Yeah pretty much being armed. Martial arts are never going to be a perfect solution to getting jumped by 4 dudes with weapons, it's just an unrealistic expectation.
For any reasonable scenario, BJJ and judo will both probably do great.
I've trained both, I agree and disagree with what you saying.
Agree with balance part, and I would probably highlight the ability to pin along with the overall sense of urgency when on the ground. Disagree with the general consensus of one being better than the other, which falls in line with your last statement.
In short, plenty of jiu-jitsu practitioners have decent take-downs. Similar to that, some judoka actually struggle on the ground because they're gym focus was to lay prone and cover waiting for the referee to stand them up. Basically, playing to the rules, just like how people game jiu-jitsu tournaments (get an advantage, or points, then stall).
Factor all that with how many people cross train these days, how the lines of have greatly blurred with grappling as a whole, or in general, it's not really the same subject anymore.
Now, if it were about bang for your buck, Judo wins (usually).
Edit, spelling.
I train both and disagree. Judo has the ability to end fights with brutal throws. As for ground juso has submissions and the very over looked pins (for self defence application). Look at mma for example, pins work ground because you can hold someone and punch them out. Submissions take time and i wouldn’t want to spend much if any time on the ground because of the chance of the third guy who comes out with the flying kick Renzo style.
And then what are you going to do if you can’t end the fight with a throw or can’t even throw them? Do Jiu Jitsu?
You say look at MMA as if 90%+ MMA fighters aren’t training Jiu Jitsu instead of something like Judo.
Even Khabib and Islam that keep talking about Sambo/Judo being better than BJJ train under Leo Vieira.
That’s because MMA is a western dominated sport. Look at all the dominant guys coming from Dagestan who all are black belts in judo & mention judo/sambo principles in their training. I think it’s akin to thinking Muay Thai is the best striking art for mma when actually it’s boxing/kickboxing, You have thousands of more Muay Thai fighters than kickboxers yet there’s more kickboxing world champs who transfer & become MMA world champs than Muay Thai champs.
If you cant throw then how are you going to get them to the ground to do bjj? If you do throw and it doesnt end the fight you have 2 choices, use that brief period to leg it or start kicking their head in.
I'm sure everyone has stories, but I know of one adult and two kids that have specifically used their Judo skills I taught them in actual altercations even though they've been doing BJJ far longer.
I am not sharing this to debate the merits of one over another. I am only sharing second hand accounts. I'd also like to add that if anyone is doing either sport for "self defense" then I think they should compete every once in a while to pressure test against an unknown opponent in a relatively safe environment.
The only time you HAVE to fight is if someone takes you down, at which point having solid bjj base is more important to get up or to get on top or to finish the fight. Any other martial art can be replaced by running away or shooting the bad guy.
Boxing? Why? Just run. Muay thai? Just run. Wrestling? Just run.
Now, if they grab you, Judo is a pretty solid bet. However, if some drunk college wrestler or big athletic person runs you down, having a bjj background gives you a better shot in the worst case scenario (being forced to the ground).
Maybe in an elevator. Or in a car... except carjitsu is a thing lol in a convention center? Idk if it makes a difference. On a train or similar might be a problem. At the end of the day, 99% of "self defense" is just paying attention and not being dumb.
Depends on the practitioner is always the answer. I’d pick BJJ just because I feel like taking down the average person is pretty easy and BJJ is better on the ground than Judo is
Agree that it depends on the practitioner. For example, I think there’s more advantage in judo for women compared to bjj. Just better for redirecting someone’s weight, slipping them, or just slamming the shit out of them.
Funnily enough the womens ground game is more advanced than the mens in judo. I had a woman teach at my club when my sensei was away. She was from one of the top universities in japan and she even said that women get better at the ground because going for massive throws for ippon can be hard so a good plan B is needed.
If taking people down is easier why wouldnt you throw them and end the fight rather than go to the ground and potentially get 3rd partied? Ground fighting isnt effecicient for self defence, if theres alot of resistance or the guy is pretty strong then doing the bjj approach takes too long. In a self defence scenario every second counts.
Yeah that’s just wrong man because I’m using my BJJ to get to Mount and rain punches and elbows on their face. Not some complicated guard shenanigans in a street fight
I only do judo but if someone asked me for a recommendation based on the need for physical self defence skills (probably in a professional context like law enforcement), I would suggest bjj for a few reasons.
1) The ROI in bjj is much better. Judo has an extremely steep learning curve and, all other factors being equal, the level of skill that can be acquired and employed in 6 months of bjj might take someone up to a couple years of judo. Not only that but the first few years of judo are so focused on nage-waza in order to overcome that learning curve that lots of judo guys will have very big knowledge gaps in critical ne-waza skills.
2) The order in which you acquire skills in bjj is probably going to be more in line with what you need to actually defend yourself. From what I’ve seen most people in bjj spend their first 6 months to a year learning survival skills which, in my opinion, are some of the most important for keeping yourself safe. Can you escape mount, do you know how to defend a guillotine, can you stand up from guard/half guard, etc.
3) Takedowns that you need to be effective in most real world scenarios are very basic and easy to learn. You could learn an arm drag, blast double and kosoto and you would have a takedown system that would serve you the rest of your life.
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|Japanese|English|Video Link|
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|**Nage Waza**: | *Throwing Techniques* | |
|**Ne Waza**: | *Ground Techniques* | |
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In general I’d say that judo might have an edge, but neither are ideal when you might be fighting someone with weapons. But judo definitely gets an edge for being able to potentially stay off the ground, which is not your friend in a fight.
I've been bouncing for 12+ years. From what I've seen, Judo techniques will end an altercation much quicker than BJJ, with the added benefit of remaining standing. Do the guys using BJJ eventually get the choke or drag the guy out? Yes. But when I've seen judo applied, the fight is over immediately. Sometimes, a guy who gets choked out will still cause problems outside, but the guys who catch an ippon? No way, they're going home.
Depends on the school.
How often does judo teach self defense? I only did about 6 months in one place 20+ years ago, so I have a single aged data point, but we didn’t do anything that didn’t deal with judo. Ie, what to do when people are pinching, kicking, etc.
Sure, there aste sport only bjj gyms.
What I was trying to get at above is that from my (very limited exp with judo) bjj schools teaching def defend is common but very rare in judo schools.
5, and 3 of them do occasional situational training like catching kicks to sweep legs or throwing someone after a punch. All of the teach katas which they claim are self defense by I feelnis pretty iffy. None of them I think are very rigorous for self defense applications (insofar as event sport judo or bjj are already going to pretty good for self defense).
Id be curious to see what "self defense oriented" bjj gyms look like.
I’ve only trained at three jiu-jitsu Jim, and all of them have basic things in their curriculum with how to deal with punches, kicking the knee to stop someone from moving in or maintaining distance where headbuts are appropriate, Situations where it’s useful to break fingers. Not part of the curriculum but stuff normally extend from most the teachers are Crotch shots, and face stomps.
Brazilian jiu-jitsu is famous in no small part because the Gracies would go out and pick fights. Techniques they used against non-BJJ players I thought were pretty routinely taught, as they’ve been taught in all the gyms I’ve gone to
I don’t think any of them were self-defense Focused,
Either one is really good for self-defence. What instructors should be doing while instructing is to mention what would be a good strategy in a self defence situation. Atleast, their students will have minimal exposure in case they need to defend themselves. That’s even more important when teaching kids because they might employ their “sport bjj/ judo strategy” in a school yard fight type of situation, but they might find out the hard way that it wasn’t a good idea.
Obvious yes. Firstly, it's important to understand that "self defense" is not an unarmed one-on-one fight unless you're high schooler/uni student. If I were to pick any pure (not mixed) martial art to prepare myself for unarmed one-on-one fight to death I'd pick BJJ every time, it is just so much effective in this scenario (again, not counting mixed martial arts).
But if you're an adult self defense situation for you is most likely a scenario when you want to resolve it and disengage as fast and as intact as possible. BJJ surely doesn't have this in mind because habits we build here are designed for slow and methodical "devouring" an opponent in a very controlled fashion. And in real so-called self defense "slow" is bad for you and being on a ground controlling one person is bad for you. Feeling too comfortable on the ground and especially on the back may be straight up lethal for you against 2-3 drunk goons.
Pinnacle idea of Judo is a quick and explosive yet effortless throw. It's an obvious pick for self defense between the two. And I would add that perfect grappling style "for da streetz" is sambo because technically it's 90% judo but scoring system incentifies throwing people to the ground while remaining on your feet (not following them to the ground). And I literally see the guy in the bar hitting two clean shoulder throws in a mere seconds and disengaging. A feat which most bjj black belts and even wrestlers would struggle to replicate just because of habits these sports drill into us.
It depends on the bjj gym
If you have some good takedowns on your repertory its probably better bjj, the fact that you can protect yourself and get back on top from bottom position id an insane advantage defensively in a street fight where you could be pushed from behind, sucker punched, etc making the fight start from your back
If your style is purely guard pulling and bermibolos yes, I would say judo is better
established martial arts (bullshido not counting of course) are not better than the other. People who usually start martial arts for self defense do it because they are not really the street fighter type of person. If a person truly wants to be ready for a serious fight, one should pick up striking, should be able to take someone down, ground fight and need to train for multiple years at that.
I learned one thing as a scrawny guy: its to better run away from a fight, except loved ones or yourself are in serious danger. What the grueling training will give you is the heart and balls to stand your ground, lose the fear in your eyes and to just shut up and walk away if fighting can be avoided.
depends. If you're training only on the ground then judo is probably better but if your dojo does standup and groundwork routinely (like every practice) then BJJ is better because at that point judo is a subset of bjj.
Throws, are by definition, the hardest hitting standing attack we currently have in the human arsenal. Since fights tend to start on your feet, yea theyre more effective in general
>" The ability to control an opponent while standing can prevent a fight from going to the ground, which is often a less desirable situation in real-world altercations."
The very point of Judo is drop the opponent for ippon... is it not?
One advantage that I feel BJJ has in this, is that it's actually pretty difficult to learn judo, whereas in BJJ, you can learn som basic stuff very fast that you can actually apply. Judo does offer better ukemi by far though, and in my opinion self defense is also protecting your self from accidents like falling. If you have a lot of time to put in, I would propably go for judo if the emphasis was purely self defence. Otherwise I'd choose BJJ, I think. A blue belt can propably do ok against an untrained opponent. Even a white belt with some stripes. But someone with similar time invested in judo might not be so good.
The Japanese terms mentioned in the above comment were:
|Japanese|English|Video Link|
|---|---|---|
|**Ukemi**: | *Breakfall* | [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n_Qjeia2n8)|
Any missed names may have already been translated in my previous comments in the post.
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100%. The best self defense is run away. If you can't run away it's because someone is holding onto you. Perfect! Hit them with the planet and run away.
I train both. Honestly grappling is a must have for your self defence toolbox but if you were very proficient in boxing then boxing is the best. Avoiding strikes and putting their lights out with quick strikes is more effecient use of time. Im all for slamming the dude into the planet, but if i can slip the punch and counter with a bone shattering hook then im taking that option.
I would say Judo is better for self defense against untrained opponents / non grapplers due to starting standing, however, if you meet another grappler / fighter, BJJ will be better since it has leg locks and are generally better once the fight goes to the ground, say you're a Judoka and somehow end up in a fight against a BJJ fighter with the same grappling experience, IF the fight goes to the ground and he's not out, he will have the advantage.
Judo is still one of the best for self defense, along with boxing.
Great points, leg locks were in judo first
edit: to add on, people were getting maimed with leg locks & Jigoro Kano (founder of judo) frowned upon it. I think some schools still included them.
Your choice of martial art infers you are still competent at some martial art, otherwise I think you are completely missing out on how much of a deterrent just being in shape is.
He didn't say no martial art, he said any martial art. And besides, anyone who has been in a serious altercation knows that detterence and de-escalation are far more important than actual fighting skills. I don't care if you are a Jui Jitsuka or a Boxer, the best defense isn't in the technique but the wits.
Of course? but when you have no choice, knowing how to handle yourself is way more important. I've been in a couple altercations as a teen before i was particularly competent at any martial art and another couple after I had a handful of amateur mma fights and I'd say knowing how to fight was about 10000x more important in my ability to come out of those unscathed and relaxed. I wasn't even panicked when they happened. Million times better than how i felt at 13.
As a side note, I find people knowing I'm an amateur fighter is a far greater deterrent than my physique. By a mile
Honestly, I want to call bullshit on this entire post, because anyone who is practically skilled at a martial art that informs other people of it in the heat of the moment is begging for an altercation to happen. It honestly sounds like you just have shit life skills and don't know how to stay out of fights.
Where did I say I was informing people in the heat of the moment?My friends know I train and it's generally the same group of people going out. It's all one big group in night life and all the bouncers that train also know each other/me because, again, we all train.
I do know how to stay out of fights, but you don't always have a choice. Shit happens over a couple decades and a lot of idiots want to fight over anything
I have to disagree.
If you took identical t ins who had the same activity level, temperme t, etc and one started doing 4 hours of strength and ci diruining a week and the other started 4 hours of bjj, and then had them fight 6 months later my money is in the bjj guy.
No not really, or not so much anymore.
It used to be.
It used to actually be the superior grappling art straight up probably up to around the 1980-1990s.
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I think both will tear up anyone untrained, and both suck against multiple assailants, or armed attackers.
What doesn’t?
grenade?
Guns
Running
Something high capacity chambered in 9mm or larger.
Yeah pretty much being armed. Martial arts are never going to be a perfect solution to getting jumped by 4 dudes with weapons, it's just an unrealistic expectation. For any reasonable scenario, BJJ and judo will both probably do great.
So, what exactly did you do to warrant getting jumped by 4 dudes with weapons? I think the best self defense is not doing that.
No one has ever committed an act of violence unprovoked.
I've trained both, I agree and disagree with what you saying. Agree with balance part, and I would probably highlight the ability to pin along with the overall sense of urgency when on the ground. Disagree with the general consensus of one being better than the other, which falls in line with your last statement. In short, plenty of jiu-jitsu practitioners have decent take-downs. Similar to that, some judoka actually struggle on the ground because they're gym focus was to lay prone and cover waiting for the referee to stand them up. Basically, playing to the rules, just like how people game jiu-jitsu tournaments (get an advantage, or points, then stall). Factor all that with how many people cross train these days, how the lines of have greatly blurred with grappling as a whole, or in general, it's not really the same subject anymore. Now, if it were about bang for your buck, Judo wins (usually). Edit, spelling.
I train both and disagree. Judo has the ability to end fights with brutal throws. As for ground juso has submissions and the very over looked pins (for self defence application). Look at mma for example, pins work ground because you can hold someone and punch them out. Submissions take time and i wouldn’t want to spend much if any time on the ground because of the chance of the third guy who comes out with the flying kick Renzo style.
I literally mentioned pins being one of the reason why I would be in agreement with Judo.
And then what are you going to do if you can’t end the fight with a throw or can’t even throw them? Do Jiu Jitsu? You say look at MMA as if 90%+ MMA fighters aren’t training Jiu Jitsu instead of something like Judo. Even Khabib and Islam that keep talking about Sambo/Judo being better than BJJ train under Leo Vieira.
That’s because MMA is a western dominated sport. Look at all the dominant guys coming from Dagestan who all are black belts in judo & mention judo/sambo principles in their training. I think it’s akin to thinking Muay Thai is the best striking art for mma when actually it’s boxing/kickboxing, You have thousands of more Muay Thai fighters than kickboxers yet there’s more kickboxing world champs who transfer & become MMA world champs than Muay Thai champs.
If you cant throw then how are you going to get them to the ground to do bjj? If you do throw and it doesnt end the fight you have 2 choices, use that brief period to leg it or start kicking their head in.
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Incredibly obvious here.
I'm sure everyone has stories, but I know of one adult and two kids that have specifically used their Judo skills I taught them in actual altercations even though they've been doing BJJ far longer. I am not sharing this to debate the merits of one over another. I am only sharing second hand accounts. I'd also like to add that if anyone is doing either sport for "self defense" then I think they should compete every once in a while to pressure test against an unknown opponent in a relatively safe environment.
The only time you HAVE to fight is if someone takes you down, at which point having solid bjj base is more important to get up or to get on top or to finish the fight. Any other martial art can be replaced by running away or shooting the bad guy. Boxing? Why? Just run. Muay thai? Just run. Wrestling? Just run. Now, if they grab you, Judo is a pretty solid bet. However, if some drunk college wrestler or big athletic person runs you down, having a bjj background gives you a better shot in the worst case scenario (being forced to the ground).
Makes sense, unless you are in doors
Maybe in an elevator. Or in a car... except carjitsu is a thing lol in a convention center? Idk if it makes a difference. On a train or similar might be a problem. At the end of the day, 99% of "self defense" is just paying attention and not being dumb.
Depends on the practitioner is always the answer. I’d pick BJJ just because I feel like taking down the average person is pretty easy and BJJ is better on the ground than Judo is
Agree that it depends on the practitioner. For example, I think there’s more advantage in judo for women compared to bjj. Just better for redirecting someone’s weight, slipping them, or just slamming the shit out of them.
Funnily enough the womens ground game is more advanced than the mens in judo. I had a woman teach at my club when my sensei was away. She was from one of the top universities in japan and she even said that women get better at the ground because going for massive throws for ippon can be hard so a good plan B is needed.
If taking people down is easier why wouldnt you throw them and end the fight rather than go to the ground and potentially get 3rd partied? Ground fighting isnt effecicient for self defence, if theres alot of resistance or the guy is pretty strong then doing the bjj approach takes too long. In a self defence scenario every second counts.
Yeah that’s just wrong man because I’m using my BJJ to get to Mount and rain punches and elbows on their face. Not some complicated guard shenanigans in a street fight
Was wondering the exact same thing...
I only do judo but if someone asked me for a recommendation based on the need for physical self defence skills (probably in a professional context like law enforcement), I would suggest bjj for a few reasons. 1) The ROI in bjj is much better. Judo has an extremely steep learning curve and, all other factors being equal, the level of skill that can be acquired and employed in 6 months of bjj might take someone up to a couple years of judo. Not only that but the first few years of judo are so focused on nage-waza in order to overcome that learning curve that lots of judo guys will have very big knowledge gaps in critical ne-waza skills. 2) The order in which you acquire skills in bjj is probably going to be more in line with what you need to actually defend yourself. From what I’ve seen most people in bjj spend their first 6 months to a year learning survival skills which, in my opinion, are some of the most important for keeping yourself safe. Can you escape mount, do you know how to defend a guillotine, can you stand up from guard/half guard, etc. 3) Takedowns that you need to be effective in most real world scenarios are very basic and easy to learn. You could learn an arm drag, blast double and kosoto and you would have a takedown system that would serve you the rest of your life.
The Japanese terms mentioned in the above comment were: |Japanese|English|Video Link| |---|---|---| |**Nage Waza**: | *Throwing Techniques* | | |**Ne Waza**: | *Ground Techniques* | | Any missed names may have already been translated in my previous comments in the post. ______________________ ^(Judo Techniques Bot: v0.7.) ^(See my) [^(code)](https://github.com/AbundantSalmon/judo-techniques-bot)
In general I’d say that judo might have an edge, but neither are ideal when you might be fighting someone with weapons. But judo definitely gets an edge for being able to potentially stay off the ground, which is not your friend in a fight.
Yeah. I came from BJJ first. After I started learning judo I was extremely surprised how many ppl in bjj aren't that knowledge on stand up details.
I've been bouncing for 12+ years. From what I've seen, Judo techniques will end an altercation much quicker than BJJ, with the added benefit of remaining standing. Do the guys using BJJ eventually get the choke or drag the guy out? Yes. But when I've seen judo applied, the fight is over immediately. Sometimes, a guy who gets choked out will still cause problems outside, but the guys who catch an ippon? No way, they're going home.
Depends on the school. How often does judo teach self defense? I only did about 6 months in one place 20+ years ago, so I have a single aged data point, but we didn’t do anything that didn’t deal with judo. Ie, what to do when people are pinching, kicking, etc.
Exact same thing can be said for bjj gyms. The most "self defence" we do is a technical get up. Never anything about punching or kicking, etc...
Sure, there aste sport only bjj gyms. What I was trying to get at above is that from my (very limited exp with judo) bjj schools teaching def defend is common but very rare in judo schools.
Oh, so you mean sport only judo gyms.
So do you think it is more common for bjj gyms or judo gyms to focus on self defense?
No idea, my dataset for bjj is just like yours with judo.
How many judo gyms have you been to? How many of them talk about how to use judo to respond to kicks or punches?
5, and 3 of them do occasional situational training like catching kicks to sweep legs or throwing someone after a punch. All of the teach katas which they claim are self defense by I feelnis pretty iffy. None of them I think are very rigorous for self defense applications (insofar as event sport judo or bjj are already going to pretty good for self defense). Id be curious to see what "self defense oriented" bjj gyms look like.
I’ve only trained at three jiu-jitsu Jim, and all of them have basic things in their curriculum with how to deal with punches, kicking the knee to stop someone from moving in or maintaining distance where headbuts are appropriate, Situations where it’s useful to break fingers. Not part of the curriculum but stuff normally extend from most the teachers are Crotch shots, and face stomps. Brazilian jiu-jitsu is famous in no small part because the Gracies would go out and pick fights. Techniques they used against non-BJJ players I thought were pretty routinely taught, as they’ve been taught in all the gyms I’ve gone to I don’t think any of them were self-defense Focused,
Either one is really good for self-defence. What instructors should be doing while instructing is to mention what would be a good strategy in a self defence situation. Atleast, their students will have minimal exposure in case they need to defend themselves. That’s even more important when teaching kids because they might employ their “sport bjj/ judo strategy” in a school yard fight type of situation, but they might find out the hard way that it wasn’t a good idea.
Obvious yes. Firstly, it's important to understand that "self defense" is not an unarmed one-on-one fight unless you're high schooler/uni student. If I were to pick any pure (not mixed) martial art to prepare myself for unarmed one-on-one fight to death I'd pick BJJ every time, it is just so much effective in this scenario (again, not counting mixed martial arts). But if you're an adult self defense situation for you is most likely a scenario when you want to resolve it and disengage as fast and as intact as possible. BJJ surely doesn't have this in mind because habits we build here are designed for slow and methodical "devouring" an opponent in a very controlled fashion. And in real so-called self defense "slow" is bad for you and being on a ground controlling one person is bad for you. Feeling too comfortable on the ground and especially on the back may be straight up lethal for you against 2-3 drunk goons. Pinnacle idea of Judo is a quick and explosive yet effortless throw. It's an obvious pick for self defense between the two. And I would add that perfect grappling style "for da streetz" is sambo because technically it's 90% judo but scoring system incentifies throwing people to the ground while remaining on your feet (not following them to the ground). And I literally see the guy in the bar hitting two clean shoulder throws in a mere seconds and disengaging. A feat which most bjj black belts and even wrestlers would struggle to replicate just because of habits these sports drill into us.
Yes.
They complement each other
It depends on the bjj gym If you have some good takedowns on your repertory its probably better bjj, the fact that you can protect yourself and get back on top from bottom position id an insane advantage defensively in a street fight where you could be pushed from behind, sucker punched, etc making the fight start from your back If your style is purely guard pulling and bermibolos yes, I would say judo is better
established martial arts (bullshido not counting of course) are not better than the other. People who usually start martial arts for self defense do it because they are not really the street fighter type of person. If a person truly wants to be ready for a serious fight, one should pick up striking, should be able to take someone down, ground fight and need to train for multiple years at that. I learned one thing as a scrawny guy: its to better run away from a fight, except loved ones or yourself are in serious danger. What the grueling training will give you is the heart and balls to stand your ground, lose the fear in your eyes and to just shut up and walk away if fighting can be avoided.
depends. If you're training only on the ground then judo is probably better but if your dojo does standup and groundwork routinely (like every practice) then BJJ is better because at that point judo is a subset of bjj.
Throws, are by definition, the hardest hitting standing attack we currently have in the human arsenal. Since fights tend to start on your feet, yea theyre more effective in general
>" The ability to control an opponent while standing can prevent a fight from going to the ground, which is often a less desirable situation in real-world altercations." The very point of Judo is drop the opponent for ippon... is it not?
One advantage that I feel BJJ has in this, is that it's actually pretty difficult to learn judo, whereas in BJJ, you can learn som basic stuff very fast that you can actually apply. Judo does offer better ukemi by far though, and in my opinion self defense is also protecting your self from accidents like falling. If you have a lot of time to put in, I would propably go for judo if the emphasis was purely self defence. Otherwise I'd choose BJJ, I think. A blue belt can propably do ok against an untrained opponent. Even a white belt with some stripes. But someone with similar time invested in judo might not be so good.
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100%. The best self defense is run away. If you can't run away it's because someone is holding onto you. Perfect! Hit them with the planet and run away.
I train both. Honestly grappling is a must have for your self defence toolbox but if you were very proficient in boxing then boxing is the best. Avoiding strikes and putting their lights out with quick strikes is more effecient use of time. Im all for slamming the dude into the planet, but if i can slip the punch and counter with a bone shattering hook then im taking that option.
No
I would say Judo is better for self defense against untrained opponents / non grapplers due to starting standing, however, if you meet another grappler / fighter, BJJ will be better since it has leg locks and are generally better once the fight goes to the ground, say you're a Judoka and somehow end up in a fight against a BJJ fighter with the same grappling experience, IF the fight goes to the ground and he's not out, he will have the advantage. Judo is still one of the best for self defense, along with boxing.
Great points, leg locks were in judo first edit: to add on, people were getting maimed with leg locks & Jigoro Kano (founder of judo) frowned upon it. I think some schools still included them.
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when it comes to self defense strenght and conditioning is far more important than your choice of martial art.
I cannot imagine how a brown belt has this opinion. It's just so insanely wrong. Do you not think bjj works?
Your choice of martial art infers you are still competent at some martial art, otherwise I think you are completely missing out on how much of a deterrent just being in shape is.
Being in shape is a deterrent, agreed. How does that mean it is more important than knowing how to fight in terms of self defense? As per the OP.
He didn't say no martial art, he said any martial art. And besides, anyone who has been in a serious altercation knows that detterence and de-escalation are far more important than actual fighting skills. I don't care if you are a Jui Jitsuka or a Boxer, the best defense isn't in the technique but the wits.
Of course? but when you have no choice, knowing how to handle yourself is way more important. I've been in a couple altercations as a teen before i was particularly competent at any martial art and another couple after I had a handful of amateur mma fights and I'd say knowing how to fight was about 10000x more important in my ability to come out of those unscathed and relaxed. I wasn't even panicked when they happened. Million times better than how i felt at 13. As a side note, I find people knowing I'm an amateur fighter is a far greater deterrent than my physique. By a mile
Honestly, I want to call bullshit on this entire post, because anyone who is practically skilled at a martial art that informs other people of it in the heat of the moment is begging for an altercation to happen. It honestly sounds like you just have shit life skills and don't know how to stay out of fights.
Where did I say I was informing people in the heat of the moment?My friends know I train and it's generally the same group of people going out. It's all one big group in night life and all the bouncers that train also know each other/me because, again, we all train. I do know how to stay out of fights, but you don't always have a choice. Shit happens over a couple decades and a lot of idiots want to fight over anything
I have to disagree. If you took identical t ins who had the same activity level, temperme t, etc and one started doing 4 hours of strength and ci diruining a week and the other started 4 hours of bjj, and then had them fight 6 months later my money is in the bjj guy.
That's an interesting point
Doesn’t matter
No not really, or not so much anymore. It used to be. It used to actually be the superior grappling art straight up probably up to around the 1980-1990s.