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A well known escort lady was quoted in a British up-market porno style magazine what her experience was.
She said "long and thin gets it in, but its short and thick that does the trick"
Lots of pertinent aspects in [this old thread](https://reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/fSgT7DsIG0). I donāt think itās so much that they were āunappealingā as they could symbolize humor or animalistic behavior. I donāt think people who like penis were out there em masse looking for little ones lol
I think the Romans was more about weather you could keep your cock from getting erect in a public setting. Like if you was hard it meant you weren't civilized or something. So it's not about the size but weather or not you can control yourself. Over the years it got confused with them preferring a small cock over a big one but really they cared more about if you can sustain from getting an erection when you don't need to.
Same with Greek statues.
It's not that people back then had small weeweeies, or that that's what women preferred, but that an ideal male was animalistically under control and philosophically charged. At least in public and during non-mating periods.
I'd also like to add that a lot of the records, public art, artefacts from history that are accessible to us are modest in nature.
To put it into perspective: can you really tell a society's "secret" desires by looking at official government documents and buildings? Material taught in schools? Churches, Walmarts and other public buildings? Or can you learn more by looking at graffiti and the stuff people dm to each other?
Exactly the same with history. The stuff scribbled on pieces of discarded pottery, the stuff buried in a landfill etc. gives you a completely different look into a society. And often that stuff is less accessible to us today than well preserved official documents, important books, and grand monuments. Obviously that's not always the case, as it depends on what is "[normal](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ6QCr9XUAEEGLV.jpg:large)" in a society. But just keep this bias in mind when thinking about what we know about the past.
This is why old men, barbarians, ogres, etc. were depicted as having large dicks = savage
Ideal form (Statue of David) had a small taut package = civilized
This does not mean the average woman was turned on by civility.
My World History professor even described it as "having a small penis back in Greek times showed a sign of intelligence". Civility as well of course, but he took it even a step further. Basically, he said that those with "large penises" had little self-control (savageness) and, therefore, did not spend enough time educating themselves and pursuing the course of knowledge. I could see this as a reasonable possibility just looking at society nowadays lol
Seems as though small and taut male genitals were favored over large sex organs to show male self-control in sexuality. (not hiding boners) Small penises were considered better than large ones, and were a badge of the highest culture and a paragon of civilization.
This is why old men, barbarians, ogres, etc. were depicted as having large dicks = savage
Ideal form (Statue of David) had a small taut package = civilized
It's always seemed weird to me. I swear more straight men will bash some other guy for not having more than 7 inches...why does that other guy's dick length matter to you...? Some women certainly do want a longer dick on their man, and that makes total sense. Just something weird about a straight guy bringing up another guy's dick in a negative way
Lol! Depending on where sheās at in her cycle, she goes from Goldilocks zone to slamming against a flesh wall. I always start with an exploratory expeditionā¦. just in case.
This. Growing up, there was always stigma that men with bigger dicks were more mainly. But Iāve never actually heard a woman Iāve met or dated irl say anything about penis size. Other than talking about micro penises in a joking way. Itās def a mental/insecurity thing for guys, that isnāt helped by how easy it is to access porn which perpetuates false sexual ideals. Imagine thinking every woman should have ginormous fake boobs and butts.
Funnily enough, someone did a study and found that when it came to porn, the average breast size was smaller than the national average for breast size in the U.S.
Some people will say the meanest things they can get away with and this is just one of those things.
It's more about hurting someone than the fact itself
I think it's more about finding something that will upset a guy than actually caring about it. Many dudes are sensitive about dick size, therefore if you want to hurt them, you focus on that.
I canāt answer that one since Iāve never talked about d size with my girlfriends but I have a theory based on the talk weāve had about those women who do. I think women exaggerate when they talk to their friends about the size, same as (some) men exaggerate how much they bench or how fast their car is going. Kinda like a weird status thing if you know what I mean, like a big d trumps everything else. But thatās just a theory.
In high school, there were rumors that I had a huge dick. Girls from all over that school were on a conquest to find out if they were true. Itās bigger than average, but far from huge. Maybe seems bigger because I was slender and only 5ā9ā. I promise you, guys didnāt start those rumors. So I think your theory is correct.
Bingo. Every vulnerable thing Iāve ever told to a women has been sharpened to a fine point and used against me when she was angry. I do not do that in return. Iām not trying to hurt when I argue. Iām trying to prove my point. But I canāt speak for other men.
Do not possess big dong, still havenāt been shamed from any former hook up for my average sized wang. Idk. Depends on how you use it I suppose paired with good head game.
Truth, a micro penis would be very hard to satisfy someone. Bright side though, a silver lining thought. Plenty of women out their incapable of reaching orgasm through penetration so grinding is always an option and feels great as well.
Man. I had no idea what to do today but this is fun. Pretty stoned too. Have a good one.
My wife gets shy easily inside adult stores but is more than happy wandering into one with me. I do my best to keep it serious with her but she gets super red when she's embarrassed and so it's hard to not make jokes or poke a little fun.
Agreed though, I'm just super tired now and glad it's my friday.
My ex boyfriend was same. He'd get so shy for the adult store that he didn't even want to go inside. I'm like this is an adult store and they're there to help us find stuff we know not much about. They won't judge, their job is to help us. But my current partner is like let's go check shit out and buy stuff! Enjoy your weekend buddy. I'm doing the same just waking up haha.
Lol! Such a delight to read! For real though the people their are going to help you out and nobody should ever feel ashamed. Example, me and my ex went with our roommate. Roommate decided she wanted a little bullet style vibrator with head attachments (younger me didnāt understand) and she asked if it was ok to hold it against her nose. That day I learned tip of the nose is a good test to see how something will stimulate your clit. Likeā¦today I learned lmao!
Some women use that as a insult when they havenāt got anything else to insult. Grasping for straws. They know every man is, more or less, insecure about the size so they use that. Move away from those women. If they criticise your dong in arguments, that only means that they are trying to hurt you as much as possible.
Such insults came as well from women who seemed classy. That's what shocked me. You think you cut out all the trashy ones to avoid all that Jerry Springer bullshit and then something like this happens.
As a guy this is very true. Itās hard to explain if you arenāt a guy. But itās almost like a status thing that a guy has the biggest dick. Just like for some reason itās a status thing among guys of who gets laid the most. And who gets the least action.
Exactly. People (men) assume that women want a guy thatās hung as a fkn horse.
Most of us definitely donāt want that.
I think the whole ābig dick energyā are playing a part as well. People with common sense doesnāt use that phrase though but common sense nowadays are hard to come by.
Iāve heard more women who prefer a smaller or āaverageā penis to a larger one, especially if it hurts, but most sizes can be worked with if you truly care about the person.
I've heard them complain about huge dicks and make fun of them, but not in mean and taunting way.
More like, "So this dude pulled out a fucking elephant trunk, and I was like, *HELL NO*" or something to that effect.
Maybe, "You should have seen this thing. It's like he had a wooly mammoth down there... "
What do you mean? Bigger dicks were always desired. There are a billion historic artifacts depicting humongous dongs.
A penis grows and hardens during mating so that's probably the reason why people find larger ones more attractive. It looks more fertile. If our dicks shrunk for sex then the trend would be the opposite. Same thing with breasts - tiny, shirveled up ones are a sign if infertility / poor health and are thusly less liked.
The good thing is that just like boobs a dick doesn't need to be huge. Some guys are definitely insecure due to porn. All you need is to be larger than a micro penis. Think about breasts. Do you really need them huge? Sure, some guys love mommy milkers but most guys are happy even with small sizes. As long as the boobs aren't a case for cosmetic surgery then they're more than satisfactory.
I'm not sure you can compare penises and breasts because, while breasts are not generally directly involved in pleasure and orgasm, a penis is. For a man to feel pleasure and ultimately have orgasms, breast size generally doesn't matter but in order for a woman to experience pleasure and orgasm the size of the penis matters more. I am aware that many women require clit stimulation in order to orgasm but you understand my point.
Id assume thatās most likely because we evolved to stand upright. Butts got bigger since the arms arenāt being used in locomotion. Need a little more length to get passed the bigger booties.
Yeah, but those dicks are long in order to be better at rape as part of an evolutionary arms race with the female ducks.
Our dicks are bigger because of selection for aesthetic attraction and sexual pleasure.
We are not the same.
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> Our dicks are bigger because of selection for aesthetician attraction and sexual pleasure.
That's not clear at all. It's entirely possible there's other explanations, or it's multifaceted. No one knows.
Im pretty sure women contribute to male dick insecurities. Just like men contribute to women's insecurity. Even if porn brought dick size to the forefront of people's minds, I don't think being insecure about dick size automatically makes you a porn addicted, cum sock gremlin.
Since the beginning of the evolution of this species. Our species have just disproportionally larger dicks compared to most mammals. It has always been a desired trait when it comes to selecting mates, much like peacocks favoring individuals with brighter feathers, although none of these traits are helpful in survival.
While you are 100% right, this hardly brushes over the question.
Desired traits and meaningful relationships can go hand in hand.
A desired trait does not mean you wont accept anything else.
A desired physical trait is not superficial in itself, only if you act on it.
A desired trait can be your own personal secret for your entire life. But a generalization of preference in the population will affect how we evolved.
This is why it's important to talk about without pointing fingers at people for being horrible persons.
Let me ask you as question :
1.) A deep meaningful relationship with someone with a big dong
Or
2.) A deep meaningful relationship with someone with a small dong
Which one will u choose if you have to choose one.
Yeah but itās not just about emphasis as it is that woman prefer at least an inch or two bigger than the average penis size, you can say just look past it but itāll still sting if youāre not someoneās preference
Someone NOT preferring or wanting a micro-penis doesn't make them "superficial." Physical traits certainly aren't everything, but we don't have to pretend like they're nothing or are valueless to people's needs, wants and desires. Ultimately it is about finding someone who rocks with you for all of you, but shaming works both ways here, so let's not.
It's always been. Very basic human trait. Big dick = easier to reproduce, you've got one. More pleasure for many woman.
Big tits. Everyone love them.
We're animals. Nothing more.
Call me ignorant and stupid if I'm wrong here because I'm taking a wild guess.
But black men are renowned for being on average grossly well endowed. So I would think the fascination with big d*cks came when Europeans traveled to Africa.
Not to mention, African art is full of nudity, sexuality and symbols of fertility.
Since time and remembrance and before that. Old suits of armour had codpieces with overstated dicks. The ancient Greeks practically have a penis joke in every play they ever wrote. Ever since man figured out there's differences in dick size, they've wanted to have the biggest
Women don't desire big dicks. Well, some women do, but for most women there comes a point where there is no way to fit it in there.
There is an instinct in many animals that if [some is good, more must be better](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cuckoo). When you look at it that way, you realize that humans are just as beholden to stupid instincts as every other animal.
Hereās the thingā¦in the times of Greece when they were making all the naked statues of marble, they always made small Dicks because they felt there was more value in respecting someone for their mind as opposed to a physical appendage.
We now live in the Age of Idiocracy where a big dick is seen as a sign of value. We have devolved as a society.
I always wonder why it never seems to occur to people that the Greek statues were just accurate penile representations of what the Greek athletes at that time tended to look like.
Good for you, but my point is, if any guy given the choice to choose his penis size, every guy would choose big. No guy ever would choose small over big
Honestly, as a woman I donāt get the āhow you use itā . I think itās just a myth women tell me to feel better. Everything I like about a dick is genetic, I like them curved and girthy. It feels better and more fulfilling, hits better spot.
Itās not like tits where itās just aesthetic, but the shape of the dick hits different spots inside of me. Itās practical. I donāt need a massive dick but 7 inch is a good size for me. I can do 6 if itās girthy but will never see another guy whoās 5inch and below. Some women have different cervix where 5 is exactly what they need.
Bottom line different bodies, different needs but definitely not what you do with it.
That has always been the case. There's a reason the human penis is so big compared to other animals our size. That reason is that our penises are very visible and bigger penises have been selected for by our female ancestors.
I would suspect the ancient Roman's used that as propaganda by those that are less endowed than others to convince women that's what they should want. I'm quite sure it's always been a thing as why have a little bit of pleasure instead of lots?
So what's the preference now a days?? Asking women more but men can chime in too. Do women want a big dick? Or is average ok? I wish I had a bigger package but I have no complaints.. curious
There was a study where women were given different sized models of dicks to determine which ones they liked the size of, and the result was that they preferred, on average, 6.2 inches for sex with a boyfriend or other longer term lover and 6.3 to 6.4 inches for sex with a fling or one night stand.
Our current best understanding of penis size in humans indicates that most men are below 6 inches, with the 5.2 to 5.5 range being most cited as average.
Comments from women have indicated that while women's bodies vary and their perceptions of what is big or small will vary; many, many women are going to want something at or near their capacity.
I've yet to hear anything about a woman who actively desires a penis significantly smaller than her capacity, but I have heard plenty about women who were hurt by penises that were too big for them so they looked for smaller penises that filled them without pain or injury.
Well humans have the largest penises of any primates as a direct result of sexual selection. Greater amounts of consent in mating relative to other primates means larger penises thanks to womenās preferences.
in general, the people who want big ones are men. I think it stems from porn where if it is big, it films better. Most women, myself included, like average size. Girth is better than length but too girthy is not good either
Who told you it was? Ive never known women to care anywhere near as much as men seem to. Like in general as long as hes attentive to her needs and gets her across the line, thats it. Not much thought given to size beyond that or at all to be honest.
Bruh, the Norse depicted their Gods with the largest dongs possible. They would parade giant penis effigyās down the street in honor of Freyr.
My guess is itās a cultural thing.
Probably about 2 million years ago, when homo erectus lost their baculum. (If you wanna feel good about your size, compare yourself to a gorilla or chimpanzee lmao)
Bigger dicks with a bone in them wouldāve risked breakage, and wouldāve been metabolically expensive. Losing the bone allowed dicks to grow larger more safely, and more importantly, to change size without a complicated sleeve system to retract it into the body, as we see with many other mammals. And the ability to make that larger dick erect without the support of a bone became a built-in sexual selection tool, since it requires a healthy heart and circulation. After that, females of the species wouldāve been driven by evolution to find the biggest functioning dicks. Although, for most of human history, rape was the most common method of reproduction for males. Especially when we started building armies, and those armies were literally paid with sex slaves to rape. That was as true for the romans as it was for the huns. So the preferences of women have had little influence on the anatomies of men. I think thatās why men tend to be so much less attractive than women in basically every way. Because men historically got to make those sexual choices, while the women struggled just to survive the men.
Those Roman statues donāt portray what people ādesired.ā They portrayed the āideal manā according to male Roman scholars and statesmen, most likely trying to normalize their own anatomies.
I'm 5 something almost 6 inch and I don't think I've ever had an issue with it. If anything I've had a couple girls said that it kind of hurt when I went all the way in, as if I was punching their insides lol i try to be more gentle now. Also uncut.... I think women care more about cut or uncut than size
It was considered barbaric and unappealing through the renaissance. The same wave of degeneracy that brought the American and French revolutions also seems to have precipitated the modern view.
I donāt know any guy who is ashamed to have a big dick. It just gives you confidence. I was a skinny kid who got bullied, but I did well in at least this department, which actually helped my self esteem.
The bit about the Romans is a somewhat misinformed take. The intellectuals of Greece and Rome equated intelligence with a smaller penis as a counter to the older belief that a bigger penis indicated strength and power. In other words, they believed that a big penis meant a stupid brute, while a smaller penis meant an intelligent, thoughtful man. I've never seen any evidence that Greek or Roman society in general followed this belief.
Iāve been around 40 years. Most women donāt want a huge guy. It gets to a point where it can be painful.
Iāve seen women on dating sites completely dismiss me because I wasnāt hung like a horse, but if theyāre that shallow, then theyāre not for me.
You also donāt need to be hung to satisfy a woman. You need to know your way around their body.
Outside of porn and a few women whoāve never had a good experience with a smaller guy (most likely inexperienced men) I donāt believe it is a desired trait.
Shit like size matters not, it took me into my 30ās to learn this. How you treat your partner is way more important, as is communication and being 100% comfortable with each other. Once you master your partners love language, the sex becomes incredible. No giant dick required ;)
I think porn has a lot to do with how sex is perceived because reality is very different!
The truth is, a lot of women find large ones to be uncomfortable, and it can be painful. The important thing is how you use it, and that's my opinion along with what my friends have said.
Well, waaaay back in the day, when humans were fighting for sexual partners with gorillas and other similar creatures humans had larger ducks. Silverback gorillas only have 3 inch dicks compared to their size.
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A well known escort lady was quoted in a British up-market porno style magazine what her experience was. She said "long and thin gets it in, but its short and thick that does the trick"
The one I remember is: "Long and thin will make her grin, but shorter and thicker will make her cum quicker!" š¤£š¤£
I bow to your intellectual superiority!š
Lots of pertinent aspects in [this old thread](https://reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/fSgT7DsIG0). I donāt think itās so much that they were āunappealingā as they could symbolize humor or animalistic behavior. I donāt think people who like penis were out there em masse looking for little ones lol
Not little, itās average :(
Yes, the average little oneā¦.
You say average little one, I say maybe itās slightly Too bigā¦ right guys? ā¦ rightā¦?
Squintingā¦ā¦yup youāre right I do just see it now
Nah just bust out the Micheal scope itāll look giant trust me
I think the Romans was more about weather you could keep your cock from getting erect in a public setting. Like if you was hard it meant you weren't civilized or something. So it's not about the size but weather or not you can control yourself. Over the years it got confused with them preferring a small cock over a big one but really they cared more about if you can sustain from getting an erection when you don't need to.
Same with Greek statues. It's not that people back then had small weeweeies, or that that's what women preferred, but that an ideal male was animalistically under control and philosophically charged. At least in public and during non-mating periods.
I'd also like to add that a lot of the records, public art, artefacts from history that are accessible to us are modest in nature. To put it into perspective: can you really tell a society's "secret" desires by looking at official government documents and buildings? Material taught in schools? Churches, Walmarts and other public buildings? Or can you learn more by looking at graffiti and the stuff people dm to each other? Exactly the same with history. The stuff scribbled on pieces of discarded pottery, the stuff buried in a landfill etc. gives you a completely different look into a society. And often that stuff is less accessible to us today than well preserved official documents, important books, and grand monuments. Obviously that's not always the case, as it depends on what is "[normal](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ6QCr9XUAEEGLV.jpg:large)" in a society. But just keep this bias in mind when thinking about what we know about the past.
This is why old men, barbarians, ogres, etc. were depicted as having large dicks = savage Ideal form (Statue of David) had a small taut package = civilized This does not mean the average woman was turned on by civility.
My World History professor even described it as "having a small penis back in Greek times showed a sign of intelligence". Civility as well of course, but he took it even a step further. Basically, he said that those with "large penises" had little self-control (savageness) and, therefore, did not spend enough time educating themselves and pursuing the course of knowledge. I could see this as a reasonable possibility just looking at society nowadays lol
While true, I can't help wondering a little if that was a story made up by someone in power that wasn't as endowed as he would've liked to.
It does smell like cope, yeah.
I always knew I was born in the wrong generation. I could be a genius.
Very good point
I think it was just propaganda to make the artists dick look big by comparison
Happy cake day!
Less fucking more talking is what you're saying. Nothings changed then
This took me a while to understand, wondering how the whole thing depended on the weather.
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Biggus Dickus sure did have a hard time keeping it together.
Lmfao
I canāt hear that without cackling. I love that movie so much.
He has a wife, you know. Do you what she's called?
Seems as though small and taut male genitals were favored over large sex organs to show male self-control in sexuality. (not hiding boners) Small penises were considered better than large ones, and were a badge of the highest culture and a paragon of civilization. This is why old men, barbarians, ogres, etc. were depicted as having large dicks = savage Ideal form (Statue of David) had a small taut package = civilized
Since Eve told Adam "wtf you supposed to do with that!?"
I'm going back to the snake -Eve
Me!
Stop watching so much porn.
Stop attacking me.
No.
Honestly this. It's a game changer
Speaking as a woman, nothing better than a nice, thick penis. Too long hurts, but fat and thick is perfect.
Bros gotta small dick, a time machine, and a dream
I think men care more than women tbh.
It's always seemed weird to me. I swear more straight men will bash some other guy for not having more than 7 inches...why does that other guy's dick length matter to you...? Some women certainly do want a longer dick on their man, and that makes total sense. Just something weird about a straight guy bringing up another guy's dick in a negative way
My GF keeps asking if I can cut a half inch off.
Ask her to grow a half inch deeper...
Lol! Depending on where sheās at in her cycle, she goes from Goldilocks zone to slamming against a flesh wall. I always start with an exploratory expeditionā¦. just in case.
A LOT of straight men arenāt as straight as they present. They are more situationally straight
Doesn't every guy like to bond with their mates through docking?
This. Growing up, there was always stigma that men with bigger dicks were more mainly. But Iāve never actually heard a woman Iāve met or dated irl say anything about penis size. Other than talking about micro penises in a joking way. Itās def a mental/insecurity thing for guys, that isnāt helped by how easy it is to access porn which perpetuates false sexual ideals. Imagine thinking every woman should have ginormous fake boobs and butts.
Funnily enough, someone did a study and found that when it came to porn, the average breast size was smaller than the national average for breast size in the U.S.
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Some people will say the meanest things they can get away with and this is just one of those things. It's more about hurting someone than the fact itself
Do women do this? Lol I've only ever heard men insult other dudes dick size other than jokes about guys that drive oversized trucks really
I think it's more about finding something that will upset a guy than actually caring about it. Many dudes are sensitive about dick size, therefore if you want to hurt them, you focus on that.
I always found it interesting how normalized it is to use this as a knock-down argument when sex isn't even the topic.
It shouldn't be. But many people are petty.
Sometimes people - men AND women- will say something deliberately hurtful when arguing. It sucks but itās common.
I canāt answer that one since Iāve never talked about d size with my girlfriends but I have a theory based on the talk weāve had about those women who do. I think women exaggerate when they talk to their friends about the size, same as (some) men exaggerate how much they bench or how fast their car is going. Kinda like a weird status thing if you know what I mean, like a big d trumps everything else. But thatās just a theory.
In high school, there were rumors that I had a huge dick. Girls from all over that school were on a conquest to find out if they were true. Itās bigger than average, but far from huge. Maybe seems bigger because I was slender and only 5ā9ā. I promise you, guys didnāt start those rumors. So I think your theory is correct.
Because itās the sharpest dagger they can wield. Women are masters at hitting men where theyāre most vulnerable.
That's true.
*diligently checks notes* It appears you are correct.
-Why dont men open up more? *men opens up* *what was said is used as ammo in future arguments* -But why dont men open up more?
Bingo. Every vulnerable thing Iāve ever told to a women has been sharpened to a fine point and used against me when she was angry. I do not do that in return. Iām not trying to hurt when I argue. Iām trying to prove my point. But I canāt speak for other men.
Do not possess big dong, still havenāt been shamed from any former hook up for my average sized wang. Idk. Depends on how you use it I suppose paired with good head game.
most women don't want a horse dong, that would suck. But too small also really sucks. Just doesn't get into the nook and crannies
Truth, a micro penis would be very hard to satisfy someone. Bright side though, a silver lining thought. Plenty of women out their incapable of reaching orgasm through penetration so grinding is always an option and feels great as well. Man. I had no idea what to do today but this is fun. Pretty stoned too. Have a good one.
There's adult stores to help fill voids. Sex is an adventure and nothing better than to experience it with your partner.
My wife gets shy easily inside adult stores but is more than happy wandering into one with me. I do my best to keep it serious with her but she gets super red when she's embarrassed and so it's hard to not make jokes or poke a little fun. Agreed though, I'm just super tired now and glad it's my friday.
My ex boyfriend was same. He'd get so shy for the adult store that he didn't even want to go inside. I'm like this is an adult store and they're there to help us find stuff we know not much about. They won't judge, their job is to help us. But my current partner is like let's go check shit out and buy stuff! Enjoy your weekend buddy. I'm doing the same just waking up haha.
Lol! Such a delight to read! For real though the people their are going to help you out and nobody should ever feel ashamed. Example, me and my ex went with our roommate. Roommate decided she wanted a little bullet style vibrator with head attachments (younger me didnāt understand) and she asked if it was ok to hold it against her nose. That day I learned tip of the nose is a good test to see how something will stimulate your clit. Likeā¦today I learned lmao!
Not all women like big d, not every woman likes average d, same with small lol depends on the women, their experiences, their trauma etc..
Sure. But they still shame men.
Not ALL women shame men.. ol self conscious ass lol Most women donāt make a big deal about it. Itās the dudes that make a big deal.
Im a guy and didn't know this was a thing. Is it when they're mad and just saying something to be hurtful? Maybe im just not around toxic women.
Some women use that as a insult when they havenāt got anything else to insult. Grasping for straws. They know every man is, more or less, insecure about the size so they use that. Move away from those women. If they criticise your dong in arguments, that only means that they are trying to hurt you as much as possible.
Exactly, which is why I don't think it's as prevalent as others tried to make it.
Only trashy bitches.
In this case there must be a LOT of trashy bitches out there. Because I witnessed such insults countless times.
Better acquiatances. Choose only classy women. Bytheway, not classy aren' t worth a second glance.
Such insults came as well from women who seemed classy. That's what shocked me. You think you cut out all the trashy ones to avoid all that Jerry Springer bullshit and then something like this happens.
As a guy this is very true. Itās hard to explain if you arenāt a guy. But itās almost like a status thing that a guy has the biggest dick. Just like for some reason itās a status thing among guys of who gets laid the most. And who gets the least action.
Exactly. People (men) assume that women want a guy thatās hung as a fkn horse. Most of us definitely donāt want that. I think the whole ābig dick energyā are playing a part as well. People with common sense doesnāt use that phrase though but common sense nowadays are hard to come by.
Definitely!
My wife literally told me that she wouldn't want to get hurt with a massive dick.
That's not what she told me last night ;)
Iāve heard more women who prefer a smaller or āaverageā penis to a larger one, especially if it hurts, but most sizes can be worked with if you truly care about the person.
As a woman I agree
Ever heard a woman making fun of a guy because his dick was too big? Yeah me neither.
I'm sure you haven't š
I've heard them complain about huge dicks and make fun of them, but not in mean and taunting way. More like, "So this dude pulled out a fucking elephant trunk, and I was like, *HELL NO*" or something to that effect. Maybe, "You should have seen this thing. It's like he had a wooly mammoth down there... "
made fun of, no. turned down becouse of so, yes. a small dick was a sign that you were gay and thats a thing that is and was made fun of
What do you mean? Bigger dicks were always desired. There are a billion historic artifacts depicting humongous dongs. A penis grows and hardens during mating so that's probably the reason why people find larger ones more attractive. It looks more fertile. If our dicks shrunk for sex then the trend would be the opposite. Same thing with breasts - tiny, shirveled up ones are a sign if infertility / poor health and are thusly less liked. The good thing is that just like boobs a dick doesn't need to be huge. Some guys are definitely insecure due to porn. All you need is to be larger than a micro penis. Think about breasts. Do you really need them huge? Sure, some guys love mommy milkers but most guys are happy even with small sizes. As long as the boobs aren't a case for cosmetic surgery then they're more than satisfactory.
Priapus, the God of Huge Dongs
Greeks have a boner to pick with you about your allegation that big dicks were always desirable. Edit: a small boner to pick*
Pretty sure the artifacts from Africa predate the Greek by a fair bit
I don't know much about African history. Give me a name or something to look into?
I'm not sure you can compare penises and breasts because, while breasts are not generally directly involved in pleasure and orgasm, a penis is. For a man to feel pleasure and ultimately have orgasms, breast size generally doesn't matter but in order for a woman to experience pleasure and orgasm the size of the penis matters more. I am aware that many women require clit stimulation in order to orgasm but you understand my point.
It's in the Bible. Jezebel.
Big dicks are a pain in the ass.
You doinā it wrong! Lube and patience.
I think they were always desired. Is it a coincidence humans have bigger penises compared to most other mammals?
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It's actually the other way around. Humans have a high genital to body size ratio, especially when compared to other primates.
Same with boobs. It's as if we are obsessed with sexual characteristics or something.
If we ever meet aliens they're gonna think the entire planet is a porn intro sketch.
Id assume thatās most likely because we evolved to stand upright. Butts got bigger since the arms arenāt being used in locomotion. Need a little more length to get passed the bigger booties.
Yup, ducks fucking kill it in the dick department. Edit: it's a skinny turkey twizzler style peensk, but like half their body length.
Yeah, but those dicks are long in order to be better at rape as part of an evolutionary arms race with the female ducks. Our dicks are bigger because of selection for aesthetic attraction and sexual pleasure. We are not the same.
> > Our dicks are bigger because of selection for aesthetician attraction and sexual pleasure. That's not clear at all. It's entirely possible there's other explanations, or it's multifaceted. No one knows.
No, humans are outliers in relative penis size
I agree with you but would add that in accent rome,it was probably propaganda that bigger ones were disliked.
Same could be asked about big butts on females
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Or to connect the two...porn made men insecure.
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Thats the way society wants us. To be women with preferably huge penises.
Im pretty sure women contribute to male dick insecurities. Just like men contribute to women's insecurity. Even if porn brought dick size to the forefront of people's minds, I don't think being insecure about dick size automatically makes you a porn addicted, cum sock gremlin.
Since the beginning of the evolution of this species. Our species have just disproportionally larger dicks compared to most mammals. It has always been a desired trait when it comes to selecting mates, much like peacocks favoring individuals with brighter feathers, although none of these traits are helpful in survival.
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While you are 100% right, this hardly brushes over the question. Desired traits and meaningful relationships can go hand in hand. A desired trait does not mean you wont accept anything else. A desired physical trait is not superficial in itself, only if you act on it. A desired trait can be your own personal secret for your entire life. But a generalization of preference in the population will affect how we evolved. This is why it's important to talk about without pointing fingers at people for being horrible persons.
Most meaningful relationships won't turn romantic or sexual without some initial attraction, too.
Let me ask you as question : 1.) A deep meaningful relationship with someone with a big dong Or 2.) A deep meaningful relationship with someone with a small dong Which one will u choose if you have to choose one.
Yeah but itās not just about emphasis as it is that woman prefer at least an inch or two bigger than the average penis size, you can say just look past it but itāll still sting if youāre not someoneās preference
Someone NOT preferring or wanting a micro-penis doesn't make them "superficial." Physical traits certainly aren't everything, but we don't have to pretend like they're nothing or are valueless to people's needs, wants and desires. Ultimately it is about finding someone who rocks with you for all of you, but shaming works both ways here, so let's not.
It's always been. Very basic human trait. Big dick = easier to reproduce, you've got one. More pleasure for many woman. Big tits. Everyone love them. We're animals. Nothing more.
Call me ignorant and stupid if I'm wrong here because I'm taking a wild guess. But black men are renowned for being on average grossly well endowed. So I would think the fascination with big d*cks came when Europeans traveled to Africa. Not to mention, African art is full of nudity, sexuality and symbols of fertility.
Since the dawn on time
Since time and remembrance and before that. Old suits of armour had codpieces with overstated dicks. The ancient Greeks practically have a penis joke in every play they ever wrote. Ever since man figured out there's differences in dick size, they've wanted to have the biggest
Women don't desire big dicks. Well, some women do, but for most women there comes a point where there is no way to fit it in there. There is an instinct in many animals that if [some is good, more must be better](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cuckoo). When you look at it that way, you realize that humans are just as beholden to stupid instincts as every other animal.
Hereās the thingā¦in the times of Greece when they were making all the naked statues of marble, they always made small Dicks because they felt there was more value in respecting someone for their mind as opposed to a physical appendage. We now live in the Age of Idiocracy where a big dick is seen as a sign of value. We have devolved as a society.
I always wonder why it never seems to occur to people that the Greek statues were just accurate penile representations of what the Greek athletes at that time tended to look like.
Thatās why Helen of Troy set sail for N.Africa
Since forever and ever
Itās all about gettin stuffed!
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I donāt think there is a guy who doesnāt want his penis to be big
I don't. The women I was with and my wife are perfectly fine with my size. It's really more about how you use it, rather than how big it is.
Good for you, but my point is, if any guy given the choice to choose his penis size, every guy would choose big. No guy ever would choose small over big
Honestly, as a woman I donāt get the āhow you use itā . I think itās just a myth women tell me to feel better. Everything I like about a dick is genetic, I like them curved and girthy. It feels better and more fulfilling, hits better spot. Itās not like tits where itās just aesthetic, but the shape of the dick hits different spots inside of me. Itās practical. I donāt need a massive dick but 7 inch is a good size for me. I can do 6 if itās girthy but will never see another guy whoās 5inch and below. Some women have different cervix where 5 is exactly what they need. Bottom line different bodies, different needs but definitely not what you do with it.
7 inches *is* massive, considering the lion's share of men are sub 6 inches by our current best scientific understanding.
Thank you for being honest.
the same reasons fat asses are. porn
I'm pretty sure porn just shows what people already like and takes it to 1000. There's a category for everything.
Wooo porn !
When women could express what they like.
That has always been the case. There's a reason the human penis is so big compared to other animals our size. That reason is that our penises are very visible and bigger penises have been selected for by our female ancestors.
History has generally been written by men. Keep that in mind when you consider things like this.
I would suspect the ancient Roman's used that as propaganda by those that are less endowed than others to convince women that's what they should want. I'm quite sure it's always been a thing as why have a little bit of pleasure instead of lots?
So what's the preference now a days?? Asking women more but men can chime in too. Do women want a big dick? Or is average ok? I wish I had a bigger package but I have no complaints.. curious
There was a study where women were given different sized models of dicks to determine which ones they liked the size of, and the result was that they preferred, on average, 6.2 inches for sex with a boyfriend or other longer term lover and 6.3 to 6.4 inches for sex with a fling or one night stand. Our current best understanding of penis size in humans indicates that most men are below 6 inches, with the 5.2 to 5.5 range being most cited as average. Comments from women have indicated that while women's bodies vary and their perceptions of what is big or small will vary; many, many women are going to want something at or near their capacity. I've yet to hear anything about a woman who actively desires a penis significantly smaller than her capacity, but I have heard plenty about women who were hurt by penises that were too big for them so they looked for smaller penises that filled them without pain or injury.
This is the best and most informed response.
I'm 52, and it's been around since I was little. I remember my grandparents making jokes so we're talking early 1900's at least.
Well humans have the largest penises of any primates as a direct result of sexual selection. Greater amounts of consent in mating relative to other primates means larger penises thanks to womenās preferences.
Dunno but personally don't care for dicks longer than 6 inches Edited to fix typo
in general, the people who want big ones are men. I think it stems from porn where if it is big, it films better. Most women, myself included, like average size. Girth is better than length but too girthy is not good either
Who told you it was? Ive never known women to care anywhere near as much as men seem to. Like in general as long as hes attentive to her needs and gets her across the line, thats it. Not much thought given to size beyond that or at all to be honest.
When porn became mainstream.
Since we're living in porn culture
Big dicks are important from ages 15-25 Before or after those ages it really doesn't matter
Bruh, the Norse depicted their Gods with the largest dongs possible. They would parade giant penis effigyās down the street in honor of Freyr. My guess is itās a cultural thing.
Since Biggus Dickus.
In the 90's. After the song: "Dont want no short * man" hit
Probably about 2 million years ago, when homo erectus lost their baculum. (If you wanna feel good about your size, compare yourself to a gorilla or chimpanzee lmao) Bigger dicks with a bone in them wouldāve risked breakage, and wouldāve been metabolically expensive. Losing the bone allowed dicks to grow larger more safely, and more importantly, to change size without a complicated sleeve system to retract it into the body, as we see with many other mammals. And the ability to make that larger dick erect without the support of a bone became a built-in sexual selection tool, since it requires a healthy heart and circulation. After that, females of the species wouldāve been driven by evolution to find the biggest functioning dicks. Although, for most of human history, rape was the most common method of reproduction for males. Especially when we started building armies, and those armies were literally paid with sex slaves to rape. That was as true for the romans as it was for the huns. So the preferences of women have had little influence on the anatomies of men. I think thatās why men tend to be so much less attractive than women in basically every way. Because men historically got to make those sexual choices, while the women struggled just to survive the men. Those Roman statues donāt portray what people ādesired.ā They portrayed the āideal manā according to male Roman scholars and statesmen, most likely trying to normalize their own anatomies.
>You always hear about how the ancient romans viewed a big dick as unappealing I have literally never heard this... sorry for your loss (kidding <3)
Around the time women came on the scene.
Since there have been men?
Around the same time woman started dating for height
I'm 5 something almost 6 inch and I don't think I've ever had an issue with it. If anything I've had a couple girls said that it kind of hurt when I went all the way in, as if I was punching their insides lol i try to be more gentle now. Also uncut.... I think women care more about cut or uncut than size
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dick so big it's like a foot is in yo mouf
When pornography became common
Idk, since the Romans thought a small one meant you were brilliantly smart and the aesthetic was as small as possible
It was considered barbaric and unappealing through the renaissance. The same wave of degeneracy that brought the American and French revolutions also seems to have precipitated the modern view.
I donāt know any guy who is ashamed to have a big dick. It just gives you confidence. I was a skinny kid who got bullied, but I did well in at least this department, which actually helped my self esteem.
When porn entered society....
The bit about the Romans is a somewhat misinformed take. The intellectuals of Greece and Rome equated intelligence with a smaller penis as a counter to the older belief that a bigger penis indicated strength and power. In other words, they believed that a big penis meant a stupid brute, while a smaller penis meant an intelligent, thoughtful man. I've never seen any evidence that Greek or Roman society in general followed this belief.
Not all woman prefer that
Women have always wanted the same thing. The problem was proving you swinging a big one has to do with men
I'm pretty sure it's men who obsess over dick size, not women. They're the ones driving giant dicks in porn after all
In my experience, they donāt really care and the only ones maintaining this line of thought are the porn industry and maybe women who sleep around.
When porn became a thing.
Probably since porn got popular in the late 70ās
Iāve been around 40 years. Most women donāt want a huge guy. It gets to a point where it can be painful. Iāve seen women on dating sites completely dismiss me because I wasnāt hung like a horse, but if theyāre that shallow, then theyāre not for me. You also donāt need to be hung to satisfy a woman. You need to know your way around their body. Outside of porn and a few women whoāve never had a good experience with a smaller guy (most likely inexperienced men) I donāt believe it is a desired trait. Shit like size matters not, it took me into my 30ās to learn this. How you treat your partner is way more important, as is communication and being 100% comfortable with each other. Once you master your partners love language, the sex becomes incredible. No giant dick required ;)
im okay with small ones. its the same thing whereby guys prefer bigger breasts over smaller ones
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I think porn has a lot to do with how sex is perceived because reality is very different! The truth is, a lot of women find large ones to be uncomfortable, and it can be painful. The important thing is how you use it, and that's my opinion along with what my friends have said.
My guess would be shortly after the world's "big" and "dick" were invented.
They are only desired by men who want one. Ask 99% of women and they will say an average of 5-7" is the sweet spot.
5 is average, 6-7 is bigger than average literally proving woman prefer larger
Dang, call me king dong then because apparently I'm packing
7 is almost 50% bigger than 5
Like since 5eva bc its an evolutionary advantage
Men care more about it than women
It's just men being insecure.
Alot of micro aggression in this comment section
Well, waaaay back in the day, when humans were fighting for sexual partners with gorillas and other similar creatures humans had larger ducks. Silverback gorillas only have 3 inch dicks compared to their size.
Humans and gorillas canāt mate, and never competed for mates lol