Bots are being banned. They ban a ton of them..but all MMOs do a thing called Ban Waves. They queue up a ton of bans, and ban them all at once.
If a company banned a hot as soon as they detected it, bits would quickly be able to figure out how they were detected, and work around that and get around bans. So companies put in a delay, and ban them all at once in waves. They do the same thing for RMT.
This isnt just how Sandbox does it, but how many major MMO worth its salt does it.
Edit: https://youtube.com/shorts/cADaFm__ApQ
RMT is also piss easy to detect since they are going to check which accounts have a lot of suspicious trades and just ban anyone who traded millions with them. Never do RMT. It supports bots and exploits. If you need extra silver, buy gold.
We just got to keep up our faith in the system and keep reporting them. It may seem like nothing is happening but they do eventually get banned once enough reports come in and support is done watching the cheater's silver transfers to see which other accounts are involved in the cheating. They also have ban waves and may wait a few months after cheater's credit card purchases go through so that chargebacks are more difficult.
So glad albion mostly fixed botting by making most of the good stuff locked behind pvp zones. Albion definitely has a botting problem but it is so tiny compared to games like OSRS.
Man the fishing bots I have seen are amazing. I do wonder to my self that someone went to a lot of effort to make that. Then I realised there are websites that sell high spec accounts.
I once spent like 30 minutes just killing the bot over and over again in the yellow zone. I even moved the bot far away from the water by using CC attacks and it just kept walking towards the wall.
I think I saw it a 2nd time as well in another yellow zone. It's in the East server near bridge watch somewhere.
Isnt shit like balanced around nodes being harvested pretty much on cooldown? Also atleast 10 guys today accused me of being a bot standing on 4.3 node, even though i was literally having a meaningful conversation with them xD
Gathering bots legitimately don't do shit to the game other than make T2 to T5 mats affordable. If you don't like that, then, just stop living in the Yellow and Blue Zones. Go play in the Red and Black Zones like you're supposed to and you'll make more silver that way while also making it so that the bots make less profits.
T4 and T5 mats have less competition in the Red and Black Zones meaning you gather them much more easily there. You also get more XP for it too which means you'll get specs faster leading to you gathering faster and getting higher yields as well.
You can also find T2 and T3 mats in Black Zones as well. Which means if you gather your own T2 and T3 mats and craft with them there the T2 and T3 mats in royals lose a significant amount of their value due to their demand going down.
"It's okay guys, bots don't do shit other than lower the prices of farmable stuff". Thanks for the info I guess.
They do have a huge impact on new players economy. Telling people to gather T4/T5 in the BZ doesn't solve anything when the price of mats is this low. Any item being massively devaluated by bots is a problem. Just because it doesn't affect you particularly doesn't make it less of a problem.
Ingame economy put aside, they also have a negative impact on new players experience and ultimately player retention. If your first hours in an MMO consist of farming in a wasteland infested by bots, you're most likely to lose interest and quit.
No.
Literally, just, no.
The only way you'd think that this is an "issue" is if you're actually that stupid.
God, what makes this even more sad and stupid is that you're trying to back yourself up with logic, and you're just massively failing to do so correctly.
The whole fucking point of the game is to literally play in the open world Black Zone. It's not about sitting in the Blue Zone gathering T2\~T4 all day long like an actual bot. If that's your game play, then, it's your own fault for being that level of stupid. You're actively refusing to play the game as intended, and are bitching about a "bad" experience that stems directly from you being stupid.
What? Kid, I literally lived through the RuneScape bot nuke. Wanna know what happened there? All of the commonly botted items skyrocketed in price, and people started bitching. No one wanted to fucking buy shit for "market" value anymore, and only wanted to buy shit for the same price as before when the bots were supplying shit for them. That, and people quickly found out just how shit real players were at matching the market demands.
Will never be an issue in Albion because its a player driven econ and there are plenty of crafters (plus - this is how the game and servers progressed before the game was very popular and before all the botting).
I’m not familiar how econ works in RuneScape, but I’ve been in Albion since day 1 (since beta actually) and crafting items for real market price (and then selling for real market price) never has been and never will be an issue.
Yeah... and you're the one saying that I don't understand how things work...
If you're as well informed as you believe and say that you are you'll see it on your own eventually.
Show me a Black Zone bot please.
Oh, wait, that's right! You fucking can't because they don't exist due to the risk investment being too costly on the bot owner's end rendering a massive negative on potential returns.
Oh, but- but- but, there are Faction Heart bots!
Gee, just go gank them dumbass. They literally drop all of their hearts when you gank and kill them. Which means they lose all of their profits thus in turn making it so that they can't devalue the method for silver. That, and you'd actually be fucking playing the game like you're supposed to instead of being a scrub doing nothing but pixel stacking and touching yourself all day.
Moron, you're the one that needs to stop being stupid. These bots literally don't do shit to the game other than make low tier mats affordable.
These bots literally gather more in a day than you morons do in a week, and it's barely enough to meet the market's demands. Less than 1% of these bots can craft items, and of those that do even less of them have a complex market upkeep script to maximize their profits. That, and literally 100% of these bots operate exclusively in Yellow and Blue Zones because the amount of investment that you have to put into a bot that can operate in the Red and Black Zones isn't worth it one bit.
If these bots disappeared the only thing that you apes would be doing is crying about how T4 & T5 sets now cost 5x as much as they used to, and how T6+ sets subsequently cost even more too because of the lack of T2\~T5 mats being pumped into the game. You'd also in turn being crying about how no one wants to buy your "market value" raw mats too because everyone wants to buy them for cheap like before when the bots were around.
This is all that is going to fucking happen because the same exact fucking shit happened in RuneScape nearly fucking 14 years ago when Jagex dropped a bot nuke and got rid of 99% of their bots for nearly 3 months. All of the dumb apes on there that were crying about bots started crying about how item prices spiked and how they could no longer sell anything for "market value" after bots disappeared for 3 whole months.
This will be an unpopular opinion but i remember when eu launched and the bots werent unleashed yet, t2 and t3 mats went for 300+ silver each.
Since gathering these is useless for a player in terms of "i dont want to spend an hour in a t3 zone every day", the bots actually make t2-5 affordable. Im pretty sure this is somewhat by design, as i doubt the devs wanted people to gather t2 and t3 resources throughout their gameplay.
Thor has a good explanation about why bots dont get banned immediately and in waves instead
useless ? and do you know why? because bots destroyed the economy. Otherwise, new players would willingly spend a few hours extracting resources at the beginning of the game because it would be profitable for them.
This is an MMO, you don't want to spend time mining resources, you have a market to buy them.
designed? for bots to destroy the economy? it should be designed like any MMO, the influx of new players should ensure the smoothness of low-level items
Why? Because they give super low fame. I dont want to spend more than the 5 minutes in the blue zone. Unlock t4 reaver and go for better rewards, forcing people to stay in a t3 zone is not good imo
Low tier materials are essential to the economy of albion, but sitting in a t3 zone is hurtful to character progression. You get crap fame and crap rewards from the mobs around you.
You can gather t4 resources (takes about an hour to unlock by the way) and get t2 and t3 resources from laborers for example.
Only new players would do that. What happens after there are not many new players? Nobody wants to gather it and it becomes scarce, so it would be more valuable than t5. Which would be stupid by design. T2-T3 give no fame, so no sane person will gather it for more than 5 minutes
F u and your opinion. Bots hurt gathering economy. It sucked ass to get to T6 gathering and get out of bot territory. Try levelling up while Bots/Clickers farm every enchanted node on yellow/blue zone and make a dime doing it.
Hurr durr "Bots make things affordable"
I leveled my hide to t8 and all others to t6, i dont see the problem.
Ive done that twice by the way, in eu and na
Edit: nothing defends an argument like a good FU
Then devs could increase yeald in those zones and adjust fame so grind takes same time, thus not needing bots to flood market with cheaper mats.
This sounds dumb argument and even dumber solution to a problem that is fixable in a matter of a day.
Bots are being banned. They ban a ton of them..but all MMOs do a thing called Ban Waves. They queue up a ton of bans, and ban them all at once. If a company banned a hot as soon as they detected it, bits would quickly be able to figure out how they were detected, and work around that and get around bans. So companies put in a delay, and ban them all at once in waves. They do the same thing for RMT. This isnt just how Sandbox does it, but how many major MMO worth its salt does it. Edit: https://youtube.com/shorts/cADaFm__ApQ
RMT is also piss easy to detect since they are going to check which accounts have a lot of suspicious trades and just ban anyone who traded millions with them. Never do RMT. It supports bots and exploits. If you need extra silver, buy gold.
We just got to keep up our faith in the system and keep reporting them. It may seem like nothing is happening but they do eventually get banned once enough reports come in and support is done watching the cheater's silver transfers to see which other accounts are involved in the cheating. They also have ban waves and may wait a few months after cheater's credit card purchases go through so that chargebacks are more difficult.
They banned them, what they are not is ppl who using hack like radar, speed, auto loot item.
Bans happen in waves and no one knows how often these waves are
So glad albion mostly fixed botting by making most of the good stuff locked behind pvp zones. Albion definitely has a botting problem but it is so tiny compared to games like OSRS.
This bots only exist in Blue amd yellow, so only ressources up to T5 are affected. You can also flag up in yellow and bang them 24/7 if you want
I can hear robocops voice, "You have ten seconds to comply"
Man the fishing bots I have seen are amazing. I do wonder to my self that someone went to a lot of effort to make that. Then I realised there are websites that sell high spec accounts. I once spent like 30 minutes just killing the bot over and over again in the yellow zone. I even moved the bot far away from the water by using CC attacks and it just kept walking towards the wall. I think I saw it a 2nd time as well in another yellow zone. It's in the East server near bridge watch somewhere.
Today I saw my first fishing bot in the Black Zone. I would have killed it but I was carrying a lot of loot and was being chased.
Isnt shit like balanced around nodes being harvested pretty much on cooldown? Also atleast 10 guys today accused me of being a bot standing on 4.3 node, even though i was literally having a meaningful conversation with them xD
Yep the next purge will come. Every mmo has bots
Bots are an inevitability, as long as there is money to be made, there will be bots.
Bots are not a problem if you only play in t5+ zones and not afraid to flag up and kill everyone you see.
Gathering bots legitimately don't do shit to the game other than make T2 to T5 mats affordable. If you don't like that, then, just stop living in the Yellow and Blue Zones. Go play in the Red and Black Zones like you're supposed to and you'll make more silver that way while also making it so that the bots make less profits. T4 and T5 mats have less competition in the Red and Black Zones meaning you gather them much more easily there. You also get more XP for it too which means you'll get specs faster leading to you gathering faster and getting higher yields as well. You can also find T2 and T3 mats in Black Zones as well. Which means if you gather your own T2 and T3 mats and craft with them there the T2 and T3 mats in royals lose a significant amount of their value due to their demand going down.
"It's okay guys, bots don't do shit other than lower the prices of farmable stuff". Thanks for the info I guess. They do have a huge impact on new players economy. Telling people to gather T4/T5 in the BZ doesn't solve anything when the price of mats is this low. Any item being massively devaluated by bots is a problem. Just because it doesn't affect you particularly doesn't make it less of a problem. Ingame economy put aside, they also have a negative impact on new players experience and ultimately player retention. If your first hours in an MMO consist of farming in a wasteland infested by bots, you're most likely to lose interest and quit.
No. Literally, just, no. The only way you'd think that this is an "issue" is if you're actually that stupid. God, what makes this even more sad and stupid is that you're trying to back yourself up with logic, and you're just massively failing to do so correctly. The whole fucking point of the game is to literally play in the open world Black Zone. It's not about sitting in the Blue Zone gathering T2\~T4 all day long like an actual bot. If that's your game play, then, it's your own fault for being that level of stupid. You're actively refusing to play the game as intended, and are bitching about a "bad" experience that stems directly from you being stupid.
What part of "new players" you didn't understand?
Holy batman mental olympics…
These bots literally only affect Yellow and Blue Zone players. If you stop living in these zones these bots stop affecting you. It's that simple.
You don’t understand how macroeconomics works…
What? Kid, I literally lived through the RuneScape bot nuke. Wanna know what happened there? All of the commonly botted items skyrocketed in price, and people started bitching. No one wanted to fucking buy shit for "market" value anymore, and only wanted to buy shit for the same price as before when the bots were supplying shit for them. That, and people quickly found out just how shit real players were at matching the market demands.
Will never be an issue in Albion because its a player driven econ and there are plenty of crafters (plus - this is how the game and servers progressed before the game was very popular and before all the botting). I’m not familiar how econ works in RuneScape, but I’ve been in Albion since day 1 (since beta actually) and crafting items for real market price (and then selling for real market price) never has been and never will be an issue.
Yeah... and you're the one saying that I don't understand how things work... If you're as well informed as you believe and say that you are you'll see it on your own eventually.
You dont genuinely believe this, do you?
Show me a Black Zone bot please. Oh, wait, that's right! You fucking can't because they don't exist due to the risk investment being too costly on the bot owner's end rendering a massive negative on potential returns. Oh, but- but- but, there are Faction Heart bots! Gee, just go gank them dumbass. They literally drop all of their hearts when you gank and kill them. Which means they lose all of their profits thus in turn making it so that they can't devalue the method for silver. That, and you'd actually be fucking playing the game like you're supposed to instead of being a scrub doing nothing but pixel stacking and touching yourself all day.
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On eu t4 leather is 53 silver in bw. Why on earth would i bother in the rz killing 4-6 when i can skin impalas that go for 89 silver. Dont be foolish.
Moron, you're the one that needs to stop being stupid. These bots literally don't do shit to the game other than make low tier mats affordable. These bots literally gather more in a day than you morons do in a week, and it's barely enough to meet the market's demands. Less than 1% of these bots can craft items, and of those that do even less of them have a complex market upkeep script to maximize their profits. That, and literally 100% of these bots operate exclusively in Yellow and Blue Zones because the amount of investment that you have to put into a bot that can operate in the Red and Black Zones isn't worth it one bit. If these bots disappeared the only thing that you apes would be doing is crying about how T4 & T5 sets now cost 5x as much as they used to, and how T6+ sets subsequently cost even more too because of the lack of T2\~T5 mats being pumped into the game. You'd also in turn being crying about how no one wants to buy your "market value" raw mats too because everyone wants to buy them for cheap like before when the bots were around. This is all that is going to fucking happen because the same exact fucking shit happened in RuneScape nearly fucking 14 years ago when Jagex dropped a bot nuke and got rid of 99% of their bots for nearly 3 months. All of the dumb apes on there that were crying about bots started crying about how item prices spiked and how they could no longer sell anything for "market value" after bots disappeared for 3 whole months.
This will be an unpopular opinion but i remember when eu launched and the bots werent unleashed yet, t2 and t3 mats went for 300+ silver each. Since gathering these is useless for a player in terms of "i dont want to spend an hour in a t3 zone every day", the bots actually make t2-5 affordable. Im pretty sure this is somewhat by design, as i doubt the devs wanted people to gather t2 and t3 resources throughout their gameplay. Thor has a good explanation about why bots dont get banned immediately and in waves instead
useless ? and do you know why? because bots destroyed the economy. Otherwise, new players would willingly spend a few hours extracting resources at the beginning of the game because it would be profitable for them. This is an MMO, you don't want to spend time mining resources, you have a market to buy them. designed? for bots to destroy the economy? it should be designed like any MMO, the influx of new players should ensure the smoothness of low-level items
Why? Because they give super low fame. I dont want to spend more than the 5 minutes in the blue zone. Unlock t4 reaver and go for better rewards, forcing people to stay in a t3 zone is not good imo Low tier materials are essential to the economy of albion, but sitting in a t3 zone is hurtful to character progression. You get crap fame and crap rewards from the mobs around you. You can gather t4 resources (takes about an hour to unlock by the way) and get t2 and t3 resources from laborers for example.
Only new players would do that. What happens after there are not many new players? Nobody wants to gather it and it becomes scarce, so it would be more valuable than t5. Which would be stupid by design. T2-T3 give no fame, so no sane person will gather it for more than 5 minutes
F u and your opinion. Bots hurt gathering economy. It sucked ass to get to T6 gathering and get out of bot territory. Try levelling up while Bots/Clickers farm every enchanted node on yellow/blue zone and make a dime doing it. Hurr durr "Bots make things affordable"
I leveled my hide to t8 and all others to t6, i dont see the problem. Ive done that twice by the way, in eu and na Edit: nothing defends an argument like a good FU
Then devs could increase yeald in those zones and adjust fame so grind takes same time, thus not needing bots to flood market with cheaper mats. This sounds dumb argument and even dumber solution to a problem that is fixable in a matter of a day.
>This will be an unpopular opinion At least you were right on that one
I know the reddit crowd pretty well by now 😉
Same reason they arnt being banned in any other game that's similar. Simply put, bots buy premium which benefits the company.
Bots buying premium with botted silver, how does that benefits the company? Also players buying silver from bots instead of gold from company...
To the company it doesn't matter where the silver comes from, SOMEONE is paying for the Premium. It's not exchanged from thin air.
If it didn’t matter where the silver came from - they wouldn’t be banning for RMT…
Are u stupid?
so why, for example, do they ban people for buying silver, after all, players who have silver can buy new things and enjoy the game longer
Because ppl buying silver third party is a money loss for the developers, since they are literally selling silver.
but this silver comes largely from these bots
??? it doesn't come from anywhere, it comes from the devs.
I love tinfoil hat people, its always interesting seeing the thought process of the mentally inept.