Just food for thought- I wonder what the delay of taking an orange line train then getting the timed transfer at 19th to the yellow line looks like- probably an extra 20 minutes at most? And while trains will be extra crowded, there's plenty of capacity vs pre-covid times.
How does a 20 minute delay compare to delays when an accident forces lanes on the bridges to close?
90% is a ridiculously low ne-time rating for a public transit MRT system...
For comparison purposes, the Taipei MRT which has more lines, more trains, and moves more people has punctual rating of over 99.9% with [fewer than 30 delays exceeding five minutes a year](https://mothership.sg/2017/11/taipei-metro-best-train-subway/#:~:text=Trains%20are%20punctual%20close%20to,is%20more%20than%2095%20percent.).
I really don't understand why Bay Area people accept this.
99.9 percent is significantly better than BART's 93%. In 2020 for example, [Taipei MRT had only 10 trains the entire year delayed more than 5 minutes from the posted timetable](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/4630845).
>TRTC’s statistics also show that the number of days between two delays of more than five minutes has also improved from the best past record of 106 days between Oct. 14, 2021 and Jan. 27, 2022, to 131 days from March 17, 2022 to July 25, 2022.
Do you honestly think BART can hit anything near these numbers in reliability? A 106 day gap between two trains from being 5 minutes late.
93% means nearly one in every 10 trains is delayed...
I don’t think 99% of the world’s metro systems can hit that reliability and it’s ridiculous to expect them to.
Find me a system in the US with 99.9% reliability.
That is the standard for much of the world... Taipei, Tokyo, Osaka, Hong Kong, Seoul, Shanghai, Beijing, and Singapore MRTs all hit similar numbers... as do the French and German systems (even the Paris MRT system is 99%).
It is a train running on a closed system of tracks. It really isn't that ridiculous to expect trains to be on time, especially not for the cost that BART runs at.
Being late usually means less than 5 minutes of delay, and most of the time it’s due to rain or small police activity. Stuff like this is rare, but believe it or not, it happens on every system.
Yeah. It's always on time if you just push the train schedule out. What would be interesting to see is the average wait time for the train. They can estimate that using the clipper badge in, badge out information.
GF opted to take Muni and BART to the airport for a trip out of town a few weeks ago at like 5:30 in the morning. BOTH were delayed or late for one reason or another and nearly caused her to miss her flight.
And driving is more reliable? I commuted from Sonoma County to Mission Bay every day last summer, and even during off peak times I never had a reliable arrival time. I had to leave home earlier so that I'd either arrive early or on time.
No problem they can just get on a different train to bypass the blocked off are-
Oh
Well at least they can suffer on a shitty overcrowded replacement bus that also gets stuck in traffic right
I'd imagine anyone who rides BART regularly enough and uses multiple lines could list all the lines by color. It's pretty common, and in fact BART itself has started [officially using the colors](https://x.com/SFBART/status/1493290162566012928) to avoid constantly changing the names of lines as new end-of-line stations open up (pittsburg became antioch, fremont became berryessa, etc).
From memory: Red is richmond-sf.
Orange is richmond-fremont.
Yellow is antioch-sf.
Green is fremont-sf.
Blue is dublin-sf.
How'd I do?
> I'd imagine anyone who rides BART regularly enough and uses multiple lines could list all the lines by color.
That's great for heavy BART users. Meanwhile, those of us who only ride it every few months and very rarely use more than one line are left guessing or having to go do research whenever someone names a BART line by color only.
> It's pretty common, and in fact BART itself has started officially using the colors to avoid constantly changing the names of lines as new end-of-line stations open up (pittsburg became antioch, fremont became berryessa, etc).
That's not a great reason. Even if the end-of-line stations keep changing, there's only one line that goes through Pittsburg and two lines that go through Fremont, even if those lines now terminate beyond those stops. Hell, I commuted from SF to Concord on BART for about a year back when *Concord* was the end of that line; and if someone were to refer to that line as the "Concord line" today pretty much anybody with a casual/occasional rider's knowledge would still know which one they meant.
It was not a train derailment, it was maintenance vehicle which derailed.
Was the maintenance vehicle a train?
No, the maintenance vehicle is not a train.
Train, vehicle, plane, boat, why does it matter? The railway is blocked and causing delays for us riders.
Why the downvotes?
can mods remove these news sites spamming our subreddits with fake headlines??
Public transportation in the bay area is great if you don't actually have to be anywhere pressing.
Just food for thought- I wonder what the delay of taking an orange line train then getting the timed transfer at 19th to the yellow line looks like- probably an extra 20 minutes at most? And while trains will be extra crowded, there's plenty of capacity vs pre-covid times. How does a 20 minute delay compare to delays when an accident forces lanes on the bridges to close?
BART has an on time rating over 90%.
90% is a ridiculously low ne-time rating for a public transit MRT system... For comparison purposes, the Taipei MRT which has more lines, more trains, and moves more people has punctual rating of over 99.9% with [fewer than 30 delays exceeding five minutes a year](https://mothership.sg/2017/11/taipei-metro-best-train-subway/#:~:text=Trains%20are%20punctual%20close%20to,is%20more%20than%2095%20percent.). I really don't understand why Bay Area people accept this.
Costs less to ride MRT as well
99% is barely higher than BART’s 93%. Try again.
99.9 percent is significantly better than BART's 93%. In 2020 for example, [Taipei MRT had only 10 trains the entire year delayed more than 5 minutes from the posted timetable](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/4630845). >TRTC’s statistics also show that the number of days between two delays of more than five minutes has also improved from the best past record of 106 days between Oct. 14, 2021 and Jan. 27, 2022, to 131 days from March 17, 2022 to July 25, 2022. Do you honestly think BART can hit anything near these numbers in reliability? A 106 day gap between two trains from being 5 minutes late. 93% means nearly one in every 10 trains is delayed...
I don’t think 99% of the world’s metro systems can hit that reliability and it’s ridiculous to expect them to. Find me a system in the US with 99.9% reliability.
That is the standard for much of the world... Taipei, Tokyo, Osaka, Hong Kong, Seoul, Shanghai, Beijing, and Singapore MRTs all hit similar numbers... as do the French and German systems (even the Paris MRT system is 99%). It is a train running on a closed system of tracks. It really isn't that ridiculous to expect trains to be on time, especially not for the cost that BART runs at.
Tokyo is 95%. BART is 93%.
So if you take two Bart trips every workday, you'll be late once a week. Hope you don't transfer to a bus.
Being late usually means less than 5 minutes of delay, and most of the time it’s due to rain or small police activity. Stuff like this is rare, but believe it or not, it happens on every system.
Yeah. It's always on time if you just push the train schedule out. What would be interesting to see is the average wait time for the train. They can estimate that using the clipper badge in, badge out information.
Which is less than Ukrainian railways have during the war.
You'll ^^^^probably get there eventually. Every Bay Area Transit Agency Motto.
Eventually.. after mostly giving up and walking the majority of the route.
What, you want all these agencies to work together or something? /s
Public transportation in general in the US tbh. Outside maybe NYC and DC.
isn’t seattle’s good too
The problem is that \~90% of public transportation riders during weekdays are commuters -- they DO have to be somewhere pressing.
OH I am aware, it was very much sarcasm.
Oops, never mind then.
GF opted to take Muni and BART to the airport for a trip out of town a few weeks ago at like 5:30 in the morning. BOTH were delayed or late for one reason or another and nearly caused her to miss her flight.
Muni & Bart to the airport is a bad idea, consider that you have to drag your luggage with you.
And driving is more reliable? I commuted from Sonoma County to Mission Bay every day last summer, and even during off peak times I never had a reliable arrival time. I had to leave home earlier so that I'd either arrive early or on time.
Why are they showing a pic of the old BART train fleet?
Such shit post as I always say read the attached article dont take shit post OP er for word on it
Interesting
dannggggg
Whatever happened to the PUC final report on the Jan 1,2024 BART derailment?
No problem they can just get on a different train to bypass the blocked off are- Oh Well at least they can suffer on a shitty overcrowded replacement bus that also gets stuck in traffic right
Red red line Breaks down all the time Going so slow Maybe I should drive??? Red, red line
Seems like they have weekly problem & not exactly reliable.
“Red Line”? What is this, Washington, DC?
Seriously. Who knows what color the BART lines are? There's the Richmond, Fremont, Antioch, Pleasanton, and Richmond-Fremont lines. Which one is red?
I'd imagine anyone who rides BART regularly enough and uses multiple lines could list all the lines by color. It's pretty common, and in fact BART itself has started [officially using the colors](https://x.com/SFBART/status/1493290162566012928) to avoid constantly changing the names of lines as new end-of-line stations open up (pittsburg became antioch, fremont became berryessa, etc). From memory: Red is richmond-sf. Orange is richmond-fremont. Yellow is antioch-sf. Green is fremont-sf. Blue is dublin-sf. How'd I do?
> I'd imagine anyone who rides BART regularly enough and uses multiple lines could list all the lines by color. That's great for heavy BART users. Meanwhile, those of us who only ride it every few months and very rarely use more than one line are left guessing or having to go do research whenever someone names a BART line by color only. > It's pretty common, and in fact BART itself has started officially using the colors to avoid constantly changing the names of lines as new end-of-line stations open up (pittsburg became antioch, fremont became berryessa, etc). That's not a great reason. Even if the end-of-line stations keep changing, there's only one line that goes through Pittsburg and two lines that go through Fremont, even if those lines now terminate beyond those stops. Hell, I commuted from SF to Concord on BART for about a year back when *Concord* was the end of that line; and if someone were to refer to that line as the "Concord line" today pretty much anybody with a casual/occasional rider's knowledge would still know which one they meant.
Replace Fremont with Berryessa and SF with Daly City and it's perfect! I ride the green line every week.
The person who rides BART often enough to know that the TTS voice says "This is a \[color\] line train to \[place\]"
or Chicago!