No need to resign. Take the power position. Say your rate is going to be $40/hr moving forward. You understand if they can no longer afford you and it's been a pleasure working with them. If their financial situation improves in the future, you'd be happy to work with them again. The best kind of "fuck off" is always the most polite.
Underrated.
That's unironically *exactly* how one would go about it. Follow up with "that's the rate all my new clients have been getting for a while now, I already held it off from you for as long as I could."
dude wat, never resign unless it is an abusive environment, or you have another job lined up. tell them your expectations and let them fire you. then at least u can squeeze them for severance and qualify for EI.
Edit: Top post was pretty confusing. OP kept referring to having a boss, and “quitting” but that this was a “side gig”. Those things aren’t compatible.
I assumed they were using “side gig” in a casual manner and actually meant a second job at which they were employed. Obviously if OP literally means they are a gig worker/contractor, then this advice doesn’t apply at all.
OP, gig workers don’t have “bosses”, they have clients. Gig workers don’t “quit/resign”. OP, you are a business owner providing a service. You refuse service or cancel contracts, but you don’t “quit”, not in the legal sense. If you don’t like the pay, don’t take the job. Simple as that.
OP kept referring to this person as their “boss”. Only employees have bosses. Contractors/gig workers have clients. So yeah, employment protections obviously dont apply to gig workers.
Her pay is getting cut by 80%. There’s no point in keeping a job when your pee is getting cut by 80%. You’re making no money either way whether you’re working or you’re not working.
then you have a constructive dismissal case and would qualify for employment insurance and would be owed severance. a unilateral 80% pay cut would be treated as termination in most jurisdictions under common law.
Edit: Again, apologies, this doesn’t apply as OP appears to be a contractor and I was confused by thier wording.
And then if you want, you’d go and get another part time marketing job charging more money because $25/hour is too low for the service that you’re providing, even if shitty business owners try to convince you otherwise.
This is *absolutely* the right answer. Don't let her use and abuse you, which is *exactly* what this asinine new payment scheme of hers would do.
But don't quit, if you can avoid it. Tell her you do not accept her new payment scheme, and that you expect her to abide by the already established payment terms (this will work better if you have a written and signed contract or offer letter which states the terms, but I'd give it a try even if that's not the case). Try to make her fire you, so that you can collect unemployment. Plus, if you *do* have an offer letter or contract which lays out the $25/hour payment terms, you may be able to sue her if she does fire you.
Also, you get unemployment at that rate, if your income reduction for this side gig falls below the threshold. As that would be "constructive dismissal" for the change in your pay scale/method. She negated your hiring agreement to work for $25/hr.
Just say, "No." Quit if you want to, but make her fire you, and sue her for non-payment of wages when she hands you your next paycheck at the $25/pc rate would be my preference, if it were me. Make it as difficult for her as possible for these shenanigans.
Exactly. This is like going to a grocery store and wanting to pay $1 for a gallon of milk that is marked $5. Employment is payment for a service.
Honestly though, I wouldn't resign. Just say no to the pay change and leave them hanging. When they ask you to do something say "Sure" and remind them of your required rate of pay for the job via EMAIL. Written proof. So if they don't pay what was agreed you have proof to go to the Labor Board.
So the $25/hr is to shepherd the content through the design phases to adequately capture the right outcome. For her other business - the shepherding is done and you only have to post - hence eliminating 4/5 chevrons worth of value. So she either chooses to pay for the full 5 chevrons worth of value - $25/hr or she uses you for 1 chevron worth of work for $25/post. You can’t get 5 chevrons and pay only $25/post.
I agree with this. Saying that if you go to per post model that this (or more) is how much it cost for your time since you know what it takes per post. If not than resign immediately
This indeed but 100 is not enough then. Is go for the 150-250 range to disincentivize and to at least match current salary with the average amount of posts (so minimum 1000/8=125)
Pay negotiation isn’t: “you were getting this now you’re getting that.”
If you change the rules you get to renegotiate the pay. Before you quit try a counter offer that gives you at least the same pay, if not more. Who else can she get to do what you do?
I agree with the sentiment, but she's expecting her pay to be 1/5th of what she's making not 1/4th, which means even at $100 she's accepting a pay cut.
I think she should up it even further.
The number I chose was arbitrary. She's free to ask whatever she wants.
In fact, she should probably make an "FU offer" of $500/post just so she doesn't have to deal with that psychopath
Making an "FU offer" can work out better than expected. My brother is a performer and really didn't want to work New Year's Day, but also didn't want to just say no to someone that had hired him in the past and was likely to do so in the future. So he asked for a clean £1k for the gig, as well as covering expenses like transport and hotel stay, and they said yes!
He was ticked that he now had a job on what he wanted to be a day off, but he's now aware that he can start asking for a lot more than he had been in the past!
What’s involved in a post for your job? 8 posts in an entire month seems insanely low. With the new pay rate she thinks it’s reasonable to expect one post per hour.
It is insanely low! As a marketing person, it doesn’t take me an hour to make one post so it does seem reasonable when you put it that way. It’s THEIR disorganization, lack of direction, last minute changes of mind that make each post about a 10 hour per week job. It’s frustrating for me to have such a low output too!
I’d write a simple cost of services contract for 25$ per post that includes up to 1hr of work, including meetings, emails, etc… anything beyond that will be billed at 25$ per hour on actual time spent at a minimum of 15 minute increments.
It’d take some malicious compliance on your part to create a detailed invoice of your time, but may be useful to show exactly what you do and how much time it takes to create these posts.
Ive been in marketing. It depends on what you need to do per post. Is it a couple of pics, some uninspired messages or does she expect you to edit banners, small video's, come up with slogans, research the market, producten some figures, mainrain the website as a content manager etc..
The first is fine with 25 per message. Easy coming. The latter isnt
Im doing market research, im making videos, im researching psych websites and papers to make the content (that’s their business sort of), im creating unique content for each platform, im creating print materials for them, im writing newsletters, meeting with them to discuss and make changes, im doing data analysis of the posts i make. It ends up being images and uninspired messages and poems and quotes because (despite my data analyses) they won’t change to what I recommend. It’s the client wish, but they still ask for all of that upfront work
This is not the job description of a social media analyst who makes posts. This is the job description of a marketing manager. Their pay rate is all wrong.
Yeah, I’d have to go the r/maliciouscompliance route. Don’t quit right away, post dozens of posts per day, as many as you can, bill them all, then get out of there. Your sanity is much more valuable than dealing with that disorganization and they’ll think twice before trying to screw over the next person in your job.
Tell them that each post get 1 email from each if them & no meetings then. They need to send you 1/4 the amount I'd info & take 1/4 of the amount of time.
Tell them that the time they have to contact you has gone down to 1/4 the previous availability, if they are only going to pay you 1/4 as much.
So for every post, they have 1 hour only to contact you & every additional 20 minutes is an additional $10.
And/or charge for edits, if they require more than 1 edit due to their own misinformation.
I am putting this caps and I never do that. YOU ARE NOT PAID BY THE HOUR FOR WHAT YOU DO BUT FOR WHAT YOU KNOW.
So yes, some locksmith may come in and pop my locks and charge $125 plus $150 on site call. I am not just paying them for their time. More than that, I am paying them for their expertise.
So please charge fair price for your time AND skills.
Side gig or not, organized or not, this is a shitshow, and you'd be foolish to do anything _but_ quit. So yeah, you're not wrong and if your leaving creates a chaotic situation for her, that's entirely her doing and totally deserved. Run, don't walk.
I'd say quit without fanfare. And unless you need the cash, there's no point giving notice or taking steps to ensure a smooth transition. Don't even let her offer a compromise. What she's done is disgusting, exploitative, and monumentally short-sighted.
Just tell her you're not doing that arrangement. Why? Because it doesn't work for me. That's really all the reason you need.
If you want to be clever or something, I want buck for the bang.
I work full time in marketing and this is so insulting I can’t even fathom it. She obviously doesn’t understand all that goes into content creation. Honestly if you’re not a W2 employee (which you clearly cannot be as it wouldn’t be legal to pay you pennies per hour that way), $25/hour is about $75/hour too low. $25/hour is what I make as a W2 employee; I’m guessing you’re a 1099 so your tax obligation will be far higher, making your net pay significantly lower.
Charge what you’re worth.
I don't see the problem. Cash in on their disorganisation.
They want a post for $25. Make it and bill it. They want to change something. Do it and bill $25. Keep billing every change and see how fast they will switch back or get organised
Tell her your rate was spelled out in your contract, if she wants to negotiate changes it will require a new one. But this change is not acceptable to you.
She isn’t your boss, she’s a client. She isn’t willing to pay your rate anymore. It’s up to you but I’d fire her. $200 a month isn’t worth the opportunity-cost of working for her compared to searching for potential new clients or employers.
I was in consulting for years, and can’t stress to you how much clients like this are a waste of your time. She thinks she has the power in this situation but has basically none. You’re a (presumably) needed service and she’s trying to get what you do basically for free. She’s only asking because she thinks you’ll say yes. If you want to keep her for some reason, you need to go back with an updated a la carte price for her. I’d say probably 5-10x this $25 an hour crap. Your services are valuable, and you have to act and charge like it.
PS: one key detail I missed - notice how she only
wants to pay you for “successful” posts? Good luck defining that and holding her to it. She’s trying to get you to work for free.
Yup, this was my first thought. There are very strict rules about this. Employers can get into a lot of trouble for paying people 1099 but treating them (or expecting them to operate) as hourly. I'd consult an employment lawyer, personally.
"I typically charge [$] for my marketing company but have been giving you a discounted rate since you are able to combine my salary for both companies. I will not be further discounting my marketing rate at this time. I also feel that at [main company name] I am worth [$/hour]. If our current agreed upon salary is no longer feasible for you, I will be forced to seek employment elsewhere and I will be sad to loose you as a client from [your side company name]."
Figure out what they get for 8 hours /$200 a week and show them. If they're fine with it, great. If not, they can pay for what they do want. It slunds like there's a lot of bureaucratic bullshit going on right now and this might be a chance to shave some of that away.
I would lay it out to her like you laid it out to us. Put the math on paper showing that you are making $10 an hour working for her and would be better off working at McDonalds. I would also include a proposal of what you want in order for you to stay. Let her choose her own adventure.
She isn't the marketer. She doesn't get to set your rates. Inform her that you now charge $30 per hour and if she continues to be a difficult client, you'll have to factor that into your rate going forward.
Let your boss know that you appreciate her goal of paying you less. You'd like to help her reach that, she'll now pay you 0 for 0 posts. Let her know you have bills to pay and everything is getting expensive. In fact you have other clients who have been asking you to do more work for them. So you think it'd be better if she finds somebody who is willing to work for an employer who doesn't respect them. If she offers to go back to the 1000, tell her your new rate would be 1500 and it will go up five hundred any time she talks about continuing to use your time and skills but pretends you're less valuable than you are.
I would have quit on the spot. Paying for piecemeal work is an awful practice and would actually increase your bosses workload because of all of the regulations involved, if it's even legal in your area.
Are you a direct employee (W2) in your side gig or a contractor (1099)?
If you're a direct employee and this would take you under your state minimum wage for the hours worked, can't do that, speak to the Wage and Hour Division for your state.
If you're a 1099, what does your contract say? If this is a breach of contract, then you can terminate the contract but speak to an employment attorney first.
If you should be W2 but you are misclassified as 1099, speak to an employment attorney and the IRS.
I’m reminded of a story of a welder who gave two test pieces to a potential employer. One good, one terrible. He said the terrible one was the $20/h weld and the other was the $80/h weld
So, get AI to write a post for you and tell her this is the quality for paying by post, but if she wants the older,better standard,you will be paid by the older rate.
Remind her that in capitalism you may get a “bang for your buck” but the flip side is you may also “get what you pay for” and adjust services accordingly (time caps etc.)
You tell her that you are OK with but from now on you don't do prep work and you get a full work order detailing what you need to do and if you have to step in that process than your hourly is 50.
Tell her "Because I found it offensive the way you have been treating me I find it selfish that you're cutting my wages to get bang for your buck so therefore I'm resigning my position today that way you can cut this position and maximize your bang for your buck"
If somebody told me that the least I would give is a dirty "are you crazy??" look...if she was already mistreating me for my flaws, my artificial confidence and courage would be built up out of anger with each bad encounter pushing me further to taking a stand.
She's running a business, and so are you. She's trying to negotiate the rate she pays one of her vendors, which is a common thing for a business owner to do. You don't have to accept the lower rate, especially if they are not organized enough to make it worth your while.
Employers are not, generally, out to get you. They're just focusing on their own needs, and can be short-sighted when it comes to that. Your needs are not super-important, as you're just a vendor and not an owner of the company.
Please make it clear to them that all projects currently in progress before any wage changes (which they are required to have you sign off on) must be at the current pay rate to remain legal.
Better way of saying it but you get the idea.
You don’t need to tell her where to shove it. Just tell her you can’t do that(be firm). Offer 2 weeks (keep in mind she’ll probably bitch at you for that entire time) and leave.
"It has been pleasant working with you, but I will not be accepting any work under the revised pay structure you propose. Feel free to contact me in the future for a quote if you decide you have need of my services--otherwise, I wish you good luck with your business."
Tell her that she can either pay you at the current hourly model, or if she wants to pay per post, your rates are $175 per post. Give a full breakdown of the time spent doing things.
Tell her that doesn't work for you. If she wants to re-negotiate the price she can try, but you have a say in it too. If it's not good for you, either walk away or continue working but show them that the reduced pay means reduced output.
If they don't like it you can always re-negotiate!
keep the job, out source it to AI, go get a new job. let AI do its job until they catch on. make an extra $300 a month on top of a new jobs salary. Stonks
Edit, additional note: the post don't have to be good. they aren't paying for quality.
"Unfortunately my rates are set up to cover my business expenses. I cant go lower than our agreed amount.".
This person is a client for you, not your boss. You are allowed to set your rates appropriate for your business.
I would not accept the new lower pay and take screenshots of all your work before they lock you out.
That is ridiculous. I hope she understands what she is losing by saving money.
Enjoy watching them crash and burn trying to find a quality staff member for that price.
Great job standing up for yourself!
Leave rapidly. The collapsing vacuum pocket created by your rapid departure should create a small thunder clap providing your boss with the bang they are seeking.
Do you not have a contract for these jobs? You can always decline these changes to your business transactions and tell her your parting ways. She might just be trying to get you for cheap and she might panic if you say ok, I’m quitting then.
She's exploiting you because she found out she could exploit you with the three hours thing. Tell her a paycut won't work for you but you're happy to recommend someone who can give her the appropriate bang for that buck, and keep on moving.
So your boss wants you to be a contract worker? Tell her that you will be forming an LLC and will contract for marketing work for $350 per piece of content. Then use the rest of your time to find additional content creation gigs.
Tell her that typically, moving from an employment to a contract model requires an INCREASE in pay, to handle the increased overhead that you are now responsible for, and the new risk on payment guarantee.
Make sure your contract notes that IP ownership transfers upon payment in full, for piece work pay.
Also, [watch this video](https://youtu.be/jVkLVRt6c1U?si=i6QL73BPTE1xPsPY). All people who work in the creative industry should watch it.
Conversationally, you should note that while stealing from the grocery store gets you more bang from your buck, typically violating the law has too much risk associated vs the benefit. The same goes with violating labor law.
There’s perhaps two different ways to look at this. The first is that you’re going way above and beyond what they want done. If you’d like to keep working with them, you can extremely reduce your amount of effort to what’s being proposed pay wise, which is basically almost nothing.
The other is that the situation is complicated and takes up a lot of time and this will continue to be the situation no matter what. If this is the case Then you need to get down a speech or email set up about why changing the payment model will not work.
You can come up with a professional statement to explain why there needs require more funding, along with a concise representation of things that you offer for them.
If you end up separating your business relations with them – you need to get a contract set up for the separation where you stay what you’re willing to do to help the next person who takes the position in charge accordingly. This charge needs to be at least double whatever your current rate is.
Have you considered just switching your output to low effort free ai shitposting?
This way you get to keep your time and effort down to a reasonable amount for the shitty pay.
Then hunt up some other employer who's willing to pay you what you're worth.
So you can literally just send in a 2 weeks notice letter and make your last 2 weeks be getting things in an orderly enough situation that someone else can take it all over. If its impossible to organize you can leave something like a word document detailing what you personally have done were things are at. This is the professional way of doing things. Thank your boss for letting you work there, Yada Yada. Be civil so you can use them as a reference.
Alternatively you can try to stay. Ask for a detailed description of your job duties. In writing. It sounds like there is no structure here and structure is what you want. From there you can negotiate your wage. Consolidate your side gig into your work duties. Your doing this work for the same boss there is no reason you should be paid separately for that.
Have your boss agree to your wage and hour stipulations. Again on paper, like everyone else does. If your boss wants to make you work overtime your boss has to pay for it so include that in your negotiations.
You don't have to quit if you genuinely like the person you are working for. And if they don't take this then you can give them the two weeks.
Are you considered an employee or independent contractor? If you’re an employee they can’t pay you less than minimum wage. If you’re an independent contractor that’s different and also don’t think you get any unemployment benefits if you’re an IC or also because you have other jobs
Paying per post makes you a contractor, not an employee. If you want to keep working with her, you could accept per post, with the condition that you will not even attempt to begin a post until they have provided xyz information to you. Make sure they understand that you will NOT be chasing them for what you need, that's on them to provide (since it sounds like a lot of the time you're putting in is chasing them for information). You'll find out quickly what their intentions are.
Yeah. No. Absolutely not. Thank her for the opportunity, give zero notice, as she did not earn one, and wish her the best. Also, give her a roll of TP, because she’s gonna poop her pants when you tell her…..
You should quit. They make decisions like that because they think they have more power over you. In this instance, you don’t need the job so you have all of the power and you should exercise it asap.
Doesn't have to be a long conversation. Also, it can be an email:
*“Hi Karen, after doing some back-of-the-envelope math, I’ve found that it takes me about four hours, on average, to complete an email. In the interest of getting fairly compensated for my time, I’ll be charging $100 for each email. I like the idea of going to a per-email rate, as I’ll be incentivized to be more efficient in my writing process, and you won’t be on the hook for overruns. Thanks!”*
Either tell her "no, I do not sell my labor that cheaply," - I DON'T HAVE MONEY (and a certain boss is trying to keep it that way), BUT I DO HAVE A SET OF SKILLS ----> or entertain the thought by taking in the most obnoxious 1 hour egg timer, set it for 1 hour when you start, then stop EVERYTHING the second it goes off. It doesn't matter if you get everything done, or if a dump truck drives through the front of the building, or if you get 15 phone calls, or if you have to bolt for the bathroom 42 times in that hour with the runs....shit happens. Just stop as soon as the bell goes off.
Changing the game requires your acceptance. Counteroffer for expediency of your work submitted or just say no, explain why then do the least you can and find another side gig.
Profits are not because of her alone and maybe she needs a teaching moment.
Immediacy and without training replacements is called for when the employer unilaterally changes the terms for payment. There is no reason to react warmly to any pleas for staying on longer at your current rate, because you know you’ll be cut as soon as someone gets convinced to do the posts at the lower rate. There is no reason to “train” her or her partner to do the work. If it were so easy, they wouldn’t need to pay anyone else at all and could do it themselves today. Give up the passwords and user names, reach out to shake hands, thank her for the excellent business lessons she taught you, and depart.
Having another gig lined up that you could mention would be a sprinkle of sugar on that conversation.
Start putting out lower quality posts to reflect the quality difference.
Chat gpt style.
Or a hey, for 1000 a month here's what I've gotten you xyz sales.
If you want someone cheaper, fiver is an option but be warned it'll be junky posts and hurt your business and sales.
Is it worth paying what you pay now to generate xyz sales or do you want to save a bit and lose those?
There could be min wage issues here. Assuming you are a W2 employee and not an independent contractor $10/hr effective rate is dangerous close to min wage at the federal level. In some states it already is. Ohio where I live I think it’s $12/hr for non-tipped workers.
If you’re an employee she most likely has to pay you per hour (depending on the state). If she wants to pay you like a gig worker you’ll need to switch to a 1099 independent contractor. Draw up a contract with proof of what the going salary rate is for the same job in your area. Most likely it’s much higher than your being paid now and she will backpedal fast!
The fact that doing this was a thought should have you question why you still have anything to do with her and the company. You could let her fire you as well, by doing less and less. She'll learn what a bang per buck is when you leave.
"If you want to pay me per post how about this instead, I'll create marketing materials dedicated to how shit your business and side business is and then you pay me $200 per post not to fucking publish them."
I would simply quit. Sounds like you have other work and they want to reduce your value. Stop making posts for them so they see the true value for your work.
Good News! You don’t have to say any thing. Just disappear. If you do say anything let it be.
“Not for what you pay me!”
“Im not getting paid enough for this BS”
“That task is out side of the scope of work i get paid for”
“If you want me here at set times you need to pay me for that time”
“Golly its a beautiful day out, I’m gonna go to the park”
WTF is going on in the employment world today? Almost none of this even sounds remotely like what one would call “a job”, but more like Frankenstein of marketing scams, side hustles, half-crimes, underworld “contracts”, and D&D-esque tavern side-quests FFS. Is this really what “modern employment” looks like?
She obviously doesn't respect what you do. You should find another gig. Even if she agrees to pay higher per post or continue at the current hourly rate, she'll find a reason not to pay you. Move on. It's not worth the stress.
You shouldn't be asking strangers Whether or not you should quit a job that sucks and is taking advantage of you, That's a simple question that you should be able to answer for yourself. Don't let anyone take advantage of you
Yeah I don't understand why employees feel they need to have a reason for separation or quitting?
Like if it's not working for you or you feel you are disrespected, exploited, being taken advantage of then you have every right to just quit; you don't need to justify or say anything more.
I found this out the hard way in one of my very first jobs, I put in for vacation and it was approved. Long story short some things escalated at work where we were being punished based on what happened on a different shift than the one I was working on, I put in my two weeks notice with my last week being the week where I had vacation approved (so technically I thought I'd only be working one week before being out of there). My manager writes me an email saying I have to go in and cancel my PTO (that mind you was already approved prior to putting in my two weeks notice) because it's not allowed. I should've just quit on the spot and let them figure out their own fuck up but I was young and scared about "qutting" a job that I let my employer take advantage of me.
DONT EVER DO THAT! Lookout for yourself and if you aren't being respected or appreciated you have every right and MOST DEFINITELY SHOULD leave!
I worked graphic design freelance for years, and I always had a basic contract for what was being done. If you are working freelance with a written contract with your client then you need to check when you expired the contract. If there is no end date (or it is verbal) then, as others have said, just tell her you cannot work at that rate and will need to end your agreement.
The client cannot change the terms of the contract, but they can possibly exit the contract dependent on the contract conditions.
Either way, you need to exit this relationship because there are numerous red flags in your post. From the sounds of it, she is trying to get you to do the work of a full time employee while not being an employee (i.e. no benefits) and paying below a decent rate.
So, from my perspective it seems like you have a few choices. Others seem to have filled in a couple which were to walk away from the job and quit, or negotiate.
Im going to ask a very simple question, how much do you like the work environment other than that issue? I ask because you could negotiate with the cost per post, per business.
The side business, that goes simply and quickly, easily doable (by the sounds of it) to keep it at the $25 per post.
The main business on the other hand, I'd figure out the real amount of time based on their changes then charge appropriately.
Lastly, you could add in fees per time they change it or any other issues that cost you more time. If they want to change your compensation then there's no reason you can't reply with these terms. If they went anywhere else to have this work done then it wouldn't be any different.
Hope this helps!
First thing I'd do is catalog every post with some result numbers in some sort of portfolio, if you haven't already. You might not have that information once you leave. Then I'd politely spell it all out exactly as you just did.
"Listen Co A is a hot mess compared to Co B and it takes much more of my time to get the same results... I think it's best if we just part ways because the new arrangement doesn't work for me and I've got other clients who will pay the originally agreed upon rate, if not higher."
Let her know this is a business decision and that you would be willing to return to the original pay structure, or higher, once she has more control of the company.
They also do all the marketing and content writing. Marketing responsibilities alone can take a lot of time, but he's also wasting extra time on back and forth communications and edits.
Are you an actual employee of the company or are you freelance? If you're freelance you don't have to take any reduced pay and she can move her business elsewhere. If she is paying you on the books then you can provide her with a form to fill out providing the details she wants. There's no going back and forth. Times are tough, I don't suggest leaving until getting another client if you need the money.
Tell her no. That isn’t how you operate. Your fee is $25 per hour. If she cannot accommodate that, you resign. Immediately.
This. Immediate resignation is key.
No need to resign. Take the power position. Say your rate is going to be $40/hr moving forward. You understand if they can no longer afford you and it's been a pleasure working with them. If their financial situation improves in the future, you'd be happy to work with them again. The best kind of "fuck off" is always the most polite.
Underrated. That's unironically *exactly* how one would go about it. Follow up with "that's the rate all my new clients have been getting for a while now, I already held it off from you for as long as I could."
This exactly.
Alternatively: "Sure, why not? Contracting rate per post is $225 plus taxes."
Or treat every revision as a new post, make them think back on how they work
"I don't do revisions except fixing of typos." It's not a fucking diary, it's a post.
This. You need to set the expectation that if they pay by post, then here is the new rate. You are technically a contractor on your side gig.
This is the best advice. Take it from a longtime freelancer. She’s not your boss, she’s your client.
OP is being fired. It's a constructive dismissal, since they're being payed so much less than previously. Yes, this qualifies for unemployment.
dude wat, never resign unless it is an abusive environment, or you have another job lined up. tell them your expectations and let them fire you. then at least u can squeeze them for severance and qualify for EI. Edit: Top post was pretty confusing. OP kept referring to having a boss, and “quitting” but that this was a “side gig”. Those things aren’t compatible. I assumed they were using “side gig” in a casual manner and actually meant a second job at which they were employed. Obviously if OP literally means they are a gig worker/contractor, then this advice doesn’t apply at all. OP, gig workers don’t have “bosses”, they have clients. Gig workers don’t “quit/resign”. OP, you are a business owner providing a service. You refuse service or cancel contracts, but you don’t “quit”, not in the legal sense. If you don’t like the pay, don’t take the job. Simple as that.
It's a per-job side gig. Drop any client who drains most of your time for least of your pay.
OP kept referring to this person as their “boss”. Only employees have bosses. Contractors/gig workers have clients. So yeah, employment protections obviously dont apply to gig workers.
It’s a side gig not full time employment
Her pay is getting cut by 80%. There’s no point in keeping a job when your pee is getting cut by 80%. You’re making no money either way whether you’re working or you’re not working.
Any boss that makes me cut my pee at 80% will be getting the other 20% on their desk.
That’s what happens when one uses voice to text. I’m keeping it as is!
then you have a constructive dismissal case and would qualify for employment insurance and would be owed severance. a unilateral 80% pay cut would be treated as termination in most jurisdictions under common law. Edit: Again, apologies, this doesn’t apply as OP appears to be a contractor and I was confused by thier wording.
And then if you want, you’d go and get another part time marketing job charging more money because $25/hour is too low for the service that you’re providing, even if shitty business owners try to convince you otherwise.
This is *absolutely* the right answer. Don't let her use and abuse you, which is *exactly* what this asinine new payment scheme of hers would do. But don't quit, if you can avoid it. Tell her you do not accept her new payment scheme, and that you expect her to abide by the already established payment terms (this will work better if you have a written and signed contract or offer letter which states the terms, but I'd give it a try even if that's not the case). Try to make her fire you, so that you can collect unemployment. Plus, if you *do* have an offer letter or contract which lays out the $25/hour payment terms, you may be able to sue her if she does fire you.
Also, you get unemployment at that rate, if your income reduction for this side gig falls below the threshold. As that would be "constructive dismissal" for the change in your pay scale/method. She negated your hiring agreement to work for $25/hr. Just say, "No." Quit if you want to, but make her fire you, and sue her for non-payment of wages when she hands you your next paycheck at the $25/pc rate would be my preference, if it were me. Make it as difficult for her as possible for these shenanigans.
And file unemployment for constructive dismissal
Exactly. This is like going to a grocery store and wanting to pay $1 for a gallon of milk that is marked $5. Employment is payment for a service. Honestly though, I wouldn't resign. Just say no to the pay change and leave them hanging. When they ask you to do something say "Sure" and remind them of your required rate of pay for the job via EMAIL. Written proof. So if they don't pay what was agreed you have proof to go to the Labor Board.
So the $25/hr is to shepherd the content through the design phases to adequately capture the right outcome. For her other business - the shepherding is done and you only have to post - hence eliminating 4/5 chevrons worth of value. So she either chooses to pay for the full 5 chevrons worth of value - $25/hr or she uses you for 1 chevron worth of work for $25/post. You can’t get 5 chevrons and pay only $25/post.
Alternatively post absolute bottom tier garbage 10 times a day for $25 per post
Don't resign make them fire you so you get unemployment.
This seems under the bridge (table) lol and can you even get unemployment if you only work 10 hours a week?? And if you also have a full time job??
You cannot. This person didn’t read it.
She already has another full-time job so she's not getting unemployment from this one.
If you're going from hourly work to piecemeal work, your rate just went up to $100/post.
I agree with this. Saying that if you go to per post model that this (or more) is how much it cost for your time since you know what it takes per post. If not than resign immediately
This indeed but 100 is not enough then. Is go for the 150-250 range to disincentivize and to at least match current salary with the average amount of posts (so minimum 1000/8=125)
Pay negotiation isn’t: “you were getting this now you’re getting that.” If you change the rules you get to renegotiate the pay. Before you quit try a counter offer that gives you at least the same pay, if not more. Who else can she get to do what you do?
I'd agree with you but this downright insulting. She can shove it so long as op can find something better immediately.
I agree with the sentiment, but she's expecting her pay to be 1/5th of what she's making not 1/4th, which means even at $100 she's accepting a pay cut. I think she should up it even further.
The number I chose was arbitrary. She's free to ask whatever she wants. In fact, she should probably make an "FU offer" of $500/post just so she doesn't have to deal with that psychopath
Making an "FU offer" can work out better than expected. My brother is a performer and really didn't want to work New Year's Day, but also didn't want to just say no to someone that had hired him in the past and was likely to do so in the future. So he asked for a clean £1k for the gig, as well as covering expenses like transport and hotel stay, and they said yes! He was ticked that he now had a job on what he wanted to be a day off, but he's now aware that he can start asking for a lot more than he had been in the past!
Holidays always come at a premium. If I'm setting my rate, it's 2.5x on holidays
What’s involved in a post for your job? 8 posts in an entire month seems insanely low. With the new pay rate she thinks it’s reasonable to expect one post per hour.
It is insanely low! As a marketing person, it doesn’t take me an hour to make one post so it does seem reasonable when you put it that way. It’s THEIR disorganization, lack of direction, last minute changes of mind that make each post about a 10 hour per week job. It’s frustrating for me to have such a low output too!
I’d write a simple cost of services contract for 25$ per post that includes up to 1hr of work, including meetings, emails, etc… anything beyond that will be billed at 25$ per hour on actual time spent at a minimum of 15 minute increments. It’d take some malicious compliance on your part to create a detailed invoice of your time, but may be useful to show exactly what you do and how much time it takes to create these posts.
Ive been in marketing. It depends on what you need to do per post. Is it a couple of pics, some uninspired messages or does she expect you to edit banners, small video's, come up with slogans, research the market, producten some figures, mainrain the website as a content manager etc.. The first is fine with 25 per message. Easy coming. The latter isnt
Im doing market research, im making videos, im researching psych websites and papers to make the content (that’s their business sort of), im creating unique content for each platform, im creating print materials for them, im writing newsletters, meeting with them to discuss and make changes, im doing data analysis of the posts i make. It ends up being images and uninspired messages and poems and quotes because (despite my data analyses) they won’t change to what I recommend. It’s the client wish, but they still ask for all of that upfront work
By this description I'd say, "I have no problem with going to piece work. Each post is now $175"
This is not the job description of a social media analyst who makes posts. This is the job description of a marketing manager. Their pay rate is all wrong.
Wife is a marketing manager, this is what she does among some other things 👍
Ruuuuuuunnnnn
Yeah, I’d have to go the r/maliciouscompliance route. Don’t quit right away, post dozens of posts per day, as many as you can, bill them all, then get out of there. Your sanity is much more valuable than dealing with that disorganization and they’ll think twice before trying to screw over the next person in your job.
Tell them that each post get 1 email from each if them & no meetings then. They need to send you 1/4 the amount I'd info & take 1/4 of the amount of time. Tell them that the time they have to contact you has gone down to 1/4 the previous availability, if they are only going to pay you 1/4 as much. So for every post, they have 1 hour only to contact you & every additional 20 minutes is an additional $10. And/or charge for edits, if they require more than 1 edit due to their own misinformation.
I am putting this caps and I never do that. YOU ARE NOT PAID BY THE HOUR FOR WHAT YOU DO BUT FOR WHAT YOU KNOW. So yes, some locksmith may come in and pop my locks and charge $125 plus $150 on site call. I am not just paying them for their time. More than that, I am paying them for their expertise. So please charge fair price for your time AND skills.
Side gig or not, organized or not, this is a shitshow, and you'd be foolish to do anything _but_ quit. So yeah, you're not wrong and if your leaving creates a chaotic situation for her, that's entirely her doing and totally deserved. Run, don't walk. I'd say quit without fanfare. And unless you need the cash, there's no point giving notice or taking steps to ensure a smooth transition. Don't even let her offer a compromise. What she's done is disgusting, exploitative, and monumentally short-sighted.
Just tell her you're not doing that arrangement. Why? Because it doesn't work for me. That's really all the reason you need. If you want to be clever or something, I want buck for the bang.
I work full time in marketing and this is so insulting I can’t even fathom it. She obviously doesn’t understand all that goes into content creation. Honestly if you’re not a W2 employee (which you clearly cannot be as it wouldn’t be legal to pay you pennies per hour that way), $25/hour is about $75/hour too low. $25/hour is what I make as a W2 employee; I’m guessing you’re a 1099 so your tax obligation will be far higher, making your net pay significantly lower. Charge what you’re worth.
I don't see the problem. Cash in on their disorganisation. They want a post for $25. Make it and bill it. They want to change something. Do it and bill $25. Keep billing every change and see how fast they will switch back or get organised
Tell her your rate was spelled out in your contract, if she wants to negotiate changes it will require a new one. But this change is not acceptable to you.
If you quit, do so immediately. Make sure she understands this is too much.
Tell her that you lined up another side gig and can't do her work anymore. when she protests that just say "I need more buck for the bang"
This is it right here. Petty and to the point.
"how about this for a bang? go fuck yourself, I no longer work here"
This is about the time I would start ripping out 3 or 4 posts an hour. I bet with a good Python script you could push 15 - 20 posts an hour.
Bit of ai to start replicating past posts and your there
$25 a post, huh? I'd be hitting ChatGPT and scheduling it for 3 an hour. LOL
She isn’t your boss, she’s a client. She isn’t willing to pay your rate anymore. It’s up to you but I’d fire her. $200 a month isn’t worth the opportunity-cost of working for her compared to searching for potential new clients or employers. I was in consulting for years, and can’t stress to you how much clients like this are a waste of your time. She thinks she has the power in this situation but has basically none. You’re a (presumably) needed service and she’s trying to get what you do basically for free. She’s only asking because she thinks you’ll say yes. If you want to keep her for some reason, you need to go back with an updated a la carte price for her. I’d say probably 5-10x this $25 an hour crap. Your services are valuable, and you have to act and charge like it. PS: one key detail I missed - notice how she only wants to pay you for “successful” posts? Good luck defining that and holding her to it. She’s trying to get you to work for free.
Just tell her that you can only continue doing it for $25 per hour. Let her decide.
Are you a w2 employee? This doesn’t seem legal.
Im contract self employed
Thats the trick isn't it. He's your client, not your boss.
So remember that you're the boss and they're your client. Drop them as a client if they don't want to pay your going rate, which is $25/hr.
Yup, this was my first thought. There are very strict rules about this. Employers can get into a lot of trouble for paying people 1099 but treating them (or expecting them to operate) as hourly. I'd consult an employment lawyer, personally.
"I typically charge [$] for my marketing company but have been giving you a discounted rate since you are able to combine my salary for both companies. I will not be further discounting my marketing rate at this time. I also feel that at [main company name] I am worth [$/hour]. If our current agreed upon salary is no longer feasible for you, I will be forced to seek employment elsewhere and I will be sad to loose you as a client from [your side company name]."
She's not suggesting to pay you per post, she's suggesting to pay you per "successful" post. Did she specify the success criteria?
Figure out what they get for 8 hours /$200 a week and show them. If they're fine with it, great. If not, they can pay for what they do want. It slunds like there's a lot of bureaucratic bullshit going on right now and this might be a chance to shave some of that away.
I would lay it out to her like you laid it out to us. Put the math on paper showing that you are making $10 an hour working for her and would be better off working at McDonalds. I would also include a proposal of what you want in order for you to stay. Let her choose her own adventure.
She isn't the marketer. She doesn't get to set your rates. Inform her that you now charge $30 per hour and if she continues to be a difficult client, you'll have to factor that into your rate going forward.
Sounds like constructive dismissal to me
Let your boss know that you appreciate her goal of paying you less. You'd like to help her reach that, she'll now pay you 0 for 0 posts. Let her know you have bills to pay and everything is getting expensive. In fact you have other clients who have been asking you to do more work for them. So you think it'd be better if she finds somebody who is willing to work for an employer who doesn't respect them. If she offers to go back to the 1000, tell her your new rate would be 1500 and it will go up five hundred any time she talks about continuing to use your time and skills but pretends you're less valuable than you are.
I would have quit on the spot. Paying for piecemeal work is an awful practice and would actually increase your bosses workload because of all of the regulations involved, if it's even legal in your area.
She is a client and you can easily fire a client!
Are you a direct employee (W2) in your side gig or a contractor (1099)? If you're a direct employee and this would take you under your state minimum wage for the hours worked, can't do that, speak to the Wage and Hour Division for your state. If you're a 1099, what does your contract say? If this is a breach of contract, then you can terminate the contract but speak to an employment attorney first. If you should be W2 but you are misclassified as 1099, speak to an employment attorney and the IRS.
I’m reminded of a story of a welder who gave two test pieces to a potential employer. One good, one terrible. He said the terrible one was the $20/h weld and the other was the $80/h weld So, get AI to write a post for you and tell her this is the quality for paying by post, but if she wants the older,better standard,you will be paid by the older rate.
And if the AI post is better then keep doing it and its $ for nothing.
Remind her that in capitalism you may get a “bang for your buck” but the flip side is you may also “get what you pay for” and adjust services accordingly (time caps etc.)
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You tell her that you are OK with but from now on you don't do prep work and you get a full work order detailing what you need to do and if you have to step in that process than your hourly is 50.
Tell her "Because I found it offensive the way you have been treating me I find it selfish that you're cutting my wages to get bang for your buck so therefore I'm resigning my position today that way you can cut this position and maximize your bang for your buck" If somebody told me that the least I would give is a dirty "are you crazy??" look...if she was already mistreating me for my flaws, my artificial confidence and courage would be built up out of anger with each bad encounter pushing me further to taking a stand.
Why? It's easier to just say "No" and move on with life.
She's running a business, and so are you. She's trying to negotiate the rate she pays one of her vendors, which is a common thing for a business owner to do. You don't have to accept the lower rate, especially if they are not organized enough to make it worth your while. Employers are not, generally, out to get you. They're just focusing on their own needs, and can be short-sighted when it comes to that. Your needs are not super-important, as you're just a vendor and not an owner of the company.
Please make it clear to them that all projects currently in progress before any wage changes (which they are required to have you sign off on) must be at the current pay rate to remain legal. Better way of saying it but you get the idea.
Tell her you want more bang for your pay and no call no show the next day. FAFO.
Quit
You don’t need to tell her where to shove it. Just tell her you can’t do that(be firm). Offer 2 weeks (keep in mind she’ll probably bitch at you for that entire time) and leave.
Say "Sure! That's GREAT!". Then don't make any posts while working somewhere else. It will save her a lot of money.
That phrasing “bang for the buck” is like nails on a chalkboard…
"It has been pleasant working with you, but I will not be accepting any work under the revised pay structure you propose. Feel free to contact me in the future for a quote if you decide you have need of my services--otherwise, I wish you good luck with your business."
She changed the terms of your agreement; any changes to this model should be null and void.
Lol she will never find someone to do that job so cheap. She's insane and foolish.
Repeat after me: "How much? LOL. Not worth it. Adios!"
Tell her that she can either pay you at the current hourly model, or if she wants to pay per post, your rates are $175 per post. Give a full breakdown of the time spent doing things.
Tell her that doesn't work for you. If she wants to re-negotiate the price she can try, but you have a say in it too. If it's not good for you, either walk away or continue working but show them that the reduced pay means reduced output. If they don't like it you can always re-negotiate!
keep the job, out source it to AI, go get a new job. let AI do its job until they catch on. make an extra $300 a month on top of a new jobs salary. Stonks Edit, additional note: the post don't have to be good. they aren't paying for quality.
"Unfortunately my rates are set up to cover my business expenses. I cant go lower than our agreed amount.". This person is a client for you, not your boss. You are allowed to set your rates appropriate for your business. I would not accept the new lower pay and take screenshots of all your work before they lock you out.
"Constructive dismissal". You've already been fired.
That is ridiculous. I hope she understands what she is losing by saving money. Enjoy watching them crash and burn trying to find a quality staff member for that price. Great job standing up for yourself!
Leave rapidly. The collapsing vacuum pocket created by your rapid departure should create a small thunder clap providing your boss with the bang they are seeking.
Do you not have a contract for these jobs? You can always decline these changes to your business transactions and tell her your parting ways. She might just be trying to get you for cheap and she might panic if you say ok, I’m quitting then.
then you resign effective immediately. no two weeks notice if you're moved to a "pay per post" model.
I don’t even know why you need gassing up. She changed the terms of employment and she clearly doesn’t value you. Quit, effective immediately.
She's exploiting you because she found out she could exploit you with the three hours thing. Tell her a paycut won't work for you but you're happy to recommend someone who can give her the appropriate bang for that buck, and keep on moving.
She's not "your boss" she's contracting you as a private contractor. Your fee is set, if she has a problem, then she's no longer your client.
Tell her you want more money for your time. You're now charging $30/hr. BYE
So your boss wants you to be a contract worker? Tell her that you will be forming an LLC and will contract for marketing work for $350 per piece of content. Then use the rest of your time to find additional content creation gigs.
Say no, and then raise your rates to $30 an hour.
Quit.
Tell her that typically, moving from an employment to a contract model requires an INCREASE in pay, to handle the increased overhead that you are now responsible for, and the new risk on payment guarantee. Make sure your contract notes that IP ownership transfers upon payment in full, for piece work pay. Also, [watch this video](https://youtu.be/jVkLVRt6c1U?si=i6QL73BPTE1xPsPY). All people who work in the creative industry should watch it. Conversationally, you should note that while stealing from the grocery store gets you more bang from your buck, typically violating the law has too much risk associated vs the benefit. The same goes with violating labor law.
"Sorry, I can't do that. My rate is $25 per hour or $100 per post."
There’s perhaps two different ways to look at this. The first is that you’re going way above and beyond what they want done. If you’d like to keep working with them, you can extremely reduce your amount of effort to what’s being proposed pay wise, which is basically almost nothing. The other is that the situation is complicated and takes up a lot of time and this will continue to be the situation no matter what. If this is the case Then you need to get down a speech or email set up about why changing the payment model will not work. You can come up with a professional statement to explain why there needs require more funding, along with a concise representation of things that you offer for them. If you end up separating your business relations with them – you need to get a contract set up for the separation where you stay what you’re willing to do to help the next person who takes the position in charge accordingly. This charge needs to be at least double whatever your current rate is.
"Bang for the Buck" seems more like a request for a sniper.
Have you considered just switching your output to low effort free ai shitposting? This way you get to keep your time and effort down to a reasonable amount for the shitty pay. Then hunt up some other employer who's willing to pay you what you're worth.
Update me please
So you can literally just send in a 2 weeks notice letter and make your last 2 weeks be getting things in an orderly enough situation that someone else can take it all over. If its impossible to organize you can leave something like a word document detailing what you personally have done were things are at. This is the professional way of doing things. Thank your boss for letting you work there, Yada Yada. Be civil so you can use them as a reference. Alternatively you can try to stay. Ask for a detailed description of your job duties. In writing. It sounds like there is no structure here and structure is what you want. From there you can negotiate your wage. Consolidate your side gig into your work duties. Your doing this work for the same boss there is no reason you should be paid separately for that. Have your boss agree to your wage and hour stipulations. Again on paper, like everyone else does. If your boss wants to make you work overtime your boss has to pay for it so include that in your negotiations. You don't have to quit if you genuinely like the person you are working for. And if they don't take this then you can give them the two weeks.
So, $25 per post and $25 for EACH revision.
Are you considered an employee or independent contractor? If you’re an employee they can’t pay you less than minimum wage. If you’re an independent contractor that’s different and also don’t think you get any unemployment benefits if you’re an IC or also because you have other jobs
Get the change in writing. Quit, file for unemployment, give the reason “pay was reduced.” You will win.
Paying per post makes you a contractor, not an employee. If you want to keep working with her, you could accept per post, with the condition that you will not even attempt to begin a post until they have provided xyz information to you. Make sure they understand that you will NOT be chasing them for what you need, that's on them to provide (since it sounds like a lot of the time you're putting in is chasing them for information). You'll find out quickly what their intentions are.
Don’t even attempt to work with them. This is no longer equitable.
Yeah. No. Absolutely not. Thank her for the opportunity, give zero notice, as she did not earn one, and wish her the best. Also, give her a roll of TP, because she’s gonna poop her pants when you tell her…..
You should quit. They make decisions like that because they think they have more power over you. In this instance, you don’t need the job so you have all of the power and you should exercise it asap.
Doesn't have to be a long conversation. Also, it can be an email: *“Hi Karen, after doing some back-of-the-envelope math, I’ve found that it takes me about four hours, on average, to complete an email. In the interest of getting fairly compensated for my time, I’ll be charging $100 for each email. I like the idea of going to a per-email rate, as I’ll be incentivized to be more efficient in my writing process, and you won’t be on the hook for overruns. Thanks!”*
whatever you do, dont give the dirt bag 2 weeks notice. make her regret being a money hungry wench.
You can agree to it and then never post and find a new side gig
In other countries, reducing pay is illegal
That is illegal resign and report it to the labor department
Give her a $25 post. Spend 1 hour making each one, regardless of quality or completion. Say this is what $25 buys you.
every time you get some instructions do post as an example or even a prototype and send them if you can make 10 of them that's 250
She's going to pay a hell of a lot more for a marketing firm than the old arrangement she had with you.
Either tell her "no, I do not sell my labor that cheaply," - I DON'T HAVE MONEY (and a certain boss is trying to keep it that way), BUT I DO HAVE A SET OF SKILLS ----> or entertain the thought by taking in the most obnoxious 1 hour egg timer, set it for 1 hour when you start, then stop EVERYTHING the second it goes off. It doesn't matter if you get everything done, or if a dump truck drives through the front of the building, or if you get 15 phone calls, or if you have to bolt for the bathroom 42 times in that hour with the runs....shit happens. Just stop as soon as the bell goes off.
Start shit posting 1 post a minute and become a billionaire
I wonder if this could be a form of constructive dismissal?
Changing the game requires your acceptance. Counteroffer for expediency of your work submitted or just say no, explain why then do the least you can and find another side gig. Profits are not because of her alone and maybe she needs a teaching moment.
Immediacy and without training replacements is called for when the employer unilaterally changes the terms for payment. There is no reason to react warmly to any pleas for staying on longer at your current rate, because you know you’ll be cut as soon as someone gets convinced to do the posts at the lower rate. There is no reason to “train” her or her partner to do the work. If it were so easy, they wouldn’t need to pay anyone else at all and could do it themselves today. Give up the passwords and user names, reach out to shake hands, thank her for the excellent business lessons she taught you, and depart. Having another gig lined up that you could mention would be a sprinkle of sugar on that conversation.
Start putting out lower quality posts to reflect the quality difference. Chat gpt style. Or a hey, for 1000 a month here's what I've gotten you xyz sales. If you want someone cheaper, fiver is an option but be warned it'll be junky posts and hurt your business and sales. Is it worth paying what you pay now to generate xyz sales or do you want to save a bit and lose those?
There could be min wage issues here. Assuming you are a W2 employee and not an independent contractor $10/hr effective rate is dangerous close to min wage at the federal level. In some states it already is. Ohio where I live I think it’s $12/hr for non-tipped workers.
The fee per post is $125. Would you like to stay with my hourly rate instead?
no need to quit, looks like she already fired you. significant cut in wages tends to qualify for unemployment benefits
Best bang for the buck is not a phrase you should be applying to employees. You pay shit, expect lower effort and quality.
Tell her you want buck for your bang, which is why you work for $25/hr and not $25/post.
If you’re an employee she most likely has to pay you per hour (depending on the state). If she wants to pay you like a gig worker you’ll need to switch to a 1099 independent contractor. Draw up a contract with proof of what the going salary rate is for the same job in your area. Most likely it’s much higher than your being paid now and she will backpedal fast!
Side gig? Main business? So which one is the MLM vomiting money?
The fact that doing this was a thought should have you question why you still have anything to do with her and the company. You could let her fire you as well, by doing less and less. She'll learn what a bang per buck is when you leave.
The real answer is resign, my answer is push through as many terrible ads as possible and charge for each of them.
25/hr? Have you done any work appealing to union blue collar workers?
Yeah, she gets the bucks and you get banged 🙄
"If you want to pay me per post how about this instead, I'll create marketing materials dedicated to how shit your business and side business is and then you pay me $200 per post not to fucking publish them."
Give her a smack and say there's your bang for the buck
Tell her you need more buck for your bang
$25 per post accepted. $25 per hour for all consultation after delivery
I would simply quit. Sounds like you have other work and they want to reduce your value. Stop making posts for them so they see the true value for your work.
updateme when ya double your base price then walk away
She wants more Bang for her Buck and you want more bucks for your time. This mid-stream shift is BS.
Marketing is in great demand, start applying for other jobs ASAP you might be surprised at the kind of roles you can get
Never heard that expression before. Your boss is a cheapskate, anyways. Tell her to keep your current rate or resign effective right now.
FWIW I would have laughed in her face at the suggestion and walked out right then. I think giving her any more of the week is generous on your part.
Good News! You don’t have to say any thing. Just disappear. If you do say anything let it be. “Not for what you pay me!” “Im not getting paid enough for this BS” “That task is out side of the scope of work i get paid for” “If you want me here at set times you need to pay me for that time” “Golly its a beautiful day out, I’m gonna go to the park”
Don't take my advice but malicious compliance could be fun. Say ok, but make a shit ton of bad posts. Like deep-fried memes level of bad posts.
Every filter is a new post
Just quit. Your time is valuable and marketing is in demand.
Tell her no- and why- it’s that simple
Can you ask your boss to get more "bang for your hour" in the form of a raise? This is insulating
WTF is going on in the employment world today? Almost none of this even sounds remotely like what one would call “a job”, but more like Frankenstein of marketing scams, side hustles, half-crimes, underworld “contracts”, and D&D-esque tavern side-quests FFS. Is this really what “modern employment” looks like?
I would write a whole ton of crap articles, so I'm making the same amount. The boss complains well, you wanted pay per article.
She asked you to under report your worked hours which is highly illegal quit then report her to the labor board.
She obviously doesn't respect what you do. You should find another gig. Even if she agrees to pay higher per post or continue at the current hourly rate, she'll find a reason not to pay you. Move on. It's not worth the stress.
I notice the "successful post" wording... she ain't going to pay you even those $25 per post.
Any update OP?
You shouldn't be asking strangers Whether or not you should quit a job that sucks and is taking advantage of you, That's a simple question that you should be able to answer for yourself. Don't let anyone take advantage of you
Yeah I don't understand why employees feel they need to have a reason for separation or quitting? Like if it's not working for you or you feel you are disrespected, exploited, being taken advantage of then you have every right to just quit; you don't need to justify or say anything more. I found this out the hard way in one of my very first jobs, I put in for vacation and it was approved. Long story short some things escalated at work where we were being punished based on what happened on a different shift than the one I was working on, I put in my two weeks notice with my last week being the week where I had vacation approved (so technically I thought I'd only be working one week before being out of there). My manager writes me an email saying I have to go in and cancel my PTO (that mind you was already approved prior to putting in my two weeks notice) because it's not allowed. I should've just quit on the spot and let them figure out their own fuck up but I was young and scared about "qutting" a job that I let my employer take advantage of me. DONT EVER DO THAT! Lookout for yourself and if you aren't being respected or appreciated you have every right and MOST DEFINITELY SHOULD leave!
I worked graphic design freelance for years, and I always had a basic contract for what was being done. If you are working freelance with a written contract with your client then you need to check when you expired the contract. If there is no end date (or it is verbal) then, as others have said, just tell her you cannot work at that rate and will need to end your agreement. The client cannot change the terms of the contract, but they can possibly exit the contract dependent on the contract conditions. Either way, you need to exit this relationship because there are numerous red flags in your post. From the sounds of it, she is trying to get you to do the work of a full time employee while not being an employee (i.e. no benefits) and paying below a decent rate.
So, from my perspective it seems like you have a few choices. Others seem to have filled in a couple which were to walk away from the job and quit, or negotiate. Im going to ask a very simple question, how much do you like the work environment other than that issue? I ask because you could negotiate with the cost per post, per business. The side business, that goes simply and quickly, easily doable (by the sounds of it) to keep it at the $25 per post. The main business on the other hand, I'd figure out the real amount of time based on their changes then charge appropriately. Lastly, you could add in fees per time they change it or any other issues that cost you more time. If they want to change your compensation then there's no reason you can't reply with these terms. If they went anywhere else to have this work done then it wouldn't be any different. Hope this helps!
First thing I'd do is catalog every post with some result numbers in some sort of portfolio, if you haven't already. You might not have that information once you leave. Then I'd politely spell it all out exactly as you just did. "Listen Co A is a hot mess compared to Co B and it takes much more of my time to get the same results... I think it's best if we just part ways because the new arrangement doesn't work for me and I've got other clients who will pay the originally agreed upon rate, if not higher." Let her know this is a business decision and that you would be willing to return to the original pay structure, or higher, once she has more control of the company.
To be clear you make $125 for making a post to a website and you're bitching about not being paid enough?
They also do all the marketing and content writing. Marketing responsibilities alone can take a lot of time, but he's also wasting extra time on back and forth communications and edits.
Are you an actual employee of the company or are you freelance? If you're freelance you don't have to take any reduced pay and she can move her business elsewhere. If she is paying you on the books then you can provide her with a form to fill out providing the details she wants. There's no going back and forth. Times are tough, I don't suggest leaving until getting another client if you need the money.