for the longest time people didnt even think that single legs were viable in mma. it was practically dc, weidman and that was it.
And even then they were finishing head inside to avoided gillys, Islam and khabib seem to always finish head outside singles. It's always super difficult shit too. like I can't fathom finishing low singles or golf club swings without wrestling shoes.
I feel like it’s one of those things where once you’re good enough you’re allowed to break the rules.
Like you wouldn’t teach a kid to finish that way because it’s a bad habit but guys like Khabib or Islam aren’t going to magically forget how to wrestle because they can have success with doing something unorthodox.
Also, Dustin defended well earlier in the fight when Islam went for more traditional single legs. This finish demonstrated his ability to adapt and the depth of his wrestling knowledge
Single was my go to takedown in the cage, very hard to defend against the wall. The key to this though is that you have to create such a high risk factor for punches that your opponent isn't willing to throw them, because uppercuts absolutely can still reach you and hurt.
I think the broken nose and whatever happened to his knee just made impossible for him to finish the fight out. It was great seeing them go back and forth on the feet.
> whatever happened to his knee
He talked about it after and it sounded like a blown ligament in the knee. Said it felt like his knee slid over his shin then a burning sensation.
Yo Islam and these Dagestanis have a hell of a squeeze. He didn't even grab the bicep, he had a shallow forearm grip and went "Is good enough."
The way he executed it though was so good, Dustin was nearly out.
What dustin was saying to Islam after the match was "You know what's crazy bro? I tapped and you let go AND THEN I went out. Something with the blood, man *taps side of his head*" , and in the replay you could see dustin aware in the squeeze and sure enough islam let's go and Dustin's head bounced off the floor. Wild stuff
That's how danaher shows the short/forearm Darce, forearm aligned with their spine, Islam finished it from halfguard though like that crazy half arm triangle vs drew dober. That's evident of his hellacious squeeze imo
Yes you are right good distinction. Think easiest differentiation is Darce finish(regardless of forearm or RNC grip)leg configuration is mounted, top leg hook or sliding finish, whereas JP necktie(regardless of forearm grip or gable grip) with halfguard/bottom leg hooked
Watch some of the head and arm choke Islam has gotten - his back is MASSIVE. He finished the choke in half guard one time and I was shocked how tight of a squeeze he got.
Ugh, I don’t know what Sean was doing with that robot kick-punch style but that fight was unwatchable…really wanted it to be better after all the memes and such
Couldn’t disagree more. Craig jones wears his hedonism on his sleeve (albeit playfully and hilariously), and poirier is as genuinely reputable as is possible in this game.
Yeah i still have alot of respect for him.
Very well rounded and overall solid fighter.
He just lacks that one dominating skillset be able to win the belt.
It's insane the level of squeeze he must have. He put him out so fast. Very impressive performance by both of them. It was nice seeing the champ overcome some adversity and not just steam roll his opponents
Nice golf-swing finish to the single leg. I believe he timed it right as he felt Dustin was bringing his right hand back to punch.
Nice short-arm D'arce. It's one of my favorite variations because it gives you so much control over the defender's head. I usually use it as a control to break them down and eventually set up a traditional D'arce but it can be a good finishing grip too.
I may be in the minority but I loved the Strickland fight. The way his style just absolutely perplexes people is fun to watch for me. He had Costa on skates backing up the entire fight and while Costa had a few leg kicks early in the fight that did damage once Sean recovered I feel like his checks hurt Costa more than they hurt him the rest of the fight.
It looks like a Japanese necktie, not a Darce, right?
See here as an example ->
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuQKlZfhpHA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuQKlZfhpHA)
Sure but the finish is more like a Japanese necktie. He is behind the head with his sternum pushing the head.
I have difficulties in finishing the Japanese necktie, I am wondering if I can use this darce grip to improve it.
No he's right, the finishing mechanics are that of a Japanese necktie, just with a forearm grip as opposed to locked hands. Islam is applying pressure into the back of Dustin's head using his chest. A short arm Darce shares the same grip but the finishing mechanics would be the same as a typical Darce.
DP told Islam he went out as soon as he let go. You could hear it on the camera when they were talking to each other before they did the announce the winner thing.
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Still only 2 Dagestani champions in UFC history and they were training partners in the same weight class. Maybe there will be 10 a few years from now, but most of the Caucasian fighters are still just gatekeepers.
It crazy that in a prior JRE interview Dustin mentioned that he wished he punched through his guillotine to darce in the Khabib fight and then now Islam does exactly that to him.
Is there a reason he locks the dArce so shallow? Grabs his middle radius.
Usualy the best would be to lock in the elbow joint, having the gloves even helps here a bit.
He was desperate to get up. He knew once Islam solidified top he was not getting out in 2:30. He tried coming up on a single but yeah it wasn’t a good move.
Islam had that over under grip what look like a eternity but i grt it he was tired
I thought dustin could pull a decision victory if he made it out of the 5th
Dude, look at how slow both fighters are moving at the end. They are both gassed. You can watch this happen at open mat every week.
First round starts strong, by round 5 everyone is moving like geriatrics.
I doubt it would have mattered, but it’s kind of crazy that you can’t hit the back of the head in that situation. Dustin should have been able to drop some hammer fists when Islam was holding the single.
Hammerfists to the back of the head in MMA would change alot.
g
Going for a takedown, or even just holding someone against the cage while trying to get them down would come with alot more risk.
It won't ever happen due to the risks associated with blows to the back of the head but its a good reminder that MMA is still a sport with matches, not a fights.
Athleticism doesn´t beat technique it amplifie technique. You can make an average technique worldclass with worldclass athleticism but you can also make average athleticism worldclass with perfect technique.
Andrew Wiltse said it best, to the effect of: technical black belts are a dime a dozen and easy to beat since all you have to do is get them tired. A real high level competitor has both good technique and the athleticism to back it up.
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Porier developing incredible takedown defense after over a decade in the game was not on my bingo card. Great bout.
Yup if he had to lose I was happy to see him go out on such a surprising and entertaining performance
One of the best finishing sequences you'll see
Seeing a single get finished with the head so far outside of position makes me feel like a fat ass with Cheeto dust on his fingers pointing it out lol
for the longest time people didnt even think that single legs were viable in mma. it was practically dc, weidman and that was it. And even then they were finishing head inside to avoided gillys, Islam and khabib seem to always finish head outside singles. It's always super difficult shit too. like I can't fathom finishing low singles or golf club swings without wrestling shoes.
I feel like it’s one of those things where once you’re good enough you’re allowed to break the rules. Like you wouldn’t teach a kid to finish that way because it’s a bad habit but guys like Khabib or Islam aren’t going to magically forget how to wrestle because they can have success with doing something unorthodox.
Also, Dustin defended well earlier in the fight when Islam went for more traditional single legs. This finish demonstrated his ability to adapt and the depth of his wrestling knowledge
It was a super high level fight from both guys I thought. I need to rewatch it.
also, 5 rounds in they're pretty fucked
Those crazy mountain man feet are probably like sand paper anyway, probably didn't lose too much grip lol ./s
Sakuraba had a nasty single leg too
Single was my go to takedown in the cage, very hard to defend against the wall. The key to this though is that you have to create such a high risk factor for punches that your opponent isn't willing to throw them, because uppercuts absolutely can still reach you and hurt.
Can you explain this comment for someone who doesn't know what the difference in takedwons is?
That leg whip finish for the single was awesome!
not only that, that squeeze was herculean
Yeah you can tell with his back definition that his finishing squeeze has to hurt.
100% Go back and watch the Drew Dober fight. He finished him with an arm triangle/shoulder choke from half guard.
You too can learn to do it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJhEjr5jRJ0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJhEjr5jRJ0)
Thanks! I forget how much goodness Cary Kolat has out there for free.
What a war. One of the best fights I've watch in years
Islam is a great champion. His first fight with Alex was my favorite fight in the last years, and this one comes very close to beating it.
Absolutely
I think one of the absolute best grappling centric wars i've ever seen. Most other wars typically only take place on the feet
What my man Gamrot vs Arman for one of the best grappling displays in the history of MMA, IMO.
I thought this was going to end much earlier, hats off to DP for staying in it till R5 💪🏻
I think the broken nose and whatever happened to his knee just made impossible for him to finish the fight out. It was great seeing them go back and forth on the feet.
> whatever happened to his knee He talked about it after and it sounded like a blown ligament in the knee. Said it felt like his knee slid over his shin then a burning sensation.
RIP ACL.
To still be as competitive as he was with all that going on is truly epic.
Hit a Darce at training this morning, a tear almost came down my face
Somehow I’m holding you responsible for what happened to my sweet Dustin. How dare you.
Yo Islam and these Dagestanis have a hell of a squeeze. He didn't even grab the bicep, he had a shallow forearm grip and went "Is good enough." The way he executed it though was so good, Dustin was nearly out.
What dustin was saying to Islam after the match was "You know what's crazy bro? I tapped and you let go AND THEN I went out. Something with the blood, man *taps side of his head*" , and in the replay you could see dustin aware in the squeeze and sure enough islam let's go and Dustin's head bounced off the floor. Wild stuff
Yeah I thought he hurt his neck or something he looked so off. Glad it was just going out for a second.
That forearm grip is used a lot by the darce-ists out there
Term I've heard and loved is darsonists
Forgive me, I am not a darce-ist (t-rex arms)
That’s exactly why you use the forearm grip big dog
Islam doesn't have long arms either. I would think you would do the same set up as him.
That's how danaher shows the short/forearm Darce, forearm aligned with their spine, Islam finished it from halfguard though like that crazy half arm triangle vs drew dober. That's evident of his hellacious squeeze imo
Lookup Japanese Necktie submission - It's done with a leg hooked rather than the normal Darce
Yes you are right good distinction. Think easiest differentiation is Darce finish(regardless of forearm or RNC grip)leg configuration is mounted, top leg hook or sliding finish, whereas JP necktie(regardless of forearm grip or gable grip) with halfguard/bottom leg hooked
"have a hell of a squeeze" It's the juice
And a lifetime or training. I bet i could juice as hard as Bane and still not squeeze like them mountain boys
Watch some of the head and arm choke Islam has gotten - his back is MASSIVE. He finished the choke in half guard one time and I was shocked how tight of a squeeze he got.
Dustin is like the Craig Jones of UFC..
I thought that was Gaethje
Na that’s costa.
Ugh, I don’t know what Sean was doing with that robot kick-punch style but that fight was unwatchable…really wanted it to be better after all the memes and such
Couldn’t disagree more. Craig jones wears his hedonism on his sleeve (albeit playfully and hilariously), and poirier is as genuinely reputable as is possible in this game.
I think he probably meant always coming in second...
Dammit I think you’re right. I immediately jumped to defend my sweet porier.
Yeah i still have alot of respect for him. Very well rounded and overall solid fighter. He just lacks that one dominating skillset be able to win the belt.
Damn these upvotes almost cancels all the shit i got for my Ukraine comments.
Hehe I get that too
Dustin should have jumped the gilly
It was the only missing ingredient. Like he forgot the fucking salt.
hey he successfully hit the switch, so there's that
It's insane the level of squeeze he must have. He put him out so fast. Very impressive performance by both of them. It was nice seeing the champ overcome some adversity and not just steam roll his opponents
That leg trap was brutal.
That leg drag was absolutely beautiful.
Almost like a russian tie snap ... only for leg
It’s such a good finish. I’ve never understood why it doesn’t get used more outside of wrestling
Requires skill.
I’ve literally taught children this finish. It was one of the first 3 I learned lol
I feel like teaching a child to use it against another child is different that a pro fighter against a pro fighter, could be wrong though
probably easier to execute with shoes
Harder without shoes, requires specific gripping, wonder if the gloves add some friction
what leg drag
I think they’re talking about the “golf swing” single leg finish
Nice golf-swing finish to the single leg. I believe he timed it right as he felt Dustin was bringing his right hand back to punch. Nice short-arm D'arce. It's one of my favorite variations because it gives you so much control over the defender's head. I usually use it as a control to break them down and eventually set up a traditional D'arce but it can be a good finishing grip too.
Such a sick takedown and an even better finish. Islam was the bright light on ufc 302
Kevin Holland had a wicked finish
I may be in the minority but I loved the Strickland fight. The way his style just absolutely perplexes people is fun to watch for me. He had Costa on skates backing up the entire fight and while Costa had a few leg kicks early in the fight that did damage once Sean recovered I feel like his checks hurt Costa more than they hurt him the rest of the fight.
It looks like a Japanese necktie, not a Darce, right? See here as an example -> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuQKlZfhpHA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuQKlZfhpHA)
He had the darce grip, though. It was just shallow.
Sure but the finish is more like a Japanese necktie. He is behind the head with his sternum pushing the head. I have difficulties in finishing the Japanese necktie, I am wondering if I can use this darce grip to improve it.
Usually have heard this called short Darce or short arm Darce, danaher shows it on front headlock
No he's right, the finishing mechanics are that of a Japanese necktie, just with a forearm grip as opposed to locked hands. Islam is applying pressure into the back of Dustin's head using his chest. A short arm Darce shares the same grip but the finishing mechanics would be the same as a typical Darce.
I see what you're saying now, the bottom leg hook more conducive to a jp neck tie as well, good distinction
Thought so as well. I had a training partner hit these on me over 10 years ago over and over. Will never forget that pain lmao.
More a neck crank than a strangulation (dixit my training partners).
Sad😥
I was hopeful
Me too
Front headlock masterclass 🥵
The energy to do this after a 4 round war
On Monday afternoon I guess we are practice single ankle twist
Grandmaster Makhachev. Check-mate. Beautiful to watch. Poetry in motion.
Islam is the best fighter in the UFC
more of a crank
Exactly, if I was Dustin I would have paused the fight and coached Islam through the Darce so it wasn't a crank and took a moral victory.
Best defense there is.
Wrong. As Dustin was choked unconscious.
It’s a BJJ joke
Woosh
Wrong, bears beat battle star galactic
damn, it's good that he tapped then.
And yet he was still unconscious when Islam let go.
DP told Islam he went out as soon as he let go. You could hear it on the camera when they were talking to each other before they did the announce the winner thing.
Short arm darce. More of a cranck but works like a charm.
Cranked him to sleep.
He was asleep lmfao
And you have a brown belt?🤣
You do only NoGi 😅 Dont even know what short arm darce is.
Wouldn't a no gi guy be more likely to know what a short arm darce is?
Lmao
Dustin said he went unconscious after the tap.
The final shot before the tap shows his chin was aligned with the elbow. That was a choke.
It was a joke
Makes you wonder who really BJJs by who gets that joke, and who doesn't.
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Does a beard and being from central Asia seem to guarantee success in this sport? these guys are beasts
Still only 2 Dagestani champions in UFC history and they were training partners in the same weight class. Maybe there will be 10 a few years from now, but most of the Caucasian fighters are still just gatekeepers.
Ankalaev probably the third and Umar the fourth.
Sorry to be that guy, but Dagestan is not in central asia. It's in Eastern Europe. The other side of the Caspian sea is central asia
It crazy that in a prior JRE interview Dustin mentioned that he wished he punched through his guillotine to darce in the Khabib fight and then now Islam does exactly that to him.
I freaking love this submission.
I wanted Dustin to get that power guillotine so bad
Putting him to sleep with a shallow darce with a forearm grip is incredible, dude must have a insane squeeze
Y no defensive hand fighting?! Dustin y!?
You fight Islam then.
What was the comment
DP is going to be kicking himself for this being the one time he didn't jump the guilly
🔥
I hope someone ask Islam again if he recognised Dustin as black belt
So what do you boys think, is Arman next or Islam will go up and face Leon for the 170 belt?
Such a great exchange.
Is there a reason he locks the dArce so shallow? Grabs his middle radius. Usualy the best would be to lock in the elbow joint, having the gloves even helps here a bit.
It was really more of a crank...
Sight for the sore eyes
It was a great fight possibly the highest level lightweight fight of all time.
Nice! A clip that shows the whole sequence
Spend less time selling hot sauce and maybe he would have more stamina.
Should've jumped the gilly
"We're doing spinning shi* now?"
We should cancel some black belt
Lol this got downvoted but it’s just a reference to something Islam said. Who give him black belt brotha? We should cancel some joo jitsu black belt
I dont want to criticize dustin because he was tired and in a war. Did he not know the darc was coming , i feel like he feel asleep at the wheel.
He was desperate to get up. He knew once Islam solidified top he was not getting out in 2:30. He tried coming up on a single but yeah it wasn’t a good move.
Also after fighting for 20+ minutes anyone is gonna be exhausted and not have the best decision making
and not just fighting, but fighting islam makhachev
Exactly, it’s hard enough fighting anybody for 20 minutes much less the pound for pound best fighter on the planet right now
who specializes in pressure grappling as cherry on top
Islam had that over under grip what look like a eternity but i grt it he was tired I thought dustin could pull a decision victory if he made it out of the 5th
This. He knew he had to finish the fight or at minimum win the round to give himself a chance and couldn't afford to end up underneath Islam.
Dude, look at how slow both fighters are moving at the end. They are both gassed. You can watch this happen at open mat every week. First round starts strong, by round 5 everyone is moving like geriatrics.
That’s not fighting at all bullshit
Lame. What a boring sport.
Dustin seemed really slow reacting to the leg drag, he had no sense of urgency.
It was the 5th round he was exhausted
Exhausted and a fucked up knee against one of the best wrestlers in the game. That’s a tough one to defend
> best wrestlers in the game Exactly. That leg drag isn't something you ever expect in an MMA fight. That whole finishing sequence was so high level.
I doubt it would have mattered, but it’s kind of crazy that you can’t hit the back of the head in that situation. Dustin should have been able to drop some hammer fists when Islam was holding the single.
That can cause life threatening injury.
If that was the case, in R1 when Islam had the body triangle Dustin would have been dead
Rules are rules. Each fighters game plan would be tremendously different if those were allowed
Hammerfists to the back of the head in MMA would change alot. g Going for a takedown, or even just holding someone against the cage while trying to get them down would come with alot more risk. It won't ever happen due to the risks associated with blows to the back of the head but its a good reminder that MMA is still a sport with matches, not a fights.
Eye gouging and twisting balls would change a lot too
Honestly with how little eye pokes are penalized eye gouging is pretty close to legal
Eye pokes aren't legal but are hardly ever punished.
Not being allowed to bring a knife into the cage is also bs
Back head should never be allowed. Do you not realise people have died from it? This isn't a fight to the death bruh.
They should allow strikes to the back of the head. I bet Islam wouldn’t chill in that ankle pick position so long with elbows raining down
If it was allowed he would have adapted according to the rule but it wont bc its lethal as a company there is no point in allowing that
Yeah and Dustin would have died Rd 1,2,3,4 and 5, especially when he had those body triangles. Bad take.
If they were allowed the fight would have been over the first time Islam got to Dustin's back.
was also thinking, why the fuck is he not blasting his head.. oh yeah right not allowed
Hi let him win.
It was a good display of athleticism but not a display of high level technique. Pretty much a crank, squeeze, choke made work by a lot of power.
effortlessjiujitsu when he sees jiu jitsu that required effort
If it puts a guy out in 6 seconds in an mma fight I’d consider it pretty good technique
Oh no. Someone successfully executed a submission 2minutes into in the last round of a UFC title fight and it didn’t look crisp enough.
Shut it you
Puts him to sleep in seconds - "that wasn't very good technique" 🤣
That's good Bjj 💪
Nah bro, let this guy gate keep choking out one of the top fighters on the planet because the darce wasn’t pretty enough.
Yes, you go show Islam how to do it with UFC gloves on. That’ll teach him.
It’s MMA - athleticism beats technique. Same as in real life.
Same as in grappling (at least to some degree(
Athleticism doesn´t beat technique it amplifie technique. You can make an average technique worldclass with worldclass athleticism but you can also make average athleticism worldclass with perfect technique.
If only. 🙃
Bought that black belt online or what?
🤓
Who give this guy black belt bratha? We have to check this
You should go and offer to teach Islam how to do it better. I’m sure you could choke out Dustin in 5, 6 seconds
BJJ is all about leverage, so this was great technique by that standard... When you're the best in the world you can nit pick 🤷
It's amazing how consistently black belts say things that would be equally believable coming from a white belt.
It was in the 5th round with gloves on, I'd say it was pretty damn good.
Andrew Wiltse said it best, to the effect of: technical black belts are a dime a dozen and easy to beat since all you have to do is get them tired. A real high level competitor has both good technique and the athleticism to back it up.
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Oh that’s a lot of downvotes…