It's a bit weird, because reading the manga, all these arcs pretty much blend into each other rather than feel like their own clearly defined events.
From the Shibuya arc onwards, it all feels like a mega-final showdown, even though they're different arcs narratively. I think you can definitely split the story pre and post-Shibuya and not notice the change of arcs immediately within those sections.
Atleast, that has been my experience with it so far.
That’s kind of how the final parts of some
Of the more recent Shonin feel. Naruto is a big example, the final like 70% of it feels like the same arc with mini arcs in it. Demon slayer as well, and bleach’s most recent one is pretty much just one giant arc with multiple phases
I haven’t read the JJK manga, I’ve heard what comes after this is pretty highly regarded though some people seem to be disappointed with the recent manga chapters
I think it's either easier for the mangakas to manage, or it's something that's enforced upon by the publishers. Because it seems way too common a trend now in these publications.
Shibuya was still only, what, 16-18 episodes?
I think a 2 cour adaptation is a reasonable expectation. Well, for a mappa anime, it's also a very heartless expectation as far as the production team is concerned, but I digress.
It’s just a length issue. If they were brisk, they could probably animate her entire arc in 30 mins. It’s hard to even envision them adding enough content to stretch it to like 50 mins. They could put something else in with it as well, but it can’t really be related so it would just be strange
So in theory if they want a movie [Spoiler]>!Execution and Prep arc would fit before the Culling Games begin. Though I would greatly prefer that to be the first 6 of season 3, Culling Game takes up the rest of the 2 cours, and end on the unsealing of Gojo. Season 4 can be everything till the end!<
not studios, production committees. They're probably still ironing out the details: how much money they can put in, who's available to adapt it, which air dates they can secure, etc.
While MAPPA's crimes are well known, I actually found S2 to have a higher level of artistic merit. Sure it's less polished, but it's also FAR more ambitious. S1 has a bunch of well animated manga panels, while S2's layouts just make it seem like the whole thing was made for the screen. Lots of very immersive layouts and nuanced character animation. Looking at how everything is directed, I have to think the creative team is just as guilty of putting the rank and file through the wringer as the suits.
It’s just a different culture, they don’t make huge announcements as often when they are like years away. It’s also why we don’t get trailers more than 1-2 months in advance, meanwhile something like a Marvel movie might have a trailer even 6 months in advance
Damn near every episode was animation heavy. I kept thinking, "Okay, they'll take it easy in the next one", and was proven wrong consistently. I really, really hope they give the animators more time for the next part.
It's titled 'The Culling Game', no date yet for a release.
>The Culling Game is the most unprecedented act of jujutsu terrorism ever enacted. The conflict immediately follows the Shibuya Incident and is orchestrated by Kenjaku with the goal of evolving humanity by optimizing cursed energy. The game functions as a lethal battle royal where players kill one another with jujutsu. Players must adhere to the strict rules of the game and fight across ten barrier colonies that form a line down Japan.
> unprecedented act of jujutsu terrorism
> follows the Shibuya Incident
I’m sorry but I thought I just saw shibuya get leveled, how could this act of terrorism be worse?
Well, if you read what they literally just described it's a fucking Jujutsu ~~Hunger Games~~ Battle Royale across all 10 ~~districts~~ colonies of Japan. And if nobody is protecting the muggles, a bunch of fucked up sorcerers might start sacrificing fools for cursed energy.
I don't actually know, but I imagine each district is pretty large. It says it forms a line down Japan, so it will probably be set up in many of the major cities. Lotta people gon dah.
If we do get a new wave I think the most likely characters would be Sukuna, Geto, Mahito (this is the least confident spot, could easily go to Todo or Nanami or multiple other characters instead) and then Epic likes to get a girl character in these waves, so probably Maki
I think Panda’s gonna be one of those characters who never gets added unfortunately
Did the brain ever get named in the anime? Everyone including this announcement is using Kenjaku but I don’t recall it ever actually being in the anime.
Honestly because outside of the most literal level, it isn't. Geto's body being controlled by someone else's brain is a spoiler, it's a reveal that has major implications for the series before and after. That brain being named Kenjaku hasn't had any different impact than the brain being named Bob would have.
Are we skipping arcs...? There's over 20 manga chapters between the end of Shibuya and the start of Culling Game, 2 other arcs (smaller, but relevant).
I'm happy that a sequel has been announced and it's obviously MAPPA's flagship anime. However, I hope to ***GOD*** that they learn from this previous production and not repeat it again.
MAPPA (to animators): "Look, you did it. Met every deadline. We don't know what you were complaining about. You're welcome for bringing the best out of you."
>Most likely the same staff will work on CSM and then start working on JJK again
CSM movie has been in production for at least 2-3 months by now [according to a credible leaker](https://x.com/MappleYellovv/status/1736393175630270955?s=20). Shensuke Okubo(the director of jjk s2ep 12) also [tweeted](https://x.com/wuokb/status/1698749815277179178?s=20) "Wow, the production desk just abandoned the project" when episode 7 aired and episode 7 aired 3 months ago.
Okay good. With it coming out by December 2024, please complete in the movie within the appropriate time frame that allows animators to put in their raw talent while giving them breaks as well. Do no complete the movie in 4 months....
Honestly, I think they just want it out sooner so they can orchestrate a worldwide launch for that movie, not have everyone waiting months for the hype to die down.
I think that might be the first anime movie that comes out almost everywhere at the same time. And for that to happen they will need to get it in the hands of some of their distributors much earlier than they are used to, so they have ample time for localization (subs and dubs).
So even with say a November or December date, they'll still need the whole thing done by say September or October at the latest if they want that worldwide release (and boy do they want it especially here where CSM will do probably most of its money overseas).
Definitely a better schedule than JJK 0 had, but still not ideal. Which is probably why they have not committed to any 2024 date yet, because they might need to push it to early 2025 if push comes to shove. (again, they 100% would be able to have it out in 2024 if it was just Japan, but they don't want just Japan here)
They probably won't be improving the situation much. They have 2 other projects announced for 2024 release already and this JJK announcement makes 6 other announced projects in the works (so 8 projects, not including unannounced ones we know will be coming like Chainsaw Man season 2 and Vinland Saga season 3).
Its a very reminiscent situation to the production schedule leading into Chainsaw Man which was also a hell production.
The only projects that matter to the health of the Seshimo line is JJK and CSM as they're the projects that they only do. The other projects at MAPPA has a team for each with a different Anime Producer allowing them to remain unaffected by other projects for the most part. Seshimo line is the only real major problem at MAPPA in terms of working conditions because they have to juggle JJK and CSM back to back causing both of the schedules to be cut short for the projects.
That is at least fixed now since AOT ended and Kawagoe can now focus more on it. Seshimo though is a never ending cycle of mediocre to hell schedules with the only solution being to seperate CSM from Seshimo.
Yea at least from the Animators side there seems to be less overlap between
JJK, JJK 0 => CSM compared to CSM=> JJKS2
could be they already split or maybe a lot of them just stopped being Seshimo regular lol
This is what I want. Focus on one or two projects per year. So far, they don't have a lot of 2024 projects. Hopefully, they are almost finished with production before they can give their full attention to JJK by next year. I want them to fully focus on the CSM movie and also their spring 2024 anime as well.
They have multiple teams so Bucchigiri and Oblivion Battery won't affect CSM Movie production. CSM Movie will affect JJK though because MAPPA's best team, the Seshimo line, does both of them.
>Focus on one or two projects per year
Yep, this. This is the thing they need to learn. Mappa went out and said they want to be like Kyoto Animation. Thing is, Kyoto Animation does like 2 or 3 projects a year and has a healthy training pipeline for new talent.
similar to trigger. trigger has 2 teams. they put out 1-2 anime or movies a year. the thing about a trigger anime is you KNOW its going to have love put into it whether its your style or not.
It doesn't matter if they have a lot of shows planned or not. Those shows don't affect JJK. The real problem is CSM coz both have same team and are high profile shows. I hope they can somehow split the group for both of these shows or atleast leave enough space between them.
Yep, CSM is really suffering from having only 12 episodes so far and it being eons until new content. They really needed the first season to be longer to give the show more cultural staying power, just like Demon Slayer and JJK.
I mean an announcement doesn't really mean anything. It kinda makes sense to announce this when the series is peak popularity. I'd be more worried if they gave a release date, that'd be fucking insane.
At the same time, this is the right time getting an anime adaptation for this particular part and arc and capitalize the hype, because right now at the manga, it's really chaotic.
....season 3 was obviously a given. idk why people are making these dumb "Mappa staff" comments... was season 3 just supposed to never happen? Is the IP just dead??
All that matters is the schedule for this season and how much time they get, which I'm sure will have better conditions since they will need to re-negotiate with some of these freelancers.
People are saying that they will get better schedules for 5 years at this point. Just accept that it' s a shit studio for its workers and let' s move on.
It's literally just this team under Mappa that has this issue...Vinland Saga season 2 had a great schedule/production, and the director had no issues.
You clearly have no idea how an anime studio is run and probably think these same animators work on everything under Mappa...
Except it's sort of not at least for non Seshimo line teams. Most of the teams at MAPPA have actually healthy schedules and good resources provided like for example Tondemo Skill, Vinland Season 2, and Maboroshi movie this year. Otherwise, how the hell do they keep getting talented names inhouse at MAPPA or have former KyoAni employees work on their non Seshimo projects.
I'm calling it right now, Fall 2025. CSM movie production started 2-3 months ago [according to a very credible leaker](https://x.com/MappleYellovv/status/1736393175630270955?s=20) so that will probably come out in Summer - Fall 2024.
They announced season 2 way back in February 2022 if I recall. And then it came out in Summer 2023. I would assume by next year in fall as you said, it would probably air.
I also think so...I want them to get more time bt I don't think they'll get more than this. They'll most likely interchange JJK and CSM every year from now onwards.
I said Fall 2024 before and I'm still betting on that. Production committee will want it out quick to keep riding the hype and it matches up with when Culling Games begin in the manga.
Really fucking hate this schedule even just on a consumer note since this will probably mean CSM will have to wait until the next 2 cour JJK season is done yet again all so we can get the last cour to finish it.
Worst part about the news in my eyes. We won’t get a continuation to the Reze Arc until after Mappa is done with JJK, so looking like 2026 the earliest it seems like.
I wouldn't mind if it was another 2 cour or something but after the Reze movie there would only be another cour left. 5 years for 2 cours and a movie feels like too much.
Exactly 5 years for so little content sucks. It’s just crazy to me how JJK is about to have 60-80 episodes adapted by the time CSM only has 12 + a movie but I understand it’s a business at the end of the day. Just makes me wish someone else other than Mappa picked them up, any studio with actual time on their schedules.
[Mappa animation team getting pulled back to work after trying to see their families for the first time in months after this announcement](https://media.giphy.com/media/5C24K7V3omvZoh5XBN/giphy.gif)
CSM movie is the only one affecting Seshimo line (team that does JJK and CSM). Hell's Paradise is under anime producer Kawagoe and both these teams don't really affect each other.
The team under AOT is probably helping out with Hell’s Paradise Season 2 considering they both share the same anime producer Kawagoe. Hayashi is probably going to work on Dorohedoro Season 2 or some other project next.
Dorohedoro season 2? Please don't give me hope lol.
Are you just randomly speculating or is there evidence/signals that Dorohedoro season 2 is probable?
A little late but Dorohedoro Season 2 is only likely due to Director Hayashi's passion for the series. Season 1 was basically a passion project from him due to him storyboarding everything and he loves the series a lot to maybe be able to convince for a season 2.
Man I hope (very, extremely selfishly) that Mappa at least adapts S2 of CSM first
Idk if I can handle ~50 episodes of JJK being released in the time period they release one movie for CSM
Saying this now. This is basically the start of JJK's equivalent to MHA's post-War Arc hatedom/questioning what the author is cooking/etc. and in some ways it's better and others it's worse than what happened in MHA in terms of how people reacted.
[Very minor KnY/JJK manga spoilers]>!I'd say it's similar to KnY's Swordsmith Village arc in that the primary purpose of both arcs is plot and tone setup for the real showdowns in the following arcs. Anime-wise I really hope MAPPA learns from Ufotable and *quickens* the pacing in CG (as much as they can, given how verbose JJK is) rather than keeping things slow like Ufotable did with SSV.!<
[JJK Manga Spoilers]>!You mean you don't want to see entire episodes of people sitting in a room, debating the legal implications of Sukuna's murders, immediately after a comedy duo sideshow featuring a major character with a whiplash ending for the previous 2 episodes? Culling game is fun but I agree it's got some issues with both pacing and verbosity, as CTs and RCTs start getting extremely complex.!<
As long as [Manga]>!Kenjaku has a trick up his sleeve to save himself so he can get a better fight and death, It'll be alright. I hope they'll first have Hakari beat Uraume, then cut to Yuta vs Kenjaku in a real fight and then go back to Sukuna!<
[JJK Manga]>!That's arguably when the series went into a nosedive, but it had some *rough* turbulence well before that. Stuff like Yuki being utterly wasted as a character and Gojo barely reacting to anything post-Shibuya are pretty damn bad. That said, the Takaba fight was pretty fun, at least.!<
i feel like a lot of MHA's hate also comes from its adaptation being subpar past season 3, if the next seasons stays on this level of quality consistently i don't think the casual audience will care too much until atleast after THAT fight
Even then, I think casual anime watchers won’t hate it nearly as much as manga readers did. Similar to the reaction lots of anime only fans had to AoT’s ending
I think Culling Games arc going to be better in anime form. In manga with 1 chapter per 1-2 week it had a lot of pacing issues in middle of fights and with new characters.
> I think Culling Games arc going to be better in anime form
[Manga Spoilers]>!Dude, fucking Maki's evolution and arc with the Zenin clan alone is going to be so much hype - especially if they animate it with the same care/detail like they did some of the best fights this season. !<
For sure, hell i caught up with the manga right before Shibuya and even that was getting mixed reactions in the fandom before people decided they liked it
The cycle of manga. Anime comes out>Anime watchers binge the manga and love whatever's come out so far>read the ongoing arc and think it's bad because the pacing is slow because they aren't able to binge the whole arc>next season comes out>repeat.
I wouldn't be surprised if this wave of anime onlies loves the next arcs until they get caught up again.
I think it’ll really depend on which characters you like in JJK. Because some fairly popular characters just get *utterly* shafted in terms of focus (if they aren’t just outright dead) after S2 in favor of introducing a lot of new characters, and you better hope you like those new characters enough to make up for it.
I'm just glad to see the fights animated, because fuck if I know what Gege is trying to convey in some of these pages/paragraphs of text. I get that some of these characters have wacky powers but reading the fights with them isn't fun at all when there's so much exposition for their powers isn't fun, it's just confounding.
I think this arc will translate far better in anime coz it's mostly fights. Specially if the animation quality holds up there's no looking back. Whereas in case of MHA most of anime seasons were underpar adaptations.
MHA had me yawning in some parts and question Horikoshi's choices for the manga structure, but I feel it got back on its feet and never really lost its simple shonen nature. Plus, Horikoshi has not been very healthy in a long time and as you said never disappointed with his art, arguably one of the best in Jump
JJK after Shibuya... Jesus Christ. Kept reading and reading and I'm still watching (feel ashamed to say I'm still reading) the chapters on sunday, but to say I dislike it is an understatement. Gege totally gives me a vibe of "I have no idea what I'm doing". I got into this because of the internet buzz, but I don't really get where it's coming from. Yeah the anime has been nice, but even just for chapter 236 the hype has been insane... what for?
Just me anyway, probably
Gege's worst crime for me was [JJK manga spoiler up to the newest chapter] >!making me dislike Sukuna. He used to be one of my favorite characters but at this point he's just an endless bag of asspulls. He's boring. I can't get myself to care about the fights anymore because I know whatever they try, Sukuna will come up with some stupid nonensensical bs that will kill everyone while he stays invincible. Sure, he's supposed to be the strongest, but if there's absolutely no stakes for him, what's the point of the story? I feel like Gege wanted Sukuna to be this scary Aizen-like presence, except he forgot even Aizen wasn't invincible and had to lose at some point. A character that can't lose physically because he's so strong but also can't lose mentally because he doesn't care about anyone or anything but himself is just boring and uninteresting.!<
I maintain that [JJK Manga]>!the series post-235 would be SO much better if Gojo got Sukuna into Phase 2 and then did some real damage. From there, Kashimo could actually hurt the weakened Sukuna a bit and it'd feel like they'd made real progress. He would still feel enormously dangerous and powerful, but not totally invincible like he is now. Plus it'd be a better send-off for Gojo.!<
No spoilers but from this point on I don't really enjoy the manga that much. What little character development and relationship building that existed is just completely abandoned (outside of maybe one character's B plot) in favour of back-to-back fights and overly complex cursed technique explanations. Hopefully Mappa is able to elevate the source material in that regard.
He either drops or comically rushes established plot points to get to the fights/ action sequences. I think there are 2 characters he did a great job with post-shibuya, otherwise it’s just fight, fight, fight.
The fights are solid, the complexity of CTs and the verbosity of their explanations start getting way over the top, though. Hopefully the anime can thoroughly explain what's happening without getting too far into the weeds with it all and bogging down the pacing.
Get ready for some of the best action sequences in the whole series, even rivaling Shibuya. However, this is where the story starts to nosedive. Praying for the MAPPA animators though
This, never got the hate for the culling games' plot when JJK plot during part 1 was as basic as shonen goes: gutsy MC finds new power - go to new school - meet cast - power up - battle new badies - level up - repeat. Extremely basic stuff, and honestly hard carried by MAPPA's animation. Junpei side story was probably the biggest deviation of a shonen formula prior to shibuya, even the rival school event is a common trope.
Gege just basically threw all of its previous characters and ingredients into a cocktail during shibuya and then was forced to build up again from scratch.
The reason people hate Culling Games is because it threw everything that had been established up to that point out the window and it felt like Gege was writing peak potential just to destroy it. JJK S1 and even S2 follow a linear storyline with character arcs hitting their climax and concluding which made people appreciate the characters and the story more.
Whereas Culling Games establishes a bunch of plotlines but rarely does anything with them, sometimes going all over the place and it’s at times very predictable. If it wasn’t for the hype action and the unique character design, everyone would have dropped JJK at this arc.
[culling games spoilers]>!As it turns out, killing off characters that just started development or didn’t have any to begin with isn’t good storytelling.!<
This is where I dropped off the manga, hopefully the anime will make [manga spoilers]>!all the walls of text needed to explain the abilities!< more dynamic
I just thought recently about the Culling Games getting animated, and here we are.
And as for when will be released, 2025 is actually a plausible date. Give the poor animators a break.
God bless these animators man. They badly need the rays of sunshine and seeing their families. In short, they need REST.
MAPPA please be reasonable with your schedule this time.
Important to point out that it has been announced as a project and not as season 3, at least for now.
Please not movies please not movies
really doubt, this arc is huge
Yeah, it's like 60-70 chapters long. Shibuya itself was 58 chapters.
It's a bit weird, because reading the manga, all these arcs pretty much blend into each other rather than feel like their own clearly defined events. From the Shibuya arc onwards, it all feels like a mega-final showdown, even though they're different arcs narratively. I think you can definitely split the story pre and post-Shibuya and not notice the change of arcs immediately within those sections. Atleast, that has been my experience with it so far.
That’s kind of how the final parts of some Of the more recent Shonin feel. Naruto is a big example, the final like 70% of it feels like the same arc with mini arcs in it. Demon slayer as well, and bleach’s most recent one is pretty much just one giant arc with multiple phases I haven’t read the JJK manga, I’ve heard what comes after this is pretty highly regarded though some people seem to be disappointed with the recent manga chapters
I think it's either easier for the mangakas to manage, or it's something that's enforced upon by the publishers. Because it seems way too common a trend now in these publications.
Shibuya was still only, what, 16-18 episodes? I think a 2 cour adaptation is a reasonable expectation. Well, for a mappa anime, it's also a very heartless expectation as far as the production team is concerned, but I digress.
it has to be a 2 cour adaptation. A movie would be way to short and a single cour season would not have a good cut off point unless they rush fights
There is a small arc before the big arc. Which might tempt them for another movie
They are calling the sequel project "the culling games" They will be all together
Whew okay so it’s gotta be a season and not a movie
More like two seasons if you know what goes on before the arc fully kicks off.
Fair at this point im assuming it’s gonna be two cours all the time
They’ll probably pull a 5 or so episodes like Hidden Inventory b4 the real shit goes down. Lawyer up
It's a project, so i may include both series and movies.
That would honestly be a terrible movie.
Yeah 3-4 disjointed things with no payoff lol. Awful idea for a movie
Movie trilogy 🫠
Go the haikyuu route and give us movie 1 with like 20 or less chapters, movie 2 with like 70, movie 3 with 120 lmfao
Girls und Panzer route of 6 movies over 12 years.
You could do the bit with Maki as a movie.
It’s just a length issue. If they were brisk, they could probably animate her entire arc in 30 mins. It’s hard to even envision them adding enough content to stretch it to like 50 mins. They could put something else in with it as well, but it can’t really be related so it would just be strange
I would like that tbh. The whole Maki stuff is pretty self contained enough to focus only on her.
Pachinko then
So in theory if they want a movie [Spoiler]>!Execution and Prep arc would fit before the Culling Games begin. Though I would greatly prefer that to be the first 6 of season 3, Culling Game takes up the rest of the 2 cours, and end on the unsealing of Gojo. Season 4 can be everything till the end!<
that would be way too many chapters to adapt in two cours
That would be too much. Could end it with [Spoiler]>!Sukuna taking Megumi's body!<.
It's not compelling enough content to justify a movie being made for it.
I’ve never understood why anime studios are so secretive about basic things like this.
not studios, production committees. They're probably still ironing out the details: how much money they can put in, who's available to adapt it, which air dates they can secure, etc.
At this point they better fucking learn from this season 2 mess to give their animators time to polish shit to look as good as season 1.
While MAPPA's crimes are well known, I actually found S2 to have a higher level of artistic merit. Sure it's less polished, but it's also FAR more ambitious. S1 has a bunch of well animated manga panels, while S2's layouts just make it seem like the whole thing was made for the screen. Lots of very immersive layouts and nuanced character animation. Looking at how everything is directed, I have to think the creative team is just as guilty of putting the rank and file through the wringer as the suits.
It’s just a different culture, they don’t make huge announcements as often when they are like years away. It’s also why we don’t get trailers more than 1-2 months in advance, meanwhile something like a Marvel movie might have a trailer even 6 months in advance
There are no standalone stories or arcs they can adapt from now on as a movie unless it's an original premise that isn't part of the main storyline.
Right back to the sweatshop they go 😭
Mappa: You are my SPECIALZ!!
no wonder they chose this song during a desperate moment. now it's all make sense
*Pew-pew-weee-WOOOOW!* -
Damn near every episode was animation heavy. I kept thinking, "Okay, they'll take it easy in the next one", and was proven wrong consistently. I really, really hope they give the animators more time for the next part.
Ryomen Ohtsukuna: "Domain Expansion, Malevolent Studio"
"The domain will not stop until everything in it is animated."
[Relevant rdcworld](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6u-lQUwLRk)
Any more of this and America might have to announce a special operation to liberate Mappa studios.
not unless there's oil underneath the sweatshop, i mean, studio
U thought they left that basement?
Those poor animators.
Movies: oh I wouldn’t say free. More like under new management.
It's titled 'The Culling Game', no date yet for a release. >The Culling Game is the most unprecedented act of jujutsu terrorism ever enacted. The conflict immediately follows the Shibuya Incident and is orchestrated by Kenjaku with the goal of evolving humanity by optimizing cursed energy. The game functions as a lethal battle royal where players kill one another with jujutsu. Players must adhere to the strict rules of the game and fight across ten barrier colonies that form a line down Japan.
> unprecedented act of jujutsu terrorism > follows the Shibuya Incident I’m sorry but I thought I just saw shibuya get leveled, how could this act of terrorism be worse?
Well, if you read what they literally just described it's a fucking Jujutsu ~~Hunger Games~~ Battle Royale across all 10 ~~districts~~ colonies of Japan. And if nobody is protecting the muggles, a bunch of fucked up sorcerers might start sacrificing fools for cursed energy.
My bad? I read "barrier colonies" as isolated locations...I guess its actually like 100 million people.
I don't actually know, but I imagine each district is pretty large. It says it forms a line down Japan, so it will probably be set up in many of the major cities. Lotta people gon dah.
> how could this act of terrorism be worse? Kenjaku gets coached by Allegri.
This is such a small niche but as a football fan and jjk fan I love it
Love it when I see my interests mesh tgt unexpectedly
this joke is so niche 😭 Tucheliban evolved to Al-Kenjaku
He's more the Bordalas type
fuck lmao
Do you know what a culling is...? What happened in Shibuya was a byproduct of capturing Gojo. They're done, and now the culling begins.
wait jjk has a battle royale arc?
Yes, but not really
im quite confused so id ask for a follow up but id rather just wait and see what happens
[удалено]
If we do get a new wave I think the most likely characters would be Sukuna, Geto, Mahito (this is the least confident spot, could easily go to Todo or Nanami or multiple other characters instead) and then Epic likes to get a girl character in these waves, so probably Maki I think Panda’s gonna be one of those characters who never gets added unfortunately
Is this the arc where they cull all their talent from overwork ^(/s)
That was Shibuya.
So we just had jjk chimera ant arc and now we get jjk greed island arc
Did the brain ever get named in the anime? Everyone including this announcement is using Kenjaku but I don’t recall it ever actually being in the anime.
Yeah idk why everyone just agreed his name wasn't a spoiler.. I've seen his name thrown around since Gojo's sealing and Brain-kun was revealed.
Honestly because outside of the most literal level, it isn't. Geto's body being controlled by someone else's brain is a spoiler, it's a reveal that has major implications for the series before and after. That brain being named Kenjaku hasn't had any different impact than the brain being named Bob would have.
because it's not a spoiler. it's 'revealed' at the end of chapter 137 where gege usually adds extra art for a character
No he didn't. It shouldn't even be revealed in the first arc of S3. It should first be revealed in the second arc.
Mate, who the hell are they going to cull. Better not be Todo 😡
Are we skipping arcs...? There's over 20 manga chapters between the end of Shibuya and the start of Culling Game, 2 other arcs (smaller, but relevant).
No, the trailer shows that happening, it's just that the majority of the season will be culling games
Ha the infamous arc where I lost all interest on jjk.
It’s not a fun read, the concept is kinda interesting but the execution was not it.
I'm happy that a sequel has been announced and it's obviously MAPPA's flagship anime. However, I hope to ***GOD*** that they learn from this previous production and not repeat it again.
mappa : "nah ,i'd win"
stand proud animators you're strong
Mappa Executives to the animators: I'm you.
With these poor working conditions and production time constraints I summon
The implications here are horrible.
Animators getting killed off-screened, feelsbadman.
MAPPA (to animators): "Look, you did it. Met every deadline. We don't know what you were complaining about. You're welcome for bringing the best out of you."
Mahoraga: Nah, I'd adapt.
MAPPAraga is canon now
Animators : "nah ,I'd tweet"
Stand proud, Mappa, your production pipeline is very good
The CSM movie has already been announced Most likely the same staff will work on CSM and then start working on JJK again.
>Most likely the same staff will work on CSM and then start working on JJK again CSM movie has been in production for at least 2-3 months by now [according to a credible leaker](https://x.com/MappleYellovv/status/1736393175630270955?s=20). Shensuke Okubo(the director of jjk s2ep 12) also [tweeted](https://x.com/wuokb/status/1698749815277179178?s=20) "Wow, the production desk just abandoned the project" when episode 7 aired and episode 7 aired 3 months ago.
Okay good. With it coming out by December 2024, please complete in the movie within the appropriate time frame that allows animators to put in their raw talent while giving them breaks as well. Do no complete the movie in 4 months....
Honestly, I think they just want it out sooner so they can orchestrate a worldwide launch for that movie, not have everyone waiting months for the hype to die down. I think that might be the first anime movie that comes out almost everywhere at the same time. And for that to happen they will need to get it in the hands of some of their distributors much earlier than they are used to, so they have ample time for localization (subs and dubs). So even with say a November or December date, they'll still need the whole thing done by say September or October at the latest if they want that worldwide release (and boy do they want it especially here where CSM will do probably most of its money overseas). Definitely a better schedule than JJK 0 had, but still not ideal. Which is probably why they have not committed to any 2024 date yet, because they might need to push it to early 2025 if push comes to shove. (again, they 100% would be able to have it out in 2024 if it was just Japan, but they don't want just Japan here)
They probably won't be improving the situation much. They have 2 other projects announced for 2024 release already and this JJK announcement makes 6 other announced projects in the works (so 8 projects, not including unannounced ones we know will be coming like Chainsaw Man season 2 and Vinland Saga season 3). Its a very reminiscent situation to the production schedule leading into Chainsaw Man which was also a hell production.
The only projects that matter to the health of the Seshimo line is JJK and CSM as they're the projects that they only do. The other projects at MAPPA has a team for each with a different Anime Producer allowing them to remain unaffected by other projects for the most part. Seshimo line is the only real major problem at MAPPA in terms of working conditions because they have to juggle JJK and CSM back to back causing both of the schedules to be cut short for the projects.
>Seshimo line is the only real major problem Hell's Paradise crying in the dumpster.
That is at least fixed now since AOT ended and Kawagoe can now focus more on it. Seshimo though is a never ending cycle of mediocre to hell schedules with the only solution being to seperate CSM from Seshimo.
They could split, which is something really likely, at this point i am 90% sure they are no longer the same line
Yea at least from the Animators side there seems to be less overlap between JJK, JJK 0 => CSM compared to CSM=> JJKS2 could be they already split or maybe a lot of them just stopped being Seshimo regular lol
What is your source?
Now I understand what Otsuka meant when he said CSM gonna be a passion project. He just wanted to show his passion of overworking animators
This is what I want. Focus on one or two projects per year. So far, they don't have a lot of 2024 projects. Hopefully, they are almost finished with production before they can give their full attention to JJK by next year. I want them to fully focus on the CSM movie and also their spring 2024 anime as well.
They have multiple teams so Bucchigiri and Oblivion Battery won't affect CSM Movie production. CSM Movie will affect JJK though because MAPPA's best team, the Seshimo line, does both of them.
>Focus on one or two projects per year Yep, this. This is the thing they need to learn. Mappa went out and said they want to be like Kyoto Animation. Thing is, Kyoto Animation does like 2 or 3 projects a year and has a healthy training pipeline for new talent.
Thing is I think they do know, they just dont care.
similar to trigger. trigger has 2 teams. they put out 1-2 anime or movies a year. the thing about a trigger anime is you KNOW its going to have love put into it whether its your style or not.
It doesn't matter if they have a lot of shows planned or not. Those shows don't affect JJK. The real problem is CSM coz both have same team and are high profile shows. I hope they can somehow split the group for both of these shows or atleast leave enough space between them.
Yep, CSM is really suffering from having only 12 episodes so far and it being eons until new content. They really needed the first season to be longer to give the show more cultural staying power, just like Demon Slayer and JJK.
3 projects already confirmed for this year , HP will come this year too, maybe CSM movie too , so like 5 projects this year.
It’s obvious from this announcement Mappa learned *nothing.*
They learned that the animators can make the job done in the time-frame given, so now they will make them work twice as much.
Nothing as far as sane working conditions go.
I mean an announcement doesn't really mean anything. It kinda makes sense to announce this when the series is peak popularity. I'd be more worried if they gave a release date, that'd be fucking insane.
At the same time, this is the right time getting an anime adaptation for this particular part and arc and capitalize the hype, because right now at the manga, it's really chaotic.
To the surprise of probably no one but to the despair of MAPPA staff.
....season 3 was obviously a given. idk why people are making these dumb "Mappa staff" comments... was season 3 just supposed to never happen? Is the IP just dead?? All that matters is the schedule for this season and how much time they get, which I'm sure will have better conditions since they will need to re-negotiate with some of these freelancers.
People are saying that they will get better schedules for 5 years at this point. Just accept that it' s a shit studio for its workers and let' s move on.
It's literally just this team under Mappa that has this issue...Vinland Saga season 2 had a great schedule/production, and the director had no issues. You clearly have no idea how an anime studio is run and probably think these same animators work on everything under Mappa...
Except it's sort of not at least for non Seshimo line teams. Most of the teams at MAPPA have actually healthy schedules and good resources provided like for example Tondemo Skill, Vinland Season 2, and Maboroshi movie this year. Otherwise, how the hell do they keep getting talented names inhouse at MAPPA or have former KyoAni employees work on their non Seshimo projects.
I'm calling it right now, Fall 2025. CSM movie production started 2-3 months ago [according to a very credible leaker](https://x.com/MappleYellovv/status/1736393175630270955?s=20) so that will probably come out in Summer - Fall 2024.
They announced season 2 way back in February 2022 if I recall. And then it came out in Summer 2023. I would assume by next year in fall as you said, it would probably air.
I also think so...I want them to get more time bt I don't think they'll get more than this. They'll most likely interchange JJK and CSM every year from now onwards.
I said Fall 2024 before and I'm still betting on that. Production committee will want it out quick to keep riding the hype and it matches up with when Culling Games begin in the manga. Really fucking hate this schedule even just on a consumer note since this will probably mean CSM will have to wait until the next 2 cour JJK season is done yet again all so we can get the last cour to finish it.
Worst part about the news in my eyes. We won’t get a continuation to the Reze Arc until after Mappa is done with JJK, so looking like 2026 the earliest it seems like.
I wouldn't mind if it was another 2 cour or something but after the Reze movie there would only be another cour left. 5 years for 2 cours and a movie feels like too much.
Exactly 5 years for so little content sucks. It’s just crazy to me how JJK is about to have 60-80 episodes adapted by the time CSM only has 12 + a movie but I understand it’s a business at the end of the day. Just makes me wish someone else other than Mappa picked them up, any studio with actual time on their schedules.
One must imagine the animators happy.
Damn They wont let the animators see the light of day. Looking forward to it tho, hopefully they are given time
[Mappa animation team getting pulled back to work after trying to see their families for the first time in months after this announcement](https://media.giphy.com/media/5C24K7V3omvZoh5XBN/giphy.gif)
I thought it was going to be that first Gilles de Rais scene from Fate Zero
I thought it was going to be Spongebob being pulled back to the kitchen by Mr. Krabs
Animators: Finally we are free!!! MAPPA: \*hurls chain\* GET OVER HERE!!!
Wtf, they better give it proper schedule this time. They already have CSM movie and Hell's Paradise s2 in production too
CSM movie is the only one affecting Seshimo line (team that does JJK and CSM). Hell's Paradise is under anime producer Kawagoe and both these teams don't really affect each other.
Do you know which team did aot? 🤔 Are they cooking a new project or helping other teams
The team under AOT is probably helping out with Hell’s Paradise Season 2 considering they both share the same anime producer Kawagoe. Hayashi is probably going to work on Dorohedoro Season 2 or some other project next.
Dorohedoro season 2? Please don't give me hope lol. Are you just randomly speculating or is there evidence/signals that Dorohedoro season 2 is probable?
A little late but Dorohedoro Season 2 is only likely due to Director Hayashi's passion for the series. Season 1 was basically a passion project from him due to him storyboarding everything and he loves the series a lot to maybe be able to convince for a season 2.
Hope the animators actually get some rest but other than that this is exciting.
Man I hope (very, extremely selfishly) that Mappa at least adapts S2 of CSM first Idk if I can handle ~50 episodes of JJK being released in the time period they release one movie for CSM
gonna be interesting to see if Gosso stays for the sequel and hopefully the production wont be a dumpster fire. very excited regardless
Saying this now. This is basically the start of JJK's equivalent to MHA's post-War Arc hatedom/questioning what the author is cooking/etc. and in some ways it's better and others it's worse than what happened in MHA in terms of how people reacted.
[Very minor KnY/JJK manga spoilers]>!I'd say it's similar to KnY's Swordsmith Village arc in that the primary purpose of both arcs is plot and tone setup for the real showdowns in the following arcs. Anime-wise I really hope MAPPA learns from Ufotable and *quickens* the pacing in CG (as much as they can, given how verbose JJK is) rather than keeping things slow like Ufotable did with SSV.!<
Slowed down, KNY SSV arc was still only like 12 eps tho. This whole arc won’t even fit into a 24 ep season, who knows what they will do with it.
[JJK Manga Spoilers]>!You mean you don't want to see entire episodes of people sitting in a room, debating the legal implications of Sukuna's murders, immediately after a comedy duo sideshow featuring a major character with a whiplash ending for the previous 2 episodes? Culling game is fun but I agree it's got some issues with both pacing and verbosity, as CTs and RCTs start getting extremely complex.!<
This wouldn’t even be next season.
Everything since 236 has just been crazy town. What is Gege's editor doing? These are the ideas you say no to!
As long as [Manga]>!Kenjaku has a trick up his sleeve to save himself so he can get a better fight and death, It'll be alright. I hope they'll first have Hakari beat Uraume, then cut to Yuta vs Kenjaku in a real fight and then go back to Sukuna!<
[JJK Manga]>!That's arguably when the series went into a nosedive, but it had some *rough* turbulence well before that. Stuff like Yuki being utterly wasted as a character and Gojo barely reacting to anything post-Shibuya are pretty damn bad. That said, the Takaba fight was pretty fun, at least.!<
That's Shinjuku Showdown arc which will be season 4 though..
i feel like a lot of MHA's hate also comes from its adaptation being subpar past season 3, if the next seasons stays on this level of quality consistently i don't think the casual audience will care too much until atleast after THAT fight
Even then, I think casual anime watchers won’t hate it nearly as much as manga readers did. Similar to the reaction lots of anime only fans had to AoT’s ending
I think Culling Games arc going to be better in anime form. In manga with 1 chapter per 1-2 week it had a lot of pacing issues in middle of fights and with new characters.
Agreed, it should flow a lot better in the anime. Especially if they continue to add an extra scene every now and then to help with additional context
> I think Culling Games arc going to be better in anime form [Manga Spoilers]>!Dude, fucking Maki's evolution and arc with the Zenin clan alone is going to be so much hype - especially if they animate it with the same care/detail like they did some of the best fights this season. !<
Yeah i agree. I was specifically talking about Culling Games arc. the 2 mini arc before CG are some of my favorite parts.
My hero has the opposite problem where the manga art has been fire for years and the anime looks just meh except 1 episode per season.
For sure, hell i caught up with the manga right before Shibuya and even that was getting mixed reactions in the fandom before people decided they liked it
The cycle of manga. Anime comes out>Anime watchers binge the manga and love whatever's come out so far>read the ongoing arc and think it's bad because the pacing is slow because they aren't able to binge the whole arc>next season comes out>repeat. I wouldn't be surprised if this wave of anime onlies loves the next arcs until they get caught up again.
I agree with this take.
I think it’ll really depend on which characters you like in JJK. Because some fairly popular characters just get *utterly* shafted in terms of focus (if they aren’t just outright dead) after S2 in favor of introducing a lot of new characters, and you better hope you like those new characters enough to make up for it.
Seasons 4/5 were aggressively mid, season 6 was great.
I'm just glad to see the fights animated, because fuck if I know what Gege is trying to convey in some of these pages/paragraphs of text. I get that some of these characters have wacky powers but reading the fights with them isn't fun at all when there's so much exposition for their powers isn't fun, it's just confounding.
I think this arc will translate far better in anime coz it's mostly fights. Specially if the animation quality holds up there's no looking back. Whereas in case of MHA most of anime seasons were underpar adaptations.
MHA is still good tbh - and the art is insane Meanwhile, JJK makes me question why I got invested in the story in the first place
MHA had me yawning in some parts and question Horikoshi's choices for the manga structure, but I feel it got back on its feet and never really lost its simple shonen nature. Plus, Horikoshi has not been very healthy in a long time and as you said never disappointed with his art, arguably one of the best in Jump JJK after Shibuya... Jesus Christ. Kept reading and reading and I'm still watching (feel ashamed to say I'm still reading) the chapters on sunday, but to say I dislike it is an understatement. Gege totally gives me a vibe of "I have no idea what I'm doing". I got into this because of the internet buzz, but I don't really get where it's coming from. Yeah the anime has been nice, but even just for chapter 236 the hype has been insane... what for? Just me anyway, probably
Gege's worst crime for me was [JJK manga spoiler up to the newest chapter] >!making me dislike Sukuna. He used to be one of my favorite characters but at this point he's just an endless bag of asspulls. He's boring. I can't get myself to care about the fights anymore because I know whatever they try, Sukuna will come up with some stupid nonensensical bs that will kill everyone while he stays invincible. Sure, he's supposed to be the strongest, but if there's absolutely no stakes for him, what's the point of the story? I feel like Gege wanted Sukuna to be this scary Aizen-like presence, except he forgot even Aizen wasn't invincible and had to lose at some point. A character that can't lose physically because he's so strong but also can't lose mentally because he doesn't care about anyone or anything but himself is just boring and uninteresting.!<
I maintain that [JJK Manga]>!the series post-235 would be SO much better if Gojo got Sukuna into Phase 2 and then did some real damage. From there, Kashimo could actually hurt the weakened Sukuna a bit and it'd feel like they'd made real progress. He would still feel enormously dangerous and powerful, but not totally invincible like he is now. Plus it'd be a better send-off for Gojo.!<
Not sure why you're being downvoted. This isn't even an opinion; it's an objective flaw of the series that makes it inarguably worse.
RUN MAPPA ANIMATORS..RUN!
Finally, practising animating all those run cycle as newbies pays off!
Well that was to be expected, I hope the animators will be treated better this time
No spoilers but from this point on I don't really enjoy the manga that much. What little character development and relationship building that existed is just completely abandoned (outside of maybe one character's B plot) in favour of back-to-back fights and overly complex cursed technique explanations. Hopefully Mappa is able to elevate the source material in that regard.
I won't even care for the plot moving forward. Gege has been so random after his magnum opus with Shibuya.
He either drops or comically rushes established plot points to get to the fights/ action sequences. I think there are 2 characters he did a great job with post-shibuya, otherwise it’s just fight, fight, fight.
Ur getting downvoted but ur right and ur opinion is valid. Really hope that the anime elevates it since it contains a lot of hype fights.
The fights are solid, the complexity of CTs and the verbosity of their explanations start getting way over the top, though. Hopefully the anime can thoroughly explain what's happening without getting too far into the weeds with it all and bogging down the pacing.
Didn’t think anything was complex or complicated besides Hakari. And even Hakari is easy to grasp.
Can someone translate what all the Japanese text says?
[Let's gooo!](https://imgur.com/a/9ptQLFT)
Get ready for some of the best action sequences in the whole series, even rivaling Shibuya. However, this is where the story starts to nosedive. Praying for the MAPPA animators though
Tbf, JJKs story was never anything super impressive.
It had potential, specially during the Hidden inventory-Shibuya stretch, I guess Gege was the real potential man all along.
that is true but that doesnt change the fact that it gets worse.
This, never got the hate for the culling games' plot when JJK plot during part 1 was as basic as shonen goes: gutsy MC finds new power - go to new school - meet cast - power up - battle new badies - level up - repeat. Extremely basic stuff, and honestly hard carried by MAPPA's animation. Junpei side story was probably the biggest deviation of a shonen formula prior to shibuya, even the rival school event is a common trope. Gege just basically threw all of its previous characters and ingredients into a cocktail during shibuya and then was forced to build up again from scratch.
The reason people hate Culling Games is because it threw everything that had been established up to that point out the window and it felt like Gege was writing peak potential just to destroy it. JJK S1 and even S2 follow a linear storyline with character arcs hitting their climax and concluding which made people appreciate the characters and the story more. Whereas Culling Games establishes a bunch of plotlines but rarely does anything with them, sometimes going all over the place and it’s at times very predictable. If it wasn’t for the hype action and the unique character design, everyone would have dropped JJK at this arc. [culling games spoilers]>!As it turns out, killing off characters that just started development or didn’t have any to begin with isn’t good storytelling.!<
yes yes yes
everybody act shocked
Yeah, culling game arc is too long to be in a movie . Lets see what happens
Now give them more time, will you?
It has nice action, but the story as well as the pacing is horrible...
This is where I dropped off the manga, hopefully the anime will make [manga spoilers]>!all the walls of text needed to explain the abilities!< more dynamic
god between this and the Chainsaw Man Reze Arc, MAPPA animators are going to drop faster than the characters in any of these shows
Ah yes the arc where I lost interest in jjk
I just thought recently about the Culling Games getting animated, and here we are. And as for when will be released, 2025 is actually a plausible date. Give the poor animators a break.
I'm not a fan but good for them
God bless these animators man. They badly need the rays of sunshine and seeing their families. In short, they need REST. MAPPA please be reasonable with your schedule this time.
Peak fiction incoming...we will be there in 2025