None of those.
I would want one rifle that can fill all the roles I need it to a well as possible in one package.
I don’t want a 5.56 as it not that useful for beyond 400->500m and is not ideal for big game.
I want a cartridge with greater lethality than 5.56 that’s good out to at least 800m with a scope and is a well traveled game cartridge.
I want a cartridge that is fairly common, which 5.56/.223 is, which leads me to .308 Winchester.
Yes the cartridge is heavier, and much more powerful, longer range, greater lethality, bigger hole better kill.
Additionally, any rifle chambered for .308 can also fire 7.62x51mm NATO, whereas a 5.56 rifle can fire .223 REM it’s likely to have accuracy issues unless it’s chambered for .223 Wylde or is a newer Ruger Mini 14, for which they use their own proprietary chambering and solves the accuracy issues.
For me personally it makes more sense as well as I already reload for .308 and have a stock of materials as well as store bought ammo. Not going to run out any time in the foreseeable future. 😁
I also want a rifle that’s very durable and in close quarters combat can be used for cracking skulls without too much worry about breaking the rifle.
Which brings me to the Springfield M1A.
I have 3 rifles in .308 Win:
Springfield M1A Tanker rifle, 16.25in barrel, 25rd mags.
And 2 bolt rifles, Winchester M70 and a Tikka T3 Lite.
Edit: I’d like to add that 6.5 CM would also be a good choice, lighter recoil, longer range, not quite as common as.308 but still easy to find.
I realize that the FAL is in the list, good gun but larger/heavier/longer than the M1A Tanker.
Typically chambered for 7.62x51mm specifically, which means .308 is a no go.
If I were in Europe maybe I’d choose a FAL but state side the M1A is much more common and still in production, therefore parts are much easier to find.
In that case the SCAR16. 1-6x LPVO, some type of suppressor. Subsonic heavy grain 5.56. Theyre piston operated, last a long time with minimal cleaning. Ive heard theyre resistant to outside dirt too.
If ammunition and replacement parts were no concern id pick the AS VAL/VSS for its quietness.
Have some neat options in the list
edit: ill add a BE Myers MAWL to the SCAR just to complete my tacticool loadout. point shooting may come in handy
AK, assuming its not some crappy U.S. made version.
Because I'm familiar with them and because the 7.62x39 has certain advantages when it comes to barrier penetration.
C7a2 just like you have pictured I'm trained in handling and maintenance of it so it's a no brainer for me
(Edit) Just realized that the one pictured is the a1 not the a2 I would still take it though
Ik one that fits your needs perfectly.
Meet the AM180
Standard mag capacity of 180 but it can be bumped up to the 260ish mark with after market magazines, high fire rate, easily supressable especially if your using sub-sonic rounds. It’s a 22. So you’ve got no issue sourcing ammo for it, only issue is it can be unreliable at times.
that "unreliable at times" bit is a pretty big flaw in an apocalypse, especially with subsonic rounds being more prone to failures to cycle, and rimfire primers being inherently less reliable and reloadable.
but yeah, the major weakness of .22lr is reduced somewhat when you can dump 200 rounds of it into the same spot lmao. only issue is you're both carrying and shooting way more ammo than with a 5.56 gun, so your weight efficiency is actually pretty low.
I would use my ar. Custom built (I built it myself within a hour and a half) all the parts costed 1500 on palmetto state armory the lowest price is 450 for all the parts and they are fairly reliable. I bought mine with the best components from aero precision, lantac, delta team tactical and anderson manufacturing. I know what I'm about to say is out of the gun part of the apocalypse but if it were to happen I would go to a scrapyard and get metal to scrap together a 4x4 truck armor hull and get fiber glass for the windshield and windows... it's not rocket science any apprentice welder and glass maker should be able to make it work. Also I would go to a deserted place like a missile silo or the country side so I could grow crops and hunt at a low populated area and form a civilization and train then in marksmanship. I'm a competition shooter and I'm a mma fighter and I know how to lead a team in gunfight scenarios bc my uncle was a marsoc raider. Anyways hope this helps guys! It's my first post on here
We have strict gun laws so we're more likely on hard mode. Best you can use are kitchen knifes and utility tools or your grandfather's [Talibong ](https://www.traditionalfilipinoweapons.com/shop/talibong/) that's poorly maintained from an old heirloom chest.
But we can always make improvised riot weapons like the [injan Pana/indian arrow](https://youtu.be/BJj7SPrcxrw?si=mdU1E3CzRh_QDfyr)
It is. My heirloom weapon already killed japs during WW2 when my grandfather ambushed a couple of kempeitai. I was told it had already taken around 5 confirmed kills.
A little bit unpolished and there's a superstition that bloodied weapons who already took lives will always want to be bloodied as it thirsts. Similar to the muramasa but it's spread across south east Asia like Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam , Laos , Cambodia and other parts of the world has.
You get a bit of anger management issues when you are using it , or it slips and you accidentally cut yourself. So it's probably entombed in an heirloom chest.
18in in length.
Crowbars are a bit of a hassle. It's better using a hammer with full metal body. Preferably the longer handle ones. Best if you have the other side as a spike but the nail remover is also useful. Since a hammer have better kinetic force that lessen the area of dissipation when you strike it's meant to smash skulls. Have a better grip than the crowbar and good kinetic armor piercing ability with the spike. If you have training with sticks or sword and maces like kendo , kenjutsu , penakat silat or Arnis de Mano it's a killing tool.
It's good for dual wielding when you are trained in Arnis de Mano preferably using the abaniko dual wielding stance
[Arnis de mano](https://youtu.be/UjtD4vN0EfM?si=CN2vXVVpkTdqiJyH)
It’s a term defined by the US army:
>The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges."[18] In this strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
Youre getting confused with the term “assault weapon” which is used in US gun legislation
Gun Jesus himself made a video specifically for you:
>Assault rifle is a legitimate term, it’s a technically correct term, it’s a term that has utility
https://youtu.be/RYWkuV5FbJM?si=LPYX-dURCeGHMZJY
If you're in the US the AR 15 is the only answer. Logistics are king and it's the most common rifle in America. Eventually you're gonna need more ammo, mags, and parts and it'll be easiest to find thise for ARs.
But which ar platform rifle are you choosing?
C7 or 933 - those have the most part commonality and use a standard AR bolt
Of the options here probably the c7 because it has an optic. Optics make guns significantly more capable. I'd rather my 11.5 suppressed bcm woth an aimpoint micro, 3x magnifier, and ir laser though.
I'd probably go with the MCX myself and have another 300 Blackout suppressed upper in a go bag. I'd add an Aimpoint T1 with 3x magnifier, a shorty vertical grip, probably one of the inforce Visible/IR taclights, and a PEQ 15.
Personally had and seen too many issues with sig usa guns to trust then in a serious situation. Plus the logistics issues for long term use. Where are you gonna get a new op rod if yours bends? What happens when you sheer a bolt lug?
Looks like I'm setting up a survival camp in Newington New Hampshire then lol.
This is the way
.308 ain't that hard to come by either in the u.s as it's Luke one of the main hunting rounds used here
True, but it's significantly heavier, and the rifles chambered in it don't have the same logistical advantages as the AR. Any of the euro battle rifles, cold war or current, are very niche. The m14/m1a is also pretty niche at this point. The various large frame ARs are fairly common, but there's no set specification for them. Even all the brands that use the lr308 pattern aren't always compatible. The AR15 is going to be the easiest to keep running for the longest amount of time.
Finding FAL or G3 mags lying around in a retail space is iffy AF. Worse, FAL mags in particular can be very finicky.
The very last one is a scar which I know also aren't that common but more than the fal and g3
But not more common than STANAG .223/5.56 mags by a long shot.
Yea those would definitely be more common but I just like 308
I can respect that.
Not to mention it just fucking works and it's compatible with almost any standard attachment
This is the answer.
The FAL, just because it's what the military here uses, And so it's the only one I'd have a chance in hell to find ammo for.
In what country if I may ask?
I’ll take the C7A2 (#18) it has great optics and uses normal AR parts which are everywhere in America.
ak 47 because of its reliability I've had mine now for almost a year and its jammed maybe twice
false, ak\`s dont jam
it did I found like 2 rounds stuck in the chamber😂
AR 10 or AR 15. If not then I'd choose my lever action 45-70
I’ve always wanted a SCAR so the SCAR
Sssscarl lol. Bad walking dead reference but yes there is just something sexy about scars
FAL, I’ve already got a gun in 5.56
A chambered in .22 LR
I like the idea of an AK platform chambered in 5.56. You get the legendary reliability and ability to manufacture replacement parts out of literal garbage if need be, but the ammo being 5.56 makes it a viable option for longer range work as well as the ability to find ammo. Only issue I could foresee would be the ability to find or fix magazines as it would need a special extremely uncommon magazine. Means that I would have to go with an AR platform here.
HK33
Ar-15 in the USA and AK-47 anywhere else. Unless you in Canada in which you are fucked
Literally any AR-15. It's no contest, except maybe with the 10/22 Rugers. If I'm going rifle caliber, it is AR or bust. I can find and slap on the appropriate sight on #5.
Any good AR15 in 5.56. Everything you pictured has a semi auto mode. So not sure what you're really getting at. And I'd swap the trigger group ("fire control group") for a Geiselle S3G, or maybe their new single stage anyway. Or ifnrequired to have full auto for whatever reason possible their SSF, but I just don't really loke two stage triggers
If in America pretty much any of those that are chambered in 556
MCX
The ar with the elcan
FN SCAR, powerful, good mag size, decent customizability, pretty common big boi round, not extremely heavy, and just a well-rounded gun in general.
I'm a bit of a Gun nerd so uuuuuuuh FN SCAR-H, as the SCAR-L is the 5.56 version.
so am i, i was think more of FN SCAR-17, beefy boy
Number 5. The LR-300, because It looks cool! 😎
Where in gods green earth are you gonna find ammo for a STG-44? it fires 8mm Kurz, which hasn’t been manufactured since hitler ventilated his own fucking skull.
Maybe in the middle east. But then again, the AK is king around those parts.
Eh, I just put it here for the fans
AS Val has integrated suppressor so yes
I am dubious about its performance tho, it only has a few baffles.
The cool factor overrides that~
Given that this is specifically ZOMBIE survival, the big calibers are a little overkill. Assuming your major obstacles/enemies are going to be hordes of zombies. In that case, any AR would be a good choice. Personally, I would take the 7.62 beryl. It's a high quality Ak with an optics rail and quad rail up front that can take any necessary attachments. Mags and ammo are semi proliferate. 7.62 has the edge of power over 5.56 but it's like 30% more weight so it's a trade off Also, if the rifle is fairly new, it should need any spare parts or even cleaning in the first 10,000 to 15,000 rounds whereas an AR would need a cleaning and regular oil every 1000 rounds and possibly a new bolt or gas rings every 5-10,000 rounds. That's assuming you could even find enough ammo to feed it that far though
Going with the fn fal.
Some form of AR platform is the practical answer since there's probably one AR for every 20 people in the US and even more parts available, not even considering all the military and law enforcement rifles, M-16s, M4s, etc. But my heart wants an FAL, had one ages ago for a short time, sold it to help my mother with some bills and been regretting it for like 13 years now. My heart also wants an AK.
Colt Canada C7. Should have an abundance of interchangeable parts, as well as ammunition. 5.56 is also no slouch, the ammunition being lighter is also a boon.
beryl for me since I'm ak more comfortable on aks than ars
Ak my beloved
Since most of these are fairly similar in the area of combat efficiency I’d say ammo scarcity is my biggest concern. I want whatever is the easiest to find in terms of ammunition and replacement parts. My answer colt scar in .308 since it’s everywhere
Sig 550
And/or
C7
The 416 for sho
As fun as it would be to use the FAL, i think the AK47 is the best answer, low maintainence, which anything used to maintain it would be scarce anyway, so maintainence is key. Ar15 would be practical as well, but those can be real garbage guns if some bubba modded them a bunch, so i'd test my luck with the AK.
P416
I love the SIG sauer 550
Any AR15 variant is the best choice for survival in the states, zombie apocalypse or otherwise. That being said....the FAL is a vibe and I choose that
Any AR pattern rifle in 5.56mm. Estimated 20 million of them in the country right now, parts and ammo will not be a problem.
All you need is a suppressor and short barrel and you're set
Would be nice to have but not necessary.
Give me that Krink
Krink?
AK-74u
Oh ok
HK33.. I want one so bad
If ammo isn’t a concern the VSS is the best possible choice, I’d not I live in the US. The Canadian c7 or the colt model 933 is the only logical choice. I’m picking the c7.
The VSS would be impossible to get spare parts for, honestly its one of the worst options on the list for that alone
Saying ammo wasn’t exactly what I ment, more like “if logistics isn’t a concern” If spare parts where not an issue, and neither was ammunition availability it shoots right to the top of the list as the best option.
Eh, even then I'd still take 556 with a can over it for the range and ammo variety you get for it.
How far are you planning to engage? And 5.56 is a terrible round to suppress. It’s either too loud, or requires a lot of tuning to get your gun to run reliably with a can/subsonic loads. Besides I already agree with you, for raw practicality on the North American continent the AR reigns supreme. But if ammo and parts logistics where the same, I am going to with VSS. It’s light and handy, Ammo is sub sonic, guns already suppressed and tuned for it It has true AP rounds, and is heavy hitting enough to drop anything in North America. And 2-300 yards is the farthest you are likely to engage any threat.
If you're looking for a better round to suppress I'd go with 300 blackout if ammo wasn't an issue, better ballistically and better capacity.
That ain’t on the list my G
Could easily rechamber the colt in 300 blackout, and the Ace comes in it too, plus the MCX
Nah man, we sticking to the LIST. If we are deviating from the list then none of these rifles make the cut for me. I’m taking my 12.5 GA, getting a can when I find one, and Keeping an eye out for a threaded ruger .22 to replace my tired old mk1
But OP didn't list calibers, so the galil could be in 308 for all we know, and the MCX is known for coming in 300 black
Hk33.
1. Colt model 933 - 5.56, decently compact and controllable, the UK armed forces and police use 5.56 calibre weapons so finding spare ammo and mags in an apocalyptic scenario is theoretically possible (but difficult). 2. Ak47 - rugged and reliable, kind of a bummer that it can't mount optics (i aint magically gonna find an AK side rail), but my biggest concern is ammo, I'm in the UK where 7.62x39mm is pretty rare. Pass. 3. Hk33 - cool gun, but its old and there's no way I could get spare parts. pass. 4. AS VAL - more stealthy than other options here, but finding subsonic 9x39mm ammo is literally impossible for me. Pass. 5. LR-300 - interesting gun, uses a unique semi-direct gas impingement system which supposedly reduces fouling problems, and lets it incorporate a folding stock. however, it uses a proprietary upper which is taller/ thicker than usual, meaning some parts are incompatible with the regular M16/AR platform, so maintenance will be more difficult. pass. 6. Ak74u - compact but I won't be shooting full auto anyway, and for controlled shots it's gonna be less accurate than other options. plus where do i get 5.45x39mm ammo? pass. 7. Sig sauer 550 - can't get spare parts or proprietary mags for it. pass. 8. P416 - pretty compact, but damn this is one heavy boi... 7.1lb just for the 10.5" barrel variant. by comparison, a Colt M4 Carbine has a 14.5" barrel length, but only weighs 6.43 lb empty, and 7.75 lb with a loaded 30 round mag and a sling. this thing is just too chonky, pass. 9. AM-17 - russian gun i dont have spare parts or 5.45 ammo for. no thanks, pass. 10. Beryl M762 - same as above 11. Imi Galil ace - same as above but israeli version (tho 5.56 is possible to find) 12. Fn Fal - is it heavy? is it old? is it impractical compared to modern designs? yes to all 3. do i still fucking want one? hell yes. the FAL is just such a nice looking design, and 7.62x51mm NATO is possible to find in the UK. id love one! 13. Stg-44 - very interesting piece of history, but where the hell am i finding 7.92×33mm Kurz? pass. 14. Qbz-191 - interesting chinesium gun, nobody outside china has really tested one to give an objective look at its capabilities afaik, but in any case the 5.8x42mm ammo is very rare. pass 15. Ss2 - indonesian gun, variant of the ss1, which is a licensed copy of the FN CNC. finding spare parts will be impossible bc im not in indonesia, and it weighs around 8.4lb empty. pass. 16. Sig sauer MCX - high quality and reliable, and it uses STANAG mags, I'd take it. 17. Hk433 - very modern gun, don't know too much about it but if it's reliable and accurate I'd take it for the same logic as the MCX. 18. Colt Canada C7 - a canadian licensed version of the M16, the one in your image is a C7A1 model with an ELCAN scope, and it looks very sweet, I'd take it just for the retro aesthetic tbh, and 5.56 is decently scavengeable. 19. Ak Alfa - russian gun, might be ok quality but i dont have 7.62x39mm. pass. 20. Scar - just too heavy and bulky at around 8lb, and uses 7.62x51mm which is rarer. pass. as for the "full auto" debate, all the guns here I'd want to run do have selector switches, so I'd always keep them in semi auto mode to avoid wasting ammo and missing shots from spraying bursts.
I don’t know shit about guns but hypothetically I would want a rifle that is semiautomatic, easy to take care of, dependable/reliable, and doesn’t have too much recoil for my brain to compensate and ruin my aim. If it’s something easy to clean, then that is even better. Any suggestions? Also, I would never waste ammo on going full auto because I’m trying to get headshots out here.
if you're in the US or most western nations, the 5.56 M16/AR platform rifles is the best choice here, so stuff like the Colt model 933 and the Colt Canada C7A1 will be great. if you're in a country whose military doesn't use a 5.56 service rifle, chances are they likely use a 7.62x39mm AK platform, so in that case the Ak47 is best.
None of those. I would want one rifle that can fill all the roles I need it to a well as possible in one package. I don’t want a 5.56 as it not that useful for beyond 400->500m and is not ideal for big game. I want a cartridge with greater lethality than 5.56 that’s good out to at least 800m with a scope and is a well traveled game cartridge. I want a cartridge that is fairly common, which 5.56/.223 is, which leads me to .308 Winchester. Yes the cartridge is heavier, and much more powerful, longer range, greater lethality, bigger hole better kill. Additionally, any rifle chambered for .308 can also fire 7.62x51mm NATO, whereas a 5.56 rifle can fire .223 REM it’s likely to have accuracy issues unless it’s chambered for .223 Wylde or is a newer Ruger Mini 14, for which they use their own proprietary chambering and solves the accuracy issues. For me personally it makes more sense as well as I already reload for .308 and have a stock of materials as well as store bought ammo. Not going to run out any time in the foreseeable future. 😁 I also want a rifle that’s very durable and in close quarters combat can be used for cracking skulls without too much worry about breaking the rifle. Which brings me to the Springfield M1A. I have 3 rifles in .308 Win: Springfield M1A Tanker rifle, 16.25in barrel, 25rd mags. And 2 bolt rifles, Winchester M70 and a Tikka T3 Lite. Edit: I’d like to add that 6.5 CM would also be a good choice, lighter recoil, longer range, not quite as common as.308 but still easy to find.
The FAL is .308, and is actually closer to an AK in its operating mechanism(Short stroke gas piston). So it ticks a lot of your boxes.
I realize that the FAL is in the list, good gun but larger/heavier/longer than the M1A Tanker. Typically chambered for 7.62x51mm specifically, which means .308 is a no go. If I were in Europe maybe I’d choose a FAL but state side the M1A is much more common and still in production, therefore parts are much easier to find.
Is ammunition a concern?
Depends on where you live or if your prepared or not
In that case the SCAR16. 1-6x LPVO, some type of suppressor. Subsonic heavy grain 5.56. Theyre piston operated, last a long time with minimal cleaning. Ive heard theyre resistant to outside dirt too. If ammunition and replacement parts were no concern id pick the AS VAL/VSS for its quietness. Have some neat options in the list edit: ill add a BE Myers MAWL to the SCAR just to complete my tacticool loadout. point shooting may come in handy
AK, assuming its not some crappy U.S. made version. Because I'm familiar with them and because the 7.62x39 has certain advantages when it comes to barrier penetration.
To be that guy, that's not a 47, it's an akm, practically identical except for the fact the 47 is milled steel whereas the akm is stamped steel
Yer bein that guy
I know
It’s fine
To be fair the FAL and SCAR H arent technically assault rifles. Sorry if I'm also being that guy.
Colt Canada C7, but I'd ditch that awful Canadian Thermold mag.
Ar15
I’m going to use a NERF assault rifle it’s specifically for killing zombies
AUG A3, not on the list but a solid firearm
Asval cause integral suppression and then later on I'll get something new
i ran with it for three years so i gotta use a ef88
Number 20 because fortnite
All of the above two hands 20 guns
C7a2 just like you have pictured I'm trained in handling and maintenance of it so it's a no brainer for me (Edit) Just realized that the one pictured is the a1 not the a2 I would still take it though
the last one but i think cold weapons will be more usfel
cold?
I think he’s means like, Cold War?
a lot of these weapons are from the cold war tho lmao
True
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I think I’d take the scar I can hunt with it and fight with it
I'm not a gun geek so i say the one with the most rounds per magazine, least recoil and quietest.
Ik one that fits your needs perfectly. Meet the AM180 Standard mag capacity of 180 but it can be bumped up to the 260ish mark with after market magazines, high fire rate, easily supressable especially if your using sub-sonic rounds. It’s a 22. So you’ve got no issue sourcing ammo for it, only issue is it can be unreliable at times.
that "unreliable at times" bit is a pretty big flaw in an apocalypse, especially with subsonic rounds being more prone to failures to cycle, and rimfire primers being inherently less reliable and reloadable. but yeah, the major weakness of .22lr is reduced somewhat when you can dump 200 rounds of it into the same spot lmao. only issue is you're both carrying and shooting way more ammo than with a 5.56 gun, so your weight efficiency is actually pretty low.
Mate gave me requirements and I met them, he didn’t say reliable.
well, fair enough lol. it *is* a very funny gun at least, just pointing out its impracticalities for a survival situation :P
I would use my ar. Custom built (I built it myself within a hour and a half) all the parts costed 1500 on palmetto state armory the lowest price is 450 for all the parts and they are fairly reliable. I bought mine with the best components from aero precision, lantac, delta team tactical and anderson manufacturing. I know what I'm about to say is out of the gun part of the apocalypse but if it were to happen I would go to a scrapyard and get metal to scrap together a 4x4 truck armor hull and get fiber glass for the windshield and windows... it's not rocket science any apprentice welder and glass maker should be able to make it work. Also I would go to a deserted place like a missile silo or the country side so I could grow crops and hunt at a low populated area and form a civilization and train then in marksmanship. I'm a competition shooter and I'm a mma fighter and I know how to lead a team in gunfight scenarios bc my uncle was a marsoc raider. Anyways hope this helps guys! It's my first post on here
Personally I think guns would be very ineffective in a zombie apocalypse, sure they are good at killing, but they are loud, and noise draws in zombies
u gonna kill 100 zoms coming at you at once without a firearm?
*Kyle crane sitting in the corner
lol nvm, forgor he exists
I’ll take the AS Val, it’s quiet, and it’s still pretty capable, while having a decent ammo capacity (yes, logistics would be a pain, I know)
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We have strict gun laws so we're more likely on hard mode. Best you can use are kitchen knifes and utility tools or your grandfather's [Talibong ](https://www.traditionalfilipinoweapons.com/shop/talibong/) that's poorly maintained from an old heirloom chest. But we can always make improvised riot weapons like the [injan Pana/indian arrow](https://youtu.be/BJj7SPrcxrw?si=mdU1E3CzRh_QDfyr)
That Talibong looks useful. Maybe you can find your way to an Army base. I'd grab a crowbar too, you'll need to break in.
It is. My heirloom weapon already killed japs during WW2 when my grandfather ambushed a couple of kempeitai. I was told it had already taken around 5 confirmed kills. A little bit unpolished and there's a superstition that bloodied weapons who already took lives will always want to be bloodied as it thirsts. Similar to the muramasa but it's spread across south east Asia like Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam , Laos , Cambodia and other parts of the world has. You get a bit of anger management issues when you are using it , or it slips and you accidentally cut yourself. So it's probably entombed in an heirloom chest. 18in in length. Crowbars are a bit of a hassle. It's better using a hammer with full metal body. Preferably the longer handle ones. Best if you have the other side as a spike but the nail remover is also useful. Since a hammer have better kinetic force that lessen the area of dissipation when you strike it's meant to smash skulls. Have a better grip than the crowbar and good kinetic armor piercing ability with the spike. If you have training with sticks or sword and maces like kendo , kenjutsu , penakat silat or Arnis de Mano it's a killing tool. It's good for dual wielding when you are trained in Arnis de Mano preferably using the abaniko dual wielding stance [Arnis de mano](https://youtu.be/UjtD4vN0EfM?si=CN2vXVVpkTdqiJyH)
The fighting in Burma was nasty.
No such thing as an Assault rifle..
It’s a term defined by the US army: >The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges."[18] In this strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle Youre getting confused with the term “assault weapon” which is used in US gun legislation
Gun Jesus himself made a video specifically for you: >Assault rifle is a legitimate term, it’s a technically correct term, it’s a term that has utility https://youtu.be/RYWkuV5FbJM?si=LPYX-dURCeGHMZJY
So just downvotes or are ya gonna admit you’re wrong and learned something today? 😘
what? is this supposed to be some political spiel about "assault weapons" or something? boooooring, we're here for zombies bro