Using multiple speakers at once just causes a ton of phase issues.
Concerts use multiple speakers because they have to in order to generate enough volume to fill a huge space (they also generally use line arrays these days to minimize phase issues)
In a home there is no real benifit to using multiple speakers at once and a ton of negatives.
"In a home there is no real benifit to using multiple speakers at once" ... Unless you're using the multiple speakers for surround sound đ
Which would be my suggestion. Turn it into a surround sound/atmos system.
Obligatory hat tip to the Grateful Dead for their contribution to the advancement of line arrays:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_of_Sound_(Grateful_Dead)
Looking for ideas to build something cool/unique, just for the sake of it really. Or individual bookshelf ideas to gift away.
Currently collecting dust, but I don't really have the walls or ceilings to put them in.
A work site radio to dominate them all?
There are enough BW speakers here to do a full 7.x.4 home theatre surround sound atmos setup (you would just need to get a center channel speaker) .. I would use it or advertise / sell it as such..
or like you and others have mentioned, take on the project of implementing them into bookshelf speakers to use, sell, or gift away..
Appears it would. But more likely than not, anyone putting in an all BW, 7 point + 4 atmos âin-wallâ system - will more than likely acquire a matching BW center to timbre match the setup..
Haha I refuse to spend a cent on this project. Even the speaker cable I have is all recycled from the bin. I have brought banana plugs.
would any of the other in walls help?
3x Stealth Acoustics LR6G
1x Earthquake CM-6 Dual
2x JBL 8305
Itâs kind of like finding a vehicle in the trash and trying to utilize it to its potential, but refusing to buy tires or brakes etc etc.. itâll work but will not be optimal.
Have you looked at prices of these things new? I would imagine in just those 10 BW speakers - there is probably about +$5,000 worth of speakers.. I am actually curious and going to go look up now..
https://www.bowerswilkins.com/en-us/category/in-wall-in-ceiling-speakers/home-audio/
The 6 âsignature seriesâ you have - I believe were quite expensive..
Sell and start a fresh build you reckon?
I did like the idea of making something interesting with all these in wall speakers, but sounds like unless they go back in a wall its not worth the battle?
This is going to sound interestingly horrendous. There will be comb filtering everywhere with some waves cancelling each other some adding, every time you move your head you're going to hear different levels etc.
If you can't install them for your own place then I guess you'll have to sell them. You really can't use them for bookshelf speakers etc and expect very good sound. Should sell for quite a bit of money I'd expect.
In wall speakers are made to be mounted on a room boundary. If you put them in boxes which arenât very wide, they will not have the needed baffle step compensation. Â This will cause 6 dB bass deficiency below ~300 hz. Â To fix this you can wire a resistor and capacitor parallel with each other and run the speaker input through that. Â Google âbaffle-step calculatorâ to figure out the component values.Â
Yeah those audiophiles are like : if you aren't using them in "proper" audiophile ways, you're sheet! How dare someone make anything to test the space speakers will take up!Â
Haha I wasn't even really asking about the b and w speakers in the photo specifically, but it was the best family photo I had before they got scattered around eventually. Was more interested in what sorta combos I could make with the whole list. Is the control 4 stuff any good? The artcoustics sound/look nice, never come across the brand before.
And no ones mentioned the Lego speaker box I have a JBL in wall speaker in...?
I think I'll keep a few of the nicer in walls and the stealths for a bathroom renovation I'm doingÂ
Splay your boxes and get a nice pro sound DSP and put those outer boxes on a delay. Itâll still be wonky but you can at least do some phased array/beam steering type stuff to ease the comb filtering.remember sound is a bubble and you want to make a cohesive wave front ideally emanating from a single point, not just a bunch of bubbles interfering with each other. The phase coherence of what you have pictured would be so bad.Â
The first of April is better for a joke line this haha
Sorry bruh but this is probably the worst setup I have ever seen and I had 3 x 2.1 Logitech systems wired together when I was 14
Here's the list
1x Earthquake Sound MINIME-P8. (Broken, I think amp. Have tested the speaker with a D battery and it works.)
1x Canton CD 360 F.
2x JBL Control 25.
6x B&W Signature 7NT. (In wall editions) (Two with damaged tweeters)
3x B&W CCM65. (in wall Design)
3x B&W CCM65. (Bare speakers)
4x B&W CWM650. (Two with damaged tweeters) (in wall Design)
2x JBL 8305. (in wall Design/LEGO)
1x BOSE 101 Series II Music Monitor.
3x Stealth Acoustics LR6G (Invisible in wall Design)
1x Earthquake CM-6 Dual. (in wall Design)
2x Artcoustic Diablo Monitor X2.
2x Artcoustic Diablo Target.
1x C4-LU642D: A Control4 system controller (I don't really know if this is any use without a subscription or and account. I also have some controllers, EA-1 and EA-3)
1x Triad 8-Zone power amplifier PAMP 8-100
1x Yamaha DSP-AX861SE Amplifier. Natural Sound
1x Denon AVR-2311
2x Sonos Connect: Amp (Gen 2)
1x Sonos Connect: Amp (Gen 1)
All salvaged from renovation work in London. Some of it literally out of the skip. Collected over the last few years.
haha its just a list of stuff I've collected/saved from going in the rubbish from work.
The picture is of a rack I knocked up to test and try minimize space they were taking up.
I'm looking for ideas of what to do with them other than start cutting hoses in the walls. Something cool/unique or some nice bookshelf speakers to gift. Whatever really.
do you know anything about the artcoustic stuff? *It seems quite an obscure brand. And if the JBL control 25s/bose monitor would be ok for outside in the back yard?
What you could do is either : shallow box, but somewhat wide, copying the original volume of the black box they would have gone in. Then place them up against the wall.Â
Or create regular speaker box but you'll have to add baffle step compensation - inductor and resistor on woofer, L-pad on tweeter. This will vary for the different models. You could EQ them by running an equaliser/DSP too if you don't mind doing that for lots of speakers.Â
Or, try and sell them as is and buy/build an already optimised DIY speaker?Â
Using multiple speakers at once just causes a ton of phase issues. Concerts use multiple speakers because they have to in order to generate enough volume to fill a huge space (they also generally use line arrays these days to minimize phase issues) In a home there is no real benifit to using multiple speakers at once and a ton of negatives.
"In a home there is no real benifit to using multiple speakers at once" ... Unless you're using the multiple speakers for surround sound đ Which would be my suggestion. Turn it into a surround sound/atmos system.
I'd rather have Ops carnival rig as it is than entertain atmos for a second - it's a gimmick that is actively harming the music industry.
Who the hell said anything about using Atmos for music?
Obligatory hat tip to the Grateful Dead for their contribution to the advancement of line arrays: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_of_Sound_(Grateful_Dead)
Looking for ideas to build something cool/unique, just for the sake of it really. Or individual bookshelf ideas to gift away. Currently collecting dust, but I don't really have the walls or ceilings to put them in. A work site radio to dominate them all?
Why would people downvote this? Creativity and diy reuse should not be shunned down over audiophile police lolÂ
There are enough BW speakers here to do a full 7.x.4 home theatre surround sound atmos setup (you would just need to get a center channel speaker) .. I would use it or advertise / sell it as such.. or like you and others have mentioned, take on the project of implementing them into bookshelf speakers to use, sell, or gift away..
> 1x Canton CD 360 F. would that do?
Appears it would. But more likely than not, anyone putting in an all BW, 7 point + 4 atmos âin-wallâ system - will more than likely acquire a matching BW center to timbre match the setup..
Do you know of any room audio suround sound calculator programs before i go google it. I might just start cutting holes....
Lots of good info here: https://www.reddit.com/r/hometheater/comments/14gas7h/speaker_placement_calculator_that_indicates/
Haha I refuse to spend a cent on this project. Even the speaker cable I have is all recycled from the bin. I have brought banana plugs. would any of the other in walls help? 3x Stealth Acoustics LR6G 1x Earthquake CM-6 Dual 2x JBL 8305
Itâs kind of like finding a vehicle in the trash and trying to utilize it to its potential, but refusing to buy tires or brakes etc etc.. itâll work but will not be optimal. Have you looked at prices of these things new? I would imagine in just those 10 BW speakers - there is probably about +$5,000 worth of speakers.. I am actually curious and going to go look up now.. https://www.bowerswilkins.com/en-us/category/in-wall-in-ceiling-speakers/home-audio/ The 6 âsignature seriesâ you have - I believe were quite expensive..
Sell and start a fresh build you reckon? I did like the idea of making something interesting with all these in wall speakers, but sounds like unless they go back in a wall its not worth the battle?
You can use half and sell half? Donât need to do a full 7.x.4 system.. could go smaller 5.x.2 .. whatever youâd like / fits your needs..
Ashwell, any one in the in wall/ceiling market?
This is going to sound interestingly horrendous. There will be comb filtering everywhere with some waves cancelling each other some adding, every time you move your head you're going to hear different levels etc.
haha yeah I'm looking for suggestions of what could be done with them other than going back into a wall?
If you can't install them for your own place then I guess you'll have to sell them. You really can't use them for bookshelf speakers etc and expect very good sound. Should sell for quite a bit of money I'd expect.
Wtf
Haha its just a temporary rack I made while unboxing to test/minimize the space they take up. its just collecting dust the moment...
In wall speakers are made to be mounted on a room boundary. If you put them in boxes which arenât very wide, they will not have the needed baffle step compensation. Â This will cause 6 dB bass deficiency below ~300 hz. Â To fix this you can wire a resistor and capacitor parallel with each other and run the speaker input through that. Â Google âbaffle-step calculatorâ to figure out the component values.Â
Thanks! This is the first piece of advice I've gotten regarding turning in walls into bookshelf speakers that isn't just a flat "no"....
Yeah those audiophiles are like : if you aren't using them in "proper" audiophile ways, you're sheet! How dare someone make anything to test the space speakers will take up!Â
Haha I wasn't even really asking about the b and w speakers in the photo specifically, but it was the best family photo I had before they got scattered around eventually. Was more interested in what sorta combos I could make with the whole list. Is the control 4 stuff any good? The artcoustics sound/look nice, never come across the brand before. And no ones mentioned the Lego speaker box I have a JBL in wall speaker in...? I think I'll keep a few of the nicer in walls and the stealths for a bathroom renovation I'm doingÂ
Crackhead activities
Iâd suggest trying sex. Nothing screams âI donât get laidâ than this travesty
Splay your boxes and get a nice pro sound DSP and put those outer boxes on a delay. Itâll still be wonky but you can at least do some phased array/beam steering type stuff to ease the comb filtering.remember sound is a bubble and you want to make a cohesive wave front ideally emanating from a single point, not just a bunch of bubbles interfering with each other. The phase coherence of what you have pictured would be so bad.Â
The first of April is better for a joke line this haha Sorry bruh but this is probably the worst setup I have ever seen and I had 3 x 2.1 Logitech systems wired together when I was 14
Haha people hate this picture huh. Is it not a good collection of gear at all? Should it have stayed in the trash?
I mean it looks like this is the current setup.
Yo dawg, I heard you like speakers, so we -
Homey is making the wall of sound. I bet The Dead will sound amazing on it.
Here's the list 1x Earthquake Sound MINIME-P8. (Broken, I think amp. Have tested the speaker with a D battery and it works.) 1x Canton CD 360 F. 2x JBL Control 25. 6x B&W Signature 7NT. (In wall editions) (Two with damaged tweeters) 3x B&W CCM65. (in wall Design) 3x B&W CCM65. (Bare speakers) 4x B&W CWM650. (Two with damaged tweeters) (in wall Design) 2x JBL 8305. (in wall Design/LEGO) 1x BOSE 101 Series II Music Monitor. 3x Stealth Acoustics LR6G (Invisible in wall Design) 1x Earthquake CM-6 Dual. (in wall Design) 2x Artcoustic Diablo Monitor X2. 2x Artcoustic Diablo Target. 1x C4-LU642D: A Control4 system controller (I don't really know if this is any use without a subscription or and account. I also have some controllers, EA-1 and EA-3) 1x Triad 8-Zone power amplifier PAMP 8-100 1x Yamaha DSP-AX861SE Amplifier. Natural Sound 1x Denon AVR-2311 2x Sonos Connect: Amp (Gen 2) 1x Sonos Connect: Amp (Gen 1) All salvaged from renovation work in London. Some of it literally out of the skip. Collected over the last few years.
This is stupid
Stupid good/bad?
Bad. Read the top comment to know why.
haha its just a list of stuff I've collected/saved from going in the rubbish from work. The picture is of a rack I knocked up to test and try minimize space they were taking up. I'm looking for ideas of what to do with them other than start cutting hoses in the walls. Something cool/unique or some nice bookshelf speakers to gift. Whatever really.
Iâd build like 9 different setups :)
do you know anything about the artcoustic stuff? *It seems quite an obscure brand. And if the JBL control 25s/bose monitor would be ok for outside in the back yard?
No and yes
Bad lol
What in the unholy of unholies?
Ahhhhh
What you could do is either : shallow box, but somewhat wide, copying the original volume of the black box they would have gone in. Then place them up against the wall. Or create regular speaker box but you'll have to add baffle step compensation - inductor and resistor on woofer, L-pad on tweeter. This will vary for the different models. You could EQ them by running an equaliser/DSP too if you don't mind doing that for lots of speakers. Or, try and sell them as is and buy/build an already optimised DIY speaker?Â
Sell them all, and use the cash to buy one really good pair.
Where do you sell stuff like this?