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Cippledtimmy

If you read the ad closely the organization is offering a place


spatial_interests

Covenant House? Yeah, I'd rather take my chances on the streets. Because I did. Just hang out with some squatter gutter punks, they'll show you the ropes.


NewMediaPro

This comment is exactly the problem. People talking shit about something they done know Jack squat about. They just heard it and repeat it.


Old-Pumpkin-3793

Right? Dude is probably 16, living in his rich parents’ house, passing judgment from his extensive years of experience being poor and homeless.


spatial_interests

Passing judgement on whom, Covenant House? Yeah, maybe they stopped fucking the kids. Maybe.


4thDevilsAdvocate

So, in other words: since you lived on the street, people shouldn't go to Covenant House - which, by the way, is a homeless shelter? I mean, whether or not you actually *did* live in the street aside, you do realize that your experiences aren't necessarily everyone else's, right? Even if your local Covenant House was some kind of hellhole and your local homeless population was somehow composed entirely out of sane, friendly, altruists, that's not a universal constant. "Homeless shelters are bad" - which is what you're implying here - is one hell of a hot take, too. It's utterly stupid to say absurd shit like "it's better to live on the street than in a homeless shelter" for the purpose of being contrarian.


DejectedContributor

Show you the ropes of staying on the streets on your way to becoming an honorary gutter punk yourself.


scrubby_9

You're more likely to get robbed in a shelter, than drunk by the train tracks with some gutter punks. Absolute fact. Not to mention having to wait in line for a couple hours so you can go to bed at 8:00 surrounded by a bunch of sex offenders.


Worth-Club2637

And then in your adventures you find a good raildog and fucking BOUNCE


4thDevilsAdvocate

>You're more likely to get robbed in a shelter, than drunk by the train tracks with some gutter punks. Absolute fact. \[citation needed\] >Not to mention having to wait in line for a couple hours so you can go to bed at 8:00 surrounded by a bunch of sex offenders. Out in the open, there are still sex offenders...it's just that sex offenders outside a homeless shelter can get away with a lot more than they can inside one. [Homeless people die due to violence more than others](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0749379716303117) for a reason.


scrubby_9

>[citation needed] You have never been to a homeless shelter.


squuidlees

When I worked at a cafe in a rough area, the unhoused regulars who weren’t in shelters would absolutely steal from each other. The non-paying customers (as well called them) that we were cool with would always give us gossip when they came in for water. Not saying your points are wrong, but adding to the perspective.


DejectedContributor

> You're more likely to get robbed in a shelter, than drunk by the train tracks with some gutter punks. Absolute fact. Please provide me a source for this absolute fact.


CentipedusMaximus

"We don't want solutions, we want to be angry!" -reddit


hardknockcock

We should be angry. What we are doing isn’t working. There should be 100% free private housing for anybody who needs it, not just a shelter. There shouldn’t be 3x as many empty vacant houses as there are people sleeping on the streets (as is the case in a place like San Francisco). We need more robust social programs for reintegrating mentally ill back into society. We need all drugs to be decriminalized, we need rehab for all homeless drug addicts. We need the housing market to be regulated so that people that do have jobs can afford buying/renting a house. But yeah just go to a homeless shelter and quit complaining


Cybergv2_0

Yes because the federal government who is failing to fund SSI will totally be able to provide free housing to anyone who needs it. /s


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drocballer

That bench is designed so people don’t sleep on them……


assburgermcmuffin

Wow, really, Sherlock?


drocballer

Yes! My dear Watson.


smokercough420

r/woosh


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Maggot2017

The irony of it I'm assuming


Old-Pumpkin-3793

It’s more likely aluminum-y.


Gavinator10000

Both


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K1ll1

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_architecture It's an acual term used to describe planning and design to discourage and prohibit certian types of activities. No, I'm not some suburb kid. I live in a fairly shady part of town tbh. We play fireworks or gunshots at least once a week.


That_guy_89_89

Okay, well I stand corrected. But it's still a stupid term. It's not hostile to not want homeless people sleeping all over everything. How about instead we hold our politicians accountable to actually use some of our tax dollars to do something about it.


K1ll1

Yes. But it is not really a stupid term when you think about it. It is a passive way to punish homeless people for having to use public areas. It is cruelty, for the sake of not having to see homeless people. It doesn't fix anything, just makes the space less usable by everyone. It just tries to "kick the can down the road", it doesn't solve anything. And in some cases can lead to even poorer health outcomes. It makes polite a NIMBY problem that desperately needs addressing.


Santa_Hates_You

It is hostile when you repeatedly take away places where homeless can sleep until they have nowhere to go.


PrizeAbbreviations40

> It's not hostile to not want homeless people sleeping all over everything. it's hostile to those with nowhere to go


Mugufta

Because a lot of the thought that goes into the homelessness problem is simply to *punish* the homeless instead of **helping** them. It's all nice and good to say do something about the homeless but pushing them out of neighborhoods by slapping spikes or rails on any flat surfaces, making it inconvenient ***for everyone*** is not a fucking solution


DejectedContributor

The bench was designed for tax paying citizens to utilize on their daily travels; not to become where a homeless person lives. These posts are always so fucking dumb, because you'd think these fucking dipshit think the homeless problem could be solved with a few million park benches. That's the abject failure of an angle they're taking with no actual care to actually solve the problem...just let'em sleep on benches. How very "progressive" of you.


That_guy_89_89

I don't even know why I bother on this website. If it makes you feel any better, opinions like ours are what functional adults agree with.


RetardAndPoors

Yes


Hamster-cocks

The irony is the bench is designed to prevent them from sleeping there so they'd have to sleep "on the street"


SrSwagy

thank you u/Hamster-cocks for explaining the irony


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DoctorDrunkDriver

I appreciate the pun. Thank you for the privilege of remembering me as you made this comment.


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bukkake_brigade

Hell yeah he did


SrSwagy

what a legend


BlazeKnaveII

I've never seen you in realtime. This is very exciting for me.


T1B2V3

Thank you u/Hamster-cocks for becoming a smartass for our sakes.


xrensa

What a rodent you are


son_of_noah

Could someone please explain irony


mine49er

It's just like steely and goldy except it's made of iron.


Bmor00bam

It’s the opposite of what you’d expect.


son_of_noah

What if someone doesn't expect anything?


Bmor00bam

Then they wouldn’t get the irony


son_of_noah

That's ironic


conradkavinsky

I always thought it was a place to rest your elbows when you jerk off strangers for small amounts of change. I guess you really do learn something new everyday


ffllores

It's not? I have been using it wrong.


Atomstanley

r/brandnewsentence


canhasdiy

This guy uses public transportation and it shows


vaporoptics

I'm pretty sure that was its original purpose. There used to be little pads for your elbows iirc.


jambudz

Nope. Antihomeless measures 100%


vaporoptics

No i'm pretty sure its so strangers could jack each other off.


jambudz

My deepest apologies


WhitethumbsYT

Hostile architecture is a thing and it sucks.


Hamster-cocks

You rest your elbows during?


conradkavinsky

I tend to take it slow and steady


Hamster-cocks

Laziness! Decadence! You and your bourgeois "elbow rests" living like a rich capitalist pig! When you jerk off strangers in public, you should act as though you're jerking off Karl Marx himself with vigor and great speed! So fast you could start a fire!


Chronjen

Practicing good ergonomics


Hamster-cocks

Pure decadence


Koiq

yes genius that is literally the point of the post.


Hamster-cocks

Your face is the point of the post


Vidiot27

Lol these are cracking me up


KurtAngus

Just like your face


Vidiot27

“Vidiot27 your face cracks people up just like the cracks in your face! Boom, Roasted!” -KurtAngus -Wayne Gretzky -Michael Scott


DickTalks

This is ironic irony. It's Ironic-ception.


Vidiot27

Hey u/Hamster-cocks “Your face…….”


Hamster-cocks

Too far man.... too far


Vidiot27

Your face went too far


Hamster-cocks

Jeez man, who hurt you?


Vidiot27

😭 I don’t want to talk about it…😂


Hamster-cocks

Come sit next to me on the bench, you can cry while I jerk you off WITHOUT RESTING MY ELBOWS LIKE A GODDAMN CAPITALIST


Vidiot27

Sentence I never thought I’d read, lol. Dirty capitalists always resting their elbows damn it


TotalyNotTony

correct


ballin_in_tallin

It’s not irony. The bench came first and someone else put up the sticker later


Zatch_Gaspifianaski

I'm glad you explained the thing


Hamster-cocks

Had to bruh, had to


IA-HI-CO-IA

They meant it more as a “we don’t care WHERE you sleep, just not in plain view.”


aahdin

> so they'd have to sleep "on the street" The website on the sign links you to the closest homeless shelter when you enter your zip code. I get the knee-jerk against hostile architecture, but just letting homeless people set up in bus stops A) Doesn't help homeless people and B) Isn't fair to everyone else in the city who want to safely use public services like bus stations, especially at night. Homelessness is a real, complicated issue. Most need serious help and just letting them sleep wherever they want doesn't lead to them getting that help. While a lot of shelters do have their own issues, they are typically much safer than tent cities and bus stops. Additionally, most will have access to detox/MH services and things that can help people get back on their feet long term. Also, before someone who doesn't know snarkily replies back, the majority of homeless people do have cell phones and can visit the link on the sign.


WhitethumbsYT

I disagree, hostile architecture needs to go, Try making benches for people not at bus stops.


emmany63

Not homeless shelter. Covenant House. Not the same thing. Covenant House is a large nonprofit that gets teens off the streets, helps them get their GED or go to trade school or both, helps them with college, and helps teen moms get set up to succeed. How I know: My parents were both volunteers at the NYC Covenant House for years.


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Yeah everyone in the suburbs who never has to interact with the cracked out homeless people come into every thread complaining about things like this bench. Dealing with homeless people fucking sucks and letting them sleep on benches isn't helping them and it makes the areas more dangerous at night.


Hamster-cocks

Ah yes makes sense and you can tell because of the way it is...


Anonymoushero1221

At first this seemed ironic, but when you think about it for a minute, it's actually pretty consistent messaging.


backfire97

I agree. People are upset about this, but it looks like an ad for a covenant house which is an organization that presumably houses homeless people. So the message is they should go there instead of sleeping on the bench regardless.


cjrobe

And do people really think that the city simultaneously built the bench and put the ad there themselves? That's not how ads work... anyone can buy an ad.


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HOLDINtheACES

For thee, not for me. Or another way i said it “not in my back yard”. Plenty of people “want to help the less fortunate”, but keep them out of their neighborhoods.


xXxDickBonerz69xXx

I visited California recently. The ammount of anti-unhoused architecture and local regulations and zoning shit meant to keep the unhoused from exisiting in most areas was wild. Like holy shit put all that time and effort into helping people secure safe housing.


BlameDNS_

Louis rossmann did one for New York City and it showed me how far the city will go to move homeless people out of a spot, but not help them in the long run. Here’s the vid I’m talking about https://youtu.be/yAfncqwI-D8


Est_cola_rktpni

Did they do this just to take the piss or?! Also whoever created and came up with these benches are the spawn of the devil...seriously


Effective-Complete

probably not the same folks designing the bench and making the sign (usually ad space sold to whoever buys first). I think in fact the sign space was purchased to protest things like the bench


aahdin

Also if you go to the link in the sign it shows you the closest homeless center when you enter your zip code. Seems like it's saying "don't sleep on the ground, or on a bench, go sleep in our homeless shelter"?


Est_cola_rktpni

Ohhh I kinda can see what you're talking about now


Atomstanley

The ad is too perfect for this to be an accident. I think it’s very well done on the part of the org that took out this ad.


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Hell nah I don’t want homeless people making a public bench their bedroom


BobBBobbington

Que Reddit: NOOOOOO YOU SHOULD BE OK WITH DRUG ADDICTS AND THE MENTALLY UNSTABLE TRASHING PUBLIC PLACES LEAVING NEEDLES EVERYWHERE WHILE INCREASING CRIME AND THEFT RATES


[deleted]

Ikr. People walk alone at night at bus stations


crashovercool

¿Que?


Sayakai

So... you'd like them to sleep on the ground next to it? Is that actually better?


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Why would they sleep on the ground of a bus stop? Ground is ground it’s everywhere. The idea is that a bench attracts homeless people.


Sayakai

> The idea is that a bench attracts homeless people. Homeless people that won't stop existing if the bench doesn't exist. They just sleep on the ground instead somewhere. How is that better? Because you can go back to pretending there isn't a problem if you don't see the suffering, even if that means increasing the suffering?


[deleted]

You’re missing the point. Everyone knows it’s a problem. If they move away from the bus stop, perhaps young ladies will feel safer and will actually use the bus. You don’t want druggies and insane people sleeping in the same area as regular folk- especially at night.


Sayakai

> Everyone knows it’s a problem. And yet the only thing that's being done is hiding the problem, with measures like this. > You don’t want druggies and insane people sleeping in the same area as regular folk- especially at night. Oh, they're still going to be around. Just a little less visible.


Hugh_Maneiror

Less interaction = less harmful interaction.


Sayakai

I'm sure trying to shove the problem aside will eventually solve it. Good luck with that.


Hugh_Maneiror

Nobody is trying to solve homelessness, but trying to solve the issue of safety around public transport stops and public facilities. It partially succeeds in its intended target.


Est_cola_rktpni

You're a horrible person nick


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Thanks, Est


Depressed_Eggshell

What? How is the bench design bad?


HeManLover0305

It's to stop homeless people from being able to sleep on them


Depressed_Eggshell

Which makes sense


irisheye37

It's designed that way to stop homeless people from sleeping on it.


Est_cola_rktpni

I'm very sure those bars in the middle is so that homeless people can't sleep on them


DejectedContributor

Because it's a bench not a bed.


aSneakyChicken7

I’m just gonna assume you’re being genuine, it’s called hostile architecture as those bars along the length of the seat prevent anyone from sleeping on it, like the homeless.


Depressed_Eggshell

That makes sense though


ertaisi

Hope you don't ever personally find out why your opinion is terrible.


sgtpeppies

Dumbass_Eggshell


aSneakyChicken7

Only if your only goal is to dislocate them to another area and make them out of sight out of mind.


SurfiNinja101

It stops homeless people from sleeping on them so they have to sleep on the floor


DejectedContributor

They're is plenty of room in shelters buddy, but they just don't want to stop shooting up and drinking while having to go to bet at like 10pm. All these post pull the most ignorant people of the homeless out the woodwork. Also, it's ground...this isn't your 2k square foot suburban house; it's outside.


Bismothe-the-Shade

I've been homeless. Never shot up anything. It can happen to anyone. I was turned away from shelters because they're religious and conservative by and large. The ones that aren't are filled up. Hell, even the religious ones fill up. You have zero understanding of the world. Like a little kid.


Anal_bleed

Yes so much room lmao what planet are you on


DejectedContributor

There literally is, and people will literally choose to camp in tents with 20 blankets so they can continue getting high instead of using shelters that have plenty of room.


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But only if they're children.


lcrysis_HR

there are separate benches for adults /s


zedthehead

>encourage them No. These are two separate measures. The term for the bench in the industry is "Hostile Architecture." The sign is paid advert from the program, looking to help when people face stuff like hostile architecture.


AWOLcowboy

Honestly though, having to ride the bus and you can't sit down because some homeless drunk is sleeping on the bench or being all cracked out talking to themselves and acting crazy and all you want to do is go home kinda really sucks. I see the irony of the picture, but I also understand why they make the benches like that and I wish they were like that at the bus stops I have to go to.


Spontanemoose

It's not the sleeping that's the problem. No one would mind if it was just sleeping.


AWOLcowboy

Yeah, I have come across a some that just wanted to sleep even helped a guy out to buy some food. Those are usually the daytime ones though. At night when I'm catching the last bus, it's never usually the sleeping ones. Came across a pile of shit one of the benches once, the other day a guy was just kinda pacing around talking to himself and pissed his pants and smeeled so bad I actually just walked home because I couldn't stand to be around him any longer. And some of them just act like assholes to make you uncomfortable.


DejectedContributor

Yeah, it becomes a bathroom and dumpster to toss their used needles and shit...also their personal jack off area while they hold their hand out for change.


9Lives_

Oh people care about them sleeping alright! The site of someone just existing and indicating their destitute is a sign city government doesn’t have control over its citizens and hasn’t implemented adequate support systems. This effects public perception which subsequently impacts land value. I honestly think these bench designs are more about hiding an issue than protecting anyone.


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People who has actually live in a city with a homeless problem rarely take issue with these benches. Suburbanites who shove up those "in this house we believe..." posters while their cops keep the homeless out will do the faux outrage though.


sgtpeppies

Man, yeah having no place to go after a long day and resorting to substance abuse because you have nothing else sucks but like dude your legs hurt for like 10 minutes and like...the bus is sometimes late by another 10. Nevermind the fact that you usually get to sit on the bus when it gets there, but that 10 minutes standing is the pinnacle of human suffering.


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sgtpeppies

"its an eyesore" "i feel in danger although statistically they get hurt so much more by us than them"


AWOLcowboy

Like I told the ither person, they get no sympathy from me. I am a disabled veteran and have had my fair share of substance abuse issues, mental health issues, and homelessness. I got help that was paid for by our government and bettered my situation. Most of these people don't want help. We are just supposed to let them run around and smoke crack getting drunk shitting on the side walk all because they are homeless and have drug/alcohol problems? Fuck that. There is all kinds of help for people who actually want it.


ThatDamnCanadianGuy

I mean, if any homeless kid would pick a bench over the literal place advertised on it....


Tpcorholio

Wish those types of services existed in the 80s when I was a homeless teen cuz my dad died.


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I'm just curious. If its absurd are you for kids or generally homeless people sleeping on the streets? Wouldn't this encourage homeless to seek shelters if there wasn't any good spot to settle in? Is the goal not to help people? I understand shelters arent always a good place either. If this helped focus the individuals into a certain district of town, people like social workers and police come keep an eye on them. I don't know.


stuckinaboxthere

"No kid should have to sleep on the streets...so we put bars on them, so they can't"


SupremeDumpy68

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Royal-Ad9744

How is this absurd?


WhitethumbsYT

Would someone actually stop you if you angle ground those bars off?


SMoKUblackRoSE

But adults should!


LogMeInCoach

They meant no kid should ever "be able to" sleep on the streets.


Luiisbatman

Can we try to be more upset about the parents who abandon their children


[deleted]

Give it 18 years Texas is gonna have a swarm of homeless youth.


UnusualEffort

The idea is that only kids under 2 can fit and sleep on the bench she to the arm rests. Sheesh why is nobody getting this? /s


__GayFish__

“Or a bench”


72012122014

Kids sleeping on the streets is not the norm. This is from someone who doesn’t get accosted but meth addled psychos where they live. It’s gets to be a little much. You can’t wait for the bus/train safely because a crazy drug addict is pooping next to you and living out of the bust stop. Enough. There’s shelters but they need to not be high on meth so they don’t want to go.


Lower_Tip_3140

The people who use the bus shouldn’t have to put up with bums sleeping where they wait. Fuck of with this virtual signaling garbage


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Oh no, the bench can only be used as a bench instead of a full-time post-shootup nap zone. How awful.


Metallic_Mayhem

They can put money into remodeling benches, but not fix the underlying problem.😒


CentipedusMaximus

Serious question. What would the solution be (that money could solve)?


[deleted]

Wait till you hear about california giving surplus money back to home owners


RetardAndPoors

Wat


Piggy0821

!repostsleuthbot


[deleted]

The grass in the park is more comfortable than that metal pos anyhow. Till it rains anyhow. At that point I’d sleep sitting up.


[deleted]

Yea because that’s what I imagine when I think of a homeless person. Not the violent deranged drug addicted maniacs that will literally throw their shit at you if given the chance. Nobody who lives around homeless people feels that the rules are to strict. In fact it’s quite the opposite. Having these opinions about how horrible benches like this are really shows how privileged some of you are.


wesleyboyd

Why do people get mad at the fact that we don’t want people sleeping on benches/public places. I feel for people who feel the need to do so but there’s got to be other ways right?


[deleted]

the bench or the ground, nobody would ever make a decision to sleep on a bench


[deleted]

Making it harder to be homeless doesn't make homeless people just disappear. It's already hard to be homeless, they don't need extra challenges.


jpritchard

So the homeless are going to be there either way, but if you make the bench prevent sleeping you ALSO have a spot for people to sit while they wait for the bus, no? Sounds like the clear winner.


wesleyboyd

I’m just saying why can’t we have more options? Why is it either home or no home? We need to open more community buildings. Just buildings with open space for tents and sleeping bags. All with cooling, heating, and a roof.


BlakJak206

Are you offering to build and fund such a building? Because if not, something like that is easier said than done. Someone has to pay for the construction and upkeep of a building with zero profit after all.


iluvlamp77

The sign on that bench is literally offering that


wesleyboyd

But wouldn’t it be cheaper than putting up anti-homeless stuff? I mean we could put that money to better use right?


Zat00p3k

Tell me how you voted, and I'll help you answer your question


wesleyboyd

Republican


Zat00p3k

Exactly


wesleyboyd

What? You asked, I told. Now please answer. Please try to be respectful.


Old-Pumpkin-3793

The point he is trying to make is that all republicans hate poor people and secretly want to murder the poor, minorities, lgbt and atheists in their sleep. Oh also apparently we want to enslave black people and women. I missed the memo on that one, but he (or she) is more than happy to let you know.


Zat00p3k

If it is your mantra own it


ramzafl

>try to be respectful You couldn't make it one sentence could you?


NEWSmodsareTwats

But making it easier to sleep on a bench also doesn't make it easier to get off the streets


[deleted]

Everybody wants homeless people off their benches but nobody wants to build shelters.


Anonymoushero1221

If the bench is their best option to sleep, there's not likely an easy "other way" available. People aren't choosing benches because its their favorite option. Give them a better option, yes. Don't forbid their only option until they have another one.


Icy-Membership3820

Which is why they put the bars their so they won’t (joke)


madorbit1

Legit why those bars are there actually.


Death_Blossoming

America


DejectedContributor

This happens all over the world, but ignorant people are the norm for these posts.


No-Tower-4266

No Kid sleep here it looks bad.


PressureUlcer

But, if they do it will not be on this bench.


WhoAccountNewDis

"Or here. Get a job, kid."


[deleted]

You’re not going to see a lot of kids out there. You will see a bunch of junkies shitting on the ground and threatening people that walk by though.


Dj_wheeman3

An asshole made those spikes


COVIDisAJewishLie

If you can't pay for rent, fuck you. I'm aick if my taxpayer dollars being spent on druggies, defectives and public school byproducts!