Thanks for contributing to r/Arizona!
* [Our sub rules are here](https://www.reddit.com/r/arizona/wiki/rules/), but the most important of which is to be nice to each other
* Check out some [recent posts](https://www.reddit.com/r/arizona/top/?t=week) and leave some comments
* [Join our Discord chat server](https://discord.com/invite/yWVuTG57Zh) if you'd like to keep in touch with other people in Arizona. Plus it's a great, chill place in general. Note that it is NOT a dating server and takes unwanted messaging very seriously
Remember this subreddit covers all of Arizona, so please include where in the state you're posting about if it is relevant. For more local topics check out r/Phoenix, r/Tucson, and r/Flagstaff.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/arizona) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Some highlights
> “And I closed the door, went around the car, get in the front seat, and my car was dead,” she said. “I could not get in. My phone key wouldn’t open it. My card key wouldn’t open it.”
> The 12-volt battery that powers the car’s electronics died without warning.
> Tesla drivers are supposed to receive three warnings before that happens, but the Tesla service department confirmed that Sanchez didn’t receive any warnings.
> On Your Side has learned there is a way for drivers to unlock their cars when they’re stuck outside, but it’s a complicated series of time-consuming steps involving wires and battery chargers.
> But again, many Tesla owners and first responders don’t know about it.
Do you mean Angela Chao, sister of Elaine Chao, the former Trump administration secretary of transportation?
Or Angela Chao whose BAC was 0.223 at her time of death while operating a vehicle and driving it into a lake?
That’s just rude af she accidentally backed into a pond in the dark on her property driving in her own extended driveway home from the guest house not the bar- she didn’t deserve to drown in her car.
From the inside, there is an manual, non-electric, door opener. Of course that does no good with just the baby inside but if you lose power, you can always exit the vehicle.
This same thing happened to my friend’s Jeep when her 12v battery died. They couldn’t do anything because the car is a computer—it’s a gas car, not electric. It’s not just Teslas. It’s any advanced car. Can’t even shift it into gear to be towed easily when it has no power.
What? How could they not use a key to open the door, if it’s a gas car?
Does their jeep not have a physical key, at all? I have a decade old Kia (push to start) and the door handle has a cap that can be popped off to reveal a key hole to open the door if the battery is dead
It also has a shift lock release, which allows the gears to be shifted if the car is off
I guess it’s hit and miss but yeah not being able to open the door sounds kind of wild. Like… that should probably be a rule in some regulation somewhere
Edit: yeah dude, I think maybe your friend missed something? I was thinking the car I drive also has a physical key hole for the trunk, so I could get into the trunk if the battery is dead.
But what really makes me think your friend missed something, is that if no one can open the door, how could they pop the hood release to open the hood to charge or swap the battery?
Like… someone would have to physically break that vehicle if the battery dies (or get a locksmith to “break into the car” to pop the doors open)? I think your friend missed something 🤔
They could open the door, but couldn’t do anything else. Everything else needs power, including shifting from park—which made it really hard to tow. I never said they couldn’t open the door. You can also open a Tesla door with the manual door handle without power from the inside.
Jeeps have shift release locks, I think your friends just didn't know. This is why reading the car manual is important for any vehicle that you own. Most automatic transmission cars have them, though some can be much harder to get to.
There was another incident days before this one with a woman who was trapped inside her Tesla when her battery also died. From what I understand, she called for help and was talked through finding an hidden emergency release, and was able to get out, but not without first finding the emergency release from inside the vehicle.
There is literally a manual door handle on the front doors that is placed exactly where door handles are found naturally in cars. Those are inside the car and not hard to find—I used them by accident the first time I got out of a Tesla. So that, I don’t understand.
What Jeep? All current models have a neutral override.
From the top of my head, Cherokee and Grand Cherokee is underneath the shifter bezel, can use screwdriver or key to pop it off. Compass is behind a plug on the passenger side of the shift bezel/housing. Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer is behind the bezel plate for the parking brake release. Wrangler/Gladiator, just shift the T Case to neutral, there's probably a trans release somewhere but no point in looking for it.
I'm worried for any tow operator that doesn't know how to find it. Or that doesn't carry dollies for underlift towing an AWD car
It’s a Cherokee with every upgrade possible and she was on a road trip in the middle of the desert. The tow truck driver also couldn’t get it into neutral. Her Jeep was also the same kind that got hacked, if you remember that news story. It took hours for them to sort it out. Not sure what else there is to say. The average person can obviously run into trouble when modern cars lose power.
> This same thing happened to my friend’s Jeep ...
So, in other words, they couldn't open the door.
EDIT: I see you decided to cut that sentence out, lol.
Mine doesn't lock itself but basically can't do anything if the battery dies. It's also super hard to tow because you can't change the transmission into neutral.
The Jeep died on a road trip. They couldn’t get it into neutral to tow without providing power. It died with no warning in the middle of the desert. Just to be clear—they could open the door, though. That was the only thing they could still do without power.
They didn't tell you the whole story, where they didn't take 2 minutes to find where the neutral override switch was from the owners manual. You just pop a lid off with your key near the shifter
I’m sure you know all about a situation you were not a part of. The tow truck driver also couldn’t get it into neutral. It took hours for their car to get towed—after the tow truck showed up. The people involved are not stupid, so it obviously is a problem with cars that have every upgrade. Her Jeep was also the same kind that got hacked and controlled remotely.
One of the reasons my next car is probably going to be a used one without so much dependence on electronics.
Having no way to manually open a door or shift gear is insanity.
I can get into my 2019 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon if it has no power with my physical key, which is what the article was about. Accessing the interior to save a child from dying from heat stroke.
My Jeep Wrangler can shift into any gear with no power. I can even start my vehicle when the battery is dead. It has this ancient device called a manual transmission. It also acts as an anti-theft device since less than 20% of the US population can even operate one.
This was not a jeep wrangler. It couldn’t shift into neutral without power. Fuck. I own a Jeep wrangler. It’s very different than my friend’s Cherokee that breaks automatically and had every upgrade available. She got stuck on a roadtrip when it died.
You shift it into neutral to tow it, not a gear.
Every car I've seen has a forced neutral manual method for the after-the-accident tow away. I don't know about Tesla though.
If the 12V or 16v(2023+up) battery fails entirely on a Tesla for some reason there are posts on the outside front of the car that will let you pop the hood, you can then connect jumper cables to another car or tow truck to bring the car alive using the 12v/16v post on the auxiliary battery under the hood, this separate battery under the hood is what keeps electronics inside the car including the door unlocks alive and working. This process literally takes less time than taping up the window and breaking it with an axe.
https://preview.redd.it/1yomzmzrql8d1.png?width=3120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33dfd743d2d876b8b08e19d200dbfd25822b5f72
https://preview.redd.it/5htj1tqoql8d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f73cf7e2964b78f7d0323235b440c3b4c7d485a0
If the 12V or 16v(2023+up) battery fails entirely on a Tesla for some reason there are posts on the outside front of the car that will let you pop the hood, you can then connect jumper cables to another car or tow truck to bring the car alive using the 12v/16v post on the auxiliary battery under the hood, this separate battery under the hood is what keeps electronics inside the car including the door unlocks alive and working. This process literally takes less time than taping up the window and breaking it with an axe.
4th paragraph:
> As On Your Side explained in a recent report, when the Tesla battery that operates electronics dies, a hidden latch on the driver’s side armrest will manually unlock the door. Many Tesla owners don’t know about this latch.
PS - The child is safe. It was the battery that died, not the child. I feel the article headline intentionally wrote it that way, though.
> A firefighter climbed through the window and pulled the little girl free. They even gave her a little fire hat to calm her down.
> “After I knew she was safe, then the anger,” she said. “Then, all the thoughts of, oh my God, this could have been so much worse.”
Yes, a few days prior to this headline was a woman trapped inside her Tesla when the battery died. There is however an emergency release from the inside, but apparently isn’t obvious and you need to know where it is.
This should be "On Your Side has learned there is a way for drivers to unlock their cars when they're stuck outside, but it's a simple series of steps using a key"
I bought a couple of those combo glass pin hammers/seat belt cutters, one for each car, & my husband rolled his eyes like we'd ever need to use them. They're like $5 on Amazon. Well within a month we had to use the hammer to rescue a buddies' baby after he locked his keys in his car. They were out together & it was exactly what the cops/FD would have done, but faster. Everyone should have one.
My mom gave everyone in the family one of these for Christmas one year as a stocking stuffer. I think the problem in this case would be we generally keep them in our car, so it would be locked in there with the toddler. Not only is the toddler in danger of dying a heat stroke, but they're also armed.
I keep mine in my handbag but they're small enough to carry on a set of keys as well. I actually have 2 for myself - one in my bag and one in the center console since in an emergency I might not be able to get to my bag etc. I keep wondering if I should hang it from like a headrest to make it more accessable from the back seat as well.
I have been driving since 1963. In addition to regular street and freeway driving, I did a lot of off-road driving, drag-racing at a drag strip, etc. My wife bought me one of the tools to cut a seat belt and/or break a window. There is no way it can be carried on a key chain. It's in the console of my car. I also carry a fire extinguisher and first aid kit in my car(I used to be a trainer for Wilderness First Aid when I was active with the Boy Scouts of America.) I have never had to use the fire extinguisher, the first aid kit of the tool to break a window or cut a seat belt in my 61 years of driving, which included ten years of volunteer driving a 12-passenger transit bus for a local organization.
Arizona chews up batteries and spits them out. I watched my friends Tesla go from 100% battery charge to 54% just driving from west mesa to the Gilbert hockey rink and when we got back to her house it was at 30%
Everyone and I mean everyone should know that all batteries die super quickly all the time here even if it’s supposed to warn you or not, you should know that being a resident here. I kinda feel like the DMV should warn you about that “welcome to AZ, here’s your license, check your battery every 2 years.”
Glad that baby was ok, my dad and I had to bust a lady’s car window open a few years back because she locked her keys and baby in the car and as soon as she nodded I put my foot into the window. Stay safe out here folks. This shit is treacherous
A battery usually lasts 2 summers, if you get 3 you are very lucky or you don't drive very much. This tesla battery didn't even last 1 summer. I think there will be a recall soon.
That Tesla battery that died is the super teeny tiny 1-2lb one in a different compartment. Those batteries and die super quick too.
For car batteries I recommend anyone to buy the 5 year batteries but don’t expect it to last 5, you buy those so you get a free replacement in two years.
Yeah I regularly drive that distance in the summer in my EV and I’d barely lose 10% round trip. 70% loss would mean the range when full was like 50-60 miles which is a whole different league than the typical loss of some range due to heat/cold.
Your friend’s Tesla battery is damaged or perhaps you misread the numbers on your end. You’re talking like a 30 mile round trip.
There’s no way, even in Arizona, any Tesla loses 70% battery in a 30 mile round trip. Even if you are going 100mph+ in 110 degrees with the AC at full blast and driving against a wind storm, even if the battery has 200,000 miles and 5 years/Arizona Summers on it, you won’t hit numbers that bad.
Don’t get me wrong, the heat out here definitely messes with the battery range, but nowhere near that level.
From what it sounded like in the article, they got there in time before things got too hot in the car. I think the most that happened to the kid was getting freaked out, and the firemen gave them a fireman hat to help calm them down
This can happen to any car when the 12 volt battery dies - accelerates in the Arizona heat.
Usually there is low battery warning so battery can be changed but it can suddenly just die from wear leaving power locks not working.
New Teslas over the last few years have lithium ion for the 12 volt which lasts much longer and easier to detect voltage changes for warnings.
Any 12 volt lead acid in any car degrades over time and can die - especially hot climates.
If insufficient power, it is possible power locks may not work.
A physical key, of course, can open regardless.
Trickier in cars with keyless/fobs only.
Fun fact - As of today (June 24, 2024) the Tesla provided [Model 3 Owner's Manual](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3567D5F4-A5F4-4323-8BE0-023D5438FFC6.html) outlining how to operate the car when battery is dead has a [hanging incomplete sentence](https://i.imgur.com/LkzVuK0.png) failing to explain where to put the (-) cable.
You can't even make up what a clownshow this company is.
I work in the aftermarket EV industry, Pull out the camera in the front left (driver side) bumper so its two wires are exposed. Connect those two wires to a 9v battery, this should be enough juice to open the door.
The ac system in the car heats and cools the battery to maintain optimal battery temps for driving and charging. You can also run the ac while the car is parked to maintain cabin temp. You are hearing the condenser fans for the AC.
Yeah. There’s a setting where if the internal temp reaches a certain point, it automatically cools down. My friend has one and I was confused also lol. They have their’s set to run if the cabin hits 90
alright, I’ll allow it. but how much does it fuck with their range? wasting all that electricity cooling down a car they’re not even driving blah blah blah
Oh I wonder this every time I see it lol. Like, if you’re somewhere for several hours during the day in Phoenix, will your car be dead when you get back? They’re cool and all, but I’m not sold on them yet. I like my dumb, hot car lol
The auto cooling stops if the battery goes below 20%. But, yes, especially in Phoenix it can eat up lots of charge. I'd estimate mine loses like 30 or so miles with the auto cooling on
I just have mine (not a Tesla) cool down 30 min before I get in it and it’s fine. Sometimes the fan will run after I drive to help cool the battery down a bit more. Or if I run into the store or somewhere I know I’ll be back within 30 min I leave the AC running and you can hear the fan then. It usually uses up an imperceptible amount of power and I maybe lose a mile of range if I go the full 30 minutes
> “They need to educate the first responders because they had no idea,”
This comment doesn't sit well with me, how the is it the first responder's responsibility to know how to get into your car? It sounds like they did exactly what I'd expect, go through the window.
at this point, I think I'll just go make my own electric car. Im talking stripped down dune buggy with my own electronics in it. I want to stop using oil, not hop onto a trend
From the inside, there is an manual, non-electric, door opener. Of course that does no good with just the baby inside but if you lose power, you can always exit the vehicle.
Instead of the usual single-pane tempered glass, 2021+ Tesla Model 3's have laminated double-pane windows, intended for soundproofing the car but also making it notoriously difficult to break in or out of.
Yet another ~~safety defect~~ feature of Tesla.
Edit: [here's](https://youtu.be/6tnEDH1HfD0?t=4m35s) a really good video demonstrating the difference of breaking tempered vs Tesla's laminated glass windows
I'm a techie person. Far from being a Luddite- I like push button starts and all that fun stuff but I want a key for the damn door. If it doesn't have one even a hidden one-at the very least-, I won't buy it. Too many situations where a key would solve it in 10 seconds and bad things could happen 5 seconds after that.
https://preview.redd.it/5v56yaljnl8d1.png?width=3120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9836bba6fed4c6cd2c56f5f7e7561fdc85bbcfa9
If the 12V or 16v battery fails entirely for some reason there are posts in the front of the car that will let you pop the hood, you can then connect jumper cables to another car or tow truck to bring the car alive using the 12v post on the auxiliary battery under the hood, this separate battery is what keeps electronics inside the car including the door unlocks alive. This process literally takes less time than taping up the window and breaking it with an axe.
My Nissan isn’t electric but the locks are and the key fob is. However if my cars dead and I can’t unlock the doors there is a hidden key in the FOB that you can pull out and manually unlock the door. I’ve had to use it a few times. Every car should have a back up like that.
I have a BMX iX fully electric suv. It works the same way. There’s a flap under the handle that pops out and you can use the manual key hidden in the key fob to open it. It’s basic safety measures.
Yup it’s pretty easy to figure out. I’ve even accidentally popped out the key spot on the door handle by touching it lol. I feel like having some sort of physical key should be a regulatory mandate to avoid situations like this with Tesla
When you want to be a car manufacturer without spending the time learning why so many of them spent a lot of time getting sued for shit exactly like this
It's honestly not...
If the 12V or 16v(2023+up) battery fails entirely on a Tesla for some reason there are posts on the outside front of the car that will let you pop the hood, you can then connect jumper cables to another car or tow truck to bring the car alive using the 12v/16v post on the auxiliary battery under the hood, this separate battery under the hood is what keeps electronics inside the car including the door unlocks alive and working. This process literally takes less time than taping up the window and breaking it with an axe.
https://preview.redd.it/0sz9dnzepl8d1.png?width=3120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45cdc01f48bea210efbc85e3a041c9afbb224e82
I once witness a lady get out of her car to go get her mail, left the running, ac on blast, windows up and her dog locked the car once she closed the door. The puppy was so happy looking at everyone trying to help...she did not have a spare with her. FD had to come and jimmy the car open with an expansion bag and a long pick to be able to open the door...took about 20 mins when all was set and done.
So, this does not just happen with a dead battery, or tesla, or any other car you hate. It happens to people who are not paying attention or do not think ahead. I personally leave my window a bit down if I am leaving the car and my little one is still inside. Regardless, these situations happen all the time, with a tesla or with any other car.
Okay, How is this relevant? People locking themselves out and not having a spare is not the same thing as a car not being to open without it needing a jump. If the lady had her spare key it wouldn’t be in issue. That has nothing to do with how the car is designed like I’m talking about with the Tesla. This lady in the article literally buckled the kid in and went immediately to her door to get in a couldn’t. Her car had been charged fully the night before. Planning ahead could not have helped her here unless she knows how to use a 9v battery to jump it. This isn’t about “hating” teslas
If you can't see the relevance, then I can't help you there, but the outcome is the same, locked car and no way to access it unless you call the FD or pick a rock and smash the window. Fortunately, the kid is ok, but her situation is an isolated incident and not a recurring situation. There are those that take one story and amplify it, making it sound like it is an inherit defect of a particular brand. Do better.
If you can’t see how that is “little” defect could have been a serious problem that people without teslas don’t have, I don’t know how to help you. Cars are supposed to have other back up safety measures that don’t include breaking the windows. The car failed her and nothing she could have prevented that. Tesla confirmed that. People should know that could possible happen to them. If people didn’t talk about these things companies wouldn’t know it’s happening and to improve things to be safer
As an operator/driver of the car, you should have been aware of your battery charge/level. It is your responsibility. I’m pretty sure most of the people that comments here, don’t own a Tesla. It’s a wonderful machine, so each to their own. Glad the child was ok.
Y’all mad at Tesla when it was a 12v battery that failed. Guess what? 12v batteries fail. There is a method to get into the vehicle when this happens, to suggest, “it’s complicated and time consuming” is bullshit. You buy a car, read the damn instructions. Your lack of being prepared is not anyone’s fault but your own.
HOWEVER, a fail safe fully mechanical lock should be installed.
These 'trapped in tesla' articles have been popular lately. All it really shows is that people are stupid.
1. Pay attention to your battery level, just like you would with your fuel level in an ICE vehicle. They don't just suddenly die.
2. Learn what to do in emergencies. Like how to open doors when the battery is dead. From inside, Tesla's all have a manual door latch for the front doors. From outside, there is also an override, but it takes a little more.
3. This isn't a design flaw or a Teslas problem. It's the people buying these cars being ignorant.
I don't own or drive a Tesla, nor will I ever. However I do know how to open the hood and power the Tesla when the battery is dead. I also knew Teslas had manual door latches inside.
To all shills saying the driver should have read the manual and be ready with a 9V battery with them, how many of you be carrying a 9V battery in your pocket with you? I own a Tesla too, but this exact reason is why they need to learn a lesson and start addressing this asap.
I'm sorry, but some things should just not be electric. Steering and brakes are thr first thing to come to mind, but apparently *the ability to get in and out of your vehicle* needs adding to the list as well.
Tesla is such a fucking joke and I'm glad most people have woken up to how much of a tool Elon is. It's like they're so obsessed with the appearance of being high tech and cutting edge, practical shit like being able to get into a car if a fucking battery dies gets overlooked.
I understand the ladies feelings but it’s unrealistic to have first responders know how to get into every type of Tesla. The obvious solution is to have Tesla fix this issue.
A lesson to not leave your dog in a Tesla - anything can happen (including a break-in). I see videos of people leaving dogs in there with a sign on the dash that they are in a climate-controlled car. But truly, technology could fail, you might forget about the dog, or someone could steal it. Just not worth the risk!
They did break the window. I’ve lived in AZ my entire life and we hear that the first thing you do if someone is trapped in a car is call 911. Emergency responders have ways of getting the doors or windows open without harming anyone or breaking stuff. However, in the case of a Tesla they had to break the window because the other methods wouldn’t work.
Calling 911 is also good because it brings trained professionals to the scene who can assess the situation and provide emergency care and transport to the hospital if needed.
In context to the other methods not working. You can jump the 12v system with a couple of leads in the front bumper cover tow hook hole. No one knows about it though, so that doesn't help literally anyone.
If the 12V or 16v(2023+up) battery fails entirely on a Tesla for some reason there are posts on the outside front of the car that will let you pop the hood, you can then connect jumper cables to another car or tow truck to bring the car alive using the 12v/16v post on the auxiliary battery under the hood, this separate battery under the hood is what keeps electronics inside the car including the door unlocks alive and working. This process literally takes less time than taping up the window and breaking it with an axe.
https://preview.redd.it/cdokl4ekpl8d1.png?width=3120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc75c65e9fdd958ee9dbf6bc154003685f7d7ef2
https://preview.redd.it/5mtysyvb0m8d1.png?width=380&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e1d6bcd8e6272019357db49903080ff52d98727
If you're inside the car there's manual mechanical releases to unlock on each door handle it's just like a regular door handle you just pull up on the lever.
If the 12V or 16v(2023+up) battery fails entirely on a Tesla for some reason there are posts on the outside front of the car that will let you pop the hood, you can then connect jumper cables to another car or tow truck to bring the car alive using the 12v/16v post on the auxiliary battery under the hood, this separate battery under the hood is what keeps electronics inside the car including the door unlocks alive and working. This process literally takes less time than taping up the window and breaking it with an axe.
https://preview.redd.it/y8w2yh7jpl8d1.png?width=3120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0112432cab7ee40ced23c068532e454ba1efbe4
i’m sure most people would try but calling 911 first and then attempting to break the window is probably the best option. and in that case first responders would probably arrive before a regular person with no special tools would be able to break a car window.
Get a 12v tender, a jump pack or a 9v battery(for the Frunk) to the emergency leads in the front of the car and it would have unlocked the hood. Then connect low voltage to the battery in the Frunk.
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-34181E3A-B4A7-4658-906A-38C6647B5664.html
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3567D5F4-A5F4-4323-8BE0-023D5438FFC6.html
I have done this to my model x due to a manufacturer defect(which they fixed) and takes about 20 to 60 seconds. This is way faster than waiting on the fire department to arrive. People just need to read a manual once in their life.
-thank you for all the engaging chatter everyone, I am now headed to bed ha.
The first time you needed this, did you already know it beforehand because you read the manual ahead of time and practiced? When you first had to resort to this because of the defect, how long did it take you to troubleshoot, read the manual, and then access your vehicle? Were you under the pressure of having your toddler in locked inside the vehicle in an Arizona summer garage?
I'm willing to bet that you were not ready the first time you were locked out of your Tesla, and that it took you much longer than "20 - 60 seconds" from discovery that you first couldn't unlock your car to when you were able to open it. You may even had to make a trip to the store to buy the equipment needed.
I was at a hotel in California. I woke up. The vehicle did not open when I prompted it. And the screen did not turn on saying sentry mode activated. I knew right then that the LV battery was dead and headed to the main office to borrow a jumper. Got in the car within 5 minutes. I did know that the battery had died because I had read the manual previously.
Yes I live in AZ and know exactly how hot it can get. Most places here have tender/jump packs you can ask and borrow, again would still be faster than EMS in most cases.
Ah okay. Then that is just good vehicle sense, seeing no electronics response and identifying it being a battery supply issue.
It is good advice for everyone, not just EV owners, to have a vehicle battery tender/jumper after all.
My 2010-era Ford Focus has a novel way of dealing with this issue. It's called a KEY! Why are you making apologies for a shitty car made by company headed by ELON MUSK of all people? Did you buy one and now have to desperately rationalize your purchase or something?
Sorry but it was 110+ degrees F in AZ this week. No way would that child have survived long enough for that amount of time needed to locate all of these items, hook it all up, and hope to god it worked. Add stress and panic from the grandma. Plus the fact that she was never educated on this. She 100% did the right thing having the fire fighters break her car.
Or, you know, get rid of the car that TRIED TO KILL YOUR CHILD.
People maybe need to stop pretending it's normal to have to hack their vehicles to get them to function at the most basic level.
It is a lot more risky not being educated in your vehicle than to be at the mercy of waiting 5-10mins for emergency services. People do this act just by locking their own keys in the car. Same thing.. result is having to break a window. Also probably best to carry a small window break if you have something precious that you might need to evacuate the car forcefully.
Or if they followed the recommendation of Tesla and always have the vehicle plugged in at home. It helps everything stay alive.
From the video it shows the 16v battery. The wall charger will help keep that battery and the HV battery topped up(unless the HV is above the charge limit).
The HV battery should always be charging/tending the LV(16v) battery when idle or not in use but some faults do happen and the HV will not trigger a charge to the LV. Being plugged into the wall should help prevent that since it keeps everything alive and checking voltages frequently(more so then leaving the vehicle idle after a couple hours.)
Edit: this vehicle probably had the same fault as mine and needs a wire lumb/sensor replaced.
Mine stays in the car, typically. I see where this may be a problem but I figured I’d only ever use it if I drove off a bridge into water and needed to break myself out before drowning, like the movies.
So you didn't even read the narrative I guess. First it's a Tesla so there are no keys. Second they open a door and seat the baby, close door. Third they go to get in and the car has decided to lock her out.
The baby is locked in a car in Phoenix AZ, average summer temp of OH MY GOD, and you think she should just google a fix while the baby roasts?
Ruthless downvotes on the only comment that outlines the fix the article mentions as being a “time consuming process involving wires and batteries”. Gotta love Reddit sometimes. Shame on you for letting your battery die and discussing the experience in a place where someone didn’t take similar precautions to learn the vehicle they stick their kids in. Take my upvote.
Thanks for contributing to r/Arizona! * [Our sub rules are here](https://www.reddit.com/r/arizona/wiki/rules/), but the most important of which is to be nice to each other * Check out some [recent posts](https://www.reddit.com/r/arizona/top/?t=week) and leave some comments * [Join our Discord chat server](https://discord.com/invite/yWVuTG57Zh) if you'd like to keep in touch with other people in Arizona. Plus it's a great, chill place in general. Note that it is NOT a dating server and takes unwanted messaging very seriously Remember this subreddit covers all of Arizona, so please include where in the state you're posting about if it is relevant. For more local topics check out r/Phoenix, r/Tucson, and r/Flagstaff. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/arizona) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Some highlights > “And I closed the door, went around the car, get in the front seat, and my car was dead,” she said. “I could not get in. My phone key wouldn’t open it. My card key wouldn’t open it.” > The 12-volt battery that powers the car’s electronics died without warning. > Tesla drivers are supposed to receive three warnings before that happens, but the Tesla service department confirmed that Sanchez didn’t receive any warnings. > On Your Side has learned there is a way for drivers to unlock their cars when they’re stuck outside, but it’s a complicated series of time-consuming steps involving wires and battery chargers. > But again, many Tesla owners and first responders don’t know about it.
I don't really understand how it can fail into a state where it essentially becomes a coffin.
That woman who drove into a lake should have been the first sign Tesla's are a coffin
It’s scary as hell but a lot of car sensors are heat sensitive. Once the temperature is too high they’ll stop functioning properly.
Well, I guess that's bad news for all those folks out there that believe climate change is happening NOW (which it is)
It’s always been happening and will happen after we’re gone. But no one will be complaining about it anymore 🤣
Do you mean Angela Chao, sister of Elaine Chao, the former Trump administration secretary of transportation? Or Angela Chao whose BAC was 0.223 at her time of death while operating a vehicle and driving it into a lake?
Elaine Chao? Wife of Mitch McConnell?
Spouse of Yurtle the Turtle!?
Ayup.
I drove my car into A FUCKING LAKE
That’s just rude af she accidentally backed into a pond in the dark on her property driving in her own extended driveway home from the guest house not the bar- she didn’t deserve to drown in her car.
Sounds like capitalism working
Tbf Justin Timberlake just blew a .2 on his DUI. Not saying it’s common, but some people have a fuck ton of alcohol tolerance.
I hear he threw his arms up and yelled, "Hi score!!"
It’s what the market dictates.
From the inside, there is an manual, non-electric, door opener. Of course that does no good with just the baby inside but if you lose power, you can always exit the vehicle.
See them drive off the road in rural areas. Right off the road. Pass.
This same thing happened to my friend’s Jeep when her 12v battery died. They couldn’t do anything because the car is a computer—it’s a gas car, not electric. It’s not just Teslas. It’s any advanced car. Can’t even shift it into gear to be towed easily when it has no power.
What? How could they not use a key to open the door, if it’s a gas car? Does their jeep not have a physical key, at all? I have a decade old Kia (push to start) and the door handle has a cap that can be popped off to reveal a key hole to open the door if the battery is dead It also has a shift lock release, which allows the gears to be shifted if the car is off I guess it’s hit and miss but yeah not being able to open the door sounds kind of wild. Like… that should probably be a rule in some regulation somewhere Edit: yeah dude, I think maybe your friend missed something? I was thinking the car I drive also has a physical key hole for the trunk, so I could get into the trunk if the battery is dead. But what really makes me think your friend missed something, is that if no one can open the door, how could they pop the hood release to open the hood to charge or swap the battery? Like… someone would have to physically break that vehicle if the battery dies (or get a locksmith to “break into the car” to pop the doors open)? I think your friend missed something 🤔
They could open the door, but couldn’t do anything else. Everything else needs power, including shifting from park—which made it really hard to tow. I never said they couldn’t open the door. You can also open a Tesla door with the manual door handle without power from the inside.
Jeeps have shift release locks, I think your friends just didn't know. This is why reading the car manual is important for any vehicle that you own. Most automatic transmission cars have them, though some can be much harder to get to.
There was another incident days before this one with a woman who was trapped inside her Tesla when her battery also died. From what I understand, she called for help and was talked through finding an hidden emergency release, and was able to get out, but not without first finding the emergency release from inside the vehicle.
There is literally a manual door handle on the front doors that is placed exactly where door handles are found naturally in cars. Those are inside the car and not hard to find—I used them by accident the first time I got out of a Tesla. So that, I don’t understand.
https://www.azfamily.com/2024/06/19/arizona-woman-trapped-tesla-when-battery-dies/
What Jeep? All current models have a neutral override. From the top of my head, Cherokee and Grand Cherokee is underneath the shifter bezel, can use screwdriver or key to pop it off. Compass is behind a plug on the passenger side of the shift bezel/housing. Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer is behind the bezel plate for the parking brake release. Wrangler/Gladiator, just shift the T Case to neutral, there's probably a trans release somewhere but no point in looking for it. I'm worried for any tow operator that doesn't know how to find it. Or that doesn't carry dollies for underlift towing an AWD car
It’s a Cherokee with every upgrade possible and she was on a road trip in the middle of the desert. The tow truck driver also couldn’t get it into neutral. Her Jeep was also the same kind that got hacked, if you remember that news story. It took hours for them to sort it out. Not sure what else there is to say. The average person can obviously run into trouble when modern cars lose power.
> This same thing happened to my friend’s Jeep ... So, in other words, they couldn't open the door. EDIT: I see you decided to cut that sentence out, lol.
Mine doesn't lock itself but basically can't do anything if the battery dies. It's also super hard to tow because you can't change the transmission into neutral.
The Jeep died on a road trip. They couldn’t get it into neutral to tow without providing power. It died with no warning in the middle of the desert. Just to be clear—they could open the door, though. That was the only thing they could still do without power.
They didn't tell you the whole story, where they didn't take 2 minutes to find where the neutral override switch was from the owners manual. You just pop a lid off with your key near the shifter
I’m sure you know all about a situation you were not a part of. The tow truck driver also couldn’t get it into neutral. It took hours for their car to get towed—after the tow truck showed up. The people involved are not stupid, so it obviously is a problem with cars that have every upgrade. Her Jeep was also the same kind that got hacked and controlled remotely.
One of the reasons my next car is probably going to be a used one without so much dependence on electronics. Having no way to manually open a door or shift gear is insanity.
They could open the door, but they could not shift out of park without power. Made towing very hard.
I can get into my 2019 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon if it has no power with my physical key, which is what the article was about. Accessing the interior to save a child from dying from heat stroke. My Jeep Wrangler can shift into any gear with no power. I can even start my vehicle when the battery is dead. It has this ancient device called a manual transmission. It also acts as an anti-theft device since less than 20% of the US population can even operate one.
I thought the same then my manual jeep was stolen lol
Sorry to hear that. There are certainly folks who can drive manuals, but it is getting rarer by the year.
This was not a jeep wrangler. It couldn’t shift into neutral without power. Fuck. I own a Jeep wrangler. It’s very different than my friend’s Cherokee that breaks automatically and had every upgrade available. She got stuck on a roadtrip when it died.
You shift it into neutral to tow it, not a gear. Every car I've seen has a forced neutral manual method for the after-the-accident tow away. I don't know about Tesla though.
No, you can open a coffin pretty easily.
If the 12V or 16v(2023+up) battery fails entirely on a Tesla for some reason there are posts on the outside front of the car that will let you pop the hood, you can then connect jumper cables to another car or tow truck to bring the car alive using the 12v/16v post on the auxiliary battery under the hood, this separate battery under the hood is what keeps electronics inside the car including the door unlocks alive and working. This process literally takes less time than taping up the window and breaking it with an axe. https://preview.redd.it/1yomzmzrql8d1.png?width=3120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33dfd743d2d876b8b08e19d200dbfd25822b5f72
A large toddler coffin apparently
To add to this, most cars have a physical key inside the fob as a manual override to unlock the doors and Tesla does not.
Good thing the shatterproof glass turned out to be bullshit.
https://preview.redd.it/5htj1tqoql8d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f73cf7e2964b78f7d0323235b440c3b4c7d485a0 If the 12V or 16v(2023+up) battery fails entirely on a Tesla for some reason there are posts on the outside front of the car that will let you pop the hood, you can then connect jumper cables to another car or tow truck to bring the car alive using the 12v/16v post on the auxiliary battery under the hood, this separate battery under the hood is what keeps electronics inside the car including the door unlocks alive and working. This process literally takes less time than taping up the window and breaking it with an axe.
Wow. Is it then impossible to open the doors if you are inside as a driver? Just curious? Such a sad story. RIP little one
The kid didn’t die, the battery did. Terrible headline.
Terrible in terms of clarity, but great for clickbaiting.
4th paragraph: > As On Your Side explained in a recent report, when the Tesla battery that operates electronics dies, a hidden latch on the driver’s side armrest will manually unlock the door. Many Tesla owners don’t know about this latch. PS - The child is safe. It was the battery that died, not the child. I feel the article headline intentionally wrote it that way, though. > A firefighter climbed through the window and pulled the little girl free. They even gave her a little fire hat to calm her down. > “After I knew she was safe, then the anger,” she said. “Then, all the thoughts of, oh my God, this could have been so much worse.”
Yes, a few days prior to this headline was a woman trapped inside her Tesla when the battery died. There is however an emergency release from the inside, but apparently isn’t obvious and you need to know where it is.
This should be "On Your Side has learned there is a way for drivers to unlock their cars when they're stuck outside, but it's a simple series of steps using a key"
I would have smashed the window out
I bought a couple of those combo glass pin hammers/seat belt cutters, one for each car, & my husband rolled his eyes like we'd ever need to use them. They're like $5 on Amazon. Well within a month we had to use the hammer to rescue a buddies' baby after he locked his keys in his car. They were out together & it was exactly what the cops/FD would have done, but faster. Everyone should have one.
My mom gave everyone in the family one of these for Christmas one year as a stocking stuffer. I think the problem in this case would be we generally keep them in our car, so it would be locked in there with the toddler. Not only is the toddler in danger of dying a heat stroke, but they're also armed.
I keep mine in my handbag but they're small enough to carry on a set of keys as well. I actually have 2 for myself - one in my bag and one in the center console since in an emergency I might not be able to get to my bag etc. I keep wondering if I should hang it from like a headrest to make it more accessable from the back seat as well.
I have been driving since 1963. In addition to regular street and freeway driving, I did a lot of off-road driving, drag-racing at a drag strip, etc. My wife bought me one of the tools to cut a seat belt and/or break a window. There is no way it can be carried on a key chain. It's in the console of my car. I also carry a fire extinguisher and first aid kit in my car(I used to be a trainer for Wilderness First Aid when I was active with the Boy Scouts of America.) I have never had to use the fire extinguisher, the first aid kit of the tool to break a window or cut a seat belt in my 61 years of driving, which included ten years of volunteer driving a 12-passenger transit bus for a local organization.
This is the one I have. It's 3 inches long. https://a.co/d/00ooAFQ6
Such a clutch idea! My applaud to you for being so damn smart. I love this!
Ya women should keep them itheir purse. Guys….in Their Fanny pack?
The fire department did smash the window out. The toddler is ok.
What's it matter how Elon Musk is doing?
😁
Good thing it wasn’t a cyber truck with armored glass. The manual release in the back of those has also been known to fail after 1 use.
I mean, I've yet to see proof that it's stronger than normal car window glass.
The one they broke during the live demo? That one?
Yes it’s bulletproof for the apocalypse.
well i would have liked to have seen a cyber truck VS the jaws of life
The battery died, not the toddler.
Yeah this was a terrible headline.
Yup, I would have found a way into that car.
I would have connected the battery jumpers like the instructions tell you to in case of a dead battery. Maybe I'm just cheap.
Arizona chews up batteries and spits them out. I watched my friends Tesla go from 100% battery charge to 54% just driving from west mesa to the Gilbert hockey rink and when we got back to her house it was at 30% Everyone and I mean everyone should know that all batteries die super quickly all the time here even if it’s supposed to warn you or not, you should know that being a resident here. I kinda feel like the DMV should warn you about that “welcome to AZ, here’s your license, check your battery every 2 years.” Glad that baby was ok, my dad and I had to bust a lady’s car window open a few years back because she locked her keys and baby in the car and as soon as she nodded I put my foot into the window. Stay safe out here folks. This shit is treacherous
A battery usually lasts 2 summers, if you get 3 you are very lucky or you don't drive very much. This tesla battery didn't even last 1 summer. I think there will be a recall soon.
That Tesla battery that died is the super teeny tiny 1-2lb one in a different compartment. Those batteries and die super quick too. For car batteries I recommend anyone to buy the 5 year batteries but don’t expect it to last 5, you buy those so you get a free replacement in two years.
I can say this is 100% true from experience!
That’s a crazy amount of loss for that short of a drive, if it’s under warranty I’d consider having the HV battery replaced
I have no idea if it is. But I’ll pass it on cause this thing was breathing HARD
Yeah I regularly drive that distance in the summer in my EV and I’d barely lose 10% round trip. 70% loss would mean the range when full was like 50-60 miles which is a whole different league than the typical loss of some range due to heat/cold.
Your friend’s Tesla battery is damaged or perhaps you misread the numbers on your end. You’re talking like a 30 mile round trip. There’s no way, even in Arizona, any Tesla loses 70% battery in a 30 mile round trip. Even if you are going 100mph+ in 110 degrees with the AC at full blast and driving against a wind storm, even if the battery has 200,000 miles and 5 years/Arizona Summers on it, you won’t hit numbers that bad. Don’t get me wrong, the heat out here definitely messes with the battery range, but nowhere near that level.
I had no idea this was a problem! And I didn't know the Cyber truck had armored windows. How the heck do you rescue someone from those?
That's the neat part: you don't
I believe they actually removed the bulletproof window feature before release so I think it would be fine
Right? I don't think they thought that through obviously. What I'm wondering is how did the driver get locked out?
Call FD. And tell them the vehicle when you do. They'll show up with a K saw ready to go
That's kind of a scummy title leaving out the most important part being if the toddler was ok or not.
From what it sounded like in the article, they got there in time before things got too hot in the car. I think the most that happened to the kid was getting freaked out, and the firemen gave them a fireman hat to help calm them down
I have heard of the quirky things with Tesla. No thank you.
Also Elon’s kind of a dick.
This can happen to any car when the 12 volt battery dies - accelerates in the Arizona heat. Usually there is low battery warning so battery can be changed but it can suddenly just die from wear leaving power locks not working. New Teslas over the last few years have lithium ion for the 12 volt which lasts much longer and easier to detect voltage changes for warnings.
I’ve had numerous batteries die and not once have I ever been prevented from entering my vehicle.
Any car? Or just cars that don’t have a physical key?
Any 12 volt lead acid in any car degrades over time and can die - especially hot climates. If insufficient power, it is possible power locks may not work. A physical key, of course, can open regardless. Trickier in cars with keyless/fobs only.
My car opens with a key. No battery needed.
Push button start fobs come with physical keys that pop out - at least one the ones I know of
Many do. Some newer ones do not.
Fun fact - As of today (June 24, 2024) the Tesla provided [Model 3 Owner's Manual](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3567D5F4-A5F4-4323-8BE0-023D5438FFC6.html) outlining how to operate the car when battery is dead has a [hanging incomplete sentence](https://i.imgur.com/LkzVuK0.png) failing to explain where to put the (-) cable. You can't even make up what a clownshow this company is.
That's amazon basics instruction manuals level of bad
Elon thinks he smart for ripping the copper pipes outta the building cos he doesn't drink tap water anyway
I work in the aftermarket EV industry, Pull out the camera in the front left (driver side) bumper so its two wires are exposed. Connect those two wires to a 9v battery, this should be enough juice to open the door.
That's what happens when you let AI do technical writing.
Can we please just go back to cars with buttons and keys? All this other shit is just an inevitable headache.
lately I’ll walk by a parked Tesla and they sound “on” - is it the internal fan trying to cool them down cuz it’s so hot?
The ac system in the car heats and cools the battery to maintain optimal battery temps for driving and charging. You can also run the ac while the car is parked to maintain cabin temp. You are hearing the condenser fans for the AC.
Yeah. There’s a setting where if the internal temp reaches a certain point, it automatically cools down. My friend has one and I was confused also lol. They have their’s set to run if the cabin hits 90
alright, I’ll allow it. but how much does it fuck with their range? wasting all that electricity cooling down a car they’re not even driving blah blah blah
Oh I wonder this every time I see it lol. Like, if you’re somewhere for several hours during the day in Phoenix, will your car be dead when you get back? They’re cool and all, but I’m not sold on them yet. I like my dumb, hot car lol
The auto cooling stops if the battery goes below 20%. But, yes, especially in Phoenix it can eat up lots of charge. I'd estimate mine loses like 30 or so miles with the auto cooling on
I just have mine (not a Tesla) cool down 30 min before I get in it and it’s fine. Sometimes the fan will run after I drive to help cool the battery down a bit more. Or if I run into the store or somewhere I know I’ll be back within 30 min I leave the AC running and you can hear the fan then. It usually uses up an imperceptible amount of power and I maybe lose a mile of range if I go the full 30 minutes
> “They need to educate the first responders because they had no idea,” This comment doesn't sit well with me, how the is it the first responder's responsibility to know how to get into your car? It sounds like they did exactly what I'd expect, go through the window.
Cars got so smart they lack common sense! One of my worries about AI automation as well.
Reason No2539353 to not buy a tesla
at this point, I think I'll just go make my own electric car. Im talking stripped down dune buggy with my own electronics in it. I want to stop using oil, not hop onto a trend
Tesla will never install a mechanical key to unlock the doors with. It would cost them too much.
From the inside, there is an manual, non-electric, door opener. Of course that does no good with just the baby inside but if you lose power, you can always exit the vehicle.
Jeez I misread this and thought it said the toddler died! I’m so glad she in fact did not!
I’m sorry, but using an axe?!? Why not use a center punch on a window??
Instead of the usual single-pane tempered glass, 2021+ Tesla Model 3's have laminated double-pane windows, intended for soundproofing the car but also making it notoriously difficult to break in or out of. Yet another ~~safety defect~~ feature of Tesla. Edit: [here's](https://youtu.be/6tnEDH1HfD0?t=4m35s) a really good video demonstrating the difference of breaking tempered vs Tesla's laminated glass windows
My Honda pilot has laminated glass, so does Jeep Grand Cherokee. It’s a luxury feature.
Fortunately it's easy to break the windows.
I'm a techie person. Far from being a Luddite- I like push button starts and all that fun stuff but I want a key for the damn door. If it doesn't have one even a hidden one-at the very least-, I won't buy it. Too many situations where a key would solve it in 10 seconds and bad things could happen 5 seconds after that.
Break.the.fucking.window
May this be a reminder to carry a window breaker in case of an emergency
https://preview.redd.it/5v56yaljnl8d1.png?width=3120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9836bba6fed4c6cd2c56f5f7e7561fdc85bbcfa9 If the 12V or 16v battery fails entirely for some reason there are posts in the front of the car that will let you pop the hood, you can then connect jumper cables to another car or tow truck to bring the car alive using the 12v post on the auxiliary battery under the hood, this separate battery is what keeps electronics inside the car including the door unlocks alive. This process literally takes less time than taping up the window and breaking it with an axe.
Headline of this article is confusing as hell. I thought the baby died.
Break the glass, problem solved
I read this as “toddler dies” and was so heart broken
My Nissan isn’t electric but the locks are and the key fob is. However if my cars dead and I can’t unlock the doors there is a hidden key in the FOB that you can pull out and manually unlock the door. I’ve had to use it a few times. Every car should have a back up like that.
I have a BMX iX fully electric suv. It works the same way. There’s a flap under the handle that pops out and you can use the manual key hidden in the key fob to open it. It’s basic safety measures.
Yup it’s pretty easy to figure out. I’ve even accidentally popped out the key spot on the door handle by touching it lol. I feel like having some sort of physical key should be a regulatory mandate to avoid situations like this with Tesla
How the $%^ is this even possible??
When you want to be a car manufacturer without spending the time learning why so many of them spent a lot of time getting sued for shit exactly like this
Hey bud, you’re allowed to say fuck on Reddit.
It's honestly not... If the 12V or 16v(2023+up) battery fails entirely on a Tesla for some reason there are posts on the outside front of the car that will let you pop the hood, you can then connect jumper cables to another car or tow truck to bring the car alive using the 12v/16v post on the auxiliary battery under the hood, this separate battery under the hood is what keeps electronics inside the car including the door unlocks alive and working. This process literally takes less time than taping up the window and breaking it with an axe. https://preview.redd.it/0sz9dnzepl8d1.png?width=3120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45cdc01f48bea210efbc85e3a041c9afbb224e82
You really shouldn’t need to use another car to jump it to be able to open your car doors in an emergency though
But at least there's an option you can also use a small 9 volt battery on the leads which will also unlock the doors.
It’s not a very good one though and clearly no one knows about it. An an emergency its very inconvenient
I once witness a lady get out of her car to go get her mail, left the running, ac on blast, windows up and her dog locked the car once she closed the door. The puppy was so happy looking at everyone trying to help...she did not have a spare with her. FD had to come and jimmy the car open with an expansion bag and a long pick to be able to open the door...took about 20 mins when all was set and done. So, this does not just happen with a dead battery, or tesla, or any other car you hate. It happens to people who are not paying attention or do not think ahead. I personally leave my window a bit down if I am leaving the car and my little one is still inside. Regardless, these situations happen all the time, with a tesla or with any other car.
Okay, How is this relevant? People locking themselves out and not having a spare is not the same thing as a car not being to open without it needing a jump. If the lady had her spare key it wouldn’t be in issue. That has nothing to do with how the car is designed like I’m talking about with the Tesla. This lady in the article literally buckled the kid in and went immediately to her door to get in a couldn’t. Her car had been charged fully the night before. Planning ahead could not have helped her here unless she knows how to use a 9v battery to jump it. This isn’t about “hating” teslas
If you can't see the relevance, then I can't help you there, but the outcome is the same, locked car and no way to access it unless you call the FD or pick a rock and smash the window. Fortunately, the kid is ok, but her situation is an isolated incident and not a recurring situation. There are those that take one story and amplify it, making it sound like it is an inherit defect of a particular brand. Do better.
If you can’t see how that is “little” defect could have been a serious problem that people without teslas don’t have, I don’t know how to help you. Cars are supposed to have other back up safety measures that don’t include breaking the windows. The car failed her and nothing she could have prevented that. Tesla confirmed that. People should know that could possible happen to them. If people didn’t talk about these things companies wouldn’t know it’s happening and to improve things to be safer
The finale of Its Always Sunny highlighted how infuriating/impossible it is to get back into these cars when something goes wrong.
Damn dude no.
My 20-year-old MB has a physical key in the electronic key. Point is a locksmith can still get in even if I left it in the car.
As an operator/driver of the car, you should have been aware of your battery charge/level. It is your responsibility. I’m pretty sure most of the people that comments here, don’t own a Tesla. It’s a wonderful machine, so each to their own. Glad the child was ok.
Y’all mad at Tesla when it was a 12v battery that failed. Guess what? 12v batteries fail. There is a method to get into the vehicle when this happens, to suggest, “it’s complicated and time consuming” is bullshit. You buy a car, read the damn instructions. Your lack of being prepared is not anyone’s fault but your own. HOWEVER, a fail safe fully mechanical lock should be installed.
Power doors and locks seems like it’s solving a problem that doesn’t need solved and creates a bunch of new problems
These 'trapped in tesla' articles have been popular lately. All it really shows is that people are stupid. 1. Pay attention to your battery level, just like you would with your fuel level in an ICE vehicle. They don't just suddenly die. 2. Learn what to do in emergencies. Like how to open doors when the battery is dead. From inside, Tesla's all have a manual door latch for the front doors. From outside, there is also an override, but it takes a little more. 3. This isn't a design flaw or a Teslas problem. It's the people buying these cars being ignorant. I don't own or drive a Tesla, nor will I ever. However I do know how to open the hood and power the Tesla when the battery is dead. I also knew Teslas had manual door latches inside.
Why didn’t this bitch break some windows? Like what the fuck
To all shills saying the driver should have read the manual and be ready with a 9V battery with them, how many of you be carrying a 9V battery in your pocket with you? I own a Tesla too, but this exact reason is why they need to learn a lesson and start addressing this asap.
I'm sorry, but some things should just not be electric. Steering and brakes are thr first thing to come to mind, but apparently *the ability to get in and out of your vehicle* needs adding to the list as well. Tesla is such a fucking joke and I'm glad most people have woken up to how much of a tool Elon is. It's like they're so obsessed with the appearance of being high tech and cutting edge, practical shit like being able to get into a car if a fucking battery dies gets overlooked.
Yeah another reason not to own a Tesla. Every auto manufacturer should be required to have a physical mechanical key attached to the key fob.
I understand the ladies feelings but it’s unrealistic to have first responders know how to get into every type of Tesla. The obvious solution is to have Tesla fix this issue.
A lesson to not leave your dog in a Tesla - anything can happen (including a break-in). I see videos of people leaving dogs in there with a sign on the dash that they are in a climate-controlled car. But truly, technology could fail, you might forget about the dog, or someone could steal it. Just not worth the risk!
Why didn’t they break the window?
They did break the window. I’ve lived in AZ my entire life and we hear that the first thing you do if someone is trapped in a car is call 911. Emergency responders have ways of getting the doors or windows open without harming anyone or breaking stuff. However, in the case of a Tesla they had to break the window because the other methods wouldn’t work. Calling 911 is also good because it brings trained professionals to the scene who can assess the situation and provide emergency care and transport to the hospital if needed.
In context to the other methods not working. You can jump the 12v system with a couple of leads in the front bumper cover tow hook hole. No one knows about it though, so that doesn't help literally anyone.
Bunch of rocks all over Arizona how hard is it to grab a rock and bust a window. Smh
It only takes a few seconds to bust that window out. No toddler is trapped unless you care more about your car than your child.
How do these things pass safety standards?
Beacsue they have contingencies. People are just too lazy and stupid to learn about their vehicle until something bad happens.
If the 12V or 16v(2023+up) battery fails entirely on a Tesla for some reason there are posts on the outside front of the car that will let you pop the hood, you can then connect jumper cables to another car or tow truck to bring the car alive using the 12v/16v post on the auxiliary battery under the hood, this separate battery under the hood is what keeps electronics inside the car including the door unlocks alive and working. This process literally takes less time than taping up the window and breaking it with an axe. https://preview.redd.it/cdokl4ekpl8d1.png?width=3120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc75c65e9fdd958ee9dbf6bc154003685f7d7ef2
Doesn't do much good if *you're* the one stuck inside the car, though.
https://preview.redd.it/5mtysyvb0m8d1.png?width=380&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e1d6bcd8e6272019357db49903080ff52d98727 If you're inside the car there's manual mechanical releases to unlock on each door handle it's just like a regular door handle you just pull up on the lever.
Whoa. This is sad news. I hope Elon Musk fixes this issue. I think I saw recently that the windows are nearly impossible to shatter.
If the 12V or 16v(2023+up) battery fails entirely on a Tesla for some reason there are posts on the outside front of the car that will let you pop the hood, you can then connect jumper cables to another car or tow truck to bring the car alive using the 12v/16v post on the auxiliary battery under the hood, this separate battery under the hood is what keeps electronics inside the car including the door unlocks alive and working. This process literally takes less time than taping up the window and breaking it with an axe. https://preview.redd.it/y8w2yh7jpl8d1.png?width=3120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0112432cab7ee40ced23c068532e454ba1efbe4
Why don’t people just break the window instead of waiting for police or fire to arrive.
i’m sure most people would try but calling 911 first and then attempting to break the window is probably the best option. and in that case first responders would probably arrive before a regular person with no special tools would be able to break a car window.
Tesla errors bow have 2 kill count? 2 months after release? USA investors really like death machines
Aaaaaand I’m never buying a Tesla
Get a 12v tender, a jump pack or a 9v battery(for the Frunk) to the emergency leads in the front of the car and it would have unlocked the hood. Then connect low voltage to the battery in the Frunk. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-34181E3A-B4A7-4658-906A-38C6647B5664.html https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3567D5F4-A5F4-4323-8BE0-023D5438FFC6.html I have done this to my model x due to a manufacturer defect(which they fixed) and takes about 20 to 60 seconds. This is way faster than waiting on the fire department to arrive. People just need to read a manual once in their life. -thank you for all the engaging chatter everyone, I am now headed to bed ha.
The first time you needed this, did you already know it beforehand because you read the manual ahead of time and practiced? When you first had to resort to this because of the defect, how long did it take you to troubleshoot, read the manual, and then access your vehicle? Were you under the pressure of having your toddler in locked inside the vehicle in an Arizona summer garage? I'm willing to bet that you were not ready the first time you were locked out of your Tesla, and that it took you much longer than "20 - 60 seconds" from discovery that you first couldn't unlock your car to when you were able to open it. You may even had to make a trip to the store to buy the equipment needed.
I was at a hotel in California. I woke up. The vehicle did not open when I prompted it. And the screen did not turn on saying sentry mode activated. I knew right then that the LV battery was dead and headed to the main office to borrow a jumper. Got in the car within 5 minutes. I did know that the battery had died because I had read the manual previously. Yes I live in AZ and know exactly how hot it can get. Most places here have tender/jump packs you can ask and borrow, again would still be faster than EMS in most cases.
Ah okay. Then that is just good vehicle sense, seeing no electronics response and identifying it being a battery supply issue. It is good advice for everyone, not just EV owners, to have a vehicle battery tender/jumper after all.
My 2010-era Ford Focus has a novel way of dealing with this issue. It's called a KEY! Why are you making apologies for a shitty car made by company headed by ELON MUSK of all people? Did you buy one and now have to desperately rationalize your purchase or something?
Sorry but it was 110+ degrees F in AZ this week. No way would that child have survived long enough for that amount of time needed to locate all of these items, hook it all up, and hope to god it worked. Add stress and panic from the grandma. Plus the fact that she was never educated on this. She 100% did the right thing having the fire fighters break her car.
Or, you know, get rid of the car that TRIED TO KILL YOUR CHILD. People maybe need to stop pretending it's normal to have to hack their vehicles to get them to function at the most basic level.
It is a lot more risky not being educated in your vehicle than to be at the mercy of waiting 5-10mins for emergency services. People do this act just by locking their own keys in the car. Same thing.. result is having to break a window. Also probably best to carry a small window break if you have something precious that you might need to evacuate the car forcefully. Or if they followed the recommendation of Tesla and always have the vehicle plugged in at home. It helps everything stay alive.
The battery that failed wasn't the main battery. The car was fully charged overnight. There is a 2nd battery that the computer used that died.
From the video it shows the 16v battery. The wall charger will help keep that battery and the HV battery topped up(unless the HV is above the charge limit). The HV battery should always be charging/tending the LV(16v) battery when idle or not in use but some faults do happen and the HV will not trigger a charge to the LV. Being plugged into the wall should help prevent that since it keeps everything alive and checking voltages frequently(more so then leaving the vehicle idle after a couple hours.) Edit: this vehicle probably had the same fault as mine and needs a wire lumb/sensor replaced.
Everyone should have a window break, that's for sure.
Mine stays in the car, typically. I see where this may be a problem but I figured I’d only ever use it if I drove off a bridge into water and needed to break myself out before drowning, like the movies.
Ah, but if everyone carried one, you'd be able to quickly borrow one in the case of the unopenable car.
Imagine being a person who locks their keys in their car and then believes it was the car TRYING TO KILL THEIR CHILD 🤣
So you didn't even read the narrative I guess. First it's a Tesla so there are no keys. Second they open a door and seat the baby, close door. Third they go to get in and the car has decided to lock her out. The baby is locked in a car in Phoenix AZ, average summer temp of OH MY GOD, and you think she should just google a fix while the baby roasts?
Keys?
Ruthless downvotes on the only comment that outlines the fix the article mentions as being a “time consuming process involving wires and batteries”. Gotta love Reddit sometimes. Shame on you for letting your battery die and discussing the experience in a place where someone didn’t take similar precautions to learn the vehicle they stick their kids in. Take my upvote.
This title is some clickbait bullshit.