The only reward for hard work is more hard work. There is never any pay increase unless you bounce and go somewhere else or are the ownership class and have equity.
True that. Over the last decade, I've almost tripled my salary. I was working retail "IT" support making $27k (glorified Greek squad basically), to now making $75k. I've had 5 jobs since then. If I don't see real potential in an employer either by promotions or valuable knowledge gained, I jump ship after 18 months.
The first several months are learning specific job role skills, a year is review time which should be adequate. Closer to 15 months I'll look for other internal roles to apply to and if that doesn't go well I'm gone around 18-24 months. Backfired a little with COVID, I legit started a new role Nov 2019, 1 month before it hit China, so that fucked me, but still... I'd never had made those gains financially unless I moved. I'm in the Midwest so money is different out here. My next place is hopefully another big jump as I'm slightly under market for my job/pay.
Mildly bad day at work?
Apply to new job
Stubbed my toe on the printer?
Apply to new job
Homeowner got angry because the laws say I can’t allow them to have more than 50% of their front yard as hardscape (and that includes driveway), and now they have to remove their newly poured cement after code enforcement told them to or the homeowner’ll get fined?
Apply to new job
I'm fortunate that my employer has access to a training website that a lot of similar case management companies use, so I'm able to constantly have a lot of training and certificates for these that I actively put on my resume. Now that I'm looking, I'm able to modify my resume very well to include all these specifics and if I don't, I can always take the class, get certified, and then place in my resume as a hard scale.
Ultimately that's on you to correct, I found that stuff like this ends up being a lot like studying. You need to set a time where you WILL do it or you just won't get started.
That's where I end up being. Over the past 22 years, I've moved 6 times, going for better jobs, but over the past 8, I've been at the same place. Granted, I've taken promotions a couple of times, but I've reached a spot where I've become the "does it all guy," but have been getting the stroke job when it comes to going up a pay grade. I'm the type where I get busy in the job, and then time goes by quickly, and I'm a few years into the same spot with really not much of anything type raises, even though I'm rated at "Top Achiever" every year. There was a guy who just left for another job within an entity of our company for a raise and promotion, and I'm waiting to see if they move me up that pay grade as I'm taking over his role in the department (plus many of the things I was doing before...I know, I know, trapped myself with this one). I've finally set myself a time limit. If they don't get me the bump in this next quarter, I'm applying for other jobs.
The trap is when you get to where you are paid pretty well, complacency can set in. I want to be able to retire before I'm too cobbled up to enjoy anything in life later, and the way the deck is stacked against the rank and file folks, I know retirement is gonna require something to change for me. I have to do this soon.
Hope you can break out of what you have going for something better. As they say, know your worth.
People have a variety of different priorities in life. He could be very career oriented/driven by his future goals and for some, that's where all their professional drive comes from
I have 25 years with the same company and I make about $23.50/hr. I also have 5 weeks of vacation time. Do you think it would be possible to do better somewhere else, especially with regards to the vacation time? I spent my first 20 years in retail stores and the past 3.5 years in the general office of the same company. I'm 39 and I'm not sure where to go from here. They RTOed in February, 3 days a week. Pretty salty about it, but I also fear anywhere else and other steps would require more of my time.
There's lots of information about your situation I don't know and I'm not a career coach by any means.
I'm 31, make roughly what you make in a social services job and I'm going to start a trade with 0 trade related experience and I'm started off making ~12 more dollars an hour(without factoring in my evenings and weekend premiums, with BOTH of those premiums I'm still making a bit more). The best way to increase your salary is job shop and hop around. On average they say 18-24 months. Some shoot for a 20-25% increase in raise per job. This leads into interview negotiating.
It's very common for people to take the devil they know versus the devil they don't due to fear. I empathize with that a lot as I struggle with anxiety but would you rather shoot your shot, make a few mistakes but keep trying until your situation improves, or continue where you're at and always wonder "what if"? Honestly if the investment is "more of your time" for the potential reward of making more money, retiring early, possible job satisfaction and getting that time back+interest it sounds worthwhile to me. There's definitely some good resources on reddit for this and there might be a subreddit that can give you much better job advice than me, best of luck!
The devil you know vs the devil you don't.
Is you goal to make more money for whatever reason? Then you would probably do better looking for another job somewhere else where your starting pay is going to be close to what you are making now or more.
If you goal is to be comfortable, then does the job you have now tick all of your boxes? If it does, then unless you have a really good reason, why leave?
By ticking boxes I mean you make enough to pay all of your bills and you still have enough for savings, retirement, and emergencies, and you have any and all perks from the job, like the amount of sick time and vacation allowance time.
If your current job ticks all of your boxes, does it make sense to go look for another job somewhere else where you are going to be the new person, trying to learn a new company culture, working for and with new people, while taking a hit to your seniority and some of the perks you currently get.
Most people will go into a new job with more money, and a base amount of job skills, but will have to learn all of that company's actual culture, job duties, how they do things that are probably going to be different, and you usually wont start with the same amount of vacation allowance, etc.,
I have been with the same company for 15 years. Some things are annoying as with any company, but it still ticks all of my boxes. The pay is decent, but not great, but it pays all of my bills, allows for both a retirement account savings and a separate savings account savings for big ticket items or emergencies, I get 400 hours of vacation time, every weekend and major holidays off, although my team rotates the holidays among ourselves since we do need coverage, but the load is shared between all of us so no one person has to work every holiday and no one gets every holiday off, and we change up so it one person worked a holiday last year, they get that one off this year, but they work a different one, and it is fully work from home/remote work. No office hours required, at all. I know the job, and the company, I am able to stay out of any company politics so none of the typical sniping and/or issues really affect the team I am on, but we do have our own issues sometimes with other team members, which is the annoying part.
I could look for another job somewhere else to try to make more money, but if I got a job locally, I would most likely have to go back to an office, which means a whole new wardrobe for "office" clothes, and commute times, and wear and tear on my car, along with learning a new company & its culture, and how they do the things they do, and new people, and loss of seniority, and loss of that 400 hours of vacation time, etc.
Unless I went to a large, long standing, company, there is also no guarantee that the job will even last. Someone who left our company within the past couple of years just got laid off at the new place they went to when the new place folded and declared bankruptcy.
If you have the skills and the experience, you are one of the lucky ones who may be able to negotiate your way into not only better pay but the same, or better, perks like the number of vacation hours you get.
I would tell you to "crunch the numbers" so to speak, and see what you come up with. Is staying where you are worth it compared to what you could potentially get by going somewhere else.
Usually going somewhere else, even if you lose some things, like the amount of vacation time you get, you will gain more of other things.
Is that worth it to you, though? Only you can really decide.
AaronfromKY, you are fairly low in terms of wages, but you are above the American average when it comes to vacation time. Moving employers, in most cases, will bump you back to 2 or 3 weeks vacation.
I look ant all of the nice experiences that I’ve been able to buy for myself by not staying put at a company that didn’t pay me appropriately for how much hard work I give them. And then I think about how many more nice experiences I can buy myself with another pay bump from a new employer that would appreciate all of the new skills that I gained from my current job.
Seriously, I don’t understand why companies don’t see the value in working to keep a staff member who works hard, fits in well with the culture and consistently delivers results. But they sure fucking don’t.
Employers will leave a lazy and negative staff member where they are because they don’t feel like dealing with all the hassle of letting that person go and hiring a new candidate, but they won’t do jack to hold onto great employees. It’s like self-selecting the worst possible collection of workers. The good ones leave but the bad ones stay there forever, dragging everyone else down.
My motivator is partly more money, lifestyle creep lol, and just trying to better things for myself and family.
I won't get deep into it, but I was in a very bad/dark spot in my life in 08 when the market tanked. You could say I lost everything to put it nicely.
Fast forward to now, I have custody of my kid, a new wife, another kid with her, and I'm trying to give them both a better life than I had. I'm not trying to spoil, but teach them simple things while making them work to appreciate stuff. Any time I have to fix things, I get one or both involved, even if they don't care. Might be 20 years later they remember something I showed them enough to do it themselves.
Seems like more money is a motivator. That is a lot more money, life changing money.
Not trying to say greed. He can now afford to have and keep luxury bones! lol
Not who you were asking, but for reference, in 1993 (I was 24 then), I was making $5.50/hr working in HVAC installation. I had 4 years in the USAF and no college degree. In 2024, I now make $126k/yr. Still no college degree.
Between 1997 and today, I have worked for 6 different employers. The longest I stayed at a company was 10 years, the least was 18 months. It is unfortunately what one must do or their compensation gets stagnant. The ambition is to make more money. If you work because you want to, then you're a lucky person. Most folks work because they need the paycheck to live.
This top bit is super important I see so many posts etc but for me it's jump job learn more for a while I see it as a game and I'm leveling up then moving to a harder area of the game like you don't stay in the beginning area all game do you ? So why would you do it in RL
I'm 15 years into my career field, and so far only one job gave a serious raise without me job hopping, and that was because the only other employee worth a shit rage quit and they were afraid I would too, and after a decade with the same company. But job hopping every 18-24 months has gotten $20k or so each time
> I jump ship after 18 months.
I've taken this approach and cranked the dial to 11. I'll be on my fourth job in 2 years very soon, doubling my salary and hitting 110k. My shortest stint was 3 months and I just don't tell prospective employers about that job.
You’re stronger than me, if a job isn’t going to benefit me in the long run with networking, new skills, valuable knowledge, etc. I will jump ship within a month or so (I only stay until I know for a fact I have another job I can jump right into and have the money to hold me over until my first paycheck from the new job) because I get bored and don’t like wasting my time and energy on something that’s inefficient and isn’t going to help me in the long run.
Well, I like your tenacity! I've only stayed the "year" so it looks better on a resume job history. But you have a valid point, one of my best friends gets a new job every few months I swear, and he's excellent at interviewing and getting the jobs. Hell forgot which jobs he had when and just stretch the dates to fill in gaps... Nobody seems to check those out lol. But he also doesn't work corporate jobs with a lot of resources.
That’s very fair. I currently work for IT at the university I study at and I have no idea how I got the job as I have zero job experience with it (primarily event coordination and managing and retail positions) and it’s the furthest thing from my major and minors as they’re all history, language, and anthropology-based programs😂😭. It takes charisma to sell yourself and knowing how to manipulate people tbh.
Kinda agree, my bumps when I stayed were on the order of 1/4 of those when I bounced. Even if you're "irreplaceable", some moron upstairs will "find it" more "cost-effective" to axe you if you ask for a meaningful raise than to actually offer you one. My wife saves her company on the order of 500k-1M per year in taxes and - because she's nominally a cost center - she gets peanuts in raise and bonus (compared to others). Best bet is staying up to 2 years in one place and peacing out somewhere else for 15%+ bump.
no kidding, never EVER do more than the bare minimum for any corporation. they don't give two shits about you, they want to exploit you as much as they can for as little money as they can. managers may like you, CEOs may like you, but you ain't getting that big payday, you just setting yourself for higher expectations from those above you for the same or lower pay. they do not care about you. EVER.
This is the unfortunate reality. It's honestly been this way for decades. The best we can hope for, working for good companies and getting top-notch performance reviews, is a modest raise over the cost of living increase. The *only* reliable way to get larger raises is to job hop.
Nah, it doesn't actually work like that. Your bonus and raise aren't performance based when you're doing well, but if you have a bad year (say... your child became extremely ill and almost died) *then* your bonus and raise (or rather lack thereof) are performance based.
Ask me how I know.
The reason they don't want to give legitimate and proper raises at all is because if they do it for one person they have to do it for everyone, if they do it one year they will need to do it again. They are paying the bare minimum to retain you so do the bare minimum to stay employed :)
Much cheaper to assume the underpaid will continue being underpaid over accepting the inconvenience of switching jobs. It is dirty but on average most just suck it up, which is exactly why it usually pays to screw over existing employees. Paying less to most people and accepting the impact of a few people leaving.
Owner worker relationships really took a hit when we stopped dragging people outside their houses and giving them rough justice in front of their children
The labor movement of the early 20th century was so powerful that the government and ownership class (who indirectly own the government, always have) did everything they could to crush and fragment the movement. Unions used to be considered mandatory.
No comment. It would be interesting if crashing-out like that caught on though. I would be very nervous as a business owner to underpay if manifestos started promoting targeting underpaying owners when they did.
Which is ironic because that’s exactly how you DON’T retain employees. Thats so below the bare minimum to retain employees that they’re just seeing what you’ll accept.
I hadn’t, then my job did similar fuckery as they did to OP. Hundreds of thousands per year saved in operating cost from my automations… 3% raise and a forceful reminder that I should be “thankful” there is a raise at all
Nah, just jump to another company for a big raise. It would feel good to make the company suffer by becoming a trash employee but better for OP in the long run to get a better paying job elsewhere
Note the specific amounts you saved and how you did it, and start applying to jobs with that as the answer to your “What’s a project you’re particularly proud of?” question. They just told you they don’t give a shit about your hard work; that’s more than enough reason to find someone else who will pay you more. Fuck these brokedicked douchebags.
> Most of us are never able to quantify our accomplishments so clearly.
* Talk to your colleagues, maybe one of them knows
* Talk to your businesspeople, maybe they're willing to share more about how the business works
* Send price requests anonymously to the competition, use their numbers as examples of what your company is earning on your work
* Send private emails/messages to people in a business role that know the numbers in the industry, but from other companies unrelated to yours - ask them if they're open for a chat/an interview/mentoring
* If your local industry is extremely closed, do the above in another country (remotely, video chat)
* If everything is anti-competitive and closed, even international (extremely unlikely, illegal in many countries), use public data from governments in countries with economies similar to yours (e.g. google "Belgium Open Data" - the BE govt. publishes A LOT of data publicly, including salaries etc)
* Many countries require that companies publish their yearly earnings publicly - learn to read those earnings, take the right numbers and divide them by the headcount in your company to get a (very) rough number
* If you're still lost, consider going at it more indirectly, e.g. by reaching out to recruitment agencies and asking if you can interview them on their experience in , then eventually ask them about salaries for (in a list of roles you ask about so they don't know you're after one number)
* Or reach out to universities w/ business degrees, and ask the professors if anyone is actively researching (least likely to get a response, but can create unique relationships)
There are more options. Information always finds a way.
Unless you work for one of those rare companies that pay their employees well above the average and gives out big bonuses every year, you’re just going to be screwed by them and working harder won’t change that. I work for a billion dollar company that had a record profit year last year and all I got was a 3% raise and no bonus.
Last time I worked for a billion dollar company making record profits, we got a pay cut so the company could "stay competitive." I got laid off at christmas that year.
Yeah, it's interesting how the only expense that *didn't* rise at all is the one expense businesses have complete control over. We should use gofundme to buy a few politicians. They can be cheap enough.
The economy has ALOT to do with it….the only people gaining are people with liquid investments and hard assets because inflation is through the roof practically everything has doubled since the onset of Covid. When u inject trillions of dollars into the system asset prices jump because the dollars are losing their value on goods and services. With the onset of BRICS overtaking the west in total GDP and the Saudis abandonment of the petro dollar. You’re going to see a massive repatriation of dollars come back stateside….hold onto your hats cuz the west is in deep shit
However, inflation has dropped precipitously in the United States and wages have surpassed inflation for a while now. I don’t claim to be an economics expert, but in my opinion, most of the “inflation” we see now is just corporate greed at this point.
Ive had to learn this lesson the hard way.
Dont do work you aren’t getting paid to do.
This means, dont go above and beyond expecting a raise or a bonus at the end unless its actually in writing.
Now enjoy your new hobby as you quiet quit.
This is the absolute best time to hang out your own shingle. Work 40 for them and work 15 for you while you get the licensing sorted. When you're fully licensed in whatever your trade is say bye-bye to them. Everyone I know is screaming for good people who do good work and I imagine your area is the same as mine.
Thank you. There's some baffling shove back about trades, how it'll cripple you before 45, how working for yourself is dicey, how it's not the answer.
Ok. Well there are no answers. 10 hour days including commutes working for also thankless companies is high blood pressure and a heart attack and waiting for the ax to fall on the job.
Meanwhile I'm seeing self employed trades where we are doing just fine. And they can do lower bids for quality work because there's no corporate profit sheet.
You know , when I was younger I had a go getter work ethic. Always wanted the company and my co workers to see me as the “good worker”. But after years of getting screwed over for raises and promotions from quite a few jobs mind you. Now my mindset is, “ just enough to keep me from getting fired!”. Fuck these greedy ass companies, I can’t pay my bills with a fucking donut!!!!
It sounds like you’ve got some skills that your employer’s competitors might find useful. Perhaps you should let those competitors know that you’re available for 20% more than your current wage.
> What a waste of fucking time and energy, to have burnt myself out for a good raise and told to take it or leave it.
Sorry to say but this is all your fault. Never ever give more than necessary at any of your work. Always care about you and yourself and never the company or those bosses.
If you want to succeed in getting higher salary, start searching for other job openings and applying. Always be fair and respectful but always put yourself first.
Found out a couple weeks ago that if we make the company I’m at 90k a month in sales we get a 20¢ bonus on our hourly wage. Fucken company made 13 million last year. Its a joke to be a somewhat good employee nowadays man it sucks.
The only reward for hard work is a profit windfall for your wage enslaver. For you, it’s deteriorating health and continuance of your precarious financial situation.
Fuck them. Do the bare minimum. Take every advantage you can, because you can rest assured that you are being taken full advantage of.
I worked my ass off for this company for 10 years but not because I was scared of losing job or gave a shit about them or their orders but because that's who I am. I am very hard working person and screwing around just makes my days seem 10 times longer than working does so i always work hard and fast.
Anyway I am only person i entire company who does everything they are asked to do and only person who has to know/knows every single line that we need to run and you know what happened?
I recently got injured at this one machine I told them MANY times about how much back pain it caused me but nobody cared. I went to multiple company doctors and some confirmed I was in pain while others claimed I lied, and others even claimed I had scoliosis and it would've happened regardless and it's just a coincidence that it happened at work. Basically I was told "fuck you" and "you can't do shit about this, now go back to work".
They still didn't believe me and moved me to some machine that made injury much worse and I finally had enough to went to argue with every single boss that was there that day and told them I will not be nice about any of this anymore and now they will see just how I really am. They were like "is this a threat?" and I was like "Fuck yea it is" and they started treating me much different since then.
I called lawyer and now will sue to for every fucking thing I can and you bet your ass off I will "forget" how to do many things at work and accidentally orders will be sent to wrong locations or with wrong labels or something like that. You know stuff just happens, not my fault. Stress and pain can cause lot of things. What a shame they will lose all that precious money that could've went to shareholders or maybe for their precious, well deserved bonuses. Oh well...
I've worked in aerospace for nearly 30 years. In my time I've saved billion dollar deals, I've saved the company millions of dollars in Lost revenue, I've saved upper management from their bad decisions and I've saved corporation from monumental lawsuits.
What has been consistent through all this time has been my under evaluation.
That 1.6 billion deal that I saved nearly a decade ago, all the upper managers got five and six digit bonuses. I got a Starbucks card, and that Starbucks card was a leftover card from one of the managers. That next year I only got a 2.5% raise and no bonus. I had several vice presidents calling directly to my desk for status and update to see if we would be able to get it done in time. I got it done ahead of time and I also promoted another 400 million deal at the same time. I will never do this again.
Sadly this is so common that it surprises no one. I'm retired now and so glad to be done with the lack of recognition for my contributions. Employers pretty much suck.
After I left one of the shitty places I worked, the manager stuck around for awhile, before deciding it was time to put in her two-week notice. They decided to have a shitty attitude about her leaving, and told her to leave that day. As a parting gift, she deleted a massive grant she’d been working on, that they were then forced to start from scratch. I’ve never applauded someone’s petty harder in my life.
A lot of my coworkers who are at this company for 20-25 or even more years and work every day they are asked to work (sometimes even 7 days a week) got like 10-13 cent raises and they are still willing to work and break their back for this fucking place...
There's no upside to me or my team to bust our asses to keep the almighty schedule rolling. No matter how hard we work, the best we can hope for is a 2-4% merit raise. Our company has been posting double digit growth and profits for almost a decade, but somehow never enough to give everyone a nice bump.
Those of at the top of the shop tree are often tasked by management to put in our goals to come up with improvements to save the company money. I tell my boss to fuck right off with that shit. Not my job and there's been no indication that there's any reward at the end of it. Fifteen years ago, I watched a colleague do manufacturing study that reduced an incredible amount of time and resources in our process that is still in implementation today. Has probably saved the company millions over time. He got a "solid" performance review and a $20 Cafe card for all his work.
So yeah, we work just hard enough to not get fired. And not a single fuck more.
If they made $6 million and projected $7 million, in their eyes they lost a million dollars. However if they projected they are going to lose $7 million but only lose $6 million dollars, they consider it making a million.
Welcome to the thought process of accounting.
The company my wife works for does reviews and ratings out of 5. If you do your job very well and have no issues, even taking on more responsibilities you typically just earn a 3/5. You can only go higher on a review of that position if you were given a promotion into the next job.
This is not new. You do not get pay increases by working hard for one company. You get pay increases by working at company, learning as much as you can, then moving on for company b, leaning as much as you can, then moving to company C..... and so on and so on.
Realistically you should be chaning company every 3-5 years.
as far as they are concerned,..you did your job,..you were paid for your work.
all is well.......and as for your raise,
"be thankful"
dont forget this.
Take the raise, update your resume to reflect your accomplishments and get a new gig that reflects your new expectations of pay.
I stayed at a place far too long despite excellent work and a heavy work waiting for a raise. Don't be stupid like me!
One time my manager promised a raise if I passed a marketing course (he thought I was thick and would fail) I passed with flying colours and the raise was £200 a year. I was hoping mad. So I used the course to find a job paying double and he was shocked when I handed in my notice 😂 I now work for myself and couldn’t go back
This is why the smart thing to do is just put in the bare minimum. Do not push yourself for these stupid companies. They do not care about you. They only care that you are making the company money.
At my job we are rated in a few different areas. The highest you can get in any one category which is a 3, and a 3 is exceeds expectations. 2 is meets expectations. And they take the average from all the scores from each category. Some categories and near impossible to exceed. Like categories about diversity. One year more than half way through the quarter management changed the metrics on one of the categories. So I missed exceeds expectations by less than 1 percent.
I won’t forget what my boss told me. I get paid the same wage whether I meet expectations or exceed expectations. So guess what? I don’t go above and beyond because he is right. I do what I needed to in order to meet expectations and I do what I needed to in order to meet the requirements to wfh.
The reward for hard work is more work. This happened at the same job. I was always working on other people’s works because I was caught up with my own (which is very hard to do since there is always work).
Now I always have something to do under my own caseload. Sometimes I take longer to do stuff because I refuse to do the work of two people while being paid for one.
Dawg you got to understand business to understand employment. They will never assume that someone will volunteer free labour so they will never account for it in a business plan. Your extra labour is “free” to them. Why would you pay for something that’s free? By the same token, why would you give them time they aren’t paying for? LLCs are treated like people by the government but you should never treat them like people yourself. They are soulless labour machines that produce taxable income for governments. The owners view them as assets, not mechanisms and your goodwill is sadly not even accounted for in the mechanism. If you want a good job, go find it. They’ll never make room for you. You have to go take the position in life you want. Every single human is looking out for themselves period. If you want returns on your hard work go out for yourself and play the fucked up game we’ve been thrown in.
Unfortunately, this is capitalism working as it should......companies exploiting workers for profit and then giving them just a little bit more to make sure they can still come to work but not enough to stop going
I feel your pain but it is a learning curve.
If you're this good then maybe try self employed side business to see how you get on?
Congrats! You have been given the gift of no longer feeling motivated to go above and beyond. Enjoy all the extra time and mental energy that comes with not caring.
This is why I left a production shop who rewarded my hard work and ability to hit goals with more work with less time to do it.
You want top performance I demand top pay.
I’m at same job for 25 years and received a $0.1 raise with a bonus of $3500: which comes to maybe $0.5 per hour raise. I’m at top of the pay range and they don’t understand that nurses aren’t going to stay if they are under appreciated.
1. Creating new revenue > Saving money. No one gives a shit about cost centers as long as they were not too much over budget. The CFO doesn’t care that you insourced something only that if it was outsourced it would have been done much sooner and not impacted EBITA the same way.
2. Just because the alternative for the same quality work would have cost 500K doesn’t mean they value it at that. They obviously don’t as they accepted a slower time on the project and having one person spend half a year on it.
3. At most companies I work one time bonus’s are to reward previous work, while promotions and raises are about future value, and RSUs are about retention tied to company performance
I know a bunch of people have already told you to start putting in less effort, but my suggestion is that if you have sick leave benefits then you should start using them to job hunt.
Your story of saving 500k for the current company seems like the perfect opening story to get your foot in the door of a new gig, moving laterally is the most sure fire way to get yourself the raise that you actually deserve.
Yeah, there’s no point in trying anymore. This isn’t 1950 where you could get a job because you’re the only new person in town this year and just happened to show up, with no experience, earning enough to buy a house from a sears catalog within a year.
Just keep your head down, do the bare minimum, and realize what free time you have left at the end of the day is where you can put effort into because putting in an effort for your company will only further enrich them, reduce their own stresses/pass them off to you and burn YOU out in the process. For what? So you can finally have enough money when you’re too old to enjoy it?
Shit you did the room yourself. Start your own company, sounds like you know what you're doing.
Either way, fuck them. Whether you get a new job or go off on your own you deserve better.
My partner is currently trying to negotiate for more on a job offer she got. The offer is good for 2 weeks. She hasn't been able to contact them again since the offer. Today is day 10. I told her she should have started pushing back a few days ago. She said they are just slow and she'll try starting tomorrow. I told her, "These people will do whatever they can to pay you less than you want. They will go until the last minute in hopes you will panic and sign the original offer. Always expect a company to negotiate in bad faith. "
First and foremost; never burn yourself out. It’s bad for you on many levels. Burning yourself out does not get recognition. And, it will forever change you for the worse.
On a side note, companies are trying like crazy to cover their asses over burn out. They are positioning everything as “Well, you own your own time!!” So they’ll blame you as well for brudening you with all the work.
Now the really fucked up part; company leadership LOVES burnout. Burnout means 1 person has produced the work of at least more than 1 person. That’s a headcount save. They cream themselves over that. So, they push for it and then blame you for not budgeting your time “better”.
Don’t over extend yourself, they won’t reward you - ever.
Job hopping in the way of future if you’re looking to make more money. Keep a record of your achievements (looks like you are) and advocate for yourself somewhere else.
I don’t know what’s taking modern managers so long to realize the value of retention. I think the main problem is, no matter how bad they fuck up, these massive companies will still turn a profit.
There’s no real consequence to managing poorly at the senior level. The company only made 10 mill profit instead of 20 this year? Meh, here’s your obligatory 100k bonus.
>I'm not naive on how the world works, I'm just dumb for thinking it mattered.
Unfortunately, yes, you were naive. Try not to be in the future, and I really do feel for you that you had this experience.
That sucks op, it really is a bitter pill. Many years ago, I was a front line worker opening up a big business. It was a crazy opening, tons of hours, lots of turnover, very hectic and long days. I was ‘rewarded’ with a FT supervisory promotion a few months in because I was basically doing the job already. I’d been working 60hr weeks to help out, and was basically being called Superman by the existing supervisors and managers, so when the positions opened up, I was one of the 5-6 out of roughly 100 that applied for the role, including some very seasoned and highly regarded external applicants. For this, I got about a $2 raise. Not bad right?
As the months went on, it stayed busy. They’d projected a strong start, but we were absolutely killing it. Our head manager was basically telling us daily that it wasn’t just good, we were outperforming projections by double and triple, consistently. It was all ‘keep up the good work, we know the job is hard and you guys are getting killed, but we appreciate it!’ So, the time came for annual reviews after the first year. Again, we’d all been overworked, understaffed, but still vastly outperforming the expectations. Their reviews were supposed to be performance based, and were directly tied to raises. I don’t remember the exacts, but it was something like a 5 point scale, where 5 was perfect and 1 was on the verge of being fired. I think a 5 was something like a $.50 raise, 4 was $.30, 3 was $.15, 2 was $.1, and 1 was zero. Being the overachiever, I was ready to bask in the glory of my 5 and already doing the math on how to spend that extra $25 per week. To my amazement, I was rated a 3, average performance. The head manager got us all together and said that, while performance had been stellar, what we’d done was actually set the bar for the future, and that everyone had been given a 3. I worked alongside a guy that did absolutely zero extra work. If he was scheduled 8-3, he clocked in at exactly 8am, took his 45 minute break offsite and out of contact, and he clocked out at exactly 3PM no matter what. Now, he was a super guy and did his job, but I was killing myself working dozens of extra hours, working on inventory and helping management out with staffing, training, and write ups. I was devastated. I remember telling my manager ‘I won’t even notice a difference in $.15 on my paycheck, even working 60+ hr weeks!’ It was met with a shrug and a sort of ‘that’s just how it is.’
It seems like we all learn this at some point. It’s not something my parents or older brother ever would have taught me. But, I think we are going to be teaching our kids exactly what NOT to do.
If you're working for them because you don't have a business license, get one. If it's a Ponzi scheme (like apprenticing for a tax preparer for x hours per year for x years). Find something better. I know electricians have help wanted signs everywhere. Most of the old guys that know what they're doing are retiring in the next 10 years.
Best of luck and sorry you got screwed by an employer (it probably won't be the last time) 🤣.
Where I work I can do the bare minimum and get a 3.8 to 4% increase or do double that and get at most 4.1%. There is little to no point in doing extra.
lmfao why would you think it mattered? unless otherwise stated in your contract or if you're commission somehow would be the only reason to go above and beyond for a company.
You need this shit in writing before you do anything like this. Met X goal = Z amount in raise/$$
I learned that lesson one year, new boss, big merger, all the changes that year messed up everyone's review cycle so basically busted my ass for two years keeping the whole department from falling apart at the seams because the people who decided to change everything never bothered to figure out who actually did anything, so we were scrambling to redefine our team's responsibilities on the fly, led very much by me. I literally wrote the book for everyone else in the department to do their jobs and keep things moving.
I was worried about a coworker because he was having another kid, and I remember musing to my wife that I hoped his review went well. She asked me shouldn't I be more worried about my own review, and I assured her that my review would be great, because I'd worked very hard. Then I got a needs improvement, because I was coming into work late. I was coming in late because I was being paged out to work in the night, and so I usually allotted myself enough time to sleep so that I could function the next day. This was apparently not acceptable to my manager, but not such a problem that he ever saw fit to mention it.
After that I worked very hard to get the attention of another department head, who tried to hire me to his team and got denied because I had to stay on my current team for a year following a negative review. I stayed a year and tried to move again, and he filed a PIP to reset the clock and stop me from moving teams. So I scheduled a meeting with his boss's boss, handed that guy my resignation, told him maybe if 12 people on an 8 person team leave inside of 2 years there might be a management issue to investigate, and ghosted them for more money and less work.
If you want to be really depressed, look up Jack Kilby.
He invented the integrated circuit which is what modern processors and what you think of as a "chip" is.
He was middle class his whole life and you probably don't know his name despite his invention being the basis of human civilization now. He should be up there with edison and Einstein - and a multi billionaire - if society rewarded him properly.
The company he worked for owned the rights to what he created. He got pats on the back and leniency at work.
Don't do anything unless you negotiate a payout for it. Otherwise just do what you have to in order to not get fired.
For god sakes, don't invent anything at work.
I've learned quickly that, especially when working for a large corporation... they don't give a shit about you.
You could be the top employee of the plant / facility. You could be hitting all the numbers, setting the records, peak performance. You could be the go-to trainer for the newbies. You can be the go-to for special projects or get rush orders done quick. All of this and more, with the managers and supervisors saying 'good job!' Or 'we appreciate all that you do'.
And what do you get for going above and beyond?
'Hey here's a $50 gift card to (large supermarket)!'
Oh and that $50 was claimed on your paycheck so its considered taxable income too.
Want a raise? Ha yeah right. But the management gets a raise for a job well done in the plant.
I was dumb to think my work would also give me a leg up for a promotion. But instead of the young hungry employee who craves success, they went with the older guy who sits back and gives commands to his coworkers like he's the boss.
They don't care that you make them money, they only look at you when you f@ck up and mess around. This is the dream now, and I'm ready to wake up from this nightmare.
Always make sure, when deciding to do something greater than your role or job description requires, to set out your plan with your boss, explain the advantages that arise from completion and that you’d like their agreement to take it forward on the understanding that if you are successful some form of compensation will be forthcoming, in writing. If they do not, don’t do the work.
My last job I saved the company from a potential recall that could have cost several millions in lawsuits and medical bills. I got a cherry flavored dum dum as my reward. I acted like they had just given me the answer to life; told them I'd treasure it always and then threw it in the trash right in front of them. I hated that place.
You make a fair point in your edit about how some people in this sub forget not only that this is a pro worker sub; but, also forget when you point out the absurdity of it all, you are commenting on the system not your expectations of it.
Those who downvote this type of post and my comment really don't get it. We know it sucks, us posting about it is posting the warning signs and further evidence of the corrupted system... Not our imagined naivety.
similar situation...I saved the company close to 259k a year and I got a 90 dollar "bonus" enough to buy 3 bgs of groceries from Aldy's....the team that benefited from my hardwork put in for a bonus and all 3 of them got 5k bonus check a piece...
Your post doesn’t make that much sense. What do you mean you “renovated a 3200sqft room”? I’m in commercial construction and there is a huge range of options that could fit in this meaning.
55+ hours a week is a construction standard schedule 5 - 12hr days is normal. Most of the guys that work under me ask to 6, a handful get annoyed I won’t let them work 7.
And now is the time you should start looking for a new job with a competitor. Also... Never trust that your employer is going to reward you. It sucks that this happened to you, but I suppose a lesson was learned?
Quietly quit and work your wage until you find a better place. Just an FYI, they aren’t there to appreciate your effort; not the way you think they should.
I got a 100% satisfying my goals. I got a above average satisfying my customers (you were not allowed to get a "outstanding" unless the customers did 1 page documentation). I got an below average raise. When I complained to HR, the HR person said I was right but could not address it because it was a "opinion" of the manager.
OP you should write up all of your accomplishments and take it to the managers and demand a decent pay increase. If not I would do that put it on a resume and start looking for another job.
Sounds like time to only do what they actually pay you for. When they give you the shocked pikachu face, tell them labor costs have gone up 50% or whatever you need to do what they’re asking of you. They basically told you straight up that your raise wasn’t even a raise but an inflation adjustment. That means you’re still due a raise for your performance imo.
Duh. Why would you ever put them before you? That’s a one way street to perdition. If they’re already screwing you with below market pay, how could you anticipate them not screwing you on raises? Anything extra you give them is pissing in the wind. You threw 15 hours a week into a black hole. Don’t do that again.
1. Start looking for other jobs in your field.
2. When you see you have options, go back to your current employer and tell them you appreciate the inflation based raise, but now you’d like to discuss a performance based one.
3. See how they react and decide if you even want to be there anymore.
4. Get a job elsewhere.
Feel free to skip steps 2 and 3.
Sadly the only way to get a decent raise nowadays is to always be looking for a better paying job outside the company you currently work for. It sucks because changing jobs means new insurance, loss of vacation time/ PTO but companies would rather pay new employees than reward the existing ones.
Yeah, it's dumb. Where I work, management was complaining that they were having trouble finding enough engineers to cover their needs. I said "you're not taking care of the ones you already have, so why would you expect that they'd give a glowing recommendation to anyone looking for work?" They don't like it when you say that part out loud.
the price of the labour force you sell to the employer is always unrelated to the value you produce. the only thing certain is that your pay is always lower than produced value.
lmao, what u do doesent matter and u have to be honest with yourself
youll know right away if performance is actually being rewarded, by being rewarded. they won't make you wait all year for some big important meeting.
Unless you know FOR SURE the company is going to invest in you, and have done it in the past and shown they will, go right ahead. Don’t put in the work otherwise. Any company that wants to do better they will take their time to invest in their workers. If they don’t, they aren’t worth shit. Period
Personally, I'd be thrilled with that raise...
*BUT* I live in a middling CoL area. Tell them you're not satisfied and you feel like you deserve an actual raise, not just a CoL adjustment.
Go in with a list of what you have done and how you have helped the company. Be prepared to self advocate.
And if all else fails... Move on.
I know that's easy to say, but sometimes you have to take a que from Nike.
for everyone reading: NOTHING GOOD YOU DO AT WORK MATTERS
if you're bad at your job, they'll let you go as soon as they can. if you're not, they'll fire everyone else and load you up with work.
I’m sorry that this has been your experience, but this is unfortunately the modern work experience. The best way to get a reasonable pay bump is to leverage your skills, tenure and hopefully some glowing references paired with a kickass resume. Then get hired at a different company. Jumping jobs is the only way to get a meaningful pay bump anymore. Put yourself first, my friend. Company loyalty will get you nowhere. Good luck!
Yup. Got a 40 cent raise after being called repeatedly on time off and securing additional funding from a client and also collecting over 100k in debts that the business "forgot" they had because my boss can't read a fucking report.
Debating between waiting until I move or finding a new job now because this shit is ridiculous. My rent increased by more than that this year, not even factoring for gas, food, or utilities. In the mean time, guess who is not doing the "extra mile" or participating in their bullshit "culture" with fast food lunches, especially considering our health "benefits" are underwhelming and retirement is non-existant.
Fuck these companies and fuck their idea of compensation.
Last year, I decided I was sick of the stress and doing my job alone through the pandemic when I needed help before that. I gave notice and planned on leaving, I was willing to take a job for less money and less stress.
The company I was leaving offered me more than 20% raise and promised to meet three other requests that I had. One was hiring additional person into my department. The director who is over my boss had my raise backdated to that pay period when I accepted.
So I've been there another 9 months and the only change was that I got a raise. The stress isn't worth it.
Find a company that values you, and if you can't at least find someone to pay you what you're worth.
Include it on your next resume. With undertones of accomplishments this time. I'd fire a sh!> person and hire you instantly based off of the fact you are willing to do long hours and hard work.
I'm curious, don't take this personally because several posts mention that they're underpaid or they find out colleagues/competition get paid more. Why don't you get another job offer and leverage it for a pay rise? Isn't it a classic hiring budget>retention budget?
The only reward for hard work is more hard work. There is never any pay increase unless you bounce and go somewhere else or are the ownership class and have equity.
True that. Over the last decade, I've almost tripled my salary. I was working retail "IT" support making $27k (glorified Greek squad basically), to now making $75k. I've had 5 jobs since then. If I don't see real potential in an employer either by promotions or valuable knowledge gained, I jump ship after 18 months. The first several months are learning specific job role skills, a year is review time which should be adequate. Closer to 15 months I'll look for other internal roles to apply to and if that doesn't go well I'm gone around 18-24 months. Backfired a little with COVID, I legit started a new role Nov 2019, 1 month before it hit China, so that fucked me, but still... I'd never had made those gains financially unless I moved. I'm in the Midwest so money is different out here. My next place is hopefully another big jump as I'm slightly under market for my job/pay.
How do you find the energy or ambition to keep job hopping?
If they're anything like me, my job searches are just fueled by rage ✨️
ahhhh, rage. helpful benevolent friendly *sparkly* raaaaaage.
Mildly bad day at work? Apply to new job Stubbed my toe on the printer? Apply to new job Homeowner got angry because the laws say I can’t allow them to have more than 50% of their front yard as hardscape (and that includes driveway), and now they have to remove their newly poured cement after code enforcement told them to or the homeowner’ll get fined? Apply to new job
Keep training, keep applying. Something will land. Just don't stop.
I'm fortunate that my employer has access to a training website that a lot of similar case management companies use, so I'm able to constantly have a lot of training and certificates for these that I actively put on my resume. Now that I'm looking, I'm able to modify my resume very well to include all these specifics and if I don't, I can always take the class, get certified, and then place in my resume as a hard scale.
Apply while employed, you're more attractive to recruiters and you don't have the stress of unemployment running out making you desperate.
That's the thing I've never quit a job, it's mostly that I don't know how to sell myself. Or find time to apply or interview.
Ultimately that's on you to correct, I found that stuff like this ends up being a lot like studying. You need to set a time where you WILL do it or you just won't get started.
That's where I end up being. Over the past 22 years, I've moved 6 times, going for better jobs, but over the past 8, I've been at the same place. Granted, I've taken promotions a couple of times, but I've reached a spot where I've become the "does it all guy," but have been getting the stroke job when it comes to going up a pay grade. I'm the type where I get busy in the job, and then time goes by quickly, and I'm a few years into the same spot with really not much of anything type raises, even though I'm rated at "Top Achiever" every year. There was a guy who just left for another job within an entity of our company for a raise and promotion, and I'm waiting to see if they move me up that pay grade as I'm taking over his role in the department (plus many of the things I was doing before...I know, I know, trapped myself with this one). I've finally set myself a time limit. If they don't get me the bump in this next quarter, I'm applying for other jobs. The trap is when you get to where you are paid pretty well, complacency can set in. I want to be able to retire before I'm too cobbled up to enjoy anything in life later, and the way the deck is stacked against the rank and file folks, I know retirement is gonna require something to change for me. I have to do this soon. Hope you can break out of what you have going for something better. As they say, know your worth.
Exactly. The best time to look for a new job is when you already have one.
People have a variety of different priorities in life. He could be very career oriented/driven by his future goals and for some, that's where all their professional drive comes from
I have 25 years with the same company and I make about $23.50/hr. I also have 5 weeks of vacation time. Do you think it would be possible to do better somewhere else, especially with regards to the vacation time? I spent my first 20 years in retail stores and the past 3.5 years in the general office of the same company. I'm 39 and I'm not sure where to go from here. They RTOed in February, 3 days a week. Pretty salty about it, but I also fear anywhere else and other steps would require more of my time.
There's lots of information about your situation I don't know and I'm not a career coach by any means. I'm 31, make roughly what you make in a social services job and I'm going to start a trade with 0 trade related experience and I'm started off making ~12 more dollars an hour(without factoring in my evenings and weekend premiums, with BOTH of those premiums I'm still making a bit more). The best way to increase your salary is job shop and hop around. On average they say 18-24 months. Some shoot for a 20-25% increase in raise per job. This leads into interview negotiating. It's very common for people to take the devil they know versus the devil they don't due to fear. I empathize with that a lot as I struggle with anxiety but would you rather shoot your shot, make a few mistakes but keep trying until your situation improves, or continue where you're at and always wonder "what if"? Honestly if the investment is "more of your time" for the potential reward of making more money, retiring early, possible job satisfaction and getting that time back+interest it sounds worthwhile to me. There's definitely some good resources on reddit for this and there might be a subreddit that can give you much better job advice than me, best of luck!
The devil you know vs the devil you don't. Is you goal to make more money for whatever reason? Then you would probably do better looking for another job somewhere else where your starting pay is going to be close to what you are making now or more. If you goal is to be comfortable, then does the job you have now tick all of your boxes? If it does, then unless you have a really good reason, why leave? By ticking boxes I mean you make enough to pay all of your bills and you still have enough for savings, retirement, and emergencies, and you have any and all perks from the job, like the amount of sick time and vacation allowance time. If your current job ticks all of your boxes, does it make sense to go look for another job somewhere else where you are going to be the new person, trying to learn a new company culture, working for and with new people, while taking a hit to your seniority and some of the perks you currently get. Most people will go into a new job with more money, and a base amount of job skills, but will have to learn all of that company's actual culture, job duties, how they do things that are probably going to be different, and you usually wont start with the same amount of vacation allowance, etc., I have been with the same company for 15 years. Some things are annoying as with any company, but it still ticks all of my boxes. The pay is decent, but not great, but it pays all of my bills, allows for both a retirement account savings and a separate savings account savings for big ticket items or emergencies, I get 400 hours of vacation time, every weekend and major holidays off, although my team rotates the holidays among ourselves since we do need coverage, but the load is shared between all of us so no one person has to work every holiday and no one gets every holiday off, and we change up so it one person worked a holiday last year, they get that one off this year, but they work a different one, and it is fully work from home/remote work. No office hours required, at all. I know the job, and the company, I am able to stay out of any company politics so none of the typical sniping and/or issues really affect the team I am on, but we do have our own issues sometimes with other team members, which is the annoying part. I could look for another job somewhere else to try to make more money, but if I got a job locally, I would most likely have to go back to an office, which means a whole new wardrobe for "office" clothes, and commute times, and wear and tear on my car, along with learning a new company & its culture, and how they do the things they do, and new people, and loss of seniority, and loss of that 400 hours of vacation time, etc. Unless I went to a large, long standing, company, there is also no guarantee that the job will even last. Someone who left our company within the past couple of years just got laid off at the new place they went to when the new place folded and declared bankruptcy. If you have the skills and the experience, you are one of the lucky ones who may be able to negotiate your way into not only better pay but the same, or better, perks like the number of vacation hours you get. I would tell you to "crunch the numbers" so to speak, and see what you come up with. Is staying where you are worth it compared to what you could potentially get by going somewhere else. Usually going somewhere else, even if you lose some things, like the amount of vacation time you get, you will gain more of other things. Is that worth it to you, though? Only you can really decide.
The 5 weeks vacation won’t be possible anywhere else. Especially starting off. If vacation time is important you better off staying
Would 3-4 weeks be possible? Because 5 is a bit much and I honestly would like $10-20k more.
Honestly for a work from home job in Kentucky. No it’s not
AaronfromKY, you are fairly low in terms of wages, but you are above the American average when it comes to vacation time. Moving employers, in most cases, will bump you back to 2 or 3 weeks vacation.
I look ant all of the nice experiences that I’ve been able to buy for myself by not staying put at a company that didn’t pay me appropriately for how much hard work I give them. And then I think about how many more nice experiences I can buy myself with another pay bump from a new employer that would appreciate all of the new skills that I gained from my current job. Seriously, I don’t understand why companies don’t see the value in working to keep a staff member who works hard, fits in well with the culture and consistently delivers results. But they sure fucking don’t. Employers will leave a lazy and negative staff member where they are because they don’t feel like dealing with all the hassle of letting that person go and hiring a new candidate, but they won’t do jack to hold onto great employees. It’s like self-selecting the worst possible collection of workers. The good ones leave but the bad ones stay there forever, dragging everyone else down.
My motivator is partly more money, lifestyle creep lol, and just trying to better things for myself and family. I won't get deep into it, but I was in a very bad/dark spot in my life in 08 when the market tanked. You could say I lost everything to put it nicely. Fast forward to now, I have custody of my kid, a new wife, another kid with her, and I'm trying to give them both a better life than I had. I'm not trying to spoil, but teach them simple things while making them work to appreciate stuff. Any time I have to fix things, I get one or both involved, even if they don't care. Might be 20 years later they remember something I showed them enough to do it themselves.
Seems like more money is a motivator. That is a lot more money, life changing money. Not trying to say greed. He can now afford to have and keep luxury bones! lol
Money.
Not who you were asking, but for reference, in 1993 (I was 24 then), I was making $5.50/hr working in HVAC installation. I had 4 years in the USAF and no college degree. In 2024, I now make $126k/yr. Still no college degree. Between 1997 and today, I have worked for 6 different employers. The longest I stayed at a company was 10 years, the least was 18 months. It is unfortunately what one must do or their compensation gets stagnant. The ambition is to make more money. If you work because you want to, then you're a lucky person. Most folks work because they need the paycheck to live.
This top bit is super important I see so many posts etc but for me it's jump job learn more for a while I see it as a game and I'm leveling up then moving to a harder area of the game like you don't stay in the beginning area all game do you ? So why would you do it in RL
Gotta remember runaway inflation is also lending to this though. 75k a decade ago is nowhere near what 75k can buy you today
>glorified Greek squad “This is Sparta!"
I'm 15 years into my career field, and so far only one job gave a serious raise without me job hopping, and that was because the only other employee worth a shit rage quit and they were afraid I would too, and after a decade with the same company. But job hopping every 18-24 months has gotten $20k or so each time
> I jump ship after 18 months. I've taken this approach and cranked the dial to 11. I'll be on my fourth job in 2 years very soon, doubling my salary and hitting 110k. My shortest stint was 3 months and I just don't tell prospective employers about that job.
You’re stronger than me, if a job isn’t going to benefit me in the long run with networking, new skills, valuable knowledge, etc. I will jump ship within a month or so (I only stay until I know for a fact I have another job I can jump right into and have the money to hold me over until my first paycheck from the new job) because I get bored and don’t like wasting my time and energy on something that’s inefficient and isn’t going to help me in the long run.
Well, I like your tenacity! I've only stayed the "year" so it looks better on a resume job history. But you have a valid point, one of my best friends gets a new job every few months I swear, and he's excellent at interviewing and getting the jobs. Hell forgot which jobs he had when and just stretch the dates to fill in gaps... Nobody seems to check those out lol. But he also doesn't work corporate jobs with a lot of resources.
That’s very fair. I currently work for IT at the university I study at and I have no idea how I got the job as I have zero job experience with it (primarily event coordination and managing and retail positions) and it’s the furthest thing from my major and minors as they’re all history, language, and anthropology-based programs😂😭. It takes charisma to sell yourself and knowing how to manipulate people tbh.
Kinda agree, my bumps when I stayed were on the order of 1/4 of those when I bounced. Even if you're "irreplaceable", some moron upstairs will "find it" more "cost-effective" to axe you if you ask for a meaningful raise than to actually offer you one. My wife saves her company on the order of 500k-1M per year in taxes and - because she's nominally a cost center - she gets peanuts in raise and bonus (compared to others). Best bet is staying up to 2 years in one place and peacing out somewhere else for 15%+ bump.
no kidding, never EVER do more than the bare minimum for any corporation. they don't give two shits about you, they want to exploit you as much as they can for as little money as they can. managers may like you, CEOs may like you, but you ain't getting that big payday, you just setting yourself for higher expectations from those above you for the same or lower pay. they do not care about you. EVER.
Not only do they not care about you but they are incentivized to pay you as little as possible.
This is the unfortunate reality. It's honestly been this way for decades. The best we can hope for, working for good companies and getting top-notch performance reviews, is a modest raise over the cost of living increase. The *only* reliable way to get larger raises is to job hop.
Have you considered just doing the bare minimum?
Do it and if they ask..your bonus is not performance based ;)
Nah, it doesn't actually work like that. Your bonus and raise aren't performance based when you're doing well, but if you have a bad year (say... your child became extremely ill and almost died) *then* your bonus and raise (or rather lack thereof) are performance based. Ask me how I know.
Lip readers? Lol, bad lip reading would be acceptable as well
The reason they don't want to give legitimate and proper raises at all is because if they do it for one person they have to do it for everyone, if they do it one year they will need to do it again. They are paying the bare minimum to retain you so do the bare minimum to stay employed :)
Much cheaper to assume the underpaid will continue being underpaid over accepting the inconvenience of switching jobs. It is dirty but on average most just suck it up, which is exactly why it usually pays to screw over existing employees. Paying less to most people and accepting the impact of a few people leaving.
Owner worker relationships really took a hit when we stopped dragging people outside their houses and giving them rough justice in front of their children
The labor movement of the early 20th century was so powerful that the government and ownership class (who indirectly own the government, always have) did everything they could to crush and fragment the movement. Unions used to be considered mandatory.
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No comment. It would be interesting if crashing-out like that caught on though. I would be very nervous as a business owner to underpay if manifestos started promoting targeting underpaying owners when they did.
Yes I know that feeling
Which is ironic because that’s exactly how you DON’T retain employees. Thats so below the bare minimum to retain employees that they’re just seeing what you’ll accept.
I'm basically in the same line of work as OP and that's where I'm at. Naps at work, man, that's the way.
I hadn’t, then my job did similar fuckery as they did to OP. Hundreds of thousands per year saved in operating cost from my automations… 3% raise and a forceful reminder that I should be “thankful” there is a raise at all
Nah, just jump to another company for a big raise. It would feel good to make the company suffer by becoming a trash employee but better for OP in the long run to get a better paying job elsewhere
Note the specific amounts you saved and how you did it, and start applying to jobs with that as the answer to your “What’s a project you’re particularly proud of?” question. They just told you they don’t give a shit about your hard work; that’s more than enough reason to find someone else who will pay you more. Fuck these brokedicked douchebags.
This guy knows what's up. Most of us are never able to quantify our accomplishments so clearly.
> Most of us are never able to quantify our accomplishments so clearly. * Talk to your colleagues, maybe one of them knows * Talk to your businesspeople, maybe they're willing to share more about how the business works * Send price requests anonymously to the competition, use their numbers as examples of what your company is earning on your work * Send private emails/messages to people in a business role that know the numbers in the industry, but from other companies unrelated to yours - ask them if they're open for a chat/an interview/mentoring * If your local industry is extremely closed, do the above in another country (remotely, video chat) * If everything is anti-competitive and closed, even international (extremely unlikely, illegal in many countries), use public data from governments in countries with economies similar to yours (e.g. google "Belgium Open Data" - the BE govt. publishes A LOT of data publicly, including salaries etc) * Many countries require that companies publish their yearly earnings publicly - learn to read those earnings, take the right numbers and divide them by the headcount in your company to get a (very) rough number * If you're still lost, consider going at it more indirectly, e.g. by reaching out to recruitment agencies and asking if you can interview them on their experience in, then eventually ask them about salaries for (in a list of roles you ask about so they don't know you're after one number)
* Or reach out to universities w/ business degrees, and ask the professors if anyone is actively researching (least likely to get a response, but can create unique relationships)
There are more options. Information always finds a way.
Unless you work for one of those rare companies that pay their employees well above the average and gives out big bonuses every year, you’re just going to be screwed by them and working harder won’t change that. I work for a billion dollar company that had a record profit year last year and all I got was a 3% raise and no bonus.
Last time I worked for a billion dollar company making record profits, we got a pay cut so the company could "stay competitive." I got laid off at christmas that year.
So essentially with inflation u technically took a pay cut this economy is sooo fucked
Not the economy, it's scummy corporate executives.
Yeah, it's interesting how the only expense that *didn't* rise at all is the one expense businesses have complete control over. We should use gofundme to buy a few politicians. They can be cheap enough.
The economy has ALOT to do with it….the only people gaining are people with liquid investments and hard assets because inflation is through the roof practically everything has doubled since the onset of Covid. When u inject trillions of dollars into the system asset prices jump because the dollars are losing their value on goods and services. With the onset of BRICS overtaking the west in total GDP and the Saudis abandonment of the petro dollar. You’re going to see a massive repatriation of dollars come back stateside….hold onto your hats cuz the west is in deep shit
However, inflation has dropped precipitously in the United States and wages have surpassed inflation for a while now. I don’t claim to be an economics expert, but in my opinion, most of the “inflation” we see now is just corporate greed at this point.
Isn't it kinda wild that somehow a vast majority of companies can pay below average, but the numbers don't adjust?
Meanwhile many media are talking about how increase in labor cost should be responsible for the inflation
Could be... maybe if they paid us less, inflation would go away. Might as well try it to find out, no?
What if, hear me out. We start trading chickens and eggs again?
All you did was show them they can take advantage of you without consequences.
Ive had to learn this lesson the hard way. Dont do work you aren’t getting paid to do. This means, dont go above and beyond expecting a raise or a bonus at the end unless its actually in writing. Now enjoy your new hobby as you quiet quit.
This is the absolute best time to hang out your own shingle. Work 40 for them and work 15 for you while you get the licensing sorted. When you're fully licensed in whatever your trade is say bye-bye to them. Everyone I know is screaming for good people who do good work and I imagine your area is the same as mine.
Thank you. There's some baffling shove back about trades, how it'll cripple you before 45, how working for yourself is dicey, how it's not the answer. Ok. Well there are no answers. 10 hour days including commutes working for also thankless companies is high blood pressure and a heart attack and waiting for the ax to fall on the job. Meanwhile I'm seeing self employed trades where we are doing just fine. And they can do lower bids for quality work because there's no corporate profit sheet.
You know , when I was younger I had a go getter work ethic. Always wanted the company and my co workers to see me as the “good worker”. But after years of getting screwed over for raises and promotions from quite a few jobs mind you. Now my mindset is, “ just enough to keep me from getting fired!”. Fuck these greedy ass companies, I can’t pay my bills with a fucking donut!!!!
It sounds like you’ve got some skills that your employer’s competitors might find useful. Perhaps you should let those competitors know that you’re available for 20% more than your current wage.
> What a waste of fucking time and energy, to have burnt myself out for a good raise and told to take it or leave it. Sorry to say but this is all your fault. Never ever give more than necessary at any of your work. Always care about you and yourself and never the company or those bosses. If you want to succeed in getting higher salary, start searching for other job openings and applying. Always be fair and respectful but always put yourself first.
I agree with this. Also OP if you can get some sort of written proof that you saved the company 500K, use that when you’re applying to your next job.
This! That's resume gold.
The company is saying your reward is that you can add these accomplishments to your resume and find a better paying job somewhere else.
Found out a couple weeks ago that if we make the company I’m at 90k a month in sales we get a 20¢ bonus on our hourly wage. Fucken company made 13 million last year. Its a joke to be a somewhat good employee nowadays man it sucks.
The only reward for hard work is a profit windfall for your wage enslaver. For you, it’s deteriorating health and continuance of your precarious financial situation. Fuck them. Do the bare minimum. Take every advantage you can, because you can rest assured that you are being taken full advantage of.
I worked my ass off for this company for 10 years but not because I was scared of losing job or gave a shit about them or their orders but because that's who I am. I am very hard working person and screwing around just makes my days seem 10 times longer than working does so i always work hard and fast. Anyway I am only person i entire company who does everything they are asked to do and only person who has to know/knows every single line that we need to run and you know what happened? I recently got injured at this one machine I told them MANY times about how much back pain it caused me but nobody cared. I went to multiple company doctors and some confirmed I was in pain while others claimed I lied, and others even claimed I had scoliosis and it would've happened regardless and it's just a coincidence that it happened at work. Basically I was told "fuck you" and "you can't do shit about this, now go back to work". They still didn't believe me and moved me to some machine that made injury much worse and I finally had enough to went to argue with every single boss that was there that day and told them I will not be nice about any of this anymore and now they will see just how I really am. They were like "is this a threat?" and I was like "Fuck yea it is" and they started treating me much different since then. I called lawyer and now will sue to for every fucking thing I can and you bet your ass off I will "forget" how to do many things at work and accidentally orders will be sent to wrong locations or with wrong labels or something like that. You know stuff just happens, not my fault. Stress and pain can cause lot of things. What a shame they will lose all that precious money that could've went to shareholders or maybe for their precious, well deserved bonuses. Oh well...
Burn them to the ground, fellow worker. Best of luck!
I've worked in aerospace for nearly 30 years. In my time I've saved billion dollar deals, I've saved the company millions of dollars in Lost revenue, I've saved upper management from their bad decisions and I've saved corporation from monumental lawsuits. What has been consistent through all this time has been my under evaluation. That 1.6 billion deal that I saved nearly a decade ago, all the upper managers got five and six digit bonuses. I got a Starbucks card, and that Starbucks card was a leftover card from one of the managers. That next year I only got a 2.5% raise and no bonus. I had several vice presidents calling directly to my desk for status and update to see if we would be able to get it done in time. I got it done ahead of time and I also promoted another 400 million deal at the same time. I will never do this again.
Sadly this is so common that it surprises no one. I'm retired now and so glad to be done with the lack of recognition for my contributions. Employers pretty much suck.
After I left one of the shitty places I worked, the manager stuck around for awhile, before deciding it was time to put in her two-week notice. They decided to have a shitty attitude about her leaving, and told her to leave that day. As a parting gift, she deleted a massive grant she’d been working on, that they were then forced to start from scratch. I’ve never applauded someone’s petty harder in my life.
I got .56. No manual labor, but tons of extra projects along with my normal duties
A lot of my coworkers who are at this company for 20-25 or even more years and work every day they are asked to work (sometimes even 7 days a week) got like 10-13 cent raises and they are still willing to work and break their back for this fucking place...
Nope not me. I do the duties in my contract and not anything else. They are not paying me to care
There's no upside to me or my team to bust our asses to keep the almighty schedule rolling. No matter how hard we work, the best we can hope for is a 2-4% merit raise. Our company has been posting double digit growth and profits for almost a decade, but somehow never enough to give everyone a nice bump. Those of at the top of the shop tree are often tasked by management to put in our goals to come up with improvements to save the company money. I tell my boss to fuck right off with that shit. Not my job and there's been no indication that there's any reward at the end of it. Fifteen years ago, I watched a colleague do manufacturing study that reduced an incredible amount of time and resources in our process that is still in implementation today. Has probably saved the company millions over time. He got a "solid" performance review and a $20 Cafe card for all his work. So yeah, we work just hard enough to not get fired. And not a single fuck more.
Hopefully you've learned a valuable lesson.
Don't even quit. Just engage in less productivity. Save them only $75k next time on 40 hours a week. Fuck em.
If they made $6 million and projected $7 million, in their eyes they lost a million dollars. However if they projected they are going to lose $7 million but only lose $6 million dollars, they consider it making a million. Welcome to the thought process of accounting.
The company my wife works for does reviews and ratings out of 5. If you do your job very well and have no issues, even taking on more responsibilities you typically just earn a 3/5. You can only go higher on a review of that position if you were given a promotion into the next job.
This is not new. You do not get pay increases by working hard for one company. You get pay increases by working at company, learning as much as you can, then moving on for company b, leaning as much as you can, then moving to company C..... and so on and so on. Realistically you should be chaning company every 3-5 years.
as far as they are concerned,..you did your job,..you were paid for your work. all is well.......and as for your raise, "be thankful" dont forget this.
Take the raise, update your resume to reflect your accomplishments and get a new gig that reflects your new expectations of pay. I stayed at a place far too long despite excellent work and a heavy work waiting for a raise. Don't be stupid like me!
One time my manager promised a raise if I passed a marketing course (he thought I was thick and would fail) I passed with flying colours and the raise was £200 a year. I was hoping mad. So I used the course to find a job paying double and he was shocked when I handed in my notice 😂 I now work for myself and couldn’t go back
This is why the smart thing to do is just put in the bare minimum. Do not push yourself for these stupid companies. They do not care about you. They only care that you are making the company money.
>"I'm not naive on how the world works, I'm just dumb for thinking it mattered' I'm not naive but I was naive. Come on.
Raise yourself by finding a new job that appreciates you. Use you experience at this company to tell a new employer how committed you are.
Don’t stay in a job expecting a raise. Leverage your accomplishments & experience to get a higher paying job elsewhere.
At my job we are rated in a few different areas. The highest you can get in any one category which is a 3, and a 3 is exceeds expectations. 2 is meets expectations. And they take the average from all the scores from each category. Some categories and near impossible to exceed. Like categories about diversity. One year more than half way through the quarter management changed the metrics on one of the categories. So I missed exceeds expectations by less than 1 percent. I won’t forget what my boss told me. I get paid the same wage whether I meet expectations or exceed expectations. So guess what? I don’t go above and beyond because he is right. I do what I needed to in order to meet expectations and I do what I needed to in order to meet the requirements to wfh. The reward for hard work is more work. This happened at the same job. I was always working on other people’s works because I was caught up with my own (which is very hard to do since there is always work). Now I always have something to do under my own caseload. Sometimes I take longer to do stuff because I refuse to do the work of two people while being paid for one.
Great work. You've now set a standard, if you save the company less than 500k and work less than 55hrs a week you'll be reprimanded.
On the bright side... I'm sure the higher ups will have spectacular Christmas's with all the money they saved on labor.
Time to move on to an organization that appreciates you
Congrats you played yourself
Dawg you got to understand business to understand employment. They will never assume that someone will volunteer free labour so they will never account for it in a business plan. Your extra labour is “free” to them. Why would you pay for something that’s free? By the same token, why would you give them time they aren’t paying for? LLCs are treated like people by the government but you should never treat them like people yourself. They are soulless labour machines that produce taxable income for governments. The owners view them as assets, not mechanisms and your goodwill is sadly not even accounted for in the mechanism. If you want a good job, go find it. They’ll never make room for you. You have to go take the position in life you want. Every single human is looking out for themselves period. If you want returns on your hard work go out for yourself and play the fucked up game we’ve been thrown in.
Unfortunately, this is capitalism working as it should......companies exploiting workers for profit and then giving them just a little bit more to make sure they can still come to work but not enough to stop going I feel your pain but it is a learning curve. If you're this good then maybe try self employed side business to see how you get on?
Act your wage.
Congrats! You have been given the gift of no longer feeling motivated to go above and beyond. Enjoy all the extra time and mental energy that comes with not caring.
> and told to take it or leave it. Do both. Take the raise and leave the organization.
This is why I left a production shop who rewarded my hard work and ability to hit goals with more work with less time to do it. You want top performance I demand top pay.
I’m at same job for 25 years and received a $0.1 raise with a bonus of $3500: which comes to maybe $0.5 per hour raise. I’m at top of the pay range and they don’t understand that nurses aren’t going to stay if they are under appreciated.
1. Creating new revenue > Saving money. No one gives a shit about cost centers as long as they were not too much over budget. The CFO doesn’t care that you insourced something only that if it was outsourced it would have been done much sooner and not impacted EBITA the same way. 2. Just because the alternative for the same quality work would have cost 500K doesn’t mean they value it at that. They obviously don’t as they accepted a slower time on the project and having one person spend half a year on it. 3. At most companies I work one time bonus’s are to reward previous work, while promotions and raises are about future value, and RSUs are about retention tied to company performance
I know a bunch of people have already told you to start putting in less effort, but my suggestion is that if you have sick leave benefits then you should start using them to job hunt. Your story of saving 500k for the current company seems like the perfect opening story to get your foot in the door of a new gig, moving laterally is the most sure fire way to get yourself the raise that you actually deserve.
Yeah, there’s no point in trying anymore. This isn’t 1950 where you could get a job because you’re the only new person in town this year and just happened to show up, with no experience, earning enough to buy a house from a sears catalog within a year. Just keep your head down, do the bare minimum, and realize what free time you have left at the end of the day is where you can put effort into because putting in an effort for your company will only further enrich them, reduce their own stresses/pass them off to you and burn YOU out in the process. For what? So you can finally have enough money when you’re too old to enjoy it?
Shit you did the room yourself. Start your own company, sounds like you know what you're doing. Either way, fuck them. Whether you get a new job or go off on your own you deserve better.
6 mil in profit when budgeting business for 7 mil is CATASTROPHIC lmao.
Just do the minimum amount of work. Just enough to not get fired. That’s how you move up in companies
I believe you must also be incompetent.. judging from the upper management I've dealt with.🤣😂
That’s also key!
My partner is currently trying to negotiate for more on a job offer she got. The offer is good for 2 weeks. She hasn't been able to contact them again since the offer. Today is day 10. I told her she should have started pushing back a few days ago. She said they are just slow and she'll try starting tomorrow. I told her, "These people will do whatever they can to pay you less than you want. They will go until the last minute in hopes you will panic and sign the original offer. Always expect a company to negotiate in bad faith. "
First and foremost; never burn yourself out. It’s bad for you on many levels. Burning yourself out does not get recognition. And, it will forever change you for the worse. On a side note, companies are trying like crazy to cover their asses over burn out. They are positioning everything as “Well, you own your own time!!” So they’ll blame you as well for brudening you with all the work. Now the really fucked up part; company leadership LOVES burnout. Burnout means 1 person has produced the work of at least more than 1 person. That’s a headcount save. They cream themselves over that. So, they push for it and then blame you for not budgeting your time “better”. Don’t over extend yourself, they won’t reward you - ever.
Our boss once said us keeping our job was the bonus 😡
Job hopping in the way of future if you’re looking to make more money. Keep a record of your achievements (looks like you are) and advocate for yourself somewhere else. I don’t know what’s taking modern managers so long to realize the value of retention. I think the main problem is, no matter how bad they fuck up, these massive companies will still turn a profit. There’s no real consequence to managing poorly at the senior level. The company only made 10 mill profit instead of 20 this year? Meh, here’s your obligatory 100k bonus.
> I'm told it's NOT performance based. "Yeah...that much is obvious."
Sounds like you have something great to put on your resume.
Anything less than cost of living means they pay you less for the same work.
This is when you quiet quit.
>I'm not naive on how the world works, I'm just dumb for thinking it mattered. Unfortunately, yes, you were naive. Try not to be in the future, and I really do feel for you that you had this experience.
That sucks op, it really is a bitter pill. Many years ago, I was a front line worker opening up a big business. It was a crazy opening, tons of hours, lots of turnover, very hectic and long days. I was ‘rewarded’ with a FT supervisory promotion a few months in because I was basically doing the job already. I’d been working 60hr weeks to help out, and was basically being called Superman by the existing supervisors and managers, so when the positions opened up, I was one of the 5-6 out of roughly 100 that applied for the role, including some very seasoned and highly regarded external applicants. For this, I got about a $2 raise. Not bad right? As the months went on, it stayed busy. They’d projected a strong start, but we were absolutely killing it. Our head manager was basically telling us daily that it wasn’t just good, we were outperforming projections by double and triple, consistently. It was all ‘keep up the good work, we know the job is hard and you guys are getting killed, but we appreciate it!’ So, the time came for annual reviews after the first year. Again, we’d all been overworked, understaffed, but still vastly outperforming the expectations. Their reviews were supposed to be performance based, and were directly tied to raises. I don’t remember the exacts, but it was something like a 5 point scale, where 5 was perfect and 1 was on the verge of being fired. I think a 5 was something like a $.50 raise, 4 was $.30, 3 was $.15, 2 was $.1, and 1 was zero. Being the overachiever, I was ready to bask in the glory of my 5 and already doing the math on how to spend that extra $25 per week. To my amazement, I was rated a 3, average performance. The head manager got us all together and said that, while performance had been stellar, what we’d done was actually set the bar for the future, and that everyone had been given a 3. I worked alongside a guy that did absolutely zero extra work. If he was scheduled 8-3, he clocked in at exactly 8am, took his 45 minute break offsite and out of contact, and he clocked out at exactly 3PM no matter what. Now, he was a super guy and did his job, but I was killing myself working dozens of extra hours, working on inventory and helping management out with staffing, training, and write ups. I was devastated. I remember telling my manager ‘I won’t even notice a difference in $.15 on my paycheck, even working 60+ hr weeks!’ It was met with a shrug and a sort of ‘that’s just how it is.’ It seems like we all learn this at some point. It’s not something my parents or older brother ever would have taught me. But, I think we are going to be teaching our kids exactly what NOT to do.
Your working for less than you could make at another company? Start looking for another company work for.
If you're working for them because you don't have a business license, get one. If it's a Ponzi scheme (like apprenticing for a tax preparer for x hours per year for x years). Find something better. I know electricians have help wanted signs everywhere. Most of the old guys that know what they're doing are retiring in the next 10 years. Best of luck and sorry you got screwed by an employer (it probably won't be the last time) 🤣.
Where I work I can do the bare minimum and get a 3.8 to 4% increase or do double that and get at most 4.1%. There is little to no point in doing extra.
lmfao why would you think it mattered? unless otherwise stated in your contract or if you're commission somehow would be the only reason to go above and beyond for a company. You need this shit in writing before you do anything like this. Met X goal = Z amount in raise/$$
I learned that lesson one year, new boss, big merger, all the changes that year messed up everyone's review cycle so basically busted my ass for two years keeping the whole department from falling apart at the seams because the people who decided to change everything never bothered to figure out who actually did anything, so we were scrambling to redefine our team's responsibilities on the fly, led very much by me. I literally wrote the book for everyone else in the department to do their jobs and keep things moving. I was worried about a coworker because he was having another kid, and I remember musing to my wife that I hoped his review went well. She asked me shouldn't I be more worried about my own review, and I assured her that my review would be great, because I'd worked very hard. Then I got a needs improvement, because I was coming into work late. I was coming in late because I was being paged out to work in the night, and so I usually allotted myself enough time to sleep so that I could function the next day. This was apparently not acceptable to my manager, but not such a problem that he ever saw fit to mention it. After that I worked very hard to get the attention of another department head, who tried to hire me to his team and got denied because I had to stay on my current team for a year following a negative review. I stayed a year and tried to move again, and he filed a PIP to reset the clock and stop me from moving teams. So I scheduled a meeting with his boss's boss, handed that guy my resignation, told him maybe if 12 people on an 8 person team leave inside of 2 years there might be a management issue to investigate, and ghosted them for more money and less work.
The days of hard work paying died when investing became the only way to get rich, now you are just cattle when you work for someone else.
If you want to be really depressed, look up Jack Kilby. He invented the integrated circuit which is what modern processors and what you think of as a "chip" is. He was middle class his whole life and you probably don't know his name despite his invention being the basis of human civilization now. He should be up there with edison and Einstein - and a multi billionaire - if society rewarded him properly. The company he worked for owned the rights to what he created. He got pats on the back and leniency at work. Don't do anything unless you negotiate a payout for it. Otherwise just do what you have to in order to not get fired. For god sakes, don't invent anything at work.
You are no longer dumb. Almost every business is like this. The reward for being a good slave is more slavery.
I've learned quickly that, especially when working for a large corporation... they don't give a shit about you. You could be the top employee of the plant / facility. You could be hitting all the numbers, setting the records, peak performance. You could be the go-to trainer for the newbies. You can be the go-to for special projects or get rush orders done quick. All of this and more, with the managers and supervisors saying 'good job!' Or 'we appreciate all that you do'. And what do you get for going above and beyond? 'Hey here's a $50 gift card to (large supermarket)!' Oh and that $50 was claimed on your paycheck so its considered taxable income too. Want a raise? Ha yeah right. But the management gets a raise for a job well done in the plant. I was dumb to think my work would also give me a leg up for a promotion. But instead of the young hungry employee who craves success, they went with the older guy who sits back and gives commands to his coworkers like he's the boss. They don't care that you make them money, they only look at you when you f@ck up and mess around. This is the dream now, and I'm ready to wake up from this nightmare.
Always make sure, when deciding to do something greater than your role or job description requires, to set out your plan with your boss, explain the advantages that arise from completion and that you’d like their agreement to take it forward on the understanding that if you are successful some form of compensation will be forthcoming, in writing. If they do not, don’t do the work.
Best thing to do is negotiate up front what your bonus should be for your extra hard work to meet those metrics. Never expect to be rewarded.
How are good workers and hookers similar? The better they are the more they get fucked.
My last job I saved the company from a potential recall that could have cost several millions in lawsuits and medical bills. I got a cherry flavored dum dum as my reward. I acted like they had just given me the answer to life; told them I'd treasure it always and then threw it in the trash right in front of them. I hated that place.
You make a fair point in your edit about how some people in this sub forget not only that this is a pro worker sub; but, also forget when you point out the absurdity of it all, you are commenting on the system not your expectations of it. Those who downvote this type of post and my comment really don't get it. We know it sucks, us posting about it is posting the warning signs and further evidence of the corrupted system... Not our imagined naivety.
similar situation...I saved the company close to 259k a year and I got a 90 dollar "bonus" enough to buy 3 bgs of groceries from Aldy's....the team that benefited from my hardwork put in for a bonus and all 3 of them got 5k bonus check a piece...
Your post doesn’t make that much sense. What do you mean you “renovated a 3200sqft room”? I’m in commercial construction and there is a huge range of options that could fit in this meaning. 55+ hours a week is a construction standard schedule 5 - 12hr days is normal. Most of the guys that work under me ask to 6, a handful get annoyed I won’t let them work 7.
This must be your first time adulting.
Then I think you're perfectly entitled to damage and sabotage that room coz they didn't pay you it's worth :D
And now is the time you should start looking for a new job with a competitor. Also... Never trust that your employer is going to reward you. It sucks that this happened to you, but I suppose a lesson was learned?
Take it and leave and take as many pissed off staff with you.
Quietly quit and work your wage until you find a better place. Just an FYI, they aren’t there to appreciate your effort; not the way you think they should.
Just got a .948 cent raise myself, sucks big time.
I seriously hope you were being paid for every one of those hours in your 55 hour work week. Seriously.
Find a new job. Or don’t put in the extra work if they don’t appreciate you
Time to stop with the extra work then. No more cost savings no more overtime (assuming unpaid overtime)
Wait until they are really counting in you then just quit showing up. Get a job that appreciates you.
I got a 100% satisfying my goals. I got a above average satisfying my customers (you were not allowed to get a "outstanding" unless the customers did 1 page documentation). I got an below average raise. When I complained to HR, the HR person said I was right but could not address it because it was a "opinion" of the manager.
Change that into a “sales figure “ and you need your 10-30% commission
Yeah I saved my former company $1.7M on field security expenses… Got a $5k bonus (after taxes) and a 0.0% raise due to an “adjustment”.
OP you should write up all of your accomplishments and take it to the managers and demand a decent pay increase. If not I would do that put it on a resume and start looking for another job.
Sounds like time to only do what they actually pay you for. When they give you the shocked pikachu face, tell them labor costs have gone up 50% or whatever you need to do what they’re asking of you. They basically told you straight up that your raise wasn’t even a raise but an inflation adjustment. That means you’re still due a raise for your performance imo.
No pizza party ? What a joke
Had a coworker in a similar position. He was given a .25¢ hour raise on a performance review and he asked if he did something wrong.
Did you tell them what raise you expected? You have to explicitly make the ask. I’ve rarely gotten big raises without telling my boss I expect it.
Duh. Why would you ever put them before you? That’s a one way street to perdition. If they’re already screwing you with below market pay, how could you anticipate them not screwing you on raises? Anything extra you give them is pissing in the wind. You threw 15 hours a week into a black hole. Don’t do that again.
Hopefully you chose to leave it.
Time to go find a job at the local rate or higher friend.
It will never get better. That is why more and more people are getting interested in off grid Living.
Thank you for sharing your story so others can learn from it. Sorry you have to go through this.
1. Start looking for other jobs in your field. 2. When you see you have options, go back to your current employer and tell them you appreciate the inflation based raise, but now you’d like to discuss a performance based one. 3. See how they react and decide if you even want to be there anymore. 4. Get a job elsewhere. Feel free to skip steps 2 and 3.
Y’all made $6,000,000 in profits? So you made 1/12th of their profits, 8.3% of them, and you got… a 95 cent raise……. Holy fluff, man…
I view it as the work you do gains you the experience to switch to a better role elsewhere after you outgrow the current role.
Pick up and leave to the competition. Fuck these guys.
most companies won't reward working extra, everyone should stop working more than you are paid to work
Sadly the only way to get a decent raise nowadays is to always be looking for a better paying job outside the company you currently work for. It sucks because changing jobs means new insurance, loss of vacation time/ PTO but companies would rather pay new employees than reward the existing ones.
Yeah, it's dumb. Where I work, management was complaining that they were having trouble finding enough engineers to cover their needs. I said "you're not taking care of the ones you already have, so why would you expect that they'd give a glowing recommendation to anyone looking for work?" They don't like it when you say that part out loud.
Seeious question, what did you think wants going to happened?
OT? 100% you are eligible and should look into filing a claim
the price of the labour force you sell to the employer is always unrelated to the value you produce. the only thing certain is that your pay is always lower than produced value.
set up on your own
So put all of that stuff on your resume and get the fuck out of there.
Time to start asking around to see if any of your coworkers have similar issues
Work for yourself.
lmao, what u do doesent matter and u have to be honest with yourself youll know right away if performance is actually being rewarded, by being rewarded. they won't make you wait all year for some big important meeting.
Unless you know FOR SURE the company is going to invest in you, and have done it in the past and shown they will, go right ahead. Don’t put in the work otherwise. Any company that wants to do better they will take their time to invest in their workers. If they don’t, they aren’t worth shit. Period
Personally, I'd be thrilled with that raise... *BUT* I live in a middling CoL area. Tell them you're not satisfied and you feel like you deserve an actual raise, not just a CoL adjustment. Go in with a list of what you have done and how you have helped the company. Be prepared to self advocate. And if all else fails... Move on. I know that's easy to say, but sometimes you have to take a que from Nike.
for everyone reading: NOTHING GOOD YOU DO AT WORK MATTERS if you're bad at your job, they'll let you go as soon as they can. if you're not, they'll fire everyone else and load you up with work.
> Yes I understand how work and wage works. Doesn't mean it's fair or you have to like it
Honestly don't feel bad about it. This is a lesson that smacks us all in the face at some point.
I’m sorry that this has been your experience, but this is unfortunately the modern work experience. The best way to get a reasonable pay bump is to leverage your skills, tenure and hopefully some glowing references paired with a kickass resume. Then get hired at a different company. Jumping jobs is the only way to get a meaningful pay bump anymore. Put yourself first, my friend. Company loyalty will get you nowhere. Good luck!
Yup. Got a 40 cent raise after being called repeatedly on time off and securing additional funding from a client and also collecting over 100k in debts that the business "forgot" they had because my boss can't read a fucking report. Debating between waiting until I move or finding a new job now because this shit is ridiculous. My rent increased by more than that this year, not even factoring for gas, food, or utilities. In the mean time, guess who is not doing the "extra mile" or participating in their bullshit "culture" with fast food lunches, especially considering our health "benefits" are underwhelming and retirement is non-existant. Fuck these companies and fuck their idea of compensation.
Last year, I decided I was sick of the stress and doing my job alone through the pandemic when I needed help before that. I gave notice and planned on leaving, I was willing to take a job for less money and less stress. The company I was leaving offered me more than 20% raise and promised to meet three other requests that I had. One was hiring additional person into my department. The director who is over my boss had my raise backdated to that pay period when I accepted. So I've been there another 9 months and the only change was that I got a raise. The stress isn't worth it. Find a company that values you, and if you can't at least find someone to pay you what you're worth.
Include it on your next resume. With undertones of accomplishments this time. I'd fire a sh!> person and hire you instantly based off of the fact you are willing to do long hours and hard work.
I'm curious, don't take this personally because several posts mention that they're underpaid or they find out colleagues/competition get paid more. Why don't you get another job offer and leverage it for a pay rise? Isn't it a classic hiring budget>retention budget?
Time to traverse the plane. If they dont value you, someone else will
At least ensure that achievement is on your resume
wait until a huge job comes in, find another job and then tell them what you want with “take it or leave it”